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Joy Reid
Edu. Hey, everybody, it is Joy Reid. Welcome to the Joy Reed Show. Happy Friday TJIF to everybody. We made it through another week. We are, as you can see, we are live in New York. I have one laptop tonight, so I can't see the chat, so I'm just gonna project that. I can feel all of the energy in the chat. Thank you all for joining. Whether you're on YouTube, whether you're in the stack, wherever you get your podcast, thank you all for tuning in. We appreciate you guys. We are available all across that podcast universe. And I also want to big up our team. TJRS members gotta love it. A reminder, the shop is now open. I'm wearing one of my favorite favorites from the shop. It says here, orderly is insufficient in the face of fascism. We've got this in white and black. I just have to let y' all know the shop is open. We got baseball caps. We got. One of my favorites is this little backpack that is so cute. It says, don't blame me, I voted for the prosecutor. Super cute. We got sneakers, got all the good stuff. You guys have asked for merch. We've gotten you merch. If you buy some merch from the shop, please post it on your socials. You can go to shop.joyannreid.com. that's where you can find the merch. And if you post it on your social media, please hashtag us, hashtag airingjoy. You can always hashtag Team tjrs. You can always hashtag readers. Just let us know you're here so we can find you. But if you put wearing Joy, we will find you and make sure that we know that you're there. So I wanna start tonight with a poem. Sometimes we gotta get a little poem. I'll give you a poem. This is a poem by an 18th century poet named Percy Bysshe Shelley. Now, fun fact, his wife, Mary Shelley, is the woman who wrote Frankenstein. Okay, sidebar, he kind of drowned in a boating accident in Sardinia at 29 years old in 1822. So it's kind of a tragic story. But before that, Percy Shelley wrote a bunch of poems and the most famous of those poems is quoted in the final scene of Breaking Bad. If any of you guys watch Breaking Bad, you will. This will sound familiar to you. In the second half of that poem, which is called Ozymandias says the following. It says, the hand that mocked them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear. My name is Ozymandias, king of kings. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair nothing beside remains. Round the decay of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare. The lone and level sands stretch far away. So Donald Trump is a modern day Ozymanzias, Our would be king of kings and a man who leaves nothing, nothing around behind him, beside him, nothing beside despair and wreckage, just despair. So I want to tell you guys a story that I actually included in my Trump book, the man who Sold America, which you can also buy in the shop if you want, but which is actually pretty well known to New Yorkers and to preservation people who are in the sort of preservation and art world. So back In October of 1979, New York City's planning commission approved a special permit for Donald J. Trump to build a 56 story mixed use tower on the site of the Bonwit Teller department store on fifth Avenue. It's a beautiful, it was a beautiful store. Hashtag, a little sidebar, I should say. My godmother, Auntie Bernice actually used to work in that store. She was one of the few black women who was allowed to work in front of front of house rather than like behind house where blacks normally were forced to like work in the back, like in the stock room. But she actually worked in the front serving customers. She was Jamaican, so they were like, well she's like semi black, so we'll just put her in the front, right? So she actually worked there, Loved working there. And like a lot of famous black people were there. Think of like Bergdorf Goodman or like a really higher, higher level Bloomingdale, something like that. So Trump bought the building that Bond Witt Teller was in and he later wrote in his book, well, he didn't write Art of the Deal, but you know, he wrote in the book Art of the Deal, which he didn't actually write that. In December of 79, a representative of the Metropolitan Museum of Art asked him if he would donate these two 15 foot tall art deco bas relief sculptures. They were these semi nude goddesses that were like the feature of the Bonwit Teller building and also a big 15 by 25 foot nickel plated grill from the facade of the building. These were the things on the outside that made the building, like, iconic. And he said the freezers could, if they could be saved, he'd be happy to donate them to the museum. He wrote in the art of the deal. But he later confirmed that in, in writing. He didn't do that. So in June of 1980, even though he was asked house just went missing. It just vanished. No one ever found it again. Preservation news reporter at the time, it just vanished. Which brings me to our once beautiful White House. We're going to show you a 1. This is how the demolition. That is what Donald Trump has done to. He's, he's bond with tailored the White House. The east wing of the White House is gone. He took it all away. Now, I want you guys to watch this short while we wait for our. Our guest is here, but we're gonna, we're gonna bring it on in a moment. But I want you to listen to Donald Trump over the course of this year, lying about this ballroom. This is a two. Oh, here it comes.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
When the people outside that can't even get in this room is packed. And, you know, I offered to build a ballroom. I'm very good at building ballrooms. I build beautiful ballrooms. And I actually offered to build a ballroom for the White House. I was going to build it right there. This was going to be the reception room. And then I was going to build a beautiful, beautiful ballroom. Like I have it, Mar A Lago, as beautiful as it can be. It was going to cost about $100 million. I offered to do it, and I never heard back. I offered this. I offered to do it to the Biden administration, very active administration. And they didn't, they didn't hear back. And I said again and again, three, four times, I said to top people. And they just didn't know what to do. They sort of said, this is good, but they had no idea. So I'm going to try and make the offer to myself, you know, because we could use a bigger room, right, Marshall? We could use a bigger room. President, would you like to build? Yeah, I would. We could use at the White House. It's, it would actually be a beautiful addition. It's going to cost nothing. I'll spend the whole thing myself. I will do a big, beautiful room, but we could use it at the White House. You know what they do when they have a big ceremony to put up a tent and somehow I think we've outgrown the tent stuff. Right? Don't you think? So how many donors do you think it's going to take to get to 200 million? Maybe one. Me. But you would cut that check yourself? I would, yeah. How are you holding up for the last three and a half days? I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks? They just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years. And it's going to be a beauty. It'll be an absolutely magnificent structure. And I just see all the trucks we just started. So it'll get done very nicely and it'll be one of the best anywhere in the world, actually. It won't interfere with the current building. It won't be. It'll be near it but not touching it and pays total respect to the existing building, which I'm the biggest fan of. It's my favorite. It's my favorite place. I love it. But many people were surprised the entire east wing is being demolished because you had said initially that the ballroom would just touch or would not leave. Well, certain areas. Certain areas are being left. We determined that after really a tremendous amount of study with some of the best architects in the world, we determined that. Really knocking it down, trying to use a little section, you know, the east wing was not much. There was not much left from the original. It was over the course of 100 years, it was changed, the columns were removed, and it was a much different building. Then a story was added on in 1948, 1949, there was a story added on which was not particularly nice. And the building was very, very much changed from what it was originally. It was never thought of as being much. It was a very.
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Joy Reid
That's a lie. There you go. So he's. So he's lying about the building and making it sound like it wasn't much. The building was built in 1908. This building has been there for more than 100 years. He's destroyed it. Okay, now I want just to let you listen to one more thing. This is Weijie Jiang, who is a CBS reporter, who asks Carolyn Levitt, Caroline Levitt, who's Donald Trump's spokeswoman, who you've seen ask, is Donald Trump free? Because there was no warning to the American people, no public announcement that they were going to destroy this giant chunk, a third of the White House. They were going to just knock it down. And she asked, can he do that to any building he wants? This is a three. Can he just destroy anything he wants. Does Donald Trump have the full power? The White House has explained that the.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Reason you didn't submit construction plans to.
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Joy Reid
The NCPC is because that commission, along with others, don't have oversight over demolitions, but only over construction. And so far, you haven't built anything.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
So can you help us understand, can.
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Joy Reid
The president tear down anything he wants without oversight? Can he demolish this building or say the Jefferson Memorial? Ms.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
So it's not the president who came up with that legal opinion himself. That's a legal opinion that's been held by the NCPC for many years. It's written so we can get to that background and that research if you if you wish to include it in your reporting, because it is very important. They have ruled consistently. Their general counsel has said when it comes to phase one of this project, the tearing down of the current East Wing structure, a submission is not required legally for that. Only for vertical construction will a submission be required. And that's a legal opinion from them. And we are following that legal opinion. And again, I would just add, can.
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Joy Reid
Any president do such a thing to.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
The White House grounds? There have been many presidents in the past who have made their mark on this beautiful White House complex. This briefing room, as you all know.
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Joy Reid
Was not once a briefing. Okay, sorry about that. Sorry, I was on mute. So that was Carol. That was CBS News. Now let's play a little bit more and this I'm going to show you something else. CBS News is reporting cbs, which is still mainly doing news, but here is like not the Weijiajiang version. This is actually CBS doing something that's a little bit less, I don't know, less authentic. They go in and they accept the idea that the administration, the regime has said that the building is going to be modernized. They're allowing it to they're allowing the administration to push forward this idea that it's being modernized. They say the movie theater, which is gone now, it's under the rubble, like Gaza, they're saying that's also going to be modernized, according to the officials. Modernized, interesting. That's not the way it normally works. And modernized is a very euphemistic term for what's being done. Let's play a five just for a moment, because what's really happening, you can read in this other part of the same CBS News article that in addition to, quote, unquote, modernizing the East Wing by knocking it down, the bunker under the East Wing, the bunker there's a bunker under the East Wing with will also be upgraded Sources told CBS News the White House military office is handling the renovation of the bunker, which is known as the President's Emergency Operations Center. I find that weird. I don't know if you find that weird, but if you think historically, just for a moment, and this is the next. I think this is what, a six. Just if we're just being historical, and I hope this doesn't seem like I'm being too historic, but in Germany in the 1930s, Adolf Hitler, who was the Chancellor of Germany, also did a modernization, quote, unquote modernization of the facilities that were under the Reichschancery, which was the building where the government offices of that regime were located. And it says here that while Hitler seldom used it, this new Reich Chancellery which he built also included a court of honor for official occasions, a marble gallery, and various banquet halls and ballrooms. In 1943, construction began on Hitler's bunker underneath the Reich Chancellery. It was there that he would commit suicide in May of 1945. I hope that doesn't sound too hysterical, but I'm just saying they're also fixing the bunker. And I think we should just note that that is a fact, that that is a thing that is happening. Let's go ahead and bring in our guest. Vicki Ward is the co author with James Patterson of the Idaho 4 An American Tragedy, which tells the tragic story of the mass shooting at an Idaho college a few years ago. In the story of the investigation, we're gonna put her book on the screen in a little bit so you can see it. But I wanna, before I get to that, and thank you, Vicki, for being here, I wanna go through and just show you some of what Donald Trump. There's the book and the little, you can see a little QR code there. Folks, if you want to buy Vicky Ward's book, you want to be supportive of our wonderful guest, you can just hit that little QR code, You can just put your little phone up to it and you can then buy her book right away. We're also going to put her book in the store, which is@shop.joannreid.com, so you can buy the book and be supportive of Vicki. We love to support our book authors. Vicki, I just want to get your reaction to what's been done as a journalist, just as a person who lives in this country. Your reaction to what's been done to the Eastern, the East Wing?
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Well, I mean, it's, it's gut wrenching, literally, right? You watch those videos and I know I Don't sound it, Joy, but I'm American, and I'm a very proud American. You know, I, I, I, you know, I thought hard about becoming American, becoming a citizen. And, and so, you know, I think deeply about these things, and, you know, it's visceral. How else to describe it?
