Rachel Pfotenhauer

Summary

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The Journey On Podcast with Warwick Schiller

Episode: Rachel Pfotenhauer
Date: December 19, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this transformative episode, Warwick Schiller sits down with Rachel Pfotenhauer: licensed professional counselor, energy healer, channel for Earth and Sun, and former documentary photographer. Together, they explore the intersections of trauma, healing, embodiment, and the wisdom of the natural world—and how following synchronicities and embracing unconventional paths can lead to profound personal transformation. Rachel’s compelling journey from a strictly religious upbringing through war zones and shamanic experiences to deep Earth-channeling work offers listeners a rich tapestry of stories, insights, and practical wisdom.

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Key Themes & Insights

1. Identity, Trauma, and Embodiment

• Rachel’s Core Work
  Rachel combines counseling, energy healing, and “channeling Earth and Sun” to help people find coherence in their bodies, release density/trauma, and reconnect with their deeper selves.
  • She works both individually and in groups, using somatic and energetic practices.
  • Her approach helps unravel not just trauma, but also engrained societal conditioning.

“It’s called identity shifting... I was born with the DNA of thousands of years of oppression and we're born into what’s called the good girl trap…”
—Rachel Pfotenhauer (05:18)

• Unraveling Cultural Conditioning
  Warwick and Rachel discuss how much of what needs to be healed is simply “the way the world says you’re supposed to do things”—not always classic trauma, but also the unconscious, inherited behaviors that keep people out of true connection and embodiment.

2. Channeling Earth & Sun: Healing Through Connection

• What She Sees and Hears
  Rachel describes being clairaudient (hearing voices), and being able to see auras and energy from a young age.
  • As a child she didn’t realize others couldn’t see energy, mistaking mystical experiences for ordinary reality.
  • Her eventual acceptance and understanding of these abilities was gradual, supported by mentors and teachers on her path.

“I didn’t know that people couldn’t see energy everywhere.”
—Rachel Pfotenhauer (14:05)

• Healing Density
  Rachel’s practice involves releasing “density”—the psychic and somatic residue of fear and trauma—through connection to the Earth and Sun.

“When we bring in Earth’s energy...it releases density, and density is stuck fear and trauma in the physical energetic bodies and in the soul.”
—Rachel Pfotenhauer (35:23)

• Comparing Traditional Approaches
  She contrasts Earth medicine (soul-first healing) with Western (body) and Eastern (energetic system) medicine, advocating for working on trauma first through the soul:
  • “Earth medicine looks at your soul first. Because what Earth informs me is that the soul can carry our trauma from lifetimes.” (38:14)

3. Mystic Experiences & Synchronicity

• Rachel shares multiple stories of mystical encounters, guidance, and even a near-death experience, each integrating into her life’s purpose.

“There’s been many times when I’ve wanted to walk away from it because it’s challenging...as you go deeper you’re going into the shadowlands, beyond what might be considered normal or sanity.”
—Rachel Pfotenhauer (29:09)

• Near-Death Experience:
  • Her own brush with death during a severe infection in Mexico led to an even deeper sense of agency, new insights about healing, and a renewed relationship with her body and spirit (102:36–110:28).

4. Work with Indigenous Cultures and Trauma Survivors

• Rachel details time spent with the Navajo/Diné people as a counselor, learning from their ceremonies, humor, and trauma resilience.
• She underscores the complexity of working cross-culturally and the value of humility and openness to being corrected.

“Thank god there were two families that pulled me aside and said, ‘Can you come down and spend some time with us? We want you to do ceremony with us so you’ll understand us better.’”
—Rachel Pfotenhauer (97:52)

• She also describes her time documenting child labor in India and Cambodia, witnessing the aftermath of genocide and the resilience (and trauma) of those communities.

5. Bifurcation & The New Earth

• Rachel channels that humanity is currently in a “bifurcation,” an era of split energies requiring conscious connection to Earth and Sun for stability and harmony.
  • Those who consciously engage with these energies find embodied peace and resilience as global energies accelerate and intensify.
  • Indigenous perspectives echo and reinforce this relational, reciprocal worldview.

6. Books & Resources

• Rachel recommends two powerful books:
  • Her own channeled work:
    The Words Beneath Our Feet (soon available on Kindle and paperback)
    “It talks about everything we’ve talked about here...how to be in connection with Earth... It gives meditations, explains why cyber reality is not good for us, how you benefit... talks about how to talk to children, covers a number of things...” (112:17)
  • Unbound by Kasia Urbaniak
    “It’s a book I highly recommend for women who have a hard time finding their voice and feeling the power behind it.” (113:59–114:00)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I have been blessed in that I have found excellent senseis, excellent teachers. Or, well, they found me...through either synchronicity...or through this embodiment of longing, of being pulled there.”
  —Rachel Pfotenhauer (29:09)

• “It’s felt very much like the universe put its finger on me.”
  —Rachel Pfotenhauer (30:54)

• “When you connect into Earth’s energy...it brings you clarity about priorities in your life. It brings you security...and community. I’ve never known anyone that’s connected deeply to Earth who feels alone.”
  —Rachel Pfotenhauer (32:47)

• “We need the energy of Earth and Sun to help us acclimate and elevate with the energy that is elevating now.”
  —Rachel Pfotenhauer (32:44)

• “I want the veil to drop for about five seconds for everyone so you could see the truth behind so much.”
  —Rachel Pfotenhauer (110:28)

• “You could connect to Earth in a prison cell. You don’t need to be outside. Anyone can connect to Earth.”
  —Rachel Pfotenhauer (41:36)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |:---------:|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:44 | Warwick introduces Rachel and her unique combination of clinical and spiritual work | | 03:47 | Rachel explains her approach: somatic therapy merging Earth/Sun energy | | 05:18 | Discussion of identity shifting and the "good girl trap" | | 09:00 | Rachel’s strict Lutheran upbringing, early mystical experiences, hiding her abilities | | 14:07 | What does “seeing energy” look like?—Rachel describes her childhood perception | | 23:07 | Karate as a martial and spiritual practice; how synchronicity guided her path | | 31:50 | Rachel’s understanding of her life’s true purpose | | 36:30 | Density, trauma, and the metaphor of ice-water-steam: becoming “lighter” | | 43:14 | Mystical ‘jump time’: channeling Earth, soul’s journey, and writing her book | | 51:38 | The concept of ‘bifurcation’—splitting energy, New Earth, implications for collective healing | | 59:51 | Transition to Rachel’s work as a photographer—documenting child labor, genocide | | 65:08 | Working as a therapist with the Diné (Navajo) people; integrating energy healing with Indigenous trauma | | 86:07 | Decompression and “re-entry” after witnessing trauma abroad | | 100:17 | On failure: losing all her savings and the transformation it precipitated | | 102:36 | Near-death experience in Mexico, the wisdom received from her parents “on the other side” | | 112:09 | Book recommendations | | 117:07 | How to find Rachel and her offerings |

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How to Find Rachel & Her Offerings

• Website: vast-earth.com
  • Individual and group embodiment work, retreats, energy channeling
• Natural Perfumes & Serums: sunrayaperfumes.com
  • Botanical products intentionally imbued with Earth and Sun energies

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Rachel’s Story: A Quick Journey

• Early Life: Raised in a family with 14 generations of Lutheran ministers; hid mystical experiences as a child.
• Martial Arts & Meditation: Karate, Buddhist chanting, and early energy experiences shaped her mystical development.
• Photojournalism: Documented child labor and genocide (India, Cambodia), which deeply influenced her transition to service and trauma healing.
• Therapy & Healing Work: Became a counselor, integrating somatic methods with channeling and energetic healing, especially for transgenerational trauma.
• Mystic, Channel, Healer: Now works as a channel for Earth and Sun, offering sessions, retreats, and empowering others to connect directly with healing energies.

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Listener Takeaways

• Deep, reciprocal relationship with Earth is not just spiritual comfort; it’s a living, healing path toward embodiment, resilience, and coherence—especially essential in turbulent times.
• Healing is more than fixing trauma; it’s undoing layers of conditioning and density, returning to the “original state.”
• Synchronicities, mystical encounters, and even failures can be deep initiations, revealing new purposes and directions.
• The wisdom and practices of indigenous cultures and nature connection are not remote or exotic—they’re available to all who listen and open.

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For full details, energetic stories, and Rachel’s beautiful perspective, listen to the episode directly.

Transcript

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Journey on Magic lies within the trails we ride.

[Warwick Schiller (Intro/Outro)]

You're listening to the Journey On Podcast with Warwick Schiller. Warrick is a horseman trainer, international clinician and author who helps empower horse people from all over the world with the skills, knowledge and mindsets needed to create trusting partnerships with their horses. Warrick offers a free seven day trial to his comprehensive online video library that includes hundreds of full length training videos and several home Study [e-mail].

