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Donald Trump is Alive & Still Ruining America | The Joy Reid Show, Sep 03, 2025
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Foreign welcome to the Joy Reid Show. Big ups to all of our wonderful subscribers and hello to everyone watching and listening on YouTube, on Substack on Spotify. Independent media is winning and winning and winning. I want to announce we are closing in on 260,000 YouTube subscribers and 170,000 and counting at Joy's house on the stack. Special big ups to our team, TJRS members and our upgraded comment approved subscribers over on substack. You are extra special but we love everybody in the readers fam. Hoping everyone had a fantastic Labor Day weekend and Labor Day itself. Now we took a day off, but know that we here at the Tori Reid show are never far from the news cycle. Now I can tell you one person who did not have a really great Labor Day weekend.
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There is so much to the story that nobody knows. There are decades worth of stories and information and a cover up of this.
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Capacity to have allowed for the abuse.
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Of over a thousand women over the course of decades. And then stories that demonstrate that Epstein.
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And others were able to perpetuate the abuse beyond even after the public knew.
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We know there's a lot more to this and I think that this is.
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The most corrupt administration in American history.
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And this story shows it more than anything.
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So we will keep fighting in honor.
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Of the survivors who are brave enough.
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To put themselves out there for truth and justice.
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And we will not back down until.
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There is full accountability and prevention from.
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This ever happening again.
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Yes, that's right, Representative Ansari. Donald Trump, who by the way, is very much alive. Not sure about well, but very much alive. Despite the social media obsession over pretty much the whole weekend that he might have gone to his great reward down below. He didn't have a great weekend. I mean, people literally were thinking he might be dead. There were hashtags and hilarious memes. Here are a few of them for you to enjoy. I mean, a weekend at Donald's I make grave for husband now is actually my favorite. We got the milk carton. You know, there he is with Eric. They're like, oh, no, no, he's fine. He's with his son. He was a baby. So, yeah, this is what happened to Donald Trump all weekend. I'm sure he did not enjoy it. Yes, that is Diddy in the picture. Ew. And there, of course, we've got Joe Biden. We've got Jesus walking him to the gates of hell. Come home now, says Vladimir Putin. And of course, you had to get a Hillary meme in. That is Donald Trump's weekend. And he clearly did not enjoy it. I bury husband now. And to put a stop to all that speculation, particularly after somebody started throwing. Watch this for a second. Throwing lard out of a White House window. You're gonna see it coming. Just wait for it. Leading some okay, maybe me to wonder whether those bags might have contained the soiled Donald diapers or maybe Melania's go bag or maybe some newly thief classified documents. Who knows. But they were throwing trash bags outside of the White House. Nobody understands what was happening there. So Trump attempted to quell all of the questions about all of these things, not to mention the nationwide outrage over his continued and now federally judge ruled illegal military occupation of Los Angeles and the nation's capital, which he is vowing to spread to other cities, including Chicago, to get rid of all of that. He attempted to shut it all down with a White House press conference flanked by members of his cabinet and some rather confused looking officials from Alabama, in which he announced that he will be moving the hilariously named new defense division that he created the first time he was president. Space Force from Colorado, which rejected him in 2024 in the election and in 2020 and in 2016 to Alabama, which he won all three of those times by a lot. Here is some of that presser problem.
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I have with Colorado. One of the big problems they do mail in voting. They went to all mail in voting.
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The air force in 2021 said Huntsville was the preferred location because of factors like infrastructure, capacity and cost.
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But in 2023, former President Joe Biden.
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Said the headquarters would stay permanently in Colorado. Humiliations for Trump just kept coming in response to his announcement at that hey, I'm still alive press conference that he will be attempting to expand his TEMU martial law to Chicago. The mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, issued an executive order barring Chicago police From doing what D.C. metro Police are already doing under their mayor's orders, namely cooperating.
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I do not take this executive action lightly. I would have preferred to work in a more collaborative approach, but unfortunately we do not have the luxury of time. We have received credible reports that we have days, not weeks, before our city sees some type of militarized activity by the federal government. This is an erratic, impulsive administration and it's not always possible to understand and know exactly how he will move.
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And the governor of Illinois added to the ongoing humiliation of Trump. Our elderly would be dictator by laying into him during a press conference of his own, which included Chicago Mayor Johnson and other state officials. Here's that.
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First, I want to address the president's unhinged remarks a few minutes ago begging me to call him. If the Governor of Illinois would call up, call me up, I would love to do it now. We're going to do it anyway. We have the right to do it because I have an obligation to protect this country. No, I will not call the President asking him to send troops to Chicago. I've made that clear already. I'm aware that the President of the United States likes to go on television and beg me to call and ask him for troops. I find this extraordinarily strange as Chicago does not want troops on our streets. I also have experience asking the President for assistance just to have the rug pulled out from underneath me. When execution meets reality, I refuse to play a reality game show with Donald Trump again in the coming days, we expect to see what has played out in Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. to happen here in Chicago.
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And by the way, be sure to check out the Joy Vitro interview with Mayor Brandon Johnson, which you can find on this channel or on substack or Spotify. But perhaps the worst news for Donald Trump came today when despite all of his efforts to label the Epstein files as a Democratic hoax, all run by.
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Democrats or for the most part run by Democrats. So what they're trying to do with the Epstein hoax is get people to talk about that instead of speaking about the tremendous success like ending seven wars. I ended seven wars. Nobody's going to talk about because they're going to talk about the Epstein. Whatever.
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I understand after all of that, it was a Republican Kentucky Congressman Thomas Massie, who I will remind you is the same gun fanatic who wants to make so called constitutional carry the law of the land all over the nation, who posted this sick family Christmas card back in 2021, one month after a 15 year old in Oxford, Michigan mowed down his school classmates, killing four of them with an AR15, who along with Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna defied Donald Trump by filing a discharge petition, which is it's a fancy parliamentary term for a petition to to get around the speaker of the House and force the release of the thousands of files the Trump administration and Republicans who control Congress are hoarding regarding perhaps the most prolific serial child predator, Jeffrey Epstein, whoever, who of course died while in the federal custody of Donald Trump's then Attorney General, who happens to be the son of the man who hired Epstein to teach in an expensive Manhattan private school before he officially began his life of sexual predation. Trump has deemed that that discharge petition is a hostile act. Here's how Congressman Massie responded to that, I'm pretty sure.
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I mean, it's a strong effort from the White House. They are literally calling it a hostile act. To sign this discharge petition now.