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Joy Reid
Right.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
When you see the wrecking ball go in to a building that is meant to be the people's house, it's really extraordinary. You know, I know President Trump. I knew him when he was a real estate developer in New York because I wrote a book about real estate in New York. And, you know, yet again, you know, I mean, this is the theme of both his presidencies, that for him, there's no difference between his office in Trump Tower, his real estate family office, and 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. You know, I mean, and we see it with all the kleptocracy in our foreign dealings, in his family's foreign dealings. You know, this is Donald Trump looking at the historic building that it isn't his and saying, oh, I know how to fix this. In the same way that he did it to Trump Tower, that he's done it to many other buildings in New York. Well, there's a big difference between doing it in New York and doing it in a house that doesn't belong to him.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. And I mean, it's the same way. And I, you know, I told that story about me and my godmother working in the Bond with Teller Building, and I can remember driving her by Trump Tower a few years ago because she hadn't put. It just hadn't connected in her mind that Trump Tower was where she used to work. And she worked in the building when it had the beautiful friezes and the gorgeous artwork. The Metropolitan Museum of Art begged him for that art. They said, just let us have the freezes. Just let us have it. And he said, nope. And he just smashed them to pieces, just ripped them down. No thought to the historical value of the building, didn't care. She didn't even. It really struck her emotionally because she, like you as a naturalized citizen, who, I think you come to it a different way. You've chosen the country deliberately, and then the country you chose is something odd. I want to show you just a few pictures. This is the New York Times. They went through and they talked about the dramatic changes that he's made to the White House. So if we could just go through a couple of these. Jason, this is a seven. Is the picture that Donald Trump has put out of what this Ballroom would look like. It looks a lot like what he was marveling at when he went to Qatar. Cause he was so marveling their beautiful golden orbs and all the stuff that he saw and he was just gaga over it. This is what he's going to put in place of our East Room. Let's now look at the Rose Garden. Donald Trump has taken the beautiful Rose Garden. If anyone's ever. I'm so sad that not every American's gotten to go and see the White House. It was a beautiful building and Jackie Onassis had put Kennedy, had put this incredible, Jackie Kennedy put this incredible, beautiful Rose Garden in. He's paved it over. It looks like a low rent Marriott. It's hideous. He's put this like paved nest, horrible thing that looks like Mar a Lago. To your point, let's go through the previous Oval Offices. The previous Oval Offices were, I thought, quite tasteful. Going back to, I wasn't a fan, but George W. Bush I thought has very tasteful. You know, his Oval Office, Barack Obama's, Joe Biden's, you can see all these previous, even Trump's previous Oval wasn't that bad. And now let's look at the Oval Office. Now it is a 10. It is a horror. I'm sorry, that is the tackiest monstrosity I think I've ever seen. Your thoughts?
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Well, you know, I hate to tell you this, but it reminds me of Donald Trump's office as it was back in New York where he had plastered the walls with magazine covers of himself. And so now he's plastered the walls with all his forebears and, you know, and there he is, strategically positioned in the center. I just go back to something that you said, Joy, earlier in the segment about questioning, you know, the legality of all of this. Real estate developers, particularly New York real estate developers, who are famously the most ruthless of them all because there's so little space and such competition within it. You know, there's a mantra in this world which is do whatever you need to do first and face the consequences after. You know, sue somebody else and wait to be sued with a view that, you know, it takes so long to get through the courts that by the time that the, you know, that the courts get to dealing with whatever it is that you've done, it'll be moot and everyone will have forgotten about it. And that is just a way of existing. And, and so, you know, he won't be remotely worried or care about the legal ramifications of what he's doing, because he'll be out of office.
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Joy Reid
By the.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Time this catches up to him. And his view of it will be that he did the country a great favor by improving the ballroom, which, as you say, there is a strong Qatari influence. But we know he's always been predisposed to decorating this way. I mean, he loves gold and guilt, and the signs are that he loves it even more.
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Joy Reid
It's like he thinks he's doing sort of Louis xvi. I definitely think that he sees himself like he wants to be a monarch. Right. Okay, let me play this. This is A11. This is Donald Trump himself describing the purpose of this ballroom. And now, as you said, it's America's house, you know, and the administration is trying to pretend it's to improve America's property, but Donald Trump actually is. I don't know if he's not bright enough or maybe the senility is getting him where he can't really hide the truth. Here he is. This is a 11 days, and he just says why he.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Nobody's actually seen anything quite like it. I think it'll be one of the great ballrooms anywhere in the world. It's about $300 million. It's set to do many, many things, including meetings of foreign leaders, including the honoring of foreign leaders. You can see this, this is a plan. If it's got tables so that you honor a foreign leader, we have a proper space right now. We have a space that with tables, holds about 79 people.
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Joy Reid
I'm embarrassed. I'm sorry. As an American, I'm embarrassed. But he's clearly hoping that he can bring the Saudi royals and the Qatari royals and the British royals. And that's what his purpose is. Right.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
This is, of course, you know, that he will have gone to one of these countries and sort of the first thought that will have gone through his head is, you know, our building isn't, Isn't. Isn't as gaudy as theirs. We've got to do something about this. You know, not thinking the corset, you know, know these people, many of that, these people are the rulers of autocracies and people whose, you know, whose money is ill gotten and, you know, live in palaces that they, that they probably shouldn't live in. So, I mean, the whole thing, you know, is classic Trump.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. And he loves the 80s, and I think he can't get out of the 80s. And I've noticed everything he does, the people he associates with, it all harkens back to his golden era in his mind, as the 80s. Let me pivot to one other topic I definitely wanted to talk to you about. This is Michael Wolf making, I think, a quite dramatic announcement. I would love to get your take on it. This is Michael Wolfe, a12.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Okay, I have an announcement for those of you who don't know me.
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Joy Reid
I'm Michael Wolf.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I've written four books about Donald Trump. And also before his death, I extensively interviewed Jeffrey Epstein, not least of all about his relationship with Donald Trump. I've spoken publicly about aspects of those interviews, including the things Epstein said about his relationship with both Donald Trump and Melania Trump. Several days ago, I was notified by.
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Joy Reid
Lawyers for the first lady that they.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Intend to sue me for $1 billion.
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Joy Reid
For some of those statements.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Now, they've threatened and sued other people for related statements about Melania Trump's relationship with Epstein. These are called slap suits. They may have no hope whatsoever of proving defamation, but these suits are filed anyway, or these suits are threatened to intimidate people from talking about this exact subject. I can't live like that. In fact, to be perfectly honest, I'd like nothing better than to get Donald Trump and Melania Trump under oath in front of a court reporter and actually find out all of the details of their relationship with. With Epstein turning the tables on the Trumps and refusing to acquiesce to them. Last night, my lawyers went into court in New York and asked for a declaratory judgment. In other words, we will have subpoena power to call witnesses and to find out exactly what the relationship between Epstein and the Trumps was. Now, this is going to be an expensive effort, and I'm going to reach out and for everyone's support. But I think that this is going to be also a very fruitful way to finally open this dark curtain and find out what Donald Trump, Melania Trump and Jeffrey Epstein were doing together.
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Joy Reid
Your thoughts, Vicki Ward? Wow. Well.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Melania Trump was introduced to Donald Trump, and this I do know, not by Jeffrey Epstein, but by a guy who's now in the Trump administration, Italian guy who ran a modeling agency whose biggest client was Victoria's Secret, then owned by Leslie Wexner, who was Jeffrey Epstein's main financial benefactor for many years. So there's no question that these circles are very concentric. Michael knew, unquestionably, was the journalist who knew Jeffrey Epstein better than anybody else, particularly in the last years of his life. My only question mark about all of this is that I know from personal experience that Jeffrey Epstein was a liar. And so whatever you know, you never knew if what he was telling you was true exaggeration or just complete crap. This week I just read Virginia Giuffre's posthumous memoir, really aptly titled Nobody's Girl. And I recommend everybody to read this book. It's an amazingly powerful, terrible story.
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Joy Reid
Of.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
A woman who actually overcomes all odds to beat these predators, but at a great cost. I mean, I think by the end of the book, I certainly got the sense that she felt that all the activism had cost her physically and in the end, mentally. And I think by the end of the book, she's sort of deliberately saying goodbye. She's putting the book out there to do the work that she can no longer do. But I think that what is interesting to me is she doesn't. Her references to Trump are pretty positive, actually. He is not. I mean, there are. There are people in this book who do indescribable things. There is a man she calls the Prime Minister, and I think many of us can guess there was only one priority Prime Minister who Jeffrey Epstein associated with, and he was a Prime Minister of Israel.
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Joy Reid
Y.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
And, and, and, you know, she describes this man as nearly choking her to death. And when she went to see Jeffrey Epstein afterwards, he said, yeah, well, you'll get that sometimes. And then absolutely extraordinarily, he pimped her out to him again without telling her who she was going to meet. And she got on a plane and had the most terrifying plane ride of her life. I mean, there are, you know, it goes on. There's Billionaire one, there's Billionaire two. Again, many of us who are familiar with the Maxwell and Epstein discovery know who these people are. And there are all these old shriveled academics, as you know, as well as obviously Prince Andrew, who she does name. But, but, but Donald Trump is really absent from these pages other than she talks about the fact that her father worked at Mar a Lago, as did she, and that this was obviously the place where Ghislaine Maxwell came to the spa and invited her back to Jeffrey Epstein's house. It's where it all began.
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Joy Reid
Yeah.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Other than that, he doesn't appear in the pages. So. Listen, I applaud, Michael. You know, when someone punches you, you punch them back. And we don't do that enough. And funnily enough, no one believes that doctrine more than Donald Trump.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
So.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
So, you know, go for it, I think. Look, we all have so many questions about this that if anything, you know, daylight can be on all of this. We all want answers.
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Joy Reid
I 100% agree. Vicki Ward. We Always appreciate you. The book again is the Idaho four An American Tragedy. We're going to put that link in the show description. We'll also put it in the bookstore. It's in the bookstore right now. Shop joannemie.com thank you so much, Vicki. Always a pleasure.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Thank you, Joy.
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Joy Reid
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Gasoline prices are way down. Grocery prices are way down. Energy prices are way down. Mortgage rates are down. We have a real stiff at the Federal Reserve. I can't help that. But he's going to be leaving soon and inflation has been defeated. But even though his rates are too high, where we the economy has Been amazing.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Food price prices high.
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Joy Reid
Rent is high.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Home prices are ridiculously high.
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Joy Reid
Cars are high. Auto insurance, home insurance, health insurance is insane. Energy prices are high. I can tell you that in my own electric bills. They're much more expensive than they were.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Even a year ago.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, apparently one of them is lying. Joining me now is John Boyd Jr. Founder and president of the National Black Farmers Association. To talk about another aspect of what's going on for you, John Boyd, Jr. Great to see you again. How are the prices doing? How's inflation treating you and your industry?
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Well, I tell you, these are some very, very. First of all, thank you for having me. Got you. I appreciate it. These are very, very bad time for farmers in our country. The president's terrorists causing all time bankruptcy highs and bankruptcy, farm foreclosures, farm suicides. We haven't seen anything like this since the late 70s, early 80s in a very long time. So our commodity prices at an all time low and our expenses as lime fertilizer, diesel fuel, it's a shortage labor. All of this stems from the President's decision, isn't it? This isn't a man made, you know, a godly disaster like, you know, Florida tornado. The president caused this and now he's playing on beef prices. He says we wouldn't be doing well if it wasn't for his leadership. Something like that. He said, but farmers aren't doing well. We're going out in this country. And guess what? He went and gave his buddy 40, $20 billion the first time. And then they started selling soybeans to our, to our market.
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Joy Reid
So he used Argentina. You're Talking about the $40 billion bailout of Argentina.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Bailed out of Argentina. Getting 20. Getting $20 billion.
