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Joy Reid
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Bishop William Barber
Okay.
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Erica Party
Yeah.
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Joy Reid
Erica Party Interesting. Let's read a little bit of this story about Elon's brand new party By a factor of two to one he says you want a new political party and you shall have it. When it comes to bankrupting our country with waste and graft, we live in a one party system, not a democracy, musk said by his social media platform X on Saturday, a day after Trump signed the bill, which is of course the big billionaire bailout bill. Well, he says today the American party is formed to give you back your freedom. The Tesla CEO had opened a poll on July 4, Independence Day, asking his more than 220 million followers if he should create a new political party. Over 65% of the more than 1.2 million respondents voted yes. Well, that's really interesting. I find that interesting because Elon Dark Elmo, may I just be the first to inform you that you've already got a new political party. It is called the Republican Party. You purchased it for $250 million to get Trump back in office and to get Republicans elected to the House and the Senate in order to do exactly what they did in the big bailout Billionaire bailout, which is give you a tax cut. You literally voted for it so that you would get all that money back in a permanent tax cut for yourself. And so I'm trying to figure out why you want to start another party. Dark Elmo, I should even relate you to Elmo because Elmo's actually adorable. But you wanted that political party. So the new political party that you want to form is based on what? Let's go through why you might have a problem with what was done in the big billionaire bailout. Yes, you got a permanent tax cut paid for by the Doge cuts that you created. You created this fake agency, Doge Elon, that was your agency or whose goal was to cut $2 trillion out of the federal budget to make room for your tax cut for yourself. The Doge cuts are what is wrecking the federal government and making it non functional. You also wanted to gut Social Security. You said it was a Ponzi scheme. You wanted that cut so that it could pay for your tax cut. You wanted that to be paid for by our seniors. You also were for all these Medicaid cuts. Almost a trillion dollars in Medicaid cuts. That's what you wanted, Elon. You wanted that because you wanted poor people, broke people, and the working poor to pay for and finance the tax cuts for you. So you were happy with that. But then you found out that also on the chopping block were these subsidies for electric vehicles. Your main business being Tesla, whose stock is actually down on your announcement that you want to form a whole new political party. You've actually tanked your stock even more than you did when you backed Donald Trump, jumped up in the air and did that one armed salute that you swore was not a C cop. You created the political party that we used to call the Republican Political Party. It is now the MAGA Elon Party. So why do you need another party? You just want a party that will cut all the Medicaid and cut all the food stamps, cut all the meals on wheels, cut all the services to our seniors, to children, to elderly, and gut dei, gut anything that helped women, gut the sciences, gut the universities. You love all that. But you want your EV subsidies. So you're only worried, dark Elmo, about the things that hurt you. But now you think you can regain the popularity that you lost because Tesla is hated all over the world. Nobody wants to buy them. That's part of the reason your stock is down. People are rejecting Teslas all over the world and you think you can get your cool points back by now being against Trump. It's so bad, and Elon is so thirsty to be cool again, that he's now re upped his Epstein file stuff. Look at this tweet. And I'm still calling them tweets. Sorry, Elon, I don't know what you call them. X posts or whatever you want to call them. He is now back going after the Epstein files, which, by the way, to be fair, Trump did promise that Pam Bondi, his Attorney General, was going to release, and he didn't do it. He promised that he was going to release the Epstein file so that everyone would know the truth about what Epstein was doing vis a vis powerful people may be bribing them using the tapes of the illicit acts that he had. But now all of a sudden, Pambani says, oh, wait, I hate to break it to you, maga, but there are no files that show that Epstein was bribing anyone. There are no Epstein files all of a sudden, even though Pam Bondi said they were on her desk. So now Mag is losing their mind, screaming in agony and crying into their ex Twitter accounts because they're not going to get the Epstein files, even though Elon said Trump is in them. So now we've got our girls fighting again. Our girls are fighting again. And Elon apparently wants a brand new party because he didn't get his Tesla subsidies. So now he's back to going about going after the Epstein files. An interesting development. I also want to show another thing that Elon Musk created that he paid for $250 million that he paid to put Trump back in office in order for Stephen Miller and Tom Homan and Pam Bondi, the puppy killer, to deport as many non white people as possible. 3,000 people a day. That is the quota that is demanded by Stephen Miller. This regime that is very reminiscent of white South Africa back in the day when Elon's family was there is now in place in the United States. I want to show you video of MacArthur Park. You know, MacArthur park is melting in the dawn of the sweet green icing. I don't know if it's that same MacArthur park, but it's got the same name and it is a lovely park where people go to hang out with their kids, they go to have a picnic, they go to hang out, they go to play soccer, whatever. Well, this is what happened at MacArthur park today. Ice raiding a park, a public park, trying to fill their 3,000 person a day quota that Stephen Miller has imposed upon them because he is so desperate to reduce the population of non white immigrants in this country. And they want it to be done with maximum cruelty. This scene of ICE agents running through the park like they're storming the beaches at Normandy looking to scoop up and grab non white migrants. Anybody who looks Hispanic, anybody who speaks Spanish, anybody brown or black, they're grabbing them off the streets and throwing them into white vans. People witnessed white vans in the area which were similar to the white vans that they've seen at other kidnappings. And I will remind you again that when these supposed ICE agents are accosting people and pulling them off the streets, they often do not show a badge, they often do not identify themselves, and they're often masked so no one knows who they are. And then if protesters interfere with them in any way, they. And touch them in any way, then they charge them with assault on a law enforcement officer. And that is the Vicious cycle that's been created. And they're doing it especially in blue states, in order to send a message. The message to non white immigrants, you are not welcome in Mag America. You either need to self deport or leave. I have a whole long list that I'm pulling for. Substack for joynreid.com for joy's house. Of all of these citizens who have been told they've been sent a letter saying you must deport yourself. You have to go. And they're also doing what you saw there. I do believe we have the mayor of Los Angeles, Karen Bass, on the line. Do we have her on the line? We do not. Okay, we're getting her on the line. We're going to talk really quickly to Karen Bass because we want to understand what happened. Karen Bass confronted those ICE agents and demanded that they leave. She waded into that crowd, a very scared and angry crowd of people who were enraged at what was being done in their city. This is a city that is under siege. There's really no other way to describe what's going on in Los Angeles. Donald Trump and the Department of Defense have sent Marines, United States Marines to Los Angeles. To do what? I don't know. Because the Posse Comitatus act prevents them from arresting American citizens or arresting people in U.S. soil or operating as if they're a foreign military on our soil. But they're there to be visible. ICE is raiding Home Depots. They've been seen at the parking lot at Disneyland. I'm not sure how many Ms. 13 gang members you're gonna find at the parking lot at Disneyland. They've raided parks. They've showed up at high school and elementary school graduations. They're showing up at people's immigration hearings where essentially judges are making people undocumented by denying their asylum request. And then they're getting tackled and arrested right then and there as they walk out of immigration hearings where they were going to try to get legal status because they were following the rules. And it is interesting to watch the people who are descended of colonized country who did not ask the indigenous people's permission to come and who also are living, in some cases in places that were Mexico, demanding that people, quote, do it the right way. Well, what is the right way? How would you prove that you are an American whose family, quote, unquote, did it the right way? Marco Rubio's grandfather didn't do it the right way. He was given a deportation order in the 1960s, and he ignored it and didn't get his immigration status right until 1972, approximately. Should he be deported? Should Marco Rubio, based on his grandfather having violated immigration law, should he be denaturalized because his parents are naturalized citizens? Vivek Ramaswamy has admitted on tape that his parents, neither of them were citizens when he was born. The right might call that an anchor baby. Both of his parents were foreign nationals and his father still is not an American citizen. His mother was not a citizen when he was born. If Donald Trump becomes displeased with Vivek Ramaswamy, is he going to be denaturalized? Donald Trump has already threatened to denaturalize and deport Elon Musk because now Elon Musk has separated from him because while he gets all those government subsidies which have made him a billionaire. To be clear, he wouldn't be a billionaire had he not overstayed, apparently, allegedly, his student visa, along with his brother who said that at one point they were quote, unquote, illegal aliens. That's what his brother said. He denies it. And had they not been able to do that and get lots of people to invest money in their business, they wouldn't be here. They wouldn't be allowed to be here. You're not even allowed to work when you're a student. So how is he here? How is Melania here? Melania got a genius visa to then come in and also bring her sister and her mom. How? How? Ted Cruz was born in Canada. Should he be here? His father was born in Cuba. Do we have Karen Bass? Okay, so we're going to tell you guys, we're going to have. We're going to have Karen Bass later in the show. This is all live and breaking as we go. So we are gonna go to our next guest because we do wanna talk more about the cruelty of these immigration arrests and what is being done in the United States in our name. And I wanna bring in Bishop William Barber. It is Monday, and so we call that a moral Monday. And so Bishop Barber has joined me now. Bishop Barber, thank you for being here.
