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Joy Reid
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Congressman Al Green
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Joy Reid
Well, hello, everyone. Happy Monday and welcome to the Joy Reid Show. Big up to everybody. Hope you guys had a fabulous, what do they call it, 16th day after Juneteenth weekend. I call it Essence Fest weekend. That's what we call July 4th weekend around where I'm from. But I hope you guys had a wonderful weekend, no matter what you were doing, what you were celebrating or, you know, what you had going on. We had a great weekend. We're going to talk a little bit about some of what those of us who are on this end of the screen we're up to, but want to pick up everybody that is on YouTube paying attention. Those of you who are on Substack. Hello, Substack fans, Hello. If you are on Facebook or LinkedIn, hello, SFL6. I see you there, wherever you're listening. If you're on an audio podcast platform, we appreciate each and every one of you. Big shout out to the Twitchies. Huge twitchy community growing. We are growing so fast on Twitch. So we love our little twitchy poos and also our LinkedIn friends. Hello to you all as well. You guys are the, like, why upscale listeners, because you're on LinkedIn. So I appreciate each and every one of y'.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
All.
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Joy Reid
And the lemon readers are here. Hello, Lemon nation. We appreciate the lemon readers. You guys are always here. We appreciate you each and every time I see you. D. Alexa Lemon reader. We see each and every one of you guys. We got the little hellos going. I love it. Love it. What is that? Dyslexic fingers. Hello, Dyslexic fingers giving us the wave. We appreciate the wave. All right, let's jump into it because of course, over the weekend. Well, before we get into it, you know what? Before we even get into it, because I know some of the stuff that we're going to talk about tonight might make you want to drink. So the Joy Reid show is brought to you tonight by our friends at Zbiotics Celebrations. Don't start with the clinking of glasses. They start with Zebiotics Pre alcohol, a probiotic you take before your first drink so you can enjoy the night and wake up ready? Zebiotics pre alcohol. The science behind your next great morning. Now listen, I'm just back from Harlem and also New Orleans. And look, we know we all like to party. Even if we are getting into auntie age, we like to do our thing and we still don't have to work the next day. It is not a thing where we're like in our little young, cute 20s. We can just go out, do whatever we want, have fun, have a wonderful time, and wake up the next morning, go to work like I used to when I was a club kid. Not a club kid anymore. Grown now. And so Zbiotics has become really an important part of my routine. And that means the first drink I have if I'm going to be going out and having a great time, is before I even have my security. I have my zebiotics. And this is something that you have to make a habit. There are small little vials. I like to pop it right into my bag, take it with me no matter where I'm going, because you never know when I might want to have a little cocktail. And I also have to work a lot. I work like seven days a week. So Zbiotics pre alcohol before alcohol allows me to enjoy the evening and feel perfectly ready for whatever tomorrow brings. And so we all know what Zbiotics is. I think by now it is the world's first genetically engineered probiotic. Oh, look, it just appeared right before my eyes. Magic. Thank you, Jason. And it was invented by PhD scientists to tackle rough mornings after drinking. So here's how it works. You just drink this one little bottle, you can down it, and it has no taste, which is great. It does not have any kind of medicinal or any kind of taste. You can make it your first drink of the night. And what it does is it goes in and it works against that little toxic byproduct in your gut, because it's that toxic byproduct with the buildup of that and not dehydration like your mom and your aunties told you. That actually is responsible for the rough days after drinking. But pre alcohol produces this enzyme that breaks that byproduct down. So if you just remember to make pre alcohol your first drink of the night, drink responsibly, you'll feel your best by the following day, because that's important. And it's been important to me. I am a Zbiotics fan, and trust me, this industry will make you drink. And so I make sure that I do that. I put a little bit in and I keep it moving. And so the friends love it. I've been passing it around to friends and family, making sure that people are always ready to go. But the problem with that is in, you know, you have to get more because people use it all up one box and people are giving it out. But I love it. So if you guys would like to make sure that you are ready for all the barbecues, fireworks, late weekends, late nights, all the things that you're going to be doing this summer, keep the good times rolling into the next day by drinking pre alcohol before you go out and wake up ready for whatever the following day brings. Remember to head to zbiotics.com joy use the code joy at checkout to get yourself 15% off because we do absolutely love that. Thank you Zebiotics for sponsoring this show. Zebiotics.com joy use the code joy at checkout for 15% off. Okay, so now let's get into our show in chief. So one of the things I did because again, I did attend ESSENCE Fest, so big ups to the Global Black Economic Forum. We did a, a version, an on stage version and also a podcast version of the Joy Reid show, which we will be airing as a special coming up very soon. If you saw it streaming live, you've already seen it, but we're going to cut it together, make a special out of it. That'll be very soon. So I did that and then headed back to Harlem to prepare to be here for you guys today so we could be in the station in Chief in the sort of setting in chief. But then yesterday I spent much of the afternoon in Washington D.C. in our nation's capital because as I told you all last week, I wanted to see for myself this freedom250 and she went
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
without me because I told her damn sure ain't gone.
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Joy Reid
He was very clear. Jason was very clear. He was not going to know Freedom250. But I figured the day to really see it and to really see if people were going to show up was going to be Sunday. Why? Because this was a good family day. It's a post church day. So here and I figured if they're going to be crowd, they were going to be here yesterday. So you can see it there. There was a lot of the freedom came with a lot of barriers, barricades all over D.C. you could barely get in. There was a little hoedown they tried to do. As you can see, the crowds were still light. This was a Sunday. It wasn't super hot, it was a little cloudy. They ended up shutting it down early because it eventually did get cloudy and there was like thunder and stuff. But it wasn't raining. It was decent temperature. You can see. I went into multiple things. I'm going to post a longer video so you guys can see it a little more closely. The Museum of the Bible. There was a lot of, like, Bible and churchy and religious paraphernalia, which was very weird. Moms for Liberty was there. This is the part where young people were given the chance to draw heroes. And what you'll see is that when young people were allowed to draw heroes, a lot of them drew women and Native Americans. So it was interesting when children kind of self selected who they thought were heroes. There was Harriet Tubman, there was one astronaut. There were a lot of Native Americans, multiple Harriet Tubman. There were about three just on that wall alone. So when young people got the chance on their own to say who their heroes were, they were pointing to a lot of women and to a lot of indigenous people, which was interesting. But when you went beyond them, it was kind of shocking. Moms for America, not Moms for Liberty. Moms for America was there. That was me in my outfit. How white it was. This was a thing that was. Northrop Grumman had their own little. It was almost like a ride. You could go in, which was creepy. There was the. I'm going to show you the Arc de. The Arc of Triumph, or whatever he calls it, the arc of whatever. Trump's arc to Trump. But you can see this is the side that was a little more packed. There was a very long line that was the floor. Florida. The Florida line was the only long line. No other lines even had a line. Florida had a long line. I didn't stand in it because I'm like, I don't even want to know what was in there. But you can see when you go in the exhibits. And again, I'm going to put up a much longer version of this on substacks. You guys can see it, and I'll put one up on YouTube as well. The exhibits showcased almost exclusively white people, White celebrities. Two different. Both the Mississippi and Louisiana had Elvis, big Elvis. And this was Louisiana, which was interesting in that there was one Louis Armstrong, which was kind of the only black face that I saw in the exhibits. Many of the exhibits were very plain. Some of the. I went into the more elaborate ones. I did eventually go in North Carolina to make sure they didn't still have a Confederate flag up. But it was very state. It was not a lot of crowd. I was kind of surprised that Al kind of lightly attended. It was. I did also, and I'm gonna show you later, I went by the reflecting pool, which was surrounded In a giant gate. Interestingly enough, there were like four workers who were working on it from the inside, which you couldn't get to them. They were all brown people. That's the Mississippi one. It was very white. So even these southern. And you can see the raindrops are now starting to fall on my camera. There's. There was the big Ferris wheel. Not a long line for the Ferris wheel. I felt a bit badly for the families who were walking around. And a few people, I was just listening to them were saying, wow, this isn't a lot. And there was the Arc de Tromp there. And you could see that they stapled the outside of it on. So it was. And a lot of the fixtures, when you go close to it, it looks like it's three dimensional, but it's just a painting. So there was nothing three dimensional. It was all like taped on. And this was us sort of when we left. It actually made me a little sad seeing how poorly done it was and how kind of the lack of uplift, the lack of excitement, the lack of culture. And keep in mind that the night before for their big July 4th, extravagant. This was on July 5th. On July 4th, they tried to have a big concert which got delayed because of rain. A huge storm that caused the attendees to have to flee inside the National Museum of African American History and Culture, which was super ironic. I saw those clips on social media of all of these people. Again, overwhelmingly white. I saw that as well. Like, 99% of the attendees were white. A lot of them in MAGA hats, a lot of them in American flag paraphernalia. There were a handful of black people as well, but mainly white people. And seeing them sitting inside the National Museum of African American History, you know, no offense to these MAGA fans, but all I could think was, oh, my God, I really hope that they don't get angry that they're stuck in there and start marauding and destroying things. If they understand that they're in the Black History Museum. It made me nervous. This was my nightmare on January 6, 2021, that they would discover that they were that close to the Black History Museum and go in and start destroying things. Because we know how much they hate black history. So that was very jarring to see them in there. Some of my favorite responses were that God made them go in and get a history lesson and that they ought to have to take a black history quiz in order to leave. And that hopefully while they were there, they learned something. I doubt it. I don't think they went into the exhibits. Some people said they hope that. There was one post that said they hope that the museum exhibits come to life and start talking to them, which would have been interesting. I wouldn't be against that. Maybe the exhibit should have come to life because, you know, the idea that these people were stuck, of all places, in the Black History Museum because they couldn't go and have their very, very white, very, very Trumpy, very, very partisan party on July 4, the fact that they couldn't even start their fireworks until after midnight. And Donald Trump was determined to keep going. And so friends that live in D.C. or work in D.C. or mainly who live in D.C. were talking about the fact that their sleep was then interrupted because they started the fireworks after midnight. And if you saw the fireworks, it literally looked like D.C. was on fire. It looked like World War 3. It didn't look festive. It looked ominous. It looked so funny.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
I apologize. You know where we are, we're all the way in the boonies, right?
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Joy Reid
Yeah.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
About 12, 15. And, you know, I'm a bed. I go by bedroom. There's not going. I'm going to bed. You could hear those blasts from D.C. from our bedroom. It was loud. It kept on going on and on. I thought it was a crescendo because, you know, every time you do a crescendo gets louder. It was crescendo after crescendo after crescendo, and apparently was just a complete nightmare.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. And the sound. Right. And so they started that after midnight because of course, for hours before that, they were. They were trapped in the Black History Museum. Some people said they should have saged it afterwards. Listen, all I could think of was sinners, like, don't let them in there. That's like the sinners thing where they look outside and say, y' all clan. You know, that G. That. That. That. That gif, or jif I call it gif is going around y' all clan. Cause I mean. Cause I would have been a bit nervous because one of the things you really. That's jarring about Washington D.C. is that the people who are doing most of the, you know, sort of ushering you around. Most of the people who are doing sort of the clerking of you, the moving of bodies around, telling you where to go, where to sit. The people who are working in the museums are almost entirely black. And so because the sort of service, you know, sort of worker world is very black. And so it was just very jarring to see all of these young African American men, almost all the people Directing us around were young black men. And the people they were directing were almost all MAGA white people. And I say they were MAGA because they were wearing MAGA clothes or they were all dressed in American flag stuff, which is actually violating the flag code. But the idea that these people were stuck in that place, in that sanctified space that, you know, Mother Nature directed them to because the storm wouldn't let them hear Trump for hours was actually kind of Chef's Kiss perfect. Or also terrifying because I definitely had a sinner's vibe of please don't let those people truly understand what artifacts are there and destroy them. I'm sorry to be that cynical about these people, But I remember January 6th, and for all the right wingers who say, yeah, but we're not the violent ones, yeah, y' all are. January 6th, y' all were beating the crap out of police officers and trying to kill them. You tried to lynch Nancy Pelosi and you tried to lynch your own vice president, Mike Pence. Y' all brought a literal lynching rope with you. And so on January 6, 2021, all I could think of was, please, God, don't let these people destroy the Black History Museum. And then here they were. Same vibe, different people. But the other thing that happened was a white supremacist group, a very well known white nationalist group called the Patriot front, marched on January 4th. This was before they had to. What I'm going to show you all is they want you to see the clips that are going all over social media of them marching and going, America, take back America. And they were marching with Confederate flags, upside down US Flags. It was very disrespectful of the country. But I want you to see ford Fisher and T.J. jones of News to share and big up to them. They saw. They actually showed you what their actual experience was like. Okay, Jason, roll them. Every single one of you justifies the right to an abortion.
