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Joy Reid
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Joy Reid
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Joy Reid
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Get started today@stitch fix.com hey, hey, hey. Everybody had to get a glass of water a little bit on this Monday. Happy Monday, everybody. Welcome to the Joy Reid Show. Big up to everyone listening and watching on YouTube, on Substack and wherever you get your podcast. And be sure to hit that like and share and subscribe button to help spread the word and also, you know, help us out with the algorithm. The algorithm likes it when you push the buttons. Also bigging up everybody that's watching live on Instagram. I'm waving it y' all over here. But if you want the full experience again, you got to go to the joyreadshow.com which is the YouTube channel. But you guys are behind the scenes with me, so thank you for doing that. Also want to thank everyone who has joined Team tjrs. We love you guys. We're going to do another private chat with you guys very soon. We love chatting with you. You guys are so chatty. You have so many intelligent things to say. Now, of course, this is Moral Monday, which we do at the top of every month. And the theme on this moral Monday, which is the first Monday of the month of Novemb November, which of course is all, which of course is also Thanksgiving month, is the great disparity. The disparity between the haves and the have nothings. Now, we know that the United States of America is supposed to be the land of opportunity, but in reality, it has once again become the land of inequality, with fewer and fewer people legitimately able to claim being healthily and strongly in the middle class. And Donald Trump, our 79 year old geezer wannabe king, is happily, I would even say giddily presiding over this new Maga Gilded age. It is a Trump gilded age. A Maga gilded age where he and his billionaire pals party it up while regular folks lose their healthcare and possibly go hungry. We're gonna have a lot more on what's happening with Snap, especially in hour two of the show, but I want to start with Her Majesty's first interview on CBS since the Ellison father and son billionaire duo bought Paramount and gave Donald Trump a bribe of $16 million after he failed to show up for his 60 Minutes interview during the campaign. And then sued CBS claiming that 60 Minutes edited Kamala Harris's interview to make her look good. An untrue fact, at least about Kamala. Because as it turns out, the once August program edited their two hour, their almost two hour interview with Donald Jr. I mean not Donald Jr. With Don Sr. They edited it down to 28 minutes and left out the most embarrassing and uncomfortable parts to make Trump look good. But luckily for posterity, CBS posted the full 73 minute video and the transcript online which allowed folks to check their work. Now by the way, Trump's juvenile social media team also posted the full thing. Like that was some sort of a own to do that. But let's, let's go to our first clip. I want you guys to watch Donald Trump answering Nora o' Donnell's question about his corruption. This is a one.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
But in a true social post from September addressed to Attorney General Pam Bondi, President Trump endorsed the idea that former FBI Director James Comey and New York Attorney General Lat Letitia James were quote, guilty as hell and wrote quote, justice must be served. Now five days later, James Comey was indicted. He pled not guilty and so did Letitia James and President Trump's former National Security Adviser John Bolton. Is this retribution or not?
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Donald Trump
It's the opposite. I think I've been very mild mannered. You're looking at a man who was indicted many times and I had to beat the rep otherwise I couldn't have run for President. They tried to get me not to run for president by going after me and by indicting me.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
So far this year, the President has pardoned or shortened the sentences of more than 1600 people. The latest pardon was for a cryptocurrency tycoon who is known as cz. The company CZ founded, Binance helped boost the profile of the Trump family's crypto firm, World Liberty Financial. He pled guilty in 2023 to violating anti money laundering laws. The government at the time said that CZ had caused significant harm to US national security, essentially by allowing terrorist groups like Hamas to move millions of dollars around. Why did you pardon him?
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Donald Trump
Okay, are you ready? I don't know who he is. I know he got a four month sentence or something like that and I heard it was a Biden witch Hunt.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
In 2025, his crypto exchange, Binance helped facilitate a 2 billion dollar purchase of world Liberty Financials Stablecoin. And then you pardoned cz. How do you address the appearance of pay for play.
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Donald Trump
Well, here's the thing. I know nothing about it because I'm too busy doing the other.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
But I can only tell you that.
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Donald Trump
I can only tell you this. My sons are into it. I'm glad they are because it's probably a great industry, crypto. I think it's good, you know, they're running a business and not in government because you were.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
World Liberty Financial has denied any involvement.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
So. So, by the way, first of all, there are a few things about this. This was a 73 minute interview. And I think you should wonder why CBS didn't just play that out rather than have Norah o' Donnell go back over it and fill it in to sane wash it to make it more coherent by filling in. She interviewed him for 73 minutes. Why not just play it all the way through? That would be one question that I would have if I was looking at CBS and Bari Weiss and her new operation. And the second thing is, they're trying to, they're filling in like the same details. But here's what the Daily Beast reported because it turns out, you know, that toward the, the end, this, this part that you just saw came toward the end of the interview, which was at Mar a Lago, where Trump was doing his super party Halloween birthday extravaganza this weekend, Right? So according to the Daily Beast, toward the end of the interview, Nora o' Donnell says to Trump, may I have two more questions? And now I'm going to read a little bit from this Daily Beast story. I don't have it in front of me, but I'm going to read it from here. And it says here, Trump, she asked, can I have two more questions? To which Donald Trump says, that means they'll treat me more fairly if I do. I want to get now is good. Okay, Those might be the ones I didn't want. I don't know. Okay, go ahead. So he says a sort of incoherent rambling thing where he's like, all right, go ahead, ask me about the question. And then Norah o', Donnell, she goes ahead and she asks the question that you just heard. She gets the answer that you just heard. But then per the Beast, o' Donnell again asks if Trump is concerned about the appearance of corruption over pardoning this guy CZ due to his links to the Trump family. The transcript reveals that. And the database reports that Donald Trump then gets annoyed. And he says, I can't say because I can't say. I'm not concerned. I don't I'd rather not have you ask the question. Question. But I let you ask. Just came to me. You just came to me and you said, can I ask another question? And I said, yeah, this is the question. So he's getting upset after already agreeing to let her ask another question. And then he gets mad because she asks the question he starts to answer, and then he says, well, o' Donnell cuts in, and she says, and you answered. I. You asked. You said, I asked for another question, and you answered. And then he continues to say, I don't mind. Did I let you do it? I could have walked away. I. I didn't have to answer this question. I'm proud to answer the question, you know, why we've taken crypto. And then he starts doing his sales pitch about crypto again because she interrupts him again to presumably repeat the question. And then Trump says, excuse me, excuse me, which is the thing we know, he says before continuing his sort of crypto sales pitch. Now, that interaction, that exchange where Donald Trump gets, like, visibly angry and irritated because she's asking a very logical question about whether he is making money off crypto and then pardoning the person that helped he and his sons become billionaires, that would have actually been newsworthy, but they didn't air that. It goes to show that Trump is getting something out of this deal with cbs. He's getting something out of this change of ownership to his friends the Ellisons, and to Barry Weiss, who he also praises later and says, oh, she seems like a great person. I've never met her, pretends he doesn't really know her, but, oh, I've never met her, but she's super pro Trump. And that exchange, which would have showed him, you know, kind of crashing out over being confronted with his own corruption, that didn't make the cut. Now, again, Trump sued CBS for supposedly doing that kind of thing for Kamala Harris. But when CBS ultimately aired the full, unedited Kamala Harris interview, there was nothing like that in there. So now he gets bribed $16 million off of lying about CBS editing interviews to make Kamala Harris looks better, and then to reward him and to make sure that he stays friendly, they edit a video to take out the crash out parts of his interview. Okay, no problem. And also, by the way, they posted the full interview and they posted the transcript, but they didn't post that. Let's see, what else made it into Donald Trump's interview. And by the way, there were some questions in this interview that I was embarrassed by as a Journalist, One of them being who's harder to deal with, Mr. President? The president of Russia or the leader of China, Xi Jinping or Vladimir Putin? Like that was actually a question that was asked. At a certain point I was like, I got to stop listening to this. But here's a question he was asked about Zorhan Mamdani and it's a weird exchange as well.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
Zorhan Mandami, 34 year old Democratic Socialist.
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Donald Trump
He's the communist. Not socialist, communist. He's far, he's far worse than a socialist.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
Some people have compared him to, to a left wing version of you, charismatic, breaking the old rules. What do you think about that?
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Donald Trump
Well, I think I'm a much better looking person than him. Right.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
But what if Mandami becomes mayor?
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Donald Trump
It's going to be hard for me as the president to give a lot of money to New York because if you have a communist running New York, all you're doing is wasting the money you're sending there. So I don't know that he's one and I'm not a fan of Cuomo one way or the other. But if you it's going to be between a bad Democrat and a communist, I'm going to pick the bad democrat all the time, to be honest.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
So, so, so I have to stop there. He just called Zorhan Mamdani, who's a Democratic socialist, which isn't even a socialist, a communist twice with no pushback from the journalist sitting in front of him. He corrects her and says he's not a Democratic socialist, he's a communist, which is a lie. And then he calls him a communist a second time. And by the way, Donald, is he a communist? Really?
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Joy Reid
Can I just show you.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Jason, can you pull up? This is a four. I want to show Donald, just for a reminder, this is the one still from their new Department of Labor ads. Because you know what, that ad, it kind of is giving something. It reminds me of the old Soviet Union propaganda posters from back in the day. Take a look. This is a 5. Take a look at this poster. Doesn't that look similar? I mean, Trump says that Zora Madani is a communist, but that ad looks a lot like his ad. Now the other day when we did this on the show, we talked about the fact that it also kind of looks like the Nazi propaganda ad. Let's put one of those up. This is a six. You know, their little Department of Labor ads with the sort of perfect, you know, Aryan specimen saying defend your homeland. It kind of looks like that, but I don't know. You know, I'm starting to think it might look more like the communist one. Can we put up another one? This is the Soviet propaganda ad. This is a seven. Because I don't know, I'm starting to think maybe I was wrong. You know, y' all in the chat. Let me know, does it look more like the old Hitler ads or does it look more like the Soviet ads because Trump says the other guy's a communist? Just saying. Now, meanwhile, when Trump isn't wigging out on his truth social and threatening to literally invade Nigeria, which apparently Nicki Minaj is excited about, he's threatening to invade Nigeria when he's not doing that with boots on the ground or doing a tacky remodel of the White House bathrooms to put, like, all sorts of tacky marble in them or destroying the east wings to build his Epstein ballroom and fear bunker. He and his Republican friends are jacking up your health insurance premiums. Health insurance. The exchanges open enrollment opens this week. And a lot of people are. They're going on and they're logging on and they're getting serious sticker shock and really panicking about it. Kind of like the sticker shock that you might feel about what you're paying to fly Donald and his entourage to Mar A Lago for their Gatsby party because you also paid for that. Marco Rubio, all the cabinet members flew down there. Who do you think paid to get them down there? And by the way, it's a million dollars to get in to be a member of. Of Mar A Lago. So there's that as well. And this is a. A party who is allowing TSA agents and federal workers to not get paid. While everyone at that party was literally getting paid, everybody sitting around that table at the Great Gatsby party, they were getting paid. While food stamp EB cards potentially are running dry today, we're going to have more breaking news and more news on that in the next hour. And by the way, why are they running dry? I want to bring back my favorite chart. This is the chart. We've used it several times on the show. And big ups to Karen Phinney for providing it. This is the fact. And I will remind you for the 125th time that Republicans back in 2017 passed this gargantuan, enormous tax cut that primarily benefited multimillionaires and billionaires in 2017. Claiming that the tax cut was temporary, would only last 10 years. So. So that it would be the thing in the middle. It would only, quote, unquote, cost you $1.7 trillion. Just like when Obamacare passed back in 2010, Congress made the federal premium support payments to people who buy their health care through the exchanges. They made that temporary as well to make the budget work. But when Republicans passed Trump's big, ugly bill on his orders, he demanded the bill be passed and he called it beautiful. The whole point of that bill, and honestly, the whole point of the previous election, was deregulation of the oil and gas industry so they could run amok and drill up our country. And that tax cut, that was why they were so desperate to get in. It's why Elon and everyone else was behind them, because they wanted to make that thing permanent at a cost of the red bar. $4.7 trillion that your grandchildren's grandchildren will have to pay for. But they're refusing to make the premium support part permanent too, which is the blue bar, $300 million or 3 trillion. So they're saying the blue bar is too expensive, but the red bar is beautiful. That's literally why this government is shut down right now, because Democrats are saying fair is fair. You have to let the regular folks get something permanent too, just like the rich people got. And Republicans said, no, let the premiums rise so that we can kill Obamacare. Essentially demanding that Americans who aren't rich and who are increasingly unemployed and standing in literal food lines, demanding that they choose between healthcare and food. Joining me now is Chiquita Brooks Lashore. She is the former administrator for Medicaid and Medicare services. Thank you so much for being here.