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And to reinforce the point that Epstein's victims deserve justice, the bipartisan group of lawmakers who are pushing for the full release of the files brought several of Epstein's victims to the Capitol to speak publicly, some for the first time, about what they suffered. Here are some of those victims.
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Transparency is justice. Release the files and the secrecy. And stand with us in declaring that.
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No one, no billionaires, no politicians, not.
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World leaders, is above the law. And let me announce now, several of us Epstein survivors have been discussing creating.
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Our own list of names.
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We know the names.
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Many of us were abused by them.
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Now, together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names. We all know we're regularly in the Epstein world, and it will be done.
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By survivors and for survivors, no one else is involved. Stay tuned for more details on that. Because history is washing, and so are.
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The women who will come after us.
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We are the keys to this situation. We have the truth. And the FBI knows the truth. The government knows the truth. You may pull the wool over the sheep's eyes, but we are the keys. We know who was involved. We know the game. We know the players. And we are sitting here for 20 years waiting for you to get up and do something. Well, guess what? Your time is up. And now we're doing it.
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My first trip to the Palm beach residence, I drove there from the airport with Ghislaine Maxwell. And they, Jeffrey and Ghislaine were always very boastful about their friends, their famous or powerful friends. And his biggest brag forever was that he was very good friends with Donald Trump. He had an 8x10 framed picture of him on his desk with the two of them, like they were very close.
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Martha listens to her favorite band all the time.
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In the car, gym, even sleeping.
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So when they finally went on tour, Martha bundled her flight and hotel on Expedia to see them live. She saved so much. She got a seat close enough to.
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Actually see and hear them.
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Sort of.
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You were made to scream from the front row. We were made to quietly save you.
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More Expedia made to travel savings vary and subject to availability. Flight inclusive packages are atoll protected. And then a really strange thing happened. When journalist Vicky warned me that this.
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Was going to happen when it had already happened.
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This woman.
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Abused children.
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Hmm. I wonder who could have authorized a military flyover of the Capitol right at that very moment. This is a truly strange world, folks, in which the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene find themselves on the same side as Democratic lawmakers like Ayanna Pressley and Ro Khanna in demanding accountability from the Trump regime.
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How is it possible that in the richest, most powerful country in the world, there are corrupt special interest forces, both foreign or domestic, that our preventing the release that have a stranglehold on our government and are preventing the release of the full Epstein files? There is something that is rotten in Washington. Less than 1% of these files have been released. We are demanding today on the discharge petition that all of the files be released.
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Although when asked directly about Trump, Marjorie had a lot less to say.
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What's your message to Trump who's blocking the files?
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What's your message to Donald Trump who's blocking the files?
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The question is, will accountability ever actually happen? I want to bring in Representative Jasmine Crockett of the great state of Texas. She sits on the Judiciary Committee and actually is the ranking member of the Give me the right name for your committee. I want to make sure that I don't get it wrong because you are the ranking member on the Subcommittee on Oversight of the Judiciary Committee. I want to make sure I have that exactly right.
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That is right. And it confuses people because I obviously also serve on the Oversight Committee. But on Judiciary there is a subcommittee that is called Oversight, and I am the ranker on that subcommittee.
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Got it? Okay. We got to make sure, because, look, people are very angry. They want you to have all the gavels. I want to make sure that they understand that my sorrow has gavels. Ok. So I want to talk to you about this Jeffrey Epstein situation, which Donald Trump has tried everything in his power to wriggle out from under, but it doesn't seem to be going away. Yesterday you had the opportunity to meet with some of these Epstein victims, some of whom have spoken for the first time and who today held a, I guess you could call it a rally. They sort of rallied in support of this Thomas Massie, Ro Khanna discharge petition. What did you hear from those victims?
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Well, I don't know that we've got enough time to go through all of that. We sat with them for about maybe close to three hours, a little under three hours, and we were able to hear their stories. But more importantly, like, when you come to a legislative body, it's like, what do you want us to do as elected leaders? And what is it that we don't know that we should know? So they were very helpful, not just the survivors, but Also, their attorneys in kind of, like, trying to bring us somewhat up to speed. But you have to recognize that, like, the first reports as it relates to Epstein go back to the 90s, right? And so having someone who survived Epstein in the early 90s, early mid-90s, in fact, that particular survivor talked about her and her sister that ended up being victims or victimized by him, I should say. And then you had someone as late as 2008, and so literally just listening to them and recognizing that the one sitting next to you didn't have to be victimized, that the one sitting next to her did not have to have her dreams cut short. And so, you know, I think there is a perception of what it is to be trafficked, because if you pay attention to, like, a lot of the people that I've dealt with in my criminal defense world, you know, like, it may have been people that, say, were dealing with drug addiction or had already been susceptible because they had been victimized before, or especially when we look at a lot of immigrants that end up kind of being sold into this. This world, this is a little different from what people are used to seeing, right? It's high level, it's tons of money. Because for us, money is power in this country, unfortunately, right? Like, the two are synonymous. But then it was grooming of little girls, it was grooming of children. So you combine, like, this idea of power, not just because you're an adult, but because you've got money. And when you walk in, all you see is influence. You see pictures of Epstein with, like, the most powerful people. And you've got Ms. Maxwell, who has this amazing accent and will talk to you as smooth as butter and bring you in and make you believe that. And it's. And I want people to understand this wasn't a matter of, oh, I go get a little girl and then I throw her in here and I have her in a cage or something. What this was was really paying attention, studying and finding out their vulnerabilities and finding out what was going on. And it usually started with, like, many of us, them overhearing some girls chatting with each other about what we gonna do to make some money, right? Over the summer or whatever, just trying to, like, make money as teenagers or as students that are getting ready to go off to college. So hearing that, you know, one of the survivors was actually headed to Oxford. She was one of 12 people that had been given a spot at Oxford out of thousands that had applied. And all of that went away. And basically, Maxwell came at her like Hey, I know you're about to do this. We want to make sure that this transition is easy as possible for you. We want you to do well in school. This is an easy gig. This is all you got to do. And you walk in and it's very simple. You're doing a quick massage, like, fine. Oh, I get quick money. This is great. Right? They did that. And then. And then you walk in. But you see that he's connected to everybody. You know that Prince Andrew ended up being a part of the drama. Right. So being connected to these high level, powerful people is really, you know, one of those things that they played on. And it was heartbreaking to know that they're saying, we're trusting you, even though every time we've trusted somebody to help us with this, they failed us. And so it is my hope and prayer that we don't fail them again.
