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Joy Reid
This episode is brought to you by Netflix from the creator of Homeland. Claire Danes and Matthew Rhys star in the new Netflix series the Beast in Me as ruthless rivals whose shared darkness will set them on a collision course with fatal consequences. The Beast in Me is a riveting psychological cat and mouse story about guilt, justice and doubt. You will not want to miss this. The Beast in Me is now playing only on Netflix. Okay, it is. Good evening, everybody. Happy Friday. Tgif. Tgif. Thank God it's Friday. Welcome to the Joy retail. Thank you all for tuning in. Big up to the chat. I wore my Team TJRS sweatshirt in your honor. I'm just straighten it out so you can see it award in your honor. It's available in the store, of course, and you can go to shop joy reid.com shameless plug but I do love this shirt. It's one of my favorite sweatshirts. But thank you all for tuning in. And big ups to everybody who's listening on YouTube. If you're listening on the stack substack, we love you all as well. If you are listening on a podcast platform, Spotify, we're still a little mad at them, but Spotify, we, we're, we're going to go ahead and big them up as well. As well as Apple, itunes or wherever you're listening. Thank you all for tuning in. We appreciate you. We appreciate your support. Please be sure to hit that like and that share button. The algorithm really needs it. I want to announce that today we got to 350,000 subscribers. We hit the 350,000 subscriber mark. Jason, can we get a round of applause for all of our wonderful subscribers? Thank you. So thank you all for all the support. We are growing and growing and growing. We're still, I still want to get to 500,000 by my birthday. I know it is an ambitious ass, but that's what we're doing. We were just talking behind the scenes about some of our plans for Black Friday because, you know, there is this we ain't having it campaign. There are also a lot of campaigns about not giving these major retailers your money on Black Friday, not giving Jeff Bezos your money. As much as we're all addicted to Amazon, doing some things because we need to demonstrate to the regime and to the Republicans who are running this country into the ground that we're not having it, that we're not in favor of fascism, that we oppose it and we're gonna stand against it come what may. And sometimes the only language that fascists understand, not even Sometimes the only language they understand is money. These are super capitalists and they only understand money. So their idea is they're gonna max as much money as they can. They all wanna become trillionaires. And we're going to say, you know what, you're not going to do that on our backs. You're not going to take away people's snap money right before Thanksgiving. By the way, Trump is still in court about that. That is insane that he just, instead of just giving the money up. And again, that's not Congress, it's Trump. So I think it's, I think we can agree. This one we can agree on. There is something deeply askew and wrong going on inside the Republican Party and in the conservative movement, which I think the Epstein files melodrama has unearthed maybe more than anything else. Now, I think it has been clear for a long time, for those of us who have observed and followed the Republican Party's de evolution from the Tea Party movement on down to maga, that the cult is so strong, it's so powerful, and the negative incentives are so bad and Donald Trump's desperation to suppress the Epstein files is so strong. Strong that eventually, in order to remain in the movement, in order to remain in the faith, Republicans were going to have to start actually defending pedophilia. Like, like they were going to get to the point where these memes, we're going to show these memes as a one where these memes, you know, admit liberals are wrong or defend pedophilia. I'm going to go with defend pedophilia. Maga cultists waiting for new instructions on how to defend child sex trafficking. You know, I mean, we're going to get to the point where those memes were just going to actually be real and where Republicans were so far gone that they could no longer even admit that pedophilia itself is wrong. Well, we have reached that day. And you know, when it comes to justifying the unjustifiable, there is nobody better at it. There is nobody more practiced and committed to justifying the unjustifiable than every man's mean ex wife. Former journalist turned radio talk show host Megyn Kelly of Santa is white and Jesus is somehow white. And also Middle Eastern fame and also blackface is okay, that lady, you can always count on that mean Barbie to do the bar, to do the dirty work. She's like mean old person Barbie. She's like mean elderly Barbie. Mean wrinkled Barbie. Mean wrinkled Barbie is always going through the dirt every time. She's even updated this is how committed she is to the bit. She's so committed she has updated her Trump first term stance where she was somewhat reasonable on child rape to fit her new guys as a MAGA Trump true believer. Here's Megan then and now for a lot of this.
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Megyn Kelly
But that he was into the barely legal type. Like he liked 15 year old girls and I realize this is disgusting. I'm definitely not trying to make an excuse for this, I'm just giving you facts that he wasn't into like 8 year olds but he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were but would look legal to a passerby. And that is what I believed and that was what I reliably was told for many years. And it wasn't until we heard from Pam Bondi that they had tens of thousands of videos of alleged, forgive me, they used to call it kitty porn. Now they call it child sexual abuse material on his computer that for the first time I thought, oh no, he was an actual pedophile. I mean only a pedophile gets off on young children abuse videos. She's never clarified it. I don't know whether it's true. I have to be honest. I don't really trust Pam Bondi's word on the Epstein or anything else anymore.
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Joy Reid
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
So I don't know what's true about him but we have yet to see anybody come forward and say I was a, like a, I was under 10, I was under 14 when I first came within his purview. I look, it's, you can say that's a distinction without a difference.
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E. Jean Carroll
No, it's not.
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Joy Reid
I think there is a difference.
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Megyn Kelly
There's, there's a difference between a 15 year old and a 5 year old. You know, it's just whatever.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, there's a difference in a 15 year old and a 5 year old for sure. But both of them are kids. Can we just dig into that? She said that she's heard about this for many years. Megan Kelly used to be a journalist. So I think she still considers herself a journalist. So she's saying she's heard about for many, many years, meaning she has pre knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein and what she's heard for many years is that he's not a pedophile and that she's only become convinced he's a pedophile like now. That's interesting Megan, because you've been a journalist a really long time, you know, and back when Trump was running the first time I'm going to show shortly, they were reaching out to Jeffrey Epstein to find out if he was doing pedophilia. This is not a new thing. He was literally indicted in 2008 when you were still alive. I mean, you're not a springiest spring chicken. So you are definitely alive in 2008 when he was indicted in Florida and given a no look sentence. But the girls in that case were like kids. So, so, so how, how would you. How, how, how. But you know what, I'm just gonna. I'm gonna chalk it up because you know what? When your soul is gone, you can say damn near anything. Have I mentioned that she has a 14 year old daughter? So you know what? Megan may be soulless and completely oblivious, but to be honest, to be fair, she is just following in the fine tradition of the maga, right? Which is long believed that little girls are ripe for the plucking. These are the people who overwhelmingly supported Judge Roy Moore when he ran for the United States Senate in Alabama, even after a woman came forward to accuse him of raping her when she was just 14 years old and he was a 32 year old prosecutor. And then when more women started coming forward, there were people that were literally online on their podcast saying, I mean, isn't that how Mary begat Jesus? Wasn't she, Was she not a teenager? And they were literally saying that, I'm old enough to remember that. I think Megan is too. Let me show y' all how the view handled this mess back then. This was in 2017, during Trump's first time as president.
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E. Jean Carroll
Onto his crotch. I was terrified. He was also trying to pull my shirt off. I thought that he was going to rape me. He said, you're just a child. And he said, I am the District Attorney of Etowah county and if you tell anyone about this, no one will ever believe you.
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Joy Reid
Now, there are also other reports that Moore was banned from a local mall for trying to pick up teenagers. A lot of Republicans are turning on him, including Mitch McConnell, who says he believes the women, but some are still sticking to him. And I guess a lot of people are trying to figure out why. Well, first of all, if you can't shop at the local mall, maybe you shouldn't be in Senate. I mean, it's just a basic bar for predatory behavior. Yeah, like they said it was like not an official, but that they knew to keep their eye out for a guy that wore a suit and liked to prey on teenagers. One thing that I wanted to was when I was prosecuting these child sex crimes, people were very uncomfortable with the notion that the girl looked kind of grown and looked kind of adult and there's, and so they felt like, you know, it must be consensual, like they just couldn't jive the two together. And what I used to do is I used to show pictures of the kid at the age when the predation started. At the age when the grooming started. That's right. And it made a big difference. And there's this Me14, I think Me at 14 campaign. We have some of them look at what 14 year old girls look like. So this is a 14 year old girl and she says, I think this is me at 14. I was on the gymnastics team and sang in the choir. I was not dating a 32 year old man.
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E. Jean Carroll
Hello.
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Joy Reid
Let's get to some Hot Topics. Now.
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E. Jean Carroll
The former reality show star in the.
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Joy Reid
White House has broken his silence about I thought I would change it up. So. Has broken his silence on Alabama state race. Take a look.
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Donald Trump
We don't need a liberal person in there. A Democrat, Jones. I've looked at his record. It's terrible in crime. It's terrible in the border. It's terrible in the military.
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Joy Reid
Mr. President is an accused child molester. Veteran or Democrat is an accused.
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Donald Trump
Well, he denies it. Look, he denies it. If you look at what, what is really going on and you look at all the things that have happened over the last 48 hours, he totally denies it.
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Joy Reid
Oh yeah. So that's good enough for him. Well, it sounds like, it sounds like the Putin meddling in the like, don't worry, I asked him, I denied it. That's right. It's exactly. Basically Trump looked at those allegations and he basically just said, I'm with Petto. Even the, even like the Rupert Murdoch New York Post use that, that headline, I'm with Beto. I'm with the perv with the perv. By the way, Doug Jones, Donald Trump said he's terrible in crime. His records, you know, he's the guy who prosecuted the guys who bombed the 16th Street Baptist Church. Right. So he's pretty good on crime. He prosecuted a lot of Klansmen that were, that got away with it back in the day and he rustled them up late in their lives and put them in prison. So he's actually pretty good on crime, Donald. I mean, but you would only know that from the other side of the crime ledger. Yeah. Now, thankfully, former civil rights prosecutor, as I mentioned, Doug Jones won that race though after a single term. Alabama's genius voting majority placed him, replaced him with the single dumbest member of the United States Senate, Coach Thomas Tuberville. They gave him one term and they went with Tuberville. Make it make sense. Thank you, Karen Stooks for the comment and for the 199 tip. But Trump doesn't just have a history of denying pedophilia claims. No. He also denies sexual abuse claims against himself. Note that he has more than two dozen accusers, 26 women in total thus far that we know of have accused Donald Trump of some form of sexual predation leading all the way up to and including sexual abuse. Now, these women are all adults in that listing that we know of, but one of them actually took her case to civil trial and beat him. E. Jean Carroll, who Trump last week went to the Supreme Court to try to vacate her victory in the $86 million he owes her for also defamation. But I want you to take a listen to his deposition back in 2022 in the Eugene Carroll civil case in which he discusses his own personal thoughts about rape. Now first I want you to listen to him addressing both the grab him by the p word video that roiled his campaign in 2016 and also an interesting self defense of the whole thing. Here it is.
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Donald Trump
She's accusing me of rape, a woman that I have no idea who she is. It came out of the blue. She's accusing me of rape, of raping her. The worst thing you can do, the worst charge.
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Joy Reid
Oh, keep going.
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Donald Trump
And, and you know, it's, you know it's not true too. You're a political operative. Also you're disgust. You're a disgrace. But she's accusing me, and so are you, of rape and it never took place. And I will tell you, I made that statement and I said, well, it's politically incorrect. She's not my type. And that's 100% true.
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Stephanie Miller
She's not my type.
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Joy Reid
And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the. You can do anything. That's what you said, correct?
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Donald Trump
Well, historically that's true with stars.
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Joy Reid
It's true with stars that they can grab women by the.
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Donald Trump
Well, that's what it's. If you look over the last million years, I guess that's been largely true. Not always, but largely true.
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Joy Reid
By the way, that was Roberta Kaplan that was questioning him, an exceptional lawyer. She's not a political operative, she's an attorney. But did you hear that? So he defends his grab him by the P word thing. He says, you know, throughout history, men have been able to do that. And the other one, his defense that he didn't rape E. Jean Carroll is she's not his type. Does that mean if she was your type, he would have done it? And then he gets to the heart of the matter, referring to an interview that Eugene gave on Anderson Cooper show on cnn. And here's a piece of that actually.
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Donald Trump
Indicated that she loved it. Okay. She loved it until commercial break. In fact, I think she said it was sexy, didn't she? It was very sexy to be raped. Didn't she say that?