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Joy Reid
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Joy Reid
Always glad to be here on this moral Monday. I want to ask you your reaction to these ICE raids. Because they really, to me, look like white. If you turn them black and white, it could look like South Africa in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s or something even worse. What do you make of it? As a man of God, as a pastor?
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Erica Party
Well, it's worse because of who we claim to be in America. And you literally now have the military joining these ICE agents turning on American citizens. You know, you have to go back to Selma. You have to go back to what we saw when dogs were turned on people in Selma or in South Africa. But this is worse. And in addition to this joy, even in Selma, the police didn't have on masks. I mean, we're literally talking about a mass police state, which takes you into racism. The Klan, you know, why are people having to wear masks? I was thinking about it. Today we don't even send our military into battle with mask on.
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Joy Reid
Right.
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Erica Party
And yet you have masked men and women or whoever joined with the military showing up and terrorizing these communities at the same time that every other day it seems like another group is being denied. Nicaraguans, Haitians. I mean, at some point, does this mean that we mask up everybody whoever goes out and does arrest, and we use this as another form of terrorism? In the Bible, you know, the word for mask is hypocrisy. Hypocrisy. And what we see is a fundamental hypocrisy when America is supposed to be an open state, not a police state, a free state, and not a police state. And yet we see this happening and we have Congress quiet, the Supreme Court quiet, and people allowing it to happen. Because right now it's under this lie that you have all of these dangerous brown immigrants that we've got to kick out. This is worse than when Eisenhower had Operation wetback in the 1950s and put Latinos on barges to float them down to Mississippi, back to Mexico. This is dangerous for all of us.
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Joy Reid
I will note, Bishop Barber, that the only other people that we see wearing masks in public are people who are trying to protect themselves from COVID which in many states like Florida is darn near illegal. Like, they've said that you cannot mask up to protect yourself from illness and disease. They're saying you have to accept people sneezing and coughing in your face because you are violating the rights of the coffer. If you want to wear a mask or put your kid in a mask at school. You can't mandate protecting people from disease with masks. That's one group of PVC masks. And that is frowned upon by maga. But then the second Group that I see marching around in masks are white supremacists. These neo Nazi groups that are turning up exactly on July 4th and July 5th, you saw them marching in Southern states. Ron DeSantis says nothing when they do it in Florida. They say nothing when they do it in Tennessee. These Republicans are silent about these people. They are now increasingly marching through American streets in large groups, all masked up. How would you tell the difference? If you were walking down the street and a masked person came up to you, how do you know it's not one of them? It's really impossible to tell because they're masked and these people are masked.
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Erica Party
Right. And you don't know. And that's the point. But think about it, Joy. A lot of these people have this kind of messianic idea about the old West. Interestingly, the sheriff and the only ones that wore the mask were the bad people. You know, they're the only one. And these folk glorify that past. But yet they want to mask up. Because really, the masking of these agents is really a metaphor for how they're masking all of this stuff. They're masking killing people by taking their health care, claiming it's fraud. They're putting masks on everything. They put a mask on their fight for voter supremacy, claiming that. I mean, voter suppression, claiming he's trying to straighten out the vote. So everything is a cover up. But the danger of it is, as you said, there are only two groups. You don't want me to mask for Covid, but you allow white supremacists to walk around. And the secret side. And you know, in the North Carolina Constitution, Joy, when it was written after the Civil War, they said secret societies are contrary to the American idea. This is secret society stuff. And all of us, I don't care who you are, what color you are, we have to stand against and challenge this kind of intimidation, interrogation. I come from the South. I know what it's like to see a Klan rally. I used to monitor Klan rallies. And I know that the reason why the Klan wore the mask most of the time is because two reasons for fear. But they also did not want people to know who they were.
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Joy Reid
Exactly. Exactly. And I want you to comment in addition to that, because. Right. The other masking that you're. That we're seeing out here is this. And it is working with right wingers. I see the MAGA comments. You know, if I write a comment, I get, you know, the first 10 comments are MAGA people who apparently love me because they are always the first, to comment on anything that I write, that they're saying that I'm lying when I say that people who are working, poor, the elderly, children, are gonna lose out because of this bill, this, what I call the big billionaire bailout, that they're essentially financing tax cuts for the super rich by gutting Medicaid, food stamps, meals on wheels, and other assistance to the poor and the elderly. And people go, no, they're not. They're only cutting people who are here undocumented. And they don't use the word undocumented. They use the I word, which, again, I've said it before. Public service announcement. If you describe people and you use the term illegal as a term to describe people, people get to say you're racist. I don't know what you think your intent was.
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Erica Party
That's right.
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Joy Reid
But you're just saying that you're racist. You're just identifying yourself as somebody racist. And just don't be mad when people say you're racist if you use that term to describe people. I'm just saying you can say it. We still have the First Amendment for now. But if you say it and use that I word to describe people, I'm just saying people gonna say you're racist, and then I can't help you there. But what do you make of this pretense, Bishop Barber, that the right and Republicans are pretending. I just heard a congressman do it this weekend in Coney island, lying to people and saying, oh, no, no, no, don't worry, the only people losing their benefits are undocumented people who weren't supposed to be on them.