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

G' day everyone. Welcome back to the Journey On Podcast. I'm your host, Warwick Schiller. And you know, if you've been a longtime listener, you know that my life's a little odd and every once in a while I'll end up in a situation I never dreamed I'd end up in. And recently I was in one of those situations. If you think back to the podcast we did with filmmaker Sean Fee, he's doing a documentary called Rekindle about, I guess, me and guests of the podcast. So, you know, Emily K's daughter appears in that. Jessica White Plume, Jordana Anawalt, and Dr. Steve Peters is also going to be in that too. And so you know, my, like I said, my life has some interesting turns and I find myself at a fundraiser recently for this documentary where I've got to get up, stand up in front of a group of people and tell them all about the movie and see if they're interested in donating to the, to the cause to get this documentary filmed and out there to the public. So we actually have a 501C3, which is a nonprofit, the Journey on foundation, that we've started to one of the things it's gonna do is help with this film and it's gonna have some other philanthropic arms to it as well. But my guest this week, I met her recently at this fundraiser and within five minutes, I think within five minutes of talking to her, I said, would you like to be on my podcast? So my guest this week, her name's Rachel Fotenhauer and Rachel is a licensed professional counselor of 20 years. But she's, she's also an energy healer and she says a channel for the earth and sun. And so she's got the grounded, educated background, but she's also got that, that other side to her as well. And so I thought she'd be great to have on the podcast. And my guess was not wrong. Her story is amazing and we end up in all sorts of different places. So I hope you guys enjoy my chat with Rachel as much as I enjoyed doing it. Rachel Fertenhauer, welcome to the Journey on podcast.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

This is going to be fun. I think you might be the first person I'm having on the podcast who knew everybody's favorite astrologer from the podcast, Denise Elizabeth Byron, before she was actually on the podcast. I mean, a lot of people have heard of her since, but you and her are OG Santa Cruz people.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Yeah, we go back a bit. We do. She's helped me quite a bit.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

She's helped me quite a bit, too. So why don't you, we start out, tell us what you do, because I'm not sure if you know this, but the podcast is all about, you know, interviewing people who have a different perspective on the world than a lot of people do and then figuring out how did you get that perspective. So what exactly do you do these days?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

So I am a licensed professional counselor, and I'm also a channel of earth and sun. And I use those energies in working with people on a deep somatic level, in helping them get to a place of coherence in their body, in their nervous system, and using the earth sun energies and also the embodiment of divine, masculine and feminine, and getting their bodies back to a state prior to all the trauma or just the life experiences. It gets them back to their original state before the density occurred and sometimes even clearing density that was with them when they were born.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

You know what I love?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

That makes sense.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Yeah. You know what I love what you said right then is you said, you know, about unraveling trauma or life experiences because a lot of. A lot of, like the cultural conditioning we get is not trauma. It's just like. It's just the way the world says you're supposed to do things. But that's part of the. It's part of the unraveling is unraveling that, isn't it?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Oh, completely. The stuff we experience in relationships, right? The identity. So a big part of this is. It's called identity shifting. Have you ever heard of that?

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

No, I'm writing it down.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

So it's a term that I had channeled that's relatively new for me. I know it's out there, but in this work, as you move into nervous system coherence, but also more deep embodiment coherence, including the spiritual, the mental, the emotional, the physical. What starts to happen at different levels this can happen is identity shifting. So, for example, for women, we're born basically with the DNA of, you know, thousands of years of oppression and we're born into what's called the good girl trap. And it's basically where we're doing these things without even thinking that can keep us small, right? That we don't say what we really want to say. We're walking down the street, we step off the sidewalk so the person can pass. All these things that we do, that's just innate. Right. And that's a type of identity or if you grow up in a family where certain things are role modeled for you. Right. That keep you silent, that keep you passive, that or that keep you aggressive. Right. So there's these identities that become a part of our structure that's in the nervous system that as you. The structure then crumbles with this work as you move into coherence because it puts you into balance and a new identity forms, doesn't mean your personality changes. It just means those things that kept you out of connection, that kept you out of embodiment, that kept you out of balance come into form. And it, and it can be, you know, depending on the level where one person's at, it can be quite profound.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

I imagine. So yeah. Finding out who you are under all those layers of stuff.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Yeah, yeah. I mean it could take a while certainly. And earth and sun's energy has a lot to do with that. Removing of the old structure and bringing in the new. So when I work with people, the whole co regulation is a big part of it and the resonance that I carry is a part of it because it helps to put them into a state of resonance so this can happen. And so that's what I'm doing currently, both individually and in groups.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

So tell me about this. Well, actually you know what, let's go back to the beginning because, because now we find out, okay, Were you born into a family of hippies or did this, you know, this path appeared before you? One of the questions that you had chosen for me to ask you is what did you want to be as a child? So let's start at the child.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

So as a little kid. So I'm the youngest of seven and born. My family is 14 generations of Lutheran ministers. All my uncles were ministers, all my aunts were married to ministers. My grandfather, my great grandfather, my great great grandfather were all Lutheran ministers, presidents of the Missouri Synod. So that was my structure growing up.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Okay, can I ask a question?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Uh huh.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

How many of those are alive today?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Of not my. I have one aunt left.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

I was just going to ask you, what do the Lutheran ministers think of channeling earth and sun?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

They I had one uncle. Well, I think that my father channeled, he just would never call it well.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

That's the thing, isn't it? You know what I mean? Like, you know, I grew up Catholic and I grew up in a rural part of Australia. And when you want to, if you want to, what we would call drill a bore, B O R e, you in America would call it a well. In Australia, if you said a well, you would think a hole in the ground stacked with bricks around the side, that it's got a little winch on it and you wind the water bucket up and down. But anyway, when you dig a well, as Americans would say, you get a water diviner to come out. So he carries two brass rods and they walk around till the rods cross. Well, our local water diviner was the Catholic priest.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Wow.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

But they don't, they don't. At least in my experience, they don't. They don't ever reference or talk about those sorts of energies out there. It's all Bible y stuff. But the local priest is the water divine. You know what I mean? It's like you said, your father, you think your father was a channel. He wouldn't call it that.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

No, he would never call me that. And they, you know, they said they loved me unconditionally and when I really stepped into this work, they didn't understand it, but they were open minded.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Oh, that's cool.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

But growing up, I would never say what I was going through, ever.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Ah, so that's the bit I want to get to. So you were going through it then?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Yeah, I was going through it then and I would hear voices really loudly. I remember one time being in my closet and just covering my ears and dropping to the ground going, stop, it's too loud, it's too loud. And. And feeling this deep connection to earth as so many children do, and having these conversations with her where I could hear her and other beings which I assume were guides or angels or I'm not, you know, that's what I would call them now. So I was highly empathic. I was what we call clairaudient. And so I would go outside and spend time outside because that's what would ground me. And while I was outside, I would play and make formulations and so. And I would spend a lot of time with the plants and that really grounded me. And currently I've come into this place of not just wanting to do healing work directly, I wanted something else. And I was feeling like, okay, what did I do as a child that I loved and I went back to formulation. So now I started this other business, Sunraya, which is natural perfumes and serums, in which I plant the seeds, put the crystals around the seeds, and as I'm harvesting the plants, I'll chant something. I'll say, like, we are all love. Everything is love. And so all these products are imbued with the energies of earth and sun and love. And so that's, you know, that I took from my childhood, and that's in my life now. But as a child, I would see energy everywhere, and I would hear these voices. And I had a babysitter at the time who had schizophrenia, and she would speak about these things at times that I would understand and see. But they treated her quite differently. Everyone did, right, because everyone knew she had schizophrenia. And I knew I was not like her that way. But I also, you know, as a young child, knew that this was not anything that would be accepted. And I also believe that everyone saw. I didn't know that people didn't see energy everywhere.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

I was going to ask you about. I was going to. What was the last thing you just said? You said, I didn't.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

I didn't know that people couldn't see energy everywhere.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

That's what I was going to say. So, I mean, to go. You said something about, you know, as a child, I could see energy. And I was going to ask for those of us whose Claire's are not as obvious to us, what does it look like to see energy?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

It looks like for me, and, you know, I think it's different for everyone. Some people see color more. I would see. It would look like a halo around everyone's bodies that would fluctuate. And so sometimes it would, you know, extend farther out, and sometimes it would be quite close to the body. And also, if someone's, let's say they were standing next to a wall and they walk around, walk away, I would see the outline of their form for a very long time. And so that's what it looked like. And it wasn't honestly, up until my teens that I realized not everyone saw this. I was talking with my friends. I say, don't. Can you see this? And they said, no, what are you talking about? And I just, you know, I shut it down right then. And as I got older, I mean, I started training in karate when I was 12 and did that for 10 years. And during that time, I did a lot of meditation. And When I was 14, my sensei took me aside with four other people and said, you're at this point where you can learn this. And he would give up, he gave us these chants basically that were, you know, I think they were, they were mystic Buddhist chants. And I would go home and do them. And there was this one, I remember you would need to say it a hundred times. So I sat in my chair and I started it and I fell asleep and I woke up and I said, okay, I'm going to bed, turn off the light. And I get in my bed and I see this massive form near the doorway. And I got really scared, I was frightened. And so I pulled the sheets up over my head and I'm peeking out of the sheets and it starts lumbering towards me. And then it's standing next to me and it looks like a massive samurai. And as it's coming towards me, I had two thoughts running through me. One of just being very frightened and wondering if this, what this was. And then the other was thought was just because you don't know what it is doesn't mean it's bad. So this is like a 14 year old mind. So it stands next to me for about five minutes, which is a really long time when you're frightened and it just stood there, but it was so empowering and. And then it stepped back and faded and these kind of experiences would happen and I couldn't make any sense of them. But at the same time I didn't feel mentally ill, it felt mystical and I could talk to my sensei about.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

