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Joy Reid
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Jackie Reed
To the last minute.
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Joy Reid
Like a designer perfume for that friend who never RSVP'd wishlist topping toys for her kids who came too.
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Jackie Reed
Belgian chocolates for the neighbor.
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Joy Reid
A cozy scarf for your boss and a wool jacket for your husband that you definitely did not. Almost forget. Marshalls, we get the deals, you get the good stuff. Even at the last minute, the find a Marshall's near you, Okay? Hey Tjif, everybody. Welcome to the Joy Reed Show. I was just looking at someone in the comments that said news sucks. Joy rocks. That's Leanna Taylor. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Thank you all for tuning in. Hope everybody is having a really great Friday. We are on the brink of the weekend. It's the freaking weekend. We're so excited about it. We got a lot going on tonight. The Fox crash out over Jingle Bells. We're going to talk about that on tonight. We're going to have a read this, read that crossover with one Jackie Reed that's going to join us in our next hour. Excited about that. We got to talk about this Diddy doc, y'. All. We have so much to talk about with that. We have so much to talk about. But I want to first of all thank everybody that's listening on YouTube, on Substack, wherever you listen to your podcast. We appreciate all the readers. Also want to remind you guys that if you are a member, we will be having a members only chat, one hour of me answering all your questions and kikiing with you guys, exclusively for members only. That starts immediately after this program at 8pm Eastern. So that's happening tonight. We've got a actual special little bonus for all of our members that join in that chat. So if you want to stay for the afterparty, because, you know, after the show, it's afterparty, baby. So if y' all want to join in the afterparty and you're a member, you guys can be involved in that as well. And that is both on the substack side and on the YouTube side. So got to get that in as well. There is a ton going on right now. We are also going to talk in this hour about the the efforts in Illinois to shut down some of this horror over what they're doing when it comes to immigration. But be before I get to that, oh, don't forget by the way, to like subscribe and share. Make sure you hit that like button. The algorithm loves it. We want to, you know, Help us out with the algorithm. This is independent media, guys. And as y' all said, media sucks. Joy's great. Joy rocks. If y' all want to get us to where we need to be in terms of the algorithm, hit that like button. Hit that subscribe, subscribe button. Also, share this, Share it with a friend, share it with a foe just to piss them off. I mean, why not, right? Like the crash out people on the maga side. Sometimes we just do things just to annoy them. It tis the season. But I want to show you guys something that's actually pretty spectacular, right? It's something pretty magnificent, in my opinion. So the Trump regime, as we've been reporting all week, is attempting to criminalize all dissent. If you are not pro maga, they're putting you on a list. They're demanding that states hand over their voter rolls so that they can peruse them trying to track immigrants. They're doing things like stopping people as they come in and out of the country, arresting people or looking through their phones. They want to see multiple years of your phone data if you want to visit the country. I don't know how the World cup is going to work with that, but they are in a full on ethnic cleansing like frenzy and trying to force the country to be this sort of 1950s, all white, traditional white, Christian, conservative, you know, hellscape for everybody else. But that is their goal and they're doing it through real like terrorism and horror. But they're claiming that it's the side that's pro immigration that are the terrorists. It's the side that is for the poor that are the terrorists. It's any nonprofit that is in favor of diversity, equity and inclusion or in favor of women's rights or in favor of helping poor people. Those are the terrorists. And they've grouped all that together and claimed that that is antifa. And we all know that antifa is just a short form of the word anti fascist. So what they're basically saying is don't call us fascists, but if you're anti fascists, we consider you to be the terrorists. And so there was a moment that I have to point you guys to that happened in Congress. This is the reason that you have to actually vote, right? Because your members of Congress, they maybe can't stop a lot of what Trump is doing, but they do get to ask questions on our behalf. And in this case, Congressman Bennie Thompson, who was the head of the January 6th Commission, remember, he was the chair, he was the co chair with Liz Cheney. He is spectacular. And sometimes you forget how great he is until he operates because he's so low key. But I want you guys to watch Congressman Bennie Thompson questioning the man who in the regime is supposed to be in charge of the FBI's counterterrorism effort to stop this amorphous thing called Antifa. And I want you all to watch as Benny Thompson asks him really the only question that matters. And that's a one. Jason, play it whenever you're ready.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Executive order. Domestic.
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Joy Reid
Oh, I don't hear it. When you look at the data right now, you look at. Can we rewind it? There we go. Terrorist organization, Antifa, that's our primary concern right now.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
All right. That's what President Trump did. What does the FBI say?
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Joy Reid
We share the same view. When you look at the data right now, you look at the domestic terrorist threat that we're facing right now. What I see from my position is that's the most immediate violent threat that we are facing on the domestic side.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
So where is the Antifa headquarters?
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Joy Reid
What we're doing right now with the.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Organization, where in the United States does Antifa exist? If it's a terrorist organization and you've identified it as number one, we are building out the infrastructure right now. So what does that mean? I'm just, we trying to get the information. You say Antifa is a terrorist organization. Tell us as a committee, how did you come to that? Where do they exist? How many members do they have in the United States as of right now?
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Joy Reid
Well, that's very fluid. It's ongoing. For us to understand that the same, no different than Al Qaeda and isis.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
No, no, I don't want you. I'll ask one question, sir. I just want you to tell us if you said Antifa is the number one domestic terrorist organization operating in the United States. I just need to know where they are, how many people. I don't want a name, I don't want anything like that. Just how many people have you identified with the FBI that Antifa is made of? Well, the investigations are active. So you wouldn't come to this committee and say something you can't prove. I know, I know you wouldn't do that, but you did.
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Joy Reid
Is Antifa in the room with you right now? Do you see Antifa in the closet, under the bed, under the carpet? The man who was humiliating and be clowning himself in that hearing is the FBI's National Security Branch operations director, Michael Glashin. Michael Glashin, who could not answer, really the only question, where is Antifa? Headquartered. If this is the number one domestic security threat, they've said it's not Nazis, it's not neo Nazis, it's not the proud boys, the Oath keepers, the Boogaloo boys who literally kill police officers. No, no, no, it's not, it's not, it's antifa. This is the biggest threat. The FBI has focused all its resources. They said, forget the neo Nazis, it's antifa. But they can't tell you where antifa is, you know, testing the situation. Oh, so apparently they're just inventing antifa and just saying anything they don't like is antifa. Uhhuh. So what you're now seeing is that the administration, the regime's storyline is starting to fall apart under the pressure of having to actually answer for the things that they've claimed. Right? They've claimed that there are 30 million people who were let out of insane asylums that are all serial killers that were led into the border by Joe Biden. And Donald Trump is now extracting them and getting rid of them and removing them. And he's fighting the criminal element that poured over our border by the tens of millions, 10, 20, 30 million people who came into the country who are all hardcore criminals, except when they're actually deporting people. It's like the nice lady who sells arepas on the corner or some nice construction worker or somebody whose only crime is that they had like a speeding ticket 20 years ago. They're grabbing anybody, brown or black, they can get their hands on, who to them looks like an undocumented immigrant. Their term illegals, which of course is just the N word for brown people. So what's now happening is that the reality of what they're doing is starting to crash, not just against the facts that the media cannot avoid. This is now in local news everywhere. These, these, these instances of them doing something other than getting rid of these hardened criminals, it's actually now crashing up against maga. Maga's own base are starting to have to confront the consequences of what they themselves voted for when the waves hit their little ships of sea, right? Their little ships at sea are being bombed like the ones we're bombing in Venezuela in our so called war. I want you all to listen to another hearing. This is yet another hearing that happened on Capitol Hill. This is again why we vote, because we want to hear these questions and answers, even if right now you can't stop it. We need to know the info. So this is a hearing in which a man who is a Trump voter, who's a military veteran and whose wife has been in the country for decades. Yet she, this Trump voter's wife, this military veteran Trump voter's wife was kidnapped by ICE after he himself voted for Trump. This is a 2. This is him explaining why he voted for Trump.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Voted for President Trump.
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Joy Reid
Yes, sir.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Why did you vote for him?
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Joy Reid
Because I was an idiot. 8% of the evangelical Christian people were lied to, if you really want to know the truth.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
And that's exactly what happened. They said criminal, you know, and I.
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Joy Reid
Believe criminals need to be off the street.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
I just want to make sure people watching this understand who you are.
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Joy Reid
My wife and I, when we don't work, we're ministers. We help the needy. That's what we do. So I, I want to note that this man says they're ministers. They're ministers. They are evangelical, I'm assuming Christian ministers, he and his wife, who's now deported. But I thought that if you're a Christian minister, you're supposed to do what Jesus said, which is to care for the immigrant and the poor. And the immigrant is like a big part of that, right? That is. Yes. Indicator. Georgia as Rotunda Nelson is saying. So that's weird because I thought y' all were supposed to care about the poor. But you voted for mass deportation on purpose because you wanted the criminals removed from the country, because you believed it when Trump said that all of these migrants who came into the country over the border during the Biden administration were all criminals. So you kind of went against your own faith tradition in your vote, and now it's biting you back. A fafo moment for him, but let me play you another hearing. This is yet another hearing. This is a hearing in which a, a number of American citizens are called in to testify to Congress because citizens are being deported. This is not just undocumented people who are being grabbed and in some cases are being sent out of the country or demanded that they self deport and or even just detain for sometimes days, sometimes weeks. It's also citizens. Here's another hearing, and this is a three. We're going to play that one.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
This is actually a tweet by the.
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Khalil Green
Department of Homeland Security, and it says, stop fear mongering. ICE does not arrest or deport U.S. citizens. If a U.S. citizen is arrested, it is because they have obstructed or assaulted law enforcement.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
ICE does not arrest or deport U.S. citizens.
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Khalil Green
I just want to ask briefly each of the five US citizens that are here, is this tweet a lie?
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Mr. Mr. Redes, is this tweet a lie?
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Khalil Green
100% it's a lie. Ms. Figueroa, do you agree just to tweet a lie?
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Jackie Reed
That's a damn lie and they know it.
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Khalil Green
Mr. Sevarria, is this tweet a truth or a lie?
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Joy Reid
It's a lie.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Mr. Ramirez.
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Khalil Green
Mr. Ramirez, is this tweet true or a lie? It's a lie, Mr. Ms. Velez, thank you.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Now, every one of our, every US.
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Khalil Green
Citizen here agree that this tweet by Homeland Security is a lie, and Secretary.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Noem should be ashamed.
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Khalil Green
She should resign. She should not be running any agency.
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Joy Reid
Of the United States of America. I agree with that because she doesn't even, based on her own testimony in previous hearings, know what habeas corpus is. She. She doesn't know the basics of the law. And so Kristi Noem, the aforementioned, has been also crashing out because she can't seem to answer questions. I'm going to come back to that. But before I come back to Kristi Noemi, I want you all to listen to a young man named Mobashir. He only wanted to give his first name. His arrest and detention was caught on tape, like so many of them are. But he has then come forward and told his own story of what has happened to him. So here is Momashir, and I cut in the video of what actually happened to him. You'll recognize the video. But here he was doing a press conference in which he, along with the mayor of the city, I think, of Minneapolis, was speaking with him. But let's listen to Mobashir telling his own story.