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Erica Party
Well, you're right, first of all on the legal question, because from a moral perspective, who are you to call another human being illegal? But more importantly, our Constitution currently says whether any person who's in these United States, whether they're citizens or not, have a right to equal protection under the law. The Constitution doesn't describe them as illegal. It describes them as a person. Secondly, so much of this stuff has two masks on it that allows people to say what you just said. One is, for years and years and years, so many people made out that poor people was black people and brown people. So there's a racist undertow here. They don't say it out loud, but when you cut services, you're cutting it for those undeserving poor and the undeserving poor in the white Southern strategy language was black and brown folk, because what they didn't want was black and brown and poor white folk to connect together. So that's one thing. So when they see the cuts, they don't realize it's coming down your way, it's coming to your house. Secondly, when they claim that it's the immigrants, they become the scapegoat. And the lie is so deep and so persistent, one thing you have to say about MAGA and Trump is, is then they tell a lie. They don't give it up. You know, which is the ultimate con. You know, the ultimate rule of a con is never give up the lie. Just keep telling it and telling it and telling it. The problem with what they're doing now is in a few months, the lie will be death and exposure and hospitals closing and people being kicked out of nursing homes and people with diseases and children with terminal diseases being affected. This lie I don't believe is going to hold because there's too much death tied up in this lie. Yale and Penn did a study, said 51,000 people the first year will die. Hospitals are going to close in rural communities. In rural communities. And I saw Joy, what that does in Bel Haven when a former Republican mayor had his hospital closed after he voted for Trump and he ended up changing his tune and whatnot. But they saw what happened when we denied Medicaid expansion for years in North Carolina. What we have going on here is an attempt, and this is the ugly part about it, is policy violence and retrogression. Can I explain that for a second? This bill, which is a big, bad, ugly, deadly bill, is policy violence because they know it will kill people and they did it anyway. So it's like premeditated murder. Secondly, it's retrogression, because this is not keeping someone from having health care. This is taking their health care after they have had it, which makes it even worse. It's one thing not to have it, it's another thing to have it. And your life has gotten better and your children's lives have gotten better, and. And all of a sudden, somebody takes your money and gives it to the super wealthy and then cut your healthcare.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. And the thing is that they've done. You know, you're absolutely right. And they got people to agree to it because they. They lied to them about some really basic things. I've heard so many people who said, well, he's going to give us no tax on tips. But here's the thing, and I've said it before, and I will say it again. The tax cut for the super rich, the top 0.1%. I'm not talking about regular. I'm talking about the People who are so rich that they, they. People like Jeff Bezos who makes $12,000 a second every. He just made $12,000. You just made another 12,000, right? He gets a permanent tax cut forever. Okay, y', all, they have locked in the 2017 permanent tax cuts for Elon and him and Mark Zuckerberg and the rest of the. But you who have tipped income, if you make $2.25 an hour working in a restaurant, that is a general salary for tipped income, that's nothing. That's no money. The only way you get a temporary tax cut for two years, a temporary tax cut is if you earn enough money at your tipped job to file a tax form to pay taxes. Most people who work until a tipped income job don't make enough money to pay taxes because they're the working poor. So if you don't make enough money to file a tax return, you get zero tax cut. Same thing with Social Security. It's a temporary tax cut for anyone 65 years of age or older, but it's on all of your income, not just Social Security. It's a bait and switch. Nobody poor or working poor got a tax cut. All of it was bs And Bishop Barbara. I'm seeing people discover this, just like I'm seeing white business owners discover that their undocumented cook, cleaner, washer, lawn man, the guy who works at their construction site, that they're going to get deported. And now they're screaming bloody murder. That's right. All of this anger because they're realizing all of this hits them and that they get nothing in return.
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Erica Party
And that's may be the saving grace of all of this, is that the uncovering happens. People see all the death and destruction and they have to ask a question that was asked in the Bible by four lepers when they were fooled by evil policies. And that is, will we just sit here and die or will we fight for this tomorrow? Because literally signing this stuff on July 4th is raising the question, what does July 4th mean now to America? To poor at low wage? Does it mean that power is to be used to disestablish justice? That power is to use to hurt as many people as you can. That power is to be used to provide for the common defense of a few or the protect the general welfare of just the super rich. We are dealing with a fundamental question of who we are. And joy, what you just did, I want to say to politicians, y' all need to take a lesson. I said to Brother Jeffries the other day when he, he Quoted me talk when he said some people pray, pry, then they pray P R E Y. That's a quote we've been using for years. But I said to them that speech he did the other day, we need that one over and over again. But it needs to be explanation. It needs to be and really wish it could have been a month earlier, but it needs to be exclamation. Excellent. Exclamation, not exclamation. They need to explain what's going on, but then add to if you give us power again in the first 40 days, not 50 days. First 40 days, we will do this, this and this. We will rescind this. We will do this. Because what people have to know now is that if Democrats get power again, they're going to use it for real. For real. And not try to compromise with these folk. But really are going to. You give me power. We're not going to just tip your tax. Untax your tips temporarily. We're going to give you a living wage in the first place. And we're gonna actually vote on it and make it happen. If we have to use reconciliation, we're gonna do it. People need to know because we are literally in a war for the soul of this country.
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Joy Reid
We are. And I want to this brings me to another one of the Elon Musk I talked about at the top of the show dares to say that he wants to form another political party because of the waste and fraud in the big billionaire bailout that was for him because he's mad that EV subsidies got cut. So he gets hurt a little. Even though he's going to benefit, he's upset. The other thing that his made up fake agency, Doge, which again is not a real agency, it was literally invented by Elon Musk, who's not in the government. They cut a lot of things. One of the things they cut is the National Weather Service as well as noaa, whose job it is to predict storms and to warn people so that they won't die as a result of of natural disasters. I want to play just a little bit of a video. We got you for a long time. So I think I have a little bit of time to play this. This is a news package from a Fox tv, a local Fox TV station.
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Peter Beinart
In as you've grown accustomed to my presentations over my 34 years in South Florida newscasts confidently I went on TV and I told you it's going to turn. You don't need to worry. It is going to turn. And I am here to tell you that I am not sure I can do that this year.
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Joy Reid
Oh, wow.
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Peter Beinart
Because of the cuts, the gutting, the sledgehammer attack on science in general. And I could talk about that for a long, long time and how that is affecting the U.S. leadership and science over many years and how we're losing that leadership. And this is a multi generational impact on science in this country. But specifically, let's talk about the federal government cuts to the National Weather Service and to noaa. Did you know that central and South Florida National Weather Service offices are currently basically 20 to 40% understaffed from Tampa to Key west, including the Miami office, 20 to 40% understaffed. Now, this type of staffing shortage is having impacts across the nation because there's been a nearly 20% reduction in weather balloon releases, launches that carry those radiosondes. And what we're starting to see is that the quality of the forecasts is becoming degraded.