I was going to ask, but things.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Things like that would occur in my life and I really didn't have a lot of direction until I would come across certain teachers that I would train with that I could start to understand these kind of experiences. But in my family, I remember bringing up, I think palm reading in astrology. My mother said, you don't believe in that silly crap, do you? And I said, well, yeah, kinda. And she said, that's just crap and walked away. And so it wasn't. Although very loving, it was a closed structure, right? And so I kept most of this silent until I met a woman. And I had, I mean I had so many experiences where it saved my life because of these energies that were around me. And they would direct me on things to do that would get me out of these situations. And the energy around me was either deep compassion or electric. And I can go into those if you want. But when. It wasn't until my late 30s, when I was in graduate school that I was in a gas station with a friend and she pulled out back then they would have Those brochure stands and pulled out a brochure and said to me, we should go see this woman. It was a psychic for our graduation present to ourselves. And she gave the brochure to me. And it was this photograph of this woman. And I just kind of pulled back my head, and I had this feeling like, there's something to this. And so I could not get her out of my mind for six months. And I called up my friend, I said, you wouldn't have to happen to have that brochure. And she said, yeah, and gave me the number. And I made an appointment, walked in, and the woman says to me, we've been waiting for you for about six months.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

I knew that's what the next words out of your mouth were going to be.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

And I looked at her, and I'm looking around the room, and I said, who's we? Because it was just her. And I. Right. And then she just blew my mind. You know, she just said things to me that no one else could say. And what it did was there was an experience I had when I was nine years old about. And I was up at ucsc, and my brother was working at the Whole Earth restaurant up there. My mom and I went up to visit him. And I remember being on this bench and staring at the redwoods and the sunlight coming through, and there were these chimes blowing in the wind. And then I was gone. Like, I was out in white light. And I could sense these beings is the best way I could. Just like these white beings. And they were speaking to me, and it's like they planted a seed. And when I walked into that woman's. My mentor's office that day, it. It ignited those seeds within me. It did something to me that had always been there, that was latent. And at that point, it just. Yeah, woke something up in me that I could not walk away from.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

So this whole line of questioning, he started out with, what did you want to be as a child? I don't think you've told me that yet, have you?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Well, as a child, I think I wanted to be a perfumer.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Okay, so tell me about the. The. What led you to karate?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

What led me to karate was I had a brother that was violent. He was mentally ill. Is. And he was violent. And I remember being in junior high, and that's when Bruce Lee was all big, right? And I saw this kid. Classmate that was pretending like he was Bruce Lee. And I remember thinking, I need to learn that. And then, ironically, I come home and my brother says to Me. Do you want to learn karate with me? And I said, yeah. And we went that night. And it just. That also hooked me. And I trained for 10 years.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Where did you grow up?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Santa Cruz.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Okay. You're born and bred Santa Cruz. Okay. So at some point in time, did the. Correct. Where did the. I know. It probably. It would have done. At what point in time didn't the karate stop being a martial art?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

That's a good question. With the meditation, when it stopped being a martial art. Is that what you said?

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Yeah. Like you were still doing it, but.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Right.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Oh, karate's not the point here.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Right.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

You know what I mean? Because I imagine it would have happened, right?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

It was with. At the end, I had a great sensei, and at the end of each class, we would sit and meditate and he would talk about energy, and I would feel this energy. And then he gave me these chants that brought. Opened me up, and I started feeling more and more deeply in my body, the energy. And then there was this experience I.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Had.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Where I was. I had moved out of the home and I was living with a friend at a friend's house, and it was the middle of the night. And this is when I was trained. I used to compete. And I was training daily, and nationals were coming up and I was training all the time. And I'm sleeping on my belly and I hear. I'm going to try to put this story in a nutshell because it's a long story. I hear this voice so loudly, with urgency that said, rachel, wake up and turn around. And it woke me up. And I turned around. There was a man standing next to the bed. And the whole room, the energy just condensed and got electric. And I felt this. Oh, this reminds me of meditation. And I felt so protected. I wasn't scared. And I looked up the man, and all I could feel was compassion.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Is this like the samurai or is this like a real man?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

No, this is a real man.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Oh, shit.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Okay, so now this is a real man. And I looked around and he said, I'm getting in your bed. And I said, no, you're not. You're going to leave. And he walks around my bed and tries to take the covers off. And I said, you need to get out of here right now. And he said, I'm not leaving. And so we do this banter, and the whole time I'm very calm. And I don't think he expected any of that. And so he ends up leaving. But I knew he was just pretending because next to my room was a Long hallway. And I could feel that he was in that hallway. So he walks back in my room and I said, if you don't leave, I'm calling the police. And then he left. And then the energy shifted into what it would be like without it. Just, I could feel it leave. And then I got really angry and I went out looking for him at three in the morning with my T shirt and underwear on. I was so angry. And, you know, at one point I said, this is insane. Get back to the house. But it put me into this place of this connection that I had felt during training that you're right, it had nothing to do with the actual skill of karate in the sense of the physicality of it, but everything to do with that energy and that interconnectedness. So that open things up for me where it just got me to pay more attention to it. And at the same time, you know, I'm in my late teens and my early 20s and I start, you know, I'm at. I'm at college, I'm out partying. I'm not really thinking about the spiritual part of my life. I don't really have a language for it. That didn't happen till later in life. But throughout my life I've had these experiences where that energy would come in and surround me and give me guidance and protection and where if it wasn't there, I'm not sure, you know, what would happen to me.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Have you ever given much thought to the fact that at a very young age you kind of had these senses is one of them was Claire Audience but then you see some kid playing Bruce Lee at school, then you go home, then your brother says you want to go to karate. And not only do you go karate, you happen to go to a karate class where after the class the sensei has you meditate and then ends up giving a chance. And like, you could have been to, you know, you could have been to the guy in the bad. Not. Not the good guy, the bad guy in Karate Kid. You know, you could have been to some meatheads dojo, but you don't go to some meatheads dojo. You go to this place where this guy talks about energies and you know what I mean? Have you ever given much thought to your path? You know, like the things that happen, like those sorts of things that happen, that if they'd. It had been different, the things would have been different.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Oh, yeah, I have definitely given a lot of thought to that because I feel like I've been blessed in that I have Found excellent senseis, excellent teachers.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

And, well, they found you.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

I found them through either synchronicity, like with my brother, or through this embodiment of longing, of, like, being pulled there, like with my mentor later in life, of just, oh, I can't. I can't walk away from this feeling I have about this person. And it's. I feel like it's pulled me to the direction where I am now, which is more my soul's purpose in this place of coherence and resonance that has taken me a long time to get to and a lot of study to get to, and it's just beginning to unfold, but it. It's been this lifetime of kind of a domino effect, right. And there's been many times when I've wanted to walk away from it because it's challenging, Right. I mean, I'm sure you've experienced, and people on this podcast have experienced this path sometimes as being challenging, not so much in a negative way, but in an arduous way of going deeper and deeper. Because as you go deeper, you're going into the shadowlands, right? You're going into the place beyond the boundaries of what might be considered normal or sanity, and that can be challenging. And so even though there'd be times when I would want to walk away from the work, something would happen that would bring me back. That was just, you know, again, the synchronicity. So it's felt very much like the universe put its finger on me. I mean, do you feel that way with your training? You've told me a little bit of your. Some of your history. Remarkable history. Right? Synchronicity.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Yeah. Yeah. You. Yeah. You understand. You kind of. I don't know, you get to understand, oh, yeah, I have a purpose here. You don't buy too much into it, but, yeah, you are. You chose all these questions before, and while we're here, we might as well ask one of them. What do you feel like your true purpose in the world is?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

I feel like my true purpose is to bring attention to the need that we need to be in connection with Earth and. And sun, because the two of them create harmony. And so it awakens our soul and our bodies up to our soul in a significant way. And so, I mean, clearly, we need Earth for our livelihood, right? But we also need her energy. As we move into this place that we are living now, I mean, where we're living now, the energy is intense, and it's only getting intenser.