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Chiquita Brooks-LaSure
My pleasure. Thank you for having me.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
So talk about what the short term and long term pain looks like if those premium supports are not extended.
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Chiquita Brooks-LaSure
Well, you started talking about just how, where we got, how we got here, that earlier in this year there was a massive tax cut passed. In addition, when that massive tax cut was passed, a trillion dollars was taken out of Medicaid and ACA coverage with a lot of provisions that basically made it harder for states, hospitals and people to get Medicaid dollars. So now we're fast forward, we're talking about the ACA subsidies expiring. And we just started open enrollment. It started November 1, where people are starting to look. And I want to talk a little bit about who these people are. These are people who work who are right above the Medicaid level. So they're not eligible for Medicaid and they are not offered coverage from their employer. Doesn't mean they're not working. It just means their employer isn't offering them affordable coverage.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Like just to, just not to interrupt you, but you're talking about like people who are freelancers, like makeup artists, hair stylists, people own a hair salon or in a small business people, Uber drivers, Lyft drivers, people who are delivery drivers for Amazon. People who basically they work every day, but they work for a company that either doesn't provide them health care or doesn't provide them sufficient coverage. And so they're having to purchase through the exchange to get fully covered. Is that, that's what you mean?
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Chiquita Brooks-LaSure
That's exactly what I mean. And it's particularly people who have left their employers and said, I want to start my own business. You know, I, a couple weeks ago sat next to A young woman, 29. She does artwork for, with children. And so she works for herself, supports her brother who has severe disabilities, is on Medicaid, but she is an ACA tax credit recipient. And I want to tell you just a little bit about what these, these enhanced tax credits did because while I was administrator during the Biden administration, they were, they were passed. And we went from people being able to afford coverage to really being able to afford coverage. I spoke to a woman who, her tax credits, when the subsidies had been passed, her premium went down $70. And she had just been diagnosed with diabetes, had been had to take medications. Those medications were $50. So now she's able to afford the medications that she needs. That's what this has meant to people. Small business owners. Talk to a couple who in their 50s, where before the ACA. The ACA is behind me. I was part of expansion before that. If you had a preexisting condition, you might not be able to be covered. And particularly for people 50 to 65.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Right.
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Chiquita Brooks-LaSure
It made coverage affordable for them so they could leave their jobs and start their own businesses. And that was this couple who both of whom ended up getting cancer. But because they could afford these enhanced subsidies for middle class families, they were able to afford their coverage.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Right. And I think for people to understand, like if you have a regular job, right. And first of all, even if you got a job, but it takes six weeks for you to get covered. Because sometimes you don't get covered right away. You need something supplemental. Right. So I've been a freelancer from time to time, but most of the time when I was freelancing, you know, Jason had a full time job. So we were on, we would shift stuff from when I was a freelancer, you know, I was on his insurance and we would do it that way and so play back and forth. Now that we are doing this independently, you know, starting at the top of the year, we're going to be insuring ourselves and we're going to have to have our small company take out that, you know, ACA type of insurance. The thing about it is what people don't understand. If you're a small business person, the cost of an insurance policy, first of all is enormous. It's huge. Without the subsidies, most people really couldn't start a business because the cost of insurance alone would force them to go back and get a job. Right?
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Chiquita Brooks-LaSure
Absolutely. And we don't want that for our country because we don't want people to feel like I cannot stay, I can't leave my job only because I care about my health insurance. You just have things that happen in your life. You want to be able to say, hey, I want to move across the country and live near some so and so or what have you. So many things happen in our lives. And so for your health insurance to only be linked to where you live can be, really, can be detrimental to our economy. That's the thing. Health care is so important to our economy for people to be able to make these decisions. And every type of coverage is subsidized by the government. Right. So if you have employer sponsored insurance, I do. Right. My the employer gets a tax break and you as an individual get a tax break. It's Medicaid is paying, Medicare is paying, the government is paying, the ACA is the same. You need to subsidize coverage to make it affordable. That's just part of how healthcare has worked in our country. And so by not extending it again, it's it that the enhanced subsidies made sense, such a difference, particularly at the lowest ends and the higher ends. So people who are firmly in the middle class business owners made it more affordable for them to, to buy coverage. And if they made more money, not have to worry that they're going to owe thousands of dollars left, just to give you one example, there are going to be people who are at the higher ends who can are going to owe $22,000. That is an awful lot of money even if you think their incomes seem high. Right. And then at the lower end, people who are right above the Medicaid level, they are working, they are trying to make ends meet, but probably juggling multiple jobs. You get an extra shift, you lose a shift. Just so many things happen at those, those income levels and the coverage has become so much more affordable. We got 24 million Americans covered with the lowest uninsured rate that our nation has ever seen. We made incredible progress during the Biden administration. And that is what Democrats are fighting for to say, you know, right now, costs are going up for everybody across the board, across our economy. And healthcare is so crucial to people and, you know, really trying to make sure things work for the American people.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Yeah. And I think it's especially cruel at a time when a lot of people are being forced to start small businesses because they're getting laid off. Thousands and thousands of federal workers are being shown the door by Russ vote. And this administration, you've got a lot of family farmers that are. They're a small business inherently because they are an independent business. They have ACA subsidies. What do you make of the. The added cruelty of the idea that they're going to make health insurance unaffordable at the same time that a lot of people who are probably going to get forced on to SNAP now won't have that either because they don't want to fund that either.
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Chiquita Brooks-LaSure
I cannot believe the decisions around snap. I mean, there have been shutdowns throughout our nation's history. We've had many. No administration has ever interpreted the law to say that SNAP should not continue. And then it's very clear, it's very clear that the judges told the administration they need to keep paying snap. I am not a SNAP expert. I was talking to a SNAP expert earlier today. She was reminding me that it's actually harder to administer the way they're doing it. They're making it more cumbersome rather than just paying people, providing the benefits as they are. That's the simplest thing to do. And as we've seen, this administration has made all sorts of decisions that are quite questionable and unprecedented about what they are allowing to continue versus what they've stopped. Uh, and so I, I think the double whammy of SNAP and then healthcare coverage is, is. Is really devastating to so many working families in this country.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Uh, Jason, if you could put up a 11 again, I would just show it just one more time. I cannot show this chart enough. I feel like this chart. I should make a T shirt with this chart. That is how much the blue bar is, how much it would cost to extend these subsidies. It's nothing compared to the red bar, which they were like, is perfectly affordable. Chiquita, Brooks Lasure, thank you so much for being here. We appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you very much. I want to remind you all that it is only the administration that is in charge of whether or not they release this funding. The funding, the $5 billion emergency fund, is meant for this kind of an emergency. And they're refusing to do it, even though not one, but two judges told them they have to do it. And now they're saying, okay, we might do it, but we can only issue partial payments to people three weeks before Thanksgiving. And you will recall that this is the administration that got a lot of black folks to vote for them by having Donald Trump hold up the stimulus check that Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats passed, which he opposed. He held it up so he could put his name on it. And a lot of people voted for him because of that stimmy. But all of a sudden, this isn't a stimmy. This is literally food for kids. They're like, I don't know, not sure we can afford it. Let's take a moment and pay some bills, shall we? Because we have a great sponsor for this show, MSI Reproductive Choices, and we want to thank them for sponsoring the show. They are a really wonderful nonprofit that provides reproductive health care in 36 countries around the world. Now, you need to know about their work because it's really, really important. In sub Saharan Africa, 4 million teenage girls drop out of school every single year because they get pregnant. It's a real thing that happens in the real world. Teenage girls get pregnant, but in too many places, they have no access to birth control, so they couldn't have prevented getting pregnant in the first place. There were no options for that. There's no information about it. And once a young girl gets pregnant in some of these countries, most of them never go back to school. In fact, only 5% do. A lot of them risk their lives trying to end the pregnancy so that they can have lives and go back to school. And a tragic number of young girls die in the process. But there is hope. MSI Reproductive Choices, they are out there doing the work. They're traveling to remote places to bring girls contraception and health care and control over their own lives and futures. And this is a group that is the real Dear Charity Navigator, which is a group that rates charities, and another group called Candid, have both rated MSI high quality, for efficiency, for impact, for the quality of care. And here's how you can help. For just $26, you can give one girl contraception for four whole years. That is four years to stay in school, follow her dreams, maybe start a business, build her future in the US if you want to give and you want to support them, you can go to MSI United States.org and your gift is tax deductible. So that's M for modern, S for safe, I for informed. MSI United States.org you can also text my name read that is Reid to 511511. So if you text Reid read to 511511 you can give that way as well. Go to MSI United States.org let's just give these girls a chance. And text fees may apply if you choose to use the text option. Okay, let's get back to the show. I want to play you another clip from that not so great 60 Minutes interview post a CBS Trump bribe. This is about border crossings. This is B1.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
Dual crossings at the southern border are at a 55 year low. More recently, Americans have been watching videos of ICE tackling a young mother, tear gas being used in a Chicago residential neighborhood, and the smashing of car windows. Have some of these raids gone too far?
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Donald Trump
No, I think they haven't gone far enough because we've been held back by the, by the judges, by the liberal judges that were put in by Biden and by Obama.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
You're okay with those tactics?
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Donald Trump
Yeah, because you have to get the people out. You know, you have to look at the people. Many of them are murderers. Many of them are people that were thrown out of their countries because they were, you know, criminals.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
Well, you promised in your campaign that you were going to deport the worst of the worst, violent criminal rapists.
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Donald Trump
Well, that's what we're doing.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
A lot of the people that your administration has arrested and deported aren't violent criminals. Landscapers, nannies, construction workers, landscapers. Now look, look, the family of Uncle.
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Donald Trump
Landscapes and I need farmers more than anybody.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Okay?
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
Is it your intent to deport people who do not have a criminal record?
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Donald Trump
We have to start off with a policy. And the policy has to be you came into the country illegally, you're going to go out. However, you've also seen, you're going to go out, we're going to work with you and you're going to come back into our country legally.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
When will you declare mission accomplished on immigration?
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Donald Trump
Well, it takes a long time because, you know, Probably I say 25 million people were let into our country. A lot of people say it was 10 million people. But whether it was 10 or I believe I'm much closer to the right number of the 25. Many of them should not be here. But we're cleaning up our cities. You know, I can't.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Okay. I don't even know where to begin. First of all, you should really interrupt it when he's just making things up. It is clear that this regime has detained US Citizens, military veterans, kids on their way to high school, moms dropping off their kids to elementary school construction work. The things she was started to say, but she didn't follow up on it. And I just want to show you guys a little. This is a little montage of the things they've been doing. And I just want to warn you, the third video in this is actually really, really challenging to watch and disturbing. But let's take a look at what they've been doing. This is what Donald Trump has been doing that he says is not going far enough. This is B2 from here.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
What's here?
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
What country? Were you born here?
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Was you born here, ma'?