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Mobashir
It's about three now, Bishir and I never expected to be standing in front of all these cameras and microphones, but what happened to me cannot stay quiet. What happened to me was unjust, uncalled for. I was simply on my lunch break. I literally went downstairs from my building. I wasn't even outside for mere seconds before I seen a masked person running at me full speed. He tackled me, pushed me inside the restaurant, as you can see in the video. I told him, I'm a US Citizen. What is going on? He didn't seem to care. He dragged me outside through the snow while I was handcuffed, restrained, helpless. And he pushed me to the ground and. And he put me in a chokehold. And he asked me, we have to verify if you're a US Citizen because I believe you're an illegal citizen, because you ran for me. But as you can see in the videos that will be released, I'm simply just standing still. I asked him, okay. He said, let me take a picture of you to scan your face to see if you're a U.S. citizen. I declined because I want a picture, prove I'm a US Citizen. I told him I had my passport. It's in my phone. Can I open and show you? He declined. I told him, can I give you my name, my date of birth? He declined. So he took me on the other side of Cedar, and they kept me there for 45 minutes, just asking, we have to stain your face. We have to stain your face. After about a whole hour, they said, okay, we can do your fingerprints on our phones. And the fingerprints are not working. So I guess they waited on 20 more minutes, and they said, we're taking you into Bishop Henry. All the way in Bloomington. While they were driving me all the way there, they were wasting time. They kept going back in the same highway. I told them, are you guys lost? But they said, yeah, this is our first time taking someone in. And I told. They had the maps out and everything, and they were trying to intimidate me. So after I arrived at the facility, they parked up. The gate was closed, and they made me step outside in the snow while it was snowing. And they said, we have to stay in your face, or we're not gonna let you inside the car. So I had no choice. I let them stare in my face. I was so cold. I guess the face thing. I guess it didn't work. So they finally took me inside the facility. They kept me there for another 20, 20, 30 minutes. At that time, I asked for water. They declined my water. And I also asked for medical assistance. My hands were numb and my back was hurting because he pushed me down and he put his whole body weight. They told me, we don't have any medical staff at the facility. Some lady listened. I told her, yo, can you turn on my phone? I have my passport card. And she finally let me use my phone. I showed her, and she said, okay, we still have to do your fingerprints. I did my fingerprints, and they finally let me go. I asked them, can you take me back to where you picked me up from? They said, no, you have to walk in the snow. Like they were being serious. I asked three times. They said, no, you're walking. And, yeah, all I did was step outside as a Somali American. And I just got chased by a masked person. He didn't identify himself. He didn't say, ice, stop. I felt like I was getting assaulted. I was getting kidnapped, and that's exactly what it was. And the way they were treated me, it was inhumane. They dragged me across the road, they slammed me to the ground, choked me. That was uncalled for. There's also more videos. Someone came out, they had a copy of my passport. And I told the agent he has my passport copy. And he said, we don't care, we're still taking you in. And they kept me for two hours. And if this is what's happening to a US American citizen on camera, imagine what could happen to your loved ones when there's no one around to witness what they're doing. But thankfully my incident was caught on cameras. It was posted all over social media. This shouldn't be happening to anyone. We shouldn't feel target to special Somalis, man. That's not right.
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Joy Reid
20 year old Mobachir, a 20 year old US citizen. And note the things that this regime is doing that don't really feel like a free country. Face scanning people demanding ID of anyone that they think looks like an immigrant. This is giving apartheid right? This is how apartheid South Africa worked. And anyone who's rooting for this, just admit you're a fascist. Because this is fascist behavior. And if you're in favor of it, if you think this is okay, then just admit that you're a fascist and that you're okay with fascism. Just be honest about it because that's what this absolutely looks like to me. Let's get a couple of additional videos. So it's not even stopping in the United States. CNN reporting. And this is a five. A veteran was tackled and arrested in Japan. This is an American civilian, former Marine, his name is Kareem L. Tackled and detained by US Military police in Okanawa, Japan for refusing to provide identification on the street. Like the South Africa has traveled overseas. Here's that video. What the.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Yo, what are you doing?
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Joy Reid
I told you not to touch. Get the off. Yo, what the are you guys doing, man? You have no right to touch. No, no. You have no right to touch me right now.
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Jackie Reed
Get the video, bro.
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Joy Reid
Yo, what this guy doing? Touch me. Like that's crazy, right? So the military has admitted that that was a mistake. We don't know what the outcome is going to be. He ended up being released because there's no reason for them to detain him. There was literally no reason for them to detain that man. They just detained him because he's walking down the street and they demanded his id. Let's go to our next video. This is Kristi Noem, who actually did sit for a while for questioning during hearings this week. And this is Congressman Dan Goldman of New York questioning Kristi Noem. This is A six.
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Khalil Green
Secretary Noem, let's talk about the law. Do you agree that asylum is a lawful pathway to immigrate to this country? Yes or no?
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Joy Reid
There's an asylum program. Yes. In place.
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Khalil Green
All right, so immigrants, then, with ongoing asylum applications are legally in this country. Correct?
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Joy Reid
Excuse me? I'm sorry.
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Khalil Green
Your question was immigrants with ongoing asylum applications are legally in this country.
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Joy Reid
There are individuals in this country that have applications that.
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Khalil Green
And they are legally here because it's a lawful pathway.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Right?
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Joy Reid
It's a lawful pathway.
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Khalil Green
Okay, so if your department then deports anyone with an ongoing asylum application, you are violating the law. Correct?
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Jackie Reed
Joe Biden left us with.
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Khalil Green
I'm not asking about Joe Biden. I'm asking you a specific question. If your department deports anyone with an ongoing asylum application, you are violating the law. Is that correct?
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Joy Reid
It was greatly violated when they allowed.
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Khalil Green
I'm asking you people to come.
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Joy Reid
I'm asking. Asylum applicant.
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Khalil Green
Why are you filibustering? Why can't you answer the question? It's a simple question.
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Joy Reid
Your president.
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Khalil Green
If your department, Your secretary, deports anyone with an ongoing asylum application, you are violating the law. Isn't that correct?
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Joy Reid
The asylum program was broken under the.
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Khalil Green
Mr. Chairman, I will reclaim my time. She's not answering the question. And. But the obvious answer is that, yes, if you follow a lawful pathway. Asylum is a lawful pathway. If you have an open asylum case, you are here lawfully. But the problem that we are seeing around the country is that you are not following the law. Don't tell us to change the law. If you don't like the asylum system.
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Joy Reid
You change the asylum law. Bring it to us.
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Khalil Green
We'll work with you. I think it needs to be changed. But you can't just decide that. That you're not going to follow the law and asylum is a law. And deport people who have ongoing applications. Unfortunately, that is exactly what's happening.
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Joy Reid
So she doesn't understand the law. She doesn't actually know the law, and she can't follow it because she doesn't even know what it is. In a previous hearing a couple of weeks ago, she was asked what habeas corpus is. And. And she had no idea. This is the woman in charge of the Department of Homeland Security. It makes no sense at all. And she didn't even stick around for more hearings. She ended her day of hearings early. And this is like an amazing piece of video. She exits the hearings and emerges with a human Baby shield. Here's the next video. As a political tool while taking babies away from the babies. You cannot use a baby as a tool while you take away the rights of family. How dare you. How dare you. How dare you. Okay, we can leave it there.
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Jackie Reed
She's got a baby.
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Joy Reid
I want to know whose baby. I really just want to know whose baby that is. And the last thing before we do a quick advertisement. Donald Trump is making it. He is making immigration pay, though, despite the fact that he's trying to keep people out. And Kristi Noem and the whole gang are doing everything they can to, to prevent anybody brown or anybody who isn't white from coming into the country. One of the things that he is doing is he is making immigration pay for Donald Trump. Here he is announcing how people can actually come into the country and potentially avoid being kidnapped by ice. All he have to do is pay a million dollars, man, and get that Trump Gold Card. This is a, a little description of.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
The Trump Gold Card, please.
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Joy Reid
Sure.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
So for an individual, it's $1 million, and for a corporation, it's $2 million. And as the president said, for a corporation, they spent $2 million, they can then have an employee full vetting, the best vetting the government has ever done, $15,000 vetting to make sure these people absolutely qualify to be in America. Absolutely qualify.
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Joy Reid
So you can pay $1 to $2 million and buy your way into legal immigration status. My question is, if you come in, are they going to put, like, some sort of a, like, patch on you so that ICE knows to avoid you? I mean, what if, like a Saudi buys it? Aren't they brown? How will they know that the brown person paid the million or the 2 million? How will they know? I mean, how are they going to know who's here to watch the World cup and who's a tourist? They're also charging people additional money for your visa if you want to visit the country and making you turn over five years of social media records to come in. So they're making it so that tourists won't want to come here. They're making it almost impossible. But, you know, if you pay 1 to 2 million, you know, you can come in. This is the part where I want to announce to you all that, look, if this is raising your blood pressure, I, I, I, I, I agree with you. I join you. My blood pressure all up because of this. But luckily, this show, the Joy Reach show, is brought to you by 120Life, which is a great solution for high blood pressure. Half of all U. S. Adults suffer from high blood pressure. It is one of the leading killers of people in this country and I'm sure it's getting even higher given all of the news cycle. So 120 life, which is a great tasting, really delicious drink. I love drinking it for breakfast. Jason and I have made it part of our routine because it tastes great and it actually helps to lower your blood pressure. It's got a lot of great natural ingredients. Health experts love it. They love the idea of it because it's something you can do that's natural, that also will help you with your health. You can just grab yourself a blood pressure monitor, check it every couple of weeks and make sure that it's doing what it needs to do. If you don't believe that it's doing what it needs to do, if it's not doing what it's supposed to do, you can actually send it back because they are giving you a hundred percent refund guarantee. If you don't love it right now, you can get 20% off 120Life by going to 120Life.com use the code joy or the code read at checkout to get your 20 off and it's a no brainer because it's a love it or send it back guarantee. So that's it. Go to 120life.com, use joy or read at checkout and get you 20% off. Check it out and if you don't love it, you can send it back. Love that. So I want to introduce our next guest because there are people in some of these states that are trying to do something about the lawlessness that we're seeing out of the Department of Homeland Security. A very Germanic title, if I do say so. And let me play for you, Governor Pritzker of Illinois announcing a new law that is going to make it easier to protect the citizens that and the people of Illinois. And here it is. B1.
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Khalil Green
Over the past few months, the Chicago region has been subjected to a relentless campaign of cruelty and intimidation and abuse at the hands of ICE and border patrol agents under the command of President Trump and condoned by the Republican Congress.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Our people have been forced to live in fear.
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Khalil Green
Everyday activities like dropping off the kids.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
At school, going to the park with your family, going to the doctor, showing.
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Khalil Green
Up at your job has meant risking.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Your safety and your livelihood.
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Khalil Green
Fear and intimidation have been visited upon.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Us by fellow Americans.
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Khalil Green
It's unconstitutional. It's not the Illinois or the America that I know. Our nation is better than this. Standing Here today with friends and neighbors, small business people, advocates, community activists, partners.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
In government, and the General Assembly.
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Khalil Green
I'm here today to sign into law.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
An expansion of legal protections for the people of Illinois.
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Khalil Green
Together, we're sending a message to Donald Trump, to Kristi Noem, to Gregory Bevino and anyone else seeking to terrorize our people. Your divisiveness and your brutality are not welcome here.
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Joy Reid
And joining me now is State Representative Graciela Guzman of the great state state of Illinois. And she has been fighting. She was one of the people standing behind the governor in, in terms of that law and has fought for the past of that law. Representative Guzman, thank you so much for being here.
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State Representative Graciela Guzman
Thank you so much for having me, Joy.
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Joy Reid
So talk about how this law will limit ICE's activities in the state of Illinois.