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Bill Rhoden
You pathetic pieces of.
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Joy Reid
Blocking like the side. Just give it a minute and try again.
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Congressman Al Green
Get out of line, Get out of
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Joy Reid
the cars and say, right there.
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Congressman Al Green
Yeah.
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Dr. Jamar Tisby
Who needs a car?
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
Right there.
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Joy Reid
Go, go, go, go.
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Various interview clips and officials (e.g., James Burgum, Major Jason Watson)
Who needs a card?
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Joy Reid
Want any more numbers?
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Various interview clips and officials (e.g., James Burgum, Major Jason Watson)
Oh.
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Joy Reid
250 years. 1776. What's the point today? What's the point? National independence, the representation of the nation's cause and our people's.
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Bill Rhoden
In the face.
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Joy Reid
Hit the door.
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Congressman Al Green
Hold the doors.
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Various interview clips and officials (e.g., James Burgum, Major Jason Watson)
Go.
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Joy Reid
You can't even walk in the right line.
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Congressman Al Green
Look, you.
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Bill Rhoden
Oh, no.
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Joy Reid
Oh, no.
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Bill Rhoden
There you go.
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Joy Reid
You guys been sucked in the military. No no, no, no.
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Congressman Al Green
Walk faster, walk faster behind me.
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Joy Reid
Come on, let's go, let's go.
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Bill Rhoden
What's wrong with you?
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Joy Reid
You all, man. Look at these uneven rows. Hey, short stack, short stack of.
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Congressman Al Green
Dude, walk faster, walk faster. You're falling behind.
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Joy Reid
Let's go.
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Bill Rhoden
If you put them down, then they will all look, look at you. You could be the new alpha. They'll all look at you like the new leader.
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Joy Reid
If you fight that guy, you should
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Bill Rhoden
go punch that guy right in the space. The guy with the stupid hat on up there. The leader.
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Various interview clips and officials (e.g., James Burgum, Major Jason Watson)
Thomas.
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Bill Rhoden
Go fight Thomas and then you'll be the new leader if you win. But you gotta win because I'm looking at it like big strong guy like you. Taking orders from a little guy like that is no way. I just don't believe it.
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Joy Reid
Smiling under that, man. I just. I'm sorry. So the, the, the counter protesters finally followed them around. That was them playing the clown music. I didn't add that. That was the clown music that they were playing as they followed them around and mocked them and said they should go fight. The leader, the one guy who's not wearing a mask, his name Thomas Ryan Rousseau. He created this organization after splitting from one of the other groups who did remember, unite the right. The Charlottesville massacre people, the people who did Charlottesville in 2017 in the wake of that, after one of the neo Nazis who was part of that march to try to save the Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville, Virginia, one of them went to prison. I think he got life in prison for killing a Black Lives Matter, a white woman Black Lives Matter marcher. And so the groups then split and this guy created Patriot Front. And what was hilarious about it, it was like 90 degrees. They're out there in full masks, face masks, in the whole regalia. Hot as hell. Some of them had to be treated. I guess they had to take the little mask down and get some water. And they looked ridiculous. And so I thought the best clip to show you was that clip because they were being treated as if they were ridiculous. No one was afraid of them. They're not the real Klan. And the fact that they were all in their little look alike outfits, marching around proclaiming that they're going to save Western civilization, but they can't show their faces. You're like, what? Mike Lee, the senator from Utah, tried to gaslight us by saying, well, they're clearly antifa or real leftists who are dressing up because quote unquote, real patriots don't wear masks. Et 2 Mike Lee. Because last I checked ice wear masks. So you're saying ice are not real patriots. Cuz they look just like ice. They look like the Proud Boys. They look like all the other right wing groups. Old keepers, the Boogaloo Boys, they all dress slightly differently. The Boogaloo Boys wear Hawaiian shirts. But a lot of these people wear masks. And so they look just like all the other ones to me. They all look the same to me. They all look like clan to me. And note that we are in the 2000s and so it is very reminiscent in many ways of the 1920s. We're gonna get to that in a moment, but I want you to put a pin in that and then think about the fact. Also in DC did you know that DOGE has ended itself and that the government is now rehiring? I know you don't think these two things are related, but DOGE has now ended itself officially. And just so that you are very clear, the Office of Personnel Management, which was allowing DOGE to run rampant through its files and fire tens of thousands of federal workers leaning heavily on firing black women. Here it is. Here's OPM reinstatement. Notice that is live online. You can get to this online right now. And it says that they are now looking to reinstate people. So this is after DOGE wiped out usaid, wiped out big chunks of the federal government, and then all of a sudden, right, they stole all they need, they got all our data, and now they're like rehiring. You're suddenly rehiring. If you go to number two, Jason, it's got some of the requirements. If you want to get rehired, you can come right back in and get a job. But let me make y' all disabuse you of the notion that those black women are about to get those jobs. You know why those people march around with their masks on? It's not because it's part of their uniform and it's a way that makes them feel powerful. It's because if their faces are completely covered and they end up with those federal jobs, there's no way for you to connect them with this white nationalist organization. If you don't think that what we're seeing now is the great replacement of a professional, largely multiracial federal workforce with these clowns, you haven't been paying attention. Some of these people are likely going to wind up working in the federal government, attempting to administer your VA benefits, your Social Security benefits. Those same people who are walking around chanting white nationalist bullshit are probably going to go right to OPM and get jobs that you will pay their salaries for. And this is a way for them to both be white nationalist, undercover, under a mask, hot as hell, looking stupid, but then turn right around and sit in an office in a suit and tie and run the federal government. Unqualified, underqualified, stupid, not intelligent, not not worthy, totally unqualified for the jobs, likely not educated. And it doesn't matter because we are in the nadir, which is very similar to the one in the 1920s where openly the Ku Klux Klan operated in the United States. It was the second coming of the Klan. The Klan had two very big moments. Moment number one was in the original Jim Crow era in the late 19th century and then they kind of died down a little bit. But they came back strong in the 1920s. And in the 1920s when they came back, they weren't secretly in the Klan, they were openly in the Klan. At one point I used to live in Denver, Colorado. At one point the Democratic mayor, Democratic mayor of Denver, Colorado was a high level member of the Ku Klux Klan, but so was the Republican governor, so Mayor Ben Stapleton, who they named for a while the Arena. After that I graduated from high school in Stapleton Arena. Ben Stapleton was a Klan leader, but so was the governor. His name was Clarence Morley and he was a Republican. The Klan was active in both the Democratic and Republican parties. The 1920s was their heyday. Woodrow Wilson screened Birth of a Nation inside of the White House. Note that Woodrow Wilson is also the reason that we have the national anthem. We have because his daughter had a hit record with the Star Spangled Banner. And he then declared that his daughter's hit record should be our national anthem. Just so that you know, the national anthem didn't come with the country. It came with the most racist Democratic president in the 20th century. Woodrow Wilson and his daughter loved the song, recorded it, made a hit record out of it and he said that should be our national anthem. That's how we got it. That racist Democratic bastard. And so over the last. Actually I think he might have posted it today. Jamar Tisby, who is a really terrific historian posted this one. This is Jason A6 that if you think about what we saw in Washington with these upside down flags, Confederate flags, these right wing neo Klan marching around in their silly looking incel uniforms with their faces covered. And then you think about the 1920s, 2026 and 1926, there is a connection. We are in the new age of the open clan where clan like membership is once again completely Sort of is accepted and promoted in a way by the federal government. Keep in mind, those people are fascists. Those guys marching around is the First Amendment and it genuinely is. Even the Klan has the right to march. It's the First Amendment. Being against them according to this regime makes you a terrorist. Being anti fascist makes you a terrorist. Let's listen to your Interior Secretary's name is James Burgum. Asked whether or not Donald Trump should condemn the Patriot Front. Take a listen, move on. But do you, as interior secretary, will you recommend to the president that he condemns this group and what they were trying to message, what they did try to message here in Washington?
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Various interview clips and officials (e.g., James Burgum, Major Jason Watson)
Well, there have been. Dan, a part of my response to that is that there are protests on the Mall, that people say things that I think are irrepresensible about President Trump, and yet they're allowed to go on because of free speech in our country. And so this is a something. But you've seen President Trump. I was with him in North Dakota. I was with him in Mount Rushmore. I was with him.
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Joy Reid
White nationalism, it's, it's as you said, a part of America's history that still has pockets. But the fact that they were here in Washington on such an important day, I do want to move on, but
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Various interview clips and officials (e.g., James Burgum, Major Jason Watson)
I do think again. I mean, there are people that are saying death to Israel and death to America. I mean, this is part of free speech in America. They can say it, we can object to it, but it is something that comes with free speech in America.
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Joy Reid
Okay, first of all, why do you
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
want to move on?
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Joy Reid
Ma', am, you shouldn't want to move on. I don't understand. Journalists do that.
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Dr. Jamar Tisby
Don't.
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Joy Reid
You don't want to move on. Make him answer that damn question. He's want. He was clearly willing to answer it. Joining me now is the person who created that amazing juxtaposition of 1926 and 2026, Jamar Tisby, who is an award winning author as well as a excellent historian. Jamar, thanks for being here. Glad to be Dr. Jamar Tisby. Let me give you an honorific.
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Dr. Jamar Tisby
Appreciate that. Good to be here.
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Joy Reid
Great to have you. So talk about this. You know, they say that history kind of works in a hundred year cycles and it definitely feels like we are living the 1920s again.
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Dr. Jamar Tisby
It sure does. A lot of people like to say history repeats itself. Historians, we don't say that exactly because there's always differences. But history does rhyme and we do see patterns. So I saw Patriot Front and what they did and the timing was important. The 4th of July, America 250, them doing it on that day was an assertion of who and what makes a true American. And that has been the story of this country since before the Declaration of Independence. And so I went back and I did some research into, because we've seen probably online these, these pictures of the Klan marching in Washington D.C. and I said, huh, isn't that interesting that it's happening again? I wonder what was going on in the 1920s that is maybe similar or different to 2026 a century later. And what I came upon was really interesting. If you'd like to hear more. So 2000, 1926 was actually the second big march in Washington D.C. of the Klan. The biggest one was 1925, where upwards of 50,000 clan members from around the country descended on the Capitol, marched down Pennsylvania Avenue and had this huge rally. Now what was interesting about that is the permit that they applied for required them not to have masks over their faces so they could wear the hoods, but they had to have the mask part pulled up. I don't know if that was to, to, to give it an air of legitimacy or they just weren't ashamed or whatever, but that was the requirement. And so in 1926 they did not mask up either. And so that's one big difference, right? We see in the 1920s their, their faces were exposed. Now in 2026 they're wearing white masks and sunglasses. And I think to your point, Joy it so they can get these government jobs so they can be part of the regime in some way, shape or form and can't be traced back to these racist demonstrations. The other thing that's happening in 1926, 1924, you get this massive anti immigration act. And this applies to people all over the world, including Southern Europeans. If you European, but you're too dark skinned, you don't count either. And so this is just two years after that act in 1924. And then the last part was also very interesting. Continuity and discontinuity, that's what history is all about. What's the same, what's different? One of the interesting tensions is that in 1926 they were explicitly protesting Governor Al Smith of New York, who was Catholic. And so they ended in a rally that was anti Catholic, it was anti the Pope. Right now we have a US President feuding with the Catholic Pope, the first US Catholic Pope, actually. And so we, we see this sort of anti Catholicism, but at the same time many of the Supreme Court justices are Catholic and The Vice President J.D. vance just put out a book, Communion about his supposed conversion to Catholicism. So just some interesting context there. As we look a century has passed and yet this ideology that democracy is failing and that this is a white man's country remains the same.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, but I would note that I believe that the Catholic members of the United States Supreme Court and J.D. vance are apostatic Catholics because they're Catholics who somehow don't believe in immigration. And one of the hallmarks of the Catholic Church, they used to shield undocumented immigrants inside of literal Catholic churches. The Catholic Church is very pro immigrant and they also ostensibly care deeply about the poor. And these so called Catholics on the Supreme Court and in the Vice President's office hate poor people and think poor people are immoral. And that being rich is how you show that you are moral. I mean, this guy is the scion, at least the ideological scion of Peter Thiel, who has now called the Pope a tool of the Chinese Communists and who believes that the Antichrist is probably Greta Thunberg because she's pro environment and against AI. Like this is apostasy. Like you can call these people Catholic, you can call them whatever you want, I just call them all clan. And that's just me. I'm not saying that as you, but I wanted to. Your point? 1924, there's one, a good friend of mine that is a producer at the Artist formerly known as MSNBC and I, we used to go into a deep wormhole about what was called the Klan Bake. This was the 1924 convention that they literally called, they called it the Klan Bake because it was so full of Klan. It was the Democratic National Convention because remember the parties were flipped at the time and the Democrats were the conservatives. It was in Madison Square Garden in New York City, a 16 day event, the longest continually running nominating convention in US history. It was deadlocked over what? The influence of the Klan. So it's interesting that you have, Dr. Tisby, a Republican party that is as trapped by racists and this great replacement nonsense as the Democrats were trapped by it in the 20s.
