No One Is Safe In Trump’s America | The Joy Reid Show LIVE!

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Episode Title: No One Is Safe In Trump’s America | The Joy Reid Show LIVE!
Date: January 10, 2026
Host: Joy-Ann Reid
Featured Guests: Jill Garvey, David Corn, Ellie Mystal, Wajahat Ali, Lev Parnas, Jesse Ventura
Theme: The killing of Renee Good by an ICE agent—its meaning, political fallout, and what it reveals about law enforcement and democracy in the Trump era.

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Overview

This powerful episode, broadcasting live from New York, dives into the fatal shooting of Renee Good—a white, U.S.-born mother of three—by ICE Agent Jonathan Ross in suburban Minneapolis. The conversation explores the event’s implications, connecting it to America's history of police violence, state-sanctioned intimidation, and the ongoing erosion of civil and human rights under the Trump administration. Joy anchors the urgent discussion with political analysis, survivor stories, protest footage, and roundtable insights on what this moment means for the future of American democracy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Shooting of Renee Good: Setting the Scene

• Who was Renee Good?
  • U.S. citizen, 37, mother of three (children approximately 6, 12, and 15).
  • Poet and writer; no criminal record beyond a traffic ticket.
  • “Far from the domestic terrorist that Kristi Noem described.” – Joy Reid [05:55]
• What happened?
  • After dropping her son at school, Renee and her partner encountered ICE agents 100 feet from her Minneapolis home.
  • Renee was shot three times in the face by ICE Agent Jonathan Ross.
  • Her last words, caught on video: “I’m not mad at you.” – [09:10]
• Officer Reaction:
  • The agent walked away uninjured, calling her an “effing bitch”. [09:54]

2. Video Evidence & Competing Narratives

• Multiple videos contradict the official narrative (that the agent was being rammed or attacked).
  • Stephen Miller: “This appears to conflict with allegations that the SUV was ramming or about to ram the officer.” [11:01]
  • All video angles show the wheels were turned away, agent was never run over or endangered as claimed.
• Conservative media, including Kristi Noem, JD Vance, and Alpha News, have tried to justify the killing through misrepresentation.

3. Nationwide Outrage and Protests

• Protests have erupted coast-to-coast—especially significant in Minnesota, near the George Floyd memorial.
• Demonstrators chant for liberty, with widespread solidarity (“Libertad means liberty, of course….” – Joy [12:47])

4. ICE and Border Patrol Overreach

• ICE and CBP are operating as interior paramilitaries, targeting anyone “who doesn’t sound like an American” [14:56].
  • “This is not 1980s South Africa. But what's happening is that customs and border patrol are operating far from the border... That's some white South Africa.” – Joy Reid [15:13]
• The right is moving the rhetorical and physical goalposts to target activists and “race traitors,” even white allies, just as readily as communities of color (see: history of Viola Liuzzo, James Reeb, George Floyd).
  • “She's an inflection moment... as George Floyd was to BLM.” – Joy Reid [19:45]

5. ICE's Deadliest Year and Policy Escalation

• 2025: ICE killed 32 people, more than the previous three years combined.
  • “Let me show you... The bar chart is wild.” – Joy Reid [21:52]
• J.D. Vance and Trump administration promise more aggressive mass deportations and “door to door” removals, citing Eisenhower’s “Operation Wetback” as a precedent.
  • “We’re going to see those deportation numbers ramp up… going door to door.” – J.D. Vance [38:31]

6. Community Resistance and Training

• Featured interview with Jill Garvey (States at the Core) on ICE Watch and bystander resistance.
  • Key tactics: Blow whistles, document everything, support targeted people, de-escalate when possible.
  • “Trying to learn who they are, get them support. That’s part of what we train on.” – Jill Garvey [30:02]
• Increasing aggression from federal agents makes resistance riskier—even for trained allies. “What happened to Renee is, is next level.” – Jill Garvey [36:23]

7. Media, Messaging, and Dehumanization

• Cycle of smears against Renee Good after her death:
  • “A tragedy of her own making” – J.D. Vance [22:42]
  • “The right seized on Lake and Riley to say white women are in jeopardy and must be protected…
    But when a white woman gets shot in the face and called a [slur] by her killer, it’s an inflection moment.” – Joy Reid [20:20]

8. Legal Reality: Federal Immunity Myth

• “Do ICE agents have absolute immunity?”
  • Ellie Mystal: “No, federal officers do not have absolute immunity to commit crimes. They can still be punished under state law. And that’s exactly what needs to happen…” [76:53]

9. The Authoritarian Rubicon: What This Moment Means

• David Corn:
  • “What we’re seeing… is it’s a profound change in American society.” [51:28]
  • “As things get closer to us, to our own set of experiences, they just register more. So… this one event is inescapable.” [47:28]
• Joy, Lev, Ellie:
  • “This is a white woman who was murdered in broad daylight… If the Democratic side does not pick this up and never let it go… I don’t know what to do with them.” – Joy Reid [107:16]
  • “White rage is paid attention to. White grievance is heard. White blood has a bigger price to it… If this doesn’t wake up white America, I don’t know what will.” – Wajahat Ali [108:02]

10. Calls to Action

• Organize and demand abolition of ICE; make it a centerpiece of the Democratic primary season.
  • “Now is the time to ask those questions. Because by the time you get to November then you are kind of locked into a binary choice…” – Ellie Mystal [97:52]
• “If you’re not willing to fight for the rest of us… get out. You are complicit.” – Wajahat Ali [82:27]
• “We are all Renee Good. And they’re telling us this is the price you could pay for that.” – David Corn [62:54]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Her last words were, ‘I’m not mad at you.’” – Joy Reid [09:10]
• “When killers step out of pocket, whether they are agents of the state or extremists within the racist system of the state, those are pinpoint moments that actually make changes.” – Joy Reid [18:03]
• “The American people have a right to observe law enforcement. Filming law enforcement, parking your car near them, beeping your horn... that’s not illegal. That’s not interfering with law enforcement.” – Joy Reid [54:00]
• “You don’t have extrajudicial killings in the United States. …Violence is us. Violence is ours to use. If you get in the way... we can kill you and not feel bad about it.” – David Corn [55:28]
• “They want that race war vibe. And the only thing they would love more than that is to get your people, the Muslims, Waj.” – Joy Reid [93:05]
• “ICE is functionally a paramilitary organization... brutalize opposition, and murder people who get in their way.” – Ellie Mustal [96:30]
• “We need Democrats to actually act like this is a war. When someone declares war on you, you are at war.” – Joy Reid [115:01]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:55]–[08:00]: Introduction of Renee Good; her background, family, and the shooting.
• [09:10]: Renee’s last words on video are revealed.
• [10:39]–[11:32]: Review of video evidence—debunking official ICE/White House narrative.
• [12:47]–[14:24]: Protests erupt nationwide; scene footage and language tensions.
• [15:13]–[19:45]: Joy’s “pinpoint moments” in civil rights history; the whiteness of the victim and its political meaning.
• [21:52]: Graphic on ICE’s deadly year—“The bar chart is wild.”
• [22:42]: J.D. Vance blames victim, doubles down on ICE narrative.
• [24:01]–[35:47]: Interview with Jill Garvey—organizing, resistance strategies, community trauma.
• [38:31]: J.D. Vance on door-to-door deportations.
• [43:14]: David Corn joins—storytelling, proximity, and the “concentric circles” of outrage.
• [54:52]: Corn on lack of compassion, decline of democratic norms.
• [62:54]–[64:03]: “We are all Renee Good;” pushback on "sanctuary city" attacks.
• [76:53]: Ellie Mystal on ICE, “absolute immunity,” and prosecution.
• [82:27]: Wajahat Ali’s Rage Against the Machine–inspired broadside: “Abolish ICE. Prosecute ICE. Fuck ICE.”
• [107:16]: Joy on the need for the left/pro-democracy side to seize this moment like the right did with Lake and Riley.
• [112:12]: Ellie Mystal’s concluding hope—that authoritarian overreach contains the seeds of backlash.
• [119:52]: Jesse Ventura’s rebuke of Trump and Republican betrayal of Constitution.

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Actionable Takeaways

• Abolish ICE: Make it a non-negotiable demand for any Democratic candidate; wield primary power to shift the party agenda.
• Document Abuse: Record, witness, and support those targeted by paramilitary law enforcement.
• Community Solidarity: Organize locally and nationally; connect with rapid response/ICE watch programs.
• Never Forget Renee Good: Elevate her story as a symbol of organizing across race lines and the dangers—even for “privileged” Americans.

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Tone and Style

This episode is urgent, frank, and unapologetic. Joy channels righteous anger and incisive analysis, alternating between historical context, personal experience, and calls for strategic organizing. The roundtable and interviews are charged, radical, and sometimes explicit—but always focused on truth-telling in the fight against authoritarianism.

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For Listeners New and Old

If you didn’t catch this live, this summary provides a roadmap for understanding a flashpoint moment in American resistance. The hosts and guests make clear: no one is safe in Trump’s America, and only community, vigilance, and courage can meet the threat.

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“Say her name: Renee Nicole Good.”

– Wajahat Ali, David Corn, Joy Reid [110:00]

Transcript

[Joy Reid]

Reggie, I just sold my car online. Let's go, Grandpa.

[Wajahat Ali]

Wait, you did?

[Joy Reid]

Yep. On Carvana. Just put in the license plate, answered a few questions, got an offer in minutes. Easier than setting up that new digital picture frame.

[Lev Parnas]

You don't say.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah, they're even picking it up tomorrow. Talk about fast.

[J.D. Vance]

Wow.

[Joy Reid]

Way to go. So about that picture frame. Ah, forget about it.

[David Corn]

Until Carvana makes one, I'm not interested.

[Joy Reid]

Car selling made easy on Carvana. Pickup fees may apply. Okay, Gif. Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Joy Reid show, live from New York, New York. We are in the city, so I just want to warn you all that I'm in a different Internet space, so if there are any challenges with the connection, I may freeze temporarily. Like, I'm kind of doing a bit. But just be patient. Be patient with our Internet service. It ain't like the one in the home studio. This is not the high tech of the basement. This is our sort of secondary location. So just give us a little bit of grace on that. If I freeze, I'll come back. Promise you I'll come back. You know, like the Terminator. Always come back. I want to pick up everyone who checked out our Zoran Mamdani interview, which was also done in New York City. Big ups to Renaissance Harlem, the great restaurant that hosted us. And I've had people now texting me, being like, I went over there and had the Jolof rice. And you're welcome, Renaissance. I think we were sending people your way, and people are. They are taking advantage of the delicious food. So thank you to everybody who tuned in. You could still catch the show that episode on the channel. On the TJRS channel. I want to remind you guys to like and subscribe. We should hit 390, 000 subscribers today if I get my clock right, because we are rolling right up on it. And that is huge. Like, we were at 3, I think 87 or 388 or something like that the last time we checked it. We're just. We're just cranking, y'. All. We are really, really cranking. So thanks everybody who has supported the channel. Also, the nearly 190, 000 people on substack. Big up to you guys. Big up to the YouTube fam. Big up to the folks who are listening on Spotify or Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. We appreciate y'. All. I want to let you all know that next Friday, we'll be doing one of our patented readers with benefits members only chats. We're going to have that Members only chat readers with benefits will be after next Friday's show. So if you're a member, stick around after the show at 8pm we'll just talk just with you guys and we can talk about whatever you want. It's an ama. It's an ask me anything and we'll just talk about whatever's happening in the news of the day. We're we will be rolling up at that point on MLK Day. We'll see if the Trump regime decides to let us celebrate it in this country. But that's what we'll be doing. So that's going to happen next week, Friday. So make sure that you guys get ready for that. So thanks to all of our team TJRS members, we're going to chat with just you guys and of course our readers who are premium members on Substack. That's going to happen next Friday after the show. So that is the housekeeping for the day. But I want to get right to the big news of the day, which I think you all know what it is. Weirdly enough, our weird war with Venezuela's off. It just got moved right off to the side. That is not in the charts on today. It's all about the killing, the shooting, murder, the shooting. A lot of people calling it murder. The family's calling it murder. The killing of Renee Good. You're gonna put up her picture. Renee Good and I have a kind of a big idea about what it means. We're going to get to that in a moment. The 37 year old mother of three, three who as we all know now was shot dead in Minneapolis on the day after the five year anniversary of the January 6th insurrection for the Star Tribune. We now know more about her, more details. Katie Fang was good enough to give us the first details that we got on this podcast about this young lady. But we now know, per the Star Tribune, that Renee Nicole Macklin Good was 37 years old, a mother of three. There's a report in Politico I always like to let you guys know where I'm getting my information. Report in Politico says she was a US Citizen born in Colorado and appears to have never been charged with anything involving law enforcement beyond a traffic ticket in social media accounts. Macklin Good described herself as a poet and writer and wife and mom. She said she was currently experiencing Minneapolis displaying a pride flag emoji on her Instagram account. A profile picture point to posted on Pinterest shows her smiling and holding a young child against her cheek along with posts about tattoos, hairstyles and home decorating. Her ex husband, who asked not to be named out of concern for his safety and the safety of their children, said that Macklin Good had just dropped off her son at school on Wednesday. So those on X Twitter and on social media who were saying, well she's a mom, why isn't she with her kid? Because it was a school day and she just dropped her kid off at school. You she was driving home with her current partner when they encountered a group of ICE agents on a snowy street, a suburban street, a street in suburban Minneapolis, not the mean streets of downtown Minneapolis, a literal suburb where they had moved last year from Kansas City, Missouri. She died within 100ft of her home. Going back to the Star Tribune, Good had previously been married to a man named Timmy Ray Macklin Jr. He died in 2023 at the age of 36, just 36, not not far from the age that she has passed away at Macklin's father that Mr. Timmy Ray Macklin's father, Timmy Ray Macklin Sr. Was shocked to hear the news that Ms. Good had been shot and killed. He said that Good and her son had a child who is now just six years old. Here's the quote. There's nobody else in his life, said Macklin. I'll drive, I'll fly to come and greet, to come and get my grandchild. Macklin added that Good had two additional children whom he believed lived with their extended with her extended family. Ms. Good was an award winning poet who earned an English degree in 2020 from Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia. There are various news reports that say her children may have been 12 and 15 years old. Far from the domestic terrorist that Kristi Noem described, her former father in law, Timmy Ray Macklin Sr. Told the Telegraph, another news outlet, that the that he believed ICE agents were responsible for her death. Here's the quote. It is horrible. It's murder. Everybody is terribly shocked right now, he said. She's a good, outgoing person. I don't agree with a lot of her ways, but it's really sad to see these things happen. I don't know what he means by her ways. We now also know the name of Renee Good's killer. His name is Jonathan Ross. I want you to watch a video of him reacting rather calmly to having just shot a woman in the face three times. Shame.