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Joy Reid
Okay. So that was not obviously the Texas package, but that was a year ago in South Florida, a very brave weatherman warning that last year or earlier this year, warning, I think actually, I'm sorry, in about January warning that the cuts to NOAA and to National Weather Service were going to be deadly, that cutting these agencies could be deadly. Now, I want to play for you the name of this package, letting my folks know here, the name of the package is FOX TV Floods. I want to play. This is FOX TV Floods. This is about what happened that follow that man's prediction. Take a listen.
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Mike Tobin
You are taking a live look here over Kerr county in Texas. As you can see, they are still dealing with extensive flooding. Sadly, we have learned that the death toll does continue to rise as a result of that extreme flooding they've seen over the past day or so. I do want to head out there live and bring in Mike Tobin with FOX News joining us here with the latest information. Mike, thank you so much for being here. I know a lot of the information is fluid, but officials are releasing more and more and have over the past hour or so.
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Bishop William Barber
They have over the past hour. And I can tell you in the past hour we've also seen the helicopters overhead. And one of the things that was released by the city manager is they're not going to go old school with boots on the ground. You can see behind me a lot of the the banks of the river that are now exposed because those flood waters have receded. They're going to put people there simply walking up and down the river. They've got information from locals as far as where Debris does collect when it floods and they're going to look in there for victims and hopefully some survivors. We know that 27 people now that's the official number of people who died in this flash flood. And 27 people are missing is the one solid number they have about people missing. And those are the girls who were at Camp mystic, the all girls Christian camp. And they have lost contact with the outside world.
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Joy Reid
We're going to stop there. And I want to come back to you, Bishop Barber. And that number of dead in Texas, I believe, has now reached about 100. And John Morales is the name of the NBC 6 weatherman at my old station, NBC 6 in South Florida. He's the weatherman who gave this warning and he gave that warning earlier this year and that has gone viral again because he warned that cutting NOAA and cutting NWS would have deadly results. We fast forward to these floods, Bishop Barber, and we have kids missing, children missing, parents going back to that camp and picking through rubble hoping to find their babies. This was a state and a county that voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump, overwhelmingly supported the idea of doge and I'm sure supported the idea of, of cutting the federal government and what they thought was waste, fraud and abuse. And here we are.
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Erica Party
What they thought was waste, fraud and abuse, federal government and the waste, fraud and abuse is because black and brown and poor white folk, poor white trash, as they call it, were getting things they didn't deserve, that somebody was cheating them and it was hurting them. Now what they're finding out is that was a lie. And they're going to find out that all of these things that have been put in place over the years came about to stop death. I mean, that's why you have everything, the progress, the Social Security, wages, labor rights, the protection with fema, all of these things were put in place. Joy out of the experiences of the past of people dying. It's almost as though Trump and MAGA and this group and these legislators have decided that they love money so much that they want to engage in survival of the fittest all over again. They want to experiment all over again, which is already proven. If you don't have these things in place, people die. My prayer, my moral prayer is take a moment. There's a scripture in the Bible where the centurion looks up and sees innocent Jesus dying and one time assert a sermon, said it scared him to life. I hate what's going on. It is ugly, it's immoral, it's mean, it's murderous, it's monstrous. But my prayer is that when hospitals close and people die, that it will scare this whole nation to life to see that when you play with a demagogue and, and a wannabe fascist and narcissists and neo fascists, this is what they do. They only care about themselves and their few friends and the rest of us don't really matter. And they will sell the farm just to possess things, money and things. That's the moral question. Because really, right now, we're being tested, America. We, I know we've always been tested. We've always struggled. We go forward, step backwards. But this is a moment that's really asking us, do we even want to aspire anymore to life, liberty in the pursuit of happiness? Because it seems like the only thing these folk won't joy is birth. They don't give a damn about life.
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Joy Reid
That's right.
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Erica Party
They just want birth. And if you can be born and they want a lot of white, you know, theirs to be born, that's it. Because when it comes to life, they'll cut your health care, they'll deny you food, they'll cut your weather services, they'll roll back money that's going to help stop the climate from being burned up. They only care about birth. And that is not what we're supposed to be ascribing to and trying to get to. We're supposed to be caring about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And that's the moral battle that we're in right now.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. I want to note that Ted Cruz, the senator, the junior senator, I believe, from Texas, was on vacation in Europe during the Texas flooding. Cancun Cruz, as we like to call him, from his past sojourn in Cancun, Mexico, they love to go to Mexico to vacation, although they're not fond of the people, apparently. And I will note that Mako, the wonderful president there, President Sheinbraum, sent assistance to Texas despite the indignity that's been heaped upon her country by Maga America. But she sent help. Ted Cruz was in Europe. And this is the way that it looks when you have an oligarchy. Bishop Barber is that the oligarchs are vacationing and he's sipping tea in Europe while his people were drowning. Rushed back in order to be at press conferences so that he could pretend to take credit. And. And all he had to offer Bishop Barber was thoughts and prayers. He was like, we should just. We should not be talking about the politics right now. We should simply be praying for those families. Well, yeah, we should Pray for the families. But you were elected not to pray. You know, he's not a bishop, he's not a pastor, he's a United States senator. And he's acting as if all he can do with all of the power of a member of a 100 person United States Senate who. All he has the power to do is pray. Bishop.
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Erica Party
But even Christians have to do more than pray because faith without works is dead. But what he does well is he praised P R E Y s through his policies. And here's the hypocrisy of that. You're in Europe, you come back, you do a photo op, but you don't challenge the problem to be fixed. Because oligarchs, when they push to the nth degree, only care about themselves, their money and their few. And the truth of the matter is, and your audience might want to hear this, you know, poor no wage people now make up 36 to 40% of the electorate in almost every battleground state. The only thing you can do with a committed oligarch when it comes to politics is get them out of office. They will not change. They run to do just what they're doing. The only reason they run is to take care of the budget. Steve Bannon said that the one goal they had, well, they had several goals, but one of those goals was to control the $5 trillion budget so that they could direct the $76 trillion of assets. Boom. And people need to understand they run for this. Everything is about how can we take this and give it to our wealthy group of friends. That's their whole political ideology. It's not about how to use power to make things better for other people. It's not about how to keep as many people alive as possible. You know, that's not their concern. It's not about diversity. And what we see here going on now is more than dei. This is deie policies. You die with these policies. And so we have to have an electorate that will come alive not only in our protest, but in our participation. And any of the politicians that are going to unseat these folk, you have to present a campaign of true life. You can't play and tiptoe around the edges. You have to let folk know you, if you give me power, this is exactly what we're going to do. One thing Trump has done, and he's like Jesse Helms in this, he said what he was going to do and he's doing it. He couched some of it in lies, but most of it he said he was going to do this, and he's actually doing it. And Democrats have to be the exact opposite in terms of saying what they're going to do and do it and go hard in the paint.