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Dr. Jamar Tisby
Yes. And the reality is with a two party system in the United States, what has always been true is that you had one party that at least gave lip service to a multiracial participatory democracy and the other party ran on a platform of white supremacy, of white racial grievance. And that goes all the way back. So one of the interesting historical facts that stuck out to me is that in 1868, which was the first presidential election after the Civil War. You have Grant running against the Seymour Blair ticket. Seymour was at the top of the ticket. Blair was the vp. Their motto was, this is a white man's country, Let white men rule. That's what they campaigned on. That's what they said, oh, this is going to get folks to turn out the vote for our side. And, and mind you, this is three years after the end of the Civil War. More than half a million people dead, slavery finally abolished through a constitutional amendment. It's the time when people of the nation, certainly politicians at the highest level, should be most sensitive to racial questions, to equality and all of that. And what do they do? Straight out of the gate, they said, this is a white man's country. We're going to reassert that. Which of course goes right along with the demise of reconstruction in 1877 and the period that follows it, which is called redemption. And then we talked about these waves of the Klan. First one is 1866, right after the Civil War. The third wave is during the Civil rights movement. The second and most widespread was in that Jim Crow era. And then you were referencing the film Birth of a Nation shown in the White House. Well, the whole premise of that film is how the Klan came to be, which is as this noble resistance movement to Northern carpetbaggers and black Union soldiers to take back the south for righteousness and for good and, and for true patriotism. Right. With that same idea, I mean, we're seeing the ideological descendants of those folks. And it, it is unfortunately encapsulated in one of the two major parties that's been wholly taken over by this great replacement theory. Democracy has failed. White people are the only true Americans kind of ideology and thought process.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. I mean, and the thing about it is that this conservatism, I just call it sort of blanket conservatism, it's constantly looking for a host. It's like a virus. And it'll take any host that, as I mentioned earlier, in Colorado, it took both parties. Both the Republican and the Democratic parties in Colorado were beset by the Klan. The governor was a Republican Klansman. The mayor of Denver was a Democrat Klansman. They're both high level Klansmen. And so at one point in the 1920s, this is why it's called the Klan sort of golden era, because it was eating up both parties. It wasn't just the Democrats. But, but in this era, it really is a. And what's sort of interesting, Dr. Tisby, is that the other party, usually when you have one party that's white nationalist, the other party is corporatist. Hello, Democrats. Let me do. Let me do a game of who said it. I'm going to read a passage from the manifesto of the white nationalist Patriot Front. And then I'm going to read something that was a quote from, from Stephen Miller, who, ironically enough, his own family came to this country, I want to believe, in the 1920s, and would have been rejected under the very immigration law he wants to return to it, which is the 1924 Johnson Reed immigration Act. That's what he wants back. He wouldn't have even made it here under that because his people are Jewish. Here's what one of the two has said. The time of the Republic has passed in America. As the system grows too weak to perform its duty, the damage done to this nation and its people will not be fixed. If every issue requires the approval and blessing from the dysfunctional American democratic system, democracy has failed in this once great nation. And then here is another one. The fundamental question of our time is whether the west has the will to survive. Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost? Do we have enough respect for our citizens to. To protect our borders? Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it? Which of those two do you think is Stephen Miller, number one or number two?
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Dr. Jamar Tisby
I think the second one was Stephen Miller. But the ideology is the exact same.
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Joy Reid
That's why you're the PhD. You guessed correctly. But honestly, there are some Stephen Miller quotes that read worse than quotes from the Patriot Front. The two, the ideology is the same. They both believe in great replacement. They believe that white Americans, white Christians, are being forcibly replaced by people from what they call the Third World. Brown and black people are not really Americans, cannot really be Americans. I mean, the Patriot Front believes that the African, as they say, cannot be a citizen because they simply are an African in America and that they cannot be a citizen of because they are not of the founding stock of the country. I'm not sure that Stephen Miller disbelieves that.
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Dr. Jamar Tisby
Well, what's so frustrating? And they don't care about facts or history, but black folk in the US have been here a lot longer than many of the white people who claim to be foundational to this nation. Stephen Miller, for example. Trump's family, for example. Right. My family's been here longer than all of them.
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Joy Reid
Listen, the Patriot Front, last name Rousseau. Baby, your people weren't here in the beginning. Every African American been here before. Mr. Rousseau, you from Texas? You last name is Rousseau? Buddy, go back to France or wherever your people are from. Go on. Sorry.
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Dr. Jamar Tisby
And the other thing, I want folks to peep game here. So one of the things that I've been seeing more and more and more is folks in this circle giving more and more credit to, to Western Europe and white people in the United States for abolishing slavery. Like the, the, the move is to say, well, slavery was worldwide and it didn't start going out of style until countries in Europe and the United States abolished it. To which I want to say, why did they abolish it? Because it wasn't the enslavers who said, you know what? I've had a second thought and this is wrong. It was because enslaved people and their allies were pushed for it. Understand that in history, whenever progress comes, it's not because the people in power suddenly had a change of heart. It was because the grassroots resisted to a point where they didn't have any other choice. And so they're trying to flip the historical narrative to say, well, it's Western Europeans and it's white people in the United States who actually did the most for black people. So I want folks to hear that. I also want folks to hear what else they're doing with this whole Western civilization thing that is nothing but a Eurocentric ethnocentric ideology that says whatever comes out of Western Europe is the best. And where you start to hear it a lot is when you talk about public education and curricula. They want to emphasize Western civilization, which scholars can do in good faith, and talk about that area as a historical, cultural, literary, whatever. But that's not how these folks mean it. How these folks mean it is European is better than African, than Asian, than South American, than indigenous, than anything else. And that's what we need in our schools. So we got to understand. The language may be shifting here, but also there's just, there's this coding within it that promotes this ideology of white supremacy.
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Joy Reid
Indeed, let me put up a piece for everyone to that I Recommend Reading. The 19th has a fantastic piece called the Black Woman Did Not Look Away and calling on us to not do so either. This is a eight, Jason. Whenever you get a chance, you can throw that up there. And it includes what I do believe is a Pulitzer Prize worthy photo, which I do hope will wind up receiving a Pulitzer Prize. It absolutely deserves it. The piece is by a gentleman named Chaney Orr. He is from Denver, Colorado and is a fantastic photographer for Reuters. And you, sir, Dr. Jamar Tisby. Thank you so much for being here. You're brilliant and we always appreciate you. Please come back anytime.
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Dr. Jamar Tisby
Thank you.
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Joy Reid
Thank you very much. And never forget, there wouldn't have been no freedom from slavery had it not been for the constant insurrections or attempts to overthrow their own condition by black folks, including a giant fight, a giant overthrow of slavery in Haiti, which terrified the west, and the constant attempts by black folks to free themselves, including offering themselves to the union to fight. That's why we ended slavery. Clock it. The Joy Reid show is brought to you by our friends at Wild Alaskan Company. Now listen, I'll tell you what I'm having for dinner tonight. Sorry, Jackie Reed. I'm gonna have me some fabulous fish. And Wild Alaskan Company makes the freshest and the most wonderful, the tastiest and the most helpful because if you're really trying to eat well and you're trying to feel better and be healthy, you have to start with the ingredient that you're putting on your plate. And Wild Caught is one of the ways that you can be sure that you're not getting a lot of sort of chemical introduction and that the stuff you're eating is actually the best for you. Wild Caught high quality seafood delivered to your door on your schedule, even better. And so if you are going to eat, if you're a pescatarian like myself, Wild Alaskan, they give you this wonderful box that comes with individually portioned fillets, vacuum sealed for easy prep and perfect for any meal, no matter how quick or elevated. All the fish is quick frozen fresh from the Alaskan waters, which helps lock in the freshness, the texture, flavor and key nutrients like omega 3s. It's fish you can trust with no GMOs, no antibiotics or other additives. Every order supports sustainable harvesting practices and Alaskan fishermen whose history is tied to the region and the predecessor practice. And so our experience is that the food is delicious. I'm a snapper girl. If you love you some snapper, they're going to give it to you in these wonderful portions that if you're doing meal prep is perfect because you can go ahead prep and be ready to go. Fabulous. Delicious. We also love the cod. And Wild Alaskan is so confident that their fish is the best, they will give you a 100% satisfaction and money back guarantee. You can try your first box risk free. If you go to wildalaskin.com joy, you will get $35 off your first order of premium Wild caught seafood that's wildalaskan.com store for $35 off your first order. Thanks to Wild Alaskan Company for sponsoring this episode. Okay, so your president, I'm putting it on you, not me, is at it again, claiming that if the US does not win the World cup and they play tonight against Belgium. Boo Belgium. He's going to treat it like he did the 2020 election.
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Bill Rhoden
This game would have a big mark on it if we lost, if we won. No matter what happened, you have to let them use their best players and the game tonight is going to be amazing and we're going to have a full team and Belgium is going to have a full team. And you know what? If they beat us, then they can be really proud the other way. If they beat us, we'll say it was. I say it was rigged, just like the election was rigged in 2020. But I won't get into that.
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Joy Reid
What an idiot. And just to make sure that he gets his way, Trump actually intervened to have a red card on the US Best player removed so that he could continue playing. As veteran journalist Bill Rhoden writes, and I'm going to quote, in one simple act of intervention, the administration of President Donald Trump has transformed the United States men's national team from World cup underdog to global villain. On Sunday, in a stunning turn of events, FIFA, the governing body of international soccer, suspended the red card to US Striker Foleren Balogan received in the team's match against Bosnia Herzegovina last week in the round of 32. FIFA's move makes Baligan one of the United States best players eligible to face Belgium on Monday evening. That's tonight in the round of 16. ABC confirmed reports that Trump made a call to FIFA after the US Win over Bosnia Herzegovina last week and apparently asked FIFA President Gianni Infantino and an admirer of the president who gave him that fake award. I added that to review the red card. In 2025, Infantino presented Trump with the FIFA Peace Prize. They never existed before. Before the ceremony for the 2026 World cup draw in Washington, D.C. we do not know if Infantino pressured the committee that looks at all incidents during the World Cup. Yet Bolongan's red card was surprisingly suspended. So real quick, who is Falungin Foligan Balogan? Well, he's a US Striker. He recently he previously played for Arsenal. That's Jason's team in the UK. He was born on July 3, 2001 in Brooklyn, New York. Now here's the thing. His parents are Nigerians of the Yoruba tribe. Their Names are Florence and Ben Bologan. The Baligan were living in London and were in New York visiting relatives when his mom was seven months pregnant. But when they tried to return home, the airline staff refused to let her board her return flight due to her advanced pregnancy. They wouldn't let her on the plane. So the couple returned to Brooklyn. And Fullerin was born in New York and is therefore an American citizen now. He grew up in London. He returned there when he was two months old. But he's an American, which is why he can play for the team. And while this president and his regime are deeply anti immigrant, deeply anti black, they especially hate black immigrants. When it comes to winning esports, Trump is willing to go out of his way to make sure that the black immigrant can play. And joining me now is the aforementioned Bill wrote in his landmark book, $40,000,000 Slaves, turns 20 years old today.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
Let's say he just has his camera off.