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State Representative Graciela Guzman
Thank you. So there's five pieces to the law, and I think I really want to give a shout out to our Illinois Latino Legislative Caucus. We run that, both the House and the Senate, where I'm a member. And we have been hard at work on this much of the summer, much of the fall, in partnership with the governor's office and our leadership. And basically what it does is establish some guiding principles in terms of ensuring that some of the most vital services that are offered out in our community, being able to go to your court, to be able to continue due process monitoring on your case, everything that's essential, that folks aren't being indiscriminately targeted there, as we have seen all across the country around that our daycare centers, we unfortunately witnessed ICE staking out outside of daycare centers to intimidate not just workforce, but also parents and folks within the daycare center. So it also offers guidance to our daycare centers in terms of what should happen should ICE unfortunately encounter their front steps. Additionally, I think I may have said this to you last time I was here with you, Joy. ICE has been in our hospitals, not just in the state of Illinois, but all throughout the country. And so what we heard from our hospitals loud and clear was a new need for some clear guidelines around what should occur should ICE come through the doors. Because often what occurs is they bring in a patient that they have brutalized, that they have broken limbs on, that they have harmed, and then want to tell the hospital that they cannot provide care, that they cannot provide care in that person's language. They put up all kinds of stipulations. So the bill also seeks to provide guidance around the kinds of planning that our hospital institutions should do. And the last one, higher education, is Especially important, we had a student detained in central part of our state. And what we wanted to be able to limit was the willful sharing of student and employee information to ice. And so that also offers stipulations around that. And I think the piece that is a cornerstone and I think in really ensuring that one, the harms that are being caused by ICE are harms that they are numerated, that they are things that our folks should be seeking relief for, is that it seeks a pathway for folks to be able to bring those harms. And there are levels of egregiousness. So if a person is harmed and the ICE agent or the federal agent or the person that harms them is masked, if they use rubber bullets, if they use tear gas, if they conduct other kinds of harm as conducted in the bill, then that person is also available to be able to seek different kinds of relief in the bill. And I think it speaks to the pains in our community that deserve to be enumerated, that deserve the visibility and. And also what we have heard from our community, that we deserve to be able to live with dignity, to be able to seek the services that we need. And this is a step forward for us, acknowledging that we know that ice, in all of its sinister ways, as facilitated by the Trump administration, by Kristi Noem, by all of these folks that seek to weaponize our communities against us. We know we're gonna have to continue crafting legislation. So we expect that this will be work, that we continue with the next legislative session in 2026.
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Joy Reid
And Senator Guzman, is there anything in the bill that addresses the idea of masks? Because we've heard particularly Latino women are being victimized by people pretending to be ice, throwing on a mask, throwing on something they buy off Amazon.com where they try to dress up as ice, and they're just straight up kidnapping people. Is there something to address? Like, how would people even know if the person grabbing them is really a federal official?
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State Representative Graciela Guzman
In the present House bill, which was. Which was labeled, by the way, safety, action, liberation, together, salt, because salt melt ice, right? That is the bill that we have here. Unfortunately, we don't have a component around identification, around demasking. That is a concept, though, that is actively on the table and that I do believe will return for us in the state of Illinois in 2026. And we do have a colleague in our. In our legislature that I want to give a shout out to. Representative Barbara Hernandez, who has been doing work around the emergence of folks being able to buy, you know, this kind of Gear, to your point, on Amazon and other electronic sites to be able to confuse the public and do really heinous things. So we expect more work in this space next year.
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Joy Reid
We know that in, you know, states like New York, ICE has been showing up to immigration hearings, meaning they claim, you know, and the trolls, even the trolls who popped into this chat tried to make it sound as if the people being kidnapped on the streets and deported, they did it the, quote, unquote, wrong way. But if, as we heard, Congressman Goldman questioning Kristi Noem, if you've got a hearing, that means you're doing it the right way. And yet ICE is showing up at those hearings, the judges are quickly dismissing, and then people are being literally arrested at their hearings, at their, at their immigration hearings. Is there anything that the Illinois legislature can do about that?
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State Representative Graciela Guzman
I think that is a growing conversation that actually extends to, I think, the partnership with our legal community. Right. Unfortunately, we have been seeing this kind of indiscriminate targeting of this population. It is particularly weak minded. Think about it. This is somebody who has stuck to the letter of the law. They have a case, they are following suit with the recommendations afforded by that judge, and then they are detained as they're trying to do the right thing. I think we're still exploring all of our options and nothing specific to speak to yet, but it is something certainly that we are hearing from all of our neighbors, especially asylum seekers and other folks with mixed immigration statuses that are unfortunately being subject to this kind of discriminatory behavior. On behalf of the Trump administration, your.
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Joy Reid
Governor, Governor Pritzker has talked about the fact that he is one of the many governors who have had the Trump regime demand all voter rolls in the state and really specific personal data and information about Illinois residents so that they can comb through them thinking that they can find people to deport. I'm assuming they're just going to probably say anyone with a Z at the end of their name is out of here. Right. What can be done about that? Because has the governor, I'm assuming he's refusing to give that information over. Right.
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State Representative Graciela Guzman
I think this is where we're seeing the full strength of our attorney general in partnership with our governor. They have absolutely 10ft down on the ground said, hell, no, you're not getting access to our data. We have earlier in the year will remind us. Right. That the Trump administration took Medicaid information to try to gleam who was documented, who was undocumented in an effort to try to do this kind of dirty work. And so, well before then, our state, in partnership with, I believe, at least 15 states, had explored a joint suit to ensure that these kinds of data sharings were found and barred. So we're continuing that work. We're also looking at state action that would also preemptively look at some of the spaces that the Trump administration has been seeking to do in their administrative work with our state.
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Joy Reid
Do you know any follow ups on the apartment complex? I don't even know if it's in your district. District where ICE rappelled onto the roof, dragged even children out in their night clothes, some people not wearing clothes, into the street and threw them into the backs of trucks and took people. Oh, we got you back. Yeah. Do you have. Oh, you're back. Okay. Do you have any updates on any of those cases?
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State Representative Graciela Guzman
Yeah. So we do know that many, many families, predominantly Venezuelans, were taken in this heinous raid in the middle of the night. We unfortunately have found, because there is, you know, this, this relationship between a slum lord, literally, of a landlord that had perpetuated her heinous living conditions, not just for those immigrants, but for also many black Chicagoans that found, you know, affordable housing within it. So I, I say that, to say that this is a layered saga right now. Much of that property is condemned as a result of the visibility that was rendered that day, folks.
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Joy Reid
Wait, are you saying that the landlord called ICE on their own? Because they were making. They were basically operating as a slumlord.
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State Representative Graciela Guzman
So what we learned actually as a part of this raid in particular, is that there had been all kinds of community concerns related to this property. Everything from heating to water to all kinds of things. And so the actual origin of the call is still being investigated. But I think more specifically, I think just to say that the monstrosity of this raid has been impacted the tenants. We are now dealing in a situation where unfortunately, the entire apartment building may be condemned and closed. And in part due to the actions and the damages that were caused in that day, we have heard from many of the residents that have been left behind. There's significant mental health issues and PTSD related to how that response was committed to that day. And unfortunately, given the makeup of that community, many of those families members did their unit, their entire family unit all resided within one apartment. And the entire unit was taken together and certain. So in terms of the self advocacy of family, it's been very, very limited, as you can imagine, because everyone that they knew was taken together. So we're still working on a lot of the case management. It's not my Senate district, but it is in a senate in a sister senate district where State Senator Robert Peters has been doing a lot of work on the ground to try to ensure sure that those residents and also the folks that were taken, you know, are able to receive justice and the services that they need.
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Joy Reid
State Senator Gracia Guzman, thank you so much. Please come back and give us any additional updates as they occur. Will do.
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State Representative Graciela Guzman
Thank you, Joy.
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Joy Reid
Thank you very much. So there you have it. And I think we need to follow up more about that slumlord because this is the thing, right? If you don't want to provide the services that you're required acquired as a landlord, what an interesting tack to maybe, maybe throw the people who live in your building under the bus. And we hope that that's not what happened. But it wouldn't shock me if that's what did indeed occur. I mean, we're literally sort of living in this moment where we are experiencing what apartheid looked like in South Africa. And you know, Adelita Grijalva, who was on our show earlier, the lady who waited 50 days to be seated in her Arizona seat, she described it as ethnic cleansing. I don't see how to argue against that because it definitely feels like an attempt at ethnic cleansing or simply just terrorizing communities of color, thinking that it will frighten them into self deporting, thinking that it will terrify and terrorize people into leaving. Because they're trying to shift the numbers. They're trying to shift the total number of Latinos downward, the total number of non white immigrants downward because of this demographic panic over the fact that Latinos are now the second largest ethnic group in the country and that their numbers are growing as the numbers of white Americans are declining. And this fear, right, the use of the word remigration, as Nubian Queen 6,391 has said in the chat, that is a fascistic term. A fascistic term that is now being commonly used by the government of the United States, the federal government, using the term re migration, which is a fascist term, attempting to try to reduce the numbers of brown and black immigrants in the country and even brown and black citizens. You note I played you sound of Kristi Noem, not able to answer the question why American citizens, U.S. citizens, including people like Mobashir are also being detained and why people are having demands for their ID made in these streets in the United States. That is apartheid. The only other places where I can think of in the modern world where your ID is demanded in the street is the west bank, the occupied west bank in Palestine, where you are told you have to show ID to walk or to ride in certain communities. And that has been deemed as apartheid by the International Court of Justice. We are now running an apartheid style system that the Supreme Court has affirmed is legal. It's as if they've gone back to Dred Scott and said that if you are brown or you have an accent, you have no rights that ICE is bound to respect. You can be detained. Right? And of course, it's Rapey Kavanaugh, that is the one who wrote that decision. Because of course he ought to be detained for what he was alleged to have done to his high school friend. But he wasn't. He got away with it. $700,000 of his debt vanished to disappear. But he's got the privilege to say, but no, those brown people and those black people, based on how they look, yeah, you can detain them. And they've also legitimized the idea that mask agents can detain you without showing a warrant. I seem to recall that next year we're going to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. And that one of the bill of particulars against the Crown and one of the reasons the vaunted founders wanted to leave the British Crown and be independent was that British soldiers could quarter in your home without any warrant. You could be arrested and jailed without warrant and without any judicial process. We're now doing that. The very thing that we supposedly separated from Britain for. We're just doing it at random. In the United States, it's a common occurrence now for people to be detained and. Or for people to enter your home, enter people's domicile where you're supposed to, that's supposed to be your castle. And if they don't have a warrant and they're not showing you not just anyone, but a judicial warrant, what if they do that in a stand your ground state and somebody's busting into your home, you don't know who they are, they're wearing masks, they look like robbers. They busted to your home armed. What are you supposed to do? How are you supposed to react? And in a stand your ground state, if you react by taking out your firearm, are you going to wind up dead? We've had ICE agents shoot at people. You've had people hit by ICE vehicles. You've had. You've had ICE throw people to the ground. You've had them manhandle people in the street. If someone bust into your home, are you going to wind up like Breonna.
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Jackie Reed
Taylor.