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Joy Reid
And the thing that Democrats do is they'll say they're going to do things, but as soon as they get in office, they then talk about the limitations of their power and they talk about what they cannot do because they want to play within the rules. Donald Trump threw the rules on the ground, stomped on them, and then decided that he was going to do it anyway, regardless of the rules, regardless of the courts, regardless of the law. And even when he's not doing it, really, the no tax on tips was a big promise. He's not doing that, but he's going to tell you he's doing it. He's going to pretend like he's doing it, and he's going to force Republicans to pass something in the bill that looks like he's doing it so that he can then go back and lie to his base and say, I did it. Promises kept. When in fact, you then look at your balance sheet at home, you look at your bank account, and you realize, he didn't do it. He didn't give you anything. My exit question to you, Bishop Barber, is what do you think causes people when they get the hurt? In some of these cases, they still can't leave the cult. They still can't walk away from worshiping this baal, this golden calf, Donald Trump, even when he's hurting them, when their employees are getting deported, when their neighbors, when they're saying, that was a good neighbor, they were a good man, all he was was a dishwasher trying to feed his family. Wow, that's terrible. And they still love Trump. What is binding people to this religion that MAGA is?
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Erica Party
Well, you know, so many falsehoods and mythology. You know, the mythology of racism, the mythology of needing a protector. You know, you hear people saying, we'd rather have a strong, crazy person because that'll make the other crazies in the world not touch us. You know, people have a tremendous capacity to endure abuse. But the other is also true. The abuse can go too far. It can cost too much. And while there are some that will never let go, many times there are those who will, and there's enough who will in the country combined together. What we're gonna have to do is organize this pain. If 16 million people lose their healthcare, you gotta organize that pain. If millions of people lose their snap, we've gotta organize that pain. If people lose their hospitals, you have to organize that pain. You got to go where they are. If people find out that tax was temporary, but you can't organize it just by saying, he did you, he lied to you. You have to up them and say, we're going to give you living wages and maybe tax on free on your tip, but we're going to do living wages. Imagine if Democrats had not gone with Republicans and actually passed living wages when we were fighting for it two years ago. Joy. Imagine if Democrats, when they had the power, had used reconciliation to do universal health care and not compromised and played the game. At some point, Democrats and others can't just say, why are the people holding onto the cult? They have to say, why can't we put a truth forth that's stronger than the cult?
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Joy Reid
Yeah, they should have passed Build Back Better. They left Build Back Better on the floor to pass an infrastructure bill for Joe Manchin to get his way and get more oil and gas drilling. And they promised they'd come back, they'd come back and do more climate. And then they never did. And they left the stuff on the floor that was for the poor, the needy, the helpless. And they said, well, you know, we couldn't do it because Joe Manchin wouldn't let us. That's not good enough. People want to see you exercise power. They elect you because they want to believe that you can change their lives. And when it turns out, well, I said I was going to do it, but here are all these intricacies of why I can't, then people stop. People lose faith in you, Bishop Barber. We will never lose faith in you, my friend.
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Erica Party
And it's not good enough. And it's not. And it's not good enough to say, well, we do better than them.
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Joy Reid
Right.
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Erica Party
If my truth can't un. Unpack a lie, then I need to check the truth that I'm telling.
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Joy Reid
Amen. Amen. It is not a Sunday, but you can always get an amen from me, my friend. Thank you, Bishop. Bishop William Barber, I know a lot of people would like for you to run for office. Any thoughts on the governorship?
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Erica Party
Well, said that about North Carolina, but I don't know if I'll run. I don't think that's my calling. But North Carolina is going to be an interesting place. We'll see.
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Joy Reid
It's going to be a very interesting place. We may have Lara Trump in the race running on the Republican side and Mr. Cooper, Roy Cooper running. It'd be interesting race. Bishop Barbara, we'll Bring you back for another moral Monday. Thank you, my friend.
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Erica Party
Take care.
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Joy Reid
Thank you. I wanna play for you guys really quick before we go to our next guest. Here is Donald Trump not taking responsibility. Let's recall this is the man who we just talked about, exercises all this awesome power and revels in the power that he exercises until there's a problem. Now here is Donald Trump not taking responsibility for these threats.
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Donald Trump
Government left key vacancies at the National.
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Erica Party
Weather Service or in the emergency coordination.
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Joy Reid
They did not. They did.
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Donald Trump
I'll tell you, if you look at that, that what a situation that all is. And that was really the Biden set up. That was not our setup. But I wouldn't blame Biden for it either. I would just say this is 100 year catastrophe and it's just so horrible to watch.
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Joy Reid
All right, we're going to, we're going to come out of that. That was Donald Trump on the tarmac and it's a little bit low. You couldn't hear it because of the audio. But yes, he was saying it was not me. It might, you know, probably it was Biden's fault that, you know, let's blame Biden. So you're super powerful. You're super, you're a super powerful autocrat until something goes wrong. And then the guy who you claimed brain was mush and who couldn't sign a piece of legislation without an auto pen, you claim the guy whose brain you say doesn't work, he did it. Okay, so he's so powerful that he can come back out of retirement as someone you said has Alzheimer's and be responsible for, for failing to react properly to the floods in Texas today when you're president. That's very interesting. Joe Biden has a lot of interesting powers. That must be the dark Brandon in him. Coming through. That is where we are. I want to note that Mayor Karen Bass, we were furiously texting back and forth and you see me here typing into my laptop here. We're trying to get Mayor Karen Bass online. She is moving and grooving, moving around the city because obviously she's got a lot going on. So we were not able to connect with her. Hopefully we'll be able to connect with her later or maybe for a later show. We weren't able to do it. I do want to talk about another thing that's going on. Autocrats tend to like other autocrats. They tend to want to be with them and be together and they tend to want to do business together. Beni Netanyahu is an autocrat. He has been the prime minister of Israel for something like 15, 16 years. He was prime minister when Hamas was elected to run Gaza. And he encouraged that election because he wanted to divide the Palestinian people so that you had those on the west bank run by Fatah, which is the organization that took over for the public, the plo, the Palestinian Liberation Organization. It morphed into something called Fatah, which is a secular Palestinian political organization. And then there is Hamas, which was born in the 1980s amid the uprisings over the continued expansion by the then Ariel Sharon government into Palestinian territory. And so the anger about that is what fueled the rise of Hamas. That people said, well, we want something new, we want something different. And so by the time we got to the elections that George W. Bush demanded that Palestinians have In the early 2000s, he demanded that they hold elections, insisted that they must hold elections. So they had elections, and Hamas won because Hamas were the ones who were giving out food. They were the ones who were opening schools, they were the ones who were helping poor people, people who are struggling, and this basically open air prison called Gaza. And so they got elected. Shocker. And then Bibi Netanyahu was like, great, let's take advantage. Let's divide these Palestinians so they never get a state. That's the bottom line. And he can keep allowing expansion in the West Bank. Do we have Peter Beinart? Because I think we have him. If Peter Beinart is there, let's bring him to the stage. We may not have Peter Beinart yet. Okay. Oh, okay. He's coming to the stage. So Peter Beinart, my good friend Peter Beinart, he does his own substack, which you should follow. He's a prolific writer, thinker, and educator on these matters. Peter Beinart is gonna join us to talk about the recent visit of Benjamin Netanyahu to the White House. He's visiting with Trump again. This is somebody who is an adjudicated war criminal. The International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants for him should he travel to an ICC country, a country that actually adheres to, to the icc, which the United States does not, nor does Israel, because of the adjudicated very likely genocide. They call it very likely genocide, but I think we all know it's a genocide in Gaza. Peter Beinar, thank you for being here.