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Joy Reid
First, sorry, 20 billion.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
They stole it. They stole our market. Then he invites him over here and rolls out the carpet and gives them 20 billion more. Yeah, and now he wants to give him our beef cattle market in this country. I mean, and, and he's, and he's talking about how, how good we're doing. I mean, somebody, somebody to wake the President up and say, man, look, these, these farmers are doing bad. And Joy, close your ears for the first time I've been out here 43 years, the first time I ever seen white farmers on television saying how bad they're doing and, and how they're on the brink of losing their farms and land. When you lose your farm, you take out a circulation in this country. A generational skill set that can't be taught overnight. That's what we lose I'm a fourth generation farmer and I'm telling you firsthand, farmers are in bad shape in this country.
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Joy Reid
Hey, you talk about white farmers on tv, they're all over TV and all over the social media. Let me tell you one farmer who's actually on News Nation, which is a, you can call it Fox News Decaf, it's like decaf. Fox News, it's a conservative other cable network that pretends to be down the middle, but it's pretty conservative. Here's a farmer, this B2, talking about how they're doing and Donald Trump's solution, which is on the White House. I have to ask, where do you stand on the White House's idea of helping farmers with tariff money that is being collected?
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
That's the most ridiculous thing. Let me, let me explain to you, okay, your listeners, excuse me, those tariffs I'm paying on inputs just this spring and all of our parts, many of our parts come from other countries. All right, Just this spring, I go to my local John Deere dealer. I need a chain for my, for my corn planter. I take it out of the box. John Deere box dealt with these people for 40 years. John Deere part number. Turn it over. It says made from China. Okay. I'm thinking, wow, that's odd. I just paid a tariff on that dog. One thing. So here's the deal. I'm paying that tariff because my importer, John Deere paid it. They paid it directly to the Treasury. Now the President, United States is going to take my money and give it back to me and call it, and call it a bailout. That's, that's just comical. And I tell you what this administration has got, agriculture has got farmers exactly where they want them. And that is in need of what only Trump can deliver. And that's a bailout. What a terrible place for, for agriculture to be. Farmers are independent. They are independent businessmen and women. And they want to live off the land. They're creating income off the land for their communities. And President Trump has them right where he wants.
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Joy Reid
And so the bottom line, that that farmer is making an excellent point. The money that he's talking about using for the bailout is your money. So because the tariffs are paid by you, and then he's saying, oh, we'll just hand you back some of it as like a kickback in tariffs. But that doesn't give you back your markets. It doesn't mean that you're going to be able to sell your products overseas because the tariffs mean you can't sell Them. The whole thing seems like circular logic.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Well, you know what the president got? He. He got played. He got played by his. His own Franjo.
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Joy Reid
Gave.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Gave him five more. Gave him $40 billion. Look. And he got played. He got played. And guess what he calls himself? He calls himself. Oh, and I'm the best deal maker. I believe in putting America first. I love farmers. How many times you seen a president have a press conference and he continues to say that he loves farmers? And guess what? You know, my hats off to that guy. Everything he said was correct. But he probably voted for him.
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Joy Reid
Probably. Probably.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Well, you know, 99% of white farmers in this country voted for him. And, you know, when I came out for Harris, they thought I was crazy. I said, listen, you need to stick with that lady because she's probably going to take us in the right direction. This president took us down a road that is going to take a very, very long time for agriculture to come back in this country. The way that he's taken the grain and now he's taking the cattle market, and he wants to give that away. The problem of it is, Joy, he can't say I'm wrong. My tariffs are bad. And, you know, back when I was first started selling soybeans, on his first administration, he came in and did what? Imposed tariffs on China. The tariffs didn't work then, and the. And they're not working now. And when he first came in office, I was selling soybeans for $16.80 a bushel. I could pay a few bills, pay a little college tuition, and go on to the next season. And now I'm selling soybeans for a little over $9 a bushel. And guess what, Joy? In my neighborhood here in Virginia, all the grain elevators are full. That means the buying stations that farmers take our trucks to to sell. I can't harvest anymore. I don't have storage facilities. And it's all due to one person. The President of the United States caused this. So grain isn't moving in this country. And he gets, in my opinion, F minus. Yeah, we're going to be in. We're heading down to Birmingham, Alabama for 35th annual conference. There's going to be a thousand farmers there. Georgia, they want answers. Yeah, Many beef cattle and soybean producers.
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Joy Reid
Let me ask you this question, John Boyd Jr. Because you grow soybeans, and I know that's a very heavily subsidized product. So can you explain to those who are not familiar with the farming industry, so the government subsidizes you all to grow soybeans. They say if you grow these soybeans, you will get federal support for doing that. But that doesn't that mean that, that means you're not growing other things? Meaning that farmers who are primarily growing soybeans are not growing a wide variety of food that they could even use themselves if they just had to subsist on their own produce. Right.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Well, here's the thing. There's certain things that farmers can grow in each state. Soybeans is my number one cash income commodity. And as you heard, I should be selling them for between the 16, 20 bucks a bushel.
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Joy Reid
Right.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Is all down something that the farmers don't have any control of. And guess what? This president, I'm going to keep saying it to somebody say this. What does Samuel Abenjoy this president is the cause of what the commodity prices are. So guess what? He messes it up and he says, well, I just get Congress to bail them out. By the time these farmers get this $10 billion, which sounds like a whole lot of money. Doesn't, doesn't. My check was probably 1300 bucks. It's not a lot of money. By the time he finishes with us, we should have been getting that $40 billion he just gave away to his buddy.
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Joy Reid
Right? Exactly. Let me ask you this question. Do you suspect that some of what's happening is that Donald Trump wants some of you all to go out of business so that his billionaire friends can buy up your land? Because we know people like Jeff Bezos and these billionaires, they are on a land buying spree.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
You know what, there's a couple of people, Bill Gates at the top of the chain has been buying farmland and I've been tooting on on him and China. Believe it or not, everyone that's not doing any business with us has shown up at auction blocks. And Joe, what they do is they don't say I'm China on Bill Gates. They form a dummy corporation, that dummy corporation and you be the president, somebody else. And then when you check the deed of trust, it's owned by Microsoft or Bill Gates or the China Communist Party. And I've been outbidded in my hometown by China. We need some curtails out there to stop that stuff. Andrew, I'm going to say to my African American friends, man, if you can afford a new Cadillac and a Mercedes Benz, buy 5 acres in the country because there's going to be a lot of land that comes up for five, foreclosure. And I've been encouraging African Americans, we lost 20. We own 20 million acres of land. At the turn of the century, we're down to three. We could be buying some of this land. We're not going to get it back from this president or this government. But I've been encouraging blacks to, to, to buy some of this land too. And that, you know, sometimes, Joey, you take a hardship and, and a downturn and you can turn it into a positive for your people. Yeah, we'll lose this land. I'm sorry about that. But you need to talk to your president that you voted for about it. And the other thing is, we have to be in a position to somehow take and be a part of that.
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Joy Reid
You know, John Boyd Jr. I appreciate you last thing before I let you go. Because there is a history in this country of a president reacting to an economic downturn that was not of his own making. And that's fdr. And one of the things he did was to create the food stamp program, which initially had a green stamp and a blue stamp. And the blue stamp could be spent inside of the store. You could buy canned goods or bread or whatever you wanted, but you had to spend the green stamp on American farm products. It was a, it was a huge support system for the agricultural industry, mostly white farmers. But this was a way that a president actually tried to help the farming community back during the Depression. What do you make of the fact that this president, as you said, he claims to love farmers, but he doesn't create programs that allow us as consumers to spend money with y'? All? Because that would actually make more sense if you created an incentive for the consumer to spend with you all that would be different instead of just giving you back your own tariff money that you spent in, in a bailout.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Well, you know, that's. And you hit the nail with, you hit the, you hit the golf with the nail there. And that's what needs to happen. We need more programs that are full pharma friendly that we can sell directly to the American people. That's what has to happen in this country. And for example, before I go, he's giving away the cattle industry to a foreign country. What kind of quality of beef is that? Has anybody asked a question? I raised good beef. I raised 150 head of beef cattle. I'm proud of my product. That leaves my farm. What are we trading for? We need to hold this president accountable. And Joe, we want farmers to show up in Birmingham, Alabama, this coming up, October 31st through November 1st. It's free to attend. People should come out and join us.
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Joy Reid
John Boyd Jr. We always appreciate you coming on the show. Please come back often because we want to make sure that we keep up with what's happening with our farmers, specifically with our black farmers, because as you said, so little land left. And hopefully people will take your words to heart. Thank you, my friend. I appreciate you.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Thank you so much, you all for having me.