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Am? Get up, get up, get up, get up. That's what they're doing, and there just is no justification for it. And by the way, if you're for that, we are not on the same side. They are racially profiling folks. That first video was them, literally these feds walking up to brown people and saying, where are you from? What country are you from? And in the third case, where the child is screaming because their mother got. She couldn't, under pressure, recite her Social Security number fast enough, and that is why she was thrown on the ground, tackled, and detained. That is what Donald Trump is doing. Not a rational, normal policy. I also want to correct another one of his facts where he claims that the people who came into the United States during the Biden administration were all let out of insane asylums and kicked out of their country because they were criminals. Also a lie. A complete and utter lie. But we're going to tackle that with our guest. Joining me now is Kika Matos, and she is the president of nilc, an organization that is working to make immigration fair. And just thank you so much for being here.
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Joy Reid
Thank you for having me.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
And let me make sure I'm pronouncing your name correctly. What is. How do I pronounce your first name properly?
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Joy Reid
Got it, Right, Kika?
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
I got it. Okay. So thank you. Well, let's talk about what Donald Trump claims. He claims that 25 million people came into the country undocumented. I hate the term illegals. I actually think it's just the N word for brown people. So when I hear somebody say illegal and put an S on the end of it, I just think you're just saying the N word to me about brown people. That's just my opinion. But how many people came into the US Approximately undocumented during Biden, do you know?
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Joy Reid
So it depends on who you talk to there. Before Biden, there were an estimated 10 to 11 million people who, who were in this country without status. The number of people who came in under Biden were in the low millions, certainly not 25 million. The average time that somebody has been in this country with undocumented status is actually 15 years. Right. So add the 15 years average for the 11 million and then we had a few million people that came in under Biden. So it's definitely not 25 million, nowhere near 25 million that he's claiming. That's just a blatant lie to try to scare people.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
And let's talk about the pull and push of that because it's not as if 25, you know, even if, let's say it was 25 million people, it's not as if 25 million people are like, ah, now I've got my plan. I'm going to come in to the United States and then I'm going to become a serial killer. I'm going to start, you know, raping, robbing and murdering. Like, if there are 25 million people here, it's because there were 25 million jobs that needed doing. People come in because there's work and it's pulling them in. Right. And because they have or they have family here that are pulling them in. And when people come, they have like the highest rate of labor participation in the whole country.
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Joy Reid
Yes. And here's the thing right there, very few pathways for legalization here. That's part of the problem with, with the immigration system right now. It's broken. It hasn't been filled, fixed since 1987. Think about that. And the people come here to work. Right? Some of the people who are here are people who are seeking asylum. It takes three to four years for your case to work their way through the system because we have a huge backlog of cases. And the myth about the criminality, because Donald Trump likes to talk a lot about these, this marauding group of 25 million who are lawless and they're a bunch of thugs. Well, if you look at the statistics, one of the first things that will jump out at you is the fact that immigrants commit a lower rate of crimes than US Born Americans. So not even that holds true. And I will say to the video that you showed where he's saying that again, it's these immigrants who are here are the ones that ICE is going after, are criminals the people who are now in detention, 75% of them have no criminal history. So that's another lie. They are grabbing brown and black people, they're violating their constitutional rights, they're beating them up, they're shoving them in detention centers, and they do not care whether or not you have a criminal history dispute, despite the lies that he keeps perpetuating.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
And the other piece of it is that people are just disappearing and their families don't know where they are. And in some cases, they turn out to be US citizens, but they just happen to be brown. I'm assuming your heart must have sunk when you saw that our Supreme Court said effectively that racial profiling is fine and that if somebody, I mean, I've seen video of traffic stops where they're literally determining if the truck driver has an accent and if they have a US Sounding accent, they let them drive on. And if they have a Latino sounding accent, they stop them. I mean, that sounds like apartheid South Africa in the 80s.
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Joy Reid
This administration's immigration agenda is racist. This is about making America white again. And the racial profiling that you're talking about, right, it's happening everywhere. And ICE is lawless and reckless. They have been given the green light as well as Customs and Boredom Patrol to roam around our streets and kidnap people. What's happening, I call it what it is, which is kidnapping. They racially profile people, they harass them, just like in that video. They pick them up, they brutalize them, they shove them in the detention centers and they try to get as many people as they can. Now, here's the insidious thing about racial profiling. This came out of a temporary restraining order that a judge in California issued because of the level of lawlessness that Customs and Border Patrol and ICE was engaging in in la, they were specifically targeting Latino neighborhoods and they were going to places like Home Depot. Right? They were looking for places where they knew they would find brown people and they would jump out of the back of trucks and immediately start rounding up immigrants. So this judge issues a temporary restraining order and Judge Kavanaugh lifts it and says, well, this is just an inconvenience. Right. For these brown people, right? That's just. Of course, there's a correlation between where they live and your documented status. So for those brown people who have been subject to this, it's just inconvenient. Easy said. For somebody who will never know what racism and racial profiling feels like.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Well, I mean, in the idea that you can tell if somebody's documented or not based on their accent, I say, bring me Melania Trump's papers. Because I can barely understand anything that woman says. And she's been in this country or transfer his wife. She had a deep accent. And so the reality. And I can honestly barely understand what Donald Trump says. He barely speaks English either. I mean, my godmother has been a United States citizen and since the 70s. And she has the thickest Jamaican accent. If you can't understand a thick Jamaican accent, good luck with that. She's an American. It's like, that is not the way you tell. Because otherwise they would have kidnapped Melania a long time ago. No.
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Joy Reid
Well, except she's white. And there you go targeting for. For the immigrants they're looking for. They look like you. They look like me. Right. They're brown and black people with accents. If they get them to open their mouth, Right. My mother. I'm Puerto Rican. My mother is Puerto Rican. She has a very thick accent. Right. This is all part and parcel of ways that they can try to target people of color, harass them, and if they can't prove their status immediately. Right. They get shoved into what we politely call detention centers. But they're jails. They're jails and prisons. And just to give you A startling statistics, 170 US citizens thus far in the last 11 months have been detained by ICE. And some of them had to stay the night because ice, despite the fact that they've been told I am a US Citizen, ignores them. Why? Because they look like we do.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Yeah. I will note that they're also using. They're taking cameras around with them. Jacob Silveroff has done some great reporting on this at MSM is now, and they are documenting what they're doing. And they're making sort of like, you know, isis, the terrorist group, used to make these slick videos that they would post on Twitter to try to recruit more people. They're doing the same thing. They're creating these really weird videos. The Chicago Sun Times has actually ordered them to stop using their images. They're. Without paying for them, using images from the Chicago Sun Times. You can see them on the screen and they're slicking them up without the photographer or the newspaper giving them permission and using that to boost. They want people to know that they're doing this. They want people to see it as some sort of like version of cops.
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Joy Reid
It is a permission for people who have fantasies of being able to dress in their fatigues and crack heads. Right. This, this is the militarization of our nation. Their aggressive recruitment efforts and we know, right? What have we seen? That they're waiving all sorts of qualifications because they're desperate to get as many people in the door as possible. So they're not paying that much attention to your criminal history. They've expanded the age eligibility. Right. They're doing everything they can. And their target is. We know, right. This is a whistle for people.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Who.
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Joy Reid
Have this fantasy of wearing their fatigues and being able to beat up on people.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Right.
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Joy Reid
And to me, one of the scariest things also is the way that they have waived the rules to bring in as many people as possible and then they give them permission, like the Ku Klux Klan, to hide.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Well, yes.
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Joy Reid
And engage in a level of brutality that no one should be proud of.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
I'm glad that you compared it to the Ku Klux Klan, because, you know, that is what the Klan did. The Red Raiders would put on masks and ride through black neighborhood neighborhoods, terrorized them with impunity. And sometimes the Klansman was the sheriff. And in this case, we don't know if these are portly, proud boys, out of shape Oath keepers. You know, they're buying triple xl size fatigues off of Walmart or Amazon.com we don't even know if they're actual feds. Do they have like a plastic badge in their pocket? And we've also seen kidnappings by non feds who are dressed as ice of Latina women in particular. So what are you, as an organization telling people to do? Like, what do you do if a person comes up to you, claims to be ICE and says, get in my van? Because they don't show badges and they're wearing a mask.
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Joy Reid
One of the biggest things we have really focused on is know your rights education. Right? We have produced a ton of materials in multiple languages, in language that is accessible. We're not looking to sound like smart lawyers. We're looking to create materials that people understand. And we're saying to people, the best way that you can protect yourself right now is by knowing your rights. Somebody tells you to get a new van, right? The first thing you do is you whip out your phone and you start recording. They ask you for your name. You say nothing, right? You're going to be silent. You ask, am I free to leave? Right. And you also want to make sure that if you are arrested and you are detained that you reach out to a lawyer, right? You say nothing. If they try to knock on your door, oh, we're looking for somebody in the neighborhood. A terrible crime has been committed. Can you open the door? And let me in, you say no, Right. If they say they have a warrant, you asked to see the warrant, put it under the door or put it on the window. And then you have to look to see if it is a judicial warrant. And by that I mean that it's been signed by a judge. Because ICE produces these administrative warrants, which are pieces of paper that they, that they produce. And sometimes they try to fool people to say, here's the warrant. And so you really want to look. If it's not signed by a judge, then you say, I do not give you consent to come into my house. Right. So the biggest way that you can protect yourself right now is by knowing your rights. Now, if I does what we saw in that video and they grab you and they try to shove you into a van, look for people to yell your name and your number. My name is whatever, call whoever. And this is their number. And you want to capture it on video. You want to look at the license plate. Right. You want to capture as much as possible. But everybody's best friend right now is your phone. And you also really want to. And I, and I say this to everybody, including US citizens, particularly people of color. Memorize the number of your lawyer.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Yes.
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Joy Reid
Because right now they are grabbing as many people as possible, possible.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
1000%. Memorize the number of a lawyer or have a piece of paper with your lawyer or a lawyer or the ACLU's number on it. Carrot with you at all times. Unfortunately, we have to act like this is white controlled South Africa in the 80s where you had to take your papers around. You really shouldn't be leaving home without some sort of ID or a passport or something that shows your citizenship. Because by the way, if they arrest you and you're a citizen, you really ought to start thinking about suing. I think we need to have a lot more lawsuits, personal lawsuits. We're not sure that they have the kind of protection and liability protection that a police officer has. We're not sure about that. We're going to test that. I think there need to be massive lawsuits. My exit question to you, Kika, is what do you say to people who are people of color and who have this resentment against undocumented immigrants who they believe are getting the services and the money and the funding that the people in the hood are not getting?
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Joy Reid
The first thing I'll say is immigrants are not entitled to federal benefits. So that is yet another lie that this administration is perpetuating. Right. First, if you are undocumented, you have absolutely, you have Access to absolutely nothing. And if you have status, you still have access to very limited, if any, kinds of government services. I would say that is a lie. The other thing that I would say is what is happening right now, it is deeply racialized. But what I've said to people who don't really think about immigration, I'll say the first thing is people of color at this point in time need to engage in deep coalition building because they're eventually going to come after all of us. They are creating authoritarianism right now on the backs of immigrants. They will start with immigrants. They won't end with immigrants. They're going to go after dissidents. They're going to start spreading more deeply to go into communities of color. And so you should care right now about what's going on in the immigration front, because eventually they're going to use that tool to come after all of us. If there was ever a time to engage in deep black and brown solidarity, it's right now. Because it may get to the point where they'll say to you, I'm picking you up. I don't even ask you about your status. I don't care. I have now come because this administration really wants to be able to deprive people of their constitutional rights with immunity.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
And that is what they're doing. And by the way, my spicy whites, y' all are not immune either. They shot a priest, a white priest, in the head with a pepper ball, and he was quite clearly not Latino or black, and they didn't care at all. He had his arms open in prayer. He had his pastoral collars on, and they still shot him in the head with a pepper ball. So they were come. They will come for anyone, anyone who opposes them, anyone who dissents. They will come after everyone. So it is solidarity time. Kika Amatos, thank you very much. Come back anytime.