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Joy Reid
Oh, okay. Turn the camera on. Bill Roden. Turn the camera on, brother. We're going to wait for him. Turn his camera. Can you put the book up, though? The book is absolutely. Yes, let's put the book up. So this is one of the books that was the tome about the unfairness of black players not being able to get paid to play. And there he is. Bill turned his camera on. Hey, Bill.
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Bill Rhoden
Rookie, rookie mistake. Sorry.
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Joy Reid
That was an UNC move. Look, we auntie and uncle, they're like, turn your camera on, uncle.
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Congressman Al Green
How you doing?
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Bill Rhoden
How are you doing?
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Joy Reid
I'm good, thank you. So let's talk about Mr. Balogan. Donald Trump, he don't like black people except when they play sports. And I think he feels that the only purpose for black bodies is to play sports. So he's fine with black athletes. And in this case, he went out of his way to help his brother out. What is happening?
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Bill Rhoden
Well, the whole thing is kind of crazy. And what's unfortunate to me is I try not to give him and all this any energy at all. My whole philosophy is not to give that fire any air at all. But one of the things I was wondering, even at the beginning of the administration, the second administration is given the anti dei, the anti black. How is he going to, how is this administration going to screw around with Sport, particularly the NBA, NFL, you know, which is, you know, 90% of the players are black. Big time college football, big time college basketball. And, and, and by the way, the reason why big time football, college football is, is what it is now is a multi billion industry is because of what young black Muscle. That's. And, and, and because of diversity, inclusion, equity. That's why the SEC is the SEC and the Big Ten. The Big Ten, because they said, you know what, we need to diversify. We need inclusion. We need all the things that this administration said you don't need. So it's kind of, the whole thing is kind of ironic. And, and then, and the thing about. Of. Of. I'm trying to pronounce follower. This guy is not Pele. I mean, it's not like he's Pele. You know, even going into the World cup, it was kind of. Well, I don't know. And he just happened to have a good World cup, but it's not like he's like LeBron James or Kobe Bryant. So the unfortunate aspect of this is that in this country, Joy. And I know I'm kind of going all around in this country, around the world, soccer is a working person's blue collar sport. It's the working person's sport. Kind of like the equivalent here, coming to the hood, making money. Not in the United States, in the United States. And they want to keep it this way. It's a middle and upper middle class suburban sport. And that's how it was perceived. And so I think that the United States desperately wants to respect. Of the rest of the world because the rest of the world is looking at kind of like, man, you spoiled, pampered, you know, kind of brats. And what's unfortunate for this team is that because they had a pretty decent showing, they just got to the point where people were beginning to grudgingly say, okay, all right, we'll kind of, all right, we'll kind of get behind this. And then at the first instance of, it's kind of like, you know, having your mother come and talk to the coach, you know, to get you to play. You know, the first thing of resistance, you know, the guy gets a red card and it's 50, 50. You know, you watch sports, I mean, you're a big boxing person. Sometimes you get the result, sometimes you don't. Sometimes it's fair, sometimes it's not. And that's just the way sports is. You, you, you pick yourself up, you play with what you got and, and you proceed. But not here. No, this is, you know, we. Because it's this high profile usa, USA kind of thing. This is a perfect arena to kind of grandstand and kind of come in and save the day. And this has never happened before, you know, where a world leader contacts FIFA and said, listen, we want you to overturn or intercede in something that that's never really happened before. And so all of a sudden, what had been a good World cup, good results, Africa has got a great showing in this World Cup. Now all of a sudden, you've got the administration and the president in the middle of this controversy. And in the long run, it's going to do more damage to the World cup, is going to do damage to the U.S. team and to his poor brother, you know, because again, it's like, oh, man, you only made. You only made the team because your mother. Because your mother talked to the coach,
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Joy Reid
because your mama, Donald came and talked to the coach. I mean, look, the reality is, look at this team. And this is one of the things that's really been striking to me. You say that, you know, soccer, as you said, football, as it's called throughout the world, is a working man's sport. It's a working class sport because all you need is a ball. And so anyone can play. And so kids are playing in the, you know, the hardcore ghettos, the hardest places to live in the world. They all play football, trust me, everybody around the world, whereas here, you have to sign up for travel, soccer. And, you know, it's like, soccer mom.
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Bill Rhoden
Soccer mom.
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Joy Reid
As a former soccer mom, I can tell you we had two boys that played soccer. And it's a very, you know, it's a very suburban sport. But look at the team. Look how black the team is. This almost looks like an NBA team, right? The NBA starting lineup. It's very black. But go to the world teams, Jason, if you go to the next one, go to the B6. Look at these teams, brother. If you look at France, basically, that is an African team. Those people are from the French. Colonized, colonized republics. Former colonized. The former colonial republics make up so much of the French team. Without Mbappe, what is the French team? And then if you look at England's team, you know, as much as I very much wanted them to lose their previous game.
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Bill Rhoden
Really?
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Joy Reid
Yeah, because I look, I'm rooting for all the African teams, brother. I'm trying to root for the African teams. And so they defeated one of the nine African teams who made it that far. But it's a black team. That team is full of black people. You know, the Norwich team is very white.
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Bill Rhoden
This is the whole story of. What you're looking at is a whole story of colonization, right? Yes, it's a snapshot of colonization, you know, and it's every. It's every single team. And there's Two things, Joy. So when you mention, when you look at the US Team that you just showed now, yes, they're black, but none of those players were developed in the United States. They were all developed elsewhere. They were all developed in Europe. And so one of the push is that one of the pushes that a lot of activists wanted to see in the United States. There are a lot of great talent in the United States in the hood, but that's not necessarily what is USA Soccer wants to see. They don't want soccer in this country to be like the NBA, in the NFL. They want to keep it kind of middle, upper middle class. But forget that. I mean, that kind of gets into the weeds. But the point is that this team was on the verge of really kind of being embraced. Now, I think that because of this intervention, it's kind of turned the United States back. In other words, it explodes. The myth of this is sort of like this underdog. This is not how an underdog works. No, you just make a call and what was dark becomes light. You know, that's not an underdog.
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Joy Reid
Can I just say to you, Bill, that if the US Ends up winning and being the finals and ultimate winner, people aren't going to believe that it was legit. Donald Trump intervened, and then suddenly, all of a sudden they win. You know, it's just going to look bad. And I think you're right. I think it makes the country look bad and it makes it look unfair. And that is very unfair, I think, to those players.
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Bill Rhoden
Yeah, yeah. No, it's, it's, it's unfortunate and, you know, but, but having said, it's, it's, there's no but about it. It's been, it's been a remarkable story. The people on the team are nice people. They're, they're, you know, they're, they're fine. But, you know, it's just really, it's really unfortunate. There's really a no win situation and this whole kind of patriotic fervor, you know, the usa, the usa. Which kind of makes me feel a little uncomfortable. You know, the, the whole, you know, the whole Channing. And I'm like, kind of. Hold on. You know, I'm, I'm for, I'm, I'm like, for you. I'm, I'm like, for, I'm pulling for France. You know, I've got it like that. And one of the things that I've been fascinated by, and it's kind of the root of $40 million slaves, is that it's about power and control. How do we control our resources? And I think one of the challenges for Africa that's made a great showing is Africa produces. Africa has been sort of like a farm team to the world. It produces all these great soccer players. Like you said, France, Spain, Portugal. Every single European country has first generation Europeans, mothers and fathers came from Cameroon or Algeria and all that kind of stuff. And I think the challenge for Africa has been how do we build an infrastructure where we can keep all this talent. We. Where we can keep, develop and not have to send our raw material. And you know, this is not just sports, but for the sake of this conversation, how can we keep our raw material and not have to send it to like France and Germany? How can we keep and develop our raw material? And that's, you know, right now they've not been able to do that. They've got a lot of talent. The talent goes elsewhere and gets developed and in Europe. And so I think that there's so much going on in this World cup. But the big challenge for Africa is how to develop talent here. The big challenge for the United States, with all is the richest country on earth is how do you create? I mean, there's no, there's no way that soccer in this country should be underdogs. You know, as much talent as you've got here. The idea that. But do you want to open up soccer in this country to everybody?
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Joy Reid
Right?
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Bill Rhoden
You want to get to everybody. So.
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Joy Reid
And, and by the way, you know, a lot of the best soccer players in high school get recruited as. As kickers to play football. So by the time they get to college, they're getting more recruited to be the kicker. A lot of them kickers that are so great and they kick them long while they're soccer players. Let me show you this because the other issue, you talk about this 20 and we're going to talk really quickly as a. For your. The 20th anniversary of the book, I want you to see this. There's a streamer named I show speeds. Very popular twitch streamer. Here's how he got treated by Argentina fans who are notorious for being real racist.
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Bill Rhoden
Yeah, yeah. Argent. His no day at the beach.
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Joy Reid
What did you even. What are you saying? What are you saying? Like, what are you even saying, bro?
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Dr. Jamar Tisby
Where you.
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Joy Reid
You can turn down the sound, Jason. Yeah, it's.
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Bill Rhoden
Yeah, No, I can't say it on your show, but my attitude toward Argentina, I mean, I'm down with, you know, like Colombia because they all have an African friend. There's not one African in Argent. And you Know the whole history of Argentina.
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Joy Reid
Yep. So that's where the Nazis went.
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Bill Rhoden
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm not. And they would been out. They were out the government outspoken and saying, we want to de Africanize this country. I ain't down with that.
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Joy Reid
Nope.
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Bill Rhoden
At all. You know, I'm not down with Argentina at all. At all. Capital A, Capital at all. I'm not down with that at all.
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Joy Reid
No. We want anybody to win but them in Norway.
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Bill Rhoden
But yeah, well, you know, we got a couple brothers on the team.
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Joy Reid
Do they? Okay.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
All right.
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Joy Reid
We'll get nowhere brave, but Argentina is the one. We do not want them to win at all. Let's talk about $20 million slaves. This is the 20th anniversary. So it's almost the 40th anniversary. Is this the 40th anniversary?
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Bill Rhoden
$40 million slave.
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Joy Reid
$40 million. Oh, okay, okay. $40 million slave. Don't make, don't cut their money in half. $40 million slave. Lord Jesus, it scared me. Said it was 40 years old. I was going to feel 70, 90. When you wrote this book, talk about what brought it on and what you're going to be doing to commemorate the 20th anniversary of $40 million slaves.
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Bill Rhoden
Yeah, well, you know, the idea, I was kind of saying that there gets to be a point is right. It was a nine year project and it got to a point where I just want to get done. You know, it's kind of like Churchill somebody said, when you're up to your neck in alligators, it's hard to remember you were there to drain the swamp. And so a lot of. But, but, but the idea of this, of the book really was two things. I've been working in this field, in the field for so long and, and I just saw, and I'm old enough to remember where these teams had quotas. So many, so many black folks can play. Blacks can't play certain positions. They can't play thinking man's position. The NBA had quotas. And to see the evolution where NBA like, you know, 80% black, NFL, 70% black. You know, black quarterbacks are running, you know, but the control factor, we still, you know, there's still no majority ownership. We're still not owners. We don't own anything in basketball or football. When the book was written, there were seven African American head football coach, NFL. Now they're three, you know, so it's kind of like. So I wanted to examine the power dynamic that, that visibility isn't necessary. Is, you know, getting a lot of money is, isn't power. Sometimes wealth isn't always power. Our next plateau is ownership. You know that. And it doesn't matter whether it's sports media, whatever. You gotta own it. You have to own it. And so that's been the next frontier. So I want to do two things. I want to examine this power dynamic of African Americans in the business, sport, and play. How do we. How do we get control over things? But the second thing was a history lesson, because you get around a lot of young people. I was speaking to a middle school class. This is when I first started writing the book. And I was during Black History Month, of course, I was speaking to the middle school history class. I mean, middle school class. And after I finished, a little girl said, yeah, Mr. Rohn, that's fine. But who was the first white player to integrate the NBA? Now think about that. She asked me the question, who was the first white player to integrate the NBA? And it kind of knocked me out. But then I realized, I said, you know what? For this generation, it's always been like that. For this generation, the NBA has always been predominantly black. The NFL has always been 70% black. And I think the tragedy of our young people that when you do not know what is taken to get someplace, what is taken to break into the NBA, what it's taken to own an equity company, what it's taken to own, what is. If you don't know what the struggle is, then you have no sense of struggle. And I think that as. As wealthy as players are in the NBA and NFL, I think they've lost touch of how this happened. And the only reminder, you know, was with, like, when. When a Colin Kaepernick happens.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
And.
