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Joy Reid
Let'S talk about the View. You're on with the View. Your soror, your sorority sister, Sunny Halston, asks you the question. There's one thing you did not write about that I was waiting and turning the pages to try to get to. To take us inside that car ride. Because, you know, you obviously have been a sitting vice president. You know what the role is, the person inheriting it. You talk about J.D. vance, that weird moment when he was like, I want to insp my new plane.
Narrator/Host
Hello, everyone, and welcome to a special edition of the Joy Reid Show. We appreciate you whether you are listening and watching on YouTube or Spotify or substack or wherever you get your podcasts. In her Blockbuster New book, 107 Days, former Vice President Kamala Harris recounts her brief and historic run for president in a race where the stakes were nothing less than our democracy. She tells some truths that have caused no short of controversy. That she didn't choose Pete Buttigieg as her running mate, even though he was her first choice, because it seemed unlikely that America would vote to put a black woman with a Jewish husband and a married gay man as vice president in the White House. That the Obamas really didn't hesitate to endorse her, as many people assume that they just timed their announcement that she didn't actually decline to go on the Joe Rogan podcast and that she. He seems to have lied about the circumstances surrounding that. And that when she got that call from President Biden saying he was no longer running for reelection and that he was endorsing her, lots of major Democrats took her calls seeking their support. But one, Gavin Newsom, never called her back. But it's the truth she tells about Joe Biden, Jill Biden, and the Biden White House that have really caused a stir. And that's where we started when the Joy Reid show team headed to Los Angeles to sit down with Vice President Harris to interview her about the book. Here's that interview.
Joy Reid
Madam Vice President. I cannot stop calling you Madam Vice President. I'm so used to calling you that. How are you? It's a loaded question.
Kamala Harris
Well, Joy, I'm very well. It's good to be with you.
Joy Reid
Thank you so much. So this was a read. You got really vulnerable in this book. You told a lot of truths, and you mentioned that you really did not start really processing what happened in the election until you started writing the book. Talk about that process.
Kamala Harris
Well, you know, it was very difficult to write this book because I am very task oriented. So those 107 days and then the days after, remember, included January 6th and certifying the election. It included January 20th, the inauguration, moving out of D.C. and all that. And then the fires were happening here. It really wasn't until I got home that I just began a very slow and difficult process of reflection because, you know, during the campaign, it was, okay, that's done, that's done. Next thing, next thing, that's done. You're doing the work, doing the work, eye on what we need to get done, not no time to look backward. And in reflecting on the 107 days, it was about reconstructing in my mind the joy, the pain, the challenge, and most of all, the stakes. You know, that that's what really, whenever I have any feelings about in particular the motivation for me during those days and how I felt after the election, it really is, it's always grounded in just the stakes are so high, as we know in our now living. Right.
Joy Reid
Yeah. And, you know, one of the other themes I think that goes through this book, that struck me, you know, and it's interesting. It struck me in the same way that when I read Prince Harry's book, it struck me this question of loyalty and loyalty that sometimes doesn't feel like it's returned. This theme for me kept coming up as I'm reading the book. So I want to take you back to the debate, the Biden debate that we all lived through when we watched, and I think people were shocked by his performance afterwards. You came on with us at msnbc, you went on cnn and you were.
Narrator/Host
You were a loyal soldier.
Joy Reid
You defended his ability to be president. You were defensive of him. That loyalty to me, in reading this book, you seem to be unpacking that it was not returned, that you did not receive the same loyalty from Biden world that you gave. You talk about Jill Biden not seeming to forgive you for an answer you gave authentically about your experience with busing.
Joy Reid (as herself in a statement)
We, we have also heard, and I'm going to now direct this at Vice President Biden. I do not believe you are a racist. And I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground. But I also believe, and it is personal and I was actually very, it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States seniors senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country. And it was not only that, but you also worked with them to oppose busing. And, you know, there was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her Public schools and she was bused to school every day and that little girl was me.
Joy Reid
About you constantly having your loyalty challenged, about, you know, even your husband being, you know, being asked, are you all loyal? And you know that weird phone call from President Biden before your debate. Do you, when you unpack the results of this election, do you feel that your loyalty to the president was returned? And do you feel that your loyalty, to a fault, cost you the election?