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Donald Trump
Sure. Thank you, Joy.
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Joy Reid
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Donald Trump
Yeah, I mean, I think obviously Israel has a kind of political support in the United States that is really different than most other countries. And Trump and Netanyahu, even though they, there have been some spats between the two of them at the moment, kind of seem somewhat aligned since America entered Israel's attack on Iran. I think Trump wants to, he wants to cease fire in Gaza. He wants to be able to take credit for that. And I think this visit is about basically figuring out how they can kind of package that or kind of force Hamas into some kind of terms that Israel can then claim is a victory.
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Joy Reid
And what does a victory mean at this point? Because it seems to me that the devastation that has been wrought in Gaza, you really can't come back from that and create any sort of a peaceful coexistence in that region. All the hospitals are destroyed or damaged, the universities are all destroyed, the antiquities in Gaza all Destroyed. More than 10,000 children dead. Starvation now kicking in. A deliberate starving of the people of Gaza, which is part of the reason the ICC adjudicated it a likely genocide. You know, I don't even. What is the future at this point? A piece for what? A piece of. I mean, also, it doesn't seem that Israel is ever pulling out of Gaza.
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Donald Trump
Well, I mean, you're right. I mean, after this just unmitigated horror, there's a report from, from a British expert who studies this thing that says that he says he thinks 4% of the population of Gaza has been killed since October 7, which is the highest percentage of a population that has been killed in any war, any conflict since in this century. The travesty of it is that even Israel's own supporters now are acknowledging that Israel did not achieve its goals.
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Unnamed Republican
Right?
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Donald Trump
It destroyed, as you say, the buildings, the hospitals, the bakeries, the agriculture, left more amputated children than any other place on earth. But you know who's still there? Hamas is Hamas. And basically, if you listen to Israeli political discourse, they are acknowledging that even though Hamas won't be the formal government in Gaza, they're going to claim that some other group, maybe some Arab governments or somebody, some other people are running it. Hamas is going to be there behind the scenes. They're not going to be disarmed. And they were going. And Hamas will say, we won because we weren't actually destroyed, as Benjamin Netanyahu said we were going to be. So after all of this, after this slaughter beyond imagination, which even many Israeli born scholars of genocide, like Omer Bartov and Raz Siegal and Shmuel Lederman say now constitutes genocide, the aims of this war will not have been achieved. And they're going to package it as a victory because they're going to say that Israel restored its deterrent by bombing Lebanon and Syria in Iran. But in Gaza, Israel has lost.
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Joy Reid
Well, and they've expanded the war to Iran, which, you know, even the American people who are the most hawkish, don't want that. Like the idea of the United States being dragged into a war with Iran, we didn't start it, you know, Israel decided they want to start a war with Iran. What's that got to do with us? Right? And a lot of Americans, even on the magazine, you can go all the way to the far right and they agree with me on this. Like, they're like, this is not our war.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Joy Reid
What is, in your view? If you look at the way that Bibi Netanyahu is operating, it seems to me that he thinks that he, like Vladimir Putin, can play daddy to Trump. Because Trump is not an autocrat without a daddy. He has one daddy for sure. Vladimir Putin, who pushes him around whenever he wants. Bibi, in this little country, seems to think that he also is a daddy of Trump.
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Donald Trump
Yes. I mean, Trump is not very smart, right? And so he can be played by all kinds of people. I mean, we see this with the trade deals all the time, right? Trump says, you have to do A, B and C or I'm going to crush your economy. And then these governments come up with something. Turns out often it's basically meaningless.
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Unnamed Republican
Right?
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Donald Trump
But they sell it to Trump. As if Trump, yeah, you forced us. We're knuckling under. And then Trump Olympics, these tariffs, and it's all just total bullshit. So Israel, in a way, did its own version of this. Israel has been wanting to attack Iran. Israel basically got the US to make a series of demands on Iran that anybody who knew anything about this new Iran was not going to meet. It was never going to basically stop all enriched uranium. They basically gave their own intelligence estimates which were at variance with America's, that said Iran was on the verge of getting a nuclear weapon, even though that's what.
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Joy Reid
Not.
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Donald Trump
That's not what US Intelligence was saying. And then when they bombed, and then Trump thought, wow, they're getting all this credit. Look at all these things. They're blowing up. We gotta get in on that act. I gotta get the credit. We gotta blow some stuff up. We have even bigger planes.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
So he does this.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
But the key thing in terms of Israeli politics is that this is popular in Israel. The attack on Iran is very popular in Israel. The attack on Hezbollah was popular in Israel. So it gives Netanyahu the political space. He may think to basically go to a ceasefire in Gaza, which will. In which, essentially it becomes clear that Israel has not achieved its goals. But he'll claim, I've been so successful in these other places that now he can go to an election. And before that, he wasn't willing to do this to end the assault on Gaza because I think he thought it would politically doom him. Whereas now he thinks he may be able to win the next election.
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Joy Reid
Right. And the goal is to stay in power for life. I mean, it's clear that he, like Trump, wants to be in power for life for the same reason. Right. He avoids prosecution by remaining in power.
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Donald Trump
Yeah.
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Joy Reid
He's got corruption charges just looming for him and his wife.
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Donald Trump
Yes. And people always figure that once the war in Gaza ended, his coalition would probably crack apart and they'd have to go to elections. But now he feels like he's in a position to do that. And Trump has also been supporting him. Trump came out recently and said, you know, they should end this trial of Netanyahu. It's all fake.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
I mean, what a shock that Trump would. Would not. Would not support, you know, would be sympathetic to someone who was on trial for corruption. So Bibi's political situation has now given him, he thinks, perhaps the maneuverability to basically end a war that. That people have been saying should be ended for more than a year now, because people have known that the Only way to get the hostages out was to stop the war. And B, that the war was killing vast numbers of innocent people, and C, that it wasn't going to succeed on its own terms. But Netanyahu needed to get himself in the right political spot before he could basically accept those realities.