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Bill Rhoden
And. And then I think, you know, or not so much Colin Kaepernick, but when something traumatic happens in our community, then all of a sudden, when something happens so traumatic that whether you're conservative
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Congressman Al Green
or
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Bill Rhoden
liberal, whether you're a Democrat, something happens that lets you know the establishment sees you as a. You know, what. Something traumatic has to happen like that to bring our communities together. So I want to present. Write a book that a endured and then gave a history lesson. And the thing I like about $40 million slaves that like five chapters are basically about history. And that history 100 years from now is going to be immovable. But the power dynamic, George, 20 years later, as you know, who would have guessed that we'd be here, you know,
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Joy Reid
so anyway, well, the book has endured, indeed. You definitely wrote something incredibly enduring. $40 million slaves, the rise of and redemption of the black Athlete. You're Doing something on Sunday, I believe to do a commemoration of the book.
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Bill Rhoden
We're having an event later this week in Manhattan, the Studio Museum, to just, I guess you want to call it celebrate. I'm hesitant to say celebrate, but I'm about to hear it now and I'm about the next 20 years. Yeah, what, what, what will we know in 20 years that we don't know now? You know, when this book came out, I couldn't have predicted that we'd be in this situation, that there'd be an all out war on diversity, an all out war on black history, an all out war on any type of black progress, you know, so it's just a reminder that it's a cliche, but the struggle continues, that it's an existential never ending journey. And I guess that's what I want these under 40 people to understand. That, man, this is no matter how many houses you got, no matter what, you know, the struggle continues.
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Joy Reid
Indeed. Last question before I let you go, Bill. Do you think that or do you have any reporting on whether the Knicks will be able to get out of having to go celebrate Donald Trump in the White House?
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Bill Rhoden
That's gonna be one of the things that we're gonna discuss because. And again, that gets to the whole thing about power, right? That's right. You got a team full of millionaires, but do you have enough control? Because I know that there are guys on the team who ain't down with that, you know, but the owner is. And the question is, no matter how much money you're making, do you have the power and the wealth or whatever to say no, we're not going to be the first NBA team that goes visits this administration. So the answer to the question is I'm really intrigued to see how this is going to play out.
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Joy Reid
You and me both. You and me both. William C. Roden, we call him Bill Roden because we know him. He's our friend. Thank you very much, my friend. Congratulations on the 20th anniversary of $40 million slaves. You did that, brother. Thank you very much for being here, Joy.
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Bill Rhoden
Thank you so much.
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Joy Reid
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Happy anniversary to Bill Roden. He is One of the OGs, one of the greatest, you know, sports commentators and journalists in, in the business. Well, welcome to our two of the Joy Reed show. Now do be sure to hit that like and subscribe button if you're loving this content. We want to make sure that your algorithm treats you nice and treats us nice and make sure that you always know when we're live. So hit that notification bell. Hit all and that way you'll always know when we are live. I do believe I'm double checking, but we are. We are. Okay. We're. We. We do not. We can't. Okay. The book is not in our store yet, but we're going to try to get into the store Stories. It's a really great book if you haven't read it, forty Million Dollar Slaves. But yes, the anniversary is coming up. Also we'd love it if you'd hit Share share with a friend. We appreciate you helping us to grow the TJRS Nation. So go ahead and do that as well. We are trying to get to 500000 subscribers. It's like a steady and wonderful climb. But you know, we want we appreciate your help in doing that. Let me know now that the Joy Reach show is brought to you by our friends at Blissey. Now listen, I got to get my sleep. When I finally get to bed, I'm an insomniac so anything I can do to try to help myself go to sleep, I'm going to do it. And having a little face mask over your face, you know, sometimes you even get them on the plane and they're fine. But if they're like cotton, they can actually not do not great things for your skin. And even satin is not necessarily going to be the best thing to put against your skin if you're really trying to also make your dermatologist happy. So what Blissey has that a lot of these other brands do not is wonderful 100% silk. It is cooling, it's gentle, makes your skin look better and is excellent for skin health. And Blissy also makes an amazing pillowcase you could pop on your pillow and then that will do the same thing that your Blissy mask is doing to keep it nice and dark. You can sleep and will do the nicest the same wonderful thing for your hair can also help with anti aging and also helps with hydration. And look, the reality is we are trying to use high quality products that are not high high priced. And Blissy uses the highest quality silk. It's 22 mum 6A grade 100% pure mulberry silk. The added benefits again cooling, breathable, hydrating, hypoallergenic dermatologist tested and recommended. They're also fully machine washable because we don't want to have to go out of our way to take care of the products that we buy. They come in more than 100 colors. They've got wicked Harry Potter designs. They've got Zodiac collection, all the most fabulous things, more than 3 million sold. They're featured in Vogue, Oprah Daily, Good Morning America. They've won 13 awards. It's a practical, wonderful gift for your mom, for your auntie, even your dad. It's got a fro that needs to take care of. Get one for Ellie. My stall additional. They've got all sorts of things. The sleep masks are my favorite and they're great. And I especially do love the pillowcase as well. If you'd like to try it because you are a member of the Joy Reid show family, Blissy is offering a 60 night risk free guarantee plus an additional 30% off when you shop@blissey.com joypod it's bl I s s-y.com joypod p o d and use the code joypod j o y P O D to get an additional 30% off. Your skin and hair will thank you. Wake up with clearer skin, smoother hair, cooler sleep. Use code Joy pod for an extra 30% off@blissey.com joypod okay, so I don't know if you guys have seen this, but I want to big up our. I got a boo. No Harry Potter from Winston. Okay. Don't get the Harry Potter design.
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Various interview clips and officials (e.g., James Burgum, Major Jason Watson)
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Joy Reid
Get a different one if you like Harry Potter. If you don't, then just leave that alone. Get something else. I got a no on that one. So we're going to do. No, I got a no for there. Oh, okay. We're going to, we're going to do this. Graham Platner breaking news in just a moment. Well, let me just do it now. Apparently, Graham Platner, the Senate nominee, says he is taking time off to reflect on the best path forward after a woman told CNN and Politico that he raped her when he was heavily intoxicated nearly five years ago when they were in a casual dating relationship. Lord Jesus. So that we're going to set that aside as a news item because we're going to have to figure out what these Democrats are going to do not having proper candidate vetting before people win primaries because I believe that primary already happened. So if you're taking a step back, buddy, what does that actually mean? I don't know. So that is something we'll put a pin in. And some breaking news that unfortunately is a thing that's happening. Let me do a little bit of other news that is a little less infuriating because that race in Maine, it's very, very important for Democrats to pick up that seat and If Graham Platner was not ready for prime time, he should have pulled out of that race before the primary because there was a third candidate that was in there that could have taken that. And if he doesn't wind up running, what's the process? What's the process for getting someone else in his place? It's so irritating and infuriating when Democrats can't be properly vetted before they become the nominee. It's super ridiculously annoying. So he's already the Democratic candidate. Susan Collins, she must have really sold her soul to the devil because she got a lot of good luck like Trump. The hell, the hell, the hell, the hell. Okay, I'm sorry that I saw that. I was just looking in our slack and there it is. But let's talk about somebody that's a lot more positive. There's a gentleman named Major Jason Watson. And some of you have sent this story to Our news tips thejoireadshow.com Big up to our viewers who sent us this one. More than one of you recommended this story. I had known about it, but we hadn't done it yet. So we're gonna do it now. This is a young man who's risked a lot in order to make a very important call to action. And I think it's an important one because we talk a lot about the lack of consequences for these politicians who do things that seem to quite blatantly violate either the law, the norms, or the Constitution. And nothing seems to happen when that happens. And the person that's probably had the most impunity in American political history, I would argue, is Donald Trump. He has never faced real genuine consequences for anything. He's done this thing that we just saw Graham Platner say he's stepping back from. Donald Trump was accused of sexual abuse. He was accused of rape by E. Jean Carroll. And his response to that was not to say, let me step back and step aside and reevaluate whether I should be running for office or whether I should be president. His response to that was to say, I didn't do that. She's not even my type. As if rape is about who you're attracted to. He literally lied and said that he didn't grab her by the P U S S y, even though he's on tape saying that he could because he's a star. And his response was not to say, you know what? This is a moment when I need to take a step back and rethink my life and my political career. He leaned all the way in and so did his supporters, even the women. And so he's gotten this sense of complete impunity that he can do whatever he wants, that he can say whatever he wants, that he can get away with crime, that he can get away with enriching himself to the tune of $2 trillion or 2 billion, $2 billion. While his supporters who bought his crypto coins have lost like a billion dollars. So they're losing money and he's making money. He's literally stealing from his own fans. And they are like, please, sir, can I have some more? They're losing their farms, they're losing their jobs. And even after he was adjudicated by a civil jury to have done the crime against Eugene Carroll, which unfortunately, she had to sue him for in civil court because the statute of limitations ran out, and he wouldn't have gone to jail anyway, because clearly he can get away with murder even after the jury said, you did it, man. He's refusing to pay her because he also defamed her by lying about her and saying he didn't do it, and he did, per jury, no consequences. And so there's this young man named Major Jason Watson who's an active duty member of the United States military. He said, you know what? Enough people in the. Oh, are people in the threads telling me that Mitch McConnell has passed? Okay, we're going to try to verify that. I want you guys to listen while we try to verify this Mitch McConnell news. Major Jason Watson. It's a bit long. It's about seven minutes, but I want you to listen to the case he made for why Donald Trump and J.D. vance should face consequences for the things that they have done that violate the Constitution. Here it is. C1.
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Various interview clips and officials (e.g., James Burgum, Major Jason Watson)
I, Jason Paul Watson, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. That I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion. And that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I'm about to enter, so help me God. I first swore this oath over 20 years ago upon entering basic cadet training at the United States Air Force Academy in late June of 2005. I've repeated it many times over since then. The oath of office means everything to me. It is foundational to our system of governance in the United States. The oath ensures that officials of our government owe allegiance not to any individual political party, but to our Constitution and the Democratic Republic it represents. Our Constitution binds Us all together as Americans. Like countless veterans before me and military members serving now, I have devoted my life in service to our Democratic Republic. Always doing my best to honor my oath and protect America against foreign threats. But the greatest threat to our Democratic Republic is not a foreign one. It is us. We the people. Not just the left or just the right or just the center. All of us together define who we are as Americans. And like it or not not, we have all played a part, myself included, in getting ourselves into this mess we are all in. The burden of that culpability is much heavier for some amongst us than others. Undeniably. And for those with a lion's share of guilt, such as those currently running the Executive branch of the government, the bill must come due. But all of us have a share. For the past 18 months, we the people have allowed the highest levels of the Executive branch of the federal government. To violate our Constitution and their oaths to it with impunity. When the President of the United States orders military action against foreign countries absent an emergency scenario where American interests are under imminent dire threat, as was done with Venezuela, Cuba and Iran, that's an unconstitutional usurpation of Congress's authority and a violation of the War Powers clause. These violations resulted in the deaths of 13 service members and injuries of hundreds more. For this, the President and Vice President must be impeached, convicted and removed. When the President of the United States grants an unelected mega donor sweeping authority should shut down large swaths of our federal government along with unrestricted access to our government databases. That's an unconstitutional sweet circumvention of Congress's advice and consent authority under the Appointments Clause and Congress's power of the purse under the Appropriations Clause. These violations exposed every American's personal sensitive data to leaks and exploitation, illegally terminated tens of thousands of federal civil servants and crippled support for Americans to Americans for medical care and disaster preparedness and by far most tragically resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of the world's most impoverished people with inhumanely abrupt cessation of US aid. For this, the President and Vice President must be impeached, convicted and removed. When the President of the United States directs the Department of Home Homeland Security to deny hundreds of people any due process before illegally detaining them and sending them to a foreign prison notorious for human rights abuses, that's a violation of our fifth and eighth Amendment rights. Most people sent to see cot never committed any violent crimes in their entire lives, but are being defamed as violent criminals to this Day as a prisoner. Pretext for the torture they suffered in El Salvador paid for with US Taxpayer dollars. For this, the President and Vice President must be impeached, convicted and removed. When the President of the United States sponsors violence on the American people engaged in their constitutional right to peacefully assemble and protest, that's a violation of our First Amendment rights. Pastors praying for DHS agents violently attacked without provocation. Illegal observer losing an eye after being shot with a non lethal by an ICE agent. A woman attempting to follow chaotic and contradictory DS DHS agent instructions fatally gunned down. A subdued man that posed no threat. Fatally shot after having his unbrandished firearm removed with statements by high ranking cabinet members. Also violating our second Amendment rights. For this, the President and Vice President must be impeached, convicted and removed. There are innumerable more impeachable offenses that I could cover. Denying Congress congressional oversight of immigrant detention centers that look increasingly like ccot. Suing institutions like media, colleges and law firms for billions of dollars while abusing the authorities of the executive branch agencies to extort settlements. Allowing a mega donor to advertise products on the White House front lawn. Trading pardons for donations. Levying illegal tariffs. Weaponizing the Department of Justice against political adversaries while ignoring crimes of supporters and enablers. Attempting to reverse birthright citizenship through executive order. For all of these high crimes and misdemeanors, the President and Vice President must be impeached, convicted and removed. The constitutional impeachment process is our best pathway to restore fidelity to our Constitution. This is why I'm here, standing in solidarity with Representative Green. I'm not here because I'm a Democrat or because I share his policy positions. I'm not a Democrat and know next to nothing about his policies. I am here with him because Representative Green is the only member of Congress that has demonstrated the courage and conviction to invoke Rule 9 and force a vote on articles of impeachment.