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Joy Reid
So, sir, I just want to confirm it's your testimony that Eugene Carroll said that she loved being sexually assaulted by you.
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Donald Trump
Well, based on her interview with Anderson Cooper, I believe that's what took place. We can define that. You'll have to show that. I'm sure you're going to show that. But. But she was interviewed by Anderson Cooper, and I think she said that rape was sexy, which it's not, by the way. But I think she said that rape was sexy. And it was. She actually said things that were very strange. And then she was a different person after the. When he said. We'll take a break right now. We're going to take a break right now. He didn't like what she was saying, was very upset with what. And then she came back and she was a much different woman. The second in the second half, so to speak.
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Joy Reid
So the question I'm asking you is, did she say in that interview that.
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E. Jean Carroll
She loved being sexually assaulted by rape?
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Donald Trump
Well, she said something to that effect. I mean, you'll have to take a look at the interview yourself. I believe she said rape was sexy. To which Anderson Cooper is dying. He's saying. Let's get to a commercial break immediately. I think you better watch the interview. I'm sure you have, but you better watch the interview.
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Joy Reid
Okay. In the interview, when Ms. Carol, first of all, weren't you kind of admitting you did it? Donald, when you put it that way? She said she loved it. She said it was sexy. But then you're denying you did it. You, you, you kind of said you did it and you think she enjoyed it. And she wasn't referring to a sexy rape. She said it was a violent encounter. In which, by the way, what Donald Trump was found liable for doing, what a jury said he did do, was literally grab her by the P word, reaching into her underwear and grabbing her by the. Let's listen to Eugene on Anderson Cooper.
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E. Jean Carroll
This was not, this was not sexual. It just, it hurt. It just what?
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Joy Reid
It just you know, I think most.
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Stephanie Miller
People think of rape as a, I mean, it is a violent assault. It is not.
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E. Jean Carroll
I think most people think of rape as being sexy.
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Stephanie Miller
Let's take a short break.
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E. Jean Carroll
Think of the fantasies.
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Stephanie Miller
We're just going to take a quick break. If you can stick around, we'll talk more on the other side.
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E. Jean Carroll
You're fascinating to talk to.
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Joy Reid
Now, I too have interviewed Eugene Carroll. She's an older woman and I will note that she's in Trump's age range group. They're around the same age. And by the way, he once mistook her for his second wife, Tiffany's mom. He was shown a picture of her and thought that was Tiffany's mother. So he, she is a quote unquote his type. When she was younger, she looked like Tiffany's mother, which had longer hair and she's elderly or she's an older person like Trump. So, yeah, she probably has an out of date view on what other people think about rape, but she sure as heck didn't say that she enjoyed being raped by Trump. She said it was violent. And I think what she was doing was contrasting the fact that what people think of as some sort of rape fantasy ain't what happened to her in Bergdorf Goodman's. But you know, Trump, Trump isn't even the only conservative with a weird habit of defending specifically child rape. Though in this case, in his case, he was defending grab him by the P word, which he says celebrities can do, and saying that E. Jean Carroll loved the thing he said he never did. But I want you guys to listen now to popular right wing podcaster Matt Walsh because he's got an even more disturbing take on things.
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Matt Walsh
Thirty years or so, we decided that that's way too young to start a family.
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Stephanie Miller
Why?
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Matt Walsh
And because now divorce rates would probably go up.
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Joy Reid
And once you're that young, you can't really make sure that, well, no girls are good.
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Matt Walsh
No, no, no, no, no, no.
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Joy Reid
Girls were getting married early and marriages were lasting longer. You very rarely hear about, like these, these relationships that go to their, what is it, your diamond anniversary, your 50th anniversary and all this. It's, that's a dying breed of people out there.
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Matt Walsh
Yeah. And those all were all people that got married very young. That's why, that's why they're still alive. Yeah. That's why you can have someone in their 70s who's celebrating their, you know, 55th wedding anniversary because they got married when they were teenagers. So what I'm saying is that the problem is not Per se. Teenage pregnancy, it's unwed pregnancy. That's the problem in society.
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Joy Reid
Fine.
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Matt Walsh
It's only problematic when, when, when you are not married and you don't have the man there to help you take care of the kids because he's a coward. And the reason why we have that now are for two reasons. Because we have, we have, in current society, we have ex. We live in the age of extended adolescence.
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Joy Reid
Thank you, Nate Jordan, for the 20 tip. Appreciate you. Yeah, that's weird. So Matt Walsh is like, the problem is not teenage girls getting pregnant. So the problem is the person raping the teenage girl. Because 16 is not the age of consent. I don't believe in any state in the union, but the person doing that, it doesn't marry her. If you marry her, it's fine. But you know, by the way, he doesn't always, he's always consistent. Let's just say Matt Walsh on when a child is a child. This is a 10. Listen to this. Slightly different take that he has parents at all. Yeah. There's not another thing that you can get gender affirming at 15. It's going to change your life like that. Yeah.
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Matt Walsh
And that might, that might change because they are, you know, they are changing the ideas of, of consent that we've all agreed to. We all understand, we all understand that children cannot consent even if they say yes to something. Not really consenting because they don't understand what they're doing. They don't have, they don't have a fully formed brain, you know, especially taking hormones.
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Joy Reid
Right. That aren't natural to your body at 15 years old.
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Matt Walsh
And you're, and you're, you're sterilizing the kid. They're not gonna be able to have kids in the future. And you could say all you want. Well, they, we told them that and they were okay with it. At 15. They were okay with it. I mean, you know, I, I had started having kids when I was 26. If you had asked me when I was 24, I would have said, no, I don't want, I don't want any kids. If society was different and that we stopped insisting that, that you're a kid until you're 25. And we, and we just deal with the reality that at about 16, you're an adult who is, who is mature and can make decisions. You are that at 16. I don't care what anybody says. And if you're gonna tell me it's different, well then how come for the first 10,000 years of human civilization that's the way it was. It's just recently where all of a sudden we're all retards until we're 25.
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Joy Reid
Look at that. It just depends on the situation. In the case of gender affirming care kids getting hormones, they are a kid and cannot make a sense. They cannot make decisions because they're fully don't have a fully formed brain. But when it comes to getting preggers having a baby, pushing a baby out at 16, they're an adult man. Yeah, you know, I'm starting to think that right wingers only believe that guys are children till they're in their 20s and 30s. Can, can we hear J.D. vance on this? Because I think they might.
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J.D. Vance
Enough of this bs.
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Joy Reid
We're not going to allow the worst moment and a 21 year old's group chat to ruin a kid's life for the rest of time. That's just not okay. Like we live in a digital world. This stuff is now etched in stone online. We're all going to have to say, you know what, no, no, no, we're not doing this. We're not canceling kids because they do something stupid in a group chat. And if I have to be the person who carries that message forward, I'm fine with Gotcha. So their kids, when they tweet or text I love Hitler, but they're an adult if you want to get them pregnant. But then they become a kid again if they want hormones because they're trans. It's so confusing. But I think, I think I've got it right now. They're just a kid when right wingers want to control something they're doing, but when they want to put a baby in them, adult. Let's continue this theme because it does seem to be unfortunately a theme in the Republican movement. Let's talk about Matt Gates, Matt Gates, Trump's original choice, if you recall, for Attorney General before he was forced to resign due to a sex scandal that was even worse than the one Pete Hagseth survived to get his job as defense secretary, which is how Pam Bondi got the job. Here's the Daily Beast headline. I'm just gonna read the story. Matt Gaetz's teen sex allegations take an horrific new twist. It's not on screen, but I'm gonna read it to you. Gut wrenching details about allegations of paying a 17 year old for sex that derailed Matt Gaetz's political career have finally been brought to light. The former Republican lawmaker was accused of taking advantage of a vulnerable 17 year old who lived in and out of homeless shelters, newly unsealed court documents show Gaetz has denied having sex with a 17 year old girl when he was in his 30s, but the allegation was enough to end his nomination as Donald Trump's Attorney general. Many of the details of the alleged of the allegations had, however, been secret until now. They are being revealed because a lawsuit from the McClatchy newspaper chain to have the files unsealed was upheld by a federal judge in Florida that allowed the woman's attorney, Laura B. Wolf, to disclose sickening details of the allegations of Gates having sex with the then 17 year old in 2017. So this young girl told the New York Times, or the lawyer told the New York Times that her client was still in high school when she met gates, working at McDonald's and saving up to buy braces to raise funds. Wolf said she signed up for a a sugar daddy website, a sugar daddy dating website which connects rich older men with young women. She lied about her age, claiming to be 18. It was on that site that Wolf's client met Joel Greenberg, an associate of Gates who is currently serving an 11 year prison sentence for sex crimes. Greenberg paid the teen for sex before allegedly introducing her to Gates. Gates, 43, is now married with a three month old son. He was an unmarried first term Congressman representing the ruby red Florida Panhandle when he was accused of paying for sex. Court documents alleged that Greenberg, after connecting with the girl online, invited her out to his boat. They did not have sex there, doc say, but he paid her 400 and gave her ecstasy to take home and try. The two met on eight other occasions to have sex before she turned 18, the unsealed court documents alleged. The Times reported that she was allegedly paid another $400 for their second meeting, which was at a hotel. It it said that Greenberg, then a county tax collector in the Orlando area, also used his personal credit card and his government card to pay the girl on future meetups. That doesn't seem very smart. The files alleged that Greenberg brought the teen to a party at another ex Florida lawmaker's house that had alcohol, cocaine, middle aged men and young attractive females, unquote. Gates, then 35, was at the gathering with a girlfriend, the Times reported. The women of the woman told congressional investigators that she danced and swam naked at the party. She also reportedly told the House Ethics Committee that she had sex with Gates twice that night, either on a pool table or an air hockey table. She also alleged that she witnessed the congressman using cocaine. It's a theme in the Republican Party at this point. Yeah. Which brings us back to Jeffrey Epstein. You know, since paying children for massages and sex was literally what he was doing, grooming girls, often from poor families in South Florida, literally taking them out of trailer parks. Ghislaine Maxwell. And he recruiting poor girls, mainly poor white girls, and sexually abusing these children himself and also trafficking them to his rich and powerful friends with the help of Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father, Robert Maxwell, was a Mossad connected multimillionaire. And by the way, Ghislaine Maxwell is the only person so far who's paid for those crimes, though she's not really paying that much since for some reason Trump moved her to a club fed cushy sort of place to serve her time. And he might even commute her sentence or even pardon her. And I feel like the thing that we have underestimated up to now is just how influential Jeffrey Epstein was and how connected he was and how those connections, plus his casual abuse of children and what he got away with for the entire time that he was best friends with Donald Trump, how all those things connected while he was doing the things he was doing. Because after he served the sentence for this look away case where he got to leave prison every day and go to work and then come back and sleep in the jail because Alex Acosta gave him that sweet deal and then got to be Donald Trump's Secretary of Transportation or Labor. Sorry, sorry, Secretary of Labor. Got rewarded for it. Then he continues to offend. He moves to New York, buys a beautiful mansion, and he's casually emailing with Prime Minister Ehud Barak. I've got a lot of these emails here. I spent a lot of today going through these emails. Here they are, they're on screen, but I've got a whole bunch of them here. I printed out a few of them. In this case, he's emailing literally with the former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. That's one of his email buddies. He's also casually emailing with Kensington palace, which presumably means he's emailing with Prince Andrew. He says, I will not come this week. Too many Trump issues. Trump issues. Anything new, exciting? Has Mr. Kiss come around? That was in 2016. That was just after the election. He said he had too many Trump issues to come. Hang out with Kensington. And in the year leading up to Trump's election, and all during and even after the campaign, Epstein was obsessing about Donald Trump. I read through these emails. A lot of them are about Donald Trump and it's him like Obsessively following the campaign, following all the developments, looking into everything that's happening. And you can tell that by the campaign, he's basically turned on, on Trump. He's kind of an anti Trumper in this at this point, which is probably why Republicans released those particular emails. They also have a lot of Clinton related stuff in them. It doesn't allege Clinton did anything criminal, but Clinton is mentioned in them. There's even one email where they talk about whether some tapes of Clinton on the island will, will turn up and whether that will take down his campaign. So he's like obsessing over the election, including emailing the former president of Harvard, Larry Summers, even emailing. I found one email with Soon Yi Previn.