[Warwick Schiller (Intro/Outro)]

And.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

We need the energy of Earth and Sun to help us Acclimate and elevate with the energy that is elevating now. We are from what I've, from what I have experienced and channeled is that we are meant to be here in communion with earth and sun. We are meant to be in that trinity of earth and sun in our soul. That's how we're meant to be in any kind of plane of existence that we're born into. And so when we connect into Earth's energy and there's so many ways to connect to Earth, right? I mean it could be through gardening, through surfing in the water, being with animals, connecting and appreciating the beauty. Those all matter, those bring many things. Like when you connect to Earth that way, you, it brings you clarity about priorities in your life. It brings you security because you know where your food and water comes from. Because you know so many people don't even think about that. And it brings you community. And not just in hanging out with other people, but I've never known anyone that's connected to Earth where they really enjoy Earth and they feel alone because they're aware and feel the presence of the other species. Not, you know, the animals, the plants, the trees. It's that whole interconnectedness with the other species that we feel when we have this connection and appreciation with Earth. But when we connect in to her energy and bring that energy into our bodies and bring the sun's energy into our bodies, what that does is that it releases density. And density is stuck fear and trauma in the physical energetic bodies and in the soul. And so when we bring that up into us, it releases the density. And so we start becoming, feeling more connected to everything because the fear goes away. We start moving into that feeling, feeling literally feeling the soul in our bodies more in that heart chakra and also being able to hear it and live our life more fully from that space. And it helps to heal the body. It can help to heal the body. So as we move into this bifurcated energy that is just getting more and more potent, connecting to Earth and sun really helps to stabilize us in that energy and harmonize with it. Not just stabilize, but harmonize. And that's going to make an impact on, on everything on our physi, our physical being, mental, emotional in every way. I feel like that's the importance, that's what I need to bring.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Can we talk about the word density? I love that I just thought about that word density. And if you, you know, if you think about there's a line you sits on about, you know, feeling More. And it. I had this. Almost had an epiphany, I think, you know, like, I've been on a journey to unravel my shutdown state and be able to feel more. And it's almost like. And tell me if I'm totally off here, but like this density you're talking about, it's almost like if you go think about water, it can be frozen, so it's very dense, and then it's a liquid and it's less dense, and then it turns into steam and it's. It's a. It's a lot less dense. And it's almost like. At least for me personally, my body was frozen, so I didn't vibrate. It was just very dense. And the, you know, the more you unravel this stuff, the more I want to say the word light. I want, you know, like the particles are moving around. Like they're not just so tightly together and you're not this chunk of something you, you know, and. And that you. You have experiences. We had a. Had a visitor here the other night who did a breath work thing with us, and. Oh, my God, it was crazy, but, you know, just your whole body's just vibrating a million miles an hour. Like, it's just. It's almost like you're water, but you're almost turning into steam sort of thing, you know?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Exactly.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Is that what you're talking about with density?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Exactly. And that's a great way of putting it. This. So a lot of healing work releases density. Like, have you ever had emdr?

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Yeah.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

So that can be a release of density. What the breath work you just did, it creates movement. It helps to break apart this density when you bring in the earth and sun, even just Earth, because. Well, I'll get. I'll show this when you bring in Earth's energy. Okay, so in. Western medicine is great at acute trauma, right? You have appendix that bursts, they take it out. You need, you know, a bypass that can do that. Eastern medicine is great at looking at the entire. The meridians in the body. Earth medicine looks at your soul first. Because what Earth informs me is that the soul can carry our trauma from lifetimes. And she says you can't just work with the body where everything's connected. You have to work with your soul first. And when you. So she starts working with your soul and clearing the density from that, and that then moves into our energetic bodies and clears the density held in our energetic body, and then it moves into the physical body and starts clearing the density in the physical body. And so, I mean, we could clear density until the cows come home. There's a lot of it because we're, we've been around a long time. And so what I have seen in the work that I've done, because at some point I started doing energetic healing where I would, people would lay on my table and I would channel Earth's energy. And people will come in with lifelong anxiety, depression, ptsd, Epstein Barr Lyme structural issues, chronic pain. And through a series of sessions, it would start decreasing and it would hit a tipping point where it wouldn't feel like much was happening, but then the tipping point would happen and their symptoms would start decreasing dramatically. Typically, and not just the physical, but the emotional and the mental, they would move into a state of peace, of neutrality. And still life throws curveballs, right? That's going to continually happen. But when you, when you're in the state where you've, you've brought in the Earth energy and it resides in you, then you, there's been enough density released where what's in your structural system, what's in your nervous system is this energy of peace, right? Because it's moved you into more of your original state. So you're walking around and you're not hooked. You're not hooked. You're not as reactionary. Something might happen, a curveball, and you'll have your emotional experience, and then you move back into peace. So you might pendulate into the emotional experience, but it doesn't hook you as what it may have done prior. And so it really has a deep impact across all layers in your life. And the beautiful thing about this is that people don't need me. They get, they could do it on their own. And the more you do it, the more of course this is going to happen. And you could connect to Earth in a prison cell. You don't need to be outside. Anyone can connect to Earth. And the more and more, the more you do this, the more practice you make of it, the deeper it's going to have on every part of your being. And so there was, there was this experience I had. This is pretty out there. So I'm going to ask your listeners to have an open mind.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

We've had somebody on here before who channels aliens, so knock yourself out. Okay. Yeah, I don't know if you can beat that one. So, you know, if we're in a competition here, if we're in a, if.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

We'Re in a weirdness competition, we're in the same company. Okay? So one day I was sea glass Hunting in the ocean. And I hurt my knee badly. And I go home and I'm doing, I'm laying in bed, I'm sitting up in bed and I think, okay, I'm going to go and I'm going to not just put energy in my knee, but I'm going to go through my lifetime to those times in my life when I was really healthy. And I'm going to bring that energy to my knee. So I was doing this deep focus on my knee. I got really into my body and I went to these times in my life where I felt the vitality of myself. And I kept getting younger and younger and younger. These memories came back and they were really embodied memories. And I was just thinking, wow, I was, I was really connected to Earth. I really felt her, I really felt her in my body. I could, I started recalling all those experience I, I had as a child where I was really having these deep, these conversations with her. And then I heard a loud voice that said, jump time, you know how to do this. And then I was out of my body completely. And I was looking down at these long coils, these big coils that were one right after another. And I knew that those were universes, parallel universes, like in string theory, how they talk about that, right? And I said, oh, each one of those has a universe in them. And then I was in this web. And when I breathed everything breathed and I said, oh, this is the interconnectedness of all. And all this information was downloaded while this is happening. And in that state was peace, complete peace. At one point I thought, God, this might get a little boring. And no wonder we, we want to go and experience, right? And while I was in that web, I felt this presence above the web. And I'm like, oh, that must be the creator. So there really is one. And it was this distilled pure presence, all knowing presence. And then all this information got downloaded about Earth. And this is before I was channeling her. And it was that we come here to experience the emotional spectrum. That's one of our main purposes, is to come here. Because we don't get that there. And through experiencing this emotional spectrum is expansion is the opportunity for expansion. And it's through relationships, interpersonal relationships, that we will find our biggest challenges, to expand the biggest opportunities. And as we choose to expand here, our souls exponentially expand there. And so we come here and we're meant to be in relationship with Earth and a deep relationship with Earth, but we've been disconnected. So all this information is downloaded and Then I feel myself disconnect. And I'm going back in, and I see a line, a long line of souls with both excitement and urgency waiting to reincarnate here. And then I feel myself literally being zipped up into my body. And I have this deep sense of gratitude to be in this form here on this planet. Two days later, I walk out. And I will sit outside in the morning and meditate. And often I'll channel, too. Information just starts to download. And I heard this new voice, and I said, who is this? And she said, this is Earth, and I have something to say to you. And so she starts telling me this information. I said, I've got to write this book. So I go to this. I go up north to Mendocino county and I channel this book in about a week. And later I channeled a few more chapters. And it's. It's. It's simple and it's a bit repetitive, but it's about. At that point in time, Earth said, your density, humanity's density. I have an energetic grid in me, and it's been destabilized by humanity's violence, by humanity's living in this lower frequency of intolerance, of racism, of hate, of many, many years of war that she absorbs all of that, and that's destabilized her. And she said, I need 1% of the population to connect to me in a deep way. And it's through the energy, my energy. When you connect to me, you heal me and I heal you. We need to be in a symbiotic relationship. And this is how I heal you. And it's what I just explained. When we bring her energy into our body, then it starts to heal the soul and work its way down. And then you start to. When enough of us do this, her energetic system starts to heal and she can move towards balance, and we heal with her. And so she talked about the impact of cyberspace. She talked about when you do connect, you start to yearn to be with her. You start to feel the presence of the other species more intimately. It heightens your intuition. It does many things. So I channeled this book, and then I started channeling her. So when people would come for readings, it's. I would channel her. And it's. It's made a big difference in my life. It's made a big, big difference in a lot of people's lives. And. And when I talk to people about this, it makes sense to them. I mean, just look out the window, right? Look, what's the beauty out there. And so it doesn't surprise them that Earth can be this healer for all of us. But we need to connect to her as well, because she heals from us. So that was eight or nine years ago. And since then things have shifted and it's shifted in that. Have you heard of the bifurcation, the splitting of energy?