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Joy Reid
Thank you for having me.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Thank you very much. A reminder, by the way, that tomorrow is election day in multiple states, because the only thing you can do this might be the last year we have free and fair elections, y'. All. I mean, I'm serious. I know we, we constantly say elections are important. This is it. Because by next year, they're going to have troops in the streets in every election precinct, in a blue precinct or state. Do you think they're going to just pull their National Guard and their troops off the streets because there's an election? No, they're testing it this year so that they can try to prevent there being free and fair elections next year. So these Elections are really important. Virginia has a race for governor. And I'm sorry, but the lady has a beautiful name. Winon. One of my favorite names. She is batshit crazy. Y' all need to make sure that you go vote for the other lady. May not be the most exciting person in the world, but, baby, you better go vote for that lady Spamberger, because the other lady went some crazy. You don't want that lady to be governor. There's also lieutenant governor race and an attorney general race. Y' all are mad at the AG candidate. That's the Democrat, because he sent some spicy texts. Sorry. The other one will not defend your right to an abortion. Will not defend your right to food stamps. Will not defend you. If you are a federal worker, you better suck it up. Hold your nose and vote for that ag. The brother, you better vote for him. And there's one who has the last name Reed. Don't vote for that one either. Nope. Good last name, bad candidate. This is one of those vote for all the Democrats moments. And I'm barely a Democrat at this point. I'm telling y', all, you better do it. Don't play with us with Virginia. You don't want Virginia to become Alabama. New Jersey also has a race. Mikey Sherrill is running for governor. Wasn't my first choice. I was a Ross Baraka person. But you know what? Time to suck it up. Go out there and vote for Mikey Sherrill because you're going to want governors who will actually fight this regime. Because next year, any state with a Republican governor and a full Republican administration, you're not going to get a free and fair election in that state. They're going to play ball. They'll probably redistrict the state to make sure there are no Democrats left. Okay. And then of course, there's the New York mayor's race, which is exciting and freaking out even the Democrats. And of course, Maine Senate primary. We had one of the candidates on this show, but that Maine primary is very important. Who's going to face Susan Collins? But there is also an interesting hyperlocal race. We don't really do hyper local too often. We're going to do one today. Let me turn to a piece in Atlanta magazine, and it says every four years, Atlanta voters choose a mayor and a city council president. The mayor gets more attention, but insiders know the council president can quietly steer the city's agenda. This November, that gavel changes hands. Current council president Doug shipman, elected in 2021, isn't running for a second term. His successor will preside over a 15 member body that drafts and passes all city laws, controls the budget, and can override mayoral veto. So it turns out these little local races are important. The president doesn't usually vote, but runs meetings, breaks ties, and serves as the council's guiding voice. The role can be pivotal in moments of controversy. Shipman presided last year when the council faced 14 hours of public testimony over funding for the controversial Public Safety Training center in southwest Atlanta, AKA COP City. The funding was approved for COP City. His predecessors oversaw equally defining debates, from Beltline funding in the early 2000s, which is like a little train, to divisive policies over homelessness and spending before the 1996 Olympics. The council president also sets the tone for how the body interacts with the mayor's office, business leaders and neighborhood groups. If the president is effective, they can be a bridge or roadblock. Says one longtime City hall adviser. I believe we do have one of the two candidates for council president. Do we, do we have Rohit? Yes. Rohit Malhotra. I'm hopefully pronouncing your name Rohit Malhotra. Is that correct?
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Rohit Malhotra
Yeah, it's Rohit.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Yes.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Yes. I'm doing pretty well tonight. I'm doing pretty well on the pronunciations. Rohit, thanks much for being here. So that I have read is. Was that a pretty accurate description of the job that you're going for?
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Rohit Malhotra
Yeah. So, you know, I think there's the policy, process and procedure pieces. The two main things that I think are also important is that this, this is also a position that determines committee assignments, so which committees, which council members are on which. You want to make sure that process is completely independent from the executive branch of government.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Government.
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Rohit Malhotra
We all know that if the executive branch of government starts telling the legislative branch of government what to do, that can cause a lot of challenges. But the second thing is that in cities like New York, they call this office the Office of the Public Advocate. And its public advocacy role is also extremely important. This is a historic role in the city of Atlanta. So it plays a pretty important role in how politics is done in the city.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
I have read stories that this, this job has, you know, people have gotten it with like 5,000 votes. I mean, this is a city of what Atlanta just The city is 520,000 people. But that a lot of people skip this line, talk about how you get people to understand how these hyperlocal races matter, because it seems to me, just my little reading of it, it is much more important than people think.
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Rohit Malhotra
Yeah, I, I think this is a. We're in a political moment where people are understanding how. How important the race is that we may not pay as much attention to, that may not be always on the front headline of the conversation, but actually have power in decision making, how important it is that we pay attention to those races. This role of city council president up until 1974, was called Vice mayor. And the last vice mayor of the city of Atlanta was a young person named Maynard Jackson. And Maynard Jackson had not held political office before 74, before 1970 when he was elected. But he made and shaped this role into a public advocacy role. So when he was elected as the first black mayor in the American south, there was a intentional move to take the vice mayor position and put it on the legislative branch of government to create checks and balances. And so Atlanta has always been at the forefront of a lot of interesting changes at the local government level that has a rippling effect across. Across the country. And these roles are intentional. They matter. And they were created right on off of the civil rights movement. So it was intentional to make sure that we were preserving power for people who often are not heard inside of government. So that's why I think it makes local government so special here.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
So I think it's obvious we're looking at you. You are south, South Asia, Southeast Asian gentleman. There is a black woman who. Who is your opponent in this race. Atlanta is the capital of black America, as a lot of people know. But the person who reached out to me to say, you've got to get Rohit on the show is somebody who had collectively formed something called black women for Rohit. You are their choice in the race. What is your sort of bill of particulars against your opponent?
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Rohit Malhotra
I think that that, in and of itself, not only is a point of something I'm proud of, but it also comes with deep responsibility. I think that you cannot do this work in Atlanta without acknowledging and recognizing that, a, almost every movement throughout this country's history has come through Atlanta, and b, that those movements have always been led by black women. And for me, I was raised in this city. I love this city dearly. But what that also means is that I understand the history of this city very deeply, and the depth of my relationship in the form of mentorship and partnership and community and collaboration has often been with black women. And they have guided me and made sure that not only is there a way to do the work, but they're also clear that they will hold me accountable to this job and this work. And so, for me, I'm running for that type of black leadership that I have always seen. I think sometimes when we talk about black leadership in Atlanta, we only define it by the elected positions. But the black leadership that I've always seen in Atlanta has been on the ground. It's been in movement. It's been in the places where you often don't see it, where the real work really happens. And so, you know, I always say that for me, I'm running for Atlanta. I'm running for these folks. It is to me, I feel deep sense of responsibility to the people who are taking a bet on me being a candidate that's going to represent good policy that is good for black people. I happen to believe that policy that is good for black people is good for everybody. I know that my family's history as, as a South Asian, as you said, my, my family's story in this country. My mom came here when she was 19 years old and my dad was in his early 20s. But their story is impossible without the fight that black people put up to make sure that we all had a fighting chance. I see so much similarity in the cultures and the traditions that I was raised in. It's what has made Atlanta such an easy place to grow up and to be a city that I believe so dearly in.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
But are you to the left or to the right of your opponent? Would you say?
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Rohit Malhotra
Oh, to the left, for sure. I think that. I think that this is, politically speaking, I think that at the end of the day, establishment politics, it behaves very similarly across the country, which is that in oftentimes, instead of building power with community, it's often protecting power for a very small group of people. And I think that I am. I think voters in this election have a really clear choice between status quo politics of it's, you know, people who believe that what's happening in Atlanta and how we're doing politics in Atlanta, that it is working and we just need to stay the course versus, I believe a. A multi generation of people and a diverse group of. Of voters who are saying, you know what? I don't think this is what politics is supposed to feel like. I don't think that you, you mentioned it earlier, such small. A small group of people are the ones who determine the outcomes of these elections. And often. And it is not because people don't care. It's because they've lost complete trust with the idea that anybody, whether they look like me or my opponent, is willing to represent them in the way that they need to be represented. And I think people want to see their names and their identities. They want to see that less in our hashtags and our statements. And they want to see it in our policies, process processes and procedures and our budgets. They want to see that, that we are willing to execute on the things that we say we're going to do. And that's, that's the type of leader that I strive to be.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Would you have voted for COP city funding?
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Rohit Malhotra
No, no, no, no, no. Because, because it was. The thing is, even when you say that there's a presumption that they actually put a price tag on it. There was never a. When the beginning of that project, they told the public that it would cost $25 million. Today, it's an almost $200 million project. So whether you are a fiscal conservative or a, you know, left abolitionist, you can actually agree on this very fact, which is that we have not been transparent with the public on where the money is going, what land we are using, how the land is being used. And so, you know, for me, during that process, I was so proud to stand with people, with students, with professors, with subject matter experts, with grassroots organizers. I can't go anywhere in the country without people asking how did y' all just let that move forward without having a more substantive conversation. And so no matter why you got involved in that fight, it brought together a coalition of people that we have not seen in a long time in Atlanta. And so for me, I think we have to always. Over 100,000 people wanted their voices heard and those hundred thousand people wanted a referendum to be heard. Even people who believe the facility should have been built signed a referendum and said, you know what, I still believe that people should have the right to decide. And so I think because they didn't get that referendum, I believe that this election, election as a referendum on status quo politics.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Well, there you go, Rohit Malhotra. Give your website so if people want to support you, they can find you.
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Rohit Malhotra
Well, again, I can't express how much like I am young me is geeking out just being on in, in a place with you. I, I have just like, you know, the way that you have stood up for good politics and stood up for value based politics is it's been inspiring for me as someone running for office. So thank you for the way that you show up. You know, people can learn more about me at Rohit for Atlanta. R O H I T for Atlanta. F O R Atlanta.com Appreciate you.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Rohit Malhotra. Everybody get out and vote tomorrow. It's really important. Don't let 4,000 people decide who the vice mayor of Atlanta will be. Thank you so much. Best of luck and cheers. Yes.
