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Summary

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THE JOY REID SHOW — “BREAKING NEWS: Bondi FIRED”

Host: Joy-Ann Reid
Guest: Lev Parnas
Date: April 4, 2026

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This special live edition of The Joy Reid Show delivers rapid analysis and context surrounding the abrupt firing of Pamela Jo Bondi as U.S. Attorney General under Donald Trump, unraveling how her dismissal serves as high-level political theater intended to distract from much deeper crises plaguing the Trump regime. Joy is joined by Lev Parnas—Florida congressional candidate, Trumpworld whistleblower, and well-connected inside source—for a deep dive on Bondi’s ouster, the lingering Epstein scandal, MAGA infighting, and the precarious situation of other women in Trump’s inner circle, particularly Tulsi Gabbard.

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MAIN THEMES

• Pam Bondi’s Firing: Not a true regime change, but a carefully staged distraction.
• Media Manipulation: Trump’s pattern of firing loyalists as “bait” for the press to shift focus from more damaging stories (Epstein investigation, Iran war, DOJ corruption).
• Epstein Files Cover-Up: Bondi’s exit stalls accountability regarding the Epstein files, shielding Trump’s interests.
• MAGA Schism: Major divisions between ultra-pro-Israel and America First isolationist wings, with Tulsi Gabbard caught in the crossfire.
• Women in the Trump Regime: The targeted removal or undermining of high-profile women—Bondi, Kristi Noem, and Gabbard’s potential ouster.
• Power, Loyalty, and Corruption: Analysis of Trump’s crony network, who survives, who’s expendable, and how “loyalty” determines one’s fate.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Pam Bondi’s Legacy & Firing — Diversionary Tactic

• [00:13–03:58] Joy introduces the breaking news and rolls archival audio/perspective on Bondi’s controversial tenure.
• Manipulating DOJ: Bondi was infamous for weaponizing the Department of Justice against Trump’s political enemies, failing to release the full Epstein files and dismissed or replaced career prosecutors.
• Quote:
  Anonymous Critic [01:05]:
  “Trump orders up prosecutions like pizza, and you deliver every time. Nothing in American history comes close to this complete corruption of the justice function...”
• Despite Bondi’s loyalty and performative outrage, she was “humiliated” in hearings for using deflection tactics and not releasing Epstein files as required by law.

2. Bondi as Magician’s Distraction

• [09:33–13:29]
  Lev Parnas: Bondi's firing is “theatrics”—she’s scapegoated to distract from deeper issues rocking Trump’s camp (notably Tulsi Gabbard’s loyalty, the Iran war, and Epstein fallout).
  • “Pam Bondi...was primarily right now being [used] as a distraction.” (Lev Parnas, 11:15)
  • Trump intends to "buy time"—stall Epstein investigations by giving media a flashy firing and floating names (e.g., Lee Zeldin) that excite speculation.

3. Lobbying, Qatar, and Corruption

• [11:27–13:29]
  Joy and Lev illuminate Bondi’s likely “soft landing”:
  • After prior stints as a lobbyist for Qatar (which gifted Trump a luxury jet), and with deep ties to the Ballard Group (a lobbying firm linked to foreign scandals), Bondi remains “in the family,” set to profit mightily as a private lobbyist.
  • Qatar’s role as financial safe haven for Trumpworld, Bondi’s connection to bribes and offshore accounts.

4. Epstein Files & Justice Department

• [13:36–19:37]
  • Bondi is blamed for mishandling the Epstein files; Trump is actually angered not by her refusal to protect victims but by her failure to “sufficiently squash” implications for him.
  • Trump’s “WWE-style” showmanship:
    “Donald Trump is a TV guy. Donald Trump is a performer. He’s a WWE guy. Never forget.” (Joy Reid, 18:46)
  • Lee Zeldin floated as AG to stall investigations:
    “Lee Zeldin...probably Trump’s next Attorney General...he’s gonna need six months to go through the Epstein files. Suddenly, the Epstein files goes off the front page.” (Joy, 18:46)

5. MAGA Infighting & The Real Problem: Tulsi Gabbard

• [20:20–45:13]
  • Trump regime is tearing itself apart between the pro-Israel/war faction (Laura Loomer, Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro) and the America First isolationists (Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, Tulsi Gabbard).
  • Gabbard—Director of National Intelligence, not a true Trumper or loyalist—is targeted due to her antiwar stance and independence.
    • Ambitions for 2028 presidential run discussed.
    • Seen as “the joker in his cards” and “a major problem” for Trump.
    • Her ally Joe Kent resigns and publicly challenges the administration, escalating the rift.
  • Key insight: Gabbard is retained (for now) because she’s central to Trump’s effort to manufacture a foreign interference narrative (using Venezuela’s Maduro as a scapegoat for the 2020 election).

6. Foreign Interference & Election Conspiracies

• [46:26–50:46]
  • Joy and Lev underscore Trump’s strategy: float claims of Venezuelan interference in the 2020 election as grounds to “federalize” swing-state elections, restricting voting access under the guise of national security.
    • “If he has that power, that king-like power to federalize elections...There’ll be no more free and fair elections.” (Joy, 47:22)
  • Tulsi Gabbard's role is to find or fabricate “evidence” of this interference, raising immense stakes if she’s sidelined or turns against Trump.

7. Pattern of Cronyism, Loyalty, and Soft Landings

• [25:48–32:02]
  • The kind of personnel Trump removes: Bondi and Noem are “safe” to fire—Bondi is fiercely loyal and will remain silent (and rewarded), Noem is an outsider and easily scapegoated. Tulsi Gabbard, as a nonloyalist and ideologue, is uniquely dangerous.
  • Lev Parnas [27:02]:
    “Trump has an inner circle and I was in that inner circle. There’s the Pam Bondis...the die-hard loyalists…Trump picked [Bondi] himself. She was not recommended by nobody else.”

8. Real vs Performed Change

• [36:28–48:31]
  • Trump’s replacements (e.g., Todd Blanche, Lee Zeldin) simply maintain the same power structure. “Cut off the head, leave the body in place”—true in DOJ and in Trump’s regime change maneuvers abroad (Venezuela, Iran).

9. Media Critique: Don’t Take the Bait

• [53:36–end]
  • Joy’s passionate summary: Pam Bondi’s firing is “the lure,” mere bait to distract reporters and the public from focusing on the regime’s real problems—Epstein files, DOJ rot, the Iran debacle, and especially the precariously positioned Tulsi Gabbard.
  • Key warning to other journalists: “Do not let the media distract you into a conversation about Lee Zeldin or Pamela Joe Bondi, because the real story is the other lady...” (Joy, 1:05:31+)

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

-- Theatrics and Distraction

“Pam Bondi is primarily right now being as a distraction...they needed somebody. And they blame her for the whole Epstein files even though she was doing everything Trump wanted her to do.”
— Lev Parnas [11:16]

-- Trump as Showrunner

“With Donald Trump, it’s called theatrics. He’s a showman. He knows...He came out yesterday [with a speech], did not want to do it, did it his way anyway...And today he took the narrative over.”
— Lev Parnas [17:31]

-- The Real Stakes

“This whole Pam Bondi thing, nothing changed, folks. Pam Bondi’s gone, Todd Blanche is in, Maduro’s gone. Nothing changed. Everything is moving along the same. Except for now the media is...chasing who this Lee Zeldin is.”
— Lev Parnas [48:31]

-- Warnings about Tulsi Gabbard

“She’s a wild card. If you fire her, it’s a different game you’re playing because she might also run right to Tucker Carlson and she might say some things more even than her deputy Joe Kent said.”
— Joy Reid [1:07:40]

-- On the Function of Distraction

“Pam Bondi is the lure...The news media is going to grab that hook—‘Pam Bondi fired’—that’s the hook, but that’s not the story.”
— Joy Reid [53:38]

-- Trumpworld’s Survival Game

“When you have a gang, if your gang is about killing people, you need everybody in the gang to get dirty...because if they’ve committed a crime, you have something on them.”
— Joy Reid [1:13:30]

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TIMESTAMPS OF MAJOR SEGMENTS

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 00:13–03:58 | Introduction & Bondi’s record at DOJ | | 09:33–13:29 | Parnas on distraction, the “real reasons” for firing | | 13:36–19:37 | Epstein files, Trump’s performative governance | | 20:20–25:48 | Women in Trump’s world: Bondi, Gabbard, Noem | | 25:48–32:02 | MAGA loyalty—inners vs. outers; Bondi’s origins | | 36:28–39:30 | Tulsi Gabbard’s precarious standing | | 46:26–50:46 | Foreign interference plots, federalizing elections | | 53:38–end | Joy’s extended summary & call to journalistic focus |

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CONCLUSION: THE TAKEAWAY

While Bondi’s firing dominates headlines, Joy Reid and Lev Parnas urge listeners to see through the spectacle:

• This is not real change—just staged distraction. The regime, its corruption, and its dangers remain.
• The real “story”: MAGA’s internal collapse, the looming Epstein files, the effort to federalize elections based on manufactured foreign interference, and Tulsi Gabbard’s volatility as a non-Trumper at the nerve center of both the election narrative and war policy.
• Call to Action: “Do not let the media distract you...the real story is the other lady,” Joy insists, imploring the press and public to keep eyes on the levers of power, not just on Trump’s latest “WWE” style firing.

Ultimately:
This episode is a tour de force in anti-distraction journalism—cutting through Trumpworld's misdirection to challenge listeners to focus on the structural threats: captured institutions, manufactured narratives, and the peril of unchecked loyalty and corruption.

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For full political context and ongoing analysis, tune in to the next Joy Reid Show episode, where Lev Parnas and additional guests continue the deep-dive on the Epstein investigation and unravel the fate of embattled figures in MAGA’s collapsing house of cards.

Transcript

[Joy Reid]

Okay.