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E. Jean Carroll
Do you remember her?
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Joy Reid
She is the young woman who married Woody Allen, even though Woody Allen was her stepfather. He raised her and then he married her. He was emailing with big finance guys from India, from Saudi Arabia even. It seemed like a member of the Saudi Royal Court. Like he was super connected. And he himself was a billionaire financier who people turned to to get help acquiring private banking accounts at JP Morgan. Even. Even after his guilty plea in Florida when according to his sentencing, he was literally a sex offender and he was still offending. So he's doing all these things, becoming a billionaire, getting properties. There's one point where he's trying to buy a plane from Qatar. And the guy he's emailing with was involved in Trump's purchase of a plane, which Jeffrey Epstein then later kind of craps on because he's like, he bought it through an LLC and he may not even own it. So you'll recall the email that we showed you on Wednesday between Epstein and Michael Wolf. Remember that one where Wolf advises him to leverage what he knows about Donald Trump? That's a 15. That one where he says, you've got this information, you should use it against him and just let him hang himself. If he derides, you know, if he derides you, if he goes after you, just hang him with it. What we also know is that by 2016, Fox was actually reaching out to him. Fox News, I like to put it in scare quotes. They were actually reaching out to Epstein's lawyer to see if he would talk about him. They're emailing back and forth with his attorney to see if he would actually talk. That's a 16. We can show it on screen. There it is. So they're emailing with the lawyer and saying, hey, would you reach out? We'd love to talk to him. We'd love to, to email with Jeffrey Epstein. We'd love to have an interview. And after Trump actually gets elected, then Epstein continues emailing, like continuously about Trump, including after a lawsuit is apparently filed naming not just Trump, but also him. And it says here, leave it on screen for a minute. It says, I was pointing out that the alleged rape that's alleged in this lawsuit was reported to be at my house with Donald and I raping her. This is an email that he's exchanging with a guy named Paul Krasner. Now, there are a bunch of emails with Paul Krasner, and I have not been able to determine who Paul Krasner is. There is a comedian who is now deceased whose name is Paul Krasner, but it's not clear who this Paul Krasner is. So we don't want to accuse anyone, but he emails a lot with this guy and he emails some stuff about some parties and stuff about him, but in this one, he's emailing about this rape allegation. I'm going to show you the, the filing here in which this allegation was made. In 2016, I can remember booking Lisa Bloom and attempting to book the person who was making this accusation back when I was doing my show, Am Joy, my weekend show. And the day we were supposed to talk to them, she bailed. The, the, the, the, the woman who was filing who had filed under Jane Doe because of fear and death threats. So this lawsuit actually kind of went away and she actually withdrew the lawsuit. She wound up withdrawing it. So the lawsuit never happened. But there was a lawsuit filed coming up in hour two. I'm going to read you a little bit of that lawsuit. It's harrowing stuff. But she made this lawsuit. She actually withdrew it not once, but twice. So she never actually goes through with it. But at a certain point, like, we were actually trying to book this person who is still anonymous. So this is all happening during the campaign. Jeffrey Epstein is obsessively following the campaign and every aspect of it. Now, after Trump gets elected, Epstein continues emailing about Trump, Right? Not just about the lawsuit, but he also emails Larry Summers, who again is the former president of Harvard and then becomes, what was he, Treasury Secretary, that he calls Trump the worst person he's ever known. He's the worst person that he's ever known. I've met many bad people, but none so bad as Trump. Not a decent sell in him. I mean, you gotta be pretty bad for a serial pedophile child rapist to say you're the worst person he's ever known. But despite that revelation that he has about Trump, he keeps emailing his powerful international friends about Trump. There's one email in April 2017 where somebody whose name has been redacted writes to Jeffrey Epstein about a potential book that would name the person which seems uncomfortable, this person seems uncomfortable with. And his suggestion is to highlight some of the things that Trump has gotten away with and that he says there may be something to the Russian connection allegations. And one of the things he mentions in his list of things that he's like highlight this instead. That is this person that's emailing Jeffrey Epstein is he mentions Trump 13 year old rape, referring to that very lawsuit that I just showed you. So that's weird. The other things, it's hard to tell. There's something about a lie about a Virginia college. There's other stuff in there. But this is, you know, it's interesting. Also interesting, that lawsuit has appeared again, hour two. I'll read you more of it. But anyway, now Trump becomes president. So now the election is over and Trump becomes president and Epstein continues emailing. He's still emailing about him, including. And that's the lawsuit. You can see it there. That's the actual lawsuit. And you can see it. When we heard about this, when I first was talking about this, we were thinking about it being a lawsuit against Trump. It was also against Epstein. And Epstein wasn't as well known at the time. People weren't really thinking about him at the time because Even though the 2008 thing had happened, he wasn't in our daily sort of conversations and news, but it was against both of them. So then Epstein is emailing about Trump and now let's go to 2018. Now Trump's been president for a hot minute and he emails with the then head of the Council of Europe about making contact with senior officials from Russia. Here's a quote from this email. I think you might suggest to Putin, he's emailing to this person that Lavrov, Sergei Lavrov, can get insight by talking to me. And he says to this person, and the person who's been emailing is a guy named Thorbjorn Jagland, who was the Human Rights Organization, the UN Secretary General at the time, the Council of Europe, I'm sorry, Human Rights Secretary General. And this is in June 24, 2018. And Putin and Lavrov at that time, and they still are the President and Foreign Minister respectively. And Yagon replies to this email that he would meet Lavrov's assistant the following day and would suggest a connection with Epstein. So he suggested that the head of the Council of Europe is saying, I will connect you with to Lavrov. And he says, thank you for a lovely evening. I'll come to UN High level week. And he's. There's a lot of spelling mistakes in. In the email. In the same exchange, Epstein referenced previous conversations that he himself had had with Russia's former UN Ambassador, who's a guy named Vitaly Churkin who actually died in 2017. And he says Churkin was great. He understood Trump. After our conversations, he. It is not complex. He must be seen to get something. It's that simple. Why is Jeffrey Epstein talking with Russia's former UN Ambassador and advising him how to deal with Trump? It's like he's trying to sort of manage the Trump Putin relationship. That's weird. That was June of 2018. Now go back a year before that, on May 9, 2017. So a year before, Donald Trump had fired James Comey, the FBI director who he's now trying to put in prison that Pam Bondi's outfit indicted. He fired Comey because of the FBI investigation into Russiagate. He wanted him to stop investigating the potential connections between his 2016 campaign, which had been roiled by the grab him by the P word tape, which had been roiled by all these sexual abuse allegations, and which is also ruled by all these questions about whether his campaign was cooperating with Russia or allowing Russia to help him. He ends up firing him, meaning that Russia. He ends up kicking him out of the White House. And the day after he fired Comey, he fires him on May 9th. And on May 10th, literally the next day, Trump invites Sergei Lavrov, who, by the way, is widely believed to act as a Russian spy. He invites him not just to the White House, but into the White House. He goes into the Oval with only Russian observers present. In fact, it was the Russians who wound up releasing photos of the event. There it is. The Russian side releases that photo. He brings him into the White House literally the day after he fires the guy who investigated Russiagate. And during that meeting, Trump reportedly handed the Russians classified information about a U.S. ally. You want to guess which ally? Go on chat. You can guess. Israel. Israel who? Epstein also sent a lot of emails about. About whether they should meet with Modi about what's going. He had a lot of thoughts on Israel and on the US Opinions toward Israel. So Trump hands over classified info about Israel to the Russians. So Trump fires the FBI director who'd been looking into Russia's election interference to help him get elected. And then he's got the smoother relationship with Russia that Epstein is also seeming to try to offer Russia advice on how to accomplish. And then by July of 2018. So with all that background now, you have all that background. Now let's go back to 2018. This is a.23A. This is.
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Donald Trump
People came to me. Dan Coates came to me and some others. They said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin. He just said, it's not Russia. I will say this. I don't see any reason why it would be. I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. And what he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators. With respect to the 12 people, I think think that's an incredible.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, okay. He. He denies the US 16 intelligence services who say, yeah, Russia attempted to interfere in the election. Remember, this was Robert Mueller that ends up leading this investigation. They're like, yes, Russia attempted to interfere in the election, and their goal was to help Donald Trump. He says, I don't think he would be. And then he comes back. Remember, this is still Trump with normal people around him. He then tries to walk it back. Here he is trying to walk it back.
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Donald Trump
Recently, I returned from Helsinki, Finland, and I was going to give a news conference over the next couple of days about the tremendous success, because as successful as NATO was, I think this was our most successful visit. And that had to do, as, you know, with Russia. I met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in an attempt to tackle some of the most pressing issues facing human humanity. We have never been in a worse relationship with Russia than we are as of a few days ago. And I think that's gotten substantially better. And I think it has the possibility of getting much better. And I used to talk about this during the campaign. Getting along with Russia would be a good thing. Getting along with China would be a good thing, not a bad thing. A good thing. In fact, a very good thing. We're nuclear powers, great nuclear powers. Russia and US have 90% of the nuclear weapons. So I've always felt getting along is a positive thing and not just for that reason. I entered the meeting with the firm conviction that diplomacy and engagement is better than hostility and conflict. And I feel that with Everybody. We have 29 members in NATO as an example. And I have great relationships, or at least very good relationships with everybody. The press covered it quite inaccurately. They said, I insulted people. Well, if asking for people to pay up money that they are supposed to pay is insulting, maybe I did. But I can tell you, when I left, everybody was thrilled. And that's the way this was, too. My meeting with President Putin was really interesting in so many different ways because we haven't had relationships with Russia for a long time. All right, begin by stating that.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, and he says that basically he was misquoted and that he actually meant to say shouldn't, not should. I'm going to, I'm going to pause it there because we're going to go. We have a guest coming in. I'm going to pause it there. And in the next hour, I'm going to finish this thought because I have many, many questions. But let's, let's really quickly pay some bills, Jason. Then we're going to bring in our guests. This podcast is supported by the Defending Our Neighbors Fund. Across the country, immigrants are facing family separation, wrongful detention and deportation without due process or even access to legal support. In 2024 alone, there were more than 2.5 million immigration court cases without legal representation. That means millions of people were denied the most basic protection that we expect from our justice system, the right to a fair process. Powered by people like you. The Defending Our Neighbors Fund is providing access to life saving legal aid to families in crisis. But they urgently need your help to meet the unprecedented demand. The government is pouring billions of taxpayer dollars into enforcement while slashing funding or legal aid that makes your support more urgent than ever. Help defend your neighbors and keep families together. Donate now at defending our neighbors.org fund stuff and the Epstein stuff in our next hour. But right now I want to move on to a really great guest. In his his new book called the Jailhouse Lawyer, co authored with Sophie Call, Calvin Duncan describes the many failures of the legal system which landed him in prison for a crime he didn't commit after he was falsely identified in a New Orleans shooting, convicted and sentenced to life in prison. The book chronicles his relentless fight to free himself while learning about the law so that he could seek justice for himself and hundreds of other prisoners. And Calvin Duncan joins me now. Calvin, thanks for being here.
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Calvin Duncan
Thank you, Sona.
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Joy Reid
So let's start with the case. Talk about how you wound up in prison and when did this happen.
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Calvin Duncan
So at that, When I was 19, New Orleans had indicted me. The government proposition was that I committed a murder that I didn't commit and they were seeking to have imposed the death penalty. I was 19 at the time. It was in I Was arrested in Oregon. I was in the job Corps and then extradited to New Orleans to stand trial. And once I got to New Orleans jail, everybody was telling me that I was going to get the death penalty. Not even knowing the facts of my case, other than the fact that they had the same lawyers. Some of those guys had had the death penalty. They had the same lawyers that I had, same judge and same prosecutor. And it was like, your lawyer's not going to come see you, so you're gonna get executed, you're gonna get the death penalty. Then my, my question was, well, how can I help myself? And he's one of those guys in the book it talks about Big Duggar. He said, you got to become a lawyer. At that time I only had between the 8th and 9th grade education and that's when I started studying law and I fell in love with law.