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Joy Reid
Thank you very much and see you all. This is the reason that you need to know history, because it is a very true fact that the, during the New Deal, part of what the food stamp program was, was a support for farmers because people were effectively doing business inside the United States purchasing with that little green food stamp. They were using that for farm products, which meant the farmers could eat too, because the farmers could sell directly to the people. It's changed. We've now created a situation where the federal government subsidizes farmers to grow only one thing, grow soybeans or grow corn, which is heavily, heavily subsidized. And then they basically take that corn and turn it into high fructose corn syrup and put it in your bread and put it in your potato chips. But they're not growing other things. Let's go on. And I want to show you guys something. This is a notice that went to every person in the state of Colorado. This is just one of our states that went out to the recipients in those states which was letting them know that due to what is happening with the federal government, people should not expect to receive their subsidy. So it says here the federal government shutdown means the US Department of Agriculture, which is who administers snap. The food stamp program, will not send states the money for November SNAP benefits. We cannot put the money on your EBT card until this changes. This is a change signaling all SNAP households and cannot be appealed. And it says if you need more food resources during the government shutdown, we encourage you to reach out to your local food banks or community agencies in your area. Essentially saying if you are hungry, you're going to need to go to a food shelter because we don't have the ability to help you. I wanna now take you to Fairfax, Virginia. This is the line for a food bank in Fairfax, Virginia. And I got this from a source who said that the line stretched for miles. This is in Fairfax, Virginia. And the person who sent this and who was sitting in that line and who took that picture is actually a federal worker. So federal workers who are numerous in the state of Virginia are lining up for free groceries and they said they wanted to go ahead and wait in the line because they figured it was worth waiting in the line to get some free groceries at a time when they were not able essentially, to take care of themselves. And this is a frightening moment. I mean, I want you guys to just look at that line. That is what's happening in the United States of America in the year of our Lord 2025. We are actually forcing federal workers to stand in food lines. I believe our guest is here, Representative Jennifer McClellan. Oh, she's on here. We're gonna wait for our guests to come on. What's frightening about that for me personally, is that we're actually creating a situation where our federal workers, some of whom are actually going to work every day, are coming home to an empty refrigerator. And farmers like John Boyd Jr are producing food that is not going to the American people or producing cattle that are not being used for American food because their market has been given away to Argentina. And the reason that farmers are so angry about that bailout of Argentina is that not only are they giving Argentina a cash bailout, Donald Trump has effectively fixed the market so that instead of buying American beef and American soybeans, et cetera, these countries are buying from China because of the tariffs. It's literally because of Donald Trump's tariffs that China and Venice, countries like China and Argentina are exing American farmers out of the market, and they're now purchasing from other countries. And so the reality is Donald Trump is bankrupting American farmers and ranchers and then preparing to bail them out with their own money because they're the ones. Remember, it's the taxpayer, it's the American that actually pays the tariffs, not the foreign country. Donald Trump keeps making tariffs sound like they're a tax a foreign country pays, but all they are is an import duty. So that when you import, let's say, cattle from Argentina, there's a tariff on it. Or if you import games from Japan, the video games come from Japan. When they get to the United States port, a duty, a tax, is placed on that import, and then the person who's importing it, meaning the American importing company, has to pay that tax in order to get their goods. So the goods are sitting on the dock, and until the importer pays that tariff, pays that tax, they can't have the product. And so now once they've paid that extra duty on that imported good, and then they put it up for sale, they go and sell it, they're not going to eat the cost of that tariff. They're just going to pass that on to the customer. We've even experienced this with the Joy Reid shop, where. I can't hear. I cannot, I can't. I can't hear you. Oh, okay. Yeah, sorry. Hello? Oh, am I muted? I'm good. How are you? Okay. Somebody. Okay. How are you? Representative, how are you? Wonderful, thank you. Let's talk about this situation where I showed a Colorado notice that folks in Colorado have been getting in their emails as of this week saying there's no way that the, your, your SNAP benefits card, your EBT card will not be filled up in the state of Colorado because the SNAP benefits have run out. And there is because the government shutdown that those notices are going out all over the country, not just in Colorado. I'm sure they're going out in Virginia as well. Talk about what kind of crisis. We also showed in the state of Virginia a long food line, a line that people were lining up and there were federal workers in that line going to get free groceries from a food bank. Yes. And impending hunger crisis of the Trump administration's own making because their own contingency plan for a federal government shutdown that the USDA had posted on their website and then it's mysteriously disappeared, said that they would use the contingency funds, which has about $6 million in it. And in prior shutdowns, there was funding put in place to continue SNAP benefits. There has been a bill sitting in a committee languishing since March, filed by Congresswoman Amelia Sykes of Ohio that I co sponsor, that would have added three months worth of funding in the SNAP contingency fund in the case of a shutdown. Mike Johnson hasn't called the House in for a hearing or for a vote on anything for over a month. But again, that bill has been there since at least March. And so if the Trump administration can find $20 billion to bail out Argentina because his new fellow ultra conservative president friend asked him to, he could find money to extend SNAP benefits. But again, this whole shutdown started because Republicans would rather shut down the government than address the healthcare crisis of their own making. And on top of that, the draconian cuts to the SNAP program they put in place. So I think, you know, as my fellow Democrats on the Agriculture Committee will tell you, over the past years, the Republicans have been trying to undermine the and n SNAP by hooker, by crook. And this is the latest attempt to do that. Let's talk about some of the things that were in the CR because, you know, one of the arguments the other side is making is, well, Democrats could just join Republicans on the Senate side and just pass this clean cr. But that clean CR seemed like a dirty CR to me because from what I understand they not only cut, they not only allow the health care subsidies under Obamacare to expire, but they cut things like Meals on Wheels, Head Start. So let's go back. The last clean CR we passed, is that accurate? Since then, Republicans passed a CR in March that included cuts to programs for seniors, for veterans, for children. And they said, you know, come on board this. And Democrats were not going to throw our seniors, our veterans, our children under the bus. Then on top of that are the cuts from the big ugly law. The draconian Medicaid cuts that'll strip millions of Americans of their health insurance, the failure to extend the ACA tax credit so it'll strip millions more, kicking 42 million people off of snap, a third of them children. Just the top ugly things in that big ugly law. Then there's the rescission. So all of the cuts to foreign aid that helps with our national security interests, the cuts to public broadcasting. And then right before this clean cr, this so called clean CR was filed, the President put in a pocket rescission request that made additional cuts. So what they are asking Democrats to do is, is come on board for all of these cuts that you already voted against because they hurt the American people. They hurt seniors, they hurt farmers, they hurt children, they hurt the disabled, they hurt veterans. That is what they are calling a clean CR. And in the process, come November 1st, millions of Americans are going to go to open enrollment for their health insurance and they are going to see their health insurance priced out of reach. Our hospitals and particularly in rural areas are going to be at risk. And do you know, I watched your segment before this about farmers who are being hurt by the tariffs. Do you know where a lot of farmers get their health care from? The Affordable Care act, from the marketplace. So they are also now that they are not selling their soybeans, now that they are seeing record low prices for everything other than beef, they are now going to see their health insurance rates skyrocket as their hospitals are at risk of closing in those rural areas. And just for those who are listening and we use, I try not to do it, but I did it myself. We use these terms, these catch all terms. CR means a continuing resolution. That just basically means a bill that's on the floor that, that everyone is supposed to sort of pass it on unanimously. Right. And then what is rescission? Explain CR and rescission. Let me say one other thing about the continuing resolution funding bill. It only extended current funding to November 21st. With the idea, well, we'll have time to negotiate these 12 appropriation bills that Congress still needs to pass for full funding through September 30, 2026. Nobody's meeting. House Republicans haven't been in Washington since September 19th. So when are they supposed to negotiate these bills? Now what a rescission bill is once Congress appropriates money and says this is how much we want spent. Where then a rescission bill says, nope, we changed our mind and we want you to cut that funding right now. Not going forward. Usually there'll be a bill that says in the next fiscal year, let's cut this money. A rescission says, yeah, you already agree to it, but we're not going to spend it. I think we might have lost Representative McClellan. I think President tried to do yeah, I think the Internet might have eaten us. But she was trying to explain and we apologize for I don't know what happened, but I think she popped away. But sometimes we are out here. Sometimes the Internet just says no less than 45 days. So she popped off. But Jennifer McClellan, we want to thank you so much for coming on. We appreciate you. Which is basically called explaining that essentially why I asked my Republicans what Congress has been doing because from the government a little bit at a time, instead of funding it for a full year, you're supposed to make a budget like when you do at your house. We don't want to spend because we don't like they're doing. So they said we're just not short bites of budget in which they're going to fire for three months there. And we don't allow them to continue that in these short fights instead of doing a full bill Representative on the back end because we are heading into hour two of the show. But we thank what the Trump administration and that Argentina bailout. Let me play for you real quick. Marjorie Taylor Reed, and this is C3. She had some thoughts on the Argentina bailout as well because for whatever reason she kind of off script. So Jason, let me know when you got C3 because this is take for example this $40 billion bailout for Argentina. That's probably one of the grossest things I've ever seen and I have no idea who is telling our great president, our America first president that this is a good idea because it's honestly it's a punch in the gut to all of our American cattle ranchers and they are furious and rightfully so. And at the same time I can't think of another country that's further away.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
From the United States of America than Argentina.
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Joy Reid
It's literally at the bottom of South.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
America in the Southern Hemisphere, and we're.
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Joy Reid
All the way up here at the top. I don't know how that's America first, but the problem, Tucker, is, is Washington, D.C. is unchangeable, absolutely unchangeable. And they have hijacked our movement and.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
They'Re taking it away from the campaign.
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Joy Reid
Promises of America first and turning in to everything that we hate. We hate globalism. We hate bailing out foreign countries. We hate foreign wars. We hate industries overseas.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
We want industries supported here at home.
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Joy Reid
And you got people talking about it. People are not silent anymore. When Marjorie Taylor Greene seems like the voice of reason, you know something is wrong. Let me just explain to you guys what all of this is about. This is how the Nation reports. And I don't have anything to put on screen, but I'm just going to read it to you. Earlier this spring, Donald Trump's tariffs on China prompted the country to halt purchases of US soybeans. That's what John Boyd Jr grows, soybeans. Then he offered a $20 billion bailout to Argentina, whose soybean crop sales to China have replaced those from US Farmers. So they've been selling to China. Instead of US Farmers selling to China, China's getting the stuff from Argentina. Now, that's Donald Trump's friend. And this week, Trump announced that the United States would buy beef from Argentina to bring down prices for U.S. consumers. If you turn over tinned beef, or what do you call it, corned beef, turn over your tin beef, your corned beef, a lot of it's made in Argentina. It's not made from US Beef. It's made from Argentinian beef. They're a big beef producer. So in order to bring down the price of Argentinian beef for US Consumers, Trump offered to buy a bunch of it from Argentina, opening a rift between him and another block of rural supporters, meaning cattle ranchers, whose top industry group on Wednesday disavowed the president, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so what you're now, what's happening is that you also had because Javier Milei, who is the Trumpy president of Argentina, he's Trump's buddy. And so a lot of Trump's friends invested in his new economy. And to make the economy whole, he got a bunch of them to invest in that economy. And then the economy started to falter. So this is what's happening. We're propping up Donald Trump's friend in Argentina, because a lot of billionaire US Investors invested in Argentina on the idea that it was going to become this, you know, right wing economy of their dreams. So anyway, that's what's kind of OR two of the Joy Reid Show. Let's get in in this hour to a couple of things that are happening around the country. Let's start with the protest against ICE. This is New York City. This is D1. This is People who went to march in New York City against all the ICE raids that have happened on Canal street and elsewhere in which they're harassing anybody who isn't white on the streets of New York. Let's see if we have D1. This is the protest against.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Ran it.
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Joy Reid
We love that on that Freedom News TV that we got that clip from. Now I want to play for you. That is what's happening on the one side where you have people marching in response to the attack on mainly brown, but also Black people, also U.S. citizens in the streets of the United States. I want you all to listen to what Pete Hagg says, who's sitting next to Donald Trump, as they do a press conference and they talk about what is starting to bubble up on the Internet, that Donald Trump is going to create something called a National Guard Response Force, responding to what you just saw, which is the protest against Trump's ICE raids, his secret police. Here is Pete Hegseth speaking next to Donald trump. This is D2. Sir.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
A memo circulating on social media details the establishment of a National Guard Response.
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Joy Reid
Force that's going to be trained in.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Crowd control and civil unrest and deployed.
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Joy Reid
In all 50 states by April of 2026.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Can you verify the authenticity of that.
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Joy Reid
Memo and do you have any more information on the operations?
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I'm not going to answer particulars on something that may be in the planning process, but we definitely do have multiple layers of National Guard Response forces, whether it's in each state, whether it's regionally, whether it's Title 10 active duty, whether it's Washington, D.C. we've got a lot of different ways that constitutionally and legally we can employ Title 10 and Title 32 forces and we will do so when necessary.
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Joy Reid
He just says a lot of title. He just uses a lot of like gobbledygooked numbers. He's basically saying, yes, we're creating a National Guard Response Force. He's basically confirming the story. Now this all happens as popular info has a story that should send shivers through your entire body and brain. Popular Information reports that ICE has boosted its own internal weapons spending by 700%. That is not a typo. Not 7%, not 70%. By 700%. A popular information investigation reveals that tens of millions of new. That reveals tens of millions in new ICE spending on guns, chemical weapons and explosives. Guns and explosives. Why would they need that? I want you guys to, again, think about the fact that Donald Trump is not just tearing down the east wing of the White House, but also reinforcing the bunker that's under the east wing of the White House. And then think about the fact that ice, his secret police force, is now boosting its spending on chemical weapons and munitions by 700%. And then I want you to think about what federal law enforcement is doing in this moment while they're having secret police attacking brown and black people in the street, while you have mainly Southern troops, National Guard troops, coming up to the north to cities like Portland and Chicago to Los Angeles, occupying those cities and brutalizing people in the street or at least menacing them in the street. I mean, secret police doing it. And then I want you to think back to the stuff they're not investigating on the FBI side. Listen to this clip of Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson. This is from during the 2024 election. Elon and Tucker did an interview together on one of their two podcasts. And this is D4. And they talk about the Epstein files. Take a listen to this.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
You know, I think part of why Kamala is getting so much support is that if Trump wins, that Epstein client list is going to become public. Yes. And some of those billionaires behind Kamala are terrified of that outcome. Yeah. Do you think Reid Hoffman's uncomfortable?
- [68:21]
Joy Reid
Yes.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
And Gates. Yeah. I only ask that because you can sort. You just look at them and you're like, that's a nervous person right there.
- [68:31]
Joy Reid
I don't know.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I mean, I assume you know them. Yeah. Yeah. Reid Hoffman was my vice president, business development at PayPal.