Kamala Harris
This book is not about Joe Biden. It's actually not about my vice presidency, where and when I talk about it. It's to contextualize the 107 days this book really is about. I mean, think about this joy. One of the reasons I wrote this book, it was a historic race. You know, it actually some have said to me, and I think it's right, I intended it really reads as a political thriller that is nonfiction. A president of the United States running for reelection three and a half months from the election decides not to run. The sitting vice president takes up the race against a former president of the United States with 107 days to go. And that's what the book is about. It's about what that experience was. It was an experience of meeting extraordinary people from around our country in all different places. People coming to our events from all different walks of life, seeing themselves in each other. It's about, yes, disappointments. It's about the stress of it, the pace of it. You know, you're right. I am very candid in the book and I guess vulnerable in the way that I talk about, including the strain I put on my marriage and again, the pains and the joy of the entire process. And part of what I hope people take away from this book is one to remind us of what happened, but to do it in a way that we can contextualize where we are now and where we need to go.
Joy Reid
But the reason I think that people are going to focus on some of the truths that you tell about your relationship with Biden world with the White House, even though you're right, it's not about him.
Kamala Harris
It's not.
Joy Reid
It's not about Joe Biden or any of that.
Kamala Harris
No.
Joy Reid
But in a world in which you are allowed to shine, which is why I compared it to the Prince Harry book. In a world in which the idea that is if you shine as vice president, he is dimmed. In a world in which if your accomplishments are elevated, it somehow is seen as diminishing his accomplishments, that makes that 107 days harder. In a world in which you are allowed to shine throughout that previous three and a half years. The 107 days gets easier. So, I mean, that's the piece I think, that people are going to confront, that you were held back as vice president and he didn't seem to have the loyalty of the White House.
Kamala Harris
The point that I can't emphasize enough, and it was part of the frustration, frankly, during the 107 days, I wasn't running against Joe Biden. I was running against Donald Trump. And when I think about, in particular, what is most important about what I share of those days and my experience, one of them is understanding that in a race where the seated vice president was running against a former president who had been running for 10 years, since 2015, when he came down that escalator. And when I reflect on those 107 days and everything that we knew and highlighted about what Donald Trump was saying, both the promises that he made to so many people and did not keep, such as bringing down the cost of food and anything else, to the promises that he made that he did keep inured to his personal benefit, including weaponizing the Department of Justice, silencing the media, militarizing the streets of America. Those are part of what I hope people take away in terms of remembering that they told us what they were going to do and we've got to hear them when they speak and understand the elections coming up in the midterms or beyond. We better pay attention to what those 107 days taught us about where things are headed.
Joy Reid
Well, and to that, I'm going to ask you a quick News of the Day question, because we just did see Jimmy Kimmel suspended, really, for a joke that was about Donald Trump, if we're being honest. If you just play the tape back, we saw what happened with Karen Attie at the Washington Post. It feels like the media is collapsing. Right? That feels like one of the consequences.
Kamala Harris
Well, yes. What they have done is they are using fear and the threat of. Of fear to silence their critics. Can you imagine joy in America that we have a president of the United States who is using the bully pulpit of president of the United States not to focus on bringing down the cost of food, not focusing on bringing down unemployment, which is on the rise under his leadership, not bringing down inflation, which is under the rise of. In his leadership, but instead attacking media, attacking a satirist in Jimmy Kimmel for criticizing him and the capitulation that has resulted? I talk about this, people say, I'm reluctant to really use the words, I told you So I think they're awful words to ever have to use. I really do. Like, if you're ever in a position of having to say that that's a bad situation to be in.
Joy Reid
But you kind of told us it's.
Kamala Harris
But it's a bad situation to be in, more importantly. Right. And the fact is that he told us what he would do, and he is doing it. And I predicted almost everything that has happened except the capitulation. Yes. I'm a former prosecutor. I am a devout public servant. I chose not to live a life in a career that is in the private sector. But I've always worked closely with the private sector and business leaders. And I have always believed that ultimately, though the mission may be different, that they would be among the guardians of our democracy, especially when you're talking about freedom of speech. And the level of my disappointment with what we have seen in terms of the failure to stand up in the face of this. This frontal assault on basics of our democracy, like freedom of speech, the freedom of journalists to write based on opinion or fact and do it without being fired is extraordinary.