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Joy Reid
And you taught yourself, as you said, you sort of became like a, almost like a jailhouse lawyer, they say taught yourself the law, but, but also helped other members of, of, of your community inside of that space. And also got help from the Innocence Project. Talk about how you were able to be released because there was a witness in the case that their witness testimony was not reliable. There was other things that actually proved your, your innocence.
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Calvin Duncan
Yeah, it was a bouch robbery. The young lady witnessed her boyfriend being killed and they didn't have any suspects. And my name came up and she misidentified, you know, my picture. But at trial they presented to the jury as if she had positively identified my picture. But the problem that I faced in a lot of other guys that had already, that was, had already been convicted and also was innocent was that we couldn't get our documents from the same court that had prosecuted us. We would write letters. Even if I would write letters, they would write letters. I would write letters on their behalf just to try to get the documents to prove our innocent. And, and we never could get it. But then it was a third year law student named Emily Bolton. She came to Louisiana State Penitentiary and we explained to her that we could get our records. And she promised that once she graduated, she was going to actually come back to help us. So to back up, I went to trial. My lawyers came to see me the night before my trial and they actually just came to see me to see if I had a co. A suit to wear. And then they left. The next day I would try. The government position was that I should be killed. But the jury rejected the death penalty and I was sentenced to serve the remainder of my life in prison. And while in prison, I became what is known as a jailhouse lawyer. Because in Louisiana, we're not entitled to a lawyer after the appeal stage. And so we only the institution would train us, give us some legal, some lawyer education to help other people to stand in and function just like lawyers, but without the education and the degree. And one of my jobs for 19 years at Angola was people that had actually been sentenced to Louisiana.
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Joy Reid
Wow. It is a deep story. Unfortunately, not an uncommon one in this country. You went into prison at 19, you came out at 60?
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Calvin Duncan
No, I came out at 47. When I came out, I immediately. I can't. I got out on a Friday. I got out on a Friday, 2000, January 7, 2011. That Tuesday, I was on two lane campus trying to figure out how to get go to law school. And so at. At 57, after I had obtained my bachelor's degree, my associate degree, and bachelor's degree, I immediately enrolled in law school, Lewis and Clark. And at the age of 57, at age of 60, I received my JD from Lewis and Clark. And recently, in May of this year, I received an honorary degree from Loyola and was the commencement speaker.
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Joy Reid
And so you're now running for office. You're running for clerk of the court in the same New Orleans district that once denied you access to your records. Tell me what inspired you to run other than your incredible life story.
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Calvin Duncan
So the life story is the reason why I'm running, not being able to get my records to prove my innocence.
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Joy Reid
And.
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Calvin Duncan
And when I finally get the help to get the records, they told me that I was procedurally barred. So when I got out of prison, I immediately started trying to help other guys, other people that was in prison, get access to their records, and I couldn't. And New Orleans is the only court in this whole state where it's difficult to get our records. So immediately I said, when this position become available, I was going to run for office, but I had to first be qualified. That is, I had to go get my education. And I did just that. So I graduated from Lewis and Clark with my JD in 2023. I came back home, continue to help people, people to get access to their records, which was a difficult task here in New Orleans. And besides, Louisiana is the incarceration capital of the world, and most of the people actually come from New Orleans. So once my book was released on the Thursday somewhere, sometime in July, the following day, I real. I learned that the position was open and I immediately qualified to run for office to make sure that what happened to me don't happen to nobody else. And right after I qualified and started running this, this race, we learned that they had dumped some, a lot of the court records in the landfill. Just dumped them.
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Joy Reid
Dumped them in a landfill. Is that even legal?
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Calvin Duncan
No, it's not actually dumping those records. Is that the people records that was dumped in the landfill? Those people going to die in prison because now we can't get access to their records.
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E. Jean Carroll
Wow.
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Calvin Duncan
So that's why I got in this race is to make sure that what happened to me and what was happening to the rest of the people in prison, though not. It doesn't, it never would happen again. Especially once I'm elected. If it's God will that I am elected tomorrow.
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Joy Reid
Can you talk about some of the things that you missed out on and lost while you were in prison?
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Calvin Duncan
Well, I missed on a lot. I, I, I, I, I wasn't there to raise my daughter. You know, my do. First time I helped my daughter, she was, she was like three months old. I wasn't there for my sister when she needed me because it was my sister. And I, I wasn't there with my, with, with my aunt to comfort her when she was dying and a whole lot of other things that normal people would live. I couldn't be an uncle to my niece and nephews. I couldn't be that son to my aunt that raised me. I missed out on a lot of things. I missed out on just being a kid, just going to school and experiencing college like a young person would experience and going to law school and experience it like a young person would experience. But I'm grateful that I was able to eventually do that.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. Are you in touch with some of the people that you were incarcerated with and, and continuing to assist them?
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Calvin Duncan
Yes, I'm very much in, in touch with them. As a matter of fact, we had a law in Louisiana that allowed people to be convicted when all of the jurors didn't agree, called the non unanimous jury verdict. And in that case was Ramos vs. Louisiana. What I would do is go back to the prison. I would find people that actually wasn't convicted by unanimous jury. And then once I learned about those cases, I would seek pro bono assistance from the Promise of Justice Initiative here in New Orleans to find pro bono lawyers to actually litigate the case to United States Supreme Court. Because we had a case called Abadaka that said that it was okay for the people in Louisiana and Oregon to be convicted despite all of the jurors did not agree So I explained. I'm bringing that up to. So that I constantly go back to the prison to help people, provide the legal systems that they. That, that, that, that. That a lawyer would provide. But we're not entitled to a lawyer.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. My exit question to you, you said Louisiana is the incarceration capital of the world. And now to include taking people that ICE is snatching off the streets in other states and locking them up there. Do you believe that Louisiana is this way? Particularly your governor right now is a horrible human being? I would say this is my personal opinion. It's almost as if they want to use that labor as. I mean, you use prisoners as labor, right? Like slave labor.
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Calvin Duncan
Yes. So. So the unfortunate reality here in Louisiana is that we re. We use human beings to provide jobs. The more people you lock up, the more jobs you provide. Like at Louisiana State Penitentiary, it's because of a lot of people that's incarcerated. That is a lot of jobs. And so any kind of way that they could use human beings, whether it's us, whether it's kids, whether it's the people that came to this country to find a better life, we. We have a history here. And especially.
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Joy Reid
Oh, I think he's freezing. Let's see if he unfreezes, because I want to know his website. Come on. Calvin's Internet. Okay, you're back. Yeah, go ahead. We got you. So no, Calvin, if you can. If you can come back in, hopefully you will unfreeze. I think your Internet might be a bit choppy, but if you do unfreeze, we really want to get your website. Give us your website. And when is the race?
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Calvin Duncan
The race is tomorrow. The election is tomorrow. So I would like for people to donate the CalvinForClerk.com we need the donations to do this. The women's race. And we would like to send a message to Louisiana, especially the New Orleans people, to go out and vote.
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Joy Reid
That sounds like a plan. Calvin. Clerk.com. we're going to put that in the description here. I'm going to put on the substack as well. Calvin, we really wish you the best. Calvin Duncan, what a heroic thing you're doing for other people. And thank you for giving back to the community despite all that you have been through. Thank you, Calvin. Thank you. All right, we're going to make sure that we put that link in there. Calvin's Internet was not wanting to let him be great, but he is great. And I think that he. He should win. He deserves to win. And isn't it interesting that Calvin served From age he said from 19 to 47 for a crime he did not commit. Donald Trump is a 37 count felon and he was sentenced to no time because it was seen as too controversial to put him in prison for his crimes. He was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll. That was a civil case. There was no jail time even on the table. Jeffrey Epstein, we're going to talk about this more in hour two. Railed against the fact that he was convicted in a state case for trafficking. They used the sort of man act style trafficking laws against him. But he only served a very short sentence and was able to go to work every day and be driven by Florida sheriffs to work every day like they were his chauffeurs. He had a very. But he was still mad about that. There is definitely unequal justice in this country. Ghislaine Maxwell, who did get 20 years for sex trafficking and abuse, she's trying to get her sentence commuted or overturned outright because these people don't believe that they ought to have to pay for their crimes. It's disgusting. And people like Calvin pay for things they didn't even do. And yet look at his spirit in terms of believing that he can help other people and he is trying to help others by running for county clerk. Many thanks to wonderdog999 in the till. We appreciate it. Thank you very much. We always appreciate everybody's generosity and kindness. We love our chats. The chats are great. The chats are actually loving Calvin. Make sure that you do go to Calvin for clerk.com and you can actually take that. Take those coins and put them in his till because we do want. We got a super sticker for wonder dog because you deserve it. This is the kind of person that we should be electing in this country. We have a lot of elections in which people say they have to vote for the lesser of two evils. They're not happy with their choices. In this case you have a great choice. Somebody who has actually served time, who knows the power of this clerk ship. He knows the power of this office and is just the right person, I believe New Orleans that you should choose because he will actually work for the people. By the way, I don't know whether any lawyers besides Calvin in Louisiana might want to do a class action lawsuit on behalf of the people incarcerated in Angola. If the clerk is dumping the records that could could free people into a landfill. That sounds like something you should sue over. If we had a justice Department, it sounds like something you'd want to report to it, but we don't have a Justice Department anymore. We have Pamela Joe, whose outfit is only there to go after Donald Trump's named enemies, including James, James Comey, for whatever reason. Let's get back to what we were talking about regarding what Trump was doing. We have a really great guest coming up in this hour. At the bottom of the hour, we're gonna be speaking with my friend Stephanie Miller, the top rated morning show host who gave Sean Hannity the business. And so I literally texted her immediately, like, please, please, please come on the show. We can talk about her giving Sean business. We also have a great guest who's in a really terrific film that Sean, our very core team member, called me about and was like, this movie, you've got to see this movie. It is an incredible movie. She told me about it. The movie is called Sarah's Oil. We're going to talk to the star of that film at the end of the show. But before we get to that, I want to welcome everybody to hour two of the Joy Reed Show. Thank you all for tuning in. Be sure to hit like and subscribe. If you are there watching right now, hit that little thumbs up button. That means you like hit the little subscribe button. We hit 350,000 subscribers today. It is a great milestone. We're trying to get to 500,000. We are. Thank you very much. We're trying to get 500,000 by my birthday. My birthday is December 8. Thank you to is this Shenita A Aua Benjamin, 9.99 in the till. We appreciate that. Thank you very much for that. But I want to go back, Jason, if we could, I want to go to a 25 because I want to go back to these emails. Just if you missed the top of the show. We've been talking about the power that Jeffrey Epstein was wielding and the influence that he had. I mean, he's emailing secretaries of, he's emailing former Israeli prime ministers. He's advising on ways that the Russians can influence Donald Trump and be influential with Donald Trump. And if you go down to May 30th of 2019, now we're going to 2019. We went all through 2018. Jason, if you could leave that up for a minute, make it big because I'm looking at it on this screen, if you don't mind. May 30, 2019, just two months before Epstein, who is this high flying, very connected billionaire investor. He's got Lex Wexner, who is the guy who owns Limited, which is Victoria's Secret. He's got all of these amazing clients. He's recommending people to chase. He sends an email on May 30, 2019. This is just two months before he himself gets indicted by Bill Barr, by the way, whose father hired him to teach in that Tony school in Manhattan. He sends an email and exchanges these emails with Michael Wolf. It is the same Michael Wolf who he was sending, who sent him an email before the election was completed, telling him that there's a way that he could wield influence by banking the information he had about Donald Trump and quote, unquote, letting, letting him hang with it, hanging him with it. So he sends this email to Michael Wolf in which I'm gonna try to hold on. I have put my glasses on so I can see it. Jason, keep it up there. Come put glasses on so I can see it up close. And he talks about, he says a guy named Salvador Mundy, the last known da Vinci, who, who owns the last known da Vinci painting in private hands, has an incredible provenance. A guy named Rybolev, who is a Russian oligarch, purchased this piece of art for $127 million in 2013 through his art dealer, the Swiss businessman Yves Bouvier. Bouvier, the owner and operator of several freeports, bought the painting for $50 million with the intention of selling it to Rybolev at a steep profit. Its owner before Bouvier, the New York City based gallerist Robert Simon, found the painting at an estate auction in New Orleans in 2005, and he paid only $10,000 for it. So then Michael Wolf asks him, you have an art guy. And. And he responds, well, who doesn't? And he says, in addition to my art and the painting, the painting wasn't very good. So he says, so he's talking about this painting. He then goes into the fact that Donald Trump ends up flipping a home that they were both interested in. We can go to Jeffrey Epstein, art guy, email number two. And this, remember, he's