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Joy Reid
Because her boyfriend reacted to somebody busting into their apartment by taking out his firearm and then he got arrested. So, so, so how do these laws come up against each other? The Supreme Court has effectively said that these masked agents with showing no badges, showing no warrants, can simply detain and kidnap anyone they want for, they said, a brief period. What is brief? People are being detained for 24 hours, 48 hours, two weeks, a month. What is brief? They've not adjudicated that to, I think, the satisfaction of most people who care about liberty and freedom. And this is supposed to be the Freedom and Liberty Party. This is the Second Amendment party. Do you have Second Amendment rights? If somebody randomly comes up to you in the street, demands to see your ID and then attempts to drag you off and throw you in their van, can you react in a stand your ground state the way that one might naturally react when you feel you're being kidnapped? What if Mobashare had said, I think I'm being kidnapped? No, none of these people have shown me a warrant. I don't have to show you my id. Don't I have rights? Where's the fourth Amendment? Where's the fifteenth Amendment? I mean, where's the fifth Amendment? Where are the rights of these people who are being stopped? And this includes American citizens. And Kristi Noem cannot answer why it is that US citizens are having people demand their ID in the street like it's apartheid, 1980, South Africa, and then are being literally thrown into the back of vans and detained, literally based on the color of their skin. And I really got to wonder, I was just going through the cities where the World cup is going to be. It's going to be in Florida, it's going to be in Massachusetts, Texas, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Kansas City, Missouri has some g has some matches. There's some in Vancouver, British Columbia. There's some in Mexico, there's some in Atlanta. Atlanta's got some of these matches. Foxborough, Massachusetts has some matches. Washington State, Texas has matches Houston, Arlington, Philly, Englewood, California. There's some, of course, in Toronto, but in the US Cities, you know who loves the World cup, right? The international audience for the World cup is heavily Latin and African. And a lot of the star players on even the European teams are African. The star players on the French team are African. They're Senegalese, they're Africans. And so you're going to have a lot of accented brown and black people who are the bulk of the players in the World cup brown and black players are going to be pouring into U. S. Cities in 2026. Is ICE going to be tackling these people because they've got an accent and they look like you? You see where I'm going with this? And we're already blocking tourists from coming to the United States, charging these elevated fees, taking away the ability to even visit our national parks for free. Unless you do it on Trump's birthday. On Trump's birthday, you get him for free or you have to pay 1 to 2 million dollars for the golden trump card to get in. So basically, is this going to be a world cup where all of the people in the stands are Saudi royals who've got a couple million dollars to come in? Donald Trump. If, if I didn't know any better, I would go back to all of those people who said that Donald Trump was turned in the 1980s by the Russians and that he really is attempting to destroy the United States, that he might really be a Russian plant whose goal is to wreck the United States. He's wrecked the economy, his tariffs are destroying people's livelihoods. He's ruined trade, the ranchers, the b. He's now claiming they're going to give him 12 million, $12 billion in relief out of their own money. It's a Ponzi scheme. They're going to take their own money, they've paid in tariffs and give it back to them as relief checks, which is not going to give them back their markets. If I didn't know any better, I would think he was trying to destroy the United States, as somebody in the chat has said. What about the Olympics? Thank you very much, Marcus. For Marcus, I believe that is. Yeah. What about the Olympics? That's going to be people from all over the world as well, coming from Asia. So you're going to have Asian people, you're going to have African people, you're going to have Latinos, you're going to have black and brown and all kinds of people coming from all over the world? Are they going to get tackled by ice? How does the United States succeed economically if we're effectively saying the only visitors we want here are multi millionaires and billionaires who can pay? I'm assuming Trump gets a cut of the, of the, of the right or just white Europeans. You have to be a white European just to visit and even, even to visit and even you can't get into the national parks for free on King day. What's happening here? Very interested to see how this works. And also the blue State governors who have matches in their states, how do they manage the tourism side of it, where they want the tourism and the ice side of it, where Trump's regime and Stephen Miller is maniacally attempting to rid this country of black and brown people. It's like a mania. It's like they've, they've got like Nazi mania and they are on an ethnic cleansing binge. It's like they're binge eating. How is that going to work? And I have to wonder if they've thought about it. And again, if I didn't know any better, if I didn't know any better, I would think, you know what, maybe Trump really is trying to destroy the United States. Maybe the Russians have figured out the key to wrecking America is to put a man in charge of the country that actually hates America, that hates the United States, that hates the diversity of the United States, that hates the inscription on the Statue of Liberty, that hates the idea of a multicultural democracy and will destroy it and surround himself with people like Stephen Miller, who despises the idea of non white immigration, people like Tom Homan, who, who claims to be a Catholic but is eager to deport as many people as he can. They, they luxuriate in mass deportation, but also in the abuse of it. They don't just want to deport, they want to abuse, they want to hurt people. And when you even see the trolls that pop in when we do a show like this, they, they're not even happy to just sit home and doom. Scroll through X Twitter to watch all the brown people get hurt. They need to like, revel in it and come over and troll people to tell you how much they love it. There's a, there's a viciousness to it. You can see their fangs as they just luxuriate in the cruelty of it. They don't just want the numbers because they're actually not getting necessarily higher numbers, but they're actually taking the video of what they're doing and turning it into almost pornographic video that they're posting on Twitter. And they're loving it. They're re, they're reveling in it, right? It's what they want. It's what they enjoy. It's so interesting, right? It's entertainments for his base. Donald Trump has been out doing all of these. He's out there doing rallies again, which is what he, what you do when you know that you're losing, right? His, his, the, the, the numbers on the economy are, he's in the 30s, even on the approval on, approval on the economy, which used to be his strong point. It's a lot of people voted for him thinking he made the economy better. His numbers are like in the 30s and he's now out on rallies. And what he's doing to get his base back on side is foaming at the mouth about people from Somalia, getting them to hoot and foam at the mouth and bear their fangs about African immigrants. That is how he keeps them entertained. And then the other way, of course. And there it is, right in the chat, right on time. Overthrowing Maduro and stealing Venezuela's resources. We're already being pirates, taking an oil tanker, a Venezuelan oil tanker. And when the guy from Fox asked Trump well, is this now not about drugs, is this now about oil? Trump went into his whole, you know, dementia speech about they're sending the people from the insane asylums. No, they're not. They're just sending brown people who were trying to escape from Maduro. That's who came over here. So what we're seeing is this simultaneous, like sort of frantic theft. Donald Trump Jr getting a 600 some odd million dollar loan for some new business he's starting. They're just gupping money from the Saudis and from the Qataris. They're just selling America, selling it for parts to the, the Middle Eastern dictators, trying to grab all of the natural resources from places like Nigeria and then covering it up with this lie about them caring about Christians who are being killed and persecuted. They don't give a damn about that. They care about trying to snatch the oil from there, snatch the oil from Venezuela, guap up all of the natural resources from Ukraine while his base is being entertained with what definitely gotta feel like clan rallies. The cruelty is the point. Because the point is to entertain the base with cruelties while they themselves are suffering economically. They themselves are suffering economically. Someone's asking what happened to the emoluments clause. Apparently it's all optional. Who knew that the President of the United States could simply ignore things like the emoluments clause and do whatever he wants if he so desires. Maybe some Democrats should have done that. One wonders what would have happened if a Democratic president had decided that they too could simply ignore the Constitution and treat it all as just suggestions. Because the Supreme Court has effectively said the President is a king, that the President is really no different from King George, from mad King George iii, that there's really no difference, that the President can do anything he wants. They said he could do bribery. Donald Trump has a gold Card with his name on it that you can buy for $2 million to get your immigration taken care of. Check. He's his friends are charging people millions of dollars to get a pardon or, and then they get the pardon once they pay his friends. God knows if he's getting a piece of that. He's a mobster, so maybe they're cutting him a check on the side. Check. So all the things are happening, all the criming, and according to the Supreme Court, Donald Trump can do it. When you're a president, they let you do it. He can do whatever he wants, but not everyone can get to do whatever they want. We're going to talk in our next hour. We're going to do a crossover. We're not going to do it yet. In just a moment. I, I, we're gonna have a lot of fun in our next hour because we're gonna do a crossover with my sore cousin sister friend Jackie Reed. But before I get to that, Fox dude is mad at me again. They're mad at me again. They're always mad at me. Can I just play Fox crashing out over Jingle Bells D1.
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Jackie Reed
That being said, I think what Joy Reid is doing here, it's like viewing things through the lens of the 1619 project type mentality, right, of using the sins of the past to condemn modern day future. And you know, look, America has a history of racism in the past, but we've evolved of a society and we've gotten better. And what this historian looks at is, okay, yes, the writer of this song did in fact was a confederate simplified sympathizer. There we go. And the Boston historian found that, I guess the earliest documented performance was by a white minstrel group in the 1850s. So there's some kernel of truth there. But just like, you know, this sort of distorted worldview of Joy Reid throughout the time, no one views it as a racist song. And even this historian mentions that the song inherently itself is not a racist tune. And so she's sort of trying to slander people who enjoy this song today of ties to something that is non existent and that is not relatable anymore.
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Joy Reid
Look, I think history is important. That makes sense, obviously. Yes, it does. But Lisa, to make that happen for Joy Reid and the rest of people who are just dying for more fantasy in their lives is to erase a part of our history. We're allowed to go forward from history. National anthem, all these things. I sing it at games. In my history as a news anchor, I've been black the entire time. All the while people were saying it was one thing or another because we are allowed as people in America, all over the planet, to go forward. Charles, was this new or had you heard it?
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Congressman Dan Goldman
This I had not heard. But I do think it's time to give her a new name. Joy Reid. Yeah, kill Joy Reid.
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Joy Reid
Yes. Sucking the joy right out of it for us.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Charles, by the way, this is what liberals do. The first time I can remember it happening to me back in the days, have these, like, Tupperware parties and women's parties, whatever. Everyone would come to the house. So my mom was having something, I was doing my homework, and white liberal woman comes in, and she looks at me and I'm reading about the presidency. She goes through it. Have you noticed something? I'm like, no, there are no black people there. And so that was the first time it hit me. And here's the deal. Here's the real deal. This is much deeper than just someone trying to shame folks for singing a Christmas song. Liberals main goal is to make black people feel like crap all the time. To make black people feel like an empty husk of anger and frustration that no one likes you, but we do. And it's so sad because they aim it at black, young black people. This is a beautiful song. It brings about beautiful memories. It's something we all love and cherish and to even touch it is stupid. But there's a greater, greater effort here. They have always done this. They don't like you. These people don't like you. They never liked you. We've got your back. No, you don't have our back. All you ever do is try to make us feel like crap. Try to make us feel little. And it's a damn shame. It's abominable.
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Joy Reid
Trying to make us feel little. Try to make us feel like crap. It's probably because for little. And everybody's asking me, I'm sorry, I don't know their names. I don't know. I don't. I don't know the name of that guy. I find it so interesting that the first lady, and I apologize for not knowing who she is, she acknowledges that the facts are true, but she's like, talking about it is wrong. The other things that they do that they did in this crash out on Fox is they talked about what I did. They. They made this into, you know, Harris Faulkner, right? Is a black lady. Yes, I. I know who she is. I mean, the other. The other people. The guy, somebody, if you know his name, put, please put it in there. But I Think what's so interesting is I live so rent free in their heads that they targeted me by name for something that at the time, I only reposted to my stories. So, number one, they're trolling my stories on Instagram. That is the only place that I had posted it at first. I've now posted it on my main account because I was like, oh, if you're crying, I need you to cry more. You see, because your. Your tears taste like champagne to me. Your tears are champagne to me, which I drink in my Joy Reid cup. The only thing I was offended by were two things. Number one, it wasn't even in my account. It was on my stories. That's number one. It is in my main account now. Number two, it's not even my post. The post that is literally breaking these people's brains is by a brilliant young historian named Khalil Green. They're attributing his genius, which I didn't know, the story of Jingle Bells and its minstrelsy origins, and the fact that the writer, as the white lady on Fox, whatever her name is, said, really was a confederacy. Like, I didn't know any of that until Khalil Green, this young historian who does a lot of incredible exposition of history on his Instagram and tick tock accounts, that is the guy who did it. It wasn't me. So I'm like, you could have at least given that brother credit for his work. You all are trying to put that on me because I live rent free in your head and you are so obsessed with me that you couldn't even give that brother his credit. And also, you could have at least mentioned the Joy Reid show. At least get me some more subscribers and likes if you're gonna attack me. And joining me now, joining me now is the person who actually did the post. I believe he's here, young Khalil Green. There he is. Who actually did the Khalil. First of all, first of all, welcome to my world. The Fox crash out is like part of my. It's part of my lifestyle. So you in it now, brother?
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Khalil Green
Yeah, I was actually honored. I was actually honored when I saw them post. I was like, I. I finally made. I put. Mom, I made it. I saw you posted on your story. It's a. It's a. I mean, it's a badge of honor for sure.
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Joy Reid
It's really incredible. What, what do you make of the fact that in criticizing, first of all, you, Congratulations to you. I. And I think I might have DM you this or said I love it when a post teaches me something that I didn't know. I love people who bring me because I consider myself to be pretty well read on history. And, you know, I didn't know that about Jingle Bells and you. And I saw that on your post. I was like, this is amazing. I put it in my stories because of it. Talk to me about how you learned this narrative and why you thought it was so important to share it.
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Khalil Green
Yeah, I actually didn't learn it like, that. Long ago was maybe two weeks ago. I was at an event with Governor Maura Healey. She invited some Boston creators to the State House for a lighting. I met this guy from Boston, and he was a reporter that had gone to the. Part of the area, Medford, where they have the plaque that honors Jingle Bells. And he was like, I remember seeing that plaque. I remember seeing that had like, some. Some like, really nice narrative around it, but that that wasn't true, and he wanted me to look into it. So I went, I did my research, something that Fox News can learn from, and I found that it was absolutely true that they had whitewashed the history and that its real history was in minstrel scene. It was first performed at a minstrel show here in Boston.
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Joy Reid
And you were able to absorb that information? How old do you remind me of how old you are?