Well, hello, everyone. Welcome to the Joy Reid Show. This is breaking news. We are coming on for an additional episode because of news that I'm sure you have heard at this moment. I'm sure you all now by now know just from all the social media where this is breaking, that Pamela Joe Bondi, former Attorney General of the great state of Florida, who was the second choice of Donald Trump to be Attorney General of the United States after his first choice flamed out over allegations of sexual impropriety with young women. That would be Matt Gaetz, Congressman of the state of Florida, who actually pulled out of the nomination because of a pending ethics investigation. His second choice, Pam Bondi, now out, let's play a little retrospective of Pamela Joe Bondi so that you can remember

[Anonymous Critic]

the times you've turned the People's Department of Justice into Trump's instrument of revenge. Trump orders up prosecutions like pizza, and you deliver every time. Nothing in American history comes close to this complete corruption of the justice function and contamination of of federal law enforcement. The good news is many serious lawyers at doj, including some of your own original appointees, have refused your lawless orders.

[Congressional Member]

First, he brought up the president saying, they indicted me twice. They sure did. They tried to impeach him twice. And you, Mr. Nadler, were one of the leads on the impeachment. I was on the other side. I lived that with you. During impeachment, you said the President can fired sought foreign interference in the 2016 election. Robert Mueller found no evidence, none of foreign interference in 2016. Have you apologized to President Trump? Have you apologized to President Trump? All of you who participated in those impeachment hearings against Donald Trump, to the

[Survivor Advocate]

survivors in the room, if you are willing, please stand. And if you are willing, please raise your hands. If you have still not been able to meet with this Department of Justice, please know for the record that every single survivor has raised their hand. Attorney General Bondi, you apologize to the survivors in your opening statement for what they went through at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein. Will you turn to them now and apologize for what your Department of Justice has put them through with the UN Absolutely unacceptable release of the Epstein files and their information.

[Congressional Member]

Congresswoman, you set before Merrick Garland sat in this chair twice.

[Survivor Advocate]

Attorney General Bond.

[Congressional Member]

I'm gonna finish my answer.

[Survivor Advocate]

No, I'm gonna reclaim my time. Because I asked you, the Attorney General, specific question.

[Congressional Member]

Make no mistake, under President Trump's leadership and this administration, you have the right to worship freely and safely.

[Joy Reid]

And if I haven't been clear already,

[Congressional Member]

if you violate that sacred right.

[Joy Reid]

We are coming after you. The Dow.

[Congressional Member]

The Dow right now is over. The dow is over $50,000. I don't know why you're laughing. You're a great stock trader, as I hear, Raskin. The dow is over 50,000 right now.

[Joy Reid]

The Dow. The Dow is over 50,000 right now. And yet, apparently, despite the dow being over 50,000 and Donald Trump watching her perform for him by attacking members of Congress during her hearings, coming in with a burn book, she got actually humiliated at one point by Gerald Moskowitz, also of Florida. Florida, always in the House, who knows Pam Bondi very well, has known her for a long time for using this burn book to try to go after members of Congress who were merely questioning her. Despite that performative outrage that Pam Bondi used to try to deflect questions about Donald Trump and about the Epstein files. Despite doing everything you could think of to try to ingratiate herself with Donald Trump, trying to deflect from his presence in the Epstein files, defying the law and not releasing all of the Epstein files, even though there was a law literally passed that he signed requiring the Epstein files to be released in full. Despite prosecuting or at least attempting to have her injustice department prosecute Donald Trump's political named political enemies. He wanted Comey prosecuted. He wanted Leticia James prosecuted. He wanted anyone who worked on the investigations of his crimes fired. She did have a lot of them fired. Now the Department of Justice and the FBI are getting sued for releasing many of those people. Many of the prosecutors working under her quit. You've seen an evisceration of the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice has never been so understaffed. It's never been so disrespected. It's literally become a corrupt mess under Pamela Jo Bondi. And Donald Trump apparently displeased with her performance and not because of her failures regarding the Epstein victims. Even though he did run promising to release the Epstein files. No, no. Apparently what annoyed Donald Trump was her failure to sufficiently squash the Epstein files. We have a great guest coming on. Lev Parnas will be joining us shortly to discuss all of these things because of course, Lev gets the tea and he generally knows what's going on inside the White House. That is what we're seeing going on right now. Also apparently on the brink, Tulsi Gabbard, allegedly, according to. Let me just read you the Time magazine story. Tulsi Gabbard has been pressed on her assessment of top counter terrorism official Joe Kent's resignation, his resignation letter by the House Intelligence Committee on Thursday. Remember, Joe Kent used to work for Tulsi Gabbard, who was this anti war former Democratic congresswoman who actually ran for President in 2020, calling Kamala Harris a warmonger. She's someone who's been seen as soft on Bashar Al Assad of Syria. She's been against any sort of nuclear posturing toward North Korea, against the US Assisting Ukraine for fear of triggering nuclear confrontation between the United States and Russia. She's been seen as basically a dove, somebody who does not want to see the US Involved in any foreign wars. And yet despite that, she's been caping for this war in Iran, which she seemed to be on record against. Her deputy Joe Kent that was working for her actually resigned as one of her counterterrorism executives. And he left, went right to Tucker Carlson and said that he was prevented from fully investigating the Charlie Kirk murder and from fully investigating the assassination attempt against Donald Trump when he was a candidate for for president again. Apparently she's now on the bubble. Donald Trump apparently displeased with her work as well. Let's go to woman number three in the Trump regime. And that of course would be Kristi Noem, the roaming Noem who has been humiliated by this story that leaked to, of all people, the Daily Mail about her husband Byron. Brian, I mean Brian B R Y O N Bryon, apparently liking to hang around in naughty chat rooms, dressed in a suit in which he would inflate his breast assist to the size of Dolly Parton's with off center nipples in order to participate in this barbification kink. That information leaking out over the last 48 hours and embarrassing Kristi Noem, who's already been fired by the Trump regime. So three of the highest profile women in the Trump regime, two of them are out, one of them is on the bubble. And this is where we stand. Let's bring in Lev Parnas. Lev remembers. Oh, okay. We're waiting for Lev to get ready. Okay. So whenever Lev is ready, just let me know. Jason, whenever Lev is ready to come get teed up because we want to get this tea on, on what's going on in terms of the Trump regime and why, why it seems that all the ladies in the house are being thrown to the corner, thrown on the curb. Lev Parnas, welcome. Thanks for being here. Let's start with Pam Bondi, somebody you also know very well out of the great of Florida. And of course, Lev is also a candidate for Congress in Florida. We want to remember, we remind you all of that. But Lev, why is Gandhi out? What is her specific offense?

[Lev Parnas]

Apparently it's not so much the offense and that's why I want to make it clear. I'm glad we're going to clear up the tea because it's a combination of things that happened over the past several days, including his speech yesterday. The real problems what Trump is having inside the inner circles is another woman by the name of Tulsi Gabbard that was really causing problems. And right now from what I'm hearing from my sources, basically Trump has given her a way out by resigning in a nice way even though there's fractions inside his circle that are pushing for him to fire her because they don't trust her of the way she will resign without hurting Trump and their in their opinion. So that was one of the reasons that he needed to deflect because a lot of this thing was changing this Pat Bunny thing. I want to make very, very clear nothing changed. What he did is basically give red meat to his base because they they feel that Pam Bond is the root of all evil to Trump's Trump problems. And he was able to also distract by having the media right now that is now chasing not what's happening in Iran, not what's happening anywhere else, but talking about Pam Bondi and who her next successor is. Her next successor is staying there and that's the same regime just like he did in it's called Top Blanche. Just what he did in Venezuela just with it. It's just a show. Pam Bondi was just basically a figurehead to be able. She is a loyalist. She is not going anywhere meaning going anywhere to flip on him. She will being close. I'm hearing even to the point where he is he's giving her the golden key to go back to maybe even lobbying in Bal Brian Ballard's group and start really making some serious money because being the connection to Trump and the way things are happening. So Pam Bondi is primarily right now being as a distraction. The other reason why now was a reason why.

[Joy Reid]

Hold on just one second. I want to put a pin in that real quick because I want you all to understand that Pam Bondi after leaving being the attorney general two term attorney General of Florida, she was a lobbyist for Qatar, right. Like she was already making money as a lobbyist for the country. The same country that gave Donald Trump a $900 million luxury jet. She was a lobbyist for that country. Is that through the Ballard Group?

[Lev Parnas]

Yep, it was the same group, Ballard Group that is also where Susie Wiles was a partner prior to that and is the same group right now that is involved in a court hearing here in Florida where Marco Rubio just testified to being invol in a $50 million one of his ex partners, David Rivera, who's involved in a $50 million supposed alleged bribe from Maduro to lobby on behalf using that same Ballard Group association. So yes, and Qatar is a very big one because not only did Pam Bondi Qatar gave a present to the Trump and we had that whole thing go on. But what was happening also is Qatar is holding the money open that counts the offshore accounts for the Venezuela money, the Venezuela shipping. So Qatar is a major, major player which I guess for a different show which we'll go on to. But so yeah. So Pam body it was more of like, you know, you A she was somebody perfect to give to the to the mega base that was already falling apart. They needed somebody. B and she and they blame her for the whole Epstein files even though she was doing everything Trump wanted them to do. B. She was about to get, she was subpoenaed already. She was about to get deposed. The Dems and the Republicans were going after her heart because she became the liability another way of trying to take her away from there and now have comer try to ease it off. I know Garcia came out saying that they're going to go after it anyway, but you know, it's going to be a game now. It's not going to be the priority. And at the end of the day, you still have Todd Blanche, the mastermind actually, because, you know, he's the one that went to speak to Epstein. I mean what's her name?

[Joy Reid]

Maxwell.