Joy Reid
Well, and I think that that is the reason that, you know, to the point that you're making about this book, that the stakes were so high.
Kamala Harris
Yes.
Joy Reid
And you say you were not running against Joe Biden, but in a sense, I mean, you write that David Plouffe leveled with you and said, in a way, you kind of are. Right. You kind of are because of the sort of deep, angry feelings people had about President Biden. I want to talk about a couple of instances in which that advice sort of played out. As you write in the book. Let's talk about the View. You're on with the View. Your soror, your sorority sister, Sunny Hostin, asks you the question, if anything, would.
Kamala Harris
You have done something differently than President.
Joy Reid
Biden during the past four years?
Kamala Harris
There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of. And I've been a part of most of the decisions that have had impact.
Joy Reid (as herself in a statement)
Listen, I plan on having a Republican in my Cabinet.
Kamala Harris
Oh, I got a list. Yes. Right.
Joy Reid (as herself in a statement)
You asked me, what's the difference between.
Kamala Harris
Joe Biden and me? Well, that will be one of the differences.
Joy Reid (as herself in a statement)
I'm going to have a Republican in.
Kamala Harris
My Cabinet because I don't feel burdened.
Joy Reid (as herself in a statement)
By letting pride get in the way.
Kamala Harris
Of a good idea.
Joy Reid
How would a Kamala Harris presidency be different from Joe Biden? You write, and this is one of my favorite lines from the book, you say, as a prosecutor, there's the closing argument. You intend to give.
Kamala Harris
Right.
Joy Reid
There's the closing argument you were gonna.
Narrator/Host
You gave.
Kamala Harris
There's the. So three. Every prosecutor, every lawyer has three closing arguments. The one you prepare to give, the one you give, and the one you should have given.
Joy Reid
Right, so talk about what. What was the closing argument you should have given?
Kamala Harris
Well, first of all, you're right that I do talk a lot about the things that I have reflected on and I regret in terms of I know that I should have done better and I should have answered that question better. And I should have answered that question better for a number of reasons. Part of the problem is I really did not fully embrace the reality of how people felt. And I should have. I felt without being defensive. I felt that to answer the question would be to require that I criticize the president, Joe Biden. And I wasn't running against Joe Biden. I should have understood where people are, and I should have dealt with that differently, which means deal with. And I also thought, by the way, the differences were so obvious. So I also didn't understand that, but I should have articulated it. Right. We are of a different generation, different background, different life experiences. I'll tell you, part of that perhaps led to one of the differences in terms of, as I reflect on it, how I would have done things differently around, for example, our build back better strategy and CHIPS act and doing all that. When I really thought that we should have started with affordable child care and paid family leave to get immediate relief to people. So they felt it right away. And I should have talked about that. I didn't. But bottom line is, because I was coming from a perspective of not acknowledging how people felt, but also being very clear that I was running against Donald Trump. And we needed to talk about what that would mean. And now we are seeing what that has meant.
Joy Reid
You know, I feel like what you're articulating is this sense that. And I think a lot of times people who are more on the progressive side sort of make the presumption that people can see this. Right?
Kamala Harris
Yeah, you're right.
Joy Reid
And so in that case, you had David Plouffe literally saying to you, people hate Joe Biden. And you've got to get that through your head after that incident, right? And there was another instance. I mean, there was, you know, Donald Trump going to NABJ and saying you weren't black. Which, you know, I think for as a black woman, you're like, come on, people, I'm an A.K.A. you're an A.K.A. you're like, you're an A.K.A come on.
Kamala Harris
I was born black. I'm a die black.
Joy Reid
Right. But I mean was there too much of a presumption that people understood that that conversation continued to happen inside of the black communities? You were in community talking about, do you feel like maybe just not assuming that people understood your background, your background as a daughter of immigrants, your background as a black woman, that maybe. You know what, let me just go ahead and explain this.
Kamala Harris
Well, as I have written about, I believe very strongly that we have to understand who Donald Trump is. And I talk extensively, for example about what I did to prepare for my debate against Donald Trump. Kamala Harris have a good debate. The point there is he spends full time trying to distract American politics today.
Donald Trump Supporter/Commentator
Is between these far left fascists led by Harris and her group. We have a fascist person running who's incompetent. She's a Marxist, communist, fascist, socialist. She's not actually a socialist. She's gone past that. Somebody's got to explain this woman. This is a radical left, Marxist, communist, fascist.