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Khalil Green
I'm 25 right now.
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Joy Reid
You're 25. Did that destroy your ability to enjoy the Christmas holidays knowing that information?
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Khalil Green
Absolutely not. I mean, one Jingle Bells is not even my favorite Christmas song. Obviously, it's Mariah Carey. So, I mean, it's like, not. It's not like I have to take anything off my playlist. But even then, like, if someone played Jingle Bells or if I heard it, I wouldn't feel offended. I'm not crashing out because of it. They spun this weird narrative that learning this information all of a sudden turns all black people into, like, depressed wrecks just from understanding this history. And it's just not true whatsoever. Someone commented, they said learning all of these terrible things doesn't make them feel bad. It makes them feel pride knowing that their ancestors overcame so much racism in all aspects of society and they still ended up being powerful, like, joyful people here in America.
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Joy Reid
Well, yeah, and there's a couple of things about the narrative, and I wish somebody in the. In the chat would tell me who the heavyset brother is on Fox. I'm sorry, I don't know him. His name. But his whole whiny narrative that somehow knowing information is designed to make black people Feel little. First of all, you fool, when someone gives a history who is black, who happens to be a black person, they're not giving that history only for other black people to hear. So Khalil Green saying the history of Jingle Bells has. Has a narrative that includes racism and pro Confederate sympathies, and that is not directed just at black people. Because Khalil is black. Let me just give y' all that information. And the same thing to what's her name. They assume that if we're black, whenever we speak, we're only speaking to other black people. No, this history is for everyone to understand and absorb. Whether you're black or not, it is part of the history of this country. Country. And if you can't handle it, then the problem is your maturity. The problem is your own sense of self worth. The problem is your own. Your patriotism is so thin that it requires America to be perfect. It requires America to be completely above reproach in every moment of its history from 1619 on. There can't be any bad news or your patriotism falls apart. And for the brother who said it's designed to make black people feel small. Fool. Khalil wasn't just talking to black people.
- [68:38]
Khalil Green
Yeah, his name was Charles Payne, by the way, so.
- [68:41]
Joy Reid
Oh, got it.
- [68:42]
Khalil Green
Yeah. Shout out to him. Unlike. Unlike them how they never named me. I'll give. I'll share their names, but Charles Payne is the one who said that. And I mean, yeah, there's a few points, I think. One, though, I really just want to, like, put out there as. The important point is that they completely straw man both you and the video. They said that we claim that you can't play Jingle Bells, that it's. But the lyrics are racist right now that, like, nobody should ever play it. They really made up a whole argument because they knew that they couldn't address any of the actual facts. And the facts are that the guy who wrote it was racist. He fought for the Confederacy. He has other songs calling black people n words and darkies. And that's just a fact that the author of the article that all researchers can agree on. And the reason that they had to make up something to attack is because they had no grounds for any of their arguments. It was actually, like, embarrassing to watch them try to find things to attack. Like, they had to. They had to really just, like, search far and wide. And I mean, to your point, it's for a wide audience. I make my videos mostly actually for teenagers. That's who I have in mind. Teenagers who are just coming into the world understanding racism. And the reason why, to go back to your earlier question like this story is really important for me, is because sometimes when you're learning about race and history, it can be very boring. When it's some detail or some fact that way out there that feels not relevant to your life whatsoever. But when you find a way for people to come into a history lesson based on something that they already know, something as famous as the song Jingle Bells, then it makes everything feel a lot more real. So I can teach people about minstrel shows. I can teach people about the Civil War, I can teach people about even JP Morgan as a bank because it was the, the, the nephew of the guy who wrote Jingle Bells was J.P. morgan. All of these history lessons open up through this content and for no one at Fox to know that it just shows how anti intellectual and how like non curious they are. And I think it's quite embarrassing.
- [70:38]
Joy Reid
It is. It's because every year they do the War on Christmas, bro. And they just needed some. They were waiting for a trigger. They were just like one of these blacks is going to give us the trigger so we can do our War on Christmas. Wait till they find out about the third stanza of the national anthem and wait till somebody lets them know that Jesus wasn't even born on the 25th. And then that's a pagan holiday that got appropriated with the tree and everything. Don't let me tell you about the Bible verse that says you should not erect a tree of tinsel. Y' all don't even want to know about the truth about Christmas because that's not Jesus birthday. But we won't even crash them out even more. Khalil Green, tell them where we can get your sub stack because you wrote a great piece on it. Thank you for adding me because I feel like once we've begun to troll, we need to go all the way way. So thank you for adding me on your substack post. Where can we find you? Absolutely.
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Khalil Green
Thank you. So my short form is at my name Khalil Green and if you want full length articles with all my facts, all my research, all my primary sources and secondary sources listed out, go to my substack at history can't hide.substack.com history can't hide. There's no apostrophe.substack.com and you'll find a full length article both on both on the history of Jingle Bells and my response to Fox News.
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Joy Reid
I absolutely love it. History can't hide it can't even hide from Fox. Khalil Green come back often. Thank you very much. I appreciate you. A very quick turnaround to get you on, so thank you very much, man. Thank you. All right, y', all, we love it. Look, if. If they're gonna. If they're gonna be crying, I'm like, whale, if you're gonna cry, you need to cry. And Whale, I want you to scream and cry. Fox, y' all put his name again. What's the name again? Payne. Charles Charles Payne. Ain't nobody trying to make you feel little, you know? Nobody trying to make you feel little. I didn't even make any sense. All right, let's go on and move on to the next to the next story we had. We had to fit that in on today. So we are going to. Now, in just a moment, we're going to do a really great bringing together of my two podcasts because, of course, my other podcast, which I absolutely love is Read this. Read that with one Jackie Reed. But to. But to set that up before we bring Jackie on, I have to play you guys the teaser to this diddy doc. Let me know in the chat if y' all are watching this diddy doc, because, listen, listen, it's a lot. Jason, if you could just play that little teaser of the diddy doc, please. Oh, oh, hold on a second. Let me tell you what number it is. Let me tell you what number it is. It is the D5. D5. D5.
- [73:05]
Mobashir
Jesus walking on water, you know what I'm saying?
- [73:08]
Congressman Dan Goldman
Or Jesus having a breakthrough, you know what I'm saying? Because I can only compare myself to the son of God. You feel me?
- [73:18]
Joy Reid
Joining me now? I do believe she is. There is. Is. Is Jackie Reed in the house? Yes. There she is. What's up?
- [73:27]
Jackie Reed
What's up? Cousin sister Sorrow friend.
- [73:30]
Joy Reid
Listen, cousin sister Sora friend, I had to get you to come on tonight because, look, shaking you shake. First of all, I would love to let you have it out before we get into Diddy. I don't know if you have thoughts on the Fox crash out over Jingle Bells. Apparently they tried to attribute Khalil Gray's post to me to say I did the Jingle Bells. I literally just reposted the brother on my stories, and they were like, she's trying to take away Jingle Bells.
- [73:55]
Jackie Reed
You can't even sing Jingle Bells no more.
- [73:57]
Joy Reid
It's not like it's an R. Kelly song. I didn't say y' all can play jingle, but play it if you want to. I don't Care. I love that.
- [74:03]
Jackie Reed
That young man was like, now I made it my look. Joy Ann Reed is. Is reposting my stuff, and Fox News is talking about me through her. This convinces me. I'm convinced that Fox. I don't call them. I don't put the news word with that. I don't even Fox Place because they are not news. That they have a war room dedicated to you every. Every. Because you're not on Twitter anymore, but every Instagram post, tick tock, sub stack, every show, they have a team dedicated, they are paying people to watch. And everything that you put out post say they are obsessed with you.
- [74:48]
State Representative Graciela Guzman
It's almost.
- [74:50]
Jackie Reed
It's almost flattering. I mean, they really love you. And it's a little stalkerish, a little bit.
- [74:56]
Joy Reid
They. Yeah, it's giving a little stalker. And the thing that's so interesting, I mean, again, in order for them to have known that I reposted Khalil's post, they had to go with my stories, Jackie, because it wasn't even originally on my main page on Instagram. It was in my stories. So I'm like, y', all. Or do you guys just take my stories every morning to see if you can find it? If they used to do this on my. With Twitter, when I was on Twitter, I would tweet something, and it would be a whole a block on Tuckham's show. So t write a whole. I'm like, y' all are obsessed with me. You're a fan.
- [75:29]
Jackie Reed
They why you so obsessed with me, girl?
- [75:32]
Joy Reid
You're a fan.
- [75:33]
Jackie Reed
You're a fan.
- [75:34]
Joy Reid
You're a fan. You're a fan. You're a fan. You're a fan.
- [75:37]
Jackie Reed
They are fans. You should send them little gifts, little Christmas cards. Hey, boo.
- [75:41]
Joy Reid
I should. I should send them a little. A little sleigh that play a little sleigh with a little black Santa that sings Jingle Bells. A little. I should do a little slave, but black Santa. Oh, I just had them up, girl. I'm telling you, they don't even want to understand that Jesus was born in the spring and that that holiday was just the Catholic Church being like, hey, pagans, you want to join the Catholic Church? They're like, no, what if we let you do your saturnalia on the 25th and we say that's Jesus's birthday? They're like, okay, Like, y' all don't. Look, the Bible says don't have no tree with tinsel.
- [76:16]
Jackie Reed
But I'm just gonna say a Christmas card with black Santa, Black Jesus. Both doing this Girl, Black Santa with the fist in the air and black Jesus, girl, send that to him.
- [76:29]
Joy Reid
I need to. And then Charles, what's his name? He gonna be saying, you trying to make me feel little? I'm like, first of all, I've never heard anybody say make me feel little instead of make me feel small. I've never heard anybody say they try to make you feel little. Like, like what is that about make you feel little? Little what? Make you feel like little what? Charles Spade.
- [76:46]
Jackie Reed
I wonder where in that building the Joy Ann Reed war room is and what kind of snacks are they serving because they must be locking people in there. You don't come out unless you have something.
- [76:59]
Joy Reid
Find me a post, turn around and put on air but at all. Let's talk about this R. Kelly docket documentary.
- [77:07]
Jackie Reed
No Diddy girl. Diddy. The, the other one.
- [77:10]
Joy Reid
Oh, oh, sorry, the other one. Look, I get my, I get my, my, my perverted brothers messed up the Diddler. Have you completed the do?
- [77:19]
Jackie Reed
First of all, yes, I have. I know we talked earlier today. I did watch all four episodes and oh boy. Yeah, I watched it.
- [77:26]
Joy Reid
Initial thoughts.
- [77:29]
Jackie Reed
Here's what I think. Two things. I have two initial thoughts. First, Curtis 50 Cent Jackson is trying to make sure that Diddy who you know may be out in four years, two months, right?
- [77:46]
Joy Reid
Unless pardoned by Trump tomorrow.
- [77:48]
Jackie Reed
I was gonna say unless Trump pardons him. I believe this is, you know, I don't know, 50. I don't know what's in his head. I think he is trying to make sure that when Diddy gets out he is never going to eat again. Nor were his children be able to eat off of their father's money because he is going to spend it all on lawyers fees. Because not every pending case against Diddy that we learned about and I didn't even know about half of them. These pending cases for a, A, a bevy of things. You know, I mean he just poured gasoline on all of those, those, those cases and then more are going to come out of the woodworks. And then the other thing is, listen, if you are going to be a gun toting, woman abusing, freak off baby oil, having.
- [78:43]
Joy Reid
All the baby oil kind.
- [78:44]
Jackie Reed
Of person, just be a stand up business person and pay people, baby, pay.