[Lev Parnas]

Yeah, Ghislaine Maxwell. He's the one that was basically constantly out front and even more than Pam Bondi. So and his relationship with being in, you know, in the Southern District of New York, being close to Trump and being a true loyalist. So that is more of a distraction. I don't see any changes there. I see the same thing going on. I think A buys time from Trump off the Epstein stuff because now new people coming in and that's why he also threw in the name Lee Zeldin. That's another curious reason because I know Lee Zeldin very well. Lee Zeldin's not a prosecutor. Twitter. I don't see Lee Zelda coming in here. But it's a way for the media to chase that rather right now and say, oh, Lee Zelda might be a good pick. He's not a prostitute. He knows how to deal with Congress. Maybe we could not release the Epstein file again. That's another distraction. Because the real problems inside this base, what's happening is he lost control of the Iran war that he can't do. And that's why his speech yesterday was a total flop. That's why you're seeing today the narrative change. B. Tulsi Gabber is completely on her way out. And there's a fraction, especially with Joe Kent leaving and saying all the things and the things that Tulsi shares. I'm hearing ambitions for 2028, possibly, and other things.

[Joy Reid]

So wait, who has ambitions for 2028?

[Lev Parnas]

I know it sounds crazy, but Tulsi.

[Joy Reid]

Tulsi still thinks that she could be President of the United States.

[Lev Parnas]

Yeah. I mean, because, because of this. Well, this is the whole thing, Joy. Because right now there's fractions inside Trump's camp that are going to try to use, go against him because of the fraction and the mega. They're trying to grab. Capture, capture that mega bas. Okay, if Tulsi gets out, just think of what Kent laid the groundwork out that Bibi Netanyahu forced Trump to do it. Trump doesn't care about America. You have Marjorie Taylor Greene coming out saying, look at his speech yesterday. Nothing had to do with America. And now. So, yes, I mean, does she have a chance? I don't think so either. But that doesn't mean that they don't have their own crazy ambitions. So these are the things I'm hearing that are playing out right now inside of Trump world when it comes to Pam Bondi, the timing of her getting out of there. I want to warn everybody, nothing change. Todd Blanche is in charge. Lee Zeldin is just another distraction. They're throwing names out there because he's somebody that people would say, oh, he could get approved. He's. He's somebody, you know, because who else is crazy enough that could do everything Trump wants it to do to get in there?

[Joy Reid]

Yeah. And he's already in approved. I mean, the thing about it is, if you guys understand, just take you behind the scenes of kind of the way it works in Washington for those of you in the chat. And thank you all for tuning in. Just to remind you, this is a breaking news special live. Joy Reid along with of course, our good friend Lev Parnas, who gives us all the inside scoop on the Trump regime from Lev Remembers. And just so that you know, if somebody is already a Senate confirmed cabinet official or a senator, that's the easiest person to put in because they are guaranteed to get through. If you've already gotten the votes to be one cabinet official you can make, you can place them in any position. This is why Marco Rubio has three jobs. He's already Senate confirmed for job number one. So you just name him for job number two. He doesn't have to go through it again. So what they're doing is they're trying to get Lee Zelda and who's already a cabinet member. I remember what his job is. I guess he's trade official, whatever he is.

[Lev Parnas]

Yeah.

[Joy Reid]

Some trade officials, they're going to move him over. Right. And they're going to. Or just give him a second job, like give him. And so the reality is this is a easily confirmable person. Just the way Mark Wayne Mullen, because he is a United States senator, it's very rare for senators to vote against a fellow member. And so that's why Marco Rubio slid right through because he's a senator. Right. And so they're trying to. Your point that you're making lev. Just tell me if I'm getting this wrong. This was a Venezuela Maduro operation where effectively, you take out Maduro, but you leave in his vp, meaning it's not regime change. Or you take out the Ayatollah Khamenei, but the next person to take the job is his son. It's not regime change. It's just the same regime.

[Lev Parnas]

It's just. It's what I call. With Donald Trump, it's called theatrics. It's theatrics. You know, he's a showman. He knows, and that's what he does. Good. He came out yesterday. He did not want to do that speech. They forced him to do that speech to go out there yesterday. And he did it his way anyway. We saw what happened, everybody that pushed back on it, and today he took the narrative over, basically. And that's why all of a sudden, you had breaking news. Pam Bondi, she's out. Todd Blanche is in. Nothing changed. Lee Zeldin's coming in. And the other thing. Interesting part about why Lee Zeldin is an interesting because it stalls the process. Because just think about what happens. Lee Zeldin comes in, the first thing he's going to say is, I need to get my hands on the situation.

[Joy Reid]

That's right. That's right. He's an EPA administrator.

[Lev Parnas]

Epa. Thank you. So now you have an EPA administrator with no prosec prosecutor just coming in six months before the midterms and says, okay, guys, we need to put a Hold here. I'm going to clean. Clean this up. Let me figure out. And all of a sudden, everybody's like, let's forget the Epstein files.

[Joy Reid]

He's working, he's going to be moving. Let give him time to accommodate himself. He's from the epa. He knows nothing about the eps. He needs to get read in.

[Lev Parnas]

Exactly.

[Joy Reid]

Buy time. Buy time. Phil, Phil, Phil. One thing about being a TV person, you sometimes have to fill. Donald Trump is a TV guy. Donald Trump is a performer. He's a WWE guy. Never forget. And this is something that Tommy Roadstreamer, Robbie Roadstreamer said to us, and I'll never forget it. We clipped it for a reason. Robbie Roadstreamer says when you think about Donald Trump, you have to remember that he's a Hall of Fame WWE character. He got into wwe, right, and got into the hall of Fame because he knows how to perform in that kind of a venue. And so what Donald Trump is doing, to your point, Lev, is he's giving us something to talk about right now at the top of Time magazine's website. Who is Lee Zeldin? Probably Trump's next Attorney General. The media will run off into the rabbit hole of let's talk about who Lee Zeldin is. Lee Zeldin. I'm gonna need six months to go through the Epstein files. Suddenly, the Epstein files goes off the front page.

[Lev Parnas]

Thank you. I mean, and I've been already hearing from a lot of the survivors because, you know, I've been doing a lot of active work with their lawyers and everything and people in our community, and they're just so disgust, upset, Joy, because they see it all. You know, we've spoken and I've told some of them the same thing I'm hearing, and they, you know, it's obvious, and everybody's just described, because at the end of the day, Pam Bondi still needs explaining to do and still needs to get in front of Congress and get to the bottom of what she did. But at the end, but again, like we said, Trump's a master manipulator. And right now, he's trying to basically pull the rug from underneath the Epstein survivors and the war that's going on, the hornet's nest that he opened up in the Middle East.

[Joy Reid]

Now he's creating a headline. He needs a new headline. And Pam Bondi, probably to your reporting, agreed to it because she's gonna get paid by the Qatari, she's gonna go right back to the lobbying firm, she gets a nice soft landing, she gets to her loyalty will be rewarded financially the way Donald Trump rewards everyone financially. He's just Mobutu in America. And she gets to go away, get off. She doesn't have to get screamed at or scream at members of Congress again in more hearings, no more ugly hearings for Pam. Soft landing for her. And by the way, I just wanna note that Lee Zeld is always Trump's go to Lev. Do you remember the last time he was like Lee Zeldin should be governor of New York. Lee Zeldin should run for senator of Lee Zeldin is one of his favorite go to's. Whenever he's got a problem he pulls the name Lee Zelda out the hat.

[Lev Parnas]

You want to hear something? I'll give you a little story time with love. So Lee Zeldin is an interesting character. You know I remember back in the first administration when Lee was running for Congress or center one of those races, I donated to him, I supported him and he called me back or something like that and said love, I, I can't take your support because of somebody else that, that he was taking money from. And there was another very influential Russian oligarch. I'm not going to mention the names right now, I'll save the tea for later. But Lee Zeldin has some things in his closet that if, if they do persist with Lee we will do a special joy about Lee Zeldin also. We need to, we definitely will.

[Joy Reid]

He is a former state senator from New York, New York and he was Donald Trump's go to pick to run against the current governor of New York. Donald Trump mentions him probably more than anyone else. He's his favorite choice to throw out there whenever he needs a go to guy. You know I'm, I'm surprised he wasn't ahead of Pam Bondi but I think he understands there's nobody loyaler to Donald Trump than Pam Bondi. I mean this woman as attorney general for two terms in the state of Florida had Jeffrey Epstein right there in her state. She ran vowing to bring down child predators. It was part of her brand. If you pull up her ads from when she ran for attorney general it was literally about protecting children from child sexual predators. She did literally nothing. And it wasn't her that made the sweetheart deal that Jeffrey Epstein got. But once he was there continuing to offend while she was, she did nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.

[Lev Parnas]

And you know, until this day the COVID up is worse than the crime. And you know what, the biggest thing like that I'll never forget one of the sort of when I was speaking to one of my sources and we were cracking up laughing as Pam Bondi's biggest blunder is all this is when they came and see they ran on these Epstein files. Epstein files. None of them really seen the Epstein files. None of them could imagine that Donald Trump is going to be in all over the EPC file. So when they took office, she. They ran like, oh, we're going to give out the episode. When they realized that Trump was.

[Joy Reid]

They were like, wait a minute.

[Lev Parnas]

Holy. They were like, wait a second.

[Joy Reid]

Wait a minute. Wait. We're going to. It's Trump. Trump is the one that QAnon was looking for this whole time.

[Lev Parnas]

The whole time. Are you kidding me? And we'll never forget. It was that July 4th weekend when it all turned out, when they tried to sneak it on and, like, pass it on. July 6th, all of a sudden, we're closing down the FC case. There's nothing to look at.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah, they're all learning. Look at. I want to thank everybody that is listening right now to our breaking news coverage. We can see you here on YouTube as well as on Substack. Our Twitchies are on Twitch Facebook, wherever you're listening. If you are on the Lev Parna substack. Thank you all for being here as well. We are live both on Lev's channels and on our own. We're basically wherever you're watching right now. We appreciate everybody tuning in to this the Joy Reid show special coverage of Pam Bondi's apparently theatrical dismissal by Donald Trump. Lev Parnas giving us the T that this is yet another distraction. What they would really love for us to do is talk about Lee Zeldin, talk about who he is, go into his bio, which a lot of the mainstream media is doing. Lev, I've noticed that I did a little quick spin around to see CBS's coverage, Ms. Now's coverage, and sort of the general take has been that Pam Bondi somehow failed, that there was some failure of hers that disquieted Donald Trump. That's kind of the general reporting. You're saying that's not true?