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Rohit Malhotra
Thank you so much. I'm so grateful.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Look, don't say we don't do local politics here on the Joy Reach Show. We're going to get you from the governor's race to the mayor's race, all the way down to the city council. These races are actually really important. You would be surprised how important local politics is and how much it can impact your actual life. You're never going to meet the president. If you're lucky, you'll never meet this one. But you probably are going to run into your city council person and your mayor really impacts you a lot and your local city council. I know. I actually was in the room, Jason, with, with Donald Trump once, because he was in his. How did it smell? You know, like bad orange makeup. And what was the make. The cologne people used to use back in the, in the 70s. Like, really bad 70s Cologne.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Not old Spice.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Old Spice, but like the bad old one. Yeah. And he was. And he walked like a walrus. He was walking and he was just walking. And he just, he would look side to side because we were sitting there covering his criminal trial and this was just before he was convicted and became a felon. Oh, this is in the courtroom. This was in the courtroom. And I'm sitting in the courtroom and he looks over in my row and he just glared at everyone in a row. And I'm not sure which of us he was glaring at, but he kind of walloped. He was. He's like a walrus. He's like an orange walrus is what he looks like. But yeah, he's, he's, you know, it a bit. Smelled like old diaper as well. I think I would say it's Old Spice and old adult diaper. Well, we could kind of chalk it up to a New York courtroom. You know, it has a. Just smells, you know, so we'll give him a pass on this one. I mean, we'll give him a. But it was definitely. There was an old diaper vibe to it. Somebody in the comments said it was brute. I think that's. Brute is. That's what I'm saying. Brute. Brute. Remember brute back in the day. Thank you to the comments. Stetson. Stetson. One of those old ones that like, you know what I mean? Like the, that the man used to wear, you know, that the UNCS used to wear, but not the uncs not like the cool ones, just like the old kind of funky ones. It smelled a little bit like that's the cat daddy who came up.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Hey, girl.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Hey. The one you used to run from in the club is what I'm saying. The one you used to hide in the bathroom. Bathroom. And pretend you were in there for like an hour just to stay away from that. The Brute cologne. But with old like Grampy diaper is what I'm saying. And he had the thickums, the thickums pant that showed that he was definitely wearing the diaper because it was a very thickums pant that was happening that was up high here. And then the, the tie was long. He's a weird looking dude, y'. All. That's the only time I've ever been in the same room with a man. I wrote a whole book about him. Coming up in hour two, which we're starting right now, are more Moral Mondays. This is the thing that we do at the top of every month. We have a great stand in for Bishop William Barber today because he is traveling. But we are going to talk about this because I think it's really important that we speak about the fact that this is a country that claims to be Christian and Christianity is supposed to be about caring at base for the poor, the sick and the elder. But this is a regime that claims to be a sort of Christian nationalist regime, but that is willingly denying people food. Food to the poor is being denied and also health care for people in need. While Republicans scramble to pretend that they're not for that they're not for that. They say don't forget to hit like and share to make sure that you don't miss a thing. Be sure to share it with a foe, share it with a friend, or share it with a foe just to piss them off. So welcome to our two of the Joy Read show. Again, big up to the chats who let us know all who are knowledgeable about all the old timey men's colognes from the 70s and 80s. We appreciate that. And on this Moral Monday theme, a reminder that this is Thanksgiving month and this great disparity between the super rich and the rest is really becoming a thing. We are definitely living in the maga Gilded Age, the Trump Gilded Age, and it feels like a huge sin. In the year of our Lord 2025 to have 42 million Americans, that is 1 in 8Americans require federal government assistance just to eat every day. And the assistance that they get from Snap, which used to be called food stamps, a reminder that in the beginning, food stamps were not just a benefit for the poor during the Great Depression, they were also a subsidy for farmers because you had a green stamp and a blue stamp, and the green stamp, you had to use it on farm products, on produce. And so that gave farmers a boost. And then the blue stamp you could use on canned goods and other things. The most used, most purchased item for people who use SNAP is macaroni and cheese because it's 99 cents. Kraft is one of the biggest supporters of the SNAP program because they are the biggest beneficiary. Walmart, Huge supporter of SNAP because people go into Walmart and they buy their macaroni and cheese. It's very helpful to, to businesses. And a reminder again, that you cannot spend those SNAP benefits. They are now not a stamp anymore. Back in the day, you remember being in, you know, Safeway, and the person in front of you had food stamps, and they would be so embarrassed trying to take them out of their wallet so that no one could see them, because there's a shame that's attached to it. But there's nothing shameful about people trying to make sure their children have food. But now, to make it a little less shameful, it's no longer a physical coupon. It's actually a card. It's an EBT card that you swipe. And the government can just fill that card. They can fill that card at any time. They could have done that with the Stimmy too, by the way. They could have done a card, but Trump wanted it to be a physical check because he wanted to put his name on it. It was marketing, but they could easily do the same thing. They could just find the money and put it onto the card. But they don't seem to want to do that at this point. The Trump regime is threatening to release only a portion of the money that's in the emergency fund for snap, which was created for such emergencies as we see today. And two judges have ordered them to release that money to keep those SNAP EBT cards working ahead of Thanksgiving. And while it's tempting to think of this country as the richest country in the world, that's not exactly true. In some ways, you know, we're kind of a trailer park in a Gucci belt. What is it? I don't think that's the right saying. We're kind of like a hobo and a Gucci belt basically sounds about correct. Yeah, like a hobo and a Gucci belt. Because, you know, we, we got a Gucci belt, but we, you Know, our infrastructure sucks. It's old, it's falling apart. Biden tried to put it together and, you know, do all the Biden bucks to fix it. But, you know, if you go to Japan or China or India, they've got super trains, we don't. We got a lot of poor people. 42 million one in eight Americans is on SNAP. That's not good. And if you go by gross domestic product, right, the sort of GROSS PRODUCT the U.S. is actually, we're among the richest in the world, but we're like in the middle of the richest. We're not like the richest by gdp. We also provide the least robust social safety net of any Western nation. So if you just look at it that way and the ways that, you know, we have sort of robbed our own people of resources, we're really not the richest country in the world. If you look at the countries that are the least rich in the world, it's all African countries. So we're going to look at D1. This is the poorest countries. And you. This will not surprise you because the, the African continent has been completely robbed of its resources. Look at the Congo, which should be the richest country in the world based on the resources under the ground. But they're among the 16 poorest countries in the world because the Europeans have stolen all the resources and continue to just steal from them. So African country South Sudan is the poorest. These by gdp are the poorest countries in the world. Okay. But when you go and look at the richest countries, you'll be surprised that the US Is not at the top. We always say we're the richest country in the history of the Earth, man. Not really. You can see us there. If you're going just by GDP, we're like, we know 181 out of 190. So we're not. We're close. But Singapore is richer when it goes by gdp. Luxembourg richer by gdp. You know, we're. We're up there, but GDP wise, we're kind of in the middle of the top 10. And this is what is happening in our relatively rich country, where again, one in eight people needs the federal government to help them eat. I want to play you this package that was filmed over the weekend. And we're. This is D3.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
More than 40 million Americans are at risk of losing access to SNAP benefits. That's about one in eight people nationwide. Chanley Painter takes a closer look at how communities across the country are coming together to help people in need. Concerns are growing for millions of Americans who rely on the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or SNAP benefits, with federal funding set to expire on Saturday amidst the ongoing government shutdown. But as lawmakers on Capitol Hill keep butting heads over strategies to get back to business, many local communities across the country are rolling out action plans to try and help soften the blow to residents who might struggle getting enough to eat. These are essentially going to be a 9x13 foil pan. In St. Joseph, Missouri, volunteers were busy packing hundreds of non perishable meal kits.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
It is not replacing the benefits, but.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
We hope it's a little bit of stress relief. This as soup kitchens and food banks nationwide keep going over their supplies, many expect a surge of people to start lining up outside their centers starting this weekend.
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Joy Reid
There's tons of seniors, there's a lot of disabled people.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
So they rely on us because the SNAP is just not enough.
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Joy Reid
Especially now when it's going to be completely cut off. They're going to rely on 100%.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
Even the war and officials are bracing, citing how previous federal program cuts have already reduced stock at many food banks.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
When they say that they can't put food on the table for their children. Stricts of particular accord in me as Mom.
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Journalist/Interviewer (possibly Norah O'Donnell)
Meanwhile, folks in some neighborhoods are getting creative as they prepare to hand out canned goods and candy to trick or treaters in need.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
That's happening in the United States of America and one of the richest countries in the world. And by the way, that was Missouri where the Republican governor, just to show you what you know, bullshit. It was when America's dumbest senator Tom Atuberville, pretended that only the sinful blue citizen states have SNAP recipients because red states happen too. That was Missouri. It is clear that Republican governors, they know better. They know better than Tuberville did. And that he said because Mike Kehoe was the Republican governor of Missouri, is now down to faking providing full SNAP benefits to Missouri and so that his party doesn't take the blame when people in that state go hungry. Seriously. This is the Kansas City Stars reporting. Missouri Governor Mike Kehoe this week touted millions of dollars intended to help provide food assistance, a move championed by his supporters as more than half a million residents were poised to lose benefits due to the federal government shutdown. But the announcement from Kehoe, a Republican, quickly came under criticism as lawmakers emphasized that the money that he promoted was not new. The $15.6 million in funding had already been approved by state lawmakers months ago to help with food assistance. Oops, don't fall for the Okie doke y' all these Republicans know that this is bad. And I have some reporting and that this is for, it's a, it's one source. So we're going to say it's just reporting that Kehoe is really not happy about where this is going with the SNAP benefits because Missouri is one of those states has a lot of people on SNAP and Medicaid. And these governors are not happy with the politics of this, but they're not going to do anything about it. This is the other piece of reporting that I've heard that they're not going to do anything about it because they want to wait until after tomorrow's elections just to make sure that they don't get hit in the elections because of it. They're concerned that they're going to get hit in the elections because of the government shutdown, the cost of Obamacare skyrocketing, and now on top of it that SNAP benefits are going to be cut. They're concerned about it as Republicans, even though they don't like these programs and never liked school lunch programs, they never liked Medicaid. They don't like any of it, but they don't want to get blamed for it. Let me read you this New York Times headline. The White House is saying they're only going to make partial payments. The judge that has ordered them to make payments, they said we'll only do part. The Trump administration will send partial payments this month to the roughly 42 million Americans who receive food stamps, offering only a temporary reprieve to low income families as the government shutdown rapidly approaches its sixth week, longest shutdown in history. The government revealed its plans in a set of filings on Monday in federal court, just days after a judge found fault in the government's attempt to stop Franklin funding those benefits under the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, known as snap. But the roughly one in eight families who receive SNAP may still be at risk of hunger and financial hardship. The Trump administration opted against using other funds to sustain the program, meaning it may have enough money to provide only about half of eligible households total food stamp benefits in November. Again, a note, it's $6 a person a month. $6. It also remained unclear when food stamp recipients might actually receive their aid, since the Trump administration itself had acknowledged previously in court that there could be substantial delays in provisioning SNAP on a partial basis during the shutdown. So basically, if you're poor and hungry, you're kind of out of luck. And again, note who I have not mentioned here, other than Dumb Tommy Tuberville. I've mentioned Congress because this is one of those cases where it is the administration, it is the executive branch that controls the Department of Agriculture, which is where SNAP lives. They have total control over solving this. Donald Trump could order his minions in the Agriculture Department to release that food and turn on those SNAP cards so people can eat. He doesn't want to do it. And so they're saying, hey, maybe we'll do it partly. It's kind of difficult. So let's see how that's playing out in some states. Let's go to a red state. Let's go to North Carolina. This is another report that came out over the weekend. This is D7. However, there is some reassurance for families across the triad schools and their meals will not be affected. While SNAP funds help families buy groceries, school meal programs operate separately and get. Guilford County School says those cafeteria lines will stay open thanks to state and federal programs already in place. Students who qualify for free or reduced meals will continue to receive them and many campuses will still offer breakfast and lunch to all. Still, without snap, there is a lack of food resources for the state's most vulnerable. And NC's association of Educators says that can still affect the classroom.
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Rohit Malhotra
Schools have a certain percentage of their kids who qualify for SNAP benefits or Medicaid. Then the school can provide free lunches for not only those students, but more than those students.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Right.
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Rohit Malhotra
And so what we're seeing here is a situation that's, that's gonna, we're gonna see compounding problems.
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Joy Reid
Right?
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Rohit Malhotra
So we're gonna see kids who are hungrier because their, their families don't have access to, to resources to get groceries.
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Chiquita Brooks-LaSure
Right.