- [78:50]
Joy Reid
Your people, pay people, pay your people. And for those of you in the chat who may not understand this, the way this documentary happened is that Puffy was so sure and I still call him Puffy. Puffy was so sure that he was going to beat this case. He had a videographer following him all around, including while he basically moved into the Park Hyatt Hotel in New York. And he was literally day and night having it. While he's talking to his lawyer, while he's strategizing, while he's riding his bike through the city, he's got potential witnesses talking to potential witnesses, phone calls with potential witnesses. He's documenting everything. And then when the videographers who got 140 hours with the footage sent him the bill, he pulled a Trump. I, I've always called Trump the, the Puffy of politics because they're really the same person. They don't like to pay people. They have that in common. They're both megalomaniacs. They're both, you know, weird with women, predatory behavior. They're the same guy, right? He decides, like Trump, I'm not paying you. And so when, just for you guys's information, if a videographer. We have a production company, Jason and me, we have a production company. If we shoot footage that you hire us to shoot, you don't pay the bill. Guess who owns the footage? We do. So the, the production company owns the footage when you don't pay them. And so that footage went to the highest bidder. And who was the highest bidder? Finney.
- [80:20]
Jackie Reed
Well, let me, let, Let me throw this in here because Diddy's lawyers have filed a cease and desist against Netflix based on this extra footage. Now, wait, let. Girl, let me pull it up.
- [80:33]
Joy Reid
Pull it up.
- [80:34]
Jackie Reed
There are statements, because here's what happened. Apparently the videographer that has been following diddy around since 2019, by, by, by, by the way, he says that the footage that they have with was the footage that they took when he had, he had to take some days off. And there was a substitute videographer st. Who stood in for him.
- [80:55]
Joy Reid
Okay.
- [80:56]
Jackie Reed
That's the footage that they have. So let me, Let me just. So here's what the videographer said. This incident had nothing to do with any fee dispute or contract issue. The actions of the parties involved reflect the lack of integrity every story storyteller should uphold. The taking footage intended for our project to advance a narrative that was not our own is both unethical and unacceptable. That's from the videographer who's been following him all along. He's just saying somebody stood in for him for these days. And here's what Netflix had to say in response to that. Netflix said, the footage came to us. We obtained the footage legally and have the necessary rights.
- [81:40]
Joy Reid
So. And they got, and they have all the money. Remember, Netflix is about to eat Warner Brothers. They have so much money. It's wild that they started out as the thing where you used to drop a box off and get. Get a movie, the DVDs and then you would pick it up later. That's what they started out as. They like broke Blockbuster Video and then they just became a monster that's eating Warner Brothers. But I mean, the reality is I trust that they have legal this out. I'm sure this went through many layers of legal before they put this documentary out. So I'm sure they are quite lawyered up.
- [82:13]
Jackie Reed
I would be surprised if that Cease and desist went anywhere because they filed it like December 2nd and it's already been seen. It ain't gonna happen.
- [82:21]
Joy Reid
But here's the thing.
- [82:23]
Jackie Reed
Somebody in the comments said something about Tupac and Biggie. I love the way they broke that down. But I, as a journalist, I. I want to see more like I. The fact or the. The accusation that he took the money to pay for this big funeral for. For Biggie. Right.
- [82:43]
Joy Reid
Well, there's that part and then there's the other part. Let me play real quick before I get you to talk about that. Let's play Jason A. Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see. Yes, let us play D6. D6, which is a clip that was actually posted on 50s Instagram by. I think his name is Eddie Bean. Take a look. All right.
- [83:06]
Congressman Dan Goldman
The Puffy documentary, executive produced by 50 Cent. Initially, my thoughts on the documentary was very well put together. Being a fan of documentaries, it was done with quality. The OG was in it. Shout out to Bill Bang. Pac's oldest living cousin, William Lasaine is featured in it first two episodes, I believe. And he did a great job giving some insight on Tupac, Biggie and Puffy's dynamic. Early in Pac and Big's friendship, some of the seeds that was planted that may have led to some ill feelings from Puffy towards Tupac might have been some jealousy about Tupac and Biggie's grown friendship and how interested and invested.
- [84:11]
Jackie Reed
Am I. Frozen. Hello?
- [84:27]
Joy Reid
Oh, wait, hold on. Yeah, sort of the narrative. We had a little bit of a freeze moment. But what he was basically going to lay out is that allegedly in this doc, as you saw, the. One of the allegations is that Puffy was jealous of Tupac and Biggie's friendship, sought to break that friendship apart because Pac really wanted Biggie to succeed and was really behind Biggie and was playing his demos and like really wanted and that they were friends and that Tupac and that Puffy had two parts of envy. Envy. Number one, he envied the friendship. Envy part number two, he wanted to be Tupac. He wanted to be the entertainer, not the marketer. He wanted to be the performer. And so he envied Tupac talent and even Biggie's talent. And that he ultimately, after both of them were killed. Both of them were dead, he then, at that point emerges as finally getting to be on center stage. Your thoughts, you're muted, girl.
- [85:27]
Jackie Reed
You know, because I got all these animals in here and everybody's acting up right now, so. So I would have to mute often. No, you know, I was. I had never seen. Because I'm not a hip hop head like you. So I really didn't follow all of these things. Like, you know, when Suge Knight said what he said, I don't know what award show that was, and took a swipe at Diddy.
- [85:48]
Joy Reid
That was the Source Awards.
- [85:49]
Jackie Reed
The Source Awards, where he was like, you know, y' all got these producers out here who want to be stars and they want to be in your.
- [85:55]
Joy Reid
Videos and all in the video.
- [85:57]
Jackie Reed
Yeah. I mean, here's the thing I would like to see, because the thing that was most shocking to me was the police detective that they had.
- [86:07]
Joy Reid
Yes.
- [86:08]
Jackie Reed
The details about the Tupac shooting and Diddy's possible involvement of that. Right. There was nothing concrete about that. It was all speculative. But then the part about the funeral for Biggie and even Puffy's involvement in that. Right. But the funeral and, you know, having Diddy, you know, royalties from what, what Biggie had earned, pay for that, insisting on this big funeral and then not even paying for it. Like, I would love to see the receipts on that. I would love to like a family member, someone else weigh in on that.
- [86:45]
Joy Reid
Yeah. Well, by the way, the memes on that, where people are using the. Every breath we take and doing all of these incredible memes, they are hilarious and hysterical because. Yeah. I mean, imagine making a brother pay for his own funeral after. You're the one. Puffy is the one who insists, insisted that Biggie stay in la because that was one of the big pieces narrative that they're alleging. And it's all an allegation again, as Jackie said, that he may have paid the Bloods, who. Or the Crips who were involved in the murder.
- [87:25]
Jackie Reed
I don't know if I'm frozen or. You're frozen. Who's frozen?
- [87:43]
Joy Reid
Not go to London. That he wanted to go to London. That Biggie actually wanted to leave. He didn't even want to be in la. That it was Puffy who insisted that he stay. And then that's what led to his death. There's so much there. But you're right, there needs to be. I need a part two, by the way, sis. I need a part.
- [87:55]
Jackie Reed
I need a part two. I feel like this was. It was well done as documentaries go, but it was still rushed because it's a lot of speculation, a lot of hearsay, a lot of people. I need to see receipts. But I. I feel like there should be a part two. But you know what I would like to see also. I'm gonna get some pushback on this. I. I think Diddy, it would be well spent money if he's saying, because he is saying everywhere, that everything in this documentary that is just lies. Okay, brother, your own documentary. Give us the other side. Show us that these are lies. Prove it.
- [88:28]
Joy Reid
And the other piece, that that wasn't played out. And this is rumors that we've heard for many years about allegations that there was sexual abuse, not just of Cassie and the mistreatment of her, but of other people as well. Jason, if you could tee up D7, please.
- [88:46]
State Representative Graciela Guzman
Yeah.
- [88:49]
Congressman Dan Goldman
Still would have been secret about it. I wouldn't just, like, snitch. Yeah. Because I'm not no snitch. Like, I was gonna just deal with it and I don't know why somebody that evil would. She broke my glasses. I don't get it. I don't know why somebody would do.
- [89:06]
Joy Reid
That to.
- [89:09]
Congressman Dan Goldman
A talented, passionate people, even though we talented, passionate people.
- [89:15]
Joy Reid
I don't understand.
- [89:16]
Congressman Dan Goldman
No, it's okay, bro. I understand why some. Someone would sit down and think about hurting someone. I don't know, and. Or laugh about it after they do it. You know, Like, I don't get it. I don't. That's why I said none of them are innocent. I'm not here to expose anybody. But none of them are innocent, man. Like, none of them are innocent. Y' all all coming after this man for millions of dollars when y' all.
- [89:44]
Jackie Reed
Were a part of.
- [89:45]
Congressman Dan Goldman
Of it as well.
- [89:48]
Joy Reid
There's implications in that that there was sexual. And even in the documentary as we saw it, that there's in. There's intimations that there was sexual abuse of some of the male producers as well. And that theme is just sort of an undercurrent in the film. It's not explicitly stated. It's implied. And these are rumors that have been out there that he was an equal opportunity sexual Abuser.
- [90:13]
Jackie Reed
He was fluid.
- [90:14]
Joy Reid
Yeah, fluid. And so that's something that I think an altar too could. Yeah. And there are also people that just aren't in the documentary that you think, well, where's Mace? Where's. You know, Bentley Farnsworth was like everywhere with him.
- [90:28]
Jackie Reed
Evans, where's Faith?
- [90:29]
Joy Reid
Evans, where's Mary J.
- [90:32]
Jackie Reed
Girl? But did your jaw drop in the fourth episode when the brother who was the co. Co founder of Bad Boy, Kirk Burrows, when he was talking about how bad he did him with the money in the end, suggested that there was some kind of sexual assault. I was like, what?
- [90:49]
Joy Reid
What? Listen, he implied that he took a baseball bat and threatened him. That also has. Was done to Andre Harrell and others. And there have been these stories about him with his baseball bat. The alleged somebody was shot in a bathroom with the son and all this. Great. But that one was jaw dropping. The. And again, it's not proven. It is an allegation in the doc that he also sexually abused him, his partner.
- [91:13]
Jackie Reed
They stayed that until the fourth episode. But then the producer who did the latest album that came out in 2020.
- [91:20]
Joy Reid
The Diddy Dirty Money album that nobody remembers.
- [91:23]
Jackie Reed
No, the one after that.
- [91:24]
Joy Reid
Right.
- [91:25]
Jackie Reed
The one after that that he did this comeback that he did the brother who was staying with him in Miami and he right. Club to get strippers. And he's like, I did often. They didn't. $29,000. And then he started talking about. He filed a lawsuit as well, saying, drugged, abused, like all these things like, I'm just like, I can't keep up.
- [91:47]
Joy Reid
It's so much. It's so wild that it's hard to. It's like, hard to. There's so. And there's so much more. This was, to me only scratching the surface of things that have been just like. There were rumors for a long time about Bill Cosby in the comedy world. People had these sort of inside jokes and people implied that they knew that this happened, you know, that they knew that these bad things were happening and they didn't say anything. Right. And that the comedy world kind of looked the other way as Bill Cosby was allegedly abusing women. And the same kind of thing that those who pay attention to kind of the hip hop world, people have said stuff about him too. Right. The Cassie thing, I think blew people's minds because nobody had really implied that he was necessarily a physical abuser of women, that this stuff had been out there as rumors. And they didn't really go there in this documentary. But that group of men sitting There in tears. You're thinking to yourself, what on earth was happening to these brothers?
- [92:51]
Jackie Reed
Oh, Curtis Jackson has to be planning a part two. There, there. Because there's so much more that was left unsaid, left unproven. And I want to hear from other people that were around, you know, in the mix back in the day. Yeah, I want to hear from them on all of these things. So more to the story.
- [93:14]
Joy Reid
Let's hear one more. And this one is D8. Jason, this is a surprise to me. And I think you might have sent me this. And I was like, wait, hold on, hold on a second. Here is a rare Puffy defender, Marlon Wayans, of all people, defending him. Here it is close to the situation.
- [93:34]
Congressman Dan Goldman
But you can skew. You can create any narrative. As a producer and as a director and as a storyteller. I can create a narrative. I could be like, you know what you have? I could create a narrative. We see it all the time in reality shows, like. Nah, reality shows. It doesn't mean it's true. It doesn't mean it's true. I can get interviews, I can do this.
- [93:57]
Joy Reid
I can get footage.