[Lev Parnas]

That's not true. No, that's. That's what they're putting out there to be able to change the narrative. But you could tell by, you know, listen, I always say with Donald Trump, the easiest way to is don't listen to what he says. Watch what he does. Just watch what happens to Pam. But if he was upset with Pam Bondi, believe me, you. You would see a different reaction. Like he was upset with Christy. Noem, and you're seeing what's happening with Chris Eve Noem. You're seeing what's happening with Corey Lewandowski. He was embarrassed, upset at even though she was a loyalist. Pam Bondi is a different type of case. She literally is a loyal. She was a loyalist even in the I remember going back to 2018. So in his first administration. So you will see that Pam Bondi will be close. First of all, nothing's going to change. And right. While everybody's chasing Lee Zelda in the meantime, you got Todd Blanche involved. So. Right.

[Joy Reid]

Let's just go through just for a moment because I just want everyone to understand a couple things. I want to start with just from what Christy know him. Jason, if you could put back up the picture which I she won't enjoy and that Brian will not enjoy seeing again. But Kristi Noem is already out. But I want you just to break down for us the difference between Kristi Noem, who's the former governor of South Dakota, who was definitely a MAGA loyalist. She presented maga. She outraged indigenous people in her state, bullied them, accused them of drug running. She was not allowed on most of the Native American land in the states. So she was basically barred from like a third of the territory of her state because she's so outraged the indigenous people there. She got a whole makeover. She did the MAGA makeover, changed her whole look, changed her whole face. You can see her new look, which people sort of mock because her face maybe falls off at night. But she, you know, wrote a book about shooting her dog in the face, all of that. But she's not Pam Bondi. Right Lev? I mean, Pam has been a Trump insider, not just a loyalist, that's an outsider like Kristi Noemi, but an insider who was on Fox like stumping for Trump even when she wasn't attorney general. She's been his person. So can you just give us the breakdown of Noem versus Bondi?

[Lev Parnas]

Yeah, no, Very, very well. Very important distinction here because Noem is even Marjorie Taylor Greene, the Marjorie Taylor Greene's the gnomes and all of them out there are are more mega loyalists that basically try to constantly get on Trump's radar. Be they were in the circle, but they were in the outer circle. And then Trump has an inner cir and I was in that inner circle. And there's very those are different people. Those are the Pam Bondies. You know, those are the right now Cash Patels of the world. Those are the people that are like the die hard loyalists that are there to be able. And then you got people that are being recommended from other mega world loyalists to him, like the Tulsi Gabbards. Tulsi Gabbard was not a Trump darling. She was recommended by others in the mega world, which now he's complaining about out, you know, Pam Bondi. He picked himself. She was not recommended by nobody else. So those, those are the difference. And that's a very good citation. Christine. She was a governor. She jumped on the band MAGA bandwagon and basically got, you know, Trump gave her a position because she was out there as a spokesperson for their brand, basically for the MAGA brand. But she was never his internal loyalist like a Pam Bondi. She even, you know, remember she. His case in Florida where he had the 25,000 which she made go away, going back in all the way. 2,000. I don't even know, 15, 14, whatever, all the way. So they've had a relationship, Pam. And, and I remember even watching their relationship get closer and closer over the. Over the Rondy sentence. This campaign in 2018. I remember because we were all on that campaign also. And I remember that's when her relationship really into. Into Trump's orbit, like group grew crazily.

[Joy Reid]

And just, just for those of you who are unfamiliar with all of the many, many, many corrupt stories of Pam Bondi, what Lev is talking about is the $50,000 donation to Pam Bondi's. I think it was a reelect that Donald Trump made, but he made it illegally through his foundation. Foundations which are 501 C3s or C4s are not allowed to give financial contributions. His did, and it happened. And he did that and gave her that donation at a time when other states were investigating Trump University for being a fraud, including Letitia James. Right. It was either Letitia James or her predecessor, I think it was. Let me.

[Lev Parnas]

Yeah.

[Joy Reid]

And so there was a scam called Trump University where Donald Trump was getting thousands and thousands of people to sign up for this university where you paid a lot of money, but you didn't get a diploma, nor did you get anything out of it to teach you to be financially successful like him. The way to be financially successful like Trump is inherit $317 million. Okay. That is how to be financially successful like him. There is no way for him to teach you that unless you have a daddy named Donald Trump Senior Fred Trump. Right. And so Pam Bondi declined after getting that $50,000, I think, or 25,000. You're right. Sorry. We didn't want to inflate it. Right. $25,000 donation. She declined on behalf of the state of Florida to join the other attorneys general who were investigating Trump University. Now, whether those things are connected, we can't prove because there was never a case adjudicated about it. It might have just been completely coincidental timing, but it definitely made her a favorite. And she's been like, Trump insider, you know, he's been like kind of her like, you know, sugar daddy ever since. Like, he loves Bamboni. And he put her in. Let's go through some of these because there are, as you said, Lev, they're the people Donald Trump likes and picks, the Pam Bondies of the world. He initially picked Matt Gaetz, but he had to withdraw because of the cases, the, you know, the, the allegations. Right. About sexual trafficking of a minor. And he was going to have an ethics investigation. He'd rather resign from Congress. So he then went to Pam Bondi. There are people like him and people like Hegseth, who Donald Trump liked him on tv. He wanted him to be secretary of Defense because that's. He is aesthetically. Sorry, I'm with my Invisalign his aesthetically. What Donald Trump likes. He likes his look. He picked him. But then there are people like Marco Rubio, who other people are like, pick that guy. That's the right guy for you. Or people like J.D. vance and people like Tulsi Gabbard. And so J.D. comes from Tucker Carlson and Peter Thiel saying, hey, you should pick J.D. vance. And. Because they wanted J.D. vance in there. And in fact, there's a New York Times story that says that Tucker Carlson warned Donald Trump that if he picked Rubio instead of Vance as his VP, he might get assassinated because the deep state is going to want Rubio to take his place. So he agreed and took on J.D. vance, who's not a Trump guy. He said he hates Trump. He said Trump is maybe Hitler. Right. But he picked him up. So there are these people who are like kind of they're in, but they're not Trump people. So that brings me to Tulsi. Let's talk about Tulsi because they don't want us to talk about Tulsi today.

[Lev Parnas]

But I want to talk about.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah, tell me about what's happening with her.

[Lev Parnas]

Well, see, Tulsi is complex because she also comes from the Tucker Carlson fraction. She comes also, and she was anti attacking Iran, obviously. She, she's has her relationships with, with Putin, obviously. And that was another thing that she was taken out of the mix. See When Tulsi came into the dni, she was supposed to handle the relationship between Russia, America. But what a lot of people don't realize is what Trump does and what he did in his first administration. But back then we were called the shadow diplomacy. But this time he put Tulsi on the side and said, woodkoff is going in, Kushner is going in. And they started handling those relationships, which again, underestimated her power, underestimated with her. What he sent her on doing is dealing with, which I've been talking about for a while now, is her and Ratcliffe dealing with changing the narrative of the 2020 elections and election reform and looking into. And that's why he sent her to Georgia. That's why you've seen her dealing with Arizona and what's called Puerto Rican, all the, and even reports about her maybe even talking with Maduro or his regime. Actually, one of the people that I did report about that they're trying to get is Raul Goren, who is actually one of the individuals that lobbied on behalf of Maduro. He's right now been arrested in Venezuela and being probably extradited to the United States because they need that final piece of the puzzle to say that, to get that, that foreign interference so Trump could use that for his election. Federalization of certain state election, which, I mean, we'll see where it goes. I spoke to Congressman Raskin and others when I was in D.C. they all told me it's a state issue, it's going to go to the courts. But then again, it's something that's going to mess up our elections. And they all agree with me that it's not a good thing. So Tulsi's in a different position. Tulsi's not his loyalist, but he is, she is right now. And that's why Trump does. Trump does not want her to go. That's why even though she's getting pressured by the likes of the Laura Loomers of the world and either that are pushing Trump, that she's not a loyalist, that she has 20, 28ambitions, that she's going to stab Trump in the back, Trump's still conflated because A, he really wants this foreign interference platform and he feels that Tulsi's like right there to get him that stuff. And also he doesn't want her on Tucker Carlson the next day blowing up all of this thing, which then takes it to another level. So that's why Tulsi's a different situation. And we might, you know, some I, I Spoke to some people today, were literally telling me she might be gone today because that's why he's getting rid of Pam, to muddy the waters. So this way you won't hear the effect, but we'll see what happens. It'll be interesting to see if she's gone today or if they work it out. But Chelsea is a different, is a, is a very joker in his, in his cars right now that he does not, does not want because you're right, she does come from that Tucker Carlson fraction. And she, and she's very opinionated and has her own ideas. She was never, she was also not a hardcore Trumper. See, that's the whole thing. See, there's, you know, Pam Bondi is a hardcore Trumper. She was on the campaign trail with her. Others were like you said, were introduced to him and not like recommended, just like in his first administration. Like, you know, I remember when, during the Mueller report. How did he get Bill Barr? It was because Jodi Genova and Victoria Tunzing and Rudy and myself that were pushing Bill Barr on him because of the relation Victoria had with them. If Trump had no relationship with Bill Barr, he regrets Bill Barr till this day. But Bill Barr was there to help him with the Mueller report. You know what I'm saying to you?

[Joy Reid]

Yeah. Didn't he originally want Giuliani?