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Joy Reid
And that is Major Jason Watson. He was arrested following that protest. And if you look at that video that we just played, that Jason just played, you will see standing behind Major Jason Johnson. Jolly good, Ginger. Who we've had on the show, one of our faves, the angry veteran who's the guy with the very long beard and the man who was given a shout out by Major Johnson. And that would be Texas Representative Al Green, one of our favorites on this show. And he joins me now, the fighting Democrat from the great state of Texas. Hello, Congressman Green.
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Congressman Al Green
It's my honor to be with you. Joy. Hello. And I Hope things are going well with you because you are a voice for the people. Thank God for you.
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Joy Reid
Thank you. And thank God for you. I'm not gonna express my absolute anger and disappointment at the outcome in that race that you were running for reelection and the redistricting in Texas. But we so appreciate you. Good, brother. You're one of our absolute favorites. From the very beginning of this show, you've been fighting the good. We've been talking about you and talking you up because you fight the good fight for the American people. Please tell me how you came to be standing with Major. Major. Jason. Mayor Watson. Sorry. Who was arrested and what do you know about what his status is as of now?
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Congressman Al Green
Well, thank you very much. I was called by someone that I've been working with for years now, and that is Jessica. Jessica Denson has a movement, the Impeach, Convict and Removal Movement. And she asked me if I would assist Major Watson in getting the Triangle. You have to have a member to get that area that they were in. And I consented, of course. I thought that anyone who wants to do something that's going to help the cause should be aided. Now, I did not initially think that this was the best idea because I was concerned about him. I was concerned about his 17 year career, concerned about his family. And by the way, I won't get into what his family is made up of. Because there are some very ugly people in this world. And if we start talking about his family, they may focus on them as opposed to him. So I was concerned about all of these things. But because I was informed that he had been given the admonitions necessary such that he should know what the consequences are. But he still wanted to proceed. So I agreed to help them get the Triangle. And when I got there, I was one of the many people who came to sort of witness this act of courage. Courage that we don't see uncommon. Courage, I might say. So I was there to witness this act of courage. And as I stood there, I started to think and reflect on a bygone era, on things that have happened that I'm aware of. Rosa Parks, I really. I reflected on Rosa Parks and what it was like for a black woman in a racist Southern town to take that seat on that bus, knowing that the consequences could be dire. They took her to jail. But in that city, it could have been much more than this in terms of the harm that might befall her. So I thought about her. I even thought about Dr. King in the Birmingham jail. You know, when you're Reflecting. And you're thinking, and you're looking at a person. Now, I'm not saying what he did is the equivalent of what Dr. King did or what Rosa Parks did, but I am saying that it was uncommon courage. And when he finished and he had given his great exposition about what should be done with the president and vice president, that's when it was made very clear to me that he was going to go over to the steps, and he wanted to go up the steps. Well, as a member of Congress, I can escort a person up the steps, and the consequences won't be the same as when the person goes up by himself to protest. I walked over with him. This was what he said he wanted to do. So I had to step away if he was to pursue his desires. So I did step away. But if I could have stood there with him, I would have. It would not have been the same, because he wanted to make it very clear that he was willing to suffer consequences, to make it known to the public that what the president is doing is unconstitutional. He went up those steps and he stood there with his son, and he was arrested. He has been since released from custody from the Capitol Police. But he's in the hands of the military. They don't say he's incommunicado, but he is under a gag order. And for me, that's pretty much the same thing. So we can't really communicate with him. I can't. If I could, I would. I'm going to do whatever I can to help him because of the uncommon courage. And I also will say this. He's inspired me. I've been thinking about doing something more, and I've been working with other people to get it done. John Boniface is a constitutional scholar that I've worked with, and we are talking about doing something more. We cannot allow this kind of behavior emanating from the presidency to be unchallenged. You don't have to wait until you can win to fight. If Dr. King had waited until he could win to fight, we might not be where we are today. If Rosa Parks had waited until she could win, we might not have had the integration of that bus line. You can't wait until you can win. You have to fight when the time suggests that wrong is manifesting itself and the right thing to do is fight. Dr. King said the time is always right to do what is right. So we're going to continue this fight. But I'm so proud of this man, and I regret the consequences that he was suffering. John Lewis and I, while incarcerated together, talked about how you have to be prepared to suffer the consequences when you do these kinds of acts of defiance. But the acts are righteous fights. And I live by this phraseology. On some issues, Joy, on some issues, it's better to stand alone than not stand at all. I commend him for what he's done. I'm gonna have a flag flown over the Capitol in his honor. I'm gonna present him with a certificate of congressional recognition. I have the authority to do that. I will do it regardless as to what others will.
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Joy Reid
The thing about. And I played a substantial part of his speech because I wanted people to hear the context. You're going to get maybe 30 seconds or 60 seconds on the mainstream media, if they play it at all, if they pay any attention to this story at all. But I wanted people to hear his case, if not in completion, but a lot of it, so that you could really understand where he was coming from. And as you said, that kind of courage does not get enough attention as we await the midterms for Democrats to do something. And you, sir, have demonstrated in your own act of courage when you stood up inside of the State of the Union that you don't necessarily have to wait until you have a voting majority to try to do something, to make a statement, to make a stand. And it concerns me, sir, that the Democratic Party, which I have grown up in, lacks that spirit other than a small number of you. And there seems to be a reticence to do anything now. And Democrats are simply waiting to get the gavels, and then they're going to do something, and then I'm not confident of what they're going to do. Do you know what they plan to do if and when they get the majority?
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Congressman Al Green
I cannot say that I do, but I can say this. I firmly believe, Joy, that some of us are liberated Democrats. Liberated, unbossed, unbought, unafraid. And I encourage liberated Democrats to do what you're doing, whether you acknowledge it or label yourself or style yourself as such. You are a liberated person. You speak truth to power, and you speak truth about power. You use the term mainstream media. We know who you're talking about. I use the term status quo media because they're not interested in really ending racism, for example. They want us to manage it. I want to end it so we're at odds with each other. And that's why I can come on your program and we can talk freely about these things. But the status quo media doesn't want to hear Me, they want to hear talking points that have almost been agreed to before you go on the program. Well, nobody knows what I'm going to say when they ask me on. So the reluctant to do this. And the point is this. I cannot tell you what others will do, but I can tell you what I will do before the end of this term. I will bring additional articles of impeachment because the president is a target rich environment. It's just not one thing you heard this Major go through, just a litany of things that we can give a focus to. We have to do this because it is the right thing for posterity. We want those who will look upon this time, when they look through the vista of time and they see us, they want to know that we were fighters. And there are some people not in my party who are calling the fight performative. This is just performative. And they talk about how they're being strategic. Well, I just don't know how strategic you can be when you see what's happening to your country, when you see what's happening to the people, when you see what's happening to the future that they're painting for us, when you have these people marching through the streets now again with masks on and in their regalia and they are people who are calling themselves white nationalists. Well, that's the KKK by another name. That's the White Citizens Council by another name. That's the all wrong alt right by another name. These are just thin veneers that hide hate. And we cannot allow this veneer to continue without piercing it and saying what it is and calling them out and doing the things necessary to fight them. It's not performative and it is not strategic to just say, well I'm going to wait. That's not strategic. That is avoiding the fight that we have before us and that we ought to engage in now. So I commend you, I thank you for what you're doing. I and I thank all of the people who are willing to have this uncommon courage to stand even when you have to stand alone. Just you've heard the song after you've done all you can, just stand, stand.
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Joy Reid
Amen. And I will note that he is a GoFundMe major Jason Watson. And we're going to put a link up to the GoFundMe for his family because you're right, there are costs and consequences to taking the stand that he did. And we hope and pray that more will follow because it is he, it is people like him who Donald Trump is Eager to send into a war that his own sons won't fight, that he won't send his own sons to, while he's reaping uncommon benefits from the presidency and enriching himself to the tune of $2 billion that he couldn't earn doing his actual profession being a real estate developer, he's suddenly just stealing it from his own supporters. And no one is doing anything about the emoluments clause is all out the window. But let's talk about whether or not this Congress can.
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Congressman Al Green
Sorry, sir, may I just say one word about what you just said about the monetary emoluments that he's according himself. Please, Joy. Everybody who invested in the meme coin invested in nothing.
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Joy Reid
That's right.
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Congressman Al Green
I have been saying this. Maxine Waters has been telling people this. And it takes the mainstream media, as you call it, the status quo media, as I identify them, when they're ready to say it, then it's okay. And it seems to give other Democrats and Republicans a license to speak. Well, we don't have to wait on the mainstream media to give us a license to tell people that they're investing in nothing because it's a Ponzi scheme. It is. It's built upon the greater food theory, the belief that although I'm buying a foolish thing, this is fatuous folly. There's a person who are willing to engage in fatuous folly at a higher price. That's what it is. And we've been telling people this, but now that the status quo media has decided that it's okay to talk about it, so you'll see more people talking about it now. But Maxine Waters and avant garde politician, we have been trying to get this message across and I thank you for just embracing it briefly. And I'm sorry that I, I interrupted you.
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Joy Reid
No, no, no, please. I am here to listen to you and avail myself of your wisdom, sir. No, I mean, the reality is Donald Trump paid those people who performed at the UFC extravaganza of violence and insult to Michelle Obama in crypto coin, which is no money, meaning all of those fools perform for free. So when that crypto, the value of it crashes, those fools will found out they worked for free.
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Congressman Al Green
Free.
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Joy Reid
And so what's happening is they have invented their own money and they pay their foolish friends and supporters in that fake money. They're not even wise enough to demand real money. They're scamming their own friends. And as you said, we'll just go ahead and call them that. The status quo media acts as if this is totally normal, and they're now asking questions about it, not because you said it or because Congressman Maxine Waters is an expert, she's a chairwoman of a committee that literally oversees that, they don't wanna know what she has to say. It's because MAGA fans are upset. MAGA fans are now complaining. Donald Trump's supporters are complaining. So now it's a story.
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Congressman Al Green
Well, I'm proud to sit on that committee with her. And at some point we need to have a greater discussion about this cryptocurrency and all of the, all of what it portends because you hit on something when you said creating their own money, you know, it really is against the law to have another fiat currency. There's only one fiat currency in this country and there are laws against trying to privatize your own currency. There really are. But when the President of the United States is doing it, he legitimizes it. And then you've got a Supreme Court that backs him up. And I really shouldn't go that far. I'm getting for. But the point is there's so much to be said about what's happening here and I'm going to talk about it at my ALC event in September about this cryptocurrency and what's going on and what it really portends for the future.