going back and forth and then he says, let me go back here. He says, on the subject of them flipping this artwork, he talks about maybe what Trump is doing, or maybe what this ribbon is doing is a favor to Trump in exchange for Yemen and Iran support. And he says, it smells, doesn't it? That's what Michael Wolf says. I mean, that's what he says. Then Michael Wolf says, so maybe MBS Mohammed bin Salman was paying him off. Why? Ideas, he says, is it a coincidence that the Russian that Bought the house in Palm beach because he segues from talking about the art to the house that they both wanted. I'm gonna talk about this more in a minute. In Palm Beach. Is it a coincidence that the Russian that bought the house in Palm beach and knows all is the same guy that sold a painting last year to MBS for $450 million that was only worth 1.5 million? So I'm reading them in reverse. So he says, is it a coincidence he talks about this painting that is the last known major piece in private hands. This guy buys the painting for $450 million, then he sells it for. Only he sells it to Mohammed bin Salman. That's who MBS is, $450 million. But the painting was only worth $1.5 million. And he says, is that a coincidence that the Russian who bought the house, who bought that painting and bought the house, who knows everything, is the same guy that did that, that does this transaction with mbs? And then the response from Michael Wolf is, so MBS was paying him off. Why? Ideas. And then Michael, Jeffrey Epstein says, maybe as a favor to Trump in exchange for Yemen and Iran support smells, doesn't it? So he's sort of speculating about corruption. He's speculating about corruption. That is in May, where he's sort of speculating with Michael Wolf, who's, you know, talking to him all the time and ostensibly writing a book about him that has not yet come out. But then a few months earlier, go back now to February, Epstein doesn't really seem so confident. And this is where I want to read you guys this long, really kind of whiny email that Jeffrey Epstein sends to himself. He actually sends this email to himself. And now I gotta put my glasses on. Come read this. And I'm reading this email because it is very interesting. If this is Jeffrey Epstein in February, this is the same year he winds up getting indicted by Bill Barr's doj. Again, Bill Barr being the guy whose father hired him initially to be a math teacher. Then Trump turns on him. He was, you know, he's still trying to sort of advise on how to deal with the Russians and MbS. He still seems to be a player. But in February, he writes this very whiny email. Is the email. It's on your screen. And he responds to the own. I'm going to tell you how he responds. He says, prostitution is a state crime. This is what he writes to himself on February 1st. Never before a man in his own house charged with soliciting exclamation point. In Florida, first offenders are required to take a sex ed class and get pretrial diversion. No criminal record. There was a felony solicitation for the third offense. All caps. Third, the grand jury was held and they found me guilty of one count of felony solicitation because there were many girls. Mandatory diversion sentence. Four exclamation points. A grand jury usually only for capital murder cases. Ricard C. And Ryder Police chief. He's naming these people pulled my garbage for months and surveilled the house, letting all the girls come and go, question mark per exclamation point. Called the FBI. They did not like the grand jury result and released to the press the raw sewage of police interviews. I. E. No girl was cross examined ever. He says unheard of. The girls returned to the house multiple times for $200 for a rub and tug. No sex. Some worked in the local massage parlors. He has a spelling error that he puts a low CAC but he means local massage parlors. Most in their mid 20s. There is only press stories told my strippers of me buying my girlfriends from Slovakia from her parents. His grammar is terrible. Girls under 15 all made up to get press. FBI puts a task force together title Operation Leap Year to investigate my personal massage activity nuts, interviews, my chiropractor, medical info, etc. Then he goes, and there's a redacted bit here, but the assumption here is he's talking about Virginia Giuffre, who was the first accuser to go forward, to come out, to come forward. And she said, and I think this is Virginia Giuffre, worked at Mar? A Lago. Trump knew of it and came to my house many times during that period. The testimony of the houseman, John Alessi, confirmed it. Speaking of Trump, now, he says he never got a massage. Abe Grossman, a friend of mine, ran into financial difficulty with assisted living homes. His home was listed at $45 million with no takers. For months on end, he and I agreed to a price of $30 million. His wife, who they black out her name, ends up going to jail for lying on the bankruptcy trustee. Lying to the bankruptcy trustee about her jewelry. This is in the summer of 04, meaning 2004. And then he says, I became the stocking horse bidder at 36 million, I. E. If someone bid higher, I would receive a fee. And this is where we get back to Trump and the very expensive painting. Because now this is the same guy involved in the house. Okay, here we go. Trump buys the house at the telephone auction. Only Me, Trump and his friend Pulte, the developer Pulte, who's now the guy who is referring Lisa Cook, Tish James and others. He comes from the Pulte real estate development fortune. That's the same guy referring all these people for mortgage fraud. Pulte. So he's the third person in this transaction. So he says only me, Trump and his friend Pulte, the developer apparently knew about it. He quickly puts it on the market. Trump for $125 million serves the purpose of a justification for a high sale later and no one will touch it. Is it bought in the name of Trump Properties? It is bought in the name of Trump Properties llc. No idea who owns it or what else it. And then he puts in quotation marks. Owns, turn on my fan. Three years later, 08, he sells it to this guy Rybuliev for approximately $100 million. He should have had a 50 million plus capital gain. He tells people and press he spent 20 to 30 million to fix it up. That would justify a reduction in capital gains. Key question, how did he report the sale if he did it all on his.08 tax return? He has no money when he buys the house. His business model is putting his name on real estate developments and he gets a fee for using his name. The hotel biz is just that. Someone else buys the hotel hoping to make a profit from its operation and eventual sale. Trump put his name on it and get a 2% fee, Red Grammar and maybe a piece of the profit, if any, on sale. He touts the project as his, just as his current financial statements on file as president. He lists his quote unquote income. He puts that in quotes as the gross receipts. He puts gross in all caps of the clubs with no expenses deducted. Not his personal revenue. That is the Doral Golf Club loses money every year. It pays out more than it takes in, but he lists the revenue as his income. Then he puts in all caps. Amazing. So it does seem like Jeffrey Epstein was keeping notes on what Trump was doing in his business and sending those notes to himself. Why? I don't know. Why was Jeffrey Epstein so interested in what Donald Trump was doing financially to the point where he sent himself a letter and he responds to his own email that he sends to himself on February 1st. On February 1st, 2001, he sends this letter and then he forwards the letter to Michael Wolf. The letter that I that he sent to himself, he sends it to himself first, it's from Jeffrey Epstein to Jeffrey Epstein. And then he forwards the letter to Michael Wolf and what he says in the forward. Have fun. Michael Wolf, remember, advised Jeffrey Epstein In 2016, you got something on Trump, hold onto it and use it as leverage when you need it. This is the February before he gets indicted. He gets indicted in July. And he is forwarding what sure looks like at least his interpretation of receipts about Donald Trump's business dealings and about this transaction. Because remember, we've been told that what made them fall out was this home where now he's explaining it where he had a friend that was down on his luck. He offers to buy the house. Trump beats him to it. Only he, Pulte and Epstein, the three of them, Trump, Pulte and Epstein, the only ones who know about this. The guy's wife gets in trouble for lying on the bankruptcy forms and he needs to sell a house. Trump buys it and flips it to the same Russian that's buying expensive art and flipping it. There's some weird stuff, and it seems like Jeffrey Epstein kind of knew weird stuff about Trump, right? It's weird. It's just weird. I don't know what to make of it, and I need to read through more, but it's very interesting. And so my question, it's all weird and creepy, right? But with all of this, to me, what I wonder, reading through all of the stuff that I've been reading today is did Jeffrey Epstein have something on Donald Trump? Like something really concrete on him? Because all of that is about his finances and stuff he's buying and art, he's buying and selling and downsy, did he have something more on him? I mean, why, after all of the decades when he was raping and trafficking girls and getting away with it and still being toasted by the high and mighty, why was he suddenly brought down in July of 2019 by Trump's own Justice Department when he was literally still referring high clients to JP Morgan? What changed? Why the whiny email in February and then in May? He's still talking about how to leverage sort of the Rush relationship. What's going on with that relationship? Were they enemies? Were they friends? Were they now enemies? What was his tack on Donald Trump? What did he think he was going to get out of Donald Trump, out of the relationship he used to have with Donald Trump? And why was Trump feeling so free to court Putin in Russia after getting rid of Comey? And I'm sorry, why is he trying to get Comey indicted now? Epstein wasn't just some ordinary billionaire donor. He was leveraging his knowledge of Trump with other billionaires around the world and to Michael Wolff. And Trump responded by betraying a country that Epstein heavily favored, namely Israel, with the Russians. I don't know about you, but it does make me wonder, could Jeffrey Epstein have been trying to blackmail Trump? Could he have had the goal of blackmailing Trump? Did Comey uncover something about that relationship that is the reason why Trump is so keen to prosecute him now? Is that why he fired him? Is that why Bill Barr wrote to Trump begging to be his attorney general, knowing that he could solve this Jeffrey Epstein problem, that he would rid him of this meddlesome pedophile? I mean, there's some real intrigue here that goes all the way back to the fact that in the 1980s, Trump was alleged by some in the kind of intell adjacent world. We used to have people on my weekend show that talked about the allegations that Trump was a Russian asset. People at the time believed that Donald Trump and Ivana Trump, his first wife, who was from Czechoslovakia, was like, turned by the Kremlin, you know, or, I'm sorry, by the kgb, like way back when they first were married. That's just an allegation. Trump has never admitted to that, but he definitely seems sweet on Russia. And allegedly he was urged by them at the time because they knew he was a needy businessman who flattery would work on. He was just the kind of person the Kremlin would love to target. Malcolm Nance used to say this all the time, but he didn't. And they would urge him, you should run for president, but he didn't actually do it. He threatened to do it in 2012, but he only did it in 2016. And it was very clear that at that time, Russia was determined to. To help him win at all costs, because if anything, we knew Hillary Clinton was a deeply anti Russia war hawk. And so getting Trump in seems to be very important to the Russians. That's why we have the Mueller report. But the challenge for them was that Donald Trump was not a perfect candidate. He had all these allegations from women, 26 accusers. Plus he had that lawsuit at the time, which no one knew how that was going to go. But someone filed a lawsuit naming Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, saying that she was raped at 13 by them, which, of course, Trump denies. But this was filed the year he's running for president. Donald Trump winds up paying off Stormy Daniels that same year to try to hide the allegations of that affair. All of that had to be quieted down so that Donald Trump could become president. And if you're Russia You've got to get over all of those hurdles to make sure he gets in, because for whatever reason, you prefer him over Hillary Clinton. I also, having read through all this stuff, I want to know what did Trump take home from the White House in terms of classified documents? Like, what did he take? What was he going to do with whatever he took? What was he looking for? What was in those boxes he called so precious? Why was he so determined to have them? Why did he hide them in his bathroom? Why did he hide them in his ballroom rather than putting them in an archive somewhere or some special place where you would put precious documents? I mean, he did put some things that he thought were precious to him on display at his golf clubs. So why didn't he do that with whatever this was? Why weren't they in some special file? Why are they in the bathroom in boxes? Why were they so hurriedly taken? Why was Donald Trump. And why do we have, like, a ringer judge that kind of made that case go away? Aileen. What's her last name? Judge Aileen Cannon. Aileen Cannon. Like, why did that. That case seemed to be really important. It just, poof, went away. Right? And now why is Trump trying to, like, prosecute Jack Smith and James Comey? Why did he pardon Rudy Giuliani and everyone involved in January 6th? Why was he so determined to stay in office after he lost? Why was he so determined to stay in office that he was willing to try to overthrow the government? He doesn't seem to enjoy the job of being president. He doesn't work hard. He spends most of his time golfing. But he seems really determined to be president again. Why? To stay in office. Why? Why was Mike Johnson, by the way, so determined to keep Trump in the White House? And Mike Johnson, who was the leading House member pushing to overturn the election and who now seems daggone determined to suppress the Epstein files for some reason, which, by the way, those 23,000 emails or whatever the Republicans released, that is a small portion of what's out there. And they really tried to find things with the word Clinton in them. But the stuff with Clinton in it isn't really that damning. It's stuff you already knew, but they really tried. Y' all heard that Great Britain is no longer sharing intel with us. I mean, there. It's because, obviously, of Donald Trump murking fishermen in the Caribbean Sea and in the Pacific. They don't want any part of it. They don't want to be implicated in war crimes or in crimes against humanity. I believe Columbia is also. They're just not sharing intel with us. The Atlantic sort of intel. They're like, nope, we're not sharing intel with you, but why would you. Donald Trump gave Lavrov classified data about Israel in a closed Oval Office where there was nobody in there, no Americans in there. These are just things that I wonder, you know, these are the things that I wonder about, rather than, I don't know, questioning whether Jeffrey Epstein was actually a real child molester. Megan. Because I think there are more. There are pressing questions, because he clearly was a child molester, but he was also more than that. He was also doing, like a weird sort of soft diplomacy thing until suddenly he was, like, sending intel on Trump to himself. And then he gets indicted and then he gets dead within a month of the indictment. He didn't live even a month. It does make you wonder if that death was really by his own hand, because he was a problem. He was a problem. No matter how you. No matter how you look at it, he was a problem. And he kept talking about Trump. He kept talking about the scandals involving him and Trump. He kept bringing up. He himself is bringing up the lawsuit. He's talking about him. He's a problem. He knows things about Trump, even if they're not friends anymore and they fell out. They used to be friends. They were friends for a really long time. Trump used to say, you know, he's a great guy, really fun to be with. I know he likes women on the younger side. And there's a lot of Republicans who seem to like women on the younger side. Some of them aren't even women. They're just girls. They're kids. Let's play this other guy who was involved in the. He. He shows up, too. He's somebody that Jeffrey Epstein knew, and he seems to have some thoughts about things.