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Tell me about that.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

So I'm not the only one that has received this information. A lot of other readers have received. A lot of it's been spoken about. I used to work with the Dine, the Navajo population for years and they would speak about it as well. So it's kind of a universal concept. As I was preparing every winter solstice, I do a ceremony. And as I was Preparing for the 2019 ceremony, I was channeling Earth. And she said, we are going into the age, the seven year expansion. It's the age of accountability.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

When was this? 19.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

20. 19 Winter Solstice is when I downloaded this and I saw these two lines of energy. She showed me this and I said, what's that about? And she said, there's gonna. The demarc. There's a demarcation in time which is happening now where these. There's a bifurcation in the energy. And it's not about good versus bad or someone being right or wrong. Where you are in this bifurcation of energy. It's just about where you are in the evolution of your soul, of your being. And so this bifurcation splits and it goes kind of like this where it's narrow and with each year it's been broadening and thickening. And in this bifurcation is. She starts to release her own density. And I know there's listeners out there that can relate to this because there's pro. A lot of your listeners are probably deeply connected to Earth. And there are people out there that are very. They have like almost a energetic architecture that is similar to Earth's architecture. You know, there's an energetic relationship occurring. Probably like you have a similar energetic architecture to horses where you, you know, there's this. Yeah, like a kindred architecture going on. And this. When you are that deeply connected, you feel what Earth feels and you're feeling the density release through you. And so over these seven years, our karma has been thrown at us. Not just what we were supposed to experience in this lifetime, but many lifetimes. Like what is our biggest lessons are being thrown at us. And through this bifurcation, she's healing. And so we are. We have been tasked with this Opportunity to really process and release these experiences and lessons. And it's been exponential because I'm sure you've known a lot of people who've experienced a lot of challenges since, you know, basically 2020, right. And so we have been ask to be accountable for ourselves and for our connection to her. Excuse me, to her and to each other. So in this bifurcation through the last six years, it's the energy has gotten more and more intense. So the energy on the upper bifurcation, so what puts someone up in the upper bifurcation, the lower bifurcation is where they're their, in their evolution of their soul. And anyone could step into the work at any time and we'll have support to evolve. And in this bifurcation, as we heal and as she releases density, she's been moving more and more into balance. And this energetic grid has become more stabilized. And she's now become what people are calling the new Earth. And so when I go into her, she feels significantly better. In fact, she feels repaired. We need her now more than ever. But what's different now is that we need to connect into her. We have to make that effort to go into, feel her, pull her energy out. And this will help us harmonize with this accelerated energy that is happening. And if you're someone who's in the lower bifurcation, it gets really dense. The body has a harder time with this more dense energy. It feels like you're moving underwater, whereas if you're in this upper bifurcation, it feels expansive. It feels like when you were describing water, like what you experience in the meditation. So have you noticed a difference when you meditate or do any of your kind of work, save eight, nine years ago to now, does it feel like things are accelerating? Does it feel like things are stronger?

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Oh, yeah, most certainly.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

So this energy is becoming more potent. There's electromagnetic fields of energy coming in at a faster rate, and timelines are collapsing at a faster rate than ever before. And the contrast is getting more and more stark. And more people are going to feel this physically, emotionally, mentally. And time is, it's. Time's literally speeding up, right? So time is going by very fast. And Earth keeps saying, you need to slow down. You need to simplify to everyone. You need to be selective about how you live your life, who you live your life, where you live your life as much as one can. Because things are getting speeding up. The energy is getting stronger, it's becoming more potent, which impacts us all. It impacts everything. And it could feel like Chaos. And so when we slow down, we can resonate more with this energy because really strong high frequency energy hums and it hums at. Even though it could feel fast and chaotic, when you get into it, it's slow and it's deep and it vibrates. And that's. If we slow down, we're going to feel that deep resonance. So does that make sense?

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Yes. Does it? You know, somewhere during there, you mentioned working with the Navajo. And you know, I've had a number of people on the podcast who spent time with, with hunter gatherers on different continents. And I've had some Native American guests too, who've shared some of their indigenous wisdom. And I feel like it's all the same thing that you're, you're talking about. How did you end up working with the Navajo?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Well, I used to be a photographer and I was.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Hang on, how did, how did we, how did we skip that bit? Let's, well, let's, let's back up and really pull the story out of you. You're talking about when you were in your early, late teens, early 20s, and you're in college and you were partying and you weren't really thinking about that stuff. What were you studying in college apart from partying?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Communications. And I graduated really not knowing what I wanted to do. And I did some corporate work and I didn't like that. And I picked up a camera and it just really spoke to me. And I wanted to go do editorial, documentary. I wanted to do stories with my camera. I didn't really want to go into newspaper editorial. I wanted long term, like documentary. And so I started traveling around the world documenting child labor and.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Whoa. That. We just took a right turn right here. This is fascinating. This is a part. I'm glad I backed up documenting child labor around the world. What countries did you go to?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

So I started too broad. First of all, at one point I was studying with this man named Sam Abel and he worked for National Geographic full time and he was reviewing my work and he's like, you're too broad. He said, I once did a story on coffee and I traveled all over the world and the story was too scattered. I should have just gone to three coffee shops. You need to bring your story home more and condense it and go deeper into the story instead of sub broad. So I started out with child labor and I narrowed in on factory child labor. So I started out in Asia and Indonesia and, and then ended up in Cambodia and then India. And while in India, I got half my all My equipment stolen and half my film, because this is pre digital. So I went back, I had enough. I got it published, and I said, I want to. I'm going back. I need to go back to Cambodia. Because it had such an impact on me. I was there, right? I was one of the first people that went in when they opened the borders. And I still have a hard time finding words for that experience of what it was like to be there in that level of genocide. And so I was there basically filming what it was like to be there at that time. There was no infrastructure. Everything was run on generator. The UN was there, and I think I was there for about. Gosh, it was a long time ago, four to six weeks. I went back then again, and it was in a full state of anarchy. Have you ever been in a place during a state of anarchy? No. You know, so I'm there. And I remember before I left, this woman I know said to me, you know, you seem to be a lot more interested in the subject than the photograph. And I said, yeah, I think you're right. So when I was there, I started it. You know, I had been studying psychology at the time. And so I went back to Cambodia and did more witnessing work, I did more counseling work. And it was my first population that I worked with. And so after that, then I moved to Colorado and I worked for my brother's company. It was a backpacking company called Osprey Pax. And there I started working with the Dine people. And then I became a therapist, and, excuse me, worked with them as that population. And there were a lot, you know, the DNA, the Navajo, as all nations in the States, they're genocide survivors, right? And there were a lot of parallels between the Khmer people and the Dine people. The Dine, because it takes up over 10 generations or at least 100 years to really heal from genocide. And so I worked with these people, and I was very fortunate to be able to get invited down into their ceremonies and to spend time with them in the sweat lodges.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

And.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

It, you know, I learned a lot about their ways and their belief systems. Beautiful people, Beautiful people to work with. And so I put down the camera as a profession and became a therapist and started working with people doing a lot of somatic work. And for those that were open, I did an amalgamation of bringing in the energy work, bringing in the psychic work, doing it all. But when I was working with Danae, there were. Sometimes they were open because, you know, there's a lot of trauma on the reservation because of the Genocide there, you know, there's a destabilization that occurred in that culture. And so I was working with a man, we were doing emdr. He had a lot of childhood abuse, but we weren't, you know, on the scale of 0 to 10, 0 is no bad feeling means 10 of the worst. After quite some time, he was stuck at 6, and I wanted him to get down to a 1 or 2, so he'd live his life without feeling that trauma daily. And I said, will you get on the table? You know, are you willing to do some Earth work? And so he said, yeah. And we did that work where that's when I was able to really channel Earth and have this ability to amplify the energy of Earth and sun on. And within three weeks, he was down to a two, because it goes into Earth's energy clears multi transgenerational trauma. So people that came in with ptsd, with transgenerational depression, transgenerational anxiety, where they had tried everything because I was often the last stop because my work's, you know, different.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Yeah.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

And they would come in and it would work. It would clear that density that's in their bones, that's in their DNA. And so working with the DNA was really beautiful because, one, they have a remarkable sense of humor, but also because they were really open to this kind of work.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

I'm just. I'm still here, sitting here tripping, tripping out about the Cambodia thing because I don't think. I rarely meet anybody who's been to Cambodia, but recently I met a guy who is a professor at Stanford, and he runs the Insta. It's a institute for the survivors of torture at Stanford. It's the Human Rights in Trauma mental health program There. He works with survivors of genocide, torture and human rights violations. But he. He went to Cambodia and assisted in the. The tribunals after the genocide of the Khmer Rouge. And it's so interesting. I'm 58 years old, and I've probably never really had a conversation with someone who has been to Cambodia and been involved in that sort of thing. And then he was here today is what, Tuesday? He was here Saturday and Sunday, and his friend that was with him was the one that did the breath work with us. But it was. So, I mean, I'm just kind of tripping out here right now.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

I've noticed that with your. I've listened to some of your podcasts, and they seem to be layered, structured one after another.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Yeah.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

In a way that's quite remarkable. But have you. I mean, have you ever seen the.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Movie Slumdog Me in there?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Oh, yeah.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