[David Corn]

Shame.

[Joy Reid]

Shame. Shame. Shame.

[Jesse Ventura]

Shame.

[Joy Reid]

He didn't seem to react at all and he sure didn't look injured, seemed to have walked away quite fine and didn't seem like he was injured the way that J.D. vance and others have claimed. According to the Intercept, Ross is a 43 year old immigration and Customs Enforcement agent. So at least he's a real fed and not a cosplayer who bought his gear on TEU. He's based out of the agency's field office in St. Paul, Minnesota, per the Intercept. According to court documents from an unrelated case, Ross has been with the agency since at least 2016. In June, he was injured in a traffic incident while apprehending a man named Roberto Carlos Munoz, Guatemala, an undocumented man who later convicted of dragging Ross with his car. Apparently he tried to reach into the car and was pulled down the road. The Minnesota Star Tribune was the first to publicly identify Ross. In a brief article naming him, the local Fox affiliate quoted a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson confirming that the agent involved in the shooting was the same one dragged in by Munoz Gonzale, Guatemala In June, the New York Post ran a story referencing his the dragging incident, but didn't name him. We also have new video that shows a closer angle of the shooting and which also tells us the last words of Renee Good. We now know what her last words were. This video was originally posted by a right wing outlet called Alpha news. It scores 4 out of out of 5 on a rating website that rates whether websites are neutral or conservative or liberal. It's called allsides.com if you want to try to use that for yourself. If you want to sort of rate what sites are this is rated 4 out of 5. It's a right wing site also based in Minneapolis. They originally posted it. It includes her last words. A lot of conservatives right wingers are posting this video particularly on X Twitter and claiming that it absolves the officer. But I will set you up that it is. It is disturbing. I'm just going to warn you all that it is disturbing to watch. But it reveals that her last words were I'm not mad at you. Here is that video. I'm not mad. Boy, show your face. I'm not mad at that's okay. We don't change our plates every morning. Just so you know. It'll be the same plate when you come talk to us later.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

That's fine.

[Joy Reid]

U.S. citizen former.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

To come at us.

[Joy Reid]

I said go get yourself some lunch big boy. Go ahead out of the car.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

Get out of the car.

[Ellie Mustal]

Get out of the car.

[Joy Reid]

You heard how that ended, right? This officer, supposedly with at least 12 years experience shot Renee Good in the face as her partner. That is the Other person that you see in the video was literally yelling at him. Clearly they were angry about them attempting to arrest, as I assume, some other person in the community. You could see that he ended the shooting by calling her an effing B word and by walking away quite uninjured. The New York Times has also done an analysis of the shooting and that neither that video that you just saw nor what we're going to show you now is very helpful to their case.

[Stephen Miller]

Let's look at that at the same time, the agent filming crosses toward the left of the vehicle and grabs his gun. He opens fire on the motorist and continues shooting as she drives past. The moment the agent fires, he is standing here to the left of the SUV and the wheels are pointing to the right, away from the agent.

[Joy Reid]

Shane. Shane.

[Stephen Miller]

This appears to conflict with allegations that the SUV was ramming or about to ram the officer. President Trump and others said the federal agent was hit by the suv, often pointing to another video filmed from a different angle. And it's true that at this moment in this grainy, low resolution footage, it does look like the agent is being struck by the suv. But when we synchronize it with the first clip clip, we can see the agent is not being run over. In fact, his feet are positioned away.

[Joy Reid]

From the S. So all of the video and this was shot by multiple people because again, people have cameras and none of the video helps Kristi Noem and Donald Trump and J.D. vance's case. The shooting has touched off protests nationwide. New York, other cities. There have been marches everywhere, of course, including in Minnesota. We're going to show a little bit of those protest. This is not far from where the George Floyd protest. Show me what democracy looks like. This is what democracy looks like. Show me what democracy for those who do not speak Spanish. Libertad means liberty, of course, and porto means for everyone. And so you're seeing those kinds of protests everywhere. And this has been going on ever since this shooting has happened. It's also prompted other people to stand up to ice. It's not cowering people, it's making people angry and encouraging other people. This is a gentleman you're going to see in Minnesota standing up to ice. Take a look.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

I see your id. Why the hell would I show random people my id? You want to steal my identity? Where's your id? Let me check if you're a US citizen. How about that? Hey, you guys better move on, man. Look at this.

[Joy Reid]

A4.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

What kind of name is that? Alcohol free or what's your Initial here. It ain't over there. Why would I answer you? Why would I not be a citizen in this country, man?

[Jesse Ventura]

Are you? Are you?

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

Are you?

[Wajahat Ali]

Are you?

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

Are you a citizen? Are you? Why are you getting close?

[Lev Parnas]

I can hear you.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

You can stand there.

[Joy Reid]

I'm not close.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

How come she got a good gopro and you got your police issued a body cam? What's going on with you guys? Dude, listen, I'm here working. You're working too, right?

[Joy Reid]

So go.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

It says u. S. Border patrol. This is not the border. Go to the Canada border or the Mexico border.

[Joy Reid]

But if you were from this country. If you were from this country.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

What do you mean if I'm from this country?

[Stephen Miller]

I could hear. You don't have the same accent as me. That's why I'm.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

Oh, so you're going by accents now? Is that what it is?

[Joy Reid]

Where were you born?

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

Is that accents? Have you. Have you heard the Israeli accent? Have you heard the European accent? You just garbage. You're going by accent.

[Joy Reid]

You just proved other countries.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

You guys want to argue? I got time. I got time today.

[Joy Reid]

Not arguing. You're proving my point.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

You guys do whatever you want to do. I'm not going to show you. I don't have to show you anything. If a police officer comes here, I'll comply with it. But u. S. Border patrol, I don't even know if you're a real police officer.

[Joy Reid]

Where's your id but you just said.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

Where's your id?

[Joy Reid]

You just said it.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

And I'm not gonna go by C20. That's A. That's a periodic chemical. That's a periodic element. C20. What are you, cupboard 20?

[Wajahat Ali]

Come back.

[Joy Reid]

Come back.

[Wajahat Ali]

Come here.

[Joy Reid]

No. Hell no.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

Why would I come there? You come here. You came to my car. I'm chilling on my social media. This lady comes knocking. Sir.

[Joy Reid]

We can leave it there. Jason, thank you very much. First of all, that is not law enforcement. Why is that? Border patrol. And he, the gentleman makes a good point. That ain't the border. Why are they so far in the interior? That's not where they're supposed to operate. And number two, this is not 1980s South Africa. But what's happening is that customs and border patrol are operating far from the border. As that gentleman correctly pointed out. They're pretending to be. That they can act as law enforcement, which they're not. Law enforcement. Not law enforcement. And they are going up to anyone they think has an accent that doesn't sound like an American accent. Well, what's an American accent. They should meet my godmother who came from Jamaica in, like, the early 1960s and had a thick Jamaican accent to this day. Has it to this day. She's 92 years old. She's been in the country since. She's been, like, third in her 30s. If you just walked up to her on the street, you. She'd sound exactly like she just came from Jamaica. Her late husband was from Greece. You could barely understand what he was saying yet he. Thick Greek accent that you could barely decipher. And he never lost his accent. But he was an American, Both of them American citizens. What is an American accent? So what they're basically saying is if you don't sound like sort of the average white person, they get to question whether you're an American. If you have any accent that they think sounds foreign, they can question whether you're an American. Manny Hosin sounds British. He's an American. He literally got his citizenship. How would you tell? Because somebody. Minnesotans sound like they're from Scandinavia. What is an American accent? What are you talking about? And arguing with a civilian who's doing nothing but sitting in his car and. And feeling you have the right to question him even being in this country, simply because he's black and has an accent. See, that's the problem, because that's some white South Africa. Now, I want to say these. These are pinpoint moments. There are pinpoint moments in our history when somebody dies, right? Who technically is, quote, not supposed to die. And what I mean by that. No one's supposed to die. No one is supposed to die before their time, before it is their time to go, right? But when someone who in theory has the privilege to survive encounters with the state dies anyway, or who are supposed to be able to operate in spaces where people like them traditionally cannot operate and they die anyway, those are pinpoint moments in our history. For instance, white northerners like Reverend James Reeb and Viola Liuzzo in the 1960s, 60s, when they leave the north and go down south and are operating alongside civil rights leaders, but they still get killed and shot dead, just like the black civil rights leaders and black civilians that they're trying to protect. When Goodman and Schwerner get treated just like Cheney, it's not supposed to happen because in theory, they're using their white privilege to come down south and try to affect change. And if Jason could throw up a seven, they're theoretically trying to help people who are black, but because they are white, Viola Eliuzo or Reverend James Reeb or Goodman And Schwerner, they're supposed to be protected technically from the state. Right. But they get treated exactly like the black people they're trying to protect. That's not supposed to happen. That's a pinpoint moment when the rest of the country goes, whoa, hold on a second. These white folks aren't safe. Or when Emmett Till goes down to Mississippi from Chicago and gets treated just like the blacks in Chicago have been lynched. They've been lynching local blacks, but they were not supposed to touch a Northern boy. It's a pinpoint moment. Or George Floyd. George Floyd. It's not a pinpoint moment in the sense that he's not of the demographic that gets killed by police disproportionately. It's because people had been telling black people, despite all of the evidence, going all the way back before Trayvon Martin, that police were just killing us. Right. Trayvon Martin obviously was killed by a wannabe cop, not a real one, but black people had this sense that police feel a sense of impunity to just kill us in the street. And people. Yeah, that you're just, you're hysterical, you're being, you're giving hysterics. Until they watched a 17 minute snuff film shot by a bystander in which the policeman, with cameras rolling to knowing he's on camera, went ahead and killed George Floyd anyway in front of everybody with three other cops there helping to hold him down. These are pinpoint moments. And I would argue that when killers step out of pocket, whether they are enemy, they are agents of the state, or they are extremists working within the racist system of the state, those are pinpoint moments that actually make changes. And Ms. Good's murder, one day after the fifth anniversary of the January 6th insurrection, it's one of those pinpoint moments. She is. To abolish ICE or stop ice or ICE is not welcome here. As George Floyd was to Black Lives Matter or as Trayvon Martin was to Black Lives Matter when you were talking about non police. She's an inflection moment. She's an inflection moment. And I would argue that Heather Heyer would have been an inflection moment had the pro democracy side organized around her the way that the right organized around Lake and Riley. The right seized on Lake and Riley to say white women are in jeopardy and must be protected from the hordes of brown illegals. They cast illegals, which is a slur word that's basically like the N word to say these brown men that are in the country illegally, they are, are a danger, specifically to the Lake and Riley's of the world, to white women. But when a white woman gets shot in the face and called a by her killer, it's an inflection moment because unlike the sort of delayed reaction to Heather Heyer where people didn't react, the left didn't react to her, even though they should have because her life was precious. But in that case, they could say, well, those were Nazis, those were Nazis that a Nazi drove into her. In this case, it's the authorities, the federal authorities, who your government is telling you are protecting women like Renee Good from brown and black immigrants. I will now note that ICE 2025 was ICE's deadliest year in decades. They killed 32 people last year in 2025. Let me show you. A 9 is just the stats. The bar chart is like crazy. The bar chart is wild. Look at the bar chart. They killed more people just last year than they did in the three years previously combined. And this year is not exactly starting off well. Let me let you hear J.D. vance blaming Ms. Good for her own death. President, thank you for taking questions today. Is there a risk with you describing her as a deranged leftist talking about very specific facts of these events when an investigation is just beginning? Are you preempting a thorough investigation by drawing such conclusions? And have you received any information beyond.

[J]

The videos we've seen publicly about this.

[Joy Reid]

Individual, her specific acts that has informed your point of view?

[J.D. Vance]

Well, first of all, the Department of Justice is going to investigate this. The Department of Homeland Security has already investigated investigating this. But the simple fact is what you see is what you get in this case. You have a woman who is trying to obstruct a legitimate law enforcement operation. Nobody debates that. You have a woman who aimed her car at a law enforcement officer and pressed on the accelerator. Nobody debates that. I can believe that her death is a tragedy while also recognizing that it's a tragedy of her own making and a tragedy of the far left who has marshaled an entire movement, a lunatic fringe, against our law enforcement officers for that.