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J.D. Vance
Will tell you right now, as God is my witness, if we lose the midterms and we lose 20, 28, some in this room are going to prison, myself included. They're not going to stop. They are getting more and more and more radical, and we have to counter that. And what do we have to counter it with? We have to counter it with more action, more intense action, more urgency. We're burning daylight. If you look across every aspect of this, we have to codify what President Trump has done by executive order, right? We have to codify it. And people say, well, they're just going to be messing with Bill Senate. We've got to put aside these structural barriers and get on with it. President Trump today gave to the Senate when they came over for breakfast, even Lindsey Graham, some of the guys he liked, and some of these institutions. I understand this is a very tough decision to make and you're going to see some people in the conservative movement movement that not in a million years because I talked to him today, quite frankly. I had Hawley on the show this morning, Josh Hawley, and he's talking about it and I'm trying to play the institution. Well, well, they called me up this afternoon and said let's go through the 10 reasons we need to do it. And these are heavy hitters on what I would call the constitutional limited government constitutionalist in our movement. And they're about to come out over the next couple days and make this argument because I said, look, we have to understand that if we don't take this to the maximum, a maximalist strategy now with a sense of urgency and in doing this, seize the institutions. If we don't do that now, we're going to lose this chance forever because you're never going to have another Trump. Right? You're just not going to have it.
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Joy Reid
That's true. You're never going to have another Trump. But why are they so desperate to take control of all of the federal. Why are they so desperate to do that? Let me just Read this again. April 2, 2011 to GMAX, meaning Ghislaine Maxwell. I want you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump victim Virginia Giuffre spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned. Police chief, et cetera. I'm 75% there. 75% where I think you should let him hang himself. 12, 16, 2015 Michael Wolf to Jeffrey Epstein. If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house, then that gives you a valuable PR and political currency. You can bring him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit from you. He was trying to make a positive benefit. Here's how I can massage things with Russia or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that when asked he'll say Jeffrey's a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness which will be outlawed in a Trump regime. What was the debt? Let's move on to our our next topic. It's interesting stuff. It definitely makes me wonder about that, about how he died. So speaking of the Jeffrey, of the Jeffrey Epstein saga, my fave morning show host who I I love to listen to on my way to take Nala the dog to daycare. Yes, Dog goes to daycare. I know. She, she is great. And one of the things that she confronted on the, the old Fox News is that they're not covering the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. They're. They're just not covering it. Apparently the chat likes my glasses. I'm gonna keep the glasses on, Jason, for a little while. I, I have them because I can't see.
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Calvin Duncan
Can you see right now? You see the camera in front of you?
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Joy Reid
I can, I, I can see I'm looking off sideways now. Yeah. These are for reading. They're for reading. But I, I put them on when I have to read a thing. When I have to read it. When I have to read words that are on a paper rather than in front of me. I put them on because they're, you know, they're, I think they're, I think they're fresh. They're cute now. They're cute. Just make sure you can see straight.
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Calvin Duncan
Don't get cross eyed on us.
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Joy Reid
Yes, amen. There we go. But the reality is you said don't go ca on. You definitely don't do cast. Don't do a cast. Yeah. Fox is in a quandary. There is an email that, that is in this set of files, this batch of files in which they are actually reaching out to Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer, trying to actually, you know, cover the case and do some journalism. But right now, I don't know if they're still having a blackout on this because they're trying to say, use Donald Trump's talking point that he kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of Mar a Lago in 2008 because he was a creep. But Jeffrey Epstein says right here, on January 31, 2019, the year that he died, Trump said, he asked me to resign. Never a member, ever. And that's easy enough to find. You could subpoena, if we had a Justice Department, they could subpoena the records of who's been a member of Mar a Lago and see if Jeffrey Epstein ever was one. He says he never was. So you can't kick somebody out of something they were never a member of. And he said, I want no member. And in that same email, he says, of course he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop. These are the things that a normal news outlet would cover, but they're in a quandary because they're part of the cult and they are the favored news outlet of the cult. And so they can't Confront the culture with the truth about Trump because it would upset them. In comes Stephanie Miller. Stephanie Miller, who is a comedienne, an author. She has a great book called Sexy Liberal of Me, I Sing, which you can also get in the Joy Reid store in the shop. She's great. And she goes on. And this is how she opens. I think she was on the radio with Hannity earlier in the day. Then she came on the TV show. This is C1. This is how she opened her, her moment.
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Stephanie Miller
It was funny, but if it was anybody else, I probably wouldn't think it was as funny. So well done.
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E. Jean Carroll
Thank you for being the only one on the right that gets the joke, Sean. It was a joke. And then, you know, the funniest thing about this story is Trump's all over the Epstein files. And I wonder if they're going to release that after the big bombshell. I didn't say anything about that on Fox News. Yeah.
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Stephanie Miller
All right, Bill Clinton, let's release them.
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E. Jean Carroll
Let's release those files. Is this what passes for news? Is this what passes for FOX News?
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Joy Reid
And what she's talking about is she did a, she posted a joke picture Stephanie Miller did of her kissing the feet of Jasmine Crockett. It was a joke. She's a comedian. And the right just went crazy. They went ballistic. And yeah, you guys, I thought you didn't want a king. Now I guess you want a queen. Because they think that that show, they think Greg Garfield's funny. Okay. They don't, they don't really understand the humor. By the way, if you guys are not watching south park this season. South Park. Oh, Lord Jesus, you are missing it. They have now gone to getting. Oh, it is brutal, honey. J.D. vance is now the paramore of, of cartoon Trump with his little peeny weenie baby. I need to watch it and catch up. Okay, but so back to Stephanie Miller. So she wasn't done there. She, she basically, she, she threw out there that Trump is in the Epstein files. To which Handy says, well, isn't Bill Clinton in the epine files? Yeah, yeah, he's in there, too, but not like Trump. Is the stuff that's in there kind of tangential? The stuff I read about him is that they're trying to sort of bring him up. But she goes on to force the Fox audience for probably maybe the first time to just actually face some facts. Here's C2.
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Stephanie Miller
Or anything. But. All right, so I do have a question. I tried to get an answer out of you on radio. Okay. The question is, when did you notice Joe Biden's cognitive decline and don't change the subject and deflect. When did you really notice it?
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E. Jean Carroll
Well, I think it was through all of the times that Donald Trump has fallen asleep in public and talked about, you know, magnets getting wet in the last few, you know, my mom had to.
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Stephanie Miller
When I recognize it, this is not, it's a very good deflection. You're a professional.
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E. Jean Carroll
You know what else is great about Biden's. Biden's decline is that Trump is all over the Epstein files. And I'm wondering if they're going to release those. Are you covering that tonight?
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Stephanie Miller
Not really. Because the woman that apparently they're talking about is the one that said he was a gentleman and never did anything wrong. And the person that had a grudge was the guy that got thrown out of marriage, mar a Lago, 25 years ago. And by the way, thrown out of a club in Palm Beach, Florida. That's kind of a big deal and it's very humiliating and embarrassing. And he was a convicted pedophile, so I'm not exactly putting a lot of truth in what was mad that he girls.
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Joy Reid
But yeah, it's, it's, it's so beautifully done. It's so seamless. And she even threw in a lovely promo for the great state of California.
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Stephanie Miller
By the way, when you're out there in California, where you live the united socialist utopia, if you see Gavin, because Gavin doesn't like me anymore, you might want to tell him that fire hydrants need water and reservoirs need to be.
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E. Jean Carroll
In our fourth largest economy in the world. I'll tell them. Yeah.
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Stephanie Miller
Yeah, maybe having the highest income taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes and highest poverty rate. Not great. That's why so many people are leaving.
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E. Jean Carroll
Oh really? Are they leaving for Florida, which is like last and everything? Because we're kind of first in everything.
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Stephanie Miller
I hate to tell you. No, actually, Florida's first in education, low taxes and over $1 trillion in migration. Money is moved to Florida. You guys have lost nearly 400 billion.
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Calvin Duncan
But who's.
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E. Jean Carroll
Are you the fourth largest economy in the world or are we. I forget.
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Stephanie Miller
You could thank Silicon Valley, in spite of Gavin Newsom. That would be popular size that he used to have. All right, we gotta thank you.
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Joy Reid
Stephanie Miller joins me now. The host of the Stephanie Miller show, the eponymous Stephanie Miller Show. Also the author of Sexy Liberal of Me. I think, oh my God, Stephanie, look, the stalking works. I literally was texting you during like, oh my God, you have to come on my show this Was so amazing. It was amazing. Congratulations. Got it.
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E. Jean Carroll
Goddess. I will be photographed k kissing your feet any time. Oh, my God. Don't you love how they lost their shit? Like liberal white lady kisses black lady's feet. Ah, it's the biggest story.
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Joy Reid
It's the biggest story on the Right. What is so wild is I. When I heard about it, I. I have to be honest. I don't. I don't follow the Sean Hannity doings that much. So I actually heard about it first on your show, and so then, of course, I went into a wormhole and I went to find all of the rage, and it was epic. I mean, these people, a, have no sense of humor. They are the people who literally worship Donald Trump and make him into a golden God at cpac. And yet. And then when you say so, they say, well, it's just a joke. But they. They, like, they have zero sense of humor, much like their king.
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E. Jean Carroll
Yeah. They accuse me of being in a cult, Joy. And I'm like, wait, the people that wear the red hats everywhere and a cotex on their ear at the RNG are saying I'm an occult because. Because I did a joke picture.
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Joy Reid
Look, you know what? If Jasmine Crockett forms a cult, I might consider joining. I'm not. I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna join. I'm not.
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E. Jean Carroll
And you know the funny thing, Joy, is that segment turned into a commercial for Jasmine Crockett. Like, they play the Charlemagne, the God, saying she's the leader of the Democratic Party. And I'm like, got you. Got me. I love her. Okay.
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Joy Reid
You know, you. You've known Sean Hannity for a long time because he actually has been doing radio for a really long time. Longer than obviously he's been doing Fox. And so radio folks said. I know radio folks. Do you think that Sean Hannity believes most of the things he says or to you? Is it performative?