Kamala Harris
And I was not about to fall prey to the thing he has done continuously, whether it be Barack Obama or Nikki Haley. I was not going to fall into that trap because he didn't want to talk about the fact that he had no plan for the economy. And look, today that's again why we see him doing everything he can to help billionaires on the back of working people. What's going to happen in terms of cutting Medicaid, getting rid of and trying to get rid of the Department of Education, which is about school lunches, about Head Start firing scientists, basically a war on ending a war on cancer.
Joy Reid
But people didn't believe he was going to do that. They just believed he was going to send them checks.
Kamala Harris
And he lied to them. And he lied to them and we told them he would lie to them, but they believed him. And I think now there are plenty of people who are seeing that he made a lot of promises he's not kept. And that's reality.
Narrator/Host
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Joy Reid
I mean, and another issue where I think that was the same sort of issue is that, you know, you, you talk a lot about these protests that would happen when you were in these rallies that were otherwise incredibly joyful. You would get these protesters who were pro Palestinian protesters. You talked about reacting to them.
Kamala Harris
But if you want Donald Trump to win, then say that. Otherwise, I'm speaking.
Joy Reid
You had one line about the convention decision not to put a Palestinian American journalist on stage. When you look at that, was this an instance in which you were not unpacking people's sort of real rage and real feelings about that? And now that you've had the United nations, you know, organization confirm that it is a genocide, that Israel is committing genocide, do you go back and relook at your reaction to those protests and to putting that person, not putting that person on stage?
Kamala Harris
So, first of all, what's happening in Gaza right now breaks my heart. And it has been breaking my heart, as you know, a year and a half ago when I was vice president, I was the first one, the highest member of our administration to use the word starvation.
Joy Reid
And the White House was not happy with you.
Kamala Harris
They were not happy with me. I've been concerned throughout what is happening around the treatment of Palestinian civilians, children. What has been happening in terms of the disproportionate and brutal response. And, you know, one of the things, in terms of my reflections, you know, I think we should have, you know, the United States of America. We have, as the United States of America, great strength and power. And we had tools and levers that I think we did not exercise. And, you know, what's happening there right now is tragic. It's tragic.
Joy Reid
You write in the book that President Biden had a difficulty showing empathy toward Palestinians. And so, I mean, for you, there are people who say, well, it wouldn't have been any different that Bibi Netanyahu would still be invited to the United States either way. What would have been different? Would a Bibi Netanyahu be welcome in the United States if he were president?
Kamala Harris
Okay, let's be really clear, honestly. Okay. And level said, yeah, Donald Trump. Donald Trump has given carte blanche to the Israeli government to do exactly what it is doing right now. And that is a reality. The reality is that Donald Trump is allowing Bibi Netanyahu to do exactly what he is doing without any consequence or level of accountability. Period.
Joy Reid
Let's talk about.
Narrator/Host
You go on in the book.
Joy Reid
As you said, it's 107 days of election. And then you talk about this process of having to do the peaceful transfer of power and why you felt you were committed to do it. There were a couple of stories that were really, to me, very, very interesting. There was the phone call with Donald Trump. There were a couple phone calls that you described, these odd calls in which he sort of Jekyll to hide what was going on there. What do you, what do you make of his weird niceness towards you or what was it? What, what do you call it?
Kamala Harris
I have spent a lot of time making sure I do not try and get in the head of Donald Trump.
Joy Reid
Probably a safe place to stay.
Kamala Harris
So I don't know what was going on in his head. I know what I experienced and that's what I, that's what I talk about. I mean, there's a lot about this book that really is just. These are just the facts.
Joy Reid
This is just what happened.
Kamala Harris
Yeah, this is just what happened.
Joy Reid
There's one thing you did not write about that I was waiting and turning the pages to try to get to, to take us inside that car ride. Because, you know, you obviously have been a sitting vice president. You know what the role is, the person inheriting it. You talk about J.D. vance, that weird moment when he was like, I want to inspect my new plane. The sort of odd things. I mean, he insulted you in a way that I think a lot of black women will never get over. Four days before the election, calling you.
Narrator/Host
The trash two days, we are gonna take out Washington D.C. and the trash's name is Kamala Harris.