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Rohit Malhotra
One, two. The parents in those homes are also going to be hungrier.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
And you know what that means. You can have a child that can still because states are trying to backstop and still fund their school lunches. Even red states that do not approve of the idea of free school lunch. But you can for the child, their only meal, maybe it's to going school while at home their parent may not eat at all. I was talking with a friend about this today. You're going to have some kids that take that food home so that their mom or their grandma can eat. You're going to have some kids that are skip that are skipping their meals because they know that their mom hasn't eaten, their dad hasn't eaten, their grandma hasn't eaten, their grandpa hasn't eaten. You're going to have kids now having to play the hunger games about whether they eat that one little School, lunch they have, or if they're on free breakfast and lunch, that may be their only meal. They may not get dinner. Or if they don't do free breakfast and they only do lunch, they wouldn't eat in the morning, which means your brain isn't fully function. You ever tried to go without eating all day? Your brain doesn't really kick in. And these kids are trying to learn while also worrying about the fact that when they get home, there's no snack in the fridge, there's no food in the fridge, and there's no dinner. So you're essentially having families in the supposedly richest country on earth, where we have the most billionaires on Earth, by the way. We're not the richest country, but we have the most billionaires. And so in the country with the most billionaires, we are literally going to make our children play the Hunger Games with no snap. No food at home, no breakfast, I mean, no dinner, no snacks, but maybe get one meal a day at school. That is Donald Trump's America that he is deliberately forcing us to live in. And the Republicans, like the Governor of Missouri, who are trying to pretend that, no, no, we got this, they're scraping money that was already allocated, probably by their Democrats in their state legislatures, and spending that as if to pretend this isn't happening. That money's going to run out, too. $15.6 million is nothing when there's $5 billion sitting in that emergency fund that Donald Trump is saying. And what was Donald Trump doing, by the way, this weekend while he was refusing to fully release the money to help people fresh from his trip to Asia, where he was given a literal crown? Here's what he was doing. He was throwing a Great Gatsby party. Oh, a Great Gatsby themed party for his cabinet members, including Latino sellout Marco Rubio and his billionaire friends. Look at them. They're dancing. They've got girls doing the Dancy dance. She's doing the Dancy. The Dancy dance. They have champagne, flower champagne towers, maybe pouring champagne on one another. A lot of his cabinet were there. Janine Pirro was there. She posted on her Instagram her dress. Look at them. They're in Mar a Lago, which is one of the tackiest places I've ever seen. It's covered in gold. That's what Trump was doing. And by the way, you've played to fly him there. You paid to fly Marco Rubio there. You paid to fly his cabinet members there. And it's a million dollars to actually join Mar a Lago So the billionaire class is literally living a gilded age dream come true. The day before SNAP ran out of money. This is the day before SNAP ran out of money. This is the Hunger Games. This is the real Hunger Games. Look, you have a girl in a glass, like she's in a martini glass. This is the Hunger Games in the United States of America. The day before SNAP runs out. The day Donald Trump gives an interview saying that ICE was not being cruel enough. The day he gives an interview where he crashed out because he was asked one decent question about his corruption, for which they edited out the bad part of his answer from the media company that paid him a $16 million bribe. And that has broken 60 minutes. One of the real literal questions, no offense, Nora o'. Donnell. One of her actual questions was, who is harder to deal with, Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping? Seriously. And Navarro. Let me let you have it. And a Navarro, your witness, he was born a trust fund baby with a dad who paid money to get him out of all sorts of trouble.
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Joy Reid
All of those people around him in.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Mar a Lago, the initiation membership fee is a million dollars.
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Joy Reid
The women there spend more money on.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Lip filler to get their lips to look like sausages than most people can afford to spend on groceries. And so that. That's a problem.
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Joy Reid
He doesn't know any regular Americans, so. So if he doesn't know, what's everybody else's excuse?
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
I don't know, because Marco Rubio, who was sitting next to him, sure as hell knows. Because let me tell you something. Florida has the largest number of seniors on SNAP benefits. Florida has the largest district with ACA enrollees. He used to represent those people. And for him to be sitting there.
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Joy Reid
Laughing it off and eating cake and.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Pretending to be Great Gatsby when he knows, because he did pass poverty. His mom was a maid, his dad was a bartender, and his constituents are crying right now. They're getting notices from the ACA that their insurance premiums are up, at best, 30%. The people who work at Miami International Airport are working without paychecks. And for them to be sitting like.
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Joy Reid
That, it's really just beyond disgusting.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Amen. Anna Navarro. Joining me now is Jonathan Wilson Hartgrove. He is a Senior Democracy Fellow with one of my favorite places, the Public Religion Research Institute. He serves as Assistant Director for Partnerships at Yale University center for Public Theology and Public Policy with our friend, the Bishop, William Barber, and he's chair of the Board of Repairs of the Breach. Reverend JONATHAN it's good to see you, my friend.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Good to See you, Joy. Terrible times, but it's good to see you.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Terrible time. Well, look, I mean, if we weren't partying at the Great Gatsby party at Tacky Mar? A Lago, I think at least according to Jesus, we're doing all right. Amen.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
You know, I was wondering.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Yeah, real quickly.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
I was wondering why you were playing that. If they didn't realize that the Great Gatsby is a tragedy. Gatsby is the tragic character.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
That's correct.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Said Fitzgerald's narrator says at the end, you know, they, they, they, they lost the whole point of the story. They, they, they ruined people's lives and went on like it didn't matter.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Exactly.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
So we beat on, boats against the current, born off ceaselessly into the past. That's how that book ends. It's a tragedy. Why in the world you would think that, that. I mean, that. And it's biblical. It's biblical what we just saw. That's King Herod's court. That's King Ahab's court. That's the court that all the prophets railed against. You crush the people, steal their bread so you can have your party. That's what all the prophets say.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Amen. That's why I call him Trumpy Antoinette. There is our depiction of him that, that, that is who he is from now going forward. Because, and, and it, and to your point, it is a tragedy. And I think using the Marie Antoinette sort of codicil makes sense because the excess of that regime in France, the Paris regime, their lack of concern for the people as they starved to death while they, in their decadent gold, gilded court, you know, ate the best foods and gorged themselves while the people starved. Well, they ended up getting overthrown. They ended up getting. They ended up getting dragged out into the street and executed. I mean, literally, it breeds revolution when you are forcing people into literal starvation, Jonathan, there, where people are facing starvation two weeks before Thanksgiving. And Trump says, yeah, well, we know.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
How this story ends. I'll go back to the Bible because the, the ancient stories are in my head. The prophet Ezekiel has. Has a passage where he says to the king and the rulers of his day, you're like a. You're like a lion devouring its prey. You're like a wolf that, that just devours people. Your policies are crushing people. That's what we see. And it. And Ezekiel says that that decimates a society. But the reason I think of Ezekiel is because right in the reality of that violence, Ezekiel says you find the hope because that's where that great passage of the dry bones comes from. The dry bones are the people who've been consumed by this kind of politics. And, and God says to Ezekiel, go out there and prophesy to the bones. And the bones get up and they become a, a mighty army that overthrows that terrible regime. And I think that's what we're seeing. We were on Capitol Hill this past week with people who are losing their snap, with people who's had a woman right here from North Carolina who came up who talked about how she's been on an ACA plan. She works two jobs, neither employer provides health insurance, so she's able to have an ACA plan. She was in the hospital this past summer and, you know, wasn't bankrupted because she had this insurance to cover the, the, the bill. And she just got her, her figures and said that she would have to pay one week out of fours, you know, one week a month to the insurance company to keep this insurance. She, she said to Hakeem Jeffries and others who were there, she said, that means I will not have insurance. You know, I can't afford that. That's millions of people who are facing that kind of reality while folks are over there swimming around in martini glasses or whatever those things are.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
The thing that's so vile about it is, you know, as wealthy as this country is, and again, it's not the wealthiest country country in the world. We did the chart earlier. We are the most stingy when it comes to giving things like health care to our people. Canada, they do better. Europe does better. You know, we subsidize Israel to have full paid for health care, but we don't have it. And I think the stereotype that the right feeds off of in order to get votes is that they say, oh, that's just New York and Chicago and the blue cities. And it isn't our states, it's not the wholesome red states, it's the blue states. Well, we have the, a list of the most dependent states, the states that are the most dependent on the federal government. There's one blue state that always stands out at the top, and it's New Mexico, which has a very, very impoverished population, particularly in its indigenous population, is very underfunded in every way. And so you can see New Mexico always sits at the top. But look at all that red in there. There are a lot of red states that are, including the state where the speaker of the House is from, Louisiana, which is one of the poorest states in the union. One of the most needy, independent and, and those top 19 states get more back from the federal government than they, than they chip in, you know, and other than again, District of Columbia, which is made to stay impoverished on purpose because it's treated as a colony, but it's mostly red states. And I wonder what you make of that. And let's do the next, let's do the next chart here. If you go to the, the next chart, which is D13 and you get to the bottom of that chart and the states that are the most independent of the federal government, look at all the blue at the bottom. The states that they tend to deride and say are the taker. The, the taker states are the red states and they are deliberate. They're choosing poverty. Jonathan, that's something I'd love you to talk about because it, poverty is a choice. Letting people be poor is a choice that these states are making.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Well, I think about those red states and I think about, I mean North Carolina, my home is there at 28, but there's so many in the south, so many across what's called the Bible Belt. We are people who have been subjected now for decades to a narrative that has said that somehow so called small government is the ideal and that that is a representation of our values. When as a matter of fact, the people who have pushed that lie and they've had a lot of money to do it, have been funded by the billionaires, by the corporations that want to have lower taxes and want to, you know, have more money to throw parties like we just saw. And what, you know, what, what ends up happening is the people that they told they were going to represent their values are actually in communities that are being hit by this. Right? Maybe you're, you know, on an ACA plan, maybe you're not, maybe you're on snap, maybe you're not. But the grocery stores in those communities depend on SNAP benefits. Sometimes 30, 35 of the income in a grocery store is from EBT cards, which means, you know, by the end of this week, if they don't figure out something, those places are going to be hurting. We, we actually again back to the hearing on Capitol Hill last week. We were there with a Moral Monday delegation. You know, and Bishop Barber has been on here and shared with your listeners that we've been going to D.C. ever since this big ugly bill was introduced because it was all about slashing these programs. And while they were introducing it, they said, no, no, no, nobody's going to lose anything. This is all just getting rid of so called waste, fraud and abuse. Well now it's beginning to actually come into effect and the result is that people are losing things. One of the people who's testified at these Moral Mondays here in North Carolina said, said, listen, you know, the, the Medicaid cuts haven't come into effect yet federally, but the state Medicaid program has already cut its reimbursements to his providers by 10% in anticipation of the cuts. Because it's on paper, they can see it, they know it's coming. And, and, and here we have this crisis because there are Democrats in the Congress who are holding the line and saying, you know, we're not going to agree to fund the government until you negotiate those medical care cuts that are in that bill. Now they're trying to hold hunger over their heads. So, so we're going to starve you so that we can take your health care is the message that is coming through. And, and I, I, one of the people that we was testifying just to finish that story was somebody who said that the hospital in their community has already closed. And that means that anybody in that community that has a crisis has to travel 30 minutes to be able to get to the next emergency care facility. So, so whether you think that you need these programs or not, so many people in these so called red states, they live in communities that depend on the income from these federal programs in order to have any services for anyone. And I call them so called red states because while they are, have been represented by people who've, who've been elected by a majority of Republicans, it's not the case in these places that a majority of the people want these things. So many of the people, we've gone all over this country and listened to them and tried to organize people. So many of the people have given up on the political process. And there are so called red counties and red states where you, you get, especially in a midterm election like the one that's coming, you get less than 45 turn burnout. So, so these are states that are in desperate need of poor and marginalized people to be organized. And like we were saying, the history of the world shows that this sort of just vicious violence with total disregard for people's well being often leads to uprisings. I pray it can be a non violent uprising that uses the power of the vote to say we don't want, want this kind of government.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Yeah, hunger clarifies the mind and you know, to, you know, people often say, well poor, poor white people vote against their interests. And my response is always, poor white people don't vote. Poor people don't vote because nobody ever asked for me. Do you think that like people are going door to door in the projects being like, hey, come out and vote. I mean black voters matter is. But most people, most and especially the doctrinaire Democratic Party, they don't go up in the hills of West Virginia and ask those people to vote. Some of those people have never seen a canvasser. They've never met a canvasser. They don't even know what you're talking about. They don't vote. Poor white people don't vote anymore than poor anybody votes. Poor Latinos don't vote. So the people who vote for this stuff tend to be middle class and up. Rich people definitely vote. And they not just vote, they give a lot of money to make sure that they get what they want. Poor white people didn't do this because they didn't vote. And, and to the extent that they did do it in the sense that they did vote for it, I want to do this show, this story. This is D14. Jason. Fox keeps people rich or poor, but who are white and conservative and Stevens as concerned. They keep them locked into a, a sort of false world that makes them so angry at people who are not. You can put it back up that they stay with the party that hates them. Fox News got fooled by a set of AI videos that purported to show very stereotypical seeming black people complaining that their EBT cards were going to be gone. And they fell for it because it fit the narrative that they sell to their viewers who are overwhelmingly white. FOX viewers are the whitest of all the demographics of all the cable networks. They're white and they tend to be older. So these older whites are sitting there enraged, thinking these blacks are just trying to get free money money out of my pocket and they're the ones who get food stamps and. But let's look at the demographics of SNAP recipients, shall we? I don't know if you guys can see that 2/3 of snap recipients are white. White women are actually the single largest group of SNAP recipients. Black folks. Yes, because black people are disproportionately poor in this country and make up more of the people who live below the poverty line. About 20%, 20, 25, 20, 21% of SNAP recipients are African American. But you also have large swaths of indigenous folks that are on snap, large swaths of Latinos and Latinas who are on snap, and a whole lot of poor white people. And Jonathan, the fact that they never get highlighted. All the packages that I showed tonight had a really rich mix of humans who were in those schools eating free lunch. They were white kids, black kids, Asian American kids, everybody. There are a lot of poor people think no Asians are poor. Oh, no, there are some very poor Asian Americans. Talk about the fact that poverty is just not addressed by definitely not the Republicans because they hate poor people. But even the Democrats never talk about poor people. And they really don't generally spend money to try to get them to vote.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Well, you know, since 2018, we've relaunched the Poor People's Campaign that Dr. King and welfare Rights, women and Chicano workers from the west coast. And so many folks came together, white folks from Appalachia. Our brother Al McShirley helped organize the white folks in Appalachia back in 68. He's still with us now. So, so the, the Poor People's Campaign that relaunched in 2018, the first thing we did was a study to try to understand the state of poverty in the country now, 50 years after the original campaign. And what we learned was exactly what you just said, that, that, you know, poverty still disproportionately impacts black folks, Latinos, indigenous people. But the, the raw number, majority of people who are, who are poor are white people. And when we talk to those folks, and again, everywhere from, you know, up in the hills in eastern Kentucky, where I'm from, in western North Carolina, down in Louisiana and Mississippi, out on the west coast, and homeless camps and, you know, worker communities and, you know, homeless unions and cities, we talk to those folks. And, and they are not politically uninterested people.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Right.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
They are not people who don't have opinions about politics.