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You know, what's interesting is there's very little. I hate the word bipartisanship. I think I'm over it. Having covered politics for a long time, there's almost nothing that's bipartisan other than starting wars generally. Right. But in this case, this is a case of very strange bedfellows. I don't think there's anything I've ever heard of that you and Marjorie Taylor Greene seem to be on the same side of in this case.
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That is the breaking news. That is the breaking news.
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The breaking news. Although I have to say, he seemed very reluctant to criticize Donald Trump specifically. But she and you are both on the same side of this issue. Ayanna Pressley, Ro Khanna, Thomas Massie, who's not exactly, you know, a champion of protecting at least children from gun violence. Right. I mean, he is the guy with the Christmas card showing himself with them with AR15s and his family. This has brought the right and the left together behind the scenes. Is that a genuine agreement or do you get a sense that in one way Republicans are just trying to get this off the table?
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So it's a combination. Good question. I will say that there are different motivations for different Republicans. And so when you look at Thomas Massie, he has bucked this administration more than once. He kind of does whatever he wants to do. You know, I had nicknamed Ken Buck. Ken Knuck. If you buck, because he was starting to buck this administration or they weren't in office just yet, what he was doing was he was actually bucking what Trump was trying to get him to do before even getting into office. And Massey said, I mean, and Ken said, forget It, I'm out. Like, I don't need this, right? Like, I don't need the threats. I don't need any of this nonsense. And so what we see from Massie is he consistently votes his values, which may not necessarily be my values, but it may result in us having the same vote in this. I think that he is really big on, like, I think that Massie is a real Republican to the core, right? Like, no, he doesn't believe in reining in the guns, like at all. Right? But at the same time, this is a guy that really does believe in fiscal responsibility. So he voted against the stupid bill. This is a guy that believes in transparency and doesn't believe that there should be a deep state or any of that kind of stuff. And so that's why he's dug in on this. So I think if you think about the things that Republicans espouse to be, you'll probably find Massie on the side of those things. I mean, I love to see, you know, where he stands on the invasion of, you know, troops into our cities because that's a very big government. There is nothing bigger. Right. And I think that Massie is really a traditional, like Republican and he believes in small government. And if we had a vote on that issue, something tells me he would actually side with us. He serves on judiciary with me as well. And he's brought a number of amendments that literally he is the only one that is bringing the amendment. And then the Democrats are the only ones that on his side and then the Democrats are the ones supporting him. So I think that he does the real Republican stuff. He's not a fake Republican that will say whatever to get the votes. But I think he really has drunk the Kool Aid on conservatism.
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The other, on the other side of that is the Speaker, Speaker Mike Johnson, who is it seems to be, and this might be my perception, correct me if I'm wrong, trying to do everything he can to stop the Epstein files from really coming out the big document dump we saw the other day that weirdly enough, does contain the missing minute, which they had said didn't exist, but apparently it does, which is a whole other topic we're going to get into on Friday. But it seemed to be a dump of stuff that was already there before and it seemed to be designed to distract the MAGA base and get them off this topic. Behind the scenes, what are his seeming motivations? Because you would think that as a, you know, Bible believing Christian, he would want to protect young women from predation yeah.
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So, okay, couple of things about these. We give the speaker zero credit, okay? He now wants to be the savior, but no, sir. No, sir, because you're the one that sent us out of the House early in order to avoid a vote being taken or being taken on the floor specifically about the Epstein files. You know, the only reason that we have the Epstein files, the story that don't nobody want to talk about MAGA or nobody else. You know what the real story is? If you dig in, there is only one subcommittee in the entire Congress that is made up of only black people. 1. Do you know which subcommittee just happened to be the committee that outsmarted the speaker and all the House Republicans and was able to make sure that they pushed for a motion before we left and got the daggone subpoenas. Do you know which one it is?
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Please tell me.
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Uh huh, uh huh. The only all black subcommittee that we got in the entire Congress, it was black folk. Again. So this is why I always want to be clear about black people are always doing everything, not just for us, but we always help the greater good. Don't nobody want to talk about that.
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You're saying the Oversight subcommittee. First of all, it is news to me that it is an all black Democratic subcommittee.
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It is.
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And that this on the Democratic side.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Right.
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I do need to clarify that because the committee. No, the subcommittee is. But all the Democrats on that subcommittee are black.
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And so. And that in your subcommittee is the one that actually moved the police down.
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It's not mine. I'm not one of the black ones on there. But no.
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Okay.
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Okay. So it's headed up by Summer Lee.
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Okay.
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You've got Ayanna Pressley, you've got Latifah Simon, and you have Wesley Bell.
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Interesting.
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Those are the four warriors. Okay. That's the untold story that nobody's really talking about. Right. That were able to get this done despite what the speaker was trying to do, which was to avoid this. So, no, I'm not giving any Republican, let alone the speaker, an applause. If anything, I give it to the Republicans on that subcommittee that decided that they would have the courage to vote the right way after it was initiated by the Democrats on that subcommittee, not the Republicans. It was the Democrats. So here it is. You know, again, MAGA is all in on this and they have so many things to say about us as black folk and our competency or lack thereof. And they are always okay with attacking diversity, equity and inclusion. But who was it that went to bat? Who Was it that figured out how to outsmart everybody, us? So I just want to put that out there. Okay? And this is obviously a committee itself, because the rancor was there. That is led by yet another person of color. Right? So here it is. They're the ones. They end up securing it. And this forces Comer's hand. Comer now has to send over the subpoena. Comer sends over the subpoena. The DOJ does a little dog and pony show. Right now the DOJ is way behind on turning over the documents to us for sure, in order to be compliant with the subpoena that was sent over. But in addition to that, they dropped these documents on us probably about three weeks ago, the documents that have now been released. And when they dropped the documents, we made it clear that basically they didn't give us anything new. They gave us stuff that everybody could access anywhere on the Internet, which kind of defeats the purpose. Right? So they're trying to look like they are doing something, but the speaker took what the DOJ sent over, and then that's all that they released. I mean, that's, that's it. And then they did that three weeks after we got it. And again, there really wasn't anything new in those documents. And I want to say that is somewhere between 1 and 3% of the documents that they have. There's still a ton left to get.
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We know that FBI Director Cash Patel and Attorney General Bondi are supposed to come to the Hill to testify. What do you think there is that is being withheld or covered up? Do you feel that this is about the predatory men who were involved in these sex rings? Or do you think there's more to it that also goes into the financial aspects of it? Because there's the les Wexner, there's Mr. Black from Apollo Management. There are so many financial ties and alleged national security ties to Epstein. Do you get the sense just being on the inside, that the part of the coverup is not just about the sexual crimes, but about the financial and maybe some national security implications?