Joy Reid
He's married to a woman who shares the ethnicity of your mom.
Kamala Harris
Yeah.
Joy Reid
Can you take us inside? That ride, that very awkward ride with the Vance's, was there a conversation. Did he apologize to you? Did Usha Vance have anything to say to you?
Kamala Harris
J.D. vance is Vice President of the United States because Donald Trump is President of the United States States. And again, I talked about, even on the debate stage, Mike Pence is not here. Even you talk about the interviews that I did after the President Joe Biden's debate. And I said, of the two people running, one of them has the support of their vice president, one does not. There is a reason that J.D. vance is right now vice President of the United States with every point that you have made about him. And it's because Donald Trump is president in the United States and chose a vice president who would sign off on whatever he did that was about weaponizing the Department of Justice, about retribution against his political enemies, about releasing the January Sixers, silencing the media, lining his pockets. So let's be clear about what the issues are. And again, that's what I talk about in the book. We saw this all happening, Joy. We saw this all happening. And I think it's so critically important that going forward, we like, this is not just about gossip or like a really good story. It's about we have a history of people telling us what they were going to do and they did it. And going forward, let's hold on to the lessons about really paying attention to what they're saying or not saying to know that it'll play itself out to our detriment or our strength based on what we want.
Joy Reid
And the reason I ask you this question is I think that black women who read this book are going to read it in a different way, to be blunt. Right. They're going to see in it some of the things not being listened to. When we give a warning that turns out to be true, having our identities and our qualifications questioned. I mean, nobody questions whether what JD Vance does all day, but they would, you know, what does the Vice President do? He has time to go on podcasts. I think a lot of black women are insulted on your behalf. I'm gonna speak for myself. And if he did not apologize to you, we'll never forgive him for that moment. And if you did not say he apologized, I'm gonna take that as a no. And I think our feelings as black women will continue to be as they are about him and about Mrs. Vance. And so I think that is the reason I'm asking these questions. I think what maybe I don't know how much you unpack this. The black women were enraged for you. And so I think they're gonna see in these moments of disrespect, of not giving you back the loyalty that you got, their own experience, because black women were with you in the election and tried to get that outcome that you're talking about, you wanted. And so for you, have you gone there and said that had you not been a black woman saying these things were going to happen, maybe they would have heard me.
Kamala Harris
What I hope people take away from this book, including all the black women who are on that journey with me and praying for me and holding me up and pushing me out to make sure I would get out there and know that they were with me, is that they will see and remember. And see. In those days, we were very powerful, all of us together. And there is a great deal. This is the closest presidential election in the 21st century. Joey, we were running it in 107 days. The closest presidential election in the 21st century. I hope that part of what black women will take and anybody who reads this book, from this book and the reminder of what those days were is our power. And our power then, our power now, our power in the future. That's what I hope. I intend that this memory will empower people, not disempower people, but remind us of what we're up against, be clear eyed about it, and at the end of it, say, hey, we're still standing. We still got fight in us and we're still prepared to fight. Our spirit cannot be defeated. We will not allow that.
Joy Reid
Okay, final question. All right, I'm gonna read for a little bit. I'm gonna go right to the end here in my very, very much marked up book. Then we'll go to page 299. I'm gonna go really fast.
Narrator/Host
I'm gonna go really fast.
Joy Reid
You write in the book that you had to justify becoming a prosecutor to your family. You had to make the argument to them about why you were going to do it. And you said, I wanted to make change from inside the system. Today, I'm no longer sure about that. Because the system is failing us at every level. Executive, judicial, legislative, corporate, institutional, media. Every single guardrail that's supposed to protect our democracy is buckling. I thought the guardrails would be stronger. I was wrong. So in that case, what do you Advise that we do. You've been at the highest level of any woman, any black woman and woman of any race in this country's history, and yet you were still denied, as you said, by a hair.
Narrator/Host
And a lot of your.
Joy Reid
By the way, a lot of your supporters don't necessarily believe that it was a legitimate election, do you? 100%, I do believe it was. Okay, so then what do we do?
Kamala Harris
I will confess to you this might be a book of confessions in my. This interview. I will confess to you I do not have all the answers, Joy. I mean, part of my reflection is that I don't have all the answers, especially now. But I do. There are certain things I do know. And I do know that we can never give up the fight, and it is always worth it. And sometimes the fight takes time. I do know that we can never let them silence us because then they're winning. I do know the value and the power of our voices. I've seen it. I end the book by talking about that beautiful young student.