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Chiquita Brooks-LaSure
Right.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
You know, you, you can. And they're not people who don't read. You can say, these folks get newspapers and read and know, you know, frankly, often they know more than a lot of the busy middle class people who are rushing from, you know, one Great Gatsby party to the next or whatever. But at any rate, the, the reason, the reason people have told us over and over again that they don't vote in national elections is because they have not for decades heard anyone who speaks to them. I mean, I've, I've met people out on the street who say, like, I remember Bobby Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy talked to us. I don't think anybody's talked to us. You know, some people say, I remember when Jesse Jackson ran, I liked him, you know, but, but people have not heard a mainstream candidate really say, you know, I want to bring Together a coalition of the poor. And so the Poor People's campaign has been about organizing a people's movement that demands those kind of candidates. And I think the crisis that we're living through, through right now, hopefully will spur some to. To arise for the midterms next year, because there is going to be great masses of people who desperately want a different kind of representation in Washington. I mean, you noted earlier that the current crisis with SNAP is certainly on the administration, but the gutting of the budget has not been possible without complicity of the leadership of the whole Congress. Congress. Right. And so there are Republicans representing these poor districts all over the country that need to be challenged. And I think they're people living in those places want new leadership. And the. The moment we're in, I think, has to get us out of the kind of normal frame of the parties that we've lived with now for a few decades and help us to realize that we're in an authoritarian crisis. We need a different kind of leadership, and the people are going to demand that kind of leadership. The primaries next year are going to be incredibly important.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Right. I mean, and the party names are fungible. Right. They've switched sides. You know, it's sort of like NFL names. They change over time. The brands change over time. You know, it doesn't mean anything at this point. Right. And I want to sit with what you said earlier, because I feel like people, and I do blame the Democrats a bit for this, but also the media, which doesn't. They're just incoherent when it comes to talking about economics and about legislation. They just don't really necessarily speak about it plainly. The plain truth, and you said it earlier, and I think we cannot sit with it long enough, is that in order to pass the largest tax cut in history, 80% of which went to the richest people in the country, 400 families got the bulk of that tax cut, and they were very eager to make that permanent, such that billionaires, who used to generally be Democrats, went hard for Trump because they were terrified that Kamala Harris would come into office and preside over a Congress that would let that bill expire as it was written to expire. And I cannot say it was written to be temporary in order to make the numbers work so that they could show a budget that didn't look like a huge deficit.
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Joy Reid
It.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
That is how the magic of Washington works. They lie and they say, oh, no, no, don't worry, it's temporary. We'll put it on the books as 1.7 trillion. And that's a lot. But don't worry, that's all it is. It's going to expire. But as. As that expiration came up, and everyone knew that how the election in 2024 went is how that tax cut was going to go. And they would have done anything to make sure that it was Trump, because they knew Trump is an idiot. He'll do whatever you want if you just give him crypto. They're like, we're going to give him crypto. Let him play in traffic. Let him have a Gary Gatsby party. Let him live his best life and get a crown from the South Koreans. Whatever he wants, let him do it. Let him commit crimes. Let him prosecute his enemies. Let him. Let Pamela Joe put people in prison. That makes him happy. We about to get this crypto and this deregulation. That's all we care about, right? And in order to pass that extension to make it permanent, y' all family out here in the Joy Reid show, they said, we got to get some money from somewhere. We can't show the full 4.7 trillion. People will go crazy. Even our right wingers will go crazy. If we show the full amount it's going to cost. They're like, where can we get, like, a billion dollars? They had Doge come in and say, find us $2 trillion to offset this tax cut. Elon comes in with Doge and they start ripping the government apart, firing people, laying people off. He claimed he'd get 2 trillion. By the time he was done, he had about 100 million. It really wasn't that much money because it turns out there really was no fat in the government. But there were all these people you could fire. And Trump was like, fire them anyway. Get them out of here. And he get them out. Get them out. So they start firing people. But they didn't get the money, y'.
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Joy Reid
All.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Where do you think they got the money? They ended up getting almost. They almost got it. You know where they got it? Well, they almost got a trillion. Medicaid, healthcare, Medicaid. They went. They said the only big pot. Y' all understand. You gotta understand how the government works. This is why we gotta start. Our civic education is poor, y'. All. They had to find money, okay? There are only a few big pots of money that sit in our government that are easy to get at. One is Social Security, but it's a trust fund. You can't really touch it. And the old people do vote. You cannot take. Can't take it. You can't go out, that's like 5 trillion. You can't go there. The other is defense. You could do that if you really cared about the world. You could say, let's cut the fat is crazy in defense. Elon Musk got all these billionaires have contract. You cut those, they could have cut some contract. They were like, well, we can't touch that. We, you know, our defense people in every 50 state, you know, lobbyists, they were like, don't touch defense. They were like, well, where else can we get the money? You know where the rest of the money was? It was in Medicaid, y'. All. They went into Medicaid and they dragged $800 billion out of your Medicaid. And those cuts haven't even kicked in yet because they write them not to happen immediately. This is how government works. You guys, they, they, they do the cut. Trump signs it, you did big beautiful bill. But then it kicks in next year. So rural hospitals that know that they're going to lose all that money next year, they're already closing. There was a front page thing on the Dallas Morning News this morning where they did some lie about it's going to be black people that lose the snap and just the blacks. But the other headline in the Dallas Morning News was that hospitals, rural hospitals about to close because rural hospitals can't stop survive without Medicaid. So this is what Jonathan was trying to explain to y'. All. The, the health care has already been slashed. Now on top of it, they want to take away your little Obamacare subsidy, which is like 3 trillion. It's 300 billion. They're like, take that away, make that, leave that temporary. But we're going to now also take your snap. I mean, can you, I mean, so, and just let me, I want to ask you this question, because the other piece of this is that the people that get fooled most by this stuff are in the south, right? And yet look at the power. Jonathan, who is in power? The speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, is from Louisiana. The most powerful Senate leader in history was Kentucky's Mitch McConnell, the minority, the majority leader, who's number two in the House. The second most powerful person, Steve Scalise, who used to call himself David Duke without the baggage. That's what he called himself. Steve Scalise is majority leader. He is from Louisiana. Do you guys understand that these people are from the South? These Southerners are powerful inside of Republican leadership right now. Why is it that these Southern states don't get punished when they hurt their own people?