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I said yesterday that this is the RICO of rico's. While everybody was thinking that Diddy was the RICO of rico. This is the real rico. Okay? This is definitely next level. As we know, JP Morgan Chase, they ended up paying out some money because of their role. We obviously already knew that Prince Andrew paid out money because of his role. So that's international. I will tell you that Wexner has consistently said, oh, no, no, no, I, I, you know, I ain't, I ain't know nothing. I wasn't part of none of that.
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But he did when he was alive now.
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Right. But I'll tell you that it was made clear under no uncertain circumstances that he absolutely was directly involved. Directly. To the extent that we heard the story of a survivor who talked about being held at gunpoint at his home on behalf of this. Like this was. Yes. So for sure it is a matter of some of those high powered people that were actually engaged in this. But then there's been talk about not only obviously we know what happened with the prince, but that Israel has been brought into this, Russia has been brought into this, as well as Ukraine, as well as one other.
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Forget who they said. And though the way that some of this was kind of brought about was just talking about there's allegations of fake immigration documentation that was done to get young girls over here. So it's the lawyers that were participating, it's accountants that were cooking books, it's all kinds. Like literally there were conversations about fake corporations that were set up. So lots of shell corporations. I mean, when I tell you this is enterprise on top of enterprise. Absolutely, Rico. And then to be clear, there was a story that really hit me and it's a young woman who has not come forward publicly. But I've been given the latitude to tell the story because I did not want her to be identified through the story. But undoubtedly she wasn't the only one. So when Epstein went down in 2008, he is incarcerated in Florida and he then is on this work release program. Right. While he was on work release, while he then got in trouble for all of this, he was abusing girls. He literally set up a sham corporation. It was called the Science Something Foundation. Science something or another. Right. I don't have my notes in front of me. He sets that up. He then is on work release to that company that he set up and basically he's going in there and he's abusing girls.
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I mean, and first of all, he shouldn't have been on work release. Which is a whole other question. Do you all plan to subpoena Mr. Acosta, who, of course, was an official in the first Trump administration.
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He is coming in. He's coming in maybe in two weeks. I forget the date. It's September something, but he's coming in. I don't think it's next week. I think it's the following week. I want to.
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Just because I wanted to pivot to this, while I still have you, because I feel like there is a link to what Donald Trump is doing to your state, state of Texas. He does seem to be desperate to hold on to Congress because he has control over this Congress and its speaker and the Senate. They don't ever defy him if they can help it. What they've done in Texas, I mean, in your case, they've actually literally moved your House outside of your district. You're in district. You're in District 30, I believe they're moving you into District 33 so that you literally don't live in your district anymore. But they've done even more to Hamilton county, to Harris County. Sorry. To really just tear those districts up. 8 and 8 and 9 and 18. Like flipping them, moving them all around. Do you connect those two dots to say that the reason for control of Congress is not just for Trump to stay in office forever, which we know he wants to do, but to prevent these kinds of truths, the financial, the international, the RICO issues around Epstein from coming out?
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Oh, absolutely. Because obviously we know that he runs this doj, and even if we take the House, there's nothing that we can do to actually get this DOJ to do what it's supposed to do. But some of these things, the statute of limitations, it gets really interesting when you start talking about sex cases and when the statutes start to run and that kind of stuff. And so, you know, knowing that there were things that took place, for sure, I mean, I don't even know the latest. Right. But depending on the statute, they may be able to fishtail into something with the right doj. Right. We saw this happen, obviously, with Bill Cosby, where they were able to kind of do some fancy finagling. And I think that we'd have an opportunity. But at a very minimum, we need to know who it is that can't be trusted. And we also need to be able to evaluate where there are problems within our system and make sure we clean up those loopholes. And that means that a lot of people, I'm sure, they give Trump money. I don't even know. I mean, obviously there's been allegations about him that have kind of circulated out there about him actually engaging in some of this. And obviously he's a little icky when it comes to, like, young people and the things that he says. So definitely will not put it past him. Not to mention, we had him on record somebody grabbing people by the pee and talking about they just let you do it. Like, he's obviously like, yeah, he's definitely a sexual predator. Right. Like, he's already been found liable by a jury.
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Of sexual abuse. So I will say, like, it's not outside the bounds that he participated. But I think in this moment, though, this is about running cover for a lot of people that allowed him to be in position in the first place. Like, the whole point is that I think there's an even bigger link to money and politics and the idea that we don't want to get money out of politics. Right. Like, it is because so long as I got the right puppets in place, then I can be protected. And that was kind of the general theme of, like, these young girls, like, they were like, there's nowhere for you to go. Like, we got people at the highest levels of government. Right? And so I think that that's what it's about. The deep state that MAGA has, like, been freaking out about, like, forever. And I'm just like, oh, you know, because for me, like, my mama been a government employee forever. Mom, like, my mama not no deep state. She just trying to take care of me, okay? So, like, you know, and everybody got an auntie. Everybody Black Elise got an auntie or uncle or somebody that worked for the post office. So, like, for me, it was never like, oh, yeah, there's a deep state. Right? But now I'm like, oh, okay, House of cards may be a real thing, y'. All. You know, like, I'm looking at scandal a whole other way. Right? Because of what I'm hearing about how much, like, the reason that I say this is The RICO of RICO's is because it took so much coordination across not only the country, but internationally. And when you're talking about somebody being incarcerated but then released and still being able to abuse. And like, I'm like, bro, like, that means you've got people within justice, you've got people everywhere. And even right now, I keep telling people I'm not letting up on the fact that Maxwell has been transferred. I'm gonna need some answers on that, like, what happened, right? And whether or not these crypto buy offs that Trump is getting right now from foreign governments is to protect some of Those people, right? Like, I don't know. I don't know. All I got is a lot of questions and I'm gonna need some answers. And we know specifically on the money, because I will tell you that their lawyers have been very clear. Follow the money. Follow the money. Follow the money. We not talking about the dude on the corner. The ones that he's trying to act like are the problems right as he's going into these black run cities or these black cities in general. It's the people that literally got more money than most of us will ever have in our lives.
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Yeah. Representative Jasmine Crockett, always keeping it real. And we appreciate you. Thank you so much. These are some insights and we, I think I have not heard them before. So I appreciate you bringing that here. Thank you, sister. Really appreciate you keep fighting. Please keep a door open and come back if you've got any updates on this and any other cases and including on Texas. Thank you very much.