[Joy Reid]

A Catholic newspaper called JD Vance a moral stain, immoral stain, for what he said about this dead Christian woman. Joining me now is Jill Garvey, executive director of States at the Core, which is which ran an ICE Watch training just this week that was attended by more than 500 Minnesota residents. More than 10,000 people nationwide have undergone stacked ICE Watch training. And they have pro. They have pro. They were profiled recently by NBC News, CNN and NPR for helping ordinary residents organize a coordinated response to ICE operations rather than experiencing them in isolation. Jill Garvey, thank you for being here.

[J]

Thanks for having me.

[Joy Reid]

I wonder how you feel about if I'm taking it too far to say that Renee Good's shooting death is an inflection moment like George Floyd's was for Black Lives Matter.

[J]

I think it certainly is. There's a lot of parallels. I mean, it was only seven blocks away from where George Floyd was murdered. And I also think there's a lot of parallels in what bystanders did in those minutes and moments. We wouldn't really know what happened to Renee unless her neighbors were filming it. Right. And the bystander who filmed George Floyd's death so bravely. Right. Sort of blew open this. This lie about how people are treated by law enforcement. Right. And so it. It's sort of as tragic as the events a couple of Renee's killing is. The event itself actually is the reason so many people are continuing to stand up and document what they're seeing, because we can't contend with the lies and the false narratives unless we have our own evidence.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah. And I think some of the specific circumstances I think make this. And again, all of the people who've been killed by ICE, I have a whole long list of them. 37 people just in 2025. These are all horrific cases. Most of them are either black, brown, or Asian. But in this case, there's something about the fact that the right has built a narrative around white women being the ones being protected, that mass deportation is designed to protect white women. And then this police officer in a white suburb of a nice neighborhood, not on some mean street, not in some dangerous. In a suburb, shooting this woman in the face while her neighbors are watching and while he and other officers are filming it on their cameras, not even no body cam, and essentially saying this white woman is a. Is a quote, unquote, dumb bitch, and I can kill her at will. It's. Something about that, to me, is just different.

[J]

I. I think it. We've seen this in Chicago, too. I'm based in Chicago, and we had ICE shootings here. Very similar shooting of a man who was being targeted by ICE in a traffic stop, clearly got scared, started to drive away, and was shot in the.

[David Corn]

Head.

[J]

And his car crashed into another car. I mean, he died, I'm sure, almost instantly. But they also shot a responder on the southwest side of Chicago, a woman. And eerily enough, we hear the same language right before he shot her. You dumb beef.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah.

[J]

Right. And so there's a level of. I mean, there's a repetition here.

[Joy Reid]

Right.

[J]

We now see a pattern. People who are deemed not American enough are going to be targeted with this deadly force. But also people who align themselves. Right. With those who are not American enough in their eyes.

[Joy Reid]

That's right. She's. I mean, Renee Good is Viola Liuzzo. She is James. Reverend James Reeb. She is considered a race traitor because she's standing with Somalis and brown people. She's Heather Heyer, you know, And I feel like what the pro democracy side does wrong is that we don't seize upon these cases the way that Lake and Riley was seized upon. But that's just my personal opinion. I wanna talk about the trainings that you all do. Um, what do you advise, who do? Because my understanding is that Renee Goode was not somebody who was trained in what you all do. Is that correct?

[J]

I don't know. I think. I don't know and I don't know what happened in the minutes up to when she was killed. But it's possible she had experienced some sort of training. There's a lot of training that's happening. What we also find is these situ. These scenarios become more. Are becoming more chaotic.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah.

[J]

More dangerous. I say agents and Border Patrol agents are becoming more aggressive. So even if someone had been trained right, they. They are. People are finding themselves caught up in situations where they have masked armed men coming at them. Right. And. And they can't always execute their training perfectly.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah, right. What do you tell people to do? Because I've seen a lot of people blowing whistles when they see ICE agents going up to, you know, it's mainly a brown person at Home Depot and they start to aggress them. They start to chase them or attack them. I see people blowing whistles and filming. Is that the. What do you tell people to do? What do you train them to do?

[J]

There's one tactic, right, is to. It's to make some noise. Right. The whistles are really, really effective for two reasons. One is it actually warns people nearby who might be vulnerable to get a Get away. Right. To move away. This is a dangerous situation. Someone might be being. Someone's being detained or there's ice present. Move away from the situation if you're a vulnerable person. But it also is sort of this universal signal to other people who are hopefully trained, but are willing to be observers and witness to come to that place and be extra eyes. So it's one thing we train on, but we train folks to most Importantly, document everything you possibly can.

[Joy Reid]

Right.

[J]

To do it as safely as possible, but document as much as you can. Try to get support to people who are being targeted.

[Joy Reid]

Right.

[J]

Just because someone is being abducted, that's not the end of the story, right? There is. There is time to get them support, potentially. There is time to get in touch with their families. So trying to learn who they are, get them support. That's part of what we train on. The third thing is de escalation. So we're often training people to manage their own sort of biological responses in these situations. It is not normal to interact with aggressive federal law enforcement.

[David Corn]

Right.

[J]

It is just not something that most people, unless you, frankly, have been targeted by police abuse and race or racially profiled.

[Joy Reid]

Right.

[J]

Like, a lot of people, a lot of white people do not have a history of these kinds of interactions with law enforcement. And so we really want to train them to, you know, unfortunately, carry the burden of keeping these instances as safe as possible and protecting the people around them.

[Joy Reid]

It's kind of amazing that the thing that a lot of black, particularly black folks were saying after the election was, we're gonna fall back in terms of protesting and marching because we're not gonna put our bodies on the line. When a majority of white people voted for Trump and white people, you do it. And I remember having this conversation with Steve Schmidt, and he said, well, what can white folks do? And I said, you all get out there and fight back against this guy because you guys have the privilege to be able to deal with law enforcement. You can talk to law enforcement. You can say, well, you know, you work for me. Like, there's stuff you could do that we can't do. This is what's partly so frightening about this, is this shatters that, because this says white people aren't safe either. These people are willing to shoot white women in the face in front of everyone on camera. They don't give a damn if you're a white woman. They don't care if you're affluent. They don't care if you're blonde. They don't care if you're a mom, if you have kids. She's a. This woman was a Christian. They don't give a damn. And I. I feel like there's something deeply unsettling and not that anyone should be targeted, but these people have crossed a line. They've said, we don't even care if you are a white woman. We coming to kill you.

[J]

Yeah, I. I think what we saw in the aftermath of the shooting, too, was Just so callous. Right? What the agents walking away, you know, not letting medical, a physician get to her and apply aid.

[Lev Parnas]

Right.

[J]

Walking down the street, I had. I was talking to a dispatcher who was on the, you know, somebody who works on one of the rapid response communication threads and, and had immediate news about what was happening on the ground and was. Was communicating with other responders there. And she said they, you know, she was only a few blocks away and they walked down her street, started kicking in people's doors, kept detaining people.

[Joy Reid]

Right.

[J]

And then they went to Roosevelt High School and. And tear gas a bunch of moms and took a student and detained some teachers. Right. It's just.

[Joy Reid]

It's a show. Yeah. Well, it's also martial law. It's also apartheid. This is what white South Africa was like during apartheid. I'm going to play a video and I'm going to warn you, I'm going to apologize in advance for playing it. This is that we found a slower motion video of what happened to Renee Good. I'm going to play it because it gives lie to everything that they're saying. So let's play that if we could, Jason. And you can see in this video, you can turn the sound all the way down, if you could, Jason, that there's no. Kristi Noem said that the. That the ice car was stuck in the snow. You can see there's not enough snow to be stuck in. They were in an SUV. You can see Ms. Good trying to back up and get away. You can see, as the New York Times stated, that the officer is free of the car. The car does not drive into him. It doesn't drive into him at all. So everything they said is a lie. And now let's play a 12. What you do see, while these officers don't seem to be distraught at all about what they just did. Here's a 12. Renee Good's wife was a part of the conflagration. She was a part of the confrontation. And here she is reacting to that. This is 8:12, Jason.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

They just killed that lady right there in that car.

[Lev Parnas]

Y' all.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

Killed that lady in that car.

[Lev Parnas]

It's a lady right there in that car, y'. All.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

Y' all know who car this is. Tell them to come check on their people.

[Joy Reid]

We can leave it there. Jason. A lot of people online, you know, there are people are assuming that that is Renee Good's wife. It's heartbreaking to just listen to it. I'm sorry, I'm trying not to cry, but they're also now trying to blame Renee Goode's wife for this and saying she was the one who got Renee Goode to come and do this and to attempt to interrupt the abduction of other people. When you're training people, if they're working together, how do you get people mentally ready for the fact that this could be violent? Right. And, and that if you take, you and a friend are doing this, one of you might not go home from it. Like, are you confronting people with that information?

[J]

We, we, we start our trainings talking about how this is not an individual activity, this is a community. This is community work and you have to do it in community. In Chicago, we had enough evidence. I mean, we had ICE agents pulling guns on people, pointing them at their faces.

[Joy Reid]

Right.

[J]

Pointing them into their cars, blocking them into, you know, alleyways and whisking them away. All responders. Right. People trying to document what was happening. So we do prepare people for aggression.

[Joy Reid]

Right.

[J]

And the potential for violence. I think what happened to Renee is, is next level. Yeah, it is. We do also talk a lot about people's risk level. So, you know, are you a caregiver? Do you have to go pick up your kids from school? Do you have an elderly parent who relies on you?

[David Corn]

Right.

[J]

What is your risk tolerance here? Because we want people to go into these situations really clear eyed that.

[Joy Reid]

That.

[J]

They'Re dangerous and, and, and unpro. And they can be unpredictable. I think, you know, it's hard to say from the videos. And I, and I, and I don't want to do what the administration is doing, which is to like jump to conclusions before there's an, there's a, you know, form a narrative before there's an investigation. But, you know, she was blocked. It looked like she was blocked in.

[Joy Reid]

Right.

[J]

And she was going to have a hard time driving away from that scene anyways. And so, you know, we're often training people to just be really conscientious of what is happening around you. Are you getting blocked in? Right. Are you surrounded and have people with you who can help get you out of that situation? So always, you know, yes, there's someone who's documenting, who's holding up a camera and recording everything. There should be somebody behind them who's helping survey the scene. But in a place like Minneapolis, there are so many agents, there is so much activity and there is so much aggression, it's hard to hold responders there. The people who are trying to valiantly trying to observe everything and document everything, responsible for being out there and doing everything. Exactly the way you're supposed to do it so that everybody stays safe.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah. Let me just play one more clip for you. And apologies in advance. It's J.D. vance talking about the next wave. Next phase of this nightmare.

[J.D. Vance]

One is actually getting two and a half million illegal aliens out without any of the really big marquee things that we've been working on. That was just simple willpower. And the President, United States coming in and saying, this is done. I think we're to see those deportation numbers ramp up as we get more and more people online working for ice, going door to door and making sure that if you're an illegal alien, you've got to get out of this country. And if you want to come back, apply through the proper channel.

[Joy Reid]

This is reminiscent of Operation Wetback. And apologies for using that term, but that is what they called it. And this is when President Dwight D. Eisenhower attempted to do a mass deportation. People died in this effort because it was extremely aggressive, as is this effort right now. And so he's made it clear they're not just going to be stopping people in their cars and maybe killing people in their cars. They're going to be going door to door. This is giving 1930s Nazi vibes. How do you train people to maybe have their door kicked in by a masked agent who's not going to even show a warrant? Like, how do you even begin to train people for that?

[J]

I. I think it starts with, like, people really understanding their rights, but also, I mean, the best thing they possibly can do is, like, turn on that recorder, get everything they possibly can. Like, even if it's not visual, having an audio recording of everything that's happening. Right.

[Joy Reid]

This. Go.

[J]

This is the same thing if ICE agents approach your car. We saw ICE agents in, in Chicago approaching cars they thought were following them. These weren't cars that were purposely following them. These were people who were just kind of caught up and whatever was whatever, you know, they were being a little bit paranoid and going after people who just happened to be behind them on the street. Right. So, you know, I think, frankly, every American who's in a city where this kind of enforcement escalation is happening needs to know what to do. One is to know your rights and know how to assert them. Right. It doesn't have to be done perfectly. You just have to be able to say, I have a right to be here.

[Joy Reid]

Right.

[J]

This is a public roadway. This is a public. This is my private property. You don't. You don't have a judicial warrant. Right. That sort of thing. It doesn't mean it's going to stop them.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah.

[J]

From breaking down your door or breaking in your car window.

[Joy Reid]

Right.

[J]

And trying to yank you out. It means we have a record and we can fight back with that evidence.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah. Jill Garvey, let people know if they have the stomach for it and would like to take this training. I actually think everyone should take this kind of training because you just never know. You, like you said, you may not purposefully attempt to be an activist, but you may be confronted because just because you don't necessarily care about ice doesn't mean they don't care about you. You know, where can people get stacks? Ice watch training.

[J]

You can do our ice watch training. We actually, we have one coming up on January 19th. It's going to go up on our sub stack. My comms person is going to kill me because I don't, I don't know what our sub stack is. I think it's just the states at the core. Slash states at the core. But what I will also say is in person training or more localized training is best.

[Joy Reid]

Right.

[J]

So lots of cities, like last night I was on with Minnesota, Minneapolis organizers who were holding a training. There were a thousand people there. Yeah, right. That's where you find your community, too. So if you can do in person training or virtual training with, like your local immigrant rights group, that's great. Or come do it with us. We'd love to have you.