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Well, There's a long history of lying. So I, you know, these folks often like to, like to claim the Christianity that I follow, that I know you do too, that many, many people in this country follow. They will claim that religion, but they violate its most basic commandments. Let me take Mike Johnson. The Bible says you shouldn't lie. Actually, most every religious and moral tradition says you shouldn't lie. It's pretty basic. Yeah, it's, it's hard to have, you know, ethical relations if people don't tell the truth. We were with the Moral Monday campaign. We were in D.C. all summer and we were bringing people who raised every concern that you just did very, very, very succinctly. They raised it from their personal experience. So it took more time and it was, was, you know, it was heartfelt. People were crying out, my hospital is going to close. My insurance is going away. You know, my daddy who's in the nursing home is going to get kicked out. There were all these stories and Mike Johnson and his people said over and over again, no, no, we're only cutting it from. He uses the language, the illegals. That's what they kept saying. Yeah, this is, we're only going to take the insurance. They would never show the math. You just went through the math. The math would make absolutely no sense. I mean, for one thing, you know, you cannot qualify for any of these federal programs if you are not documented in this country. So I mean, you know, at the best they're trying to find some, you know, money that might go to emergency rooms for general care or something. But even with that, I guess they're saying that the emergency rooms ought to turn some people away. I don't know what their case is. But anyway, the, the math made no sense, right? What they, what they were doing was they were lying. They were lying to people and they were saying, we're going to cut all this and it's not going to touch anybody. And I think what we are seeing is that it is, it is going to touch people. And the lie, you know, can only last for so long. I think, you know, we've, we've had this lie for a long, long time. And I'll have to say, you know, as a white person raised in the south, that my people are particularly susceptible to it. We're susceptible to this, you know, this, this, this lie that says those other people are the problem. And, and this so called skin privilege has been held up, you know, that, that lasted for a long time. I think that kind of ran its course with the Civil rights movement. I mean, I, I think about my own grandfather who, you know, grew up, you know, in, in a, in a racist south, but came through the military. You know, the integration of the military came on the other side of that. And, and very much, you know, rejected what he had been raised in and did not think that because of the color of his skin he was better than the person next to him. But he did continue to believe the lie that was perpetuated, which was that these, these so called conservative values were a reflection of his faith. And that deception, I think has held the south captive for another 50 years and has been used to pit white people against our black and brown neighbors, not in the name of racism, but in the name of our faith. And I think the just bald hypocrisy of the moment is what is unveiling it. The people who have called themselves, you know, religious conservatives are lying. They're just lying. It's the most basic thing. And people, you can only lie for so long till people realize it just wasn't the truth. And I think it's a moment when, when we've got to have some compassion and some willingness to recognize that people who've been deceived need to be invited into a coalition because we're all being hurt by this. We've got to build and we've got to recognize that that coalition has real power. That's why Repairs of the Breach just yesterday launched this year long voter mobilization campaign in eastern North Carolina. Because, because here's what these folks have been doing, the lying realize, they realize that their time is short. They realize that it's running out. They cannot win anymore. And so having done this to people, now what they want to do is gerrymander enough districts that they can hold on to power even when the people are against them. And, and yet to do that, they have to, you know, they have to make gambles. So they've taken votes from what they think is a safe seat and put them into a, a district that they think they can take over. And, and in some states, of course, the Democrats are going to do their gerrymanders to sort of win back seats. You know that you can do that there. You can't do that in North Carolina. In North Carolina we have to organize poor people who have not voted. And we're determined to do it. In the last several midterm elections, turnout has not been more than 45% across the country and in, in, in many rural areas lower than that. And they have determined the number they've used to say that a district is safe is if they think they have 55% of the electorate as Republicans. Well, if you get 55, 60, 65% turnout in a midterm election, then their numbers don't work anymore. And what the people who study elections call that is they call that a dummy mander. When you have bet that you can borrow from your safe seats to get more seats and you end up losing both seats, that's a dummy mander. We need that in eastern North Carolina. We need that in Texas, we need that in Missouri. We need that everywhere that they think they can draw districts that will keep them in power even though the people are against them. And that's going to take some organizing. So we're committed to that. In eastern North Carolina, we need people doing that all over the country. I think that's the organizing. The people who are being hurt in this moment is the path forward.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
So well said. I mean, the reality is, right when you gerrymander a seat, you're still making some presumptions about the people in it. We got very deeply into the gerrymander in Texas on this show, thanks to Jalanda Jones bringing us the maps. And so we went granular. And what they did in Texas was to say, here are low voter propensity Hispanics. So we're gonna put them into a new district and draw a big line around Lowe's voter propensity Hispanics and white folks. Now, that only works if the Hispanics stay low voter propensity, and it only works if they stay pro Trump. But if they start to pick up on the fact that the word illegals is just nword for brown people. Because when I hear somebody say it, it sound like N word to me. Because that's what they mean. It's just like when you say DEI higher, that's the N word. To me. You're just basically saying you don't like blacks because you think all black people get jobs through dei. You don't think any black person is qualified. So if you say doctor, you just said the N word. And if you say illegals, I mean, we're not on cable or broadcast tv, so I can say it here because to me, that's the N word, right? And so, but they're making a presumption that when they draw that line, that squiggly line, and they put X number of blacks and X number of white, that all the white people will go along with them and the black people and the brown people probably won't vote. The surprise surprise would be if it didn't work out like that. If all of a sudden some of the white people. This is what Fred Hampton was doing. All he was doing was going to the most racist white people in Chicago and saying, you do realize they don't care about you either, right? And the Klan types were like, wait a minute. You're right. I may not like you, but damned if that isn't true. We're getting screwed too. And they were like, the feds were like, well, he gotta die because, you know, if he gets the white people. So, I mean, and I, look, I don't have a whole level of trust that white voters are going to do this. I don't. Why do you have to prove that to me themselves? I'm not going to count on it. But what you can do is control. What you can control is get out everyone you can get to vote. Get everyone out that you possibly can. And do you agree with me that this might be the last year to do it? Because if they manage to succeed this year and then Trump puts the troops on the streets next year, those midterms may not happen.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Well, every moment is the moment to do it. I'm. I'm never going to give up hope because I know that story about the dry bones getting up, right? Like, even after people have been killed, they've rotted, and their bones have been bleached dry. My faith says that God can still do something to raise people up. But the moment that we're in is the moment, I mean, in the, in the darkness of the moment, we have to be honest about the darkness, right? People who are starving, people who don't have health care, I mean, they are in a desperate situation. And, you know, there's no sense pretending that, that it's easy or that people are naturally going to be able to, to, to rise up and organize. But it is necessary, and it's necessary that everybody who recognizes the crisis join together with those people who are most directly impacted and build movements that insist on leaders who articulate this. I mean, I think that if you look at U. S. History, if you look around the world, the, the times that movements are able to overcome authoritarian regimes is when the people articulate that they don't want what's happening and leadership emerges that says, we're going to offer, you know, something else. We need that, and we desperately need it from the Democratic party because the Republicans have completely capitulated to this authoritarianism. So, you know, I mean, I'm definitely not against all Republicans or anything. But in, in the current situation that we're in, we, we need a united front against authoritarianism. And that's going to have to mean electing some Democrats who will speak directly to the people's pain and speak to policies that would offer a real alternative to the, you know, economic conditions that have been getting worse for a lot of people for a long time. I mean, the, the faux populism that Trump has been able to pull off in, you know, these so called red states that we're looking at earlier. I mean, I know a lot of the people who live in those places who did vote for him and they said, well, you know, the, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats have done much for us in a long time, so why don't we give it a gamble? I mean, he's sort of an unconventional guy. Maybe he can do something. He's, he's saying he wants to improve the economy. That seems to be, you know what my problem is? The economy doesn't work for me. Well, those, those people, you know, whoever they are, they know now that his economy is not working for them.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Right.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
And it's incredibly important to have political leadership that will speak to that need and not, and not just say, you know, we're going to lift the middle class and we're going to get back to normal. No, no, no. We, we, we need a radically new economic vision for how everyone can do well in this country 100%.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
And that, that is, I think we agree on that. Because as it is currently constantly, the Democratic Party only knows how to use certain language, which is the middle class. And all that sort of rising tide lifts all boats. Excuse me, you're a man. Man of God. I shouldn't be cousin. But I mean, they, they don't really know how, how to speak sort of. Which is why I like Azorhan Mamdani. Because he's not a normal Democrat. Yeah. And I like that he's not called a Democrat. He's from some other party. And people actually don't care. What I have found is that people actually don't care what his party label is. They care that he's saying he's going to make it affordable to live in New York. And what we speak to New Yorkers.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
New Yorkers, we need a party that acknowledges that that's what it looks like in New York. It might look different in West Virginia. It might look different in Mississippi. Let's have a party that brings all those people together and says you want a country where everybody can live that's correct. Make it plain to your people.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Make it plain to your people. That's all that is. All that is required is to. And also that you don't have to dress it up in. To order all of the usual Democratic sort of festooning. Just make it real simple. And also you actually have to go to people because to your point, no one is going out in them hills and saying to these poor white people, you don't have to sign up for the blue plate special of what Democrats are about. But what we want to ask you is if you're willing to give this particular politician a chance to help you and what do you actually want and what do you need? And even black folk, you go into some of these places, they don't vote. These brothers are. They're talking a lot in the barbershop and never vote and don't ever vote and never would and never will because no one's even. Even there. No one's even coming. No one's going to Liberty City. Necessary. You have to force these policies. I've worked in these Democratic campaign. They don't want to go into even the black neighborhoods where they don't want to ask because they're like, those aren't voters. It's like. But everyone's potentially a voter. Let me. Before we let you go, let's play our brother Bishop William Barber, because he had a message on this redistricting, because you hit on something, I think that's very important. They know they're cooked because they're redistricting and gerrymandering, because they're scared that they can't win with this message that they've been putting out that the people are picking up on. This is D16. And with snap Fund, they want this.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
District because they know, David, when we all get together, we can elect representatives from the 1st congressional district that don't have to bow to a wannabe king who understand that bowing down is not an option. They want this district, look right at your person, the person beside you, and say they want you. They want your power. They want what you have inherited. My brothers and sisters, let us not forget that the fight for this district has taken on a whole lot of struggles. They want this district because for decades, the old 1st congressional district has elected people who just won't bow. Not just to Trump, but to anybody. This district has long been at the center of the black political experience in North Carolina, but more importantly, long at the center of the justice agenda in the South. This district includes all the counties where Black residents have fought for the right to vote. And each county, most of the counties here have at least 40% black vote. This district, this district, and I was reading last night, editorial by Rodney Pierce, and I want to pull some of it because I want folk even away from here to understand they're coming at us so they can come at. You see, North Carolina has always been the testing ground. They will try it here, and if it will works here, then they spread it throughout the rest of the South.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Oh, wait, we going to leave it there. I'm going to give you the last word. Jonathan Wilson Hartgrove, please.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Well, what. What he's saying is so true of the. The black political experience in eastern North Carolina. But you know, what he taught me when I was a young, young boy here in North Carolina is that that black power that came out of eastern North Carolina, that district was called the Black second during Reconstruction. That. That black power is what gave my family access to public education. Because those black politicians insisted in the North Carolina Constitution of 1868 that every person had a right to public education. Poor white people had not had access to education. Ella Baker is from that part of North Carolina when she, you know, built black power, built a SNCC organization, you know, but what they did was they advocated for policies that made life better for everybody in the South. So that's. That's the kind of power that we have to build in this moment. Bishop Barber is a great preacher of that truth and a great organizer in that tradition of. Of. Of Ella Baker and. And all those folks from down East. So I'm delighted that he's leading this campaign. And I think it can be a model for the sort of organizing that we need in places where, you know, Democrats for so long have not thought they could win. But. But this. This might be that the moment when lots of districts that, you know, people have not invested in are worth investing in.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Don't leave the South. Out. Jonathan Wilson Hargrove, you, too, are a great organizer, a great order, and a great man and a good friend. And I appreciate you, my friend. You are so valuable to this conversation. You are welcome to come back here anytime. My house is your house.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Great to be with you. Joy. Blessings.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
Thank you so much. Well, y', all, there it is. There it is. You got a word on this moral Monday. And absolutely it's true. Look, I know a lot of folks are very, very skeptical of this idea, but I'm telling y', all, poor white people don't vote. They don't. And there's Enough spicy whites and non voting white folks, we put them together, they might get mad enough about being hungry, they might get mad enough about losing their farms and having all of their soybean product foul in the fields so that Argentina can get $40 billion of our tax money. You never know. And I think what you have to do is still organize people and you have to never give up hope and faith that people can wake up. Because most of the people in this country, you have a third that vote foul. You have a third that vote right. And you have a third that don't vote at all. And that's the problem. We had to get to that third. All right, let's get to our moment of joy. I think we really need it on today and our moment of joy tonight. Jason found this. I'm giving Jason full credit for this. It is quite hilarious. And this is from Mrs. Maddy J. And she has some thoughts. She has some thoughts on the widow Kirk and Eyeliner J and her heation. She's got some heations and they are our moment of joy. Yeah, see, see I studied health anomics. You might want to call me a healthologist because I know heiferistical behavior when I see it. And that right there. Oh baby, that right there. See? Let me tell you, let me show you. Anytime a woman take her hand and drive it up the back of a man neck into his hairline sequence and when her hands go up and take a butterfly effect inside his hairline times, it's something going on in that. Oh, it's way deeper. We see just surface stuff. I see the intimacy of it all. Oh yes. It's something way deeper than what we see. And what we see is of obvious.
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Donald Trump
That is more than just we working.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
On the same side.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Now.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
You working more than just the same side. You. You ain't like this, baby. You like this. And I am time to help her run her hands up in Herman's head like that. She can go ahead and tell her family to make fun range. Oh yeah.
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Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
That'S all right. I apologize.
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
They not just on the right same side. He need to try to find this lady. Listen sis, you are hilarious. Her name is Mrs. Maddie J. You can follow her at Mrs. Maddie J. On Instagram and her half a nation. And I can tell you if you run your hands when you know Jason don't have no hair but if you rub your hands up with the ball the head of Jason Reed also go ahead and go ahead and make your make your funerary arrange. Thank you all for tuning in. If you guys do go ahead and buy yourself some merch, please hit, please do the hashtag wearing joy or readers. Please hit that smash. Smash. Somebody say smash. Hit that like and share button. We appreciate everybody that's liked and shared. Please continue to do that and we will see you guys on the next one. We've got a lot of great stuff coming up. We did an interview that is, should we, should we give away our interview, Jay Z that we're going to be doing? Abby Phillip, Let me just tell it. Abby Phillip, we, we interviewed Abby Phillip this weekend. We've got that interview coming up. That's going to be a full show that is coming up. We've got lots more good stuff. But in the meantime, thank you to all of our great guests. Thank you to msi, our wonderful sponsor, MSI Reproductive. And we will see you guys on the next the Joy Reach show. And keep your hands out of the hair of a man that's not your husband.
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Rohit Malhotra
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
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Rohit Malhotra
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
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Rohit Malhotra
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
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Rohit Malhotra
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Co-host/Commentator (possibly Jason Reed)
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