- [68:38]
Joy Reid
Yeah. 24 years ago.
- [68:45]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Does he seem nervous to you? Yeah, I mean, he's terrified of a Trump victory because of the disclosure that would follow, I think. Yeah. I mean, I think he's certainly ideologically not aligned with Trump anyway, but I think he is concerned about the Epstein situation. Like something might actually. The DOJ might actually move forward.
- [69:10]
Joy Reid
Okay, let's stop there. Stop there. He's afraid that if Kamala Harris wins or that if Donald Trump wins, he's saying that if Donald Trump wins, there's a fear among some of the elites. And let's note again, Elon Musk is one of the billionaires that had standing. Apparently frip scheduled to go and meet with Jeffrey Epstein on Epstein Island. We don't know if he ever went. We don't know wherever it went. But he and Peter Thiel were both on that list of people who were emailing back and forth about meeting with Epstein. Okay, let's put a pin in that now. Now I want you to go back and let's go back in the machine, the wayback machine, and listen to two people who are now principals in the FBI. Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. Cash Patel is the FBI Director. FBI Director and Dan Bongino, who is a deputy of the FBI, talking about the Epstein files. This is D5.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Please do not let that story go. Who has Jeffrey Epstein's black book? Black book FBI. But who that is that. I mean, there's. That's under direct control of the Director of the FBI. What the hell are the House Republicans doing? They have the majority. You can't get the list.
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Joy Reid
Put on your big boy pants and.
- [70:21]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Let us know who the pedophiles are.
- [70:23]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Would you declassify the Epstein files?
- [70:26]
Joy Reid
Yeah.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Yeah, I would.
- [70:27]
Joy Reid
All right.
- [70:28]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I guess I would. I think that less so because, you know, you don't know. You don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there, because it's a lot of phony stuff with that whole world. But I think I will. This isn't about Epstein or 911 or JFK or RFK. It is, but it isn't. It's about a bigger thing. If you're lying about that, you're lying about everything. Who's on the Epstein tapes, folks? Who's on those tapes? Who's in those black books? Why have they been hiding it? And this is something Donald Trump has talked about. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?
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Joy Reid
It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. Everything's going to come out to the public. The public has a right to know. Americans have a right to know. Yeah, they have a right to know. So you know what? I am sure that the Department of Justice and the FBI are going to get right on that. Here's their latest press conference, definitely, for sure, announcing that they are opening the doors. They're going to throw open the information and give you guys all the information you deserve to know about the Epstein files. Here it is, D6. Tell them, cash.
- [71:38]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Tell them details, specific examples where the Defendants profited from illegal gambling and illegal betting on various NBA games about the performance of players on, among other things, the Charlotte Hornets, the Portland Trailblazers, the Los Angeles Lakers, and the Toronto Rangers. Each defendant in the NBA basketball gambling case has been charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering.
- [72:10]
Joy Reid
Oh, wait. What? Wait, I thought. Okay, let's bring our guests in because I'm going to need some help understanding this. Joining. Joining us now is Oren La, well informed philosopher, yapper, and youngest. And also you may know from the opening jingle of the Joy Reid show, because of course, he is a member of the food chain, along with Chad Brown, former football player extraordinaire, and Charles Johnson, corporate executive, over 20 years of leadership experience, former quarterback for the University of Colorado's 1991 national championship team. They together are part of an incredible radio program in the great city of Denver, Colorado. They're sports experts, and I'm not going to demand that Orin rap the theme song to the show.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
There'd be no bars. No bars.
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Joy Reid
Gentlemen, thank you all for being here. What the. What I thought Oren. What I like to call Moranzelo, and I am his.
- [73:11]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I don't know if you guys can hear me, but I can't hear Joy.
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Joy Reid
Can'T hear me. Oh, okay, we got to get the sound up for. Okay, hold on. Let's make sure the sound is up. Okay. Okay, there we go. So. Oh, all right. We're going to get the sound, right?
- [73:27]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Oh, okay.
- [73:28]
Joy Reid
I think it's on his side. So, you guys, let's make sure. And we figure out unmute.
- [73:31]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
You're gonna have to unmute where you're at.
- [73:33]
Joy Reid
You gotta unmute yourself, brother. Tell him unmute. Somebody text him.
- [73:36]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Cj, you gotta unmute, my friend.
- [73:38]
Joy Reid
Yes, Make CJ unmute. Y' all text him. Oren, explain to us how I'm not muted. I can hear you getting at these, Epstein. Oh, yeah, I can hear you. I got you. Yeah, I can hear you.
- [73:51]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Can you hear me, cj, you might have to log out and log back in. You're holding up production, brother.
- [73:56]
Joy Reid
I know. Let's let CJ log out. Okay, let's take CJ and put him backstage and we're going to have CJ log out. We're going to figure it out. We're just going to be just the three of us, just for a moment, building these casts.
- [74:04]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Just for a moment.
- [74:05]
Joy Reid
Oren Lamena, what in the hell is going on? I thought that the FBI was going to get us the Epstein Files. And instead they're getting a sports betting. What's happening?
- [74:13]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
It seems like they're all too willing to switch focus. By the way, I'm officially changing Cash Patel's names to Blinky McGoogly Eyes. He's no longer Cash Patel. He is now blinking McGoogly eyes, the useless one.
- [74:28]
Joy Reid
He's in Valhalla. He thinks he's going to Valhalla, but when he gets there, the whites are going to be like, excuse me.
- [74:33]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Every answer that the American public has wanted from the FBI director and his vaunted FBI still remains open. Right? Whether it's, you know, who killed Charlie Kirk most recently. Go back a step further. Obviously, what you just mentioned with the Epstein files. And yet this convenient pivot to uncover La Costa Nostra. It's almost like, is this the 1990s all over again, fellas? Like, when did we find ourselves really concerned? Let me tell you something. If La Costa Nostra has scaled back from running Las Vegas to illegal side poker games, I think we're all doing pretty well. This is obviously some weird pivot to try and distract. I just don't understand it. And both you, Joy and C.J. i was talking to C.J. last night, had an interesting take. And I'll let you guys expand on it, that this might be a bit of the revenge tour for Trump. But that even doesn't really make sense in the calculus.
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Joy Reid
It doesn't. All right, C.J. if we got you back in, explain to us your theory. And also just explain, explain the scandal because Chauncey Billups, who is one of the great players who's now on the coaching side, is caught up in this. What is the actual story? What are they investigating? And what do you think is this is really about?
- [75:50]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
And, you know, I'll tell you. And by the way, Joy, appreciate the opportunity to come on your platform. You are amazing. I just want to pay homage to the queen. Before I go any further, here's what I'd say. I do think that this is chapter or the next chapter in the Trump revenge tour, a retribution tour. If you think about the four sports leagues, major sports leagues, one of which chad played for 15 years in the National Football League, they all have a distinct sort of demographic profile. The NBA is the black league. It is also the league that's been the most vocal in opposition of Donald Trump through its ownership with Mark Cuban and others, Steve Kerr, one of the notable head coaches, Gregg Popovich, and of course, the litany of players. And so I think there's a Throughput with what you presented in your last block and what we're talking about now, I think there's a consistency there. And so he's going to try to extract his pound of flesh from the National Basketball association and embarrass it as much as possible. Now, as it relates to Chauncey specifically, the thing that really gnaws me is I still don't know the story. They use words like Chauncey's the face card. Right. As if that's in and of itself some menacing thing that you do. Every celebrity that I know is a face card for an organization when they want to attract people to their event. Chad Brown probably gets a call once a week for someone. Now that we're using the term face card, they need Chad to be their face card. That in and of itself is not a crime. They haven't connected the dots. So I feel like there is a presumption of innocence, but a presentation of guilt. And by the way, the face of this story, from top to bottom, with all the people that are supposedly engaged in it, are black faces. Exactly. And I'm saying, wait a minute. The face of La Costa Nostra, whatever it is, I can't even. I forgot how you even pronounce it, are black faces. You would think that Chauncey Billups was the Bob Moss for the Gambino family, the way this thing has been presented. And I think it's just too easy to demonize black bodies. And in this case, in allegations of gambling in sports, that's consistent what we see in society at large.
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Joy Reid
Right. And Chad, I mean, the thing that. Well, first of all. And they also made up a team. I don't think there's such thing as the Toronto Rattlers. Now, I'm not saying that I'm an expert, lady. You all are the sports broadcasters, not me. Last I checked, there weren't no Toronto Rattlers. They done made up a whole team that does not even exist in order to. Right. And so Chad, to talk about this a little bit, because it definitely feels to me like it's very pleasing to Trump because it's black faces being said to be criminals. And he's angry that he was, you know, shown to be a criminal and indicted. And so he's looking for people to demonize. And black people are his favorite target. But it also, to me, because they're going up talking about it being a crime family in the Mafia. It feels like it's feeding his obsession with the 80s. Right. Because we haven't really heard. These are Stories that seem like very 80s, early 90s, which is his favorite era.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I think as you get older, certainly you get locked into an era. And to your point, Joy, I think Trump is locked into an era. And I got to repeat after my friend CJ Here, it's great to be on with you, Joy. Long admired your work. So happy to be on the podcast with you. But Trump has always used whatever he can to be divisive. When we're talking about the NFL in the national anthem protest, he inserted himself into that to be divisive and create them and us. Now he's doing the same thing here. Here's these millionaire black athletes. No, they're just common criminals. Them and us. This is a repeating of a pattern that has existed a long time with this man going back to the Central park five, Them and us. So now this comes up again, and now it's no longer protected by your class and wealth as the NBA player. You're still one of them. And then there's us on the right side of this. So your previous montage of all the excuses around the Epstein file, this just plays into this. This is another bit of information, another bit of red meat for the them and us to grasp onto while still avoiding what in the end is one of the biggest scandals maybe in American political history. This Epstein file and this cover up here. So, yes, this plays into the established playbook, and it just keeps delaying the inevitability of US uprising and demanding someone show us what's in these files and.
- [80:20]
Joy Reid
What'S in that black book and also just literal uprising. Because, Oren, you know, they're doing this while they're creating, they're, they're reinforcing the bunker under the East Wing, destroying the East Wing and creating a National Guard rapid response force. It says to me, suppression of dissent, violent suppression of dissent, violent suppression of even questioning while the secret police are operating in our cities. I can't not see all of it at the same time. Your thoughts?
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
No. And there is also a very convenient. We forget in recent past 2007, when Tim Donaghy, a real NBA scandal of gambling involving a. An official in which he later went on to declare that there were other officials that were complicit in fixing games. The NBA or. And the FBI were both. And the. And the courts both decided not to. They didn't believe Tim Donaghy's story. They basically said that he was a liar, although no investigation was actually done. You know, this intersection between sports and politics, as you guys have pointed out, In a Trump regime. It's so haphazard that I started looking to the waiver wires to see what else could be here to sort of stir this up, because we know full well that they're not interested in stopping organized crime. Donald Trump is a mob boss, you know what I mean? And if you're going to go get an organized crime family, start with the Milkowski. I think that's the guy from New Jersey's name who's across the. Start with that crime family. And so to venture into the NBA right now to embarrass that league at this point, at this point, what we're dealing with, I think is an idiocracy that is teetering now, yes, obviously into something that is a. We've all feared coming, which is that fascism full on, you know what I mean? And I don't know, there's, there's, there's so many layers to uncover. I remember back when Mark McGuire and when, when it was the whole steroids and baseball thing, the one thing that I thought about at that time was you people have better things to do with your time if you're on Capitol Hill than investigating whether or not there are performance enhancing drugs in, in baseball. And I say the same thing here. But then you look at the players, you look at Cash Patel, you look at Dan Bongino, you look at the president that they serve, and this is obviously the, the horses out of the barn and, and they're just running amok with the justice system, like you pointed out, with what they're doing with the East Wing. And it really is unnerving to a lot. And I think a lot of Chad and, and, and C.J. can speak to this. A lot of Americans find solace in sports. I don't know how wise that is, because sports is like pro wrestling in a lot of cases to me. But they find. And so when you attack this, it's just another vector at which the chaos agent is able to disrupt what it is that the public has to fall back on. And at some point in time, it has to stop. And I say that not exactly knowing how we do that. Yeah, I think you make a great point. And I think sports have always been viewed as sort of the last vestige of a meritocracy in our country is pure. And Chad has done, as I have done, sports talk radio for years, one of the hardest things to do, one of the most lonely times on the air when you talk sports is when there is a cultural issue that pops up, something like what we're talking about today. And here I am, the black voice given a different view, context, you should see what's coming in on the punchlines and on the calls.