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E. Jean Carroll
You know, it's hard to tell what these people like, honestly. We were texting. We were texting each other the whole way to my, you know, trip to Fox. And then we texted each other all day yesterday because I felt kind of bad. I was like, I know you're mad at me.
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Joy Reid
He deserved.
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E. Jean Carroll
But. But, you know, and he's like, you know, I don't need to do this anymore. You know, I. I do it because I love it. I'm like, well, I'm in progressive radio, so I really need to keep doing it, so can you. I. I felt like, Joy, he might be dumb enough to venmo me $20 million which I asked for. I'm like, can I borrow $20 million? And I feel like he'd be like, okay, there was a chance.
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Joy Reid
It was a chance. There's always a chance. I mean, the thing about it is to me that's interesting is the Fox audience. The word news is in the name. So I think they think it's the news. But the things that are excluded. What you did that I think was so brilliant is that you use the sort of gish gallop a bit technique, but to force a piece of actual news onto Fox News. I doubt many of them, if they're just getting their news from Fox, know about what's in the new Epstein files dump. I doubt they know that California is the fourth largest economy in the world. And I think they think that Florida is awesome and that it's not an insurance hellhole.
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E. Jean Carroll
Yeah, well, I mean, Joy, here's the thing. They don't need to send you and I to El Salvador. You know where it is? It's in the chair at Fox News when you're in your ifb. And right before me is Mike Johnson and then Stephen Miller and then Cash Patel. And I'm like, I am forced to listen to this solid wall of lies and I'm like, oh my God, I see why they're in this bubble. I'm the first person all day that mentioned the Epstein files. And by the way, Joy, 80 something percent of Republicans and Magas want their Epstein files released.
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Joy Reid
Correct.
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E. Jean Carroll
So I was talking to somebody.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. And the thing is, is that that is the interesting thing about it, right. Is that the Epstein files actually cuts across ideology. People on the right want them. People and because I think it's one of those stories that is less political than it is a pure story of victim of victimhood. Other than Megan Kelly, everyone understands that young girls, children being molested is evil. She might be the only one. But she also thinks that blackface is okay. So I kind of see where she's coming from on that one because she's horrible. But everyone else is like this is.
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E. Jean Carroll
Evil and Santa is white. As you know, Santa is white and so is Jesus.
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Joy Reid
Although I've interviewed Santa like five or six times on my shows. He's definitely black. I've met him.
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E. Jean Carroll
Yeah, black.
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Joy Reid
Sorry, sorry, Megan.
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E. Jean Carroll
I mean seriously, Joy, this is how low the bar has gone. Are they prepping us for this release where really it's not pedophilia if it's 14 or 15. She has a 15 year old daughter yeah.
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Joy Reid
Who.
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E. Jean Carroll
Who says that? Like, it's insane that they're prepping us to go, oh, it's. I mean, is that their sign for the midterms? At least she was an eight.
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Joy Reid
I mean, apparently, right? And they've that. And I was, I said at the top of the show that it's. The cult will get so intense that at a certain point they're going to be defending pedophilia. And it's like a joke. And there are joke memes about it, but the joke memes have become real. The only way that they can continue to defend Donald Trump is they actually now have to defend raping 14 year old girls. Yeah.
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E. Jean Carroll
And Joy, I always say, they always say, oh, you always call us racist. You call us racist. And I'm like, I post this stupid joke picture with Jasmine Crockett. And I have. I said this on Fox, Joy. I've never gotten so many N words in my email on social media. N word lover. I'm like, thanks for proving our point. Exactly.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, call them fascists. But then their goons are in masks tackling brown people who are construction workers or selling arepas by the side of the road. They're, you know, tackling grandmothers and disabled people. But they're like, don't call us fascists. You're in a mask acting like you're the proud boys still.
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E. Jean Carroll
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, I feel like in this timeline we're just going to like, Matt Gaetz, who was going to be his ag, slept with a homeless teenager because she needed dental work. I'm like. And then we'll be like, oh, is that the one that shot the puppy in the face or is that. So they're all awful, Joy. They're all so awful.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, it's a grab bag. And then I think, what's his name? Pete Hegseth TV Pete is still screaming about Beardos. He's like obsessed with Beardos. And he does this speech at every place. I hope he's sober. And he thinks that he works for the Department of work. They're spending $2 billion to chip off the name Department of Defense on buildings and put Department of War when no one has renamed it. It's like the Gulf of America. It's the Gulf of Mexico. You can't just change the name. It doesn't work that way.
- [98:15]
E. Jean Carroll
Every time Jeanine Pierro loses the case, she's like, pete, get in here. We're doing Jagermeister shots. Tagala tag again.
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Joy Reid
I mean, and she's probably not as Tight. So she might even be safe in that room. Sorry I said that with my outside voice. What are you, what are you focusing on? What do you think? I mean, what are the resistance is really. You are now a queen of the resistance. I have read this and so it must be true. And so what is the resistance to do? What do you think? What do you think we should be doing? What are your callers and. And fans want to do?
- [98:49]
E. Jean Carroll
You're queen of the resistance and I think like, this is why it's so important what you're doing doing. I feel like all the real journalists, I just did Jim Acosta today before you, I mean, it's like all the real journalists have had to go elsewhere because the mainstream media, Joy, is part of why we're fucking here. Because they bent the knee and they kissed the ring and we have a child rapist in the Oval Office allegedly. Do we still need to say that? We have a 34 count convicted felon, adjudicated rapist before all the Epstein stuff. And part of this is, is where the mainstream media has brought us. And this is why, you know, Stephen Colbert is canceled but Megyn Kelly's not. I mean, where are we in this timeline?
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Joy Reid
I don't understand how, you know, she does now work for a radio company. She literally went on air and with her full chest said she has sources who he just liked barely legal types. And she's not sure that's pedophilia. I don't know how you can have read anything, even a cursory, you know, bit of information about Jeffrey Epstein and doubt that he's a pedophile. Suddenly now she's trying to like rehabilitate him because she has to do that in order to appeal to her base. You know, I call her every man's angry ex wife and her base are angry ass MAGA men and they don't want to hear the Trump that. I'm sorry that Epstein is a pedophile.
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E. Jean Carroll
Yeah, well, well, I mean, Joy, it feels to me from the amount of panic, you've been in this business a long time. There is a exceptional amount of panic coming out. Trump hasn't even answered any questions. I mean, he's been fleeing, you know, the Epstein files. I think one way or another are going to be released. I think we've already seen enough that we all know the truth. And what was the latest poll today, Joy? 33% trouble rating. I mean, he is plummeting and even he can't even his latest obstruction of justice charge with Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace. He can't even get them.
- [100:47]
Joy Reid
No, they know.
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E. Jean Carroll
They know this gig is off, Joy.
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Joy Reid
No, and I mean you. When you take Lauren Boebert into the Situation Room to put pressure on her to try to get her to come off of this discharge petition, that's intimidation. That's not a conversation. As Mike Johnson tried to say it. They're going to that extent threatening Massie get by getting billionaires to try to get him out of office. And it does beg the question what is in those other files, not the ones that I've been reading all day, that have a lot of sort of interesting in sort of tantalizingly potentially incriminating things, but in the stuff that Mike Johnson is refusing to release. Right. Every day we find out that they've got more and more and more and they won't release it. Do you have some sort of speculation on your own as to what do you think it is that Donald Trump is so afraid of?
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E. Jean Carroll
Yeah, well, first of all, Situation Room implies that there's a situation. And secondly, when you're asking Lauren Boebert for a hand.
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Joy Reid
Okay.
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E. Jean Carroll
It's okay here.
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Joy Reid
It's appropriate. I'm sorry, she did it in the theater. I mean, it was, you know, people were there, they saw it. It was on camera. Sorry.
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E. Jean Carroll
But I mean, we've heard this story, we've heard from other. That everything that people know, it's worse than we think that there is tape. I'm sure there's tape. I mean, there's pro. I mean, that's got to be what it is. You know, some of the girls have said they're, they, they taped this. So clearly whatever's in there is way worse than we think it is, which is why they're so frantic, don't you think?
- [102:16]
Joy Reid
Yeah. The pee pee tape is referenced in one of the emails where they say someone's gonna find tape. And, and you know, and they may be joking. It can be, it could be joke. I don't know. I can't get in the head of a pedophile. But the stuff that he's talking about seem to be two categories of things. One is influence peddling and saying I have influence. And therefore this is how you deal with Trump. This is how you deal with Lavrov. Here's how you deal with Russia. Should Modi come and sort of. Either he's just an interested news junkie that's like speculating about this with Lawrence Summers and his other friends or. And with Michael Wolf or he seems to be Saying I have leverage and the leverage I have is with one person.
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E. Jean Carroll
Yeah. And, and, and, and as Nancy Pelosi has always said with you, all roads lead to Russia. And that Epstein was feeding information to Russia. It's what we. Everyone going, what does Putin have on him? What do you think he up and has like this, this stuff. I'm sure he has tape. He has. Oh, please God, the PP tape. Oh, all I want for Christmas is the pee pee tape.
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Joy Reid
But we don't want to watch it. And by. And my, my answer question is the Israel of it is fascinating too, because the country.
- [103:24]
E. Jean Carroll
Yes.
- [103:25]
Joy Reid
So turns out that he leaked information about to Lavra that he handed over to Russia. Israel, a country that Ghislaine Maxwell's father had a great affinity for and that Jeffrey Epstein did as well.
- [103:37]
E. Jean Carroll
Yeah. I mean, why do you think Netanyahu and Putin are dog walking Trump? I mean, of course, of course. It's just. I feel like this is the most dumbest obvious movie plot ever that would never get sold out here in Hollywood. You'd be like, are you kidding me? Really? It's him that's the pedophile.
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Joy Reid
All right, exit question. Gavin 2028 or Obama 2028? Your choice.
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E. Jean Carroll
Obama only because it would make every head explode in the world. I love Gavin. I love Pritzker. I had Governor Bashir on the other day. We have such a deep bench, you know, and, and J.D. vance is.
- [104:19]
Joy Reid
Like, they're literally having a sexual affair at this point on South Park. It's so crazy.
- [104:24]
E. Jean Carroll
I never thought I could get gayer, but watching that scene, I'm like.
- [104:31]
Joy Reid
Oh, Stephanie Miller, I have to say it like, you're like your, your announcement. You are my morning friend and pal. I don't always stalk text you during your show. I listen to do it in the mornings. I love it. And you all should do the same. You can get the Stephanie Miller show on SiriusXM. Check your local listings. Some places it's on at 6, some places it's on at 7. Just check your local listings. You can get it on Sirus xm. You also should read this amazing book, Sex and Liberal of Me. I Sing. And you can get it at the Joy Reads store at.
- [105:00]
E. Jean Carroll
You gotta come back on my show soon. You are my goddess. You have always been my goddess. I love the last time you were on my show, someone was like, joy Reid is an intellectual ninja and a smoke show.
- [105:13]
Joy Reid
Yeah.
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E. Jean Carroll
Yes, true.
- [105:14]
Joy Reid
I'll, I'll take it. And I anytime. Just text me, let me know when you want me on and I'm there anytime.
- [105:19]
E. Jean Carroll
All right, baby. All right, baby. Thanks so much.
- [105:21]
Joy Reid
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Love you back. Stephanie Miller, everybody. Can we get a round of applause, please? Mr. Reed. Thank you. I love her so much. Her show is so much fun when all the bad things are happening. Like, I need to laugh in the mornings. I like to start my mornings not with a cup of joe. Well, I do have a. I do have a cup of coffee, but I love to sit and laugh with Stephanie Miller. Jump in the car. Listen to it on SiriusXM. It's always so, so, so amazing. You can also find the highlights. There's a YouTube channel where you can also get the highlights and we're gonna also post a link to that. So if you want to get your Stephanie Miller highlights, you can get them there.
- [105:54]
Calvin Duncan
We're gonna have to make a weird U turn now. I mean, a segue.
- [105:57]
Joy Reid
We're gonna make. We're gonna make a.
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Calvin Duncan
Because a young, young lady is gonna be on the phone after that conversation she just had with Stephanie.