[Joy Reid]

This is important to do. We are living in fascism and so we need to act accordingly. Jill Garvey, thank you so much for all that you do. And if you could, whenever you get a chance, just email our producer the info on the substack and we'll make sure that we put it in the show description and we send it out on the sub stack so that we can make sure that everybody can follow you. Thank you.

[J]

Thank you so much.

[Joy Reid]

Thank you. I appreciate you. So, as we've seen throughout the show, JD Vance has been rolled out to replace the behatted Kristi Gnome as the spokesman for the killing of Renee. Good. Let's see how that's going. B1, please.

[J.D. Vance]

Had to run somebody over with her car and the guy defended himself when that happened. Next question. I said next question.

[Joy Reid]

Joining me now is my dear friend David Korn, the. The editor at pooba, boss man and star of Mother Jones. If you're not already reading Mother Jones and subscribe to it, you're. You're, you're out of your mind. You should absolutely do it. This guy breaks Stories. And he's a brilliant journalist and just a good guy. David, Happy New Year.

[David Corn]

I guess, you know, we had two. We had two days in 2026 without a conc. Constitutional crisis and without a war, let alone what happened this week.

[Joy Reid]

It. And I want to get you to weigh in as well, because you weren't. I know you were backstage for a little bit of my discussion with Ms. Garvey. But it is a Rubicon to me. Killing this young woman, this young white woman. It's sort of the inverse. Lake and Riley, right? It's not the quote, unquote, illegals who are killing white women. It's ice.

[David Corn]

Right. You know, I think there are so many different ways to think about this. And, you know, we as human beings organize our lives basically through stories. You know, we can. We can't understand gigantic events involving big numbers, even like, say, climate change or, you know, the idea of killing 6 million Jews or, you know, even genocide in. In Gaza. These are really hard things to wrap your mind around if you don't experience it yourself. But the idea of someone on a nice looking block, maybe a block like where you live, being gunned down in this fashion that we all see now, I mean, there's no, you know, there's no question about what happened. You know, all you, you know, you know, you know, I want to say F. J.D. vance, all you need to do is look at the wheels on the car. They're turned away from the officer. She's not. Whatever she was doing, she wasn't trying to ram him. She wasn't purposely committing an act of domestic terrorism, as Kristi Noem said, you know, whether what she did was right, wrong, and whatever, it doesn't matter. What they're saying is a lie. And so when you see that, you see the video, you see the way, you know, the new video that came out this afternoon and how the ICE agent responded, calling her a bitch. It's very, very real. I mean, my street kind of looks like that, and I'm looking out the window now. And, you know, and I think we just. The way we're organized as humans, you just. You just realize right away, what does that mean to me? How. You know, how would I fit into that situation? Could that happen to me, to someone I like, to someone I love? I happen to have one of my closest friends, his daughter lives next door to Renee Goode.

[Joy Reid]

Oh, my God.

[David Corn]

You know, not even six degrees of separation. She didn't know her, but her housemates did. So it's very, very visceral. And very obvious. And really brings down or brings home this immense cruelty that we've been seeing for about a year now. And I think about it in concentric circles, Right. You know, stuff's happening to a day laborer at Home Depot. Okay. That's not too far from me. I may have someone like that working in my house. It's close. It's not right next to me. Someone with a kid who was a high school football star in Worcester, Massachusetts, gets taken away. You know, the kid, the people sent to El Salvador. I see it, I don't like it. I feel for them. I feel the pain. But as things get closer to us, to our own set of experiences, they just register more. So we all have seen on online. I know from people talking to people at work. Those of us who have friends and relatives who are not politically aligned with us may not be politically engaged at all, know about this. And they feel upset about it. And it's disturbing and unsettling. And maybe they didn't want to think about what was happening before and it was easier not to because it didn't happen to people like them or they didn't see quite explicit videos about it.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah.

[David Corn]

Now it's unavoidable. You have to come to terms with this. Which is why. And I'll finish up here. Which is why you see this desperate attempt, attempt to lie about it, because you can't. It's. It's this event. You know, so many terrible things have happened thousands, tens of thousands of people over the last year, but this one event is inescapable.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. And the question I ask you, and that I'm asking folks, is like, how do you prepare yourself to think about, you know, they are using phone trackers. They are. They're using Palantir technology to track all of our phones so that they can triangulate to find all the brown people. Right. Because this is an attempt at ethnic cleansing. And they have high tech ethnic cleansing. So it's like operation went back, but on, but with. With tech. Which means that each and every one of us may at some point have a target in our home, visiting us, working somewhere on our property. A construction worker that's helping you do your remodel, you know, your Reno. Anyone can be a target. So we all have to start thinking about what it's like to potentially have our doors kicked in at some point and some masked men who won't show a warrant busting in the door, maybe smashing up your house and dragging maybe you Maybe a family member, anyone with an accent out. Like, this is. It's like, oh, this is what it would felt like in Nazi Germany when suddenly your neighbors just disappeared, that they were there one day and they weren't the next. Oh, this is what it was like in South Africa during apartheid when in any moment the white police would kick in the door and just drag some black man off. Oh, this is what it was like when the slave catchers would show up in New Hampshire or Massachusetts to drag some poor black person down south to Slate. You know what I mean? Like, we're actually seeing what these things were like.

[David Corn]

Well, it's, you know, these are police state tactics. You know, what describes, you know, what makes a police state. It's basically the excessive use and the excessive threatening of violence in our society. People are allowed to use violence like the state is allowed to use violence under certain circumstances. And we have set up rules and laws and norms for the employment of violence that cops and military people and others can use. But what we've done now with this creation of ICE is create an authority that doesn't seem to abide by rules. It doesn't seem to have good training. It doesn't. We don't, you know, even its mission is unclear. We're told that originally, and that's why people voted for Trump, those who did that it would target criminals and get them out of the country. Well, it's not doing that. And there was never a discussion, never debate, never vote. It's this, you know, Stephen Miller snapped his fingers and this is. And they're going after people of color, whether they are threats or not.

[Joy Reid]

Many of them, even if they're citizens, by the way. Even. Not even citizens.

[David Corn]

Yeah, and citizens, too. People who, many who are actually productive citizens, paying taxes, and many of them are paying taxes and not even getting the benefits, such as Social Security that you and I get as citizens. So, you know, this is what police states do. And I, you know, a year about a year ago, as Trump was coming into power, I wrote a piece from Other Jones in which I said, you know, I don't want to be hyperbolic here, but, you know, here's what could happen in terms of developing a police state. And I have to say my imagination was not as good as it should have been, because I. The examples that I put into the article have long been exceeded by what's happening here. And I do think. And so when you have a police force of this nature, like paramilitary groups that you see sometimes in Latin American countries and other Countries, other nations with dictatorships. It's the question of authority. You lose autonomy as a citizen if the state has authority to knock on your door and burst in without warrants or grab you off the street. And so that's, you know, what we're seeing here is, is it's a profound change in American society.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah. And by the way, David, this is what happens in Nicolas Maduro's Venezuela. This is what happened in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. This is lit. Donald Trump is Nicolas Maduro. There's no difference. Arresting journalists, arresting citizens, that kicking in your door. Yeah, that's what Maduro is doing. I want to play for you a little clip here of the person who's a bit the star of the show tonight. He is a vile, slimy, sleazy, slithering snake of an individual, J.D. vance, who in my, in my mind, and apparently the Catholic publications are now calling him as vile as he is and calling him out for warping the word of God, pretending to be a Christian. He is not a Christian. He is a complete, complete fraud. But here he is attempting to explain.

[J.D. Vance]

Why it is walking out here. Somebody sent me a photo of a CNN headline about what happened in Minneapolis. And this is the headline. I'm just going to read it. Outrage after ICE Officer Kills US Citizen in Minneapolis. Well, that's one way to put it. And that is the way that many people in the corporate media have been put this attack over the last 24 hours. And I say attack very, very intentionally because this was an attack on federal law enforcement. This was an attack on law and order. This was an attack on the American people. The way that the media by and large has reported this story has been an absolute disgrace and it puts our law enforcement officers at risk every single day. What that headline leaves out is the fact that that very often ICE officer nearly had his life ended, dragged by a car six months ago, 33 stitches in his leg. So you think maybe he's a little bit sensitive about somebody ramming him with an automobile? What that headline leaves out is that that woman was there to interfere with a legitimate law enforcement operation in the United States of America. What that headline leaves out is that that woman has is part of a broader left wing network to attack, to dox, to assault, and to make it impossible for our ICE officers to do their job. If the media wants to tell the truth, they ought to tell the truth. That a group of left wing radicals have been working tirelessly, sometimes using domestic terror techniques to try to make it impossible for the president of the United States to do what the American people elected him to do, which is enforce our immigration laws. The president stands with ice, please.

[Joy Reid]

We got to stop it there. There's a lot in there.

[David Corn]

I'm invoking the mercy Mercy roll here.

[Joy Reid]

The mercy roll? Yeah. So he's. He's. He's lecturing the media about the headlines, but it's interesting what he did there, because he's an idiot. And, Yale, you didn't do a good job with that one. You didn't work on him hard enough. He reveals that the officer who killed Renee Good has a prior history which we now know of having been dragged, like, a hundred feet in his car. That says to me, why are you putting that son of a on the street? To deal with people who are, in their mind, interfering. No, the American people have a right to observe law enforcement. Filming law enforcement, parking your car near them, beeping your horn was. That's not illegal. That's not interfering with law enforcement. She didn't touch him. She didn't touch him at all. She said, I'm not mad at you, man. He got pissed off that she and her wife wouldn't. Wouldn't respect him, and because he felt disrespected, he blew her away in front of her neighbors.

[David Corn]

Let me move back from the details for a second. The absolute absence of grace in this man is stunning. And if this had happened prior to the Trump era, we all would be shocked by such a reaction. I mean, as if we had never heard it before. Not the reaction we're having now because it's so foul. And that is to not come out and say for, you know, in. In days past, the typical response would be, this is a tragedy.

[Joy Reid]

Right?

[David Corn]

You know, this. Whatever happened, whoever was right and whoever was wrong, it should not have ended in the death of this woman. That's, like, the first thing that, you know, one would have said. Even if you. You know, even if you want to draw conclusions from what you saw, because, you know, what he. What he. What he's getting at. This gets to a point that I wrote about earlier this week, is that if you don't do what we want, we have the right to kill you. I mean, even. Even if what he said is true, it isn't. But if she was interfering with a federal law enforcement officer as he's walking down the street with other officers and not threatening him physically with death, but if she was interfering with him, that's not a death sentence. You don't have extrajudicial killings in the United States. We do have them in the Caribbean now, thanks to Trump, we have my overseas otherwise, but we're not supposed to have in the United States. So even if he's right on the points, this is where you didn't take good debating courses in Yale. The punishment here is not justifiable. Then you do other things. And the protocols, we all know what the protocols are for DHS and ICE agents, when they supposed to fire, when they're not supposed to fire. And he did not abide by those protocols. They exist. And this gets to the larger point of authority and rules governing the use of state power. But he's saying there are no rules. We can do what we want. Violence is us. Violence is ours to use. If you get in the way, no matter how serious that way may be minor, medium, or excessive, we can kill you and not feel bad about it. We can call you and slander you a domestic terrorist and not feel bad about it. This is, you know, repression, dictatorship, authoritarianism. If you want to call it fascism, I won't argue with you. It's certainly the fascist mentality. This goes beyond what Orwell could have ever told us when he said, you know, ultimately the. The triumph of the party was to get you to believe that two plus two equals five. We've all seen this, these videos, but the reality doesn't matter to them. The rules don't matter to them. And, I mean, I think we've all gotten past the point of wondering about JD Vance. He is just, you know, he's always the biggest troll in the room. He has not an ounce of empathy or sympathy for anyone else. And I guess he thinks this is his way to the. To the. To the big chair behind the Resolute desk in the White House. But it's disgusting and deplorable. And, you know, I'm not a Christian, but I'm pretty damn sure this is not what Jesus would do in a moment like this.

[Joy Reid]

That is what the Catholic magazines are saying. That's why they are denouncing him. You know, and I certainly hope that his wife's family are safe from the world that he is setting up, because they are brown people. Let me play. You're going to probably invoke the mercy rule again. And I'm only playing this because I'm back to backing them for a reason, because J.D. vance is not the Vice President United States. He's just a troll who's flapping like a trained seal to entertain MAGA and Trump. And he's no different from this guy and this Is interesting because I know you covered the extreme extremism of QAnon, which we never thought would actually move into the White House. But QAnon has taken up residence inside the White House. Jason, if you could play this Trump supporter in Minneapolis threatening the crowd as he stands with law enforcement, unlike what they did on January 6, 2021. The storm is here. When we come one, we go all.

[Wajahat Ali]

No one can stop what is coming.

[Joy Reid]

Get here here, guys who leave you in Minnesota.

[Ellie Mustal]

These people are terrorists.

[Joy Reid]

Patriots, get out here.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

We need the backup.

[Joy Reid]

And all you liberal comedy keep their hands to yourself. You're gonna get hurt today.

[Jason (Producer/Assistant)]

All right, we execute.

[Joy Reid]

Hey, we executed one of you yesterday. Okay, we'll leave it there. So that is a Trump supporter saying we executed one of you yesterday. So. And standing with law enforcement. It is such an a weird dichotomy with January 6, 2021, when that same guy was beating the hell out of that same type of guy. That guy, I don't know if he himself was at January 6th insurrection, but that type were beating up law enforcement. And people like JD Vance are claiming law enforcement aren't even worthy of a plaque in the, in the Capitol.