- [84:01]
Joy Reid
Right?
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I mean, they are they, I mean, violently protesting any mention of anything that's not relevant to who's going to win the game or how many yards that your favorite player rushed for. And so, and that's one of the reasons why Joy, like, how the media handles these things, I think, is another element of this. We all know, I think we're all in concert on what Trump is to this, what his role is it, his role is in it. But I think the media has a responsibility as well, and I think they're fumbling in their responsibility as they often do when it comes to these issues that are related to culture. I call out many of my white friends, I say, listen, don't get frustrated with me. If you call yourself my friend, you can't get frustrated with me questioning what is conventional wisdom to you. I need you, my friend, to be a friend and be curious. Ask me why I feel the way that I do. And if you're not capable of that, then you have to question whether or not you are a real friend. This, I think as difficult as these times are, there are opportunities within our own spaces to call our own selves out. And the people that we call us, you know, that that's a part of our circles out as well. And, you know, I think there's an opportunity there for us to make progress. But we, we, the, the media, again, the way they presented this so salacious around a guy in Chauncey Billups that we all know, like, I, I, I was just with Chauncey a couple of months ago at an event. One of the most upstanding gentlemen that I've ever met in sports. I love this guy. Full disclosure. Look, if Chauncey's guilty of something, let it play out. But the presentation of guilt is just too, it's too familiar when it comes to black bodies. And I'm, I, I, I'm just gonna call it out as I see it.
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Joy Reid
Amen. Chad.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I don't want to step Chad, I don't want to step on your toes. But there's also, when you read the indictment, there are no definitive charges against Chauncey. So to mention his name in this was really a shot at sensationalism. Sorry to interrupt.
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Joy Reid
Indeed. Chad, last word to you.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Well, just think about the super bowl halftime show and Bad Bunny being named.
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Joy Reid
Bad Bunny bowl it is. Bad Bunny Bowl.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Yes. So I thought, I thought you was going to. They not like us, but go ahead. Bad Bunny is an American citizen. Yes, there was no revolt when Coldplay got the super bowl halftime show. There was no. So it's a familiar pattern that we on this podcast are all familiar with and can see with plain eyes. And as CJ Just point out, unfortunately, there's people who may be well intended who can't see through the same lens, but are quick to jump onto the media narrative. And so while I've got tons of issues with Trump and his administration, what they specialize in is taking those maybe well intended folks and presenting them with a narrative that seems very palatable to them, that makes sense to them that Bad Bunny is an Other as an extension of the US and them as opposed to. No, Coldplay is actually the Other. They're a British band. You know, Bad Bunny is an American citizen. So no one's having this kind of conversation in the right places to point out these purposeful attempts to us and them. This entire sports aspect and this latest thing about the NBA and gambling is just an extension of a long played.
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Joy Reid
Part of a playbook indeed. Oren, tell us where we can listen to you guys podcast, please.
- [87:38]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Well, CJ and Al are both found and Chad are all on the Gorilla Sports Network. Gentlemen, give them your handles. It's. It's up and coming, but big things in the, in the future as well. That's right, the big Al and CJ podcast. You can, you can join me at. @ CJ Five Downs. Now, Joey, there's a story behind the Five Downs, but at CJ Five Downs. @ Chad Brown, 94 years.
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Joy Reid
Come on, CJ what are you doing? See, what's the story?
- [88:06]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
He can't count. He can't count. That's the story. I stood a touchdown on a fifth down against the Missouri Tigers a long time ago. The first time and the only time in college football history where a team actually won a game on a fifth down. That's the, that's the short five down. Infamous.
- [88:23]
Joy Reid
All right, Chad Brown, tell Brown 94.
- [88:26]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
And you can follow me where they're talking about onto a podcaster. In fact, I'm actually in Ames, Iowa, going to be calling the BYU Iowa State game. So follow me for all the football conversation you could ever want.
- [88:39]
Joy Reid
Love it. And Oren, besides Band Camp, where you can pick up the theme song to this show, you can also find you wear Oren Lomena.
- [88:47]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Keep up with me on IG oodnews travelfast.
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Joy Reid
Good news. We appreciate you Oren Lavanda, Chad Brown, Charles Johnson, my friend C.J. thank you very much. I appreciate you all come back anytime. We got to do this on a regular.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
It's a family affair. You know, I'm gonna be back.
- [89:05]
Joy Reid
Well, I know. I know where you are. Take care. All right, y', all, thank you very much. Bye. Bye. Okay, so that's it. So now you gotta actually seen the face of the person that actually performs the theme song to this show. It's called. Well, actually, it's a really great song. We have now got one of the fun things that I do love to do whenever we do a podcast, and that is to do a Friday Fun Day panel that can come in and talk about all the various, many, many, many, many things that are happening. Okay, so we're going to do that. We're going to come on and let me. Hold on, hold on, hold on. But before I do that, before I bring them on, I just want to play one piece of video first. This is. This is E1. I have to play this for y'. All. This is what happened. This is the reason that I really, genuinely don't understand why Andrew Cuomo keeps debating Zoran Mandani. I think he should stop doing it. Personally. I think he shouldn't ever do it again. So let me just play E1. This is the Ether without the track is what I call this. This is zoran mamdani ethering.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Mr. Cuomo, in 2021, 13 different women who worked in your administration credibly accused you of sexual harassment. Since then, you have spent more than $20 million in taxpayer funds to defend yourself, all while describing these allegations as entirely political. You have even gone so far as to legally go after these women. One of those women, Charlotte Bennett, is here in the audience this evening. You see, sought to access her private gynecological records. She cannot speak up for herself because you lodged a defamation case against her. I, however, can speak. What do you say to the 13 women that you sexually harassed? If you. If you want to be in government. Government, then you have to be serious and mature.
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Joy Reid
What? And let's bring in our Friday panel. Joining me now, Molly John Fast, my friend, writer, journalist, political commentator extraordinaire, known for her work at publications like Vanity Fair and the Daily Beast, contributor writer for the New York Times, host of the Fast Politics podcast, and Joshua Doss, nationally recognized pollster and data analyst, working with figures like Vice President Kamala Harris, President Joe Biden. By day, he's got public opinion strategy. By night, he's built A thriving parallel president of the comedian, culture critic, and sports commentator. You may have seen him on Comedy Central from time to time. Thank you both for being here.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Thanks for having us.
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Joy Reid
Thank you, guys. Just listen to the radio. I'm like, you see an old radio person listening to the radio so we don't get feedback. Molly, I got to go to you first, my friend. As a New Yorker, what do you make of Andrew Cuomo's face falling physically off of his skull onto the ground when Zorhan Mamdani called him out and said in the audience, is one of your victims?
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
I don't understand how he's so unprepared for this. Like, I just don't understand. There are so many people who want him to be mayor, and he's made and he's raised so much money, and there's like, a whole machine supporting this guy, and it's like, he has no. I mean, how did he not see this coming? And every interview I've seen, I'm like, is no one prepping him?
- [92:21]
Joy Reid
Like, Charles would have seen it coming. Everyone could have seen it coming. I mean, everybody.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
And at every point, it strikes me that my man is just completely. He doesn't even want it. Like, you're taking all this money from all of these wealthy donors, and you don't even really want to be mayor.
- [92:40]
Joy Reid
Why, Josh, you're the pollster. I mean, does he. I mean, at this point, is it over, or is it maybe kind of over?
- [92:49]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I'm not gonna say it's over. It definitely feels over. But one thing I've learned as a pollster is it's, you know, polls are a snapshot in can change pretty quickly. That being said, I am also astonished as to how he doesn't have responses ready to go for some of these things. Like, especially that one where if you're looking, if you're paying attention to what Zoron is saying, when he's not in front of you debating, he's actually hitting these points all the time. Like, this was, like, not a secret that he was going to go there, and just the response just wasn't it?
- [93:22]
Joy Reid
Stay with you for a second, because you worked a lot of Democrats. Josh Hakeem Jeffries appears now preparing to go ahead and endure. I mean, literally, voting starts on Saturday. Today is Friday, meaning tomorrow people are going to be able to start doing early voting. He's now, like, preparing to endorse Mamdani. I don't understand it. It makes no sense to me, the weirdness around endorsing Mamdani among Democrats. I don't get it. Do you understand it?
- [93:47]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Yeah. I mean, it seems like the same touchiness that I think the party has had around other movement people like, you know, Alexandria Acosta Cortez and Bernie Sanders. I do think that sometimes when change feels radical, it can scare the old guard. Not to call anybody in particular the old guard, but I think it can be a little bit frightening. And I think that this is one of the areas where it's kind of cool to see how organic Zoram Dani's base has been in propelling him forward here, because clearly the powers that be are a little timid about some of the things that he wants to do. So that the people have kind of stepped up in this regard, and it's.
- [94:24]
Joy Reid
Been cool to watch. And, Molly, have you. I mean, you talk to a lot of New Yorkers. Obviously you're a New Yorker. I mean, are people really scared of Mamdani, or are they just afraid their taxes will go up? Is it more about the taxes going? Like, what is the issue?
- [94:38]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Well, this is a very good question, I would say. What I think is interesting about Mondami is like, you have all of these Democrats wondering, how do you break through, right? The whole 24 cycle, how do you break through?
- [94:53]
Joy Reid
How do you break through? Here's a guy who's wildly popular, right?
- [94:57]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
He's got much less money.
- [94:59]
Joy Reid
People are lining up.
- [95:01]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
He's broken through. So instead of being like, maybe we.
- [95:05]
Joy Reid
Should try to figure out what it.
- [95:06]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Is that people like about this guy.
- [95:09]
Joy Reid
And try to do it with other.
- [95:10]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Candidates instead of doing that. There is a part of the New York City community that is just beyond freaked out by him. Now, when I ask them what it is that they don't like about him, they say, he's anti Semitic. So then I say, well, how is he anti Semitic? And they say either this debunked line about globalized intifada, which he never said. And even despite having never said it, he also disavowed it. Like, I don't know how you can.
- [95:39]
Joy Reid
Do more than that.
- [95:40]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
And I've heard him speak really well on issues of antisemitism and be very sensitive and understand that that is an issue that a lot of people have. And at the same time, what I think, what the best I can understand is that people, that these people and I do not feel this way, and I'm Jewish, feel that being anti Zionist is somehow akin to being anti Semitic, which we all know is not true, right? Jews are not Israel. Israel is not Jews. And Israel right now is not even being run by someone who is particular. I mean, it's being run by their Trump who is trying to stay at.
- [96:18]
Joy Reid
War to stay in office.