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I will appreciate you.
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Thank you. All right, y'.
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All.
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So there you have it. First of all, I think the breaking news here is that it was, in fact a black run committee. And big ups to to Summer Lee and Ayanna Pressley and the other members of that committee who apparently were the heroes who got this truth out, who actually caused us to be able to find out who in fact was a part of the cabal that was behind keeping the Epstein files silent and silencing the victims. We are going to stay on that story. It is very, very important. All right, let's move on to our next topic. Now, to be clear, what Donald Trump and his regime are doing to this country, right, goes beyond even just protecting perhaps the largest pedophile ring in this country's history. They are also turning us into a 1930s style autocracy, complete with disappearing people, mass detention, even concentration camps, while also tearing apart the rule of law, forcing landlords to turn over the private records of their tenants to ice, invading schools, invading hospitals, detaining non white migrants in the street, even showing up to immigration court to drag people out while they're trying to, quote, do it the right way. But a hedge fund billionaire named Ray Dalio, who you might actually ask, whose side are you on, Made it even more specific, telling the Financial Times, quote, that gaps in wealth, gaps in values and a collapse in trust are driving more extreme policies in the U.S. he said this. He said, I think that what is happening now politically and socially is analogous to what happened around the world in the 1930-40 period. State intervention in the private sector, such as Trump's decision to take a 10% circle stake in chipmaker intel, was the sort of strong autocratic leadership that sprang out of the desire to take control of the financial and economic situation, said Diallo. His comments to the Financial Times mark a rare criticism of Trump by a prominent financial figure. Despite mounting private alarm at the president's policies among some Wall street investors, he added this I am just describing the cause and effect relationships that are driving what's happening. And by the way, during such times, most people are silent because they are afraid of retaliation if they criticize. Thanks for that billionaire. Thank you for helping us feel the pain of the upper upper class. But for the rest of us, this country is also turning into a mass surveillance society. And this is where the whole Trump is still alive thing actually goes from comical to serious. Because if anything actually did happen to Donald Trump, the presidency would go automatically, per the Constitution, to his Vice President J.D. vance, aka James Donald Bowman, aka James David Hamel, aka J.D. hamel, a man whose nearly every move from the time he left Yale University as an Appalachian DEI admission to the moment he was sworn in as Vice president. With all the contradictions in between calling Trump maybe America's Hitler and calling him a virtual drug to the white working class, to lying about Haitian immigrants in his own home state supposedly eating people's pets and triggering death threats against them, plus a mass exodus from Springfield, Ohio that has decimated their economy, to calling Vice President Kamala Harris the trash and never defending his own Indian American wife from racial slurs by his MAGA base and in fact laughing along while a right wing podcaster basically called his Indian immigrant mother in law the help. That guy. That guy has almost exclusively been the intellectual property of another person, namely South African billionaire PayPal Co founder Peter Thiel, the guy who apparently hates democracy and the fact that women can vote and who is supposedly an atheist but is prepared to give a four part lecture on the Antichrist soon. That guy Peter Thiel has been Vance's mentor, his paymaster, his boss. He literally put up more than $12 million to make Vance a United States Senator. Meaning that putting Vance in the White House is like putting Peter Thiel in the White House. Which should scare the hell out of you. Now Peter Thiel's main endeavor is a company called Palantir. It's a CIA contractor company that's poised to turn the US Into a giant surveillance state. And wait, there is more. There are also apparent ties to Jeffrey Epstein. This is from Reason magazine. Quote after his first arrest for sex crimes, Jeffrey Epstein tried to get a new line of work surveillance. In 2015, he partnered with former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak to invest in a security tech startup called Reporty Homeland Security, now known as Clarebine. Leaked emails show that Epstein was using Barack to seek out opportunities in the surveillance industry and build connections with powerful figures around the globe, including American businessman Peter Thiel, the former director of Israeli signals intelligence, and two people in Russian President Vladimir Putin's circle after he was first caught sexually exploiting teenage girls. Epstein had pleaded guilty while to soliciting prostitution in 2008. He served a little over a year in detention. Meanwhile, he invested his wealth in bizarre projects, including a ranch to breed women with his DNA and efforts to identify a mysterious particle that might trigger the feeling that someone is watching you. According to the New York Times, the leaked emails show that Epstein was also interested in more mundane means of spying on and manipulating people, which overlapped with the technologies governments often pursue. This interest Crossed borders Barack's email inbox was quietly posted by Distributed Denial of Secrets, a white a website widely considered to be a successor to WikiLeaks, on a file sharing platform for verified journalists and researchers in May of this year. The contents came from Handala, a hacker group named for a Palestinian cartoon character that has been leaking files taken from senior Israeli officials for several months. Although the emails were posted without technical metadata or cryptographic signatures that would allow their authenticity to be verified, they include dozens of images, videos, voice recordings, and scanned documents from Barack and his friends and family that have never been published elsewhere. And they include information that was not publicly known at the time of the email leaks, including a reference to Epstein's birthday book, you know, the one that Trump apparently drew a picture in, and a weird poem. The emails, which have not been published elsewhere, paint a picture of Epstein as a man very eager to be at the nexus between private money and public surveillance. While they were hammering out the reportee investment, Epstein invited Ehud Barack to come to a meeting with Peter Thiel, co founder of PayPal and the surveillance contractor Palantir in May 2014. Although Barack couldn't make that meeting, Epstein insisted that Barack spend real time with Peter Thiel and offered to set up a dinner the following month. And what about Palantir itself? Well, you may be shocked to discover that the company's CEO is, wait for it, a black man. True story. His name is Alex Karp. And joining me now to talk more about Palantir and our emergence survey, our emerging surveillance state is Maurice Mitchell, a movement strategist and the national director for the Working Families Party. Maurice, welcome. Thanks for being here.
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It's good to be with you.
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I was a little bit blown away when you actually are the person who hit me. To the fact that Alex Karp, the person who is the head of Palantir, is a black man. My mind is blown. Please tell me about him.