[Lev Parnas]

He wanted Giuliani before Sessions even. And that's why, that's why him and Giuliani always had that love hate, because Giuliani wanted to be secretary of State. But one time on the plane he fell asleep and Trump made a comment, look at him. Like, like he's falling asleep and he wants to be secretary and he want, and Trump really wanted him to be Attorney General because he knew that Giuliani was a loyalist and would be able to go after and do what Pam Bondi is doing now. Yeah, but, but, but, you know, because Giuliani backed out Sessions and here we are, you know, the rest of it.

[Joy Reid]

I want to go back for a minute. This is all really fascinating and I really appreciate you, Lev. And Lev Parnas is one of our favorite guests because he gives us all of this context and information back in sort of the back end. He takes us behind the scenes. I want to go back to Tulsi for just a moment because right now the rift in MAGA is between the hyper pro Israel Miga wing, we can sort of call them the Make Israel Great Again wing, the wing that wants greater Israel, the Laura Loomers, Laura Loomer, the what's his name? Mark Levin, the radio host, of course. What's his name? The, the.

[Lev Parnas]

The.

[Joy Reid]

The.

[Lev Parnas]

The. Ben Shapiro.

[Joy Reid]

Ben Shapiro. The sort of podcast world that are like really into this war with Iran. They want this war with Iran. They want whatever BB Netanyahu wants. They want Eretz Israel and they want Trump to stay loyal to Israel and do what Israel wants. And then there's this other wing that Tucker Carlson is kind of the de facto leader of, at least on the podcast side. Everyone goes right to him because he's kind of the leader. But you also have Nick Fuentes in that category. The. The America first crowd that are sort of battling to pull MAGA away from the kind of hyper pro Israel. Do whatever Israel wants. So that. That's like the schism, right? So you have Tulsi Gabbard sitting here, who comes, as you said, from that wing. From the wing that she's a former Democrat. She was a backbench Democratic congresswoman. She was never a Republican that I know of. I think she went straight from that to like an independent. She ran for president as a Democrat in 2020. Okay. She was calling Kamala Harris a warmonger and saying she might start World War iii. That's how far to the left of Kamala Harris she was. And so she comes along very much against harming Bashar Al Assad in Syria. She was seen as almost an Assad apologist. She's very much against a nuclear posture toward North Korea. She's on record as saying that Donald Trump in his first term should talk to Kim Jong Un very much against arming Ukraine because she thinks that might bring about World War II and very much against going to war in Iran. She went and testified that Iran did not pose a nuclear threat to the US She's Joe Kent's boss. What is the outcome? What was the outcome when Joe Kent quit and then went public and said he had doubts about this Iran war that Charlie Kirk presented Donald Trump doubts about going to war with Iran and that he couldn't stay because of the Iran war. How did that blow back on Tulsi?

[Lev Parnas]

Well, this is the interesting part, what I'm hearing from people on the inside, that this was, again, it's not coincidence. Joe Kent didn't just wake up one morning and say, I'm gonna go do this. He. This was coordinated with Kutolsi. This was similar. See, when you're dealing with criminals and mobsters and people like that, you got. They do they send messages to each other just like, like Maxwell Gazelle. Maxwell sent A message to Trump with that picture of the birthday card. And then that, remember, that's how it all started. All of a sudden, Wall Street Journal sent that birthday card. Next thing you know, and you're saying

[Joy Reid]

that came from Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Lev Parnas]

Ghislaine Maxwell. Correct. The next thing you know, you saw what's his name, Blanche, sitting down with her. And here we are with the Epstein files. Same thing here. Tulsi, like I said, she has, you know, she, she's represents a very big, big fraction of a wing where also JD Vance is a part of. And that's why you see J.D. vance very quiet lately. And a lot of things, like you hear him like, you know, a mouse in the shade, you know, like you can't even hear him. And they sent Trump a message through Joe Kent. Joe Kent was the guy was that sent the message. That's why literally after he came out and said it, he went on Tucker the next day and exploded the whole thing. Now you're he and that's why you're seeing a lot of the distractions happening on the face value. But behind the scene, Trump's biggest right now headache is Tulsi Gabber and how to deal with her and how to maintain and control the situation. Because like you said, she has, she's, she's, she's basically, you know, could throw a bomb on a lot of things that is going on there.

[Joy Reid]

And she represents the anti war mood of his base. I mean, his Donald Trump's core MAGA bait. You're talking about the voters, not the people who are insiders like you or not the people who are insiders at all.

[Survivor Advocate]

All.

[Joy Reid]

We're talking about his core base, the Marjorie Taylor Greene type. The ones who are fans, they're anti war, they are America Firsters. They do not want the United States in global war. They actually align with progressives on this. Progressives and MAGA actually agree on this one thing, that we should not be the world's police. We should not be running around doing foreign wars instead of investing in the United States. That's his base. And into your point, you now have a message, clearly said that Joe Kent represents that base. Right? They are far right. They like, they want immigration, austerity, they want to deport all the immigrants. They're hard right.

[Lev Parnas]

White national Christian.

[Joy Reid]

White Christian nationalists. They are white Christian nationalists. Exactly. They are not. These are not like nice people. They're not like progressive. They want hardcore. They want to get all the brown immigrants out. And they don't want to Be in foreign wars. Joe Kent represents that wing, right. So he's there. Do you know what it is he's being investigated for? Because he leaves and suddenly we then get the leak week that he's under FBI investigation. Do we know what he's being investigated for?

[Lev Parnas]

I don't know exactly. But what I'm hearing, it was a, it was a message for Tulsi and that's why it's, it's more again right now, Joe, Joe Kent is more of a messenger and a message both ways and being used to, to negotiate with Tulsi because she's the, she's the main fraction of if she leaves. It's a major issue, you know, because again, Joe can't, they can't keep her quiet. That correct. And she knows too much. And she's been, you know, completely, especially with what's going on behind the scenes, foreign elections. She imagine she comes out and says Trump's trying to get us into another war somewhere. And you know, and that's why right now you have a hardcore Laura Loomer attack on her. And because Laura Loomer is obviously probably has maybe even better sources than me. But for this is the one time me and her are reporting the same thing.

[Joy Reid]

Reporting the same thing. Yeah. Laura Loomer is hardcore.

[Lev Parnas]

It's like weird. But this is the same, you know, so like, you know, take it for what it is. But you know, we're both say, you know, both our sources are saying that Tulsi is a major problem in Trump's atmosphere right now.

[Joy Reid]

He yesterday said regime change was not our goal. We never said regime change. But literally yesterday Hegseth said they did regime change. Right. So they're having like an internal battle as to what the war is about. But I want to go back to this other thing he said and I think it's fascinating, I want to dig a little deeper on it. That what Donald Trump needs Tulsi Gabbard for. That's why again and again, thank you all for tuning into this live. We are trying to redirect you. Pam Bondi is the COVID story, but it is Tulsi Gabbard who's the story. And Tulsi Gabbard is a non loyalist. She's not an OG MAGA person and she has actually strong core beliefs about staying out of foreign wars. They're consistent. You could agree with her or not agree with her on Ukraine or other things. She consistent. But Donald Trump, if you are, if I'm, and if I'm getting this correct Lev, and correct me if I'm wrong, was using her and also took out Maduro, not so much for the purposes of taking over the oil, necessarily, all the other things, maybe all the other things too. But in order to use Maduro to advance this cockamamie theory that he was trying to prove in 2020 that somehow Maduro's very dead predecessor, the former dictator Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, stole the election in 2020. I want you all to pay attention to this. Donald Trump has been trying to put forward a theory since he lost to Joe Biden in 2020 that the theft of the election was in two parts. Part one was that millions of illegal immigrants voted millions of people who are undocumented no right to be in the country, nonetheless voted millions of them. And that was, and that that was part of the reason he won. The second reason he said, well, there were three reasons. The second reason is illegal mail in ballots and mail in ballots are de facto illegal and dead people names were on these bailouts. And that was the second reason. But the third reason Donald Trump has put forward is that somehow Hugo Chavez got involved in rigging the machines from the grave. Hugo Chavez. And so he. My guess is they've got Maduro locked up somewhere with his wife and they're doing to him what we tried to do with Saddam Hussein. Right. You're going to admit. Admitted. We're going to make you admit that your country really stole the election for Trump and then maybe we'll let you go, maybe give you some cash. Is that what she is? Is that the job they've given her, that she needs to go out there and prove that somehow Hugo Chavez stole the election.

[Lev Parnas]

Yeah. And that's why. Very well said, Joy. Not only am I hearing that they're trying to get Maduro, but also what happened yesterday that nobody's reporting on. A few media outlets says that Trump lifted all the sanctions off of the. Dulcie Rodriguez, that's the vice president of the exact same regime. Just like, you know, say you can't make it up. I mean, and they do it on a time where you can't. It's so much media coming out. You don't you. Who sees that Dulcie Rodriguez is now all of a sudden not a sanction, now she's an official leader. And that's another reason why, as I told you, they're trying to get Raul Goren, who is, was the gentleman involved in Maduro's like literally right hand man to have Delsey bring him over here and put pressure on Maduro and to be able to get her to say that they, that Venezuela was somehow involved in the smartmatic machines. This was, you know, that whole theory that they had that, you know, was corrupt. And to be able to use that to. All he needs that is to use that to be able to start to try to federalize elections in certain states.