- [96:20]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
So that is the most I can understand of it. But I also think there's a lot of. There's just a lot of craziness going on right now.
- [96:31]
Joy Reid
Yeah, there's a little echo on Molly's mic. Sorry, I'm gonna just let her. Yeah, I think you might have another thing on. Let me make sure, too, because there does. It does feel like part of the issue with the leader, with Leader Jeffries is that he's on the one side, whatever it is he wants to do as a guy from Brooklyn, and on the other side, donors that are saying we are homo.
- [96:56]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Oh, you kind of. You kind of cut out for me at the end there. Is that. Was that just me?
- [97:01]
Joy Reid
No, no. Okay, let me just repeat again. It seems that there are. Yeah, I can hear an echo. I hear an echo. Who hears an echo? I hear an echo, too. So I think somebody else has got the phone playing while they're listening. I don't know what it is. Okay, we're going to mute everybody. We're going to mute the microphone. Let's see if we can figure out what the sound issue is. Ah, now I don't hear an element. I don't hear anything. We're going to put them on one at a time. Let's put Josh on. Just Josh. And keep Molly muted for just a second. And so what I was asking you, Josh, if you can hear me, is. Is the establishment of the Democratic Party listening to donors who want corn and that's why they can't come all the way toward Mamdani even though he's a Democratic nomination?
- [97:49]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Yeah, I mean, this is. You're asking me a question that I want the answer to.
- [97:53]
Joy Reid
To it.
- [97:54]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I would love to know. I would love to know the answer, because I honestly feel like this is. If there is any moment in history for us to turn away from these establishment donors, the people who are. Have been funding the status quo politics in service of the energy that can come from an organic movement like Zora Momdani, it's now. Yeah, it's absolutely right. There is a quote from. I can't remember the name of the book, but it said, I've never seen a billboard as pretty as a tree. In fact, unless the billboards fall, I might never see a tree at all. And I think about that when I think about Zoram Hamdani his campaign is the tree that's going to take over the billboards.
- [98:45]
Joy Reid
Right.
- [98:45]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
This feels like the moment. And so I don't have a direct answer for what they're listening to, but I can use this time to say what they should be listening to, which is this organic movement coming from his campaign.
- [98:57]
Joy Reid
Speaking of organic, Molly, let's talk about this White House thing. We really kicked off the show with it. It's something everyone, I think, is talking about. I think this has captured the attention of the country, whatever you are, wherever you are, politically, because as somebody who's been to the White House Christmas parties, taken, my godmother, our kids, my husband, we've all been there. It feels so personal. This is a museum that is owned by the American people, and Donald Trump is turning it into tacky Mar A Lago and also, you know, strengthening the bunker under the ballroom. Just giving. It's giving Hitler's Germany. It just is.
- [99:33]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
So what I would say, I think is very interesting about this East Wing thing is that, you know, he's really erasing the legacy of all of these different First Ladies. And we saw these pictures of Michelle Obama and Bar and Bush. Not Barbara, but the other Lauren.
- [99:54]
Joy Reid
No, Laura. Yeah.
- [99:56]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
And we saw pictures of them. You know, this was the domain of the First Ladies, and this was the job they had. And again, it's, you know, why I think it will break through. Why I think it is something that breaks through is because it's just such a visceral picture of what, you know, of sort of betraying norms and institutions. It's not his house to renovate. It's not these corporations money to give. Right. Like, the reason we use taxpayer dollars for things is not because we're so moral and upstanding. It's really so that people can't have control over the government. So corporations can't have control over control over the government. We don't have corporate sponsors for Congress because of this. And I think there's like a fundamental. There was just some news that broke. I don't know if it's legit or not or if it'll even happen, but that there's some corporation that's gonna pay for the people who are the service members who are out of work during the shutdown. Again, this is not how it works. And there's a reason why it doesn't work this way because of corporate corruption. And I think, like, Donald Trump has sort of crossed this Rubicon where these people have just sort of given up. And I think, like, if we, and I, and I do, I am not.
- [101:17]
Joy Reid
A believer that Trumpism lasts forever. I do not believe that.
- [101:20]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
I think that, you know, he wants us to think that. I think autocrats want that, want people to be afraid and to think that, but I really don't. I think this is a paper tiger. I think these people are not very smart. I think they're sort of just, they're.
- [101:34]
Joy Reid
Not popular and they can't keep it going.
- [101:37]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
But you know, there's gonna be a real question, like the kind of anti corruption sort of legislation that's gonna have to pass after this. Democrats can't do business as usual. We're gonna need real candidates who are ready to shake up the status quo.
- [101:51]
Joy Reid
Right. And Josh, I mean, this is the point I get. Well, I don't believe it lasts forever either. I mean, it never does. Because the people who engage in autocracy and this sort of monarchical kind of rule, they always go too far. They build too many gilded, golden, ugly, hideous ballrooms on the public dime while taking away SNAP benefits and farm subsidies and too many farmers commit suicide and lose their land. And those people get broke. And it's not just the people that the madness hate. It's not just the brown people being tackled. It's also white American, black Americans and citizens and veterans. And at a certain point, you're messing with too many people and the whole thing does come apart. But the challenge is at the, in the moment, there seems to be nothing standing in the way of Donald Trump doing this. When we can he do this to the Lincoln Memorial. Yes, he could take down. That's where we're at. Yeah.
- [102:43]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I mean, you know, I just think back to like, these all are things that we were screaming about during the election, is that Donald Trump wants to erase the history not just of, you know, black and brown Americans in this country. Like, Donald Trump wants to replace any history that's not directly connected to his presidency. And so, I mean, I think the weirdest thing for me, and I agree with you, Molly, seeing that picture was just like, it felt like I'm going to be seeing this picture in a textbook. If we have those in 20, I don't know, we might even have those anymore, given the Department of Education. But the weirdest thing to me was like, I wasn't even that, like, it felt like Trumpism. This felt like what we signed up for. I was like, yeah, of course, of course he's demolishing the White House. Like parts of the White House. Of course, of course corporations are paying for it. You know, of course, we've, we've, and we've had these issues with corporations having their, their hands in politics for far too long. And like, this is a perfect picture metaphor to go down. And this is it. This is the brick and mortar manifestation of a problem that we've had for far too long. And that Donald Trump is just going to keep capitalizing on as long as we allow him to do it.
- [103:54]
Joy Reid
And by the way, I will note for everyone, just for the history of it, if we want to be technical. Back during the Gilded Age, you did have the men of the Gilded Age, the Rockefellers and the super rich bail out the federal government. They personally bailed out the federal government. This is before there was an income tax and they stepped in and the JP Morgans of the world stepped in and bailed out the federal government because they're the ones who had the cash. And now, Molly, to the point of you have these big corporations and individuals giving, we were hearing $25 million, $30 million donating money, and then maybe getting their names etched in this gilded ballroom. So effectively, it's like a NASCAR thing where they're going to slap their stickers all over the public, the People's House and have their names there. And Trump has already said, this is for foreign leaders to be celebrated. This is not for Americans. If you ever visited the White House, you went through the East Wing. That's where Melania did her blood red Christmas pageant. That's where all the Christmas decorations are. This is the way you come into the White House as just the general public. It's the museum side as well, not just the first lady side. They're saying, no, no, no, this is for the rich. This is for the Saudi royal family and the Qatari royal family to be feted. This is for Trump to throw his gilded golden ballrooms and have the royals there, not for you. And he's made that really clear. And I guess at a certain point, I think that is kind of what ends up breaking this. Right? Because people don't want to live in a, they don't want to live in a monarchy. Yeah.
- [105:19]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
I mean, I would also add, like, we've seen very rich people behave very badly in this administration, like, in incredible ways. I mean, we've seen Elon Musk take the richest man in the world, take a chainsaw and cut cancer research for children. So, like, you know, I'm sorry, maybe the American people want that.
- [105:41]
Joy Reid
I don't know.
- [105:42]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Everything I've been told my whole life is that we don't want rich people taking away tax dollars for children to get cancer care. I mean, you know, that's just from. You know, maybe I'm stupid, but look, you know, Elon Musk. And again, like we. The rich people we've seen have. Some of them have said they'll give money. Most of them, it's been, you know, when they have regulatory things coming up, when they, you know, when they're trying.
- [106:10]
Joy Reid
To get a deal done.
- [106:12]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
You know, like, if you look at the companies that are giving money to this project, there's not a lot of.
- [106:17]
Joy Reid
Altruism going on here. Yeah, yeah. No, it's all transactional. It's all transactional. Let's shift and talk about ICE just a little bit. There's a video that's gone very viral, and this is a man who says he's with ice. We don't know if he's really. They haven't claimed him. Department of Homeland Security has not laid hands and said, this is our person, but he is claiming to be ice. And I have to have you guys watch this video. This is E3, because it's extraordinary what he does when he's pulled over for drunk driving in the state of Florida. This is E3. It is DHS.
- [106:50]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Do you have your ID with you? No, I don't. Who is the guy in the white shirt? That's the colonel. Colonel don't mean. So I'm going to ask you to step out of the car and we're going to walk back to the back of your car, okay? Are you serious right now? Yes, sir, I am. So you said you're coming from Miami, going to Islamorada, and going back to Miami. What are you going to Islamorada for? Are we really doing this right now? Sir, I'm just asking you a simple question. Are you guys really trying to me right now? I'm just asking what. You look like you're impaired. I smell alcohol coming from you, so I'm just asking how much you had to drink to make sure you're not too impaired to drive that vehicle. Your eyes are bloodshot. They're kind of glassy. Are they really? Yes, sir, they are. Show me. I don't know how you want me to do that. Take a picture. And then also the way that you were seen driving, you're like, kind of swerving and stuff. Guys, look, I'm sick. SFSP certified, okay? So am I. I'm a drug recognition expert. Do you know what that is? Guys, come on. Guys, Are we really doing this? You know, clean. We are both law enforcement. I'm just. I'm going through a divorce. Come take my kids, man. I'm not taking your kids from you, man. I'm just making sure that you're safe to drive the car. You drank too much to drive a car. No, you didn't. Okay, could you get back in the starting position for me, please? Just left foot on the line and right foot in front. No, I got you, Lane. Okay. Give me a minute.
- [108:11]
Joy Reid
Okay.
- [108:12]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
All right. You got it, man. You can do it. Okay. Okay. I just don't want to be standing on the side of the road any longer.
- [108:20]
Joy Reid
Okay.
- [108:20]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I can show you the one leg stand if you'd like to.
- [108:23]
Joy Reid
Okay.
- [108:24]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I'm going through a divorce right now. We're missing all this. It's either a yes or a no. Just give me a minute, all right?
- [108:31]
Joy Reid
Deputy?
- [108:32]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
I. I did give you a minute, sir, but we can't. We can't stand here for. For this long, okay? Lane, I'm federal law enforcement. I'm going through a divorce. Wife just trying to take my kids. I'm just. You know what it's like to be in law enforcement. How long do you need, buddy? Just give me a minute. All right, guys? That's why. Trying to do the exercise.
- [108:54]
Joy Reid
That way we can move.
- [108:54]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Are you Haitian? That's nothing to do with my wrist, buddy. My question was, are you Haitian? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where he's from. Okay, let me talk to your supervisor. Not right now, Sir. Okay, awesome. 1001, 1002, 1003, 5, 1006. Guys, what the are we doing right now? Seriously, Scott, can you be honest with me? How much did you drink today? I had about four. Four what? Drinks. I'm not gonna do this in front of your kids, man. But you gotta come with me. How? You can put your hands behind it. If you're gonna pull away, then I'll do it in front of your kids. You are under arrest for driving under influence. Okay? Lane. Lane, you really me, man?