[David Corn]

They don't care about law enforcement. They don't care about rules and order. They care about power.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah.

[David Corn]

And when it serves their power to celebrate police officers and law enforcement, they'll go to those breakfasts. They'll go and they say that they wear the blue badge. And when it is a challenge to them because they're the ones who are trying to break the rules, then the cops don't matter. I mean, yesterday, not yesterday, on Tuesday was January 6th. I happened to be in the Capitol and I saw proud boys walking through the Capitol wearing their MAGA T shirts and MAGA hats. And they were chuckling and laughing. It was like, yeah, five years later, you guys were able to act violently, nearly overthrow the government, and you got away with it.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah.

[David Corn]

And you know, the guys like, you know, you just showed on the screen, they will always be here. They always have been fringe extremists, violent radicals. And the whole point of having a rule based society is to marginalize people like that. But what Trump has done, he's empowered them and with his pardons. And if you want to see the most brazen act of government gaslighting, I think ever in American history, go to the January 6 website that the White House just put up on Twitter Tuesday. It's just remarkable how welling it is. But they are celebrating the patriots who were at the Capitol and who've been pardoned. And they're basically saying, again, my point that I come back to that violence is us. We can use violence and we can celebrate those people who commit violence. Trump says there's no international law that will stop them. He can use violence against boats in the Caribbean or violence to get Nicolas Maduro. This is the message we're getting as we head into the second year of the second Trump presidency. You know, we have the violence and we will use it. We will use it internationally, we will threaten Greenland, we will use it at home. We will justify it. I mean, the message that you get from J.D. vance, Kristi Noem, and Donald Trump when they call Renee Good domestic terrorist and basically say that she got what she deserved, really what they're saying is this could happen to you, get in our way, and this could happen to you. Now, it's one thing when a thug on the street says that with a microphone to show how big is, you know, what is, but it's another thing when that comes from the guy who's supposed to defend the Constitution, number two, and the person in charge of protecting the homeland. Yeah, I mean, that's what they're saying. This could happen to you.

[Joy Reid]

And.

[David Corn]

But it gets to the other side that we got to at the beginning of the show. We are all Renee Goode. Yeah, that's right. Because now we're realizing this could happen to us. You know, there have been ice stops on my street, and I haven't been here when that. But if there was to be one and I was home, I would be out on the street filming, talking to the person, maybe trying to get their phone number to give to let a loved one know I would be there. So, yes, we are all. Oh, maybe we should all be think about. But we are all Renee Goode. And they're telling us, this is the price you could pay for that.

[Joy Reid]

I have two more things that I want to talk to you about. Well, one of them is kind of the response on the other side, I will note. We're not going to play it, but Mayor Fry has said that the regime is now looking to sue the state of Minnesota and other states basically to try to break their sanctuary city policy. Because they don't want to just have the show. They want to force these blue states and blue cities to no longer be sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. Jason, I don't know how long that sound bite is. Do you want to play that before?

[Stephen Miller]

We just got word that the Trump administration is suing Minneapolis and a number of others jurisdictions in Minnesota, because of our stance on immigration and our defense of our separation ordinance, we will not back down. We will fight with every bit of our strength for our immigrant communities. We will stand by our neighbors and we're going to win in court. So let's just be really clear to everybody. This is not an issue where we will back down. We're going to win this thing.

[Joy Reid]

First of all, I love that guy. I think he is an incredible. The mayors have been outstanding. Mayor Brandon Johnson also had an incredible statement the other day. Mayor Mamdani came out strong saying, we are going to stand with immigrants. The mayors and governors are standing up. But what do you make of the fact that they're now going to use the Justice Department to try to bully these cities and states to no longer be sanctuary cities?

[David Corn]

You know, I think Trump's losing. We'll talk politics here for a second. It's not the most important thing, but we'll talk politics here. I think he's losing. I mean, polls show that he's like 20 points below. And if you ask people, do you like how he's pursuing his immigration policy? I think up before all this, before he came into office, the idea of sanctuary city was, I think, to some people offensive or just. They were opposed to it, always controversial. They didn't know, like, why, you know, are they. Are cities breaking the law? Are they. Are they protecting criminals? Are they. You know, there was. It was not a necessary majority position politically, you know, particularly people who did not live in sanctuary cities, but who looked at sanctuary cities.

[Joy Reid]

Right.

[David Corn]

And just the way that people thought, like, yeah, getting rid of, you know, what they call legals or undocumented people. Yeah, that kind of sounds good to me. Right. But the implement, you know, but the implementation of this, the way they're doing it and sort of how it's revealing, not that the intent is racist, you know, it's not. You know, they argued that it was about criminals. No, it's really about brown people right now. And so they are showing the people, showing voters, American citizens, what they're really up to. And so if you asked me about a fight over sanctuary cities a year or two ago, I would say that might be a hard fight for liberals and progressives to win. But now we see the need for sanctuary cities. Now we see sanctuary cities versus ice. And I think if those are the polar opposites here, are those the two camps? I think a lot of Americans who hadn't thought much about sanctuary cities are going to be on their side or at least not be opposed to them. So I think this is a fight to have. I mean, everything's being becoming more crystal clear. I mean, for bad reasons. But we're getting the more extreme and excessive Trump ice, Stephen Miller and J.D. vance, and they get the less ambiguity and it forces people to take sides. You know, for decades we talk about wedge issues. Right. What's a wedge? This is a wedge. It pushes up into the population and it pushes people here and pushes people there. Now, they always thought that a wedge issue would be more to one side. Right. And give them the majority and leave people who like abortion or want to restrict guns in a minority position. But they're creating this tremendous wedge now that's not working politically for them. So I think Mayor Fry and some of the other mayors and governors out there are feeling empowered to do this. They're not running from the fight. Whether it's Gavin Newsom, Kathy Hochul in New York, they're all been very, very strong in all this stuff. And so, you know, I hate, you know, I don't want to talk about civil war and things like this, but we are creating, you know, Trump is forcing.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah.

[David Corn]

Some very strong lines of division in this country. And, you know, I hate to see National Guard troops ever end up fighting with federal law enforcement agents. Agents. But that's kind of what Trump and Stephen Miller would like to see.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah. Yeah. It's wild that we wound up being the state's right side in the end. David, who knew? Who knew? Who knew? Thank you, my friend. We will see you, but please come back often. We appreciate you. Everybody, please make sure you subscribe to Mother Jones. Go to Mother Jones. You guys are.com or.org. you know, I always forget we're dot com.

[David Corn]

But let me also put in a plug for my newsletter or land. Go for it twice. Twice a week. You can go to davidcorn.com and sign up for that. That's the newsletter about politics, culture, arts, media. Anything that you'd want to hear Joy talk about, I write about.

[Joy Reid]

I love it. And I have a subscriber already. And we're going to make sure that we put the link in the description so everybody can sign up and we'll all be in the fam. Thank you very much, David. Appreciate you. Happy weekend.

[David Corn]

You too.

[Joy Reid]

Thank you very much. And as we exit the segment, let me just play for you. David mentioned Donald Trump saying he has no checks and balances. Let's just play that real quick. It's B5.

[J]

If you could, Jason, see any Checks on your power on the world stage. Is there anything that could stop you.

[Joy Reid]

If you wanted to?

[David Corn]

Yeah, there's one thing. My own morality, my own mind. It's the only thing that can stop and that's. I don't need international. I'm not looking to hurt people.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah, you don't need international law. I can do whatever I want. Basically, he's like, I'm. It's my country and I can do whatever I want. Do you guys remember when Kevin Roberts, who, if you don't remember who Kevin Roberts is, he's. He was the president or if he still is the president of Project 2025. They're the one, the people who created Project 2025, which is the Heritage Foundation. That guy, remember when he said this, this really wild statement here?

[Wajahat Ali]

It is C1 about the radical left.

[Ellie Mustal]

You and I have both been parts of faculties and faculty senates and understand that the left has taken over our institutions. The reason that they are apoplectic right now, the reason that so many anchors on msnbc, for example, are losing their minds daily, is because our side is winning. And so I come full circle in this response and just want to encourage you with some substance that we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be the second.

[Joy Reid]

American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be. Well, apparently it's not going to be bloodless. He said that. Kevin Roberts on Steve Bannon's podcast, which was being run by a co host because at that point Steve Bannon was in prison for the fraud charges that he was convicted of. The murder of Megan Good has made it very clear that it's not gonna be bloodless. And she is again just one of the many people that have been killed by ice. I could go through all of the names. Gentry Ruiz Gulian, Sarawit Karazin Dejean of Ethiopia. Maxim Chernock of Ukraine, a Ukrainian citizen. Juan Alexis Tamao Martinez Brzon Ryo Noam Ngok Nguyen. Who is that name sounds Vietnamese. Marie ang Blaze, a 44 year old Haitian woman. Alberto Avellania Delgado, 68 years old. Jesus Molina Vella. Johnny Noviello Isidro Perez Tien Shuan Fan, who died at the Methodist Hospital in Live Oak Town, Texas after an encounter with ice. Chofang Gay of China. Lozano Lozano Antonio Batres Vargas. I go on. Oscar Rascon Duarte of Mexico. Ismail Ayala Uribe Santos Venegas Reyes. I could just go on and on and on. They've Just killed person after person after person, including a Ukrainian. And so we know that this second revolution, second American Revolution, because We know Project 2025 included this idea of mass deportation. And what it's done is it's really sobered, I think, the mind of those of us who believe that the best way to fight back against these people was to allow those with the privilege who could confront police to take the lead. That is becoming clearly more dangerous because these people don't have any. Any respect for the lives of white women either. I mean, obviously they didn't because of the abortion rules and restrictions. They don't give a shit about white women's lives, whether they die or live. They just want them to obey and make them a sandwich and have babies. Here are two white women continuing to confront ICE on behalf of their black neighbors and brown.

[Stephen Miller]

If I continually see you following us, interfering with us, honking your horn, blocking.

[Joy Reid]

Our cars, you have a very high probability of making a really bad decision.

[Stephen Miller]

And being arrested today.

[Lev Parnas]

Okay?

[Joy Reid]

I'm not. I'm giving her a warning to not interfere with what we're doing. Took to not make a bad decision.

[Stephen Miller]

Today and ruin your life.

[Jesse Ventura]

Bad decision.

[Stephen Miller]

Thank you.

[J]

Funny coming from you.

[Joy Reid]

Okay.

[David Corn]

All righty.

[Stephen Miller]

Thank you.

[Joy Reid]

Have a good day.

[Wajahat Ali]

I hope you have a terrible day.

[Joy Reid]

Okay.

[J.D. Vance]

Thank you.

[Joy Reid]

I, Stan a queen said, I hope you have a terrible day. And you know, these people are in a suburban neighborhood harassing people, but still trying to pretend their respect for white women. But they don't respect anyone. Let's listen to Stephen Miller say that those men, if they just shot those women in the face, could do it and get away with it.

[Stephen Miller]

We need to reassure a couple points to all ICE officers. You have federal immunity in the conduct of your duties. And anybody who lays a hand on you or tries to stop you or tries to obstruct you is committing a felony. You have immunity to perform your duties. And no one, no city official, no.

[Joy Reid]

State official, no illegal alien, no leftist.

[Stephen Miller]

Agitator or domestic insurrectionist can prevent you. You, from fulfilling your legal obligations and duties.

[Joy Reid]

And the Department of Justice has made clear that if officials cross that line.

[Stephen Miller]

Into obstruction, into criminal conspiracy against the United States or against ICE officers, then they will face justice.

[Joy Reid]

So I'm not sure I would take legal advice from that weird guy Stephen Miller. I'm sure that also sounded better in the original German. But what he said was, of course, echoed by the resident asshole in the White House, J.D. vance. Here's him.

[J.D. Vance]

Precedent here is very simple. You have a federal law Enforcement official engaging in federal law enforcement action. That's a federal issue. That guy is protected by absolute immunity. He was doing his job. The idea that Tim Walsh and a bunch of radicals in Minneapolis are going to go after and make this guy's life miserable because he was doing the job that he was asked to do is preposterous. The unprecedented thing is the idea that a local official can actually prosecute a federal official with absolute immunity. I've never seen anything like that. It was would get tossed out by a judge. So what I'd like Minnesota to focus on is the real issue that they're encouraging people, Minneapolis officials are encouraging people to commit violence against ICE officials.

[Joy Reid]

No, they're not. They're saying that you have a right to resist ICE officials. The ICE officials can't bust into your home and violate your Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights. But we have some experts that are come on and talk about it. But before we do that, when you listen to J.D. vance, when you listen to Stephen Miller, if you can bear to, if you listen to any of these people talk, Tom Homan, Christy Nome, Pam Bondi, Donald Trump, J.D. all of them. It is no wonder that the NAACP, which has its, it has some experience dealing with racist state and federal authority. It's got some experience therein. It's no wonder that this is their tack that what are you hiding with the mass that looks like ICE or ISIS and a Klan robe? Not shocking to me at all. Joining me now to discuss is our power panel for this, this fierce Friday Wajahat Ali, the proprietor of the Left Hook, the worst capitalist site in America because he doesn't charge for it. Left Parnas of Lev remembers the guy with all the inside scoopola on all things. And Ellie Mastal, our friend from the nation whose latest piece I love this is entitled Abolish I Abolish ICE or gtfo, which means get the out, which we're going to be linking to in the show description. I'm going to go in reverse order. Start with you, Ellie, because I want to ask you, just as a legal matter is what JD Vance and Garg Gargamel, whatever his name is, Stephen Miller, the little gargoyle. Is what they said true that these ICE agents have absolute immunity and they cannot be prosecuted by state lawmakers?