[Joy Reid]

And so, by the way, just to stop you for just one minute, I'm sorry to keep interrupting you. I just want to make sure that everybody's keeping out because you give so much information. I want to make sure we break it down so people get it in pieces that what Donald Trump has been trying to do. Donald Trump elections in the United States are state based. They are state. They are 50 state elections. Every, every state has its own election and the federal government does not manage them. But there is a one small window of opportunity Donald Trump would have to federalize elections if he could declare a national emergency, meaning that there was a foreign threat to our elections, that we had a foreign threat, that there was foreign interference. His people probably Todd Blanche is telling whoever is telling him that's the one way that he could go right back to John Roberts and the very complicit majority on the Supreme Court and say, look, we need to federalize elections in just these states. Maybe we need to take over the elections in these swing states that are all going to happen to be swing states that, that he could probably lose in an election or that might vote Republican in congressional elections and federalize them and take over the elections, ban mail in balloting, decide who can vote. It's why they want to do birthright citizenship. They want to be able to determine who's a citizen so that they can denaturalize anyone they think might not vote for them and denaturalize anyone who is a dissident, who is against the regime. If he has that power, that king like power to federalize elections, even in a small number of states, there'll be no more free and fair elections. Let's just be clear. But he needs a casus belli, as they call it. When you go to war, you need a cause. You need something you can adjudicate that you can legally determine. This is why when he tried to steal the election before Good Friends, he tried to put in a fake attorney general. I can't remember the guy's name. He was like, you be the attorney general and you need to sign off and say, we in the Justice Department have determined that there was fraud in these elections. So we don't believe the elections are valid in these states, Michigan, Georgia, whichever. That's what he wanted. But he couldn't get anyone to do it. And so now Lev is what you're saying that this is what he's trying to do to try to create a hooked up scheme that says Venezuela was involved in election theft and therefore federalize the elections 100%.

[Lev Parnas]

And that's why Tulsi Gabbard is the link to, you know, because she's been working on this for a while now in the group and she's leading kind of the charge. And that's why they're having a lot of. It's not as simple as just getting rid of Tulsi Gabbard and getting a. So there's a. Yeah, a lot of, when you have a lot of corruption like that going on, it's like, you know, it's, it's difficult, you know, because you got, everybody has something on each other. So. Yeah, you are 100, right, Joy? This whole Pam Bondi thing, nothing changed, folks. Pam Bondi's gone top. Blanche is in, Maduro's gone. Nothing changed. Everything is moving along the same. Except for now the media is going to be changing, facing who this Lee Zeldin is. He'll throw some more names out there. We'll have some, you know, the Democrats are going to try a subpoena now. Pam Bondi Comer is going to now say we don't need to talk to her now because she's no longer the ag. You're gonna, you're gonna have a lot of, you know, news media. But the truth is you're hearing it first on Joy and read that this is all of theatrics to show the real problems they're having is a, he has a major problem with this hornet's nest in Iran. He cannot stop it. He cannot control it. Oil prices are going higher. And if you think about the difference between just six months ago, before Trump came into office, who was prosperous? America was prosperous. Our allies were prosperous. Life was going on. You might have now. And who is almost being in the choke to death? Venezuela, Russia. You know, China was having problems. Now take a look now all of a sudden Russia is flourishing, China is sitting, doesn't have to do anything. Trump is their number one. Iran, give them all the oil they want. Even Iran that, you know, is being bombarded is making more money on their oil than they made that they made before. Because just think about, he lifted the sanctions on Iran, on Russia. We got Russian ships bringing oil to Cuba now Does. I mean, you can make it up. And the money, and I keep saying, follow the money because this is where it's all. Because where is the money? It's all in Qatar where Pam Bondi was the lobbyist. So here we go. We circled it all back.

[Joy Reid]

It's like one big wheel that just keeps turning for the corruption. Before I let you go, I know you have a four o', clock, I don't want to hold you. But Maria Machado, she's done everything but offered to become the New Donald Trump, Mrs. Trump, she's offered to do everything except replace Melania. She said, you can have my Nobel Peace Prize, I'll give you all the oil in under the ground in Venezuela, just let me be president. Why do they prefer Dulce to Maria Machado? She's thrown herself at Donald Trump's feet after getting her Nobel Peace Prize and giving him the medal.

[Lev Parnas]

Because Maria Machado is an honest human being and Dulcie Rodriguez is corrupt. And Trump, for him to be able to do what he wants to do, needs somebody that will play the game. And they're lying to Machada. Actually, I'm going to get in touch with her. I have people that are working on it and to be able to help her out, because right now they're giving a. I know Rubio met with her. They're giving her. They opened up her office again in Venezuela. There again, it's theatrics, you know, they're like, in the meantime, like they're giving it that bone, but meanwhile making Del C more powerful, more stronger, where Machada, eventually we won't even have a chance, you know what I'm saying to you? But we're going to try to make a difference, try to expose their corruption, just like what you're doing. Thank God and keep talking. True to power. The one thing I do, I say before I go, Joy, I have this thing we're putting together right now and I'm going to come to you, I'm going to need your help. So you know how the no Kings rallies and how everybody is doing. So I came up with this idea with some of my volunteers and said we need action every day, but we can't get 8, 9 million people in the streets every day. People got to work, people are doing, but we can't just have this, this once in a while rally. So I, what we're going to do is we're going to put on a campaign right now, in the next few days where it's, we're going to call and email and flood the offices of every Republican congressperson so they can't work. They're going to get tens of thousands of calls, hundreds of thousands of emails. We're going to flood them and shut them down until they do what we need to. We're going to make our voices heard. And that protest could happen every day from our office, wherever you are. You could just send a letter, make a phone call. We're gonna make it happen. And enough is enough. If we get 8 million people calling email these congresspeople every day, they won't be able to do anything besides listening to the power of the people. And that's something we're gonna put together right now. And I'm gonna need everybody's help to making sure we all go out there and make our difference.

[Joy Reid]

Count done, done and dusted. All you need to do is ask. And we are here for you. Team TJRS is here for you. Labs. And just send us the link. Tell us how to get it out there. We will publicize it. You all please subscribe to Lever members and make sure that you support this man for Congress. We need you in Congress, my friend. This is the kind of accountability that we need in the United States Congress. I appreciate you so much, Lev. Thank you. Thank you, thank you.

[Lev Parnas]

I appreciate you. God bless you, Joy.

[Joy Reid]