- [93:58]
Congressman Dan Goldman
And I could make you think this about that person. No, for sure. Yeah. And that doesn't necessarily mean it's true. So for me, you know, I think, look, 50 and puff have a long term beef. It's personal, is between saying 50 is wrong for doing it, but 50 is right for doing it. It's between him and Puff. And before it's between him and Puff, it's between both of them and God. Just the way Puff is down on his luck and 50s kicking a man when he's down, God is going to. If 50 of a luck turn up on 50, you know that you got to be careful what you put out. There's a karma to every action that you do.
- [94:30]
Joy Reid
I mean, that, that. I mean, absolutely. It could always turn on the other way. And it's not like 50 Cent, you know, I was very much opposed to what he was doing in Louisiana when he was literally stumping for the passage of a law that would actually harm teachers and other people in Louisiana because he has a film studio and he wanted a big tax break. So I'm not saying. And then he did this other thing where he attacked New York City, had this really, actually really innovative program for migrants for immigrants, particularly from Venezuela, where they were leaving them in shelters and they weren't eating the food because the food there was sort of generic food that they didn't eat. And so people were wasting Food. And it's actually a brother that created this EBT card that they were using that they could use to shop in bodegas to buy food they liked. He like savaged that program. So, I mean, I say I'm not a 50 fan here on this, but so it says, yeah, of course it, karma can always come back the other way. So I'm not saying he's a good guy, but it was surprising to me to hear anybody really at this point defending Puffy. What do you think?
- [95:25]
Jackie Reed
Well, Marlon came out to say after getting much backlash from that interview that he, he wanted to make it clear he was not defending Diddy. He said what he was just saying is the way that 50, that 50 cent was going about this was wrong to kick someone when they're down as if you've never done anything. And then what he went on beyond that was posting things, you know, on his social media. Really coming after 50 Cent, he put up a poster of the 1212 Years of Slave movie and replaced, you know, put 50's face on the, the actor who played the slave he has video of. Is it Puffy and Diddy at puffy and 50 in a hot tub or something?
- [96:10]
Joy Reid
Yes, they're in a hot tub back.
- [96:11]
Jackie Reed
Like Marlin has been going in. But 50's been coming back at him. But I was like, now be careful because I don't want to go up against the Wayans family because they run deep. They run deep and they've been in.
- [96:22]
Joy Reid
The industry a long time and they know, they know a lot of things. And what some people are talking in the chat about the fact that some of the people who we also want. Jlo hasn't said much. The whole thing would Shine, which was a horrific, like, everyone knows that that happened, that he let Shine go to prison and get a 10 year bid for something that I, I, I don't think anyone really who's really been paying attention believes he wasn't involved in. He and JLO kind of walked away and left Shine held in the bag. That we'd love to hear from him. I would definitely, you know, we heard Craig Max, widow, talking about, you know, him having to ask him for $100 when he literally had a Grammy nomination and a hit record. Like the fact that he was just, just stiffing people financially. There's so many people I definitely want to hear from Farnsworth Bentley. I'm sorry, I want to hear from Mace. So many people, you know, little Kim, like, there's so many people you could hear from in A part two. And then the other piece, Jackie, that they did not go into that. I really thought they were. Was Kim Porter and her death. And, and, and all of the questions surrounding that. So that would be, to me, that and more on the Albie Shore of it. Because there's apparently a lot more to the Albie. Sure of it. Yeah. I need to hear that in a part two.
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Jackie Reed
Yeah, I definitely do. And what I think 50 is also trying to set up. And I don't know. This is my opinion. I don't know this for a fact, but Justin Combs, Diddy Son, is all up in this documentary. Like, when there was that alleged shooting in the bathroom situation.
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Joy Reid
What's happening?
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Jackie Reed
I mean, girl 50 is like, I'm coming after everybody. I think the only people that are going to be safe are those twin girls. Let me take these babies now. They're.
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State Representative Graciela Guzman
She.
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Jackie Reed
She's looking after them.
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Joy Reid
Yes. And, and the thing is, I can't imagine being a kid, you know, young person, a young, you know, they're young, they're not kids. But having all of this just grow. Just the stuff that actually was presented in court, setting aside what was in the dock, you know, there were days when Puppy's mom and his daughters and sons were in court. I cannot imagine sitting and listening to this horrific stuff said and then having a normal relationship with my father. Like, I can't imagine.
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Jackie Reed
Well, I would, I would be surprised if that wasn't part of the legal strategy of Diddy's team to say, let's make sure that these jurors see his family, his kids. So there's a sympathy factor. But I, if, If he's been their father this long, I would guess that there's been a conversation about, you're going to hear some lies. People are going to say things that aren't true. This, this, this. Y' all know I had that baby oil because I was gardening and I needed, you know, the plants that I have. Take the special type of water.
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Joy Reid
Come on. Baby oil.
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Jackie Reed
It's not for sexual.
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Joy Reid
You don't need that much baby or the garden baby. That's a lot of baby. That's a. Even in the, Even in the hotel room when they talked about the inventory of what they found in his room. Why was that baby oil in the bathtub? Why was that baby oil.
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Jackie Reed
And other lubricants, like, plenty of lube.
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Joy Reid
So much girl.
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Jackie Reed
And the whole guy who had the whole interview with the guy who was having sex with Cassie and Diddy involved sometimes. And like, this is what he's alleging. But it was like this ongoing thing. So that to me was like, that's his own documentary.
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Joy Reid
Oh, and also the fact that he wanted to always have him come out there on the anniversary of Biggie's murder. This was like a celebratory, you know, sex thing that he wanted every single anniversary. The things y'.
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Jackie Reed
All.
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Joy Reid
If people are in the chat are saying they weren't going to watch it, but they are compelled. You really should watch it.
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Jackie Reed
You have to watch.
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Joy Reid
Even if you're not a hip hop fan, if you're not. If you weren't following this as a narrative, as a mystery, as a just a story of the kind of brokenness of humanity and what wealth can do to people to create impunity. And, and what I would relate it to is the Epstein files because you. What you have in both of those cases or Harvey Weinstein or Bill Cosby. There's so many of these narratives, or R. Kelly, of people when they get great wealth but who don't have great moral foundation when that moral found, when that lack of moral foundation meets unlimited wealth, what it does to warp a person. And also when no limits are placed on people when they're young. I said the same thing about Trump. If you read Mary Trump's books, it's the fact that they had unlimited wealth. At least in his side is part of the family know the, the. His father was stingy with the, with the children, but he was willing to offer unlimited wealth in exchange for you being a killer, as he would say it. By the way, I didn't even address the fact. I'm sorry to go off topic. Why did the Fox people say call me killjoy? Like that doesn't seem like a good idea to say that.
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Jackie Reed
Oh, to say that you're a killjoy.
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Joy Reid
A killjoy. Yeah. But I'm saying using that terminology don't feel like a good idea in this environment. I thought, I thought, I think I'll throw that in.
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Jackie Reed
Yeah, but that's, that's fair.
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Joy Reid
It's like, I mean, I know what it means. You know, I know what it means.
- [101:36]
Jackie Reed
It's like, you know.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, but I'm like, maybe don't say that because one of the people on the, on the set had to be like, we don't mean literally. Yeah, but anyway, wait, let me just.
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Jackie Reed
Say to the people in the Joy Ann Reid war room. Let's rethink that. Don't use that. Don't use that terminology. That could be problematic for you all, you know, legally.
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Joy Reid
People, yeah, they don't do that. But to be back to this, I think that what we really seeing, and we're seeing it across the board, whether it's Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, who was very privileged and who had a father that was super powerful and rich. These people, their wealth is not matching a moral foundation. And so when they can do whatever they want. And I would throw in boredom, these people get so bored that they're not excited by normal pursuits. They start to get into the outre and the abnormal because normal sexual relationships just aren't enough. It's not exciting. They start going into the weird and the, and the cruel and the horrific. And they're just not limited. It's an unlimited. And he was saying, I'm a bad boy. So he's like, you know, I'm gonna live into it.
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Jackie Reed
Well, they're insatiable, right? They become insatiable. It's like, okay, now what? You know, I mean, Diddy has so much money. I mean, hundreds of millions of dollars. I mean, the Chirac deal, the, the Sean, you know, the Sean John clothing line deals that he made. I mean, to have a, a store in New York on fifth Avenue, you know, how much that real estate cost. I mean, and all the music that, you know, where he wasn't paying artist after artist after artist. Allegedly he had a lot of money. And so when you, when you have that and you can just flow and do all these things, eventually it gets bored. I mean, to the point that he didn't even want to have sex with, with Cassie anymore, according to this gentleman who was having sex with her for him. Or else there's some kind of ed going on where he couldn't have sex, but I don't know.
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Joy Reid
Or he just really didn't like women.
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Jackie Reed
But he, but the guy said he would kind of get involved sometimes, but he would, you know, they would take turns.
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Joy Reid
And also the weird thing about him always wanting to be with the woman, the girlfriend or ex's of people he knew of, like literally targeting even Kim Porter initially. Like, all these girls are somebody that he knows. X. It's like if you dated Tupac, that's who he wanted. He doesn't want just a person that's free and clear of his friends. He was like, I'll be sure's ex. I want that person because I'm dealing with album. That was just a weird piece of it too.
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Jackie Reed
Yeah, people like that are sick, girl. I've dealt with that in my life. It's just sick it's just sickness. That's just.
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Joy Reid
That's.
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Jackie Reed
That's sickness right there. But, you know, people are still. And even those jurors, when you heard what they said about the relationship with Cassie, well, you know, he beat her in that lobby, but then, you know, she got back with him. I can't imagine that the prosecutors did not provide some kind of expert testimony talking about, you know, women, particularly in abusive relationships and their mentality, especially someone who's been groomed from such a young age. I mean, she was 18 or 19 when they started that relationship. And just, you know, the jurors in. In that initial case, not this most recent one, I think it was the. The one against Cassie, just. It was just a. It was shocking to me, the things that their take.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, the lady was a fan. If. If you all watch the documentary, when you get to part four, you're gonna see a juror who clearly is a Puffy fan.
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Jackie Reed
A black woman.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, a black woman. And she was clearly a fan. And. And again, people saying, just like TR Trump. It is very Trumpy. It's like. And. And I listen to people who are fans of. You know, I think I posted something about it because I was on Carrie Champions podcast, which I did also talk about Stephen A. Smith, but, you know, another dragon I heard around the world. Around the world. Everybody sent it to me. Like, I didn't. Wasn't there. But. And. And we talked about this. And in the comments when I posted it, the. The Puffy fans were like legion in the comments and defending him. And the thing is that people develop a fandom that makes them not willing to see. See the wrong and the evil. And I. There are people who jump in here are trolls for Trump. There's nothing you. That Trump could do, even to them, that would break them from it because they're in a cult. It's a cult, like fandom. That is really kind of weird.
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Jackie Reed
Yeah. I mean, if they don't hear it come out of. And even if they did hear it come out of Trump's mouth, they'll blame it on AI. Somebody said Stockholm Syndrome. Exactly that.
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Joy Reid
It's Stockholm Syndrome.
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State Representative Graciela Guzman
And.
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Joy Reid
And so in this case. Right. And the Stockholm syndrome cinder would be Cassie. I can't imagine being her children and having to see her being dragged across the ground and hear people say, well, she wanted to be there. She stayed because she wanted to stay. It's like she got vilified in such a horrific way after putting herself out there. And by the way, for everyone who's not Aware the law that Cassie used to file finally a civil lawsuit against. It's the same law E. Jean Carol used. And so big ups to Eugene Carroll, who was the first as a 70 something odd year old woman to rush into the breach when that New York law was passed that opened up the statute of limitations and allowed people to file civil suits for cases in which they were abused in the 90s. Because girl, we were listen the 90s, we remember it so fondly, but the 90s was kind of illmatic. Like there was a lot of abuse and a lot of. I mean Epstein was active in the 90s, R. Kelly was active in the 90s, Harvey Weinstein was active in the 90s. Obviously the diddler diddy was active in like the 90s. We remember it as this hip hop like golden age, a black movies golden age. But in another way it was also because it was an era when a lot of women were trying to be models. There was sort of a modeling a very music video forward age. There was a lot of bad going on back then.