[Ellie Mustal]

Yeah, no joy. Look, J.D. vance only went to Yale Law School. I went to Harvard Law School. So I'm going to forgive J.D. if he didn't learn this in school. But no, federal officers do not have absolute immunity to commit crimes. They do not have absolute immunity from state law.

[Joy Reid]

That's.

[Ellie Mustal]

That's just not true. That's never been true. A good place in the slate actually pointed out that the most recent example of this was in Ruby, was during the Ruby Ridge fiasco. If you're old enough to remember the Clinton years, Janet Reno, an FBI sniper killed an unarmed woman in Ruby Ridge, and that sniper was prosecuted. That sniper was charged by state officials in Ohio. The case went up to the 9th Circuit. The 9th Circuit said the charges could go forward. Now, eventually the charges were dropped because the Idaho prosecutor changed jobs. So we don't. So he wasn't necessarily held accountable, but he could be charged. In fact, was charged. And that's a recent precedent, but it's happened periodically through American history. The reason why it doesn't happen often, and let's not forget this aspect, the reason why it doesn't happen often is that usually under normal circumstances, when federal officials commit crimes, the federal government is willing to prosecute them for those crimes. The only reason we're in this somewhat novel situation now is because the federal government is unwilling to prosecute its own murderers. Right. Of course, if they did that, they'd have to start with, like Pete Hegseth and move on down. So I kind of. I guess, I guess, I guess I get why the Trump administration won't prosecute criminals. They are the criminals.

[Joy Reid]

Right. There you go.

[Ellie Mustal]

But, but, but, but, but there is no constitutional or statutory immunity for federal officials who commit crimes. They can still be punished under state law. And that's exactly what needs to happen to this ICE officer in Minneapolis.

[Joy Reid]

And before I go move on to the panel, I want to play. This is D6. Jason that. Because one of the things that JD Vance and Stephen Miller and Kristi Noem with that weird cowboy hat, she's always in weird costumes. It's very strange. She's a cosplayer, but I don't know what she's trying to be. But they, they keep on saying that this police officer was going to be hit by a car. And then they add that he was injured anyway, even though he wasn't hit. And then he was also traumatized from being dragged before. This is C6. Let's take a listen.

[Stephen Miller]

Don't take my word for it. Don't take their word for it. Watch the video from every single angle. I mean, the ICE agent walked away with a hip injury that he might as well have gotten from closing a refrigerator door with his hips. He was not injured. I've seen worse injuries from doing that. And so give me a break. No, he was not ran over. He walked out of there with a hop in his step. And so we just gotta get to the point where we're at least operating from, hey, this is like we're looking at it on the video screen. This is what we're seeing. Can we all see that it wasn't run over? And then, you know, yeah. JD fans, this concept of absolute immunity is pretty bizarre.

[Joy Reid]

The fact that he clearly wasn't injured, felt well enough to call that woman a bitch, and then walked away totally normal, didn't look injured, didn't limp or nothing. Doesn't that hurt his ability to stay free from prosecution?

[Ellie Mustal]

Yeah, but. Yo, yo, yo, baby girl, who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes? That's the Trump argument, right? Like they're, they're, they're lying to our faces and there's video evidence that they are lying and they're running the goddamn shaggy defense for this. It's, it's, the mayor said it was bizarre. I think it's craven. I think it's evil what they're trying to do. But again, there is video. Everybody can see what happened and what didn't happen. And so, yeah, in any kind of reasonable court of law, these lies get exposed. But of course, the Trump administration's entire plan is to keep it out of the court of law, to keep it within the administration, to keep it in the FBI so they can let the guy walk away scot free. And the only thing that I'll remind people about that is that there is no statute of limitation on murders.

[Joy Reid]

Come on.

[Ellie Mustal]

And so while because of the craziness that we live in and the evil times that we live in, I can't promise people that this murderer will be brought to justice right now, as he should be. But if people in Minnesota, if Democrats keep their nerve, eventually we'll get this guy because there is no statute of limitation on murder.

[Joy Reid]

I'm going to come to you watch. Because not only are they not going to prosecute him at the federal level, the FBI won't even cooperate with local Minneapolis police to do this investigation. They're essentially blacking out any attempt to even get basic information. There were no body cams, they're using phones and GoPros to tape what they're. What's happening? Tell me where you stand on this question, because I'm now a two issue voter, one of which is the next president has to take a stick of dynamite and destroy whatever Donald Trump builds over the east wing. And number Two, they must make Jack Smith the Attorney General. Like I just actually need them to tell me in advance that Jack Smith will be Attorney General and we can go on from there. Your thoughts on all of this madness?

[Wajahat Ali]

I'm going to quote Rage against the Machine, some of those that work forces are the same. That burden crosses the intersection of white supremacy and state sanctioned violence while wearing a badge. This is nothing new. If you're black, if you're Native American, if you're Muslim and have survived the war on terror, we were called terrorists and savages and beasts and invaders. And even in death our children are villainized. Trayvon Martin, super predator. Mike Brown, like Hulk Hogan, Tamir Rice and now white America seeing it because we told white America fascists come for everyone. Even Renee Nicole Goode, a 37 year old unarmed white mother who smiled, said, hey man, I'm not mad at you. And then this thug, this gestapo, took out his gun, shot her, called her an effing bee, and thought by releasing the video that that somehow would make him feel better. Folks, I have 12 kids over right now. I really do. I got all the neighborhood kids. You know, I don't swear. When I swear, I want to drop it because I want it to mean something. So I'm going to say this with my chest. Abolish ice. Prosecute ice. Fuck ice. Fuck ICE to the ends of the earth. We have been saying it for years and I need milquetoast centrists and Democrats who are not willing to go 10 toes down and make this part of their plank moving forward. Get the F out. You are complicit. You are weak. I do not need you. If you're not willing to fight for the rest of us, if you're willing to fund the dhs, which Chuck Schumer intends to do. If you're willing to Nazi. Abolish ice. If you're not willing to prosecute them, I recommend everyone read Ellie's article. If you're not willing to fight, get out. Because what you're telling the rest of us is you're perfectly fine supporting a rogue terrorist organization, Trump's Gestapo, that now will murder people in cold blood and then tell us to reject the evidence of our eyes and ears. Cover it up. What's happening right now, the FBI is straight up covering it up. That's why they're not sharing evidence with Minneapolis police. And then furthermore, say that Renee Nicole Goode, a white woman, was a quote, domestic terrorist. That's what Kristi Noem said. A deranged leftist. That's what JD Van said. And somehow because she used she her pronouns, according to Laura Loomer and because she's a lesbian, according to Jesse Waters, it's okay to kill him. I want to say this very bluntly. When it was brown people, America said eh. When it was Muslims, America said eh. Pro Palestinian activists. Meh. Black people literally being killed for sleeping in their house. Man, they had it coming. They should have paid attention. Now they're murdering white mothers in the suburbs. So I don't care if you drink rose with Karen, if you freaking golf with Chet, if you drive a Tesla, if you're one of the privileged browns and blacks who got their tax cuts, if they're doing to this to a white woman, what will they do to you? Sorry for my rant.

[Joy Reid]

No, listen, your rants are why we bring you on here, because we need you to do that like every week. Let me come to you, Lev, because I understand that you've got some insight, as you always do, about what the overall strategy here is. We know it's ethnic cleansing. That's very clear. They've even gotten one of your people, they killed a Ukrainian last year as well. What is the plan? And do they really think they can bully these cities and states into dropping their sanctuary policies?

[Lev Parnas]

Well, you know, first of all, very well said, Waj and Ellie, I agree with a lot of what you were saying. Absolutely. I mean, Donald Trump, I mean, this is a criminal organization and I was part of this organization. And that's why I could tell you from firsthand experience, we shouldn't be surprised. You know. Yes. What we're seeing in front of our eyes is something horrible. And like Wash said, you know, now that it's a white suburban woman that with three kids, you know, the world is more at outrage. But think about Donald Trump's history. I mean, think about it started with that perfect phone call. You know, he, everybody testified, we read the transcripts, but, you know, he made it seem perfect phone call. Then he went on to Georgia. We heard it with our own ears. We heard the tape. The tape was played. Everybody heard it. I won 11,700 votes somehow again, you know, because the media let him slide. His Republicans with no backbone, you know, start supporting him and they use a social media push it. And then the biggest one of all, January 6th, I mean, we, the, the club. Just think about five days ago, literally a day pro, I mean, a couple of days ago on January 6th, five year anniversary, they put out on the White House website to literally change the history. The Epstein files. It's about changing the history, because it's all about trying to play this game. Don't believe your eyes. And now we're seeing it play out. I mean, completely. Where. I mean, you look at this video. The guy was not hit. Not only was he not hit, this murderous piece of. Excuse me for my language, but I try not to curse. But also, I'm extremely pissed off he was taping the whole thing. See, if you take a look at he. And this is what I want you to think how sick this individual was. If he was in fear for his life, how come he didn't drop the camera? He doesn't even drop the phone. He reaches. Just think about it, folks. He's holding the phone, the camera in one hand. He's reaching for his gun. He's shooting. He's still. While he's shooting, he keeps the. The camera. And then after he's done shooting, he holsters his gun and he walks over and. And says, you know, calls her. You know, I'm not even going to repeat what he called. I mean, just think about what kind of individual and the. The purpose. And I want to be very clear. You know, I don't. What I'm going to tell you right now is not to scare anybody, but it's to give you the truth for you to understand. It's not to stop you from going out and letting your voices be heard. Me and Wash talk about this all the time. On the contrary, we need to make sure, because that's the only way we're going to take our democracy back, by going out, speaking up, letting our voices heard and uniting with the same message and making sure, like we said, ice get out of our neighborhoods and let's move on. But this is the strategy they're moving. This is why everybody has to be careful, because literally, and I'm going to quote one of my sources inside, saying that they're waiting for a George Floyd riot. Literally. They're waiting for that moment, that spark. They're pushing it. That's why you see them doubling down, tripling down. That's where you see them coming out. Crazy. They're. They understand that people could take only so much. They're waiting for that one moment to strike for all of a sudden. And. And not only that, but they're putting instigators me and Wash spoke about earlier, and I called them up and I told. They're in. They're implanting instigators into Portland, into Minnesota, into these places to start it up, because they're literally sitting at the White House licking their chops and watching this play out on TV like a reality show, hoping that this close so they could show. I mean, they're. I'm hearing quotes like they'll see the. To show the left, the military of the United States military, their own people. Just think about. They're planning on using on Americans. So that's what this is all being done. Because at the end of the day, it's about the elections, folks, because he knows he's underwater. He knows he can't win. They're not stupid. They understand. They see everything going on. And he's trying to do everything possible to put the invoke that insurrection act to be able to do it. And this is where they're trying to make their stand. That's why you see now Christina come out there. That's why you see all of them double, triple down on it. Because like Ellie said, there's no prosecution, there's no investigation. This is a guy, a thug that just got in a car, went like this. Let's go. You know, everybody went and went. And again, this is. And I keep saying it. Say her name. Renee Nicole. Good. Say her name. Because she is a true hero. Came out there trying to protect. She's an American citizen. They ice wasn't coming after her. She came out there to protect their community, her citizens in her community, to warn them, and she did nothing wrong. Her last words were, I forgot. I have no idea. I'm not mad at you.

[Joy Reid]

Just think about it.

[Lev Parnas]

I'm not mad you to the guy that put three bullets in her head.

[Ellie Mustal]

I agree. But I'll also point out that they're waiting for. They're waiting to do this to black people. I mean, there have already been reports that they were disappointed at no Kings Day because so many white folks showed up. Like they. They're willing to murder white people. They've shown that now. But the massacre that Lev is talking about, and he's absolutely right, they want. They want that, but they want to crack black skulls. They're kind of waiting for their opportunity because they think that that will play better in their circles if against African Americans. They're getting a little bit tripped up by the fact that it's so many white folks who are out in the streets as well, showing resistance and whatever. Again, they'll murder white folks. But the massacre that they're looking for, they're kind of waiting for black people to show up, and that hasn't happened for them yet. So I bring that up to ech. What Lev is saying. It's important to protest. It's important to go out there. It's important to let your voices be heard.

[David Corn]

You.

[Ellie Mustal]

They want to kill you, understand that they're trying to look for an excuse to murder you. And be mindful of that. Be as careful as you can while dealing with an authoritarian, thuggish, fascist regime. It's. It's just the reality of our times.

[Wajahat Ali]

Joy, may I add something, if you don't mind? Oh, go ahead.

[Joy Reid]

Please, please. No, no. I was gonna say anything first that. I just want to have you jump in. Don't forget what you were going to say because what you guys are saying, I want people to really take it in in the chat. I know the chat is cooking. This is the reason Viola Liuzzo went south, is the idea was that as a white woman, she could put black people in her car and take them around. And she had a certain privilege that she could move around as a white person. Reverend James Reed thought the same thing. Mickey Schwerner used to train other white people to come down south, you know, and James Cheney was his handler who was basically aiding him and helping him and walking him through the community. But the idea was that a white person could go into these spaces because the targets are black people and in this case brown people. Non white immigrants are the target. But to Ellie's point, their ultimate prize is black people marching Black Lives Matter style. That's it.