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Joy Reid
Well, I would like to be at that and also have you on to talk about it because we have to get into a whole deep discussion on this. Before I let you go, sir, I do want to let you comment on this. I believe Pulitzer, future Pulitzer Prize winning image of the modern day clan sitting on a Metro car with a black woman who, you put this in black and white, this could be 1950. But I would love to get your thoughts on this image and on what happened in Washington D.C. this weekend.
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Congressman Al Green
What happened in Washington D.C. is an abomination. People expect us to celebrate the Fourth of July, but a celebration without a commemoration is a detestation. Don't ask me to celebrate and you don't commemorate what happened to those people who worked for more than 240 years without a payday, who helped to build the roads and the bridges, planted the seeds, harvested the crop, had a hand in building the White House, had a hand in building the Capitol. They are the economic foundational mothers and fathers of this country. So if you're going to celebrate those that we refer to as founding fathers, not me personally, but those persons, then let's celebrate also the economic foundation of mothers and fathers, the Enslaved people whose lives were sacrificed to make America what it is today. And that is what I found to be offensive about celebrating the Fourth of July without a commemoration of those lives that were sacrificed. And then to have these persons storm out in the streets and then to take this bus ride with this. Looks like an innocent child in a sense, you know, almost a babe sitting there. Now I can only ask myself, what is she thinking? What does she feel? You know, if I were there, I would be questioning my safety, to be quite candid with you. But just to see this makes us hearken back to when we were trying to integrate schools. And you saw the mobs, the angry mobs that were just voicing their hate at a child trying to make her way through to a classroom. No harm being imposed. So here we are now with the latest Persian, the latest metamorphosis of the Klan, and they have this young person surrounded. It really is something that has the potential to become another example of how hate can surround you and how you have to sometimes endure that which you would not ordinarily want to. My hope is that she made it home safely. I assume as much, but I don't wish that upon anybody. Rosa Parks sitting on that bus, similar, her sitting there taking people to school, innocent babies. These are the kinds of pictures that will haunt us through the times that we live in and beyond.
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Joy Reid
They will haunt us indeed. Congressman. Congressman Al Green, thank you, sir, for all that you do. And we will see you in September because we want to follow up on what you're doing, and we're going to also keep up with your push. And you are alone in this, and I am sad about that as well, in this push to impeach this president again. He deserves it. Thank you, sir.
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Congressman Al Green
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Joy Reid
Thank you very much. And I'll tell you all when we go back and look in history, that photo, but also the photo of Representative Al Green holding up his cane and shaking it at that Congress. Those are going to go into history because the 2000s are the rebirth of the 1920s. It just is a fact. And remember, in the 1920s, those very same Klan who were marching mask on or mask off with their hoods on through the Capitol are the very same kinds of people who claimed that black men were rapists, but then would grab black men, women and children and lynch them in front of children. They would bring their children to lynchings. It was the most violent era in this country's history. These people murdered more than 4,000 black men, women and even pregnant Women and children throwing, forcing black boys to jump off of a bridge into ice cold water and drown. Shooting, killing, burning alive. Every manner of horror were meted out by the very people who now claim that black people are inherently violent and
- [100:15]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
that we should basically just be happy that you know, or leave.
- [100:20]
Joy Reid
I mean, these people, their core claim is that they can't live with black people because black people are inherently violent and inherently criminal. But they come from a tradition that is a tradition of skinning people alive and using the skin as leather to make furniture. Of consuming the bodies of black enslaved people and post slavery, of throwing little black babies, boys and girls into the river in order to draw out alligators and then calling it gator bait and then putting the murder on post coast guards. These are people who again, on a Sunday would go to church and then on Sunday evening go and lynch a child or a woman or a man and then shoot the body full of holes. And then the pieces of the body that fell on the ground, they would take them home as souvenirs. This is the most violent culture. It is the right, it is conservatism, it is right wingery. These people have always been the single most violent people in the country, and I would say in the world. These people are inherently, excruciatingly, extravagantly violent. And even when they're not doing violence, their thoughts are violent. They want to violently deport people who've been in the country for 25, 30, 40, 50 years simply because they cannot stand to hear Spanish spoken at cbs. That makes them so enraged. They see a Somali and they lose their natural mind. They can't stand the thought of immigrants thriving in their neighborhoods. They're so angry and mean that they don't think they should share a water fountain with a black person. But they think the same black person who shouldn't be able to drink from the water fountain should take her breast and stick it in the mouth of their baby and feed them like she's a cow giving milk. These people are insane. And they are the same people. Sorry, Jason. They're the same people. They're just 100 years later, what's the difference? And they're claiming that they have to do this, but do they themselves and their women from violence.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
But do they though? The point is, and I want to say this sister right here, I really wish we could track her down. Cause I'd love to interview her. Because I can say right now the fact that she's not sitting towards the trade window, she's sitting to see that she's sitting right now. She's literally like, try, just please try me. I mean, she's decent.
- [102:32]
Joy Reid
Look at her face.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
She's like, yo, listen, I don't care how I'm better than. This ain't. This ain't my grandmother. I will whoop that ass. At least try to. But she didn't move into the inside seat. She sitting right there. Brave. I give this is the all the respect in the world.
- [102:48]
Joy Reid
I think part of that seating is saying that seat's not available because if you move to the window, that seat next to you is available. And she made it quite clear that Hearst, that there was no second seat available on that bench. That. On that bench, it's going to be one person on the bench. She made it very clear. All she had to do was move over and. And one of them demons might have sat next to her. But she said, not today, Satan. Y' all clan like this like those little line from sinners. The same thing that I'm sure a lot of those security guards felt when all of those maga had to come and shelter inside the naming, inside the black Sony. And they were like, y' all clan, It's a sinner's moment. I'm telling you, that sister right there,
- [103:27]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
she gotta go to work. I ain't trying to play with y'.
- [103:29]
Bill Rhoden
All.
- [103:30]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
I got to get to work. Y' all been no devil.
- [103:32]
Joy Reid
No one's sitting next to me.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
She said, this is 20, 26. We can scrap. You know what I mean? We are modern day black folk.
- [103:39]
Joy Reid
And also the fact that I think the other thing that's arresting about this picture is here is a young woman, as the congressman says, she looks super young. She's there in her T shirt on a hot summer day sitting in the tram. And these fools are there dressed up in uniforms with masks over their faces. They got to be hot as hell. They sticking their noses out from under the mask, some of them, because they know they can't breathe. They probably halfway catching heat stroke, can barely understand. Like, they're not dressed for the weather, you know, and they're sitting there probably hot as hell, probably funky as I'll get out. And she said, you know what, though? All I know is at least one of y' all probably could have had a seat but won't, not today. You're not sitting next to me. And I think that's why she's sitting in that seat, because she's like, you are not. Not. I wish a motherfucker would. She said, you ain't Sitting next to me? Absolutely not. And I think that her, you know, clear defiance and strength in that moment of being surrounded by modern day clan, she said, I'm not moving. I'm not moving.
- [104:44]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
You could stand your ass up right there. This time you're gonna stand up and I'm gonna sit my ass down. Yes. There is a seat beside me, and you can't sit there.
- [104:51]
Joy Reid
You can't sit in it. Stand your ass up. Your clad ass up. And the thing about it is that these people, the reality is we all know that these cowardly men who claim that they're saving Western civilization, but have to do so from behind a mask because they know that they want to take off the mask, then finally be able to breathe, put on a suit and tie, and walk their asses into the OPM and get a job that used to be populated by a qualified black woman. They want so badly to have that woman's job. The idea of that a black woman or an Asian American man or an LGBTQ person or a woman had a federal job and benefits and healthcare, it makes them so angry that even if they're not qualified for it, they're like, that's my job. Cause I'm a white European man. Even if my name is Rousseau, and my people were not here in the founding of the country, they'd all popped over in the 20th century. They feel so entitled to the legacy of the American experiment. But if you took away all the people of color who they want to remove, number one, your soccer team wouldn't be shit because your main player is an immigrant. Your basketball teams wouldn't be shit because most of the players are black. Your football teams wouldn't be shit because most of the players are black. And this is not because of music of black people. It's because black people have fewer options as young people. The way out in a lot of, you know, the hood is sports. Sports is pushed on black people as a way to get out. You know, I wish we'd push more young black people to get out, you know, as a lawyer or a doctor, whatever, but that's expensive. Sports isn't. Is a way out. You can have a basketball. You don't need a lot of money to play basketball in the neighborhoods. They get really good. You know, if you're sitting in the, you know, suburbs and you can play hockey or, you know, do whatever, everyone's going to use their own means of trying to come up in the world. And there are a lot of young black men who spend a lot of Time playing ball. And they're really good at it, you know, same reason a lot of Eastern Europeans are good at basketball, because that's the only way to get out of, you know, Slovenia. They're like, I gotta get out of Slovenia. So they play ball and they're really good. And so that's just the reality. You built a country where one of the strongest paths out is sports, and then you're pissed off that all the good athletes are black. But what other lane did you leave them? What other lanes did you offer? They're gonna take the lane you offer. And because black people are formidable and very difficult to destroy, black people are going to thrive and survive and are going to be the best at whatever lane you give because you've left little choice. You've left little choice. And then when they take you up on it and they're greater than, you're pissed off. And these men would not want to live in the country they're trying to create. It's the fair that I was at this weekend. That was the Maga ideal world. And the Maga ideal world was dry. It was soulless. They had a hootenanny that even their own people wouldn't dance to. The poor guy was playing the fiddle with all his might, and no one was enjoying it. There was like one mom with a kid, but it seemed like she was more interested in standing under the shade, which is one of the only shady areas, was to stand there and listen to his stupid Ootanani. You had no soul. You had no flavor. You had a lot of security, a lot of barriers. Whoever owns that fencing company, they made a lot of money. They must have had a huge contract because it was all fenced in. The whole of dc, which is such a beautiful city, looked like a barricaded post war zone surrounded by gates and impossible to get near. This Freedom250 gate was all around it. The whole thing was just so sad that this is the 250th birthday of the. This is the 250th birthday of the country. The supposed richest, greatest country on earth. This is what we got.
- [108:31]
Congressman Al Green
This.
- [108:32]
Joy Reid
This was embarrassing. This was poorly planned. Clearly they didn't have a decent event planner. It was plasticky, cheap, poorly made. It was pathetic. It was as pathetic as maga. And it was full of religious signaling, weak, weird virtue signaling from the Bible and just. It was just flavorless. It was unseasoned. There was nothing about it that said to me it was celebration. Probably the best part of it was the Students who made art. And the art they made was that they said, let me big up women and indigenous people and black people. That's when students, when young people had their own choice. This is what they drew. But the rest of the whole fair, and this was the National Endowment for the Arts, I think, that did this contest. And look what the kids drew. The kids get it. The kids understand what makes America great. What makes America America. The rest of these people, they were out here on some fake, weird Bible crap. Can I show Jason the. I think this is D1, the pool. Can I show you? Can I show you guys the pool? I also went to the reflecting pool. Look at this. It's surrounded by fence. You can't go near it because they're afraid someone's going to touch it. And you can't really hear it because the sound is pretty low. And I wasn't trying to get real close to them, but the people next to me as I was filming this were, with it was a mother, a mother, father and two children. Young, sort of early teens. And they were telling their children that the reason they couldn't get close to the pool is because someone jumped in the pool and cut a 350 foot gash in it. They completely believed the propaganda. They believed it. The thing, it's. It looked pea soup. I said, it's like a bowl of peace soup. It's, it's sad that that's our reflecting pool. Now it looks like when you go to an old motel and the motel has a pool, but it's all covered in moss, it's so sad looking. And you walk down it and you can't get near it because the whole thing is surrounded by that barbed wire fence. That fence company made a mint this color. I mean, I don't even think my video really reflects it enough. It just looks like a sad bowl of pea soup. It looks sad and the whole district looks sad. Very, very sad. We're still trying to confirm this information about Mitch McConnell. There's lots of information that he is still hospitalized. Up to four hours ago, the New York Times was reporting that there have been few updates on his condition, but he was hospitalized way back on June 14th. June 14th. The most recent statement, per the New York Times from McConnell's office on Thursday, that the Senator appreciates the outpouring of support he's receiving while he continues his recovery in the hospital. Bullshit. Yet another person that should just resign. Let me also report on this Graham Platner News. Apparently Platner does have time to get out of the race. Platner could drop out of the race by July 13th. He has one week to do what he probably, I mean, not probably. This is what you need to do, you idiot. Now look, I was willing to, you know, let it go that you were a young man and you got a stupid tattoo and you were in a. You were a Marine and you didn't know no better. Fine. You had a good progressive message. I'm like, we can go ahead and roll with it. Let's just. I'm like, it's Maine's choice. It's not my choice. But if that's what they want, as long as you're not apac, good. But now, now you probably should just probably take advantage of the one week you have left. But here's the challenge. The Republic, the Democratic Party leadership who are now calling for Graham Platner to drop out, they are, I'm sure, teeing up an APAC candidate to replace him. The idea is that now Chuck Schumer, I suppose, would like to weigh in heavily on who gets to replace Graham Platner. And you can best believe AIPAC is looking for a stooge that will go in there and do their bidding. And so if you are a progressive in Maine, you need to, you got one week to find a progressive candidate that does not take PAC money and that is not going to continue to deliver Maine the votes of the United States Senate in Maine to more bombs and not enough health care.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
You got to be another Kamala Harris. You got like 107 days.