Have a wonderful day. Thank you so much. Appreciate you. Lev Parnas, everyone. We always love to call on him because he will not only bring you the tea, but he's got the inside scoop, but he's also got the context that we need. So just to. To summarize what you have all heard today, Pam Bondi is the lure. You know, when you go out fishing, you put a worm on the end of the hook, and when the fish bites it, they can't let go. And that's how you catch the fish, right? You give them something shiny, something that looks tasty and something that they want to eat. They grab it, they bite it, they hook on, and that's it. The news media is going to grab that hook. Pam Bondi fired. That's the hook, but that's not the story. But once they've bitten on it, they're not gonna be able to let go. Next step. And I'm going to just take you behind the scenes of how mainstream media works. They're going to now do deep dives on Lee Zeldin. He's a former state senator from New York, somebody who wanted to be governor of New York. Blah. But we're going to go into that then we're going to go into. Can he be confirmed? Let's go and cover the confirmation of Lee Zeldin. Will Lee Zeldin be a different kind of Attorney general? Can he fix the corrupt? No, he can't fix the corruption. Just know that Donald Trump had two main lawyers. They had three lawyers when he went through the trial, his criminal trial, the trial that turned him into a felon. And this was the trial at which he was adjudicated to have paid Stormy Daniels to cover up the affair, the one nighter he had with Stormy Daniels. And he covered it up in their business books, the way that he paid. Remember, this was the case in which Michael Cohen took out a HELOC load in order to help make payments to another of the two, up to Stormy Daniels. And that's how he got pulled in as a witness. Remember that trial in New York? His attorneys, Donald Trump's attorneys in that case, which he lost, were Todd Blanche, who is now the Deputy Attorney General of the United States, a woman named Susan Nichelle, who is gone for all I can tells and purposes, I have no idea where she's gone, and Emile Beauvais, who is now also a Deputy Attorney General of the United States. And Lev Parnas just told you that what you just saw in the Justice Department is exactly what you saw in the nation of Venezuela. A decapitation. Without regime change in Venezuela, the United States military kidnapped the President, Nicolas Maduro, and his wife broke his wife's hip in the process. In a clean, seemingly easy operation, just swiftly grabbed the two of them, brought them to the United States on charges that they are trafficking drugs, locked them up, and now we're interrogating them. We don't know what they're asking them, but I'm guessing what they're probably asking them is what do we have to do to make you tell us and tell the world a lie that it was really Venezuela that genuinely did steal the election from Donald Trump? What do we have to do to get you to say that your very dead predecessor rigged the smartmatic machines to try to make Donald Trump lose? That's what we need you to say. Now, there are rewards if you say it, and there are penalties if you don't. You might go to jail for the rest of your life. And we did release another former president of a South American country who really was selling drugs. So we're happy to do clemency, too. We can do mercy or we can do, you know, pain. So they've got him and Tulsi Gabbard who is the Director of National Intelligence in charge of 18. All 18. All 18 intelligence services, including the CIA, including the FA. She's in charge of all of them. That lady is still there. And what they need her to do is to find this alleged, make this case, get out there and figure out a way to make this case. That's why she was in Georgia when they confiscated those ballots. That's why Arizona is confiscating ballots. They're trying to build a case because Donald Trump needs it emotionally. But it's not just an emotional need that he has to somehow go back in time and prove that he never really lost the election in 2020, that it stolen from him. He's doing all of these things to try to get that to be true, but he needs it to be true in order to make a case to the Supreme Court that there's a federal emergency that requires the nationalization of the next election. This is all about staying in power and ensuring that Republicans keep control of the House and Senate, that they cannot be voted out, that mail in ballots can't be used to vote them out, and that anyone with a Z at the end of their name can be thrown off the ballots and presumed to be an illegal immigrant. This is everything they're doing is about finding ways to reduce the size of the voting population, to turn voters into illegal voters, to turn absentee ballots into illegal, and to claim that in 2020 there was this vast foreign, foreign created crime that cost Donald Trump the election. And they have to keep saying that. And everyone who rolls with Trump has to keep saying it. And Tulsi Gabbard's job is to prove it. Now, it isn't true. So there's no way to prove something it isn't true. But her job is to find this fake evidence, right? And then all of a sudden her deputy resigns and her natural anti war inclinations keep on spilling out as she's being interrogated in front of Congress because she really, it's hard for her to hide the fact that she herself did not believe in the war in Iran any more than Joe Kent did. So that's a problem. She's a problem. She doesn't come from Trump world. She's not a natural Trumper. Her, she's not an insider. She's a problem. They'd love to get rid of her. The Laura Loomers of the world, the Mark Levins of the world would like her out because she stands in the way of getting MAGA to believe that this is some glorious war in Iran that we need to fight because it's America first to convince them that this is an America first war, not a sham. That's enriching a small number of people who are betting against the oil markets. That's enriching Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff, who went over there to pretend like they were negotiating with their hands out the whole time, as we heard on this show, looking for more cash, like what they got from the Saudis. It's enriching a small number of people, maybe even Donald Trump, whoever's betting on the markets, but it's making all the rest of us poorer. It's a terrible decision that is now potentially going to bankrupt the United States. It's ruining the perception of our military's elite superiority because we can't beat Iran any more than we could beat Afghanistan or Iraq or Vietnam or Korea. It's exposing the United States as not so much a superpower, but as a gangster led government. A gangster government. Tulsi Gabbard is necessary to making the case that, no, no, this isn't against the government. We are a victim of international attacks on our elections. Like, they need her. The other issue Donald Trump has going into these midterms, because again, he cannot afford to lose these midterms, because once you have a Democratic controlled House and maybe a Democratic controlled Senate, those hearings are going to be ugly. Those hearings are going to be ugly and they could result in some people going to jail. And so Pam Bondi is the distraction. She's the. She is the worm on the end of the hook to get the media to focus on her being thrown out. And Lee Zeldin coming in. Lee Zeldin, who of course is going to need a few months to get up to speed on the Epstein files. You can't do anything about the Epstein files. That takes the Epstein files off the table. That's gone, boom, poof, gone without her there. They can now hide whatever else is in the Epstein files until after the election because Lee Zelda needs time. He has to get confirmed and then he has to get up to speed. So that takes that off the table and the distraction of her getting fired becomes a thing. I'm even doing breaking news on we at the Joy Reid show here. We are doing breaking news on it. It gets everybody talking about it. But unlike most in the media, we're also going to talk about the other ladies he don't want to talk about, because the other ladies that he doesn't want to talk about are Kristi Noeman. Her husband and that scandal. They don't want us talking about that. They don't want us talking about the other ladies that they would like to hide, which is the victims of the Epstein of Jeffrey Epstein and whoever, this cabal of sex traffickers. Or they don't want to talk about them. And they don't want us talking about Tulsi Gabbard because Tulsi Gabbard would be very inconvenient to fire. Because if they fire Tulsi Gabbard, she might talk. She not loyal. That lady has no inherent loyalty to Trump. And she has an actual ideology. The rest of these people have no beliefs. I've been following Tulsi Gabbard's career for a while. Some of us think she's a bit odd. Really odd. When she was a backbench member of the United States House of Representatives, she was a backbencher. But she has very firm anti war beliefs that would actually line up on the progressive side just as much as they line up on the MAGA side. She's a wild card. If you fire her, it's a different game you're playing because she might also run right to Tucker Carlson and she might say some things more even than her deputy Joe Kent said. And Joe Kent has already said that he was prevented, he and his team were prevented from fully investigating the Charlie Kirk murder and any potential foreign involvement there. They were prevented from fully investigating the assassination attempt against Donald Trump when he was a candidate for president. And any foreign involvement there potential. And he's saying that he doesn't know that there was foreign involvement, but they weren't even allowed to ask the questions. So he sent a message, as Lev Parnas has reported. He left in order to send a message back to Trump that, hey, your base is not down with this. Israel first do whatever Bibi Netanyahu. Bibi the butcher speaks and says, jump and you say, how high? Your base ain't down for that. We represent that wing, this Tucker wing that does pose an existential threat to Trump. Trump brought, remember Trump did the story about, you know, I was a snake when you let me in. Well, Donald Trump is the snake that this country let in last November. But he's got some snakes of his own, people who are not necessarily loyal, who know some things and who knows exactly what he's doing. One of them won't talk. Pam Bondi. She'll do what she's told. She'll go and get her Qatar money, go back, become a lobbyist, as Lev Parnas has reported. She'll have a nice soft landing back at the old lobbying firm, go and collect some more Qatar dollars and, and stuff her pockets like Jared Kushner and Steve Whitcoff are doing. She'll be fine. When she goes, nothing happens to Donald Trump. She'll go and she'll stay loyal. She'll go on Fox and talk about how Donald Trump is great. Now the down was at 50,000. That's all she'll do. You can get rid of her. You can get rid of Kristi Noem. She's now embarrassed you. She embarrassed you at those hearings. And of course he got rid of her. And even after she's gone, she's still embarrassing him now with her husband's dirty laundry, apparently double D size dirty laundry being thrown out there. She continues to humiliate Donald Trump, but she was never a Trump person anyway. She was just a hanger on, like Marjorie Taylor Greene. You can get rid of her consequence free. What's she gonna say? She's the one who called Alex Preddy and Renee Nicole good terrorists. She's the one who faces potential legal liability if there's ever a real Attorney General. She's the one who potentially could face real serious liabilities for the things that she did as the head of the Department of Homeland Security. She's the one who might need a pardon from Donald Trump. So there's only a limit to what she's going to be able to do or say. What's she going to do? Anything you say, somebody don't put out all her husband's dirt. Kristi Noem is completely safe to fire. What's Corey Lewandowski gonna do? He's got a history of alleged abuse of women. There's all sorts of dirt. It takes two seconds to Google Cory Lewandowski's dirt. And there's also the alleged affair with Chrissy Owen. What's he gonna do? Nothing. So most of the people that Donald Trump is pushing out of his administration are perfectly safe to get rid of, but there's one who's not. And this is the reason that when I was texting with Lev and asked him to come on, this is the thing that he, it was his first text was, yes, happy to come on, talk about Pam. But the follow up was we got to talk about Tulsi as well. Because the real person that's very, very, very high consequences to fire would be her. When you build, when you are a gangster, what you want is everyone in the gang to, you know, to get dirty, to commit a crime. Right. When you have a gang, if your gang is about killing people, you need everybody in the gang to get dirty. You need to. They need to also kill somebody. They need to hurt somebody. They need to commit a crime, because if they've committed a crime, you have something on them. They have to stay loyal because they're all dirty. Everyone in this regime is dirty. Hagseth definitely could be accused of war crimes. There's so there's 10 or 12 different things you could accuse Hagseth of when it comes to maybe he's a war criminal. It's not been adjudicated that he's a war criminal. Not yet, but he's definitely in jeopardy. The guy from the real world, complete rank incompetence. 