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D
Yeah, I mean, what could I say? So Alex Karp, you know, he grew up in Philadelphia. His mother is an artist that, you know, created some pretty interesting and groundbreaking African American art. His parents were activists involved in the movement, and he currently is one of the wealthiest people of African descent in the world and one of the more powerful people on the planet. Palantir, the mega sort of AI and intelligence and information firm that he leads, has been sucking up everybody's information and using it for all types of nefarious means, including using it so that militaries like Israel's military could. Could use AI and all that information, all that surveillance to kill people. And, you know, there was talk about building a. Essentially a database of everybody's information. If that happens, you know, Alex Karp and Palantir would be building that database, some really creepy things. And, you know, the thing that I find really fascinating as. As a black person that believes in, you know, that often talks about the language of black excellence, right? We need to define what black excellence is, Right. You know, we need to be specific, right? Because here we have somebody who is one of the wealthiest people of African descent, you know, who's on the top billionaires list and is using that wealth to do some very harmful things and is totally in the tank with Donald Trump and the MAGA movement. And if you listen to some of his ideas, these are some pretty far out there ideas that he's been able to mainstream because he has undue power and influence. And of course, right behind him is Peter Thiel, right. Who I imagine if he hadn't met, maybe he would have went down a different road. Right. And this is, I think, a cautionary tale for black parents, right? We want our children to do well. We want them to be successful. We want them to have, you know, raise, you know, to have a good amount of money, take care of themselves. But let's make sure that they are armed with the ethics that kept our people together through all of the eras of our history, which is a sense of community, a sense of responsibility to the. To the greater. The greater good and to the larger community that I think Alex Karp forgot.
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You know, what's what? It's so wild because it reminds me of that part in, what is it, Terminator 2 or 3, where they reveal who the head of the corporation is and it's a black man, you know, the guy who engineered the Terminators and his. And I'm like, wait a minute, why are you making a black guy in charge? And I was like, oh, wait, it is a black guy.
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Here we are.
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Very ironic. Tell me about what are some of his creepy ideas?
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Sure. Well, I mean, number one, he believes in this idea that it's ultra American exceptionalism. Basically, if America did it, it's right. He also, you know, and this is where he aligns with a lot of the, you know, more out and loud white nationalists. He believes in this idea that Western culture is just intrinsically better than other cultures, that America is just intrinsically better than other places. And, and that we should dominate the world. That where we dominate, where our empire rules, it's better for everybody because we are intrinsically better than other people, you know, other, I assume, poorer, browner people, non Western cultures. This is what he's propagating, what he believes and what he says on live mics, anywhere anybody could hear him. And then he. And then the other thing that we should know is that his company has billions and billions of dollars of government contracts. So that ideology is being played out in all types of ways using our tax dollars. Right. You know, him and Peter Thiel, and they believe in a surveillance state. They believe in the idea that this technology, this burgeoning technology, AI should be leveraged in order for a small group of people to dominate everybody else. They believe in this ideology that is shared by Peter Thiel is shared by Elon Musk, you know, kind of like a CEO king. The CEO king should be ruling over everyone else and leveraging their undue power, undue resources and money and the technology in order to do that. They don't believe in democracy, they believe in control. And yeah, yeah, these are pretty far right beliefs. And it's something that again, you know, I saw him On a top 10 list of black billionaires and I'm like, whoa, whoa, slow down.
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Well, Robert Johnson is on that list of billionaires too. And he just gave money to win some Sears or whatever her name is in Virginia that basically wants to put an AR15 in the hands of every child but take all the books out. So, you know, all these billionaires, they're not necessarily like us.
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D
They're not like us. And these billionaires are not loyal.
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And Then these hoes ain't loyal.
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Okay.
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At all.
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But I want to talk specifically about Thiel because this piece that dropped in Reason magazine, you know, really frightened me in a lot of ways. And I was laughing along with everyone else about the, you know, is Trump deceased? Jokes over the weekend. But you know, what I was saying to people is you may be careful what you wish for, because the next, the person who would be in line for the presidency is J.D. vance. And as far as I can tell, J.D. vance is a creature of Curtis Yarvin and Peter Thiel. I don't know what other influences I could think of that have influenced the way he thinks. And I feel like putting Vance in the White House is putting Peter Thiel in the White House. What would that mean? Because what does Peter Thiel believe?
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Oh, Peter Thiel, what a piece of work. And what's really fascinating, I'm glad that we're talking about Peter Thiel. He in some ways, like, you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theories, but I'm like, the biggest conspiracy is the one that's happening in plain sight, right? So Peter Thiel, I mean, he is the main benefactor of J.D. vance. There would not be a J.D. vance if there was not a Peter Thiel. Right? Full stop. So JD Vance is very much Peter Thiel's creation and he is one heartbeat away from becoming president.
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Right.
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And he believes in, he's, he believes in that Yarvin sort of dark enlightenment ideology. And it is it the dark in its name. They've earned the dark in their name. They believe that democracy that, you know, basic human rights that we've basically adopted, that that's a complete fallacy that people like them should rule over people like us. You know, in some ways we hear the conversation. Musk even talks about it how, how anybody that doesn't adopt their ideology are NPCs non player characters. Right. And they, they talk about the idea of things like empathy, human empathy as being a problem of being a human impediment to, to development. And they are interested in this transhumanism. So they're not even about humanity. Right. I mean, this is a really Far Eye philosophy. They, I think, you know, they all live in the same group chat and they've all convinced themselves that this kind of wacky philosophy is much deeper than it is. There's all, there's so many holes in this philosophy. But you know, this is one of the reasons why they're more interested in terraforming Mars and advancing some form of human Colonization on Mars than actually making terraforming the earth and making the Earth livable, right? There's a lot of really wacky ideas, and they're currently developing technology, right? So that some form of consciousness is one of the reasons why they're into AI, can exist outside of human life, right? And so that they could, like, live forever. It is bizarre, right? These are the people that are in the same group chat as Donald Trump. And interestingly, because I know there's a lot of Epstein talk, Epstein was hanging out with Theo. When you realize, like, look, there's about 3,000 billionaires on this planet. There's, you know, under a thousand billionaires that we could call us billionaires. And a lot of them hang out with each other. There's a few dozen of them that are obsessed with this ultra, ultra, right? Very, very peculiar, very extreme ideology that. That flies in the. In the face of all of the values that I think most people. People who are listening would. Would agree on. And, you know, if they were just a bunch of like, random incels in their mom's basement on a group chat, that'd be one thing. They are some of the wealthiest, most powerful people on the planet. They have an heir to some of the wealthiest, more most powerful people, and they have a vice president, and they have a useful idiot as a president. That is, I think, an unsustainable situation for everyday people. And one of the reasons why we need to organize against these folks.
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You know, it's interesting that the people that so few people can stand are the ones who want to be around forever. But then no one will be able.
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To stand you forever. I mean, all that money and still nobody like you, that has no personality.