[Lev Parnas]

That's the word. Black lives matter. You're 100 right. I'm sorry, but that's what they want. Exactly. Instead they want. It's like the antifa. Black Lives Matter. They. They're Trump and I'm sorry to interrupt you, Joy, you just said on the dot. Because part of that whole mega is to uncover blm, uncover antifa, blame them. You know, find the organizers, go after them. And that's what they're trying. This is what they. They want Bl. That's why they're saying they won another George Floyd riot moment. They want BLM to show up. They want to come out and turn. So you're like. Like Ellie said 100. I apologize.

[Joy Reid]

They want that race war vibe. And the only thing they would love more than that is to get your people, the Muslims watch your turn.

[Wajahat Ali]

Well, no, no, folks. A week ago, Guardian did an article where ICE has spent millions of dollars to do. I'm not making this up. They're open about it. Wartime recruitment strategy. Ice, the government has spent millions of dollars to recruit specifically from right wing Sites, fringe sites. They want soldiers who will protect, wait for it. America's culture and heritage. These are white nationalist tropes. White nationalist triggers. The Department of Homeland Security three times has already posted Remigrate. What is remigrate? It's a term used in neo Nazi and white supremacist circles for ethnic cleansing, specifically to get rid of all the black and brown people from America and Europe. Today Donald Trump threatened to denaturalize citizens who deserve it. They're already trying to get rid of birthright citizenship. I'm trying to connect the dots for folks. They're looking for their rack stack fire. In the summer, the Wall Street Journal reported that Stephen Miller unleashed masked armed ICE agents deliberately in LA at Home Depot in 711 because he wanted a conflict. He wanted a crisis. Thankfully, the local communities responded so peacefully that even the LAPD said, thank you local community members. They couldn't get their rags back. Fire. They created this bullshit rags like fire about big balls or blue balls. That 19 year old, right, who allegedly was carjacked by like all these black and brown people. That was a justification to send the National Guard in dc. Then before any evidence. Just follow the dots folks, real quick. Joy. Before any evidence, Charlie Kirk was murdered. No bot. No one was found because Kash Patel was trying to find a jacket. I had to be petty. Donald Trump went out and blamed radical left wing terrorism. Even after it was Tyler Robinson, they still blamed the left. Then they kept trying to find the ragstack fire. The Afghan national killed the National Guard members. They found out, oh shit, this guy was trained by the CIA and dammit, we're the ones who made him a citizen. Then they moved on to Somalis, right? Then they moved on to Venezuela. And as that was happening, folks, in the summer they were killing Venezuelan fishermen. And Donald Trump said, I have the authority vested in me to declare them terrorists without evidence and kill them. And Pam Bondi, the Attorney General said, we're going to do to Americans what we did to Venezuelans. To which I said, I think even on your show, murder us. And then it's September. National Security Presidential Memo seven that says that the entire government will be unleashed to locate radical left wing terrorism. And the indicators of radical left wing terrorism are any speech that they deem to be anti American, anti Christian and extreme at the same time. They designated ANTIFA as a terrorist group. How does that connect to Renee Goode? This is a war on terror at home against Americans. Because after they murdered her, what did Kristi Noem say? She took the playbook From national security presidential memo 7. She is a domestic terrorist who weaponized her car and she was trained. They are declaring war on Americans, and to Ellie's point and Lev's point, they will murder you. And then one thing I'll also say to fuel our nightmare. Joy, who thinks Donald Trump is leaving, and if you think he's leaving, why? They're playing for all the marbles, Joy, he's not leaving. When people like me and Ellie said this In 2019, people thought we were crazy. Trust the evidence of your eyes and your ears. And I'm sorry for my second rant.

[Joy Reid]

No, they're making too much money. They're not leaving. Let me read a little bit of Ellie's piece, which you all should definitely read, you know, on your own. It says every authoritarian regime throughout history has employed a roving band of armed thugs who operate outside the law to enforce a strong man's will. Caesar had his Praetorian Guard. Francois Duvalier had his Tanton Acute. Hitler had his Gestapo. Donald Trump has ice. ICE is functionally a paramilitary organization armed and empowered to harass citizens, brutalize opposition, and murder people who get in their way. Like any paramilitary apparatus, its chief aim is to strike fear in the population. It does this not only through feats of violence, false imprisonment, and kidnapping, but also by repeatedly showing us it can't be held accountable for its actions. ICE agents can seemingly do anything they want, and no one is allowed to stop them. They know it, and they want us to know it. Given that, Ellie, how does one rid our. How do we get rid of it? Because Democrats, as we know, are not the strongest people in the world, and they're not the toughest people in the world. And given the power of the Congress, let's say they somehow managed to win a rigged election and get back the House and Senate. I don't see them voting to abolish ice. They're all going to fall back on there when we've got, you know, the pro law enforcement people in our base, yada, yada, yada, centrists. How do we get rid of ice given that the Democrats are weak?

[Ellie Mustal]

The Democrats are cowardly and feckless, and you're absolutely right that their instinct is not to abolish ITEs. And as I was kind of saying in my piece, that's because terrorist paramilitary organizations have their uses to all sorts of leaders, even leaders on the left. The only way the Democrats will abolish ICE is if the people who support them demand that they do. And this is the crucial Time to do that demanding, because this is the primary seat reason. You know, in, in the mainstream media, in the Bari Weiss led media, you'll never, they'll never ask this question. But any Democrat asking for your vote, the first thing they should have to answer is whether or not they're gonna abolish ice. And the Democrats who say no, the Democrats who they don't get your vote in the primary. It is as simple as that. Do not vote for a Democrat who won't take a stand right now and say that they're going to abolish ice. And there are a lot of them out there who won't take that stand. Don't vote for them. Every single person is running in some kind of primary where you got some kind of candidate who was going to be willing to say that if for no other reason than they would like to win too. Do not vote for the, do not vote for the cowards. It's as simple as that. But now is the time to do that in the primary season before August. Now is the time to ask those questions. Because by the time you get to November then you are kind of locked into a binary choice. Then you are locked in to a lesser two evils. Then you've got the Democrat who's not going to abolish ICE and the Republican who's going to empower ice. Don't let the choice come down to the to those two evils. Demand action now during the primary process when your voice can matter. And the last thing I'll say about that, it only takes a couple. One thing you have to understand about politicians is not only that they're cowards, but that they're cowards who always have their finger in the wind and are always looking at who else got got. All you gotta do is take out one or two of these feckless Democrats on the ICE issue and the rest of them will fall in line, the rest of them will cower in line. Just remember what happened to Eric Cantor. Remember Eric Cantor, the Republican leadership guy who was primaried by the Tea Party and got got right lost the primary to the Tea Party. Now the Democrats won his seat by the way, because the Republicans ended up electing like crazy person. But every other Republican understood when cancer got got that the Tea Party was real and they had to play ball, that that's the same thing that can happen for the Democratic Party. All you got to do is take out one or two of these guys during the primary process and the rest of them will be like, oh damn, we we better oppose us now if we want our jobs. That's how cowardly they are. But that's how much power we have right now if we use it.

[Joy Reid]

And I will remind you that one of the other things that happened after the Eric Cantor thing is that people like Marco Rubio, who were always Bush neocon, suddenly were like, I'm in the Tea Party. Let me ask you. I'm going to ask Lev's Waj's cat a question shortly, but ready because that cat is adorable. We're very pro pet on the show. Lev, how concerned. Steve Bannon did say not that long ago that if we don't win these, if we don't win the next election. I think he was talking about the 2024 election. Some of us are going to jail. Me included. How concerned are they internally that what Ellie is saying, what Waj is saying, what you're saying, what I'm saying really might happen, that there may someday be an attorney general with balls, unlike Merrick Garland, who would go back and say, oh, y' all getting prosecuted. Homan, you getting prosecuted also for taking that bribe. We're gonna prosecute Pam Bondi's ass for perjuring herself before the United States Senate. We gonna prosecute little, little FBI guy for just being a weirdo. Just prosecute him just on general principle alone because he's weird. We're gonna prosecute. We're gonna prosecute what's for war crimes. Like, how concerned are they that Kristi Noem might get got that these guys actually might be prosecuted by a future Democratic ag.

[Lev Parnas]

Well, you know, it's, it's great question. And, and let me break it down like this. So, you know, so you have a group out there that is concerned and you're seeing the, the movements of them moving out. Like you saw, we speak about Dan Bongino, which I told you about. You saw he's out of there now know he's somebody we're going to talk about later. Go after you saw Susie Wiles come out with that Vanity Fair piece, you know, that was also, you know, we talked about. But then you have the, the ones that are not even thinking, you know, and that's. I, I, I, I, I look at them as like we were, you know, like when I was with him, where Rudy was, we were hardcore in. And that called. And those are the Christina, those are the Cash Patel, those are the Pete Hegsec, the Pam Bondies. They're going to go down with the ship. So they're not even thinking about What a new attorney general. What they're thinking is how to stay in power forever, how to destroy the Constitution and this and rip this country apart to the point where there is no election, fair elections, that there is no way for there to be a Democratic leadership, you know, because that is what the game plan is all about. And just like Ellie said, I agree with them 100 that right now the, the most important thing that we have is our voices. And we, and we are in control as the people. Because they're extremely scared. If you saw Donald Trump at his retreat, at his retreat, and I've been to plenty of those retreats, that was not a confident Donald Trump he was talking about. Yo, I'm about to get impeached if you guys don't step it up over here. Feeling the pressure. And you saw then right afterwards, Stephen Miller coming out making those accusations that ICE has, has total immunity. I mean, these, they are definitely scared. And that's why, you know, I'm saying we gotta be careful that we don't give them an excuse to, you know, they're already looking for the insurrection. But I do want to say one thing and I want to put, bring our attention back to. Because everybody has that question. And you said that question, Joy, how do we stop this? Knowing these people the way as good as I know them, I do not believe that we, they will allow us to have a fair elections as in 2024. I'm going to tell you the way it is. I'm not saying it to scare anybody. I'm not saying. I've been saying it for 10 months since I came to this platform. We do have a weapon and we do have something. And me and Waj and you guys always speak about this and I want to bring it up and it's called the Epstein files. This is the one thing that this whole country can agree upon, including mega, including his own base that is ripped apart. Unfortunately, like it or not, with the horrors that we're seeing play out in front of our eyes in Venezuela and Ukraine and the Middle east and Palestine and even here back at home with ICE ripping us apart, these are still partisan issues. You still can't get the Republicans and that is why we're ripped apart. But there's one issue where the Republicans are on have agreed. There's one issue that MEGA has agreed. And that is why I think the most important thing, that's why, you know, I spoke to Congressman Raskin Rokhan. I'm going Washington D.C. next week to make a push for it. But Right now, you know, they're doing everything possible to distract from these Epstein files. These Epstein files are, are the death to Donald Trump and a whole group of a very powerful influential man. And it's bigger than just an American cover up. This is a world cover up. And that's why a lot of these players, and that's why I say that as bad as a lot of these things are not, and I try not to demeanor any of these situations because they're all horrible. But the only way we could stop, stop Donald Trump, stop mega in their tracks and take it from a person that helped build it is right now to make sure that take the Epstein files, unite this Congress and attack. Attack. I want to see subpoenas flying. I want to see impeachment on Pam Bondi.

[Joy Reid]

When we.

[Lev Parnas]

You see, when you see that, you will stop seeing ICE informant, you will start seeing because they will go on the defense like you've never seen. They'll start scrambling because these people have no loyalty to, to each other. This is not like one some beautiful party where they love each other, they hate each other. The first, second Homegram and Gnome, I speak to my sources, they're at each other's throat. The second this thing goes at it, they will be at first when they're gonna be running like rats from a ship. So right now we need accountability. We need to take. You know, it's like in a war, you have to use the tool that you have. Even though you wanna, you wanna go bombing, but you might have to, you know, send the submarine. Well, this is, we gotta, we have our tool tool right now. And just think about before we went to New Year's, before New Year's, every single congress person was talking about how they're in default with the FC files that they, that we're going to do. All of these filings, we're five days in the week has ended. Have you heard one thing? No. So I just want to bring everybody back and say as horrible as things are, we need action. And action is what we have. And the biggest thing against these people. And we say it watch as it says, you know, Achilles these cankles. I say it's a script tonight. But you know, the Epstein files is what will get us our democracy back, folks. I could promise you that.

[Joy Reid]

And let me tell you something, I think you need that. Yes, absolutely. And you know, we've been on this Epstein files on the show a lot. That's how we got to hang out with you live so often. But I will say there's one other person, one other thing that we need wise. I'm gonna come to you on this, on this messaging. We must not let, let this murder of this woman go. The right took poor Lake and Riley.

[Wajahat Ali]

That's right.

[Joy Reid]

And turned her into a mission critical. Turned her into a meme that could not stop. They tried to do the same with Charlie Kirk, but his own evil ass words made it really hard to martyr him for long. They, they played that game for a hot minute, but just the crazy awful things he said made it kind of challenging. And his, his widow's super weird. But this is the Lake and Riley moment. This woman is our Viola Liuzo. This is our Reverend James Reed. This is a white woman who was murdered in broad daylight and then called a. By the person that this government, this regime has said is supposed to be protecting white women from brown people. And if the le, if the Democratic side does not pick this up and never let it go and never let that family go, I don't know what to do with them.