- [113:07]
Joy Reid
You got 100. You got seven days. Not forget the hundred. You got seven days. Democrats need to flip this seat. Let me also note that Valerie McMorrow has dropped out in the Michigan Senate race. Abdullah Sayed, who was already leading in the primary, he was, he had about 33% of the vote. Valerie McMorra, who actually was pretty great, she came up as the, one of the loudest voices fighting against this so called Education secretary and all the bullshit they're doing. She's dropped out. She only had about 7.7% of the vote. He had about 35%. There's a third person named Haley Stevens who's a sitting congresswoman. She is the AIPAC choice. So AIPAC, which has put millions of dollars, about $16 million APAC has put in to try to not have Abdul Al Said be the nominee. They're mad at him because he has not affirmed this thing that is only asked about Israel. No one ever asked this about Sweden or the United States or Any of the rest of them whether or not Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state. And he answered, I think the most logical answer, it exists. Israel exists. The question is whether or not we want a politics where our money is sent over to Israel to do genocide and apartheid instead of investing in our own kids. This is not a crazy answer. I think it's the right answer. No state has the right to exist. States exist. They exist through force. As Ta Nehisi Coates has said, asking whether a state has a right to exist is a stupid question.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
Joy, real quick. Right, I'm seeing some comments in here. People are saying Planter should stay in. I know it's kind of late, too late.
- [114:39]
Joy Reid
The reality is, well, I mean, look, if he. Look, this is, this is where we have the grown up conversation.
- [114:44]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
And I don't want to say that seven days.
- [114:45]
Joy Reid
But it's clear, clear that the people who oppose Platner and it would not surprise.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
I don't want to get them bastards a win. I'm dead.
- [114:52]
Joy Reid
But what I'm saying is they're going to keep throwing more of this. They're going to be women coming out the woodwork making these allegations. They're going to keep doing it until he either loses to Susan Collins, who by the way, voted to confirm Kavanaugh. So there's not a lot of righteousness on the Republican side. That woman voted to affirm to send Brett Kavanaugh to a lifetime seat on the Supreme Court despite the fact that he was credibly accused of sexually assaulting a high school classmate and had other women during his college years make similar allegations. She didn't have a problem with that. So she's not going to be able to say a whole hell of a lot. If Graham Platner is the nominee, she better not say a whole hell of a lot because it's like, excuse me, ma', am, you didn't have a problem with Kavanaugh? Talk to us about Kavanaugh and then you can talk about platinum. So he could really literally say that. Right. And does the DNC know how to vet candidates? Clearly not. And this wouldn't be the dnc, but also the dscc, the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, do they vet anybody? Clearly not. Or even as a D trip because what's his name was in there. Sorry, Jason.
- [116:00]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
No, I'm just saying, I mean, if Bernie Sanders backs away and if a couple of these other people like him back away, then you know, the writings on the wall, he's got to go. But I'm torn on this because I personally think he should stay in a run.
- [116:12]
Joy Reid
You think? I mean, the reality is, I'm saying as a matter of pragmatic.
- [116:16]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
No, I get what you're saying, and I don't want to be that guy saying that, but I just think you should just stay.
- [116:21]
Joy Reid
It's up to. It's up to Maine, to me. But here's the thing. Here's what I'm going to tell you all Democrats. If that fool stays in, I don't want to hear another word about it. Beat that heifer on the other side. Stop bitching and moaning about it. Y' all either keep them and stop bitching about it and put your head down and run through the damn tape or he gets out now while Democrats have time to find somebody else that can run without having all of this baggage.
- [116:51]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
But if you have an ancient, it's going to be an APAC person. They don't have enough time. It's going to be an APAC person. If somebody's not in a race now, they don't have time. And the easiest person to do, APAC said, we got a whole bunch of people we can put in that spot.
- [117:05]
Joy Reid
They. Well, they have. I think if AIPAC can come up with someone, so can the progressive. If you got. If there's somebody, and I don't know Maine politics well enough to know who that might be. But there. You cannot tell me that this is the only progressive available that doesn't take PAC money and is not going to be beholden to Israel and literally trust
- [117:26]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
Chuck Schuman of the.
- [117:28]
Joy Reid
Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I do not trust Chuck Schumer to pick. I do not trust the dsp.
- [117:33]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
So who else is going to pick?
- [117:34]
Joy Reid
I do not trust them at all. I think the progressives in Maine, the same people who picked him, need to tell us who your Plan B was. I hope y' all had a Plan B like they did in California when they were. Eric Swalwell was your Plan A. Y' all didn't have a plan B. So look, y' all didn't. Y' all weren't even ready for that. So y' all need to be ready. Y' all not vetting these damn candidates. What's wrong with y'?
- [117:53]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
All?
- [117:53]
Joy Reid
Let's do one more story. This is. So we're going to keep an eye on the Mitch McConnell situation. We're going to keep an eye on the Maine situation. Well, we're going to have a thick show on Wednesday, y'.
- [118:02]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
All.
- [118:02]
Joy Reid
We gotta. They said, does Mom Donnie know. Good call, Mom Donnie ask him, does he have any friends in Maine? Does mom Donnie know anybody in Maine? Because clearly he's the only one who know how to pick candidates. It's so sad. Democrats are going to find a way to F up the midterms.
- [118:19]
Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
Don't they always?
- [118:20]
Joy Reid
They going to find a way to F it up every single time somebody said, this is some Manchurian candidate mess. I'm starting to wonder about that. Rena. Rena Wiley says it's a mention. It's almost like these Democrats are running deliberately to undermine the ability of the party to win. It's almost like deliberate at this point. My God. Stephen King. Hey, can Stephen King step in? That's what I'm talking about. See, that's the kind of thinking Wonder doggy has come up with a great idea. That is what needs to happen. If Stephen King, who is maybe the most famous person from Maine, one of the few people that any of us even know from Maine. Stephen King, this is your moment. You need to step up and save your country. You only have to serve one term, buddy. You serve one term. I don't know how old Stephen King is, but, brother, it's time for you to step forward. You have the fame, you have the name. Id you alone, sir, could step in and in seven days be able to ramp up to be the nominee who would absolutely be beat? Susan Collins, a thousand percent. Stephen King is an absolutely great choice. Good on the issues, good on the morals. Hates Donald Trump, baby. Who. Who got Stephen King number? Stephen King. Let's go. This is it. You know what I love Jason about the Joy Reid show, fam. They some smart cookies, man. Y' all be coming up with some good stuff. Who else is from Maine that y' all know? Who else is from. But Stephen King is probably the most famous person from Maine that I know. I don't know anybody else that's famous from Maine. Do y' all famous Mainers? Famous people from Maine? Is Ken Griffey Jr. From Maine? No, no, no, no. Famous people from Maine. Sorry. I put Mainers and they put Mariners in thing. Famous people from Maine. Stephen King, actress Anna Kendrick, Judd Nelson, Patrick Dempsey, and famed poet Lockwell's dead, y'.
- [120:24]
Bill Rhoden
All.
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Joy Reid
Please, please give me living people. The most famous person from Maine is Stephen King. We gotta go with King. Somebody is saying Heather. Heather Cox Richardson is Heather Cox Richardson from Maine. I don't. I don't know about that. I just know that I'm going with Stephen King in this moment. Look at the chat. Says look at the chat. His son, Joe Hill is a writer, too. Anna. Anna Kendrick, girl crush, Anna Kendrick. Jason, you heard of Anna Kendrick?
- [120:52]
Congressman Al Green
Actress?
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
Can't say I have probably seen it.
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Joy Reid
You know, actress. She is a actress and singer and director known for her comedic timing and versatility. She's been in the Twilight series, the Pitch Perfect movies, and she is from Portland, Maine. She's 40 years old. All right, y', all, Anna Kendrick is our other option. Anna Kendrick made Obama laugh hysterically.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
Let's get our. Let's get our people. Send us some letters and recruits.
- [121:18]
Joy Reid
Look, let me tell y', all, in literally five minutes on this show, just going from the chat alone, we did a better job picking candidates than the Democratic Party of Maine or the National Democratic Party did in a year. What's wrong with this party? We just literally workshopped two better candidates than any of the people that ran. Anna Kendrick, she's got some heat on her in the chat. Heather Cox Richardson. I think we someone need to get in touch with her. We're going to reach out to her and I think it's time to activate the Team TJRS option. We are going to reach out. We're going to try to get in touch with both Heather Cox Richardson and with Stephen King. And one of the two of them got seven days to get in this damn race. And we don't want to hear Chuck Schumer's vote. We don't want to hear Apex vote. We don't care about either of them. We don't want to hear either of them. And now let's go to Michigan. Listen, y', all, Abdul El Sayed is your candidate. Forget the other lady. Get behind Abdul El Sayed. He's a good candidate, strong candidate. The medical doctor. He cares about people in the state of Michigan having good health care. That's your candidate. I think we need to put together a slate, Jason. I think we need a TJRS slate. Let me know what y' all think. I think we need a slate. We need to post it of the candidates we like all throughout the country because we. I not Adam Sandler. He's a right winger, guys. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not Adam Sandler is a right winner. No. All right, we're going to go. Before we go, I'm going to let you guys know that we are going to follow up on Wednesday on this awful story of Nolan Wells. This teen, Nolan Wells, young black kid, Nolan Xavier Wells, who has been found dead. His body was found. This is an 18 year old boy just a child, a teenager who went missing on the 4th of July. He was the only black kid hanging out with a group of friends and he went missing. His body was found at around 8:45am by a park ranger. Match Wells description. His mother has put out a statement thanking the community, their friends, the Cajun Navy and local law enforcement and everyone for their love and support and resources. My heart is broken, she says, for my sweet son who was always willing to cheer up and uplift others. She said Nolan was a special soul. God took his time creating our son and ask that you give me and my family time to grieve. This is one of the hardest. This is horrible. Horrible. So sorry. Deepest, deepest condolences to this family. Their beautiful son is gone. We will follow up on that. That is very sad. I think we desperately need a moment of joy. Winsome picked this one, so introducing the Fishing Village Cats. They are so cute. I feel like I'm probably just giving Jackie Reed ideas though. You're not allowed to have any fishing village cats. Ms. Jackie Reed. Thank you all for watching. We'll see you guys on Read this. Read that tomorrow at 3pm but and on Wednesday night. Same here, same bat time, same bat channel right here on the Joy Reed Show. Wishing you all well. And workshop some more ideas for Maine peace.
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Jason (Joy Reid's producer or co-host)
Get those ideas together.
- [125:09]
Joy Reid
Keep those ideas together. See you on Wednesday. Peace, peace.
- [125:11]
Congressman Al Green
Bye.
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Bill Rhoden
Getting back to the basics. Grassroot level Let me dig a little deeper with the shovel Plenty can't tell the fort is from the trees that I'm hard to detect Like a black hole in a dark injustice anywhere It's a threat to justice everywhere Let me make this clear I got a bone to pick and I'll never fear the threat of poverty they don't want to talk about it they rap the party so I'm a real talk about it for show.