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Joy Reid
The other thing that this war has done is it's shifted. You know, the, the first week of, after October 7, 2023, there was tremendous sympathy for Israel. I mean, these kids who were at a concert were killed and people said, oh my God, this is horrible. And there was a wave of sympathy. And the minute they started killing and bombing en masse Palestinian kids, that was done. Because now you had Israel denying the media access to Gaza, not letting people see what was going on. But Palestinians were showing their own death, they were showing their own demise. They were, they were documenting what was happening to them. And the disproportionate, the just viciously disproportionate response shocked and alarmed a lot of Americans who said, no, this is too much. You know, this is not just, it's not proportional. And then there was also just sort of the intrigue. You know how it did some fantastic reporting that they weren't quite honest. It wasn't 1200 kids at the concert. It was a lot of IDF and a lot of police and it was a lot of mismanagement on their side. They had a year warning about this and did nothing about it and then took nine hours to respond. If you cared about these kibbutzim and these kids, where was the IDF to help them? There was a lot of questions that started to feel a little 9, 11 y, right? And so people started going, wait a minute. And then you just had this just absolute fury from a lot of particularly young Americans about us, the United States providing 2,000 pound bombs to bomb hospitals and schools, and then the lies about hospital, et cetera. To me, in the end, you've now had Israel completely lose its almost universal support among Democrats and Republicans politically in the us South Africa literally filed a genocide case against them and won. They filed an apartheid case against them and won at least one. At this level where it's at now, this has really harmed Israel in the eyes of the world. No, I mean, Bibi has won among right wing American evangelicals. They love this. But the rest of the world is horrified by this country now.
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Donald Trump
Right? This is another reason, I think that this, this destruction of Gaza is a strategic defeat for Israel because it's. The public opinion has been moving. Public opinion is already moving even before October 7th in the United States, particularly among young people away from Israel, towards more support for the Palestinians. But the rate, the acceleration has just been supercharged by this. I'm not sure that I've seen any, I can think of any issue besides gay marriage on which public opinion has now shift has shifted as dramatically. In 2013, Democrats favored Israel over the Palestinians by 36 points. They now favor Palestinians over Israel by 38 points. And it's not just Democrats. It's true that older Republicans still support Israel, but a plurality of younger Republicans now actually disapprove of Israel. So even this younger MAGA group, I mean, it's a very problematic political, you know, sensibility, as you and I both know, but its own particular kind of isolationist politics has, has, has coalesced around, around thinking that, yeah, that what are we doing basically allowing Israel to drag us into these, into these conflicts. And so the long term political consequences for Israel and its relationship with the United States, even in Germany, a country that is historically very, very supportive, Israel, you see Israel's support is absolutely plummeting. This is going to be a consequence for Israel for a really, really long time to come. And you know, and it's important to remember you mentioned the Palestinian journalists in Gaza. One day there will be Western journalists who go into Gaza.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
And when those people for, you know, who, who have a, you know, go into Gaza and walk through that utterly devastated area, think how Americans are going to react then when the cameras of mainstream American media can actually film this.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, indeed. And one of the consequences of that, because I want to swing back to US Politics for a moment in a very specific way in the city where you are in New York. So aipac, this incredibly powerful, almost disproportionately powerful entity, even though they don't always win on their elections and sometimes they fight fights they were going to win anyway. Like what they did in New York where they overpaid to try to remove Jamaal Bowman from a district that had been redistricted to make it more Westchester than the Bronx. And so that was probably going to be a seat that was going to be hard to hold onto. But they overspent. I mean, they went hard to do. They spent more money on that race than any other race to try to unseat Jamaal Bowman because of his support for Palestinians. They did the same thing to Cori Bush went whole overspend. In that case, she probably could have survived that seat, but they gave her opponent, Wesley Delta, unlimited money. I think their Number two, biggest spend summer. Lee. They tried. They couldn't get her. They tried, but literally everyone in the squad that they thought they could take out, they tried. They tried to go after aoc. Anyone who speaks in favor of Palestinians has got to go. They give a lot of money to Democrats and Republicans. Hakeem Jeffries. Lots of Democrats get money as well as Republicans. However, the attempts to, to demonize just anybody who's for Palestinians, not so effective because Zoran Mamdani, who is now the official Democratic nominee for mayor of New York, the biggest mayoralty in the United States, he survived all sorts of attacks trying to claim he's anti Semitic because in college he was a pro Palestinian protester. And they've tried to tie him to anything that people don't like about the language of those protests. Protest. What do you make of the fact that he has survived that and is on a good track to win anyway without Democratic Party support?
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Donald Trump
Yeah, I mean, it's astonishing, right, because Zaramdani is to the left and more anti Israel than even Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush. I mean, this guy, he's a supporter of the Boycott Divestment Sanctions movement. There's Bernie Sanders and aoc. Don't even take that position.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
He, he basically does not support Israel as a Jewish state. He supports Israel as an state with equality for all of its citizens. It's. It's remarkable. I think, you know, partly, you know, he's an extremely gifted politician. Yeah, he's. He's an extraordinary talent. He was running against Andrew Cuomo, you know, who was a sexual harasser, who, who basically is just somebody that, you know, nobody had really any enthusiasm for. Who.
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Joy Reid
Except the Democratic elite, Peter. The Democratic elite. They sent members of Congress out of state who don't. Weren't even from New York to all go and back Cuomo just to make sure that it was not going to be Mamdani.
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Donald Trump
Right, Absolutely. But it just shows how completely out of touch they were.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
You know, Mamdani was really captured, Cap. You know, captivated a lot of Muslim and South Asian voters who had never had someone who they could relate to in this way. He, he was very. You know, he started out his campaign by, by talking to people who had voted for Trump and basically talking about cost of living, which he made central to his campaign. But, yes, the other reason they couldn't defeat him on this was that public opinion has really dramatically changed on this issue. And even though he was constantly depicted Madani as a threat to Jewish New Yorkers, the polling showed that he got a significant percentage of the Jewish vote. I'm convinced that if you did a poll of Jewish New Yorkers who voters under the age of 40 that Mamdani want.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
So it just shows that we have a mainstream media discourse and a political establishment of the Democratic Party that has a discourse on this subject that is just more and more out of touch with the reality that actually exists among Americans.
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Joy Reid
Yes. And because, and I would bet the same thing. All right. Because every Jewish New Yorker I know voted for Madani and they did. Because I think there is this supposition I.e. trump does it, but then Democrats criticism criticize him for doing it. But then they do it assuming that every Jewish voter votes solely on whatever Israel wants in that moment, whatever that government is, whether that government is right wing or not, they vote that whatever Bibi Netanyahu wants, every American Jewish person also wants the same thing. And I think that is such a dangerous assumption for the Democratic Party to make. And they are acting as if everyone must be take the knee to Bibi Netanyahu in order to be a Democratic poly party politician. What Kirsten Gillibrand did. Kirsten Gillibrand was the leading voice to get Al Franken removed as a United States Senator over some bs I'm sorry for him taking pictures that they goofy pictures. And they made him seem like Jack the Ripper. And she led that drive to get rid of him when they needed his vote in the Senate. Yeah. And yet here she was, I guess, in favor of a guy who did worse. Andrew Cuomo. Allegedly. He denies it, but he's allegedly did worse. She'd rather have him than Mamdani. I, I and then said some things about him.