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Jackie Reed
There definitely was. And I mean, you know, Cassie coming.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Forward.
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Jackie Reed
Unlocked or, or took away the fear or instilled a lot of bravery in people that had been, you know, had had claims of being assaulted, abused in some kind of way. A lot of people came for she gave because she was brave enough to do what she did. A lot of other people after that, even the guy who was the producer of the album, remember he was like when I saw what was happening in casting, they were, you know, not paying me and I had been. He alleges that he had been drugged and everything. That's when he filed his lawsuit after. So she instilled a lot of strength in people who. I think the woman who was abused back in the 90s by him, he has to be in a video. I don't think she came forward until the Kathy allegations in the video. And Kathy actually filed a lawsuit. Somebody said in there that this whole documentary in the chat happened because of diddy getting with 50s ex.
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Joy Reid
That's another alleged. I mean that allegation is out there too that he. That 50 was yet another one of the people whose exes Puffy targeted. It's like he was obsessed with being with the the exes and, and that that is an allegation that's out there that this is what sparked the sort of latest beef. They've had sort of a beef for a while and you know people can say it's look again, 50 is like kind of rolling with Trump. So I'm not so sure that we're going to make a hero out of him. And he didn't make the documentary. He is the executive producer. It's a different film or actual woman filmmaker. So I. This is not like a Pro50 kind of argument, Right? I think two people can be villains and fight each other. You know, it's Godzilla and Megalodon, you know.
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Jackie Reed
But did you see 50s latest response to Marlon Wayans? I want to bring that back up. He had an old video. I don't know how old it was. It might have been a few years. It wasn't, like, from years ago of Marlon. Marlon Wayans interviewing Omar eps.
- [109:36]
Joy Reid
Yes.
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Jackie Reed
And talking about when they were hanging out with Tupac and Omar. Fellas sleep. And there's that Tupac took his pants down and put his penis near Omar's face. I don't know if they took a picture or something, but it was a joke. Like, there was other people in the room and it was a joke. And Omar was like, why would you tell. Like, he seemed like. Because even before he knew where he was going, he's like, please don't tell that story.
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Joy Reid
I think they were roommates. I think back in the day, Marlon Wayans and Omar Epps, I believe, were roommates, when, you know, people were living broke in New York City, I think. But, yeah, I mean, look, there's. Everyone's trying to throw everyone under the bus now. Y' all, like, what's happening now? This, you know, Puffy situation has, like, kind of exploded all these beefs, all of these stories, and it has really created a feeding frenzy of allegations and charges of. But one of the things that some people have talked about is that it has exposed the hyper sexualized nature of the hip hop world that really wasn't talked about publicly. That really wasn't, you know, said to be existing, but that did exist in that era. And so I think there are parts of the story and I think there are aspects of this documentary that I think are interesting people, because it is bringing forward what a lot of people believe was a hidden, hypersexualized, predatory atmosphere inside of hip hop. By the way, at the time when Wendy Williams was getting beaten up for literally kind of calling that out on the radio, and people were saying she was being a mean girl, but she was talking about a lot of this stuff on Hot 97 back in the day. Day, and people thought she was making it up. But so just saying.
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Jackie Reed
I don't think it's. I don't. I don't think it's just hip hop though. Although it was prevalent there. Just the entertainment industry, the whole entertainment.
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Joy Reid
Absolutely.
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Jackie Reed
You know, because the whole Harvey Weinstein thing, I mean this kind of stuff, Hollywood, everything happening everywhere. And it really wasn't until the whole Me Too movement where a lot of women got the courage to come forward in, in a big way because they just felt like, well, if this happens to me, if I say something, it's going up against, you know, someone, you know, as big as Harvey Weinstein, who's gonna believe me when I went up to the room because he was like, come up here and read this script or something. You know, a lot of women will do things like that and feel like they're at fault because they just, they feel like they weren't smart enough to see that they were dealing with a predator.
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Joy Reid
Well, it's so interesting because we talk about the, the Epstein Steam files a lot on this show. And the thing that brings it all together is that there was a world that a lot of Democrats were playing in as well. That was in these so called liberal worlds of music, entertainment, Hollywood, where the Jeffrey Epstein's were playing. Remember, Donald Trump was a Democrat back then too. Which is why I think this is my theory is that the, the QAnon people who believed that there were all these pedophile rings that were happening, there was this global pedophile ring, they thought that it would only nab the Democrats because they, they, they had this sense that there was a lot of it that was happening in Hollywood, et cetera. And remember Trump was playing in Hollywood at that time. He was actually, he was a Hollywood staple at that time. He was popular. People didn't. They discounted the racism that had literally been proven by the Nixon administration when they sued him and his father for racial discrimination in their housing. You know, the housing that they ran in New York. They dismissed the Central Park Five and they just. He was all up in the middle of Hollywood. So this was a bipartisan thing. These were just powerful rich men. And that was the thing that brought them together. And so I think the QAnon people thought it was only going to be Democrats. So they were like release the Epstein files only to find out that a lot of their favorites, you know, I mean, look, there was people that were giving money to Harvard. There was Bill Gates that was hanging with Epstein. Like this was across the board. This was just rich, untethered men.
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Jackie Reed
Yeah. And I just wanted to throw in there because you brought up Wendy Williams. You remember when Wendy Williams left New York, radio and went to work in Philly for a while. And people said that it was because allegedly she said something about Diddy being gay.
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Joy Reid
And.
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Jackie Reed
And that because of the connections he had, he was able to get her fired and pushed out of New York City. And she was in Philly for a while and then came back. Now, you know, I. I don't know all those details, but I'm just saying that those are the allegations that are out there, that that's what happened. I mean, y' all can drop it in the chat if y' all know.
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Joy Reid
For a fact, if y' all know some things. I love this comment. In the chat, they said, can you imagine Wendy Williams right now in the purple chair? Oh, my God.
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Jackie Reed
She would have to do a special show every day or just do shows dedicated to what's going all. Because every day is something about Diddy in the every day.
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Joy Reid
As a matter of fact, I'm gonna reach out. We know that Wendy Williams, by the way, she seems to be extricating herself from her sort of forced confinement. And Wendy, if you're listening, holler, because we have a mutual friend. I'm reach out to him because I would love to interview Ms. Wendy about all of this. Let me know in the chat if y' all would like to see Wendy Williams on here to talk about this subject. Alongside, we'll do the three of us. Jackie Reed, Wendy Williams, and me. This is the show. I think that the people want Hot Topics. For real, My sore sister, cousin, friend, Jackie Reed. Thank you so much for being here. Let everybody know where they can find you because you've got so many great things in addition to Read this, read that. Please let us know.
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Jackie Reed
I do. I do. In addition to Read this, read that. Please subscribe and follow and like us here on YouTube for read this, read that. But I've got the Jackie Reed Experience. I mentioned it on our show and on some other projects I've been working on. In January, I'm starting a wellness show. It'll be three times a week, the same days as Joy Ann, but just at noon.
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Joy Reid
Yes. So you have a noon and a 6pm a noon and a 6pm 6.
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Jackie Reed
I was like, where am I gonna put myself? Everybody's all over. I said, okay, let me do noon. That's a good time. On Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
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Joy Reid
Just.
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Jackie Reed
Yeah, that's when I'm gonna do a live show starting on January 5th. So that's the. @ the Jackie Reed Experience on YouTube and then at Vegan Sexy Cool. That's gonna all be about living a soft life while leaving an even softer carbon footprint. So it's really about how to be sexy and cool but also be kind, you know, to the planet and to the animals and all those things. So you can still be fabulous and have great makeup and drive nice cars and wear fabulous clothes and also just find little ways to be kind, you.
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Joy Reid
Know.
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Jackie Reed
Yes. Planet and to the animals. So that's what I have going on. So follow me at Vegan Sexy, Cool and follow me at the Jackie Reed.
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Joy Reid
Experience. People are asking for the sweatshirt. Let's see the full sweatshirt. Can you stand just a little bit? To very cute. Vegans are sexy. Vegan, sexy and cool. So you guys want to follow vegansexycool.com and also the Jackie Reid Experience and also please like and subscribe to. Read this. Read that. You can find us every Thursday right here in these YouTube street. So make sure that you're liking and subscribing all of our things. Because listen, independent media is where it's at, y'. All. You're gonna get all the teat, you can get all the fun and you're gonna get Jackie.
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Jackie Reed
Reed. That's right. Or I'm sorry, Joy Reed.
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Joy Reid
Here. Yeah, well, you know, it depends. It depends on where I'm at. Jackie Reed, thank you very much for sister, cousin, friend. I will see you soon. Bye bye. Thank you very much, y'. All. Well, we're coming to the end. I have to let you all know that we are having some Internet issues. As you've seen, we've frozen a couple of times. So I believe I've been told. Now what we're going to do is the the chat, the members only chat that we had played plan for today. We want to make sure that it actually comes off and we don't have freezing taking place in that. So we're going to reschedule that for Monday because Monday will be in the stronger wi fi or the stronger Internet. So we're going to do that on Monday after the show. So apologies to those of you who are all geared up to do the chat tonight. It won't be a Friday night party with the afterparty will be Monday after the show. So at 8pm sharp on Monday we will will do our members only chat. But that the good news about that is it gives you a couple more days to subscribe or become a member whether you are a reader, which is a member over at the substack side or on this side, a member on the YouTube side. So we're going to give you a few more days, give you the weekend. But before we go, let's get our moment of joy going. And this moment of joy is something that I'm really actually excited about because I thought it was such a beautiful tribute from the fashion world to the people who are immigrants in this country who are really just taking catching so much hell. And the fashion world decided to come together and create something that I think is really beautiful. Edward Enfold, who is a fashionisto, put this together and I thought it was so beautiful. It's also on my Instagram, but we wanted it to also be our moment of joy and Rollam Aluwalia. And I am an immigrant. I'm Adriana Lima and I am an immigrant. I'm Jasmine Sanders and I am an immigrant. My name is Jahara Ali and I'm an immigrant. I'm an immigrant. I'm Cuba Tornado Scott and I am an.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Immigrant. Worship David.
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Jackie Reed
Yang. I'm an.
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Joy Reid
Immigrant. I am an immigrant. I am Winnie Harlow and I am an.
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State Representative Graciela Guzman
Immigrant. And I am an.
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Joy Reid
Immigrant. I'm Natasha Polly and I'm an immigrant. My name is Joran Dan and I'm an immigrant. I am an.
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Jackie Reed
Immigrant. I am an.
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Joy Reid
Immigrant. I'm Iman Hama, Expo 3 at.
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Jackie Reed
Houston. I am an.
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Joy Reid
Immigrant. My name is Dawson Cruz and I am an immigrant. I am an.
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Jackie Reed
Immigrant. I'm Riley Montana Igber. I am an.
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Joy Reid
Immigrant. I'm an immigrant. I'm an immigrant. I'm an.
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Congressman Dan Goldman
Immigrant. Igbenen.
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Jackie Reed
Imigelt. I am Diane von Furstenberg and I am an immigrant. America was very good to.
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Joy Reid
Me. And like each and every person in that video, immigration is beautiful, makes our country stronger, makes our country better and just makes our country flavorful. We don't want flavorless America. We want America with flavor. That includes the real, true history of the country that we, unlike Fox, are not fearful of. And it also includes embracing immigrants of every race, color and creed, religious background and every other version of diversity. Yes. I hate to break it to you, maga. Diversity is our strength. Thank you all for watching the Joy Reach show. We will see you on Monday. Have a beautiful weekend. We're going to gear up for our members only chat Monday after the show and if you guys do purchase anything from the Joy Read shop, we appreciate that. Make sure that you tag me at Joy. Ann Reid, tag the show at the Joy Read show or just joy read show and hashtag it wearing Joy so that we can put your cute little pictures right on this screen so everyone can enjoy how beautiful you are. Thank you all for watching. Have a great weekend and we'll see you on the next the Joy Read Show. Bye. Bye. Okay.
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