You know, don't you feel like your life's like that? Like the exact. You know, like he's on stage and he's answering the questions, but the reason he can answer those questions he shouldn't be able to answer is because one time this thing happened and then another time this other weird thing happened and. And they all happen separately, but then they all come together.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Cambodia is. Was the people. I mean, no one was at Angkor Wat when I was there. There was my first day I went. My friend picked me up who had traveled there earlier, and we went there and I'll never forget it was this mist, foggy mist. And it was just me and this blind man playing the. I don't know what it's called. I can't remember the guitar for that. Their style guitar. And he had his family around him and that's all that was there. And they were sharing their bread with me and we were just sitting there eating the. Watching the fog lift. And then this man comes up and he starts crying. And I walked up to him, I said, are you okay? And he said, this is my first time back. I was in a refugee camp. I made it out alive. And starts telling me his story. And so what I found was. And I'll say, while we're in this beautific place, there's shelling going on all around us and in the background is machine guns, non stop. Okay, So, I mean, talk about your aunt. You know, your autonomic nervous system is lit up the entire time and you can't. What was rogue? I mean, what fascinated me was how fast I adapted. You get desensitized to this. And the way the Khmer thought about it in Siem Reap, which was Little town where right outside of Angkor Wat, I said, aren't you scared? The Khmer Rouge is not that far away. Aren't you scared? And they said, no, they're like more than 20 miles away. You know, we only leave when they get five miles close. And so they lived in this compartmentalization. And so when I went back there the second time, I mean, you could say both times were anarchy. But the UN was there the first time. The second time I went back was a full. Hun Sen had come in and taken over and it was a full state of anarchy. You could not be out after night. When night fell, like I remember, I was spending time. I was staying with the VVAF at their headquarters was the Vietnam Veterans of Associate Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation. I was staying at their headquarters in Phnom Penh and I would go out with other NGO people for dinner and the minute, the sunset, we all ran. You run home and if you go out, you hire someone to drive you and you get parked out right in front because there were gangs going around and they would say, okay, if you don't have $100 on you, you always had to carry $100 bill, always. Because they would say, they put a gun to your head and say, we're going to shoot you if you don't give us 100 bucks. So you always had $100 bill and you just didn't go out after night. It was a very different feeling, almost to me, scarier than what it was like in 93 when I was there. And so. But in that time, between 93 and 98 was an enormous gentrification. You know, the roads in Phnom Penh were built. There was electricity, there was running water when you got out into the countryside. I went out with the Red Cross and we went to. They were de mining areas and it would take us four hours to go 70km because the roads had been so blown apart. And I went out with a number of senators because they were going out. I just found my way into this group of people, you know, I went to interview the head of the Red Cross there and he said, come out, we're going on an outreach program tomorrow. And I went out with the senators of the whole country and we went from place to place just to interview people and get a sense, a pulse of how their lives were going. But you had to be very careful, for example, of where you walked. I could not veer off the path whatsoever because there were still landmines everywhere, you know. And so I had gone back and I was working with. I was doing a photo documentary on the survivors of landmines. And I originally started with children I wanted to go out there with. But children typically don't survive landmines. They're too tiny. They don't survive. So I was working with the survivors and just hearing their stories. And what would happen is there'd be 25 people lined up to talk to me, to, just to tell me their story, because I've never told anyone. And so that's what got me into the therapy work. That's what really, you know, was the first tipping point. And then.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

And all this is because you went there to, to take photographs about child labor.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

I went there to. Well, I was in Asia doing child labor. And then I met this man, this, These two men, and they said one of them was a photographer, and he's like, you got to go to Cambodia. The borders just opened. You have to go and documentary. And so I took, you know, I veered off, and I wasn't doing child labor in Cambodia. I was just going there to, you know, to see what was going on and documenting just what, you know, it was, it being closed, you know, it just opened up from all the horrific experiences those people went through. I mean, yeah, it. When I went back this the second time, there were a lot of factions, and the Khmer Rouge was still that operating, but the day I left, it had officially been destabilized. And I remember I was going down the river on a boat, and as we were going down, two other boats pulled up and they pulled, they all had guns, and they pulled a few people off the boat that I was on, and I realized, oh, they're. They're the, this is the kou. And you, you could hear a pin drop. Everyone went into a state of just total freeze. It was so silent. And they pulled them off and blindfolded them like they were going to execute them all. And the whole time, because how the Khmer Rouge lived is the whole. The families of these, of their, these Kim, their soldiers, what they call them, would live with them on the front lines. So here's these people lined up about to be executed, and there's a woman cooking food and kids running around on the boat, running around these people. It was just such a bizarre scene, all of it. And they let them off. Nothing happened, and we kept going. But there was that threat continually for these people. You know, it been, you know, it'd been only six, seven years since they opened the borders, and there was all this gentrification. So, you know, on the outside, it looked good, but once you spent time there, it. There was still a lot going on. There was still that threat of destabilization at any moment. You know, I, I would have people coming up and wanting to give me their kids, their babies. They would put a baby into my hands and say, take them. I don't, not because they're like, we. I don't want them to live through what we've lived through. Yeah. And I was like, I, I don't, I can't take this. I can't take this. So when I was there, I just. It did photography, I mean, it's so powerful, but it, for me, it didn't feel like enough. And, and, and so that's what led me into doing the therapy and working with people, you know, on this energetic level. And that was in 98 point, really.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Let's go back to the photography of the child, because, I mean, we don't. The news doesn't report on child labor, so I got no idea. What sort of labor did you see kids doing and how. What were the ages and what were the conditions like?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

So I went undercover. I lied to get in. And.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

What country is this in? Is this in Thailand?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

India. And I would go into villages where, you know, there's no tourism. Right. And so I would see what were your undercover as well, for example, so I was staying with some Indian families and they were telling me, you know, I said, where are these. What industries is mostly where these kids work? And the textile industry is a big one, you know, and fireworks is a big one. Agriculture is big. Yeah, those are mainly the ones that I went into. I'm thinking if there's anything else. And it's complex because, like, I was in this one textile factory and the mother of six children, they lived underneath a tree right next to the factory. And I was talking to her and she was saying, I'm really proud of my children, you know, and they ranged from 6 to 15, that family. And she said, they're not on the streets being prostitutes, you know, they're making money. And that's how a lot of people looked at it, because it's complex, it's systemic. Right. And actually, child labor is illegal in India, but it's just not regulated. And so I would. I remember I was dropped off in this one small town, and I knew there was a firework factory there that I was told had child labor. So I was like, how am I going to get in? Because there's no way they would let you in if you told them what you were doing. Right. And so I go in and I said, I'm a photographer because I've got like five cameras on me and I'm doing a coffee table. I just thought of it right then I'm going to say this. I'm going to do. I'm doing a coffee table book on the evolution of fireworks because this is where all the gunpowder was. So I would see kids. One was as young as three. Most of them were seven and eight, 10, 11, 12. Yeah, the young, the majority. It wasn't typical that I saw like a three or four. I just. I saw a couple like that. But most of them started around 8, 9, 10, because their hands are tiny and they can get into this machinery and thread the machinery. So they would hire children to do that kind of work, and then they would hire them for dying. You know, like, there's this one photograph I have of this. He was probably 13, emaciated, and there was an older man, emaciated. And it was in this dark room, no ventilation, very low light, acidic dye. I don't know what was on the floor, but my feet were burning. And I just started crying because it was just so sad. I mean, and like, the photograph is not a great one technically, because I was disassociating. The owner of the factory had come in and was yelling at them, you know, and I thought I was seeing, like, oh, my God, you know, are they. Is this because of me? Like, am I getting them in trouble because I'm here? And so the light bounced all over the place. But it really caught the essence of the environment that these kids worked in. So I would go into textile, and there they would. Again, it was their hands. There were all these bobbin machines that were tight, and they would hire them for same kind of thing, and just the weaving and the dyeing, all of it. And they basically would pay them what would be maybe 20 cents a day back then, but then they would, for some of them, charge them if they live there. So they would become this indentured servant, right?