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Donald Trump
Yes.
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Joy Reid
Kind of skated close to defamation.
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Donald Trump
Absolutely. I mean, Right. And now, now some of you are going to line up behind Eric Adams. I mean, yes, it just shows that there's, this is the reason that I think that 2028 is ripe for a candidate who takes a more progressive view and full throatedly supports Palestinian rights. Because this is in a kind of a way a house of cards. It's true there's a lot of money behind it and powerful political forces. But these people like Kyoshin Gillibrand and Hakeem Jeffries and a lot of these guys, like, I don't believe they really believe this stuff for a second, to be honest. They just know that politically they've been told for as long as they ever since they entered politics that in order to survive you have to say a b C and D. And you don't say, you know, D, E, F, and G. Right. Whether you believe it, whether it makes any sense, whether it bears any relationship to the reality that people are seeing on their screens and, like, it's just not credible anymore. And when you have a candidate who's actually just willing to say some basic truths, which is like, Israeli, Jews and Palestinians should be treated equally, they both deserve to be safe. They both deserve to be free. We could be doing better things with our money than giving them to Israel to blow up hospitals and amputate children. You kind of burst through this, this, this edifice of bullshit. And people say, not just left wing, you know, young, quote, unquote, woke people, but most people just say, yeah, that sounds right to me.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. And I think the other piece of it, and this is the thing that we don't talk about in mainstream media at all, it just isn't something that comes up. And I think it needs to come up. A lot of Americans and a lot of young people are looking at the idea that somebody can get on a plane from, you know, get it going, get on a flight at Newark Airport, land in Tel Aviv, get on a car, drive out to the west bank and bang on the door of some Palestinian family and say, hey, people of my same religious Faith lived here 2,000 years ago, get out. This is my house now. And put a gun to their head and have the IDF back them up and help them evict this family. People are looking at the idea of settlers and settlements and saying, wait a minute, you can't do that. You can't make claims on these people's farms and olive trees. And they're standing there holding their 120-year-old deed to their farm and out in the street, because you said, what now? You can't. And I think people are looking at that and they're saying, this does not sound right to me.
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Donald Trump
Absolutely. I mean, you know, even in the west bank, which has got. Doesn't get much attention because of what's happening in Gaza, there's been just enormous amounts of violence against Palestinians who are basically totally defenseless because they don't have citizenship. The state that has life and death power over them is not responsive to them because they can't vote.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
They live under military law. They don't have an army and a police force that defends them. The army and police force defends the settlers.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
And I think also a lot of Americans, Americans understand that we're in a struggle here in America between the principle of equality under the law and the principle that basically this country belongs to one particular tribe.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
The white Christian tribe.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
And we're struggling desperately against that.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
And so it just doesn't make any sense for Democrats who say that this is what they believe in America, that you know, people should be treated equally to then turn around and say, okay, yeah, but a system of Jewish supremacy basically is okay in Israel, Palestine. Right. It makes no sense. And I think it's become more and more obvious to people in the as the years pass.
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Joy Reid
Why then do you say and you're you and I love talking to you about this because you're so forthright about it and your own struggle in your own family sometimes in trying to make these cases, you know, to people because people who are more conservative, older people, it's hard for them to get there. Right. To change their mind. Why is it in your view, does the conversation we just had, why do people deem it anti Semitic to be critical of Israel?
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Donald Trump
Well, because I think people conflate Jews with the state of Israel.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
And so if you're against the state of Israel, you're against Jews. Right. But it just doesn't make any sense. Right. We wouldn't say that because you have a problem with the People's Republic of China and you don't like the political system and you think they could have a better political system, that you're hostile to Chinese people. Right. Or that if you have a problem with the political system in Zambia or Kenya or Sudan.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
You're anti black.
- [69:22]
Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
It just doesn't make sense. These are states. States are self interested entities. They can often be oppressive regardless of whether they're what color and race and religion they are. And you have to be able to critique them, especially when it's in this case when our government is heavily, so heavily supporting them.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
And actually it turns out, as you know, Joy, it turns out that a lot of the strongest supporters of Israel actually in Europe, the United States don't like Jews very much.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
And because they are ethnonationalists who are like Jews are great when Jews are in their country, not great when they're in our country. You know, and so this is. But unfortunately, mainstream establishment Jewish leaders tend to make this conflation and I think too often politicians and people in the media kind of they buy is it's.
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Joy Reid
Such an important point to make that some of the earliest Zionists in Europe were not Jewish. They were Christian and they hated Jewish people and wanted them expelled from Europe and all sent over there. And the whole point was to get rid of them. It's similar to, to the people in the Abraham Lincoln era who were very much for the creation of Liberia, not because they liked black people, because they wanted to get rid of black people. Like, if we create a homeland for blacks in Africa, we can get rid of them.
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Donald Trump
Exactly. Right. So just like Marcus Garvey recognized that there was some commonality of interest with white racists who didn't want black people around. Theodore Herzl, the founder of Political Zionism, said that the anti Semitists will be our great supporters.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
Because they don't want those Jews. We don't want the Jews in Europe.
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Unnamed Republican
Great.
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Donald Trump
They've got another place to go.
- [71:02]
Unnamed Republican
Right.
- [71:03]
Donald Trump
And so it's not illogical.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
- [71:05]
Donald Trump
It's been this way for, you know, since the 19th century.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
But, but unfortunately, the mainstream media often doesn't recognize this. And what essentially happens is, you know, you and I know also that Jews have been generally overrepresented in these campus protests in, in the, in the protests on the streets.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
But because the connection. But the idea of being Jewish and supporting Israel is so strong that it's like those people don't get coded as Jews. They're not real Jews.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Joy Reid
They're bad Jews. They're so though they're bad Jews, they're not real. They're not real. I've heard it. The people say they're not real Jews.
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Donald Trump
So we don't need to care about. About them.
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Unnamed Republican
Right.
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Donald Trump
But then this is why people are surprised by Zoramdani, because all. There are a lot of those bad Jews and a lot of them really like Zoran Mandani. They're part of the reason he won.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. Peter Beinart, it is always a pleasure. Thank you. We've gone over time with you because it's so much fun talking with you. Please come back.
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Donald Trump
Absolutely.
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Joy Reid
And we will talk more. I appreciate you, my friend. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. I want to thank everybody. We went a little over time on the Joy Reid show tonight. Thank you all for hanging in. Let me call out a couple of our fun folks in the chat. Luke Dragon is in the chat. Angelus Revenge says nationalism is not a good idea. That is very, very, very true.
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Erica Party
Through.
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Joy Reid
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Donald Trump
Okay.
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Joy Reid
It.