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Why don't you just buy a personality, Get AI to make you personable? None of them can do that. They're all weirdos and they're just like, well, maybe I'll just be weird forever, and everyone will always be. So I guess my sort of bigger picture question here is to go back before I get to there. The Epstein connection to Peter Thiel is new information. And I think it is quite frightening information because it means that Jeffrey Epstein, when he was still alive and still offending as Representative Crockett, made the very important point. Even when he was supposed to be in jail the whole time that he was alive, he was studying ways to become invincible and able to offend ad infinitum without anyone being able to stop him, including by using surveillance. And all of these people seem to have connections to international actors, to Israel To Great Britain, to our CIA, you know, to South Africa, the former white South Africa. This does feel. I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but do you get the sense that this feels like an international syndicate that is about sexual predation, theft, financial predation, and winding up on Mars? I don't know where it ends.
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Look, like I said before, a few dozen of these folks are in the same, literally in the same group chat, actually, because there's some reporting about how during the pandemic, a bunch of them were on a group chat, you know, circulating these ideas, you know, engaging the same, let's say, recreational habits. Right. And kind of spinning all together. And again, if this was like any other group chat, we wouldn't be talking about it because of the nature of it. It is. It affects all of us. And look, this to me, is the larger problem. This is why we say there are no good billionaires, right? Because when you have, as a class of people, somebody, people who could have this much concentrated wealth, it's hard for this much concentrated wealth not to do harm on the world. Which is why we all need to organize together to have an economic system where even if there are differences in, you know, all types of differences in income, that we don't allow people to have this much almost godlike power. What it leads to is somebody with the predations of an Epstein being able to basically be. Have impunity. Right? The Epstein story is about his predation, but it's also about the corruption that comes with that much wealth. And then when you have that much wealth, you're able to accumulate all of those connections. He could get on the phone and talk to Ehud Barak in Israel. He could pick up the phone and connect with Peter Thiel. He could make these deals. One of the things that I think is so fascinating about the Epstein trial is like Nobody exactly understands 100% how he became so wealthy. Right?
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Right.
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So I think that that's really interesting and probably future reporting would uncover that. But when you are that wealthy, you are hanging around other wealthy people, you are making deals with them, and you are part of a society with them that develops your own social, social mores and norms. And look, there is a sense of, you know, there's that old adage that power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, right? Like, if you can do it, you may do it. And when you have the money and power to do anything and everything, you create the permission structure to do that. The other thing is that when you're self aware of Your money and power. You seek to do things in order to protect it and expand it. And so that's the other thing. They're using their money and the excess money that they have in order to influence our political system. So, like those AI folks, they're building an AI pack, right? They're already talking about how they're going to spend more than $100 million on this PAC in order to influence the political system and our elections next year and what we're going to see and what we're going to see. And this happened with crypto. You saw Republicans and Democrats looking the other way when they had the power to regulate this industry. The same thing is they're going to attempt to do the same thing with AI, which is why these primaries are so important. Because a D next to your name does not, you know, as somebody who leads the Working Families Party, I could tell you a D next to your name does not tell you enough information to know where somebody might stand on crypto, on AI, on apac. Right. And. And I predict that, you know, we had APAC play a considerable role then, eventually we had crypto. Now we're going to see AI play a considerable role in our primaries and in our politics. And Joy, when you have these Democrats up and it's gonna be interesting when you ask them questions about where they stand with this industry and see how they might dodge and dip that question, that'll let you know everything about how this money is affecting our political system.
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Indeed. Maurice Mitchell, I'm gonna have to have you come back. We're gonna have to have a whole Working Families strategy session on this show at some point. Absolutely. Thank you, my brother. I appreciate you. This episode is brought to you by Lifelock.
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Or your money back. Save up to 40% your first year@lifelock.com terms apply. Thank you so much. I mean, if you're not afraid now, y', all, then you're not paying attention. Okay? All right. I want to update you on a story that we've been following on this channel. Now, you will recall that Amazon labor activist Christian Smalls was detained along with 18 fellow activists aboard the Gaza aid flotilla Handela as they were attempting to deliver food to the starving people in Gaza in July. The Honda was boarded by Israeli forces on July 24, and the group was detained and taken to the port of Rafah. When they reached the shore, Smalls said he was attacked by IDF soldiers, kneed in the back, beaten and choked with the chains that were used to restrain him. He says he was jailed for five days along with six other people, and that his cell was raided twice. Prisoners were stripped of their clothes on one occasion and deprived of water. Well, now Smalls is looking to take legal action, and he joins me now. Christopher Christian Smalls, thank you for being here.
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C
Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me back.
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A
Absolutely. So tell me about what your plan is regarding trying to hold the government of Israel accountable for what they did to you and the 19 other activists.
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C
Yeah, I mean, as people know, this is going to be a challenge coming from the US with the Trump administration. The State Department has been very complicit. Even more so. They've been silent even since I've been returned, along with the six other Americans. We haven't heard anything from them. We haven't heard anything from certain Congress people and of course, the US Embassy, especially the one in Tel Aviv. We didn't expect to hear back from them either. So as far as the legal grounds, I have very little grounds, if any. The only action I can do is escalate within the Labor Department, within the State. The State Department, I'm sorry, not the Labor Department, the State Department, but also with the United nations, which is an avenue that I'm exploring now. I'm reaching out to certain human act human rights activists and human rights lawyers and trying to put together a strong case. I've been in touch with a lot of people who was previously, previously on delegations that experienced similar, or if not even worse conditions that I have. And hopefully, collectively we can put together a strong case to take actions against Israel.
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And now, are you heartened by the fact that South Africa did this? I mean, they did it as a country, they did it as a nation state, and they did take Israel to the icj, the International Court of Justice, and, and actually won. I mean, there was a ruling that there was a plausible case that genocide was happening. This was a year before we knew about the starvation of the people in Gaza. So there has been success. Ireland was very supportive of them. Lots of Europeans were supportive. Are you trying to create that kind of a case where you would draw in international support and take a formal case to the International Criminal Court or the International Court of Justice?