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Like, indentured servants. Yeah, yeah.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

So then I. I tried to get that published in the States, but so many of the magazines wrote to me and said, this is too difficult to look at. And. But in Europe and in Asia, they would publish it. And so doing that work, it was difficult to cut, to try to make a living on that kind of work too. But I was just called more to the subject, I would have to say, like, how can. How can I. I mean, getting the word out there was helpful for sure, because a lot of people don't know about what happened in Cambodia. You know, a lot of people don't know. A lot of people don't know about child labor, about factory labor. I mean, there's a reason why clothing is so cheap, because the labor is either free or incredibly cheap. And you might have a company here that hires a company there, contract work, but then those companies subcontract, and then those companies subcontract. And when it gets whittled down, you get into where this is where you start seeing the child labor, because when you went into government run, you didn't see them there. It's more in the subcontracted in those places. So yeah, that was, that was intense to see all that, but it really prepared.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

I'm sorry, I was going to say, what was your, you know, what's it like? I don't know, decompressing after being there, like you get back to America or whatever after, after seeing that sort of stuff. What, what's that do to you?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Well, it would frustrate me because a lot of people didn't know what was going on. It propelled me into wanting to do more service work. Right. But it was a sharp contrast of where people's priorities would be in wanting the glitz, wanting the bling, not understanding the value of democracy. Because in Cambodia that was stark, you know, seeing what it's like to live in a place with no democracy. And that's. That level of dictatorship or any kind of dictatorship is, is. It can happen so fast. And so coming back, there was always an acclimation where I would kind of go inward and just get. Wrap my head around. Look, no one, you know, people can't. It's not that there's nothing wrong with them. They just haven't had that opportunity to go there where I did. I always had a sense of adventure. I always loved to travel. And so becoming an editorial photographer was a perfect fit for me at that time. It's so I would really have to, in my retreats that I do, I always close the retreat with re entry. You, you know how to prepare for re entry. And I would speak about, okay, I mean, I would go through that myself as I. Before I would return. Like, you know what this is going to be like. People can't relate and just go slowly and take what I, you know, what I learned and apply it in my own life. And it really pushed me to put that. Try to get the information out there as much as I could. And any way that I, I mean, this is all really pre digital or just as we were coming online to the Internet. So it was, it was a whole different story getting information out back then. And you know, people, they didn't like it, they didn't want to see it.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

You said that it was the, you're talking about the people with the landmines and how they'd, you know, they'd kind of line up to tell you their story sort of thing. And that's kind of what got you into the therapy sort of work. You're a licensed professional counselor. So when did you decide to get that accreditation? When did you do that?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

I did that just a few years later. So I had gotten a lot of this I'd gotten my work. So I also photographed out on the Danae Reservation and I worked with people out there and was getting their story out. And then 911 happened and that changed everything for the photography world because all these magazines folded. I mean, my work went away overnight. And so.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Because of 9 11.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Because of 9 11.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Can you explain that to me? I'm not.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Yes. So a lot of those businesses that closed from. A lot of them were housed in the Trade Centers. A lot of the people died. You know, the economy went way down. So basically, because I was in a lot of the alternative magazines, it wasn't like Time or Newsweek. I was not in those magazines. I was in alternative magazines. You know, I was doing. I had gone and spent time with Julia Butterfly Hill. She had lived in a redwood tree for two years. And I climbed the redwood tree and spent some time with her.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Wait, where is that?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

She did not touch the ground for two years. This was up near Eureka.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Really?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

California.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

I've never heard of it. She lived in a redwood tree for two years?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Yeah, as a protest to the deforestation. So, I mean, but so all these magazines that I was working with closed because the economy dumped. You know, we went to war. A lot. A lot of them had offices in the Trade Centers. So it just closed. I mean, that part of my work. And. And then I got pregnant. So I couldn't go do world travel with baby on my back, not where I was I was supposed to go. And I was going to move to Cambodia, but then I got pregnant and there's no way I would take an infant over there with the malaria and everything. So I started shooting weddings and I said, this isn't going to work. And I was in a Native American church ceremony and one of the people came up to me and. And they said, you know, you might think about being a therapist, a counselor. And that kind of got me going in my head. And then what was interesting. So about a year earlier, I was with a friend of mine who knew her friend was a well known palm reader. And she said, I want to send him your palm. So she put pink lipstick all over my hands and I pressed it on a piece of paper and she sent it to him. And after this ceremony, I get a call and he's like, is this Rachel? This is Vid. And I'm like, who are you? And he said, I'm that palm reader. And he starts telling me all this stuff of, you know, you have a really different set of palms and you, you know, your work is in healing, your work is in therapy. You're a teacher and just starts naming all this stuff. And I went, huh, that's interesting. I was just thinking about going back to school. So there was some synchronicity.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

There was. Where did you go back to school?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

I went to just Adams State College in Colorado. It was a cohort program that was mainly online and we would meet monthly. And so it was a three year program. I did my residency at an addiction center and for the Catholic county and working on and off the Danae reservation and the Ute reservation. And so I primarily worked with trauma. Trauma and addiction.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Were you. Did you. Sorry if I missed this. Were you. The center was on the reservation, was it?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

No, it was off. I lived right near the reservation. Yeah. Not that far away. So but in the work, I would go out and I was a community therapist, so I would go out to families that lived on the reservation and would counsel in their homes.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

I bet that was. I don't know. I don't know what the descriptive word I was going to use there. I was going to say amazing, but then I was going to say probably confronting. And like there could be a lot of.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Yeah, it's complex. I'm a white woman, you know, their genocide from white colonizers. Right. And so there was some resistance, but there was also very much warmth and welcoming. It takes a while and I wasn't any, any rush. And I knew I had to develop trust. And so once they let you in, like you're in for life. And, you know, they would call me little sister and daughter, but it was complex. Because of our history, it's complex. I made a lot of mistakes. I mean, I've made a lot of mistakes in my life. And one of them was working with the Dine. I remember going to the library and there's. There was nothing, nothing written about. How do you, you know, cultural difference. Yeah, because I would speak, you know, in a language of speaking about the future, and you don't do that. And just the way I refer to people in my life is different from the way they refer to people. Like they call auntie, everyone's auntie and uncle, or, you know, it's just a different complete framework.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

I had an experience here recently. So two podcast, previous podcast guests we've done the last couple of years, we've done a retreat here with those two, plus myself and my wife. And so those two. One's Christine Dixon from la, she's transformational coach. And the other one is Jessica White Plume. And so she's from the. She's a Lakota woman. Anyway, so it's a two and a half day retreat. We kind of had mapped out what we were going to do, but Christine and Kristen and Jess get here on, like, Thursday, and we're sitting out on our porch out here. We're going to have it. We're going to sit down. And we. Well, we decided we should probably sit down and have a chat about exactly how the retreat is going to go. But I said, it's so strange. I said, well, let's sit down here and have a pow wow. And Christine knew exactly what I was talking about. But Jess was standing there and she was like. She couldn't figure out how we were going to have a pow wow, right? Because a pow wow to her is a pow wow. Pow wow to me was. It's us colonizer term for sitting down and having a talk about something. And I use the term pow wow. And I. And I try not to, you know, because we're so unaware of that sort of stuff. So when we're around Jess, I'm usually quite aware of the words I use or whatever. I don't want to offend her in any way. And then I say, yeah, let's have a pow wow. And I didn't even realize I said it, you know, I didn't really realize that it has a connotation to her as a Native American. That is not. When we say we're gonna have a pow wow, we can have a chat. We're gonna sit down and talk about something. And it was just. It was. And when she said, oh, I didn't know what you guys were talking about, I thought, how are we gonna have a power wow? Where are we gonna have it? You know? And I just realized we're so ignorant of a lot of things like that, you know?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I used to show up and shake their hands with a lot of firmness and look them in the eye. You don't. You don't do that. You know, they. You look away and you gently shake. It's just, you know, just like you're talking about. I would, when I would work with them, the language I would use. Well, when I was working at Osprey Pax, there was a lot of dine workers. And I didn't understand clans. I didn't understand that maybe one clan had history with another. And I would put them in the same sewing group or something. And so there would be all this friction, tension in the group because I didn't understand you know, what kind of culture deeply in that level they were coming from. And thank God there were two families that pulled me aside and said, can you come down and spend some time with us? And we want you to do ceremony with us because then you're going to start to understand us better. And I did, and it helped. But, you know, like, I remember driving down, we were driving down, it was on the reservation and were all these owls that night, and that's not good medicine for them. And so I pull. We pull up and I walk in and I just said, wow, it's amazing. I saw. We saw like eight owls on the way down. And they're just looking at me like, oh, no. You know, I think there's a point where if there's more owls than not, it might turn into something that's more positive, but I'm not sure. And then I looked around, I said, can I use your bathroom? Well, there's no, you know, there's no infrastructure for that. Yeah. So I would just. I walked in assuming these things that I take for granted without realizing the impact that it might have on them. So I would do that kind of thing pretty often. And they were so patient with me in schooling me, you know, and. And so I hold deep respect for that population, for those population, the nation's Deep, deep respect.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Yeah. While you were saying you made a lot of mistakes, I thought I'd go to one of your questions here that you asked. What has been your biggest failure and how has it helped you?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

I've had quite a few. But before I had that near death experience that I had said to you when I first met you, I had gone through a period where I had lost all my savings, all my money, like, gone. And it was kind of. I mean, who knew that money would be my biggest sacrifice? Teacher one of them, because our identity is so tied up in that that when, I mean, and I lost it quickly that I, you know, it just brought up my worthiness. And it was this huge opportunity to redefine myself and also to get over the fear of. Because when it's gone, I mean, you know, you walk through it or you don't, that fear. And when I had that near death experience and I came back, I came back with this agency I never had before, and I made all that money back, what took me a lifetime to save in two years plus then some. And so it was getting over the fear of losing all that and not letting it rule me anymore. Because so many of those, what we call failures are just Growth opportunities. Right.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