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Joy Reid
Absolutely. But you know what? We're good. We can do a U turn. Jason. We could do a U. Let's do a ui. So. A new film in theaters dramatizes the true story of Sarah Rector, who at just 11 years old became the youngest and first black female millionaire in Kansas City history after oil literal oil was discovered on the land that she inherited. Following what she said was a divine revelation, Rector inherited 160 acres in the state of Oklahoma in the early 1900s and had to fight to keep it. The film premiered in Kansas City where the film stars and Sarah's real life family unite. Nya Desir Johnson plays Sarah alongside Soniqua Martin Green, who you will remember from the Walking Dead, and Kenrick Green, who is her husband, real life husband and wife who play her parents. Take a look at the trailer.
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Nya Desir Johnson
My name's Sarah Rector. The State gave me 160 acres on account of my ancestors. And there's Olan.
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Stephanie Miller
Well, how do you know that?
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Nya Desir Johnson
God gave me the ears to hear it. Do you hear it blue? There's oceans down there.
- [107:15]
Calvin Duncan
Nobody but you, Lord.
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Nya Desir Johnson
I got all my lane and I'm looking for a partner to help me drill it out.
- [107:23]
Joy Reid
Hurts.
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Stephanie Miller
And Byron Smith at your service.
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Matt Walsh
I look for oil and I drill for it.
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Nya Desir Johnson
Housing 50. 50.
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Donald Trump
We should have our lawyers.
- [107:32]
Joy Reid
Me, that's my lawyer. A Texas handshake. There ain't nothing more binding.
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Nya Desir Johnson
We're in Oklahoma.
- [107:37]
Joy Reid
It goes double for Okies. Here we go. Nobody but you nobody. But what's the damage? Well, this might be the end of the road. Dude gift.
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Nya Desir Johnson
It was so easy.
- [107:51]
Joy Reid
What's your guess? But she gonna do the right thing.
- [107:53]
Nya Desir Johnson
We shook hands.
- [107:55]
Joy Reid
You may have to speak to him.
- [107:56]
Nya Desir Johnson
I don't know what to say.
- [107:57]
Joy Reid
God will give you the words.
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J.D. Vance
We need money, Amigor.
- [108:00]
Joy Reid
But how are we gonna get him?
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Nya Desir Johnson
Hi, I'm Sarah, Bert's business partner. Has Bert properly presented our proposition?
- [108:08]
Joy Reid
Ma', am? You said y' all need put in your thousand dollars.
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Nya Desir Johnson
We need 2,000, and we need it today. It's a partnership.
- [108:17]
Joy Reid
Got some real nice mud here. Hoping you might test it first.
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Donald Trump
I've never seen anything like it.
- [108:22]
Calvin Duncan
That field you're sitting on could be.
- [108:24]
Joy Reid
The richest in all Oklahoma.
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Stephanie Miller
I'll give you 20 bucks an acre.
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Nya Desir Johnson
I ain't selling.
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J.D. Vance
You want a war?
- [108:37]
Matt Walsh
You touch me. Things about my soul.
- [108:39]
Joy Reid
Ain't nobody ever done that for me. Ain't nobody ever cared. We're dealing with some mighty devious folks over here.
- [108:47]
Nya Desir Johnson
The need to fight for what's ours.
- [108:49]
Joy Reid
Is that why I see dynamite? That's my oil. No, it ain't. I would not do that if I was you. You took the liberty of wiring up your whales, just in case you wanted to do something foolish.
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Nya Desir Johnson
It's funny, but the land had only reasonless or it was all mine. But when people found out there's all lines, they start thinking it's theirs. All I'm asking is to keep what's mine.
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Joy Reid
Her name is Sarah Rector. And you're going to be hearing a lot about her. You know, I've grown kind of fond of the kid that's called a knight.
- [109:24]
Nya Desir Johnson
It can help over your pieces.
- [109:25]
Joy Reid
That's right. Look at you. You're learning.
- [109:27]
Nya Desir Johnson
Just want to make sure before I take turquoise.
- [109:30]
Calvin Duncan
Really?
- [109:31]
Joy Reid
Nobody but you and Sarah from the film actress Naya Desir Johnson joins me now. Well, hello, Ms. Naya.
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Nya Desir Johnson
Hello, Ms. Joy Reid.
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Joy Reid
How are you? Congratulations on the film.
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Nya Desir Johnson
Thank you. Thank you.
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Joy Reid
So tell me, what did you. Had you ever heard of Sarah Rector before you auditioned for this film?
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Nya Desir Johnson
No, I haven't heard of her at all. And I think it's kind of weird and funny that a girl like Sarah Rector, who was the first rich black girl in America, and no one ever, except the people in the Sarah actor family, has ever heard of this story before. And I'm just really glad. I'm really glad and happy that I can be representing her.
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Joy Reid
What's amazing about that is because people haven't heard of her, you get to embody who she is, you get to give her her personality and her voice. How did you choose, like, what that personality would be like?
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Nya Desir Johnson
I think it was mostly reading the book, searching for Sarah Rector, and also just searching inside myself. I think it was just. My mom says it's always nya plus something else, like nya plus sad or nya plus angry. So then it was naya plus Sarah, actor. And it was a bit hard figuring that out. But after reading the book and processing through the lines and reading the script, I got, like, the not really sassy, but very feeling from her.
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Joy Reid
I see a little bit of the sassy feeling. Absolutely. And God bless you for actually reading the book. That is important to do the research. Talk about yourself as an actress. How did you start acting? How old are you now?
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Nya Desir Johnson
I'm 12 now. I shot the film when I was 10 years old.
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E. Jean Carroll
Wow.
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Nya Desir Johnson
And I. When I started acting, I was five years old. And I started off doing commercials and then short films, and then I got into movies. Some movies were, well, not really, like, lead roles. Sarah Zoe was my first lead role, but it was progressing up to being the first on the call sheet. And I also want to be on SNL and on Broadway. Those are other really big dreams that I have.
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Joy Reid
Okay.
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Nya Desir Johnson
And. Yeah.
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Joy Reid
Okay. We might know a few people. Snl. Interesting. So you do a little comedy. Are you a comedic actress as well? Yes. Okay. All right. We're gonna make sure we make a note of that. Everybody on the team that we may wanna, like, let folks know. So tell me, what was the hardest thing about this, about this particular role of Sara?
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Nya Desir Johnson
I think the hardest thing would be when she is being threatened for her land. I just felt heartbroken and that she was going through this, but I was also happy that she was with her family, that she wasn't alone, that the community would also stand up for her. And I think having somebody you can lean on, a support system, is really important for when you feel like you can't really. You're just not motivated to do something you want to do.
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Joy Reid
And what was your favorite thing about this role?
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Nya Desir Johnson
My favorite thing about this role was how brave she was and how she wouldn't let anyone tell her no. And she always fought for what she believed in.
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Joy Reid
It sounds like she might be like you. Yeah, I love that. I love that. So. Excuse me. Excuse me. I have to drink some water. The first time that you saw the movie in a theater, what did you think?
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Nya Desir Johnson
My face is really big.
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Joy Reid
Yeah.
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Nya Desir Johnson
When I first saw it, I knew kind of what was going to happen. But it was still shocking when I saw it all put together and in action and there's nobody saying action or cutting it all together. It flowed just perfectly. And I think with Sineek or Martin Green and Adion Coates and Zachary Levi and Kendrick Green, they made it feel so real. Like we were actually in the house of Sarah Rector. We were actually on, on her land that had oil. They're actually drilling and oil came out of it. And I think all of it was just so you were captivated.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. Well, I'm excited to see it. Ms. Shawn, who is, who recommended our talking to you, told us she thinks this is a film that every little black girl and every little girl period in this country should see. And a lot of that is because of you. Congratulations, actress Nya Desir Johnson. And we look forward to seeing you on SNL and on Broadway. And you're going to go far, we can tell.
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Nya Desir Johnson
Thank you. Thank you.
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Joy Reid
Thank you, my dear. Thank you so much. And then we can get a round of applause, Jason, please for Lil Nyah. She's adorable. She's so cute. Well, I hope you all will go and see it. The film opened on November 7, so it has been in theaters for a week. Go and support this film. A lot of folks complain there's not enough positive movies and things you can take your family to and things that will make you feel happy rather than being stressed out. Like we're all stressed out in this insane news cycle all the time. This is one of those films, I'm told. I can't wait to see it. I'm told it is such a feel good film and it's, it's real black history. It's a true story. It's a dramatization of a real story. It's a hidden figures type of story. So please go see it. And guess what, Sarah, from this film, actress Nya Desir Johnson. She's our moment of joy because she's giving me joy and she's so smart and so adorable. Gotta love that. We've got somebody in the chat saying they took their three year old. Let's see, that's Nate Jordan says he took his three year old. Please let us know what you thought of the film. Great point by Poet Oishi says little boys should see it too. Absolutely. We want little girls and little boys to see it. Everyone should see it. I think this is a great film for kids, but it's a great film for adults too because we need a little inspiration and. Absolutely. I love the idea of making sure that little boys see it as well. We've got an it's so good. From Derek Williams, 1902. Says, Very good. That it was excellent. Unspeakable joy, says Brittany. Is that Brittany? Ko 1, 5 8. I hope you guys are loving it, and I cannot wait to see it. Absolutely beautiful, says Angela Porter. I 100% agree. Especially now, says Jessica. 100. Like, in these moments, we need some things that are joyful and that are beautiful and that will actually cheer us up and make us feel good. So chat. I'm glad that you guys are loving it, and I hope that you guys will all go and see the film we have. Naya just stole my heart, says Nate. Yeah, no, she's adorable. And also a great interviewee. You know, it's not easy to do an interview, especially a remote interview, where you can't, like, get the same sense of the person in person. And she did an excellent job. What a smart little girl. Like, she restated the question and answered it like she's a professional. She was so good. And then she said my face was really big as the answer to what she thought when she first saw the film. So, so cute. Well, thank you all for tuning in to the Joy Retro. We did a lot. We went through a lot of documents and paper. I'm going to continue to go through these files because there's so much in there, and we're going to keep talking about it. I know that Trump doesn't want it to be spoken about, but we're going to keep talking about this issue because I think it's. It's not just about Trump. It's about these victims and their desire for justice, and they deserve justice. They. Absolutely. There have been cases that they've made against some of these banks that were financing it. But this is also a case about money corruption and financial corruption and also sexual corruption. It's. It's a. It's a huge story, and it could be the story that Donald Trump cannot escape. This is the one thing he cannot get around. He can't get away from it. He can't even get away from it with maga because they want the Epstein tapes out, too. Mike Johnson cannot protect him forever. These tapes will come out. This information, I mean, not these tapes, I should say. These files will come out. We don't know if there's tapes. We don't know what's in them. But I think that they will eventually come out. And I can tell y' all that we're going to stay on this story, again, not just because of Trump, but because it speaks to a larger corruption in our society and among the global elite. There is a global financial elite. Palantir is referenced in some of these emails where one of the people emailing Epstein is saying that they're excited that Palantir was the one tech company that Trump invited to some confab at the White House, that it represents a great investment opportunity. We're talking about the global elite that are setting up a surveillance state and who in some cases are protecting or maybe even engaging, we don't know, in abuse of our children. So this is important. I gotta love the glasses from Brittany. Thank you for bringing us together and speaking the truth. Anytime, my friends. The glasses are now their own character. We got to give them a name. I'll think of a good name. I like to name things. I'll give them a name.
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Calvin Duncan
There's a lot of reflection in them. Use them for reading.
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Joy Reid
They just use them for reading? Yeah, I just use them to read. We can't wear them every day. They're not. They're just reading glasses. All right, y', all, thanks for tuning in to the Joy Read show. Please check out the joyread shop@shop.joyread.com where you can get all the books that you saw on the show that were represented on the show tonight. We'll also put the links in the description of the show tonight and on the sub stack. Please support our sponsors as well and hit like and subscribe on your way out. Appreciate. Y' all have a great weekend and we'll see you Monday on the next Joy Reid show. Bye.
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E. Jean Carroll
Bye.
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Joy Reid
Okay. Yeah.