[Wajahat Ali]

I, I hate to say this, folks, but this crowd will probably appreciate it. White lives matter more in America than blacker lives and brown lives. White rage is paid attention to. White grievance is heard. White blood has a bigger price to it. This is a white woman. This is a mother of three kids. This is an unarmed suburban woman who was married to a veteran. And they shot her and killed her in cold blood and called her an effing B. And in death they're dragging her name and calling her domestic terrorist. If this doesn't wake up white America, I don't know what will. And we saw a Washington Post reporter of a former Washington Post reporter like Philip Bloom, I think that's his name on TV on Ms. Now, the artist formerly known as MSNBC cry. And he said, this could have been my wife. So you need to and not use this, but rally around this. Sometimes all it takes is a spark. George Floyd was murdered less than a mile from Renee Nicole Good. And my absolute apathetic and cynical friend said this country won't move, won't care. I said, there's something about seeing a grown man being choked to death. There's something that can just, if you will, forces you to see the sins that were in front of your eyes, but you refuse to acknowledge and I think the murder, the deliberate murder, the COVID up and the demonization of this white suburban mom with the stuffed toys in the back, with the blood in the front. This is the moment. And this is the moment for white America. I'm sorry, Let me be blunt. Black people have been marching. Indigenous people have been marching. This is the war on terror that has come at home. I marched as a college student during the war on terror and said, y' all are creating ICE in the Patriot act and creating a loaded gun that a reckless organization will then turn from the Muslims and the Iraqis and the Afghans and turn on the American people. ICE was created after the war on terror. Patriot act was created after the war on terror. And Joy, now ICE is being used by the state to murder US Citizens. This is it. This is the moment. You say her name.

[David Corn]

Renee.

[Wajahat Ali]

Nicole.

[Joy Reid]

Good.

[Wajahat Ali]

Her photo. Everywhere. You talk about how she was a Christian, how she was a mother. You play that tape. You play that Iceman saying that she's an effing B. And then I'll end on this because I want to go back to what Ellie said. We have a generational moment. We only have six months, folks.

[Joy Reid]

That's right.

[Wajahat Ali]

Primary season is right now. I talked to Ezra Levin of Indivisible, who helped co manage, you know, the no Kings rally. Everything he said, he agreed with us. He said, abolish ice. Democrats are feckless. Democrats need to run. Abolishing ice. Power to the people. Put pressure on them. And he said two things that are happening right now, right now, primary season, folks. If these Democrats still embrace a fascist abroad, still embrace a genocide, still suck at the teat of the broligarchy, are unwilling to tax the rich, and are saying, no, no, no, we're fine with ICE as they murder citizens. Get the F out. You primary them right now. I'm done with vote blue no matter who. I saw how you all did Mamdani dirty. I'm done with it. We deserve more. We deserve fighters. We deserve accountability. Ellie and myself and you are old enough. Love's old enough. I'm done with crumbs. Okay? If you're not a fighter, if you're not willing to hold these people accountable, if you're not willing to say, abolish ice, you're out. Primary season is right now, Joy. And if you think I'm wrong about this, tell me. If I'm wrong, tell me where I'm wrong.

[Joy Reid]

Absolutely right. We say it on this show a lot, and I tell my readers all the time, your power is in the primary. By the time, as Ellie said, you get to the general, you're stuck with what's on the ballot. And then you've got to do a lesser of two evils thing. The primary is how the Tea Party movement took over the Republican Party and the Tea Party movement is what morphed into maga. They took that party not by force, but by primaries. And if you want a better Democratic party that can actually fight these fascists, you've got to fight them in primaries. Get rid of the milquetoast, get all of those moderates out and put in people who are willing to fight. I'm going to give you the last word on this, Ellie, because we know we not only need a plan, if, Jason, if you could, whenever you get a chance, just pull up a seven again because I definitely want to show that again. Ellie, last word to you.

[Ellie Mustal]

Yeah, so look, I'm old enough to remember when white people let a bunch of white children die in Newtown, Connecticut and did nothing. I don't have Waj's faith in the white ability to self regard, to see themselves for what they are and to act appropriately. I don't have that faith anymore. That's been shaken too many times. What I do have, have some hope for, where I, where I do agree with Wash, is that we are witnessing authoritarian overreach. We are witnessing a administration that is drunk on power and now drunk on murder. And the only thing that I can kind of hold on to, to hope for is that again, when you look at history, when authoritarians fail, it is in moments like these. It is in moments when they're winning. It's in moments when they think they cannot be stopped. It is in those moments that the authoritarians overreach, overstretch themselves. This is when they invade Russia, right? This is when they start a land war in Asia and it doesn't work out for them. And so I hope that this is a moment where we are all seeing these people drunk with their own power, drunk on the blood of our citizens, and they grasp and their reach exceeds their grasp. That is what I hope for.

[Joy Reid]

And listen, I don't necessarily trust all the white people, but I do trust my spicy whites. My spicy whites trust them because they are already with us, right? And I think sometimes what Democrats do wrong is they reach for the white folks they don't have instead of properly utilizing the 40% that they do. You never forget that. Going all the way back to when I was in Junior High School, 4 out of 10 white folks vote with us, stick with us, enroll with us, and rock with us. Those are my spicy whites. And so I'm really not interested in trying to recruit more Liz Cheney's. I think the mistake Democrats make is they think they can go all the way over to, you know, Dick Cheney's out here defending the war, the self declared White House war on Venezuela because that goes with his ideology. Even though he was just saying Trump was dangerous and Trump wanted to put him in prison. So no, I don't trust them. Conservatives have always been our enemy. Conservatism, whether it was labeled Democratic Party, labeled Republican Party, labeled Dixiecrat party, Byron.

[Ellie Mustal]

Donald's is doing it or, or Stephen.

[Joy Reid]

Miller or Stephen A. Smith, you know, because they got a couple of.

[Lev Parnas]

Right. Doesn't matter.

[Joy Reid]

Exactly. You know, they can put them on a little donkey track and let them eat out of a bucket and walk around the track with him. So you got a few like him that roll with them too. I don't trust those people. I don't want to recruit them. I don't want to bring them over. I don't want to convince them. I don't do nothing. What I want is to have my very small list. I'm. Are you stark about this? I'm sorry, I'm a cusser. I apologize, but my mom will be very mad at me. But I cuss a lot because these people make me cuss. I'm a cussing Christian. I need them all prosecuted. Send me if it's Jack Smith, he's willing to do it. Give me Jack Smith. Give me whoever is ruthless and been cruel enough as Attorney general that will put them all behind bars. Pam Bondi needs to get prosecuted. Tom Holman needs to get prosecuted. Stephen Miller needs to get prosecuted. Kristi Gnome weirdo ass needs to get prosecuted. And she doesn't know anything about the law and shouldn't be Homeland Security Secretary RFK Jr. Let's see how many kid people he kills with measles. Throw him in that bucket as well. Definitely. Pete Heth, war crimes. That brother. That was the admiral. Got out for a reason. Prosecute. And Donald Trump, all of them. And I know they say he can't prosecute Donald Trump because he hasn't. I don't care. Give it a shot. My point is we need Democrats to actually act like this is a war. When someone declares war on you, you are at war. Last question I have for all of y'. All. The panel is saying if we decided we wanted to take this on the road, can I convince any of y' all to come? If we had to do this live, would you guys be down to do it live? The chat is demanding to know if this panel will go on the road or at least do some lives.

[Lev Parnas]

What do y' all let's go kick some ass. I'm ready to kick some ass. I'm ready. I got my tea. I'm ready.

[Wajahat Ali]

I'll even bring the cat. I'll even bring Billoo. And I'm a teetotaler, so I'm such a terrible capitalist. I'm also a cheap date. Just buy me a Coke.

[Joy Reid]

Oh, it's perfect. I'm gonna drink. I'm gonna take my zebiotics. I'm gonna have Waj's share. And that's what's gonna happen. We're just gonna pass all why you shared to me, and it's just gonna be for me and me and. And I think Lev will drink it with me. Me and Lev are gonna share because I'm not sure what Ellie's drinking status is right now. Coca Cola. It's all good. I appreciate you guys so much. This is such a great panel. So much fun. Could not have been better. Wajahat Ali. Tell everybody where they can find you and support you.

[Wajahat Ali]

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[Joy Reid]

I love that. I love. No, the Left Hook is so. It's so valuable, y'.

[Lev Parnas]

All.

[Joy Reid]

I promise you. It's one of my favorite follows. One of my other favorite follows, of course, is Lev Remembers. Lev Parnas is amazing. Thank you. Substack Left. Tell everybody where they can get it.

[Lev Parnas]

Love Remembers Substack. That's our home. That's where we, you know, and just want to say, you know, enough is enough, folks. Let's take our democracy back. That's all I want to say. Enough is enough. Let's, let's, let's do it. You know, thank you for having me.

[Joy Reid]

We'll take a convert when they're a self convert. What we love about Lev is that Left converted himself. Nobody had to go over there and convince him to go and come over and vote with us that he was not doing.

[Lev Parnas]

I just, I had to get out of the cult. This is the real more of the love. You know, when I was in that cult, you know, I grew up in Brooklyn And Coney Island. I grew up as an immigrant. I grew up in a totally different world. But you know what? Living in New York, looking up to some of these people, I got blinded by the power, by the money and that. And that was my drug of choice, that I got blinded and I paid a heavy price for it. And now I'm blessed. And I thank God that I'm out there and I'm able to be on the right side of history. And all I could tell you is I'm ready to kick some ass. And let's do it. Let's, let's prisoners, you know, let's get our country back.

[Joy Reid]

All right, y', all, we're gonna have to send Lev a spicy white sweatshirt. We're gonna have. We got this. We got a special spicy white one. We're gonna send it to you. Last word to you. Where can they find you? Ellie Mustard, we know you're at the Nation. If they do a nation cruise, is it kind of like the old cruise they used to do on Tom Joyner? Is it like a cruise like that or what kind of cruise we talking about?

[Ellie Mustal]

Oh, hell yeah. If you come on the nation cruise, you can get me 24, 7. We can hang out, have drinks together, sit on the, you know, sit on the deck, swim in the ocean and talk politics.

[Joy Reid]

Yeah.

[Ellie Mustal]

So I'm atthenation.com. i also write books.

[Joy Reid]

Yay.

[Ellie Mustal]

Buy some books. Yay.

[Joy Reid]

Buy some books. Yay. Thank you very much, Ellie Mustalli. Love you guys. Happy weekend. Enjoy.

[Lev Parnas]

Happy weekend. Take care.

[Joy Reid]

Bye. All right, guys. I think we are so ready for a moment of joy. This moment of joy is actually really, really fun. We've got two quick ones. I know we're a little bit over, but we're going to play two quick pieces for you. The first one is Jesse the body Ventura, who is always been better than Hulk Hogan. I mean, clearly, but he had some words for Donald Trump.

[Jesse Ventura]

Here they are, the draft dodging coward who when it was his time to serve his country, he did what all rich white boys did. I wasn't a rich white boy. I grew up in south Minneapolis. Most of me and all my friends are Vietnam veterans. We had to go, but the rich white boys never had to go, did they? And he didn't have to go, did he? And yet he's going to tell me what courage is. I'll give you a quote. We're a third world country now. I'm an expert. I've been to them. I spent so long, 17 months in Southeast Asia While the draft dodger was playing golf. And freedom is not arresting people without warrants. We have a system here. It's called a constitution. And we have a party, the Republicans, who don't seem to want to abide by the Constitution. January 6th is a prime example of that. And now they're all free and they're in charge.

[Joy Reid]

Jesse Ventura, please call us. I really want to have you on the show. Big fan, back from WWE days. Really would love to interview that man, former governor of Minnesota. Now, our moment of joy and we needed this. I really thank you guys. Yeah, I know we're a little long, but you guys got to watch this. It's so cool. I saw it on social media, brought it over. This guy named David Heavens, he's a home care attendant and his current client is a 94 year old man who when he was young, just as we were talking about the Viola Liuzzos of the world, he put and the, you know, the Mickey Schwerners of the world, he participated in the civil rights movement and now he's being cared for by this young brother named David Heavens. Take a look. It. First of all, he got him eat him like Uncle Ray Ray. He feeding him all the food from Uncle Ray Ray shop. Oh, that was so much fun. We love seeing people coming together, helping others. That is the spice of life. That is what actually makes the world a wonderful place. Thank you to Melissa Bynes Books MBA for the $10 in the till. Thanks to Kim HR Guru. Appreciate the 10 bucks money. Mona Wilson, thanks for the $99 SoCA girl. New reader. We appreciate that. New member Rat forward. Thank you very much. Juan. Juanzella wants to know about my hoodie. I'm going to end with this and it may not be a moment of joy, but it's, it's my credo. This is actually in the shop. TRUMP ICE. Free Palestine. Free D.C. liberate Puerto Rico. Libertad Puerto Rico. Free Congo. Yes. Free Ukraine, Free Sudan. End poverty, Stop the wars, stop misogyny and racism and we are going to take care of our immigrants. We're going to say we love our immigrants. We love our trans, our buys. We love our LGBTQs, all the Q's, all the things and that's it. It's we love everybody except the fascists. We hate them. We don't like them. Thanks for watching. We appreciate all of you. We'll see you guys on Monday. Be sure to remember that write down in your notes that next next week, Friday we're going to be doing our super chat for all our brand new and our original readers. And we're going to talk about to these folks about taking the show on the road. Thank you very much. Adam, our wolf for the 4.99. Thank you. To Fly my video. Was there a poll? I don't know if there was a poll, but anyway, I couldn't, I couldn't see it. Sorry if I missed the poll, but appreciate you guys. See you guys on the next Joy Read show and goodbye. Happy weekend. Enjoy. Take care of somebody. Okay. It.