When you have enough of them, you know. You know, you look back and you go, hey, that was the best thing that ever happened to me. And so I think when you've had enough of them, then when you're in the. In the. So to speak, the next time you kind of become curious about, I wonder what. I wonder where this is going to lead me to rather than, oh, woe is me sort of thing, you know?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Yeah, right. So when I went. When I had that experience before that I had spent a year with deep back pain, really deep back pain. And I would be on the floor and I would have to take like 8 to 10 ibuprofen just to get out the door each morning and go to work. And I kept pendulating between having severe back pain and getting sick. Like, I never. This is during COVID more or less. And I never tested for Covid, but who knows what it was? So I would pendulate between being sick and having back pain. And then I went down to Mexico. I just lost all this money. And I was leading a retreat. And during. So there was a month prior to that, going to the retreat where I was out of back pain and I felt so good. And I thought, oh, this is. I'm gone. I'm on the other side of this. This is amazing. Two days into the retreat, my back is out and my immune system wasn't really good. Going down into that retreat during the retreat, I got a little pin prick of something. Like I. There was a little bump on my lower back. Within three days, it started swelling up. After the retreat, I stayed with Ava Jones. Magical horsemanship, you know. She stayed. She and I stayed in a little rental, and we're in a part of Mexico where you can only get there by boat. And this infection just exploded. And I just started leaving my body. Like I was so sick. I could not say, oh, I think I need to go to the hospital. I mean, I was just out of it. And so we're at. We're staying in our little cabana, and she goes out with the neighborhood. She's hanging out with all the people there. And I look at my. I look at the. I could see the infection, and it's starting to climb up my back. And I remember laying down and my heart just starts racing and I'm in high fever and it's just racing. And then the last thing I recall is the sound of the ocean. And then I go through basically a tunnel and it's. I hear this. And since I had that experience before that, I was telling you about where I was part of the web. I'm on the other side. And I'm like, oh, I've been here before. And I'm like, oh, I'm dying. I'm dead. And I experienced this feeling of just being unshackled and this lightness and this freedom. And I'm like, okay, if I'm dead, let's go. Like, I know there's more of a journey. This has just begun. I was just ready, like, come on, let's go. And then my dad shows up and he. Both my parents had passed away and he comes up and he says something to me that he used to always say when he was alive. He said, knock it off, Rachel, you're not going anywhere. And then my mother comes and she says, rachel, you have to go back to your body. And I said, but it hurts so bad. It's been so painful. And she says, you have to tell the body to heal. Everything is in the body. The spirits in the body go back to the body. And so in this experience of being in on the other side again, all this information was downloaded. And then I went into nothingness. And I don't even, I don't even know where I was. I wake up probably 14 hours later and Ava's looking over me and she goes, you're not dying on my watch. And she had everything arranged. She had the boat there and everything. And I could walk, you know, I get up, but the contrast was so severe. Like the light was 20 times brighter. The sounds, my heart was like I'm just going off the chart. And I look at the infection and it's starting to go necrotic. And I think I have flesh eating virus. Like I'm convinced. I. I'm freaking out and I'm in my body and I. And just still so sick. And I get on the boat, we go to the clinic, and the person there, the doctor just looks at it and says, you have to get on the next plane. If you stay here, you're going to have to go to the hospital and you won't make it out. So Ava arranges everything. We get on the plane, we go back. I go to the wound clinic for six months. I mean six weeks. My back issues were gone. The moment I got back in my body, gone. There was like a full rearrangement that happened for me energetically. And about three months later, I start hearing sun. And so then this embodiment starts to happen. And in it is this agency that I haven't had before and this knowingness. And I was like the manifestation that occurs when you're embodied and your nervous system is functioning and moving towards coherence. And when you bring the energy of the other side of that oneness into your body, that's when things really start to rock and roll. Right. And so having that energy and having sun come in to start harmonizing, because you can't bring in sun energy if you're not grounded in earth energy. Sun energy brings in clarity. It provides this verticality in your nervous system. It provides this structure. So if I hadn't gone through that failure of that money and. Because when I lost that money, my back started giving out. Right. And there's a correlation between. Support.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

I was just gonna. The word support came to me right then, like, yeah, yeah.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

So it led me to all that. And. Yeah. So would I want to go through it again? No, probably not. I mean, it hurt. There was a lot of pain there for sure. But coming out on the other side is this other sense of release of fear that really changes you when you come back.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Right.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

And there is nothing to fear about passing. You do become unshackled. And there is everyone that you've loved there, that has met, passed on like they are there, they are here. And all that woo woo that you hear about, so much of it is. Is true. You know, one person asked me, what do you wish could happen? If anything could happen, what would you want that to be? And I said, I want the veil to drop for about five seconds for everyone. So you could see the truth behind so much. And there's so much going on all the time. Like, all that is real. Earth's energy is real. Sun's energy is real. The power of love is real. The power of coherence and resonance, that's real. The energetic grid and how we impact Earth and how she impacts us and sun. That's real. And you could feel it when you step into it. Just like when you connect into the horses. You feel that, right? Powerfully.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Yeah. If everybody could feel. Have the veil drop for five seconds, it ought to be a different place on their conduct. I better go on with these questions of yours. And this one I'm really excited to hear the answer to. What book do you recommend the most? Not necessarily your favorite book to read, but the one that you tell other people to read the most.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Can I do two?

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

You can do two.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Okay. One is the channeled book that I had. It's simple, it's.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Oh, the book that you channeled.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Yeah, because it's Earth. Her words.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

What's it called?

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

It's called the Words Beneath Our Feet and it's on Kindle. I'm. It's on Kindle, it should be on Kindle this week and it'll be in paperback real soon.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Okay.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

And yeah, that's channeled. It's. It talks about everything we've talked about here, about how to be in connection with Earth. It gives meditations why cyber reality is not good for us. What, how, how you benefit from connecting. Talks about how to talk to the children about. This covers a number of things. It's not real long, it's a short, it's a manual almost. The other book is a book that's excellent for women called Unbound by Cassia Urbaniak. And she is spent 20 years learning Daoism and almost became a Daoist priest priestess. And she's I guess in this world world renowned dominatrix. And she talks about what she calls the good girl smush, which is what I was talking about earlier, and how women, because women have a hard time asking for help women, how to find our authority, how to find that feminine power within us and how to speak from that place.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Place.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

And she gives, she uses, she used to, she has a school and she used to talk about it from the yin yang perspective, but people just couldn't relate. So she started bringing in the language that she used in the dungeons of Domin, of Dom and Sub. And everyone then leaned forward in their seats, right? And, and so she would talk about how you get into that space of Dom and how to speak from that space of Sub. And they're very practical and it's powerful.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

It'S powerful work for you guys listening at home, some of you probably cringing, thinking about dominatrixes and, and that sort of of thing. But a friend of mine, female friend of mine here a few years ago now, started going to a Dom and it's like I. From, you know, the stuff that she told me, it's, it's like intense therapy and a, you know, an ayahuasca journey all at the same time. It's not really anything to do with sex.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

And no, that's what.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

And you know, I thought it was all about being kinky or whatever, you know what I mean? And it was just like some of the stuff she described to him because when she first started talking about like, I'm not sure I want to hear about this, but when she told me about it, I'm like, that's fascinating. It's just Getting inside your head and releasing fears. And. Yeah, it was so interesting. And it wasn't anything like what I thought it was going to be.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Right. It's. I have a couple of clients who are into it and they tell me about it. It's about going. You have to really. Apparently you need to really know the person you're working with because it could be a mental job. Right. If you're not. Because it's about going into deep trust. But you go the way she describes it. It's about finding that, using an I statement and going really within yourself into that deep embodiment of yourself and speaking from that place, or putting your attention onto the person in front of you and really focusing and moving into the dominant space. And yeah, it's a. It's a fascinating book. She breaks it down into really good, concrete lessons. It's a book I highly recommend for women that have a hard time finding their voice and feeling the power behind it. Right. Yeah.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Well, that was not what I expected, but anyway, that's awesome. Wow. You are so full of amazing stories. But we're going to finish up here soon, so why don't. Rachel, why don't you tell the listeners how they can find you and your offerings.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

So you can go to my [e-mail] and there they could get in touch with me, join my newsletter, read about me. You know, if they want an individual embodiment work, do that. Or a group which starts up in March. And there's two different types of groups. There's the healing embodiment healing group. And then there's an embodiment manifestation group. And then you could do that work individually as well. Or the channeling. So it's infoast-earth.com go to my website. That's the best way to get in touch with me.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

And then you also have. Don't you also. So you have retreats.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

I do retreats.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

And what about the.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

The. And then I have my. My facial Care perfumes, Sunrise Perfumes, which is on my Vast Earth website, but it's also Sunraya perfumes.coms u n r A Y A S U N R A Y A Perfumes dot com.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Perfect.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

I could email that to you.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

Okay. I think it's actually in the. When you sent your bio. I think it's in there. So. Okay, we can put that in the show notes. Wow. Well, Rachel, it's been so fun chatting with you and I'm glad I asked some of those questions that drug you back to places because I think you're going to skip over a lot of the good stuff.

[Rachel Fotenhauer]

Thank you. I really appreciate this opportunity to speak with you.

[Warwick Schiller (Host)]

So fun. And yeah, I'm sure this is not the last time we'll we'll be connecting. So thank you so much for joining me and for you guys at home, thanks for joining us and we'll catch you guys on the next episode of the Journey on Podcast.

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