- [109:43]
Joy Reid
I didn't.
- [109:44]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Man. I'm not the one that drank today and drove.
- [109:48]
Joy Reid
Okay, so one update. Let me correct what I said earlier. ICE has cleaned him. He is an ICE agent. His name is Scott Diesel. He's 42 years old. He was pulled over in Florida after going to islamorada with his children in the car. They're ages 7 and 9. The Miami Herald reports that ICE is now claiming him. That he is. He's still employed by ice. He's just on administrative Leave because he is charged with dui. Josh. He went through the whole bargaining, anger, disbelief. He went through all of the phases of grief, but he also added a phase of grief called racism. He was like in the midst of his personal legal crisis, he decides to try to question the deputy's legal status and ask Izzy, hey. He's like, I want to see your supervisor, dude. That was the supervisor.
- [110:35]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Isn't that. Wasn't that so almost symbolic in the middle of the all your problems, you still in black folk business. Look at that. Look at you stealing black folk, your wife leaving you, and you still in black folk business. You can't focus on yourself for a second, my man, you're going to prison.
- [110:53]
Joy Reid
There's always time for racism.
- [110:56]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
It's always a little time. Yeah, I'm not surprised. He sounds like somebody who's emboldened by an abhorrently racist president and sounds like somebody who, you know, at this moment in time is getting the support of the federal government to, to kind of run amok and rules don't. Rules don't matter to somebody like that. It was absolutely disgusting. I think about every time I see one of these ICE agents, it, it burns me up inside. Joy to remember that they're offering ICE 50k in bonuses and student loan forgivenesses. Think things that they tell you that you don't deserve.
- [111:32]
Joy Reid
That's right. Correct.
- [111:34]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
They're giving to people like that to round up regular, everyday Mexican Americans outside of AutoZone. It's a crazy world we're in right now.
- [111:46]
Joy Reid
And Molly, they're also not vetting the people. So they're trying to say you can get student loan forgiveness. Most of the people they're hiring don't have college degrees. Some of them have criminal records. Some of the people they're hiring aren't even vetted. And now when you see the videos of ICE agents in masks throwing brown people to the ground in the streets of the United States, you now know there are people like that guy who literally are. They seem to be of the belief that if, let's say the guy was Haitian, I guess he thinks that guy doesn't belong in the United States. And he would love to take a moment out of his DUI arrest to tackle that man to the ground and get him deported, that they don't believe that people who are not white belong in the country. So that's, you know, this is the kind of people they're hiring.
- [112:29]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
And, you know, I don't believe that a drunk guy driving a five year.
- [112:32]
Joy Reid
Old and a Seven year old. Seven and nine.
- [112:35]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Yeah, seven and a nine year old.
- [112:37]
Joy Reid
From, you know, on that causeway from Miami to the Keys because that's where Eilas Morata is.
- [112:45]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
And you're driving two kids under the age of 10 and you're drunk and those causeways are really narrow and it's.
- [112:55]
Joy Reid
The middle of the day in my.
- [112:57]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Mind, like that is probably, you know.
- [113:00]
Joy Reid
And he's saying, my wife wants to take my kids.
- [113:02]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
And I'm thinking to myself, I hope.
- [113:03]
Joy Reid
The wife gets a kid because something.
- [113:06]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Terrible is gonna happen. I mean the thing that I think it's like such a metaphor for, like, you know, he's so mad at these police for doing their job when he's drunk, but they're doing their job. So he doesn't kill his children, so.
- [113:22]
Joy Reid
He doesn't kill himself. Like, I mean, that is the thing that I'm struck by is like, I.
- [113:28]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Mean, obviously the racism, abhorrent and the.
- [113:31]
Joy Reid
Fact that this person feels emboldened beyond.
- [113:34]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Abhorrent and you know, this is Trumpism.
- [113:37]
Joy Reid
And the many echoes and waves of.
- [113:39]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Trumpism, but the fact that, you know.
- [113:42]
Joy Reid
They'Re trying to keep him from killing himself and his children, like that is.
- [113:47]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
The key, you know, and someone else, and I think that is just completely lost on him.
- [113:52]
Joy Reid
Well, and also I wonder, Josh, you know, the people who are, you know, spraying a man sized frog into the air hole, I don't know, are they sober? I mean, are the people who are jump doing jump outs in front of Walmart? I just saw another video today of a jump out where these two men in mass don't show a badge and then say, are you, where were you born to a woman, just brown. Are they sober? Are they criminals? Are they proud boys, Oath keepers? Who are they? We don't know. These guys could, 3 percenters, they could be, you know, January 6th defendants. We don't know. And they're pretty bold right now to be able to hunt down brown and black people.
- [114:32]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
And the better, I think, you know, another question is, you know, you said, are they sober? Do they have to be? I mean, given what's going to happen, like, let's see what happens to this guy. Maybe he'll be fine. Like, you know what I mean? Maybe he'll, maybe we'll get a slap on the wrist and go back to doing his job. Are they being. Yeah, yeah. So then, so then, yeah, we're asking the question, are they sober? Do they even have to. Is any, is there anything required? This is what, this is what living in Chaos is like, this is when you. When you go in trying to fix a problem that you caused. Right. Like, we had ample opportunity to tighten our border security. We want to get a get. We have Apple opportunity to fix our immigration systems. We're treating everybody who's black and. Or who's brown like they're criminals. We're afraid of crime. But the thing that reduces crime, the evidence and the research tells us is actually increasing things like Medicaid and snap. And when people have health care, they're less likely to. But that's too much. That's research. That's data. We don't want to get in that. And so, yeah, I mean, we just. We live in this situation. Anybody, any white man can put on some. Some gear and say, I'm ice, Right?
- [115:37]
Joy Reid
We've got a.
- [115:38]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
We got a Supreme Court that says that you can. You can. You can just ground people up based off of their race. Right? And that's. So it could be anyone, Right.
- [115:43]
Joy Reid
They're called Kavanaugh Stops after Justice Kavanaugh. Yeah.
- [115:48]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
And I think that, like, the. The greater question, because Trump had a lot of latitude on this issue, you know, going into the election, the better question is just like, does this feel like a good use of 9 billion of our tax dollars? Like, do you watch these videos and say, yeah, this is. This is how I want to spend my money as a taxpayer? I personally do not.
- [116:07]
Joy Reid
Well, I would say, I'll give you the last word on this, Molly. I bet you I know who does see this and say, yeah, the guys in the. In the I Love Hitler group chat, the guys call black folks monks, but no one's looking. Those guys in that group chat, they're probably thinking, hells, yeah.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Which Hitler Group chat are you talking about? Are you talking about the first one, right, with the Young Republicans, or the second one with the congressional approval of the. I mean, I'm telling you, when you have more than one Hitler Group Chat.
- [116:38]
Joy Reid
Scandal in a week. In a week, when people tell you who you are, believe. Believe them. First time. Joshua Das and Molly Jones, Fast, my friend. Thank you both very much. Real quick, Molly, tell us where we can find.
- [116:53]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
I am, you know, I have a substack. I write for the Times as a contributor. I have a podcast called Fast Politics. Thank you for having me, Joy. I miss you and I love you, and this is really fun.
- [117:07]
Joy Reid
We have to do this in person sometime soon. Yeah, please. Absolutely. Josh Dawson. It's so great to meet you. Where can we find you?
- [117:13]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
Great to meet you all, too I would like to be there in person, too. We know. You know what I'm saying? People can find me on Instagram at Doshdisk Discourse. That's Thought Dot Discourse. Also on TikTok as well. And if people are looking to get some good research, you can get it at Hit Strategies, where I work as a pollster.
- [117:27]
Joy Reid
I love it. One of us, one of us. Everybody hang out together. We appreciate you both. Thank you so much for being here. Appreciate y'. All. See you guys again soon. All right, we're going to plan a nice get together, you guys. That's. So that's it. That's the show. It has been an insane week. We have lost the east wing of the White House. And by the way, I just read a story today saying that structurally, the way that they knock down the east wing could jeopardize the structure of the rest of the House. So do not be surprised if there's also damage to the central part of the White House as well. We may lose the whole thing because of this fool, but at least he won't be able to have anyone say, well, you know, enslaved people built the White House because it'll be whatever people he gets to do the construction who somehow can't be brown. Who are they going to find do the construction? Just thinking about this for a moment. They're doing mass deportation, but the construction industry is heavily reliant on brown labor. But they're deporting brown labor. Who's going to actually do this construction? Are they going to make it whites only? Are they going to require you to be. Can you be brown and do this labor? Because that's who does a lot of the construction labor in the country? Are they going to racially profile those who are allowed to do the construction whenever they get to the construction? Is there a site plan? Were there permits taken out? Because according to Carolyn Levitt, they legally can do destruction, but construction is where they actually need approval. Is it just going to sit there with a gaping hole in the White House until they can get the approvals and permits together? Have they started that process? Is Congress involved? There are a lot of these questions here. And again, once the construction begins, is ICE going to raid the White House complex to make sure that there are no undocumented people doing the labor? Are there going to be ICE raids on the White House? All of this could happen. We appreciate you guys being here. Just a reminder that the shop is open if you guys want some of this great merch, like this fabulous outfit that I've Got here. We also have it in black. You can head over to shop. Joann reid.com. there it is on the screen so that you can see it and enjoy. We want you guys to post about your merch. If you're putting on the merch. If you've got the merch in your hand and you want to put snap a picture, put it on your IG or your TikTok or do a cute little video. Whatever you do, just make sure. What is the hashtag again? We're gonna put the hashtag up and it's gonna be wearing Joy. Hashtag wearing Joy. That's what it is. Hashtag wearing Joy. That is the hashtag. You can also put readers. Cause you know, we love that hashtag in tjrs. You can always do that as well. And now before we get out of here, let's play our moment of joy. And it's a funny one. This is a comedian who does the best Carolyn Levitt ever. Here's our moment of joy. What you've said these impending layoffs are due to. Okay, why don't you lay off? Like, literally. Next question. Which White House official. Your mom responsible. Next question. Okay, go. I have two questions. I have two questions. What party city did you buy that blazer from?
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Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
And also, shut up. The economic.
- [120:19]
Joy Reid
Stop, Stop. I literally said, you guys not to say the word economic. It's gonna make me upset. It was reported this morning. The president said you're ugly. Yeah, I heard that. Next question. Am I almost done? You told me I had to do this for five minutes and then I get a fun drink from Starbucks. Follow up question. No, no, Caroline.
- [120:39]
Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
No, no, no.
- [120:41]
Joy Reid
Like, you're so annoying.
- [120:43]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
Lala.
- [120:46]
Joy Reid
Question. Can I ask a question? Like, that's what you guys sound like. Does the president have a plan to continue to drill?
- [120:51]
Guest/Panelist (various, including Vicki Ward, Carolyn Levitt, Representative Jennifer McClellan)
So actually, I just spoke with President.
- [120:52]
Joy Reid
Trump this morning, and he had to say this about drilling. Next question. That is Kendall Landreth, who does a perfect and hilarious version of Carolyn Levitt. Thank you very much. That was so funny. That is on her Tik Tok. So y' all follow her on Tik Tok. Thank you for watching the Joy Reed Show. Thanks for watching on Substack. I'm watching on YouTube and wherever you get your podcast. We will see you on Monday. Have a great weekend. See you on the next the Joy Reacho. And now let's listen to Orin and the Food Chain.
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Guest/Panelist (various, including John Boyd Jr., Michael Wolf, Marjorie Taylor Greene, CJ, Chad Brown, Joshua Doss, Molly John Fast)
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