60 Minutes, which still exists, did a story that, weirdly enough, didn't get a lot of attention even from 60 Minutes. Their YouTube page didn't do very well, but it was a terrifying story about the incompetency and the defunding of ts, of tsa, the Transportation Safety Administration, the number of. Of air traffic controllers they fired that more than 80 near misses of military and commercial planes coming out of the, what they call Reagan Airport, DCA Airport in Washington, D.C. the challenges at LaGuardia Airport and other airports, how unsafe it basically is to fly, how risky it is, because they do doubt. So many people got rid of so many staff that had a lot of experience, pushed them out the door to try to save a few coins to, you know, shore up the budget for that massive tax cut for the super rich that gutted the government, took away almost everything, even needed things to pay for that tax cut, and that story went away. Right? So that guy's a disaster. He's definitely in jeopardy. There's some liability potentially there. I mean, if I'm him, I'm not feeling very secure. So there are lots of people Donald Trump could get rid of, you know, who would not really be that unsafe to get rid of. He'd get rid of them probably consequence free. What's that kid gonna do? But this lady, if she genuinely is, is being tasked with dredging up a false case of foreign interference in the 2020 election into attempting to bludgeon the former dictator of Venezuela into admitting it, and we don't know that any of this is happening. I'm just saying, if that is happening, if she is involved, as Lev has indicated, in trying to dredge up a false case of foreign interference in the 2020 election in order to justify Donald Trump attempting to steal the 2026 midterms or the 2028 election. If she's doing that, then the person that's got the, the dirt, the person that's got the whip hand, is called Tulsi Gabbard. The person that's got the dirt and the information that could genuinely harm Donald Trump is not Pam Bondi, who's also in jeopardy and may be dirty and maybe committed a crime and not releasing all the Epstein files. We don't know. Who knows when there's a real attorney general. We'll find out out who did what. We'll find out. We don't know. We can't accuse anyone of committing crimes. We just know that a lot of them seem dirty. But this lady right here, she actually loved them or not, has convictions and it's not clear whether she's dirtied herself in the process of doing what they wanted her to do. But even if she has and she was willing to talk about it and she doesn't come from inside Trump world and if they let her go, no one knows what happens next. No one knows what she is willing to say. No one knows what she knows. No one knows what she knows about Jo Kent, about the things Jo Kent was alleging. That was her underling. He worked for her, he reported up to her. No one knows what she has found out as she's gone to Fulton County, Georgia and stood in the background while they took those ballots. What does she know about why she was there, there? It's interesting. The Trump administration has a lot of very strange people. The one I would love to interview is Tulsi Gabbard, because again, Tulsi is a ideologue, not a MAGA ideologue, but just an actual ideologue who has very strong anti war convictions. And that is inside the administration doing things that seem odd. And if they let her go, nobody knows what she's going to say. But it's a decent bet that the things she said would not be helpful to Donald Trump, would not be helpful to the regime. They might want to hang on to her. They might not want to let that particular lady go, but they still might because I'm sure there is pressure. If Lev is reporting it, I believe it that there's pressure from the Laura Loomers of the world, the Mark Levins, the we need to bomb Iran and the rest of the Middle East. That crowd probably wants her gone because she stands in the way potentially of getting the MAGA base on board with the war. And this speech that Donald Trump did yesterday didn't do it. He contradicted himself in the speech. He contradicted Pete Hegseth. He seemed incoherent. The reviews I've seen of it is that it just sounded like his truth Social made live. He rambled. And Donald Trump no longer has the performative ability to really save himself. He can't talk his way out of it because, you know, he's an old man who sounds like an old geezer when he talks and doesn't sound 100% coherent. So there's really no way to get out of this situation now. He's put himself in a Vietnam style wartime situation that is only financially benefiting Jared. Steve Witkoff, Bibi Netanyahu, China and Russia and Venezuela. Cuba is now getting oil on tankers from Russia. They're being supplied for their by their energy, by Russia. That's the thing. We almost had a Cuba missing crisis about Russia dealing directly with Cuba. He's opened the door to that. He's lifted the sanctions on Russia. Russia's making tons of money now, enough money to keep financing their war in Ukraine. He's lifted the sanctions on oil from Iran. He's lifted the sanctions on the current new vice president dictator of Venezuela. All our enemies, all our adversaries are financially benefiting from this war, but the American people are suffering because we can't afford food. Trucking is a problem. Airlines are a problem. Food's more expensive. Gas is more expensive. Natural gas is more expensive. Everything's more expensive. A recession is looming. Unemployment is rising. America is a shit show economically because Donald Trump couldn't be stopped from following Bibi Netanyahu into World War three. It just makes no sense. I appreciate all of you guys tuning in, but we're in trouble. But the bottom line, what I will say to you is that what we've learned on today is how the administration rolls. We now know something about their strategy. And knowing is half the battle now that we know that their strategy is they throw someone off the ship who's got a life raft underneath Pam Bondi to get the rest of the whole media to focus on her and to focus on her replacement so that they will stop focusing on the Epstein files, stop focusing on the other members of the administration and stop focusing on the war in Iran. If they can grab a news cycle or two that are not about Iran, not about Epstein and not about Trump's failures, not about the recession, not about gas prices, not about food prices, not about airline catastrophes and havoc, not about ICE killing people, not about ICE taking unpaid TSA people's jobs not about all the terrible things happening. Not about his 30% approval rating at this point on the economy in the latest CNN poll, his 35% approval rating in the Fox poll. We're not talking about Donald Trump's failures or whatever a failed presidency he's having. Again, if we can just get a news cycle or two where we're just talking about Pam Bondi and Lee Zeldin, that is a win for them. So here's what we're gonna do in independent media. We're not gonna give them a win. They do not get one day of a news cycle that is in their favor. They do not get one day to distract the American people. Talking about Pamela Joe Bondi, who's just gonna go back to lobbying for Qatar. She's gonna be fine. Firing Pam Bondi and moving her off to the private sector, does absolutely nothing. And we're happy to sit back and wait for a real Justice Department to come along and a real FBI to come along to tell us if that lady committed any crimes. That's the only thing I'm interested in when it comes to Pam Bondi is the future in which a real Justice Department finds out if she did anything illegal. That's all I want to know. I don't care who Lee Zeldin is. I already know. Former state senator from New York. Not interested. Do not let the media distract you into a conversation about Lee Zeldin or Pamela Joe Bondi, because the real story is the other lady, the other lady that was lurking around in Fulton county looking at them ballots and lurking around in Arizona looking at them ballots. I want to know what that lady's doing, and I want to know what that lady knows. I want to know what she knows about this war in Iran, about who started, about why, about who talked Trump into it. I want to know what she knows about what Joe Kent said to. To. To Tucker. I want to know what she knows about whether or not, in fact, her underling was prevented from fully investigating the murder of Charlie Kirk. I do not care about Charlie Kirk. I thought he was a racist. But if he was murdered and there was something more to it and there was some sort of foreign involvement, just as a journalist, I want to know. Because if there was some sort of foreign involvement, it was something more to it. And again, I don't know that there was. But if he's saying he couldn't even investigate it, that's a problem, because it means there's corruption in our government that might be covering up for foreign involvement in crimes against Americans. I want to know, even if it is about Charlie Kirk, I want to know if, in fact Joe Kent was legitimately prevented from investigating the person that took a shot at Donald Trump. Not because I like Donald Trump or because I support Donald Trump, but because he was a presidential candidate. And if something happened and our federal government was prevented from fully investigating potential foreign involvement in that, that even if it isn't foreign involvement, even if he just could investigate, if he said, don't investigate it at all, if a member of our government who I don't support is being prevented from investigating an attempt on a presidential candidate, that affects all of us, whether you like Donald Trump or not. You don't have to like Donald Trump to not want foreigners involved in our elections. It's why I cared about foreign involvement, potentially by Russia. And I cared about Muellergate. I didn't care about Mullergate because I was a super fan of Hillary Clinton. She seems like a perfectly nice lady, would have made a great vice president, much better than Trump. But if a foreign government was helping us decide who our president was, even if it was Donald Trump that was involved in it, I want to know because I don't want any foreign government interfering in our country's elections the way our ass has interfered in elections all over the world, including in Iran. We don't want other countries doing it to us. Even if we didn't do it, even if we did do it to them. You shouldn't want foreigners getting involved in the election, no matter who winds up being the president. And if Joe Kent is not lying, if he's legitimately saying that he was prevented from undertaking legitimate investigations into foreign involvement in the murders of Americans or the attempted murder of an American presidential candidate, I'd like to know more about that and who he reported up to. Is the lady on your screen. So I want to know more about what she knows. I want to know more about what she's doing. What are her assignments? What is Tulsi Gabbard doing with our taxpayer paid salary in our name? What is she investigating? What are they really doing about Venezuela? Why did they knock off the leadership of Venezuela? We can't do their use their oil. It's that heavy, sweet crude that we can't even refine in our country. It doesn't feel like just to take their oil. There's something more to it. I want to know what that is. What are they interrogating Maduro about? What are they asking him? I want to know. I want to know all the things, not just Because I'm nosy and a journalist, but because I think we have a right to know as the American people, as American citizens, we pay for our government. It's supposedly a democracy, and we have a right to know. I don't care about Pam Bondi's future. I don't care that she's going back to Florida with a cushy new job at her old firm. But I do care about what they're trying to cover up by letting her go. We're gonna keep staying on this. We're gonna stay on this story. We're gonna be back. The Joy Reach show will be back tomorrow night, 6pm we're letting Lev gather more data. We're gonna have him come back tomorrow night. We've also asked for Katie Fang on Tomorrow Night to talk more about this. We're also going to talk about what this means for the Epstein victims because Pam Bondi being out seems like an attempt to stall justice for them. And the information that they're getting out. I'm going to keep a weather eye on what members of Congress are saying today about that. We may have to call on Representative Pramila Jayapal, who we've been we're out to as well, because she's been digging in those Epstein files. If Tulsi leaving and this Lee Zeldin coming in delays us getting new information about the Epstein files, I hope that Ro Khanna and company are going to do something about that. And the guy from Kentucky, Massie, I hope that there's going to be a very strong reaction because we should not have even one day's delay in getting the information out about this global pedo ring that clearly was happening in our country right up until and after Donald Trump came into office. This the first time. We want more information about that, not less. And so we don't care if it's Pam Bondi. And again, last thing I will add is that the people that were under Pam Bondi, she was the figurehead of it. But Todd Blanche and Emil Beauvais are still there. The change at the Justice Department is exactly like the change in Venezuela and in Iran. You lop off the head, but you leave the body in place. There is no difference today between the Justice Department now and yesterday. Pam Bondi, the figurehead, is gone, but the underlings are still there. Todd Blanche and Emil Boveau are still there. And they're still going to be attempting to use that agency for retribution on Donald Trump's behalf. Just like Venezuela is still the same Maduro dictatorship Just without Maduro. And Iran is exactly the same regime, but instead of the ayatollah, it's his son in charge. No change whatsoever. These are not real regime change. This is theater. This is WWE designed to get you to be distracted so that you don't pay attention to the gangsterism, theft and thievery that's going on. People are stealing from you, America. You are being robbed blind. This country is being treated like Mobutu, Zaire, Congo. And Donald Trump and his family and friends are looting the country. They are looting it. They're stripping it for parts while they're entertaining you with who he's hiring and firing on a given day. This is a theft. All of it feels like a theft. And if it looks like an autocratic kleptocratic con job, then that's what it is. Do not ever think of this as some sort of normal administration. It is a gangster operation and gangsters sometimes switch each other out for other gangsters. Thank you all for tuning in to this live edition of the Joy Reid show. We will see you guys at 6pm Eastern tomorrow, same bat time, same bat channels. And I want to shout out specifically our Twitch fam that has joined on our Twitchies are on the stream. Thank you all for being here on the stream. You guys are a small but mighty little twitch army. We appreciate you. Let me go ahead and get a couple of comments from our Twitchies. And it says Tulsi Gabbard says Frog and Molly says Tulsi Gabbard also is in an actual cult. That's true. True. She's in a very, very, very strange religion. It's very, very strange. But we appreciate everybody for being here. Thank you, Frog and Molly and all the people that are in the Twitch chat. Thanks to everybody that are in the Facebook chat. We see you. They said heavy twitch. We see everybody that's in the substack chat as well as the people, including I see the Lemonheads here that are in the YouTube chat and everyone else. Thank you all and we'll see you tomorrow night right here. Yes, welcome Facebook family as well. Thank you all for tuning in. We'll see you guys. And I'm going to get back to doing some phone calls and getting some more inside scoop because we got to have our journalism intact, on point and make sure you guys have the latest information. So let me just get back on the phones and do a little bit more research so that we know what we're talking about tomorrow night right here on Joy Reach show. Thanks for tuning in. See you tomorrow night.

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