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C
Yes. Absolutely. I already filed a formal complaint on their website with the icc. And because we were on international waters, we do fall under the United nations jurisdiction to some degree, especially because we sailed under a British flag. I have some other avenues that I'm exploring with the UK as well. And the same thing, I'm a US citizen. There's not much sovereignty when it comes to Israel. Obviously, Israel has a lot of power here in the US and their sovereignty is like no other. They have no accountability for the things that they are committing, the war crimes that they are committing every day. So I'm going to try to do everything and explore every avenue I can, whether it's through the un, through the icj, through a bunch of different countries, people that was involved from different countries, whatever I can use to create this ammunition against them. And, you know, lastly, the main. The main culprit is the U.S. state Department. I received some of the recordings from people who were calling while we were kidnapped. And I was appalled and shocked to hear the responses from the people that was picking up the phones. They were very nonchalant about our kidnapping. They were very misleading. Lying in some cases about information that was given to my relatives, given to people that was supporting, and even hanging up the phones like, that's our tax dollars that's going towards these services that's supposed to protect civilians abroad. And they're hanging up the phones on people. On the other hand, they're telling people, we got to keep the lines open to help people. So this is something that needs to be addressed. And I'm going to once again use my platform, use my voice, and also use the collective power of the people in the community to try to get some ramifications for things that happen.
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A
Just to confirm, just a couple of things. You never heard from Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, or the Secretary of State's office at all, you or the other. I believe it was four Americans in total. Do you know if any of you have had any communication from the State Department?
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C
No, absolutely not. Yeah, there was actually. Actually there was seven Americans, 1/3 of the crew out of the 21 of us, 1/3 of us, seven of us were Americans and we haven't heard anything. I've been in talks with everybody since we returned home. We had a couple of meetings. I saw some people in person this past weekend and yeah, none of us have heard anything or, yeah, received any type of support from our Congress or anything like that.
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And what state do you live in? Christian?
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C
I'm in New Jersey.
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A
And so you've not heard from the Governor of New Jersey or either of your senators.
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C
No, I mean Cory Booker, unfortunately he's been, he's been approached about it. There's been videos online of activists, people that supporting the cause. They have approached them publicly and it's been brushed off like water under the bridge to them. And that's disheartening knowing that once again I've, I've in past I've done some virtual events with these folks and they definitely praise me for the work that I've done against Amazon. It's really disheartening that not only has he haven't said anything or said much, but all of these other progressive Democrats, The Bernie's, the AOCs, none of them have said anything. It's ironic that they showed up to the airport for Mahmoud weeks prior, but they wouldn't show up at the airport for me doesn't make any sense. And we have to make it make sense.
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And we're going to reach out to Senator Andy Kim, Senator Cory Booker's office because I am curious to know why they have not. You've not heard from them or your member of and obviously the State Department. We welcome dogs on the show. The dogs are always welcome. Mine isn't here, so she can't bark with yours. But that is disappointing. And do you. And to just to be clear, you've been a public activist for quite a long time. As you said with the Amazon situation. Obviously you were a hero to a lot of progressive Democrats who love the fact that you were standing up to that big corporation. So it's not as if you're unknown to your member of Congress and your senators, right?
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C
No, absolutely not. I mean, unless you was living under a rock, there's no way you haven't heard about some of the work that I've done. But more importantly, this Honda Mission was uber viral. We took over the Internet. We were trending definitely during the week of captivity and everybody was talking about it. There's no way.
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Not on mainstream media they weren't. I will note that it was very much on social media and on independent media. I didn't see much of it at all on mainstream media, which was very disappointing.
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C
Yeah, regardless. Regardless of the mainstream media, which we expected them not to do much. Regardless of that, these people follow me. They directly follow me, their staffers follow me, their staffers, their managers, their campaign managers, they all had direct access. If not, they have my cell phone number. I am very accessible. Despite being a public figure for a number of years, they know exactly how to get in contact with me whenever they need something from me. I knew how to pick up the phone. I knew how to answer an email. There's no way they didn't hear about it or they didn't know about it. So they are choosing to be silent. And that's the problem.
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And I will note, just for that, note, that we found you, but I literally went into DMs on Instagram to track you down. And you were very responsive to myself and my team in doing that. My exit question to you, Christian, is what do you want out of the case? What would you like to be if you could get a case going, if the ICJ will take your case or the ICC takes your case, what do you want the outcome to be?
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C
Accountability. I don't really expect much justice. I'm a black man from the US So I don't expect that much justice. But I do expect for us to keep awareness alive, keep the people of Palestine who are going through worse conditions the focus. And yeah, there's another flotilla mission that's taking place right now. These people are facing greater harm, especially the fact that they announced that they're going to be charged as terrorists and they're going to a different prison. We can't be retroactive. We have to be proactive. So I'm just trying to do the best that I can to keep all eyes on the people that's involved in this movement, but especially the Palestinians, and anything that I can do to be a thorn in Israel's side. Count me in. Sign me up every time.
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A
My last question to you, sir, is this news that the Trump administration is talking with Israel about essentially leveling the rest of what has not yet been leveled in Gaza and turning it into a, quote, riviera, a private development that would be developed by members of the president's feet family, among others. Your thoughts?
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C
It'll never happen. They won't see that in their lifetime. They don't understand what resistance is. The people of Palestine would rather die on that land before giving it up. And we can't allow that. The world is watching. The people are with Palestine. We already won the public opinion battle. Trump and them will croak in their grave before seeing that. And it will never happen. They need to give that up. And we as the people, as the people of the world, we can't allow it to happen. This is a tragedy that's happened with the war crimes that we're witnessing in live stream. And the resistance will never die. It only gets stronger. The people of Palestine aren't going anywhere. The people of Gaza aren't going anywhere. And we can't allow them to be erased from history. We must stand up with them.
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A
Christian Smalls, thank you very much. You have an open door if there are any developments in your case, especially if you do get into that International Court of Justice or the icc, we would love to have you back. Thank you so much.
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C
Thank you.
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A
Thank you. All right, y', all, there you have it. It is a fight that is ongoing. We always appreciate Christian for coming on this show to tell us the updates and we will definitely keep you posted. And that is it for this episode of the Joy Reid Show. Be sure to hit that like and subscribe subscribe button to keep this independent media coming your way. And also hit the notification bell so that you will always know when we go live. Also, want to welcome all of our new followers. We have cracked 200. Let me just check it. 260,000 subscribers. That is a pretty exciting feat. We're very excited about it. Thank you to all of our new subs. Love y'. All. Appreciate you guys. And we'll see you on the next like and subscribe. Don't forget and share. Like and subscribe. And we will see you on the next enjoyment show. Bye. Bye. Let me dig a little deeper with.
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C
The shovel Plenty can't tell the forest from the trees that I'm hard to detect Like a black hole in the dark Injustice anywhere it's a threat to justice everywhere Let me make this clear.
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I got a bone to pick and I'll never fear the threat of poverty.
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C
They don't want to talk about it.
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They rap a party so I'm a.
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Real talk about it for show.