Joy Reid
Yeah.
Kamala Harris
Who wrote me a note that she passed on to me through my husband Doug. I'd never met her. She wrote this little note, and I was so inspired by what she wrote me, telling me I inspired her that sight unseen. She was so bold. She was so wonderful because I called her, because she left her number, and I was so moved by it. And she invited me to her graduation. And you know what? I went. I went. That was months after the election. And I just. Again, please, please, please let us remember our power to make a difference. And sometimes it's going to be the outcome of the election. Sometimes it's going to be a bunch of young men and women like that young woman whose graduate high school graduation I attended. Everything we do matters. Everything we do matters. Really does.
Joy Reid
And you think this country is going to survive this regime?
Kamala Harris
Only if we fight for the country we love. And I listen, that's another piece of this, which is I really want to remind people of the light that is in each of us, even in these moments of darkness. Especially in these moments of darkness. We have to remember the Nobody gives us our light. It's ours. So let's see it in ourselves. Let's see it in each other. It may be a little flicker right now because they're certainly trying to dim it, but don't let them extinguish our light. Right.
Joy Reid
Yeah. Well, you opened the book with Kendrick Lamarlon. I got loyalty, got royalty inside my DNA. So west coast, but so Africa. Thank you so much. You made history. And I hope that you feel and receive that because a lot of people are very proud of you. A lot of women are very proud of you and are very thankful for that 107 days.
Kamala Harris
Well, I'm very thankful to them because this was a journey we were all on together. And there, I mean, from my team, who I dedicate my book to, to, you know, my team, everyone, right. It was a collective effort. And we are not done.
Joy Reid
That's the key. Mark. We're not done.
Kamala Harris
We're not done.
Joy Reid
Vice president, Everybody's forever. Vice President Kamala Debbie Harris, thank you so much.
Kamala Harris
Thank you. Joanne Reed, thank you. Thank you.
Narrator/Host
Thanks so much to Vice President Kamala Harris and her team for sitting down with us in Cali and thank all of you for tuning in. Be sure to hit those like and subscribe subscribe buttons below to make sure that you don't miss a beat. More than 70% of people who watch and listen to content on YouTube watch but don't subscribe. But independent media can only thrive if you participate instead of lurking. Don't be a lurker. We're really proud to have landed this huge interview as an independent media channel ahead of some of the big dogs. So if you want to keep that momentum going, we need you to show us some love, show us some support. So, like, subscribe and share this episode. Thanks again to everyone listening on YouTube, Substack and Spotify. Also, big up to everybody in the chat. We will see you tomorrow night, same bat time, Same bat channel, 7:00pm Eastern, right here on the Joy Reach show.
Joy Reid
Bye. Bye.
Unknown Rapper/Poet
Getting back to the basics grassroot level Let me dig a little deeper with the shovel plenty can't tell the force from the trees and I'm hard to detect like a black hole in a job injustice anyway a threat to justice everywhere Let me make this clear I got a bone to pick and I'll never fear the threat of poverty they don't want to talk about it they rap the party so I'm a real talk about it for sure.
In this special episode, Joy-Ann Reid interviews former Vice President Kamala Harris about her bestselling memoir, "107 Days," which covers her unprecedented and historic presidential run after President Biden’s late withdrawal from the race. The discussion explores Harris’s personal journey, insights into her relationship with "Biden world," reflections on race, loyalty, the state of American democracy, and the unique pressures she faced as the first Black woman to be the frontrunner in a major party’s presidential race. The interview delivers intimate behind-the-scenes details, candid regrets, and tactical political analyses.
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The conversation is candid, urgent, and at times raw—reflecting disappointment, frustration, and moments of inspiration. Harris is both vulnerable and resolute, grappling with personal and national loss while rallying hope and collective power. Joy Reid provides a direct, empathetic, and incisive interview, ensuring the emotional stakes are clear, especially for Black women and other marginalized audiences.
This episode is an essential listen for anyone interested in the aftershocks of a pivotal election, the inside realities of the Democratic Party, and the lived experience of barrier-breaking leadership. Harris’s memoir and this interview serve as both warning and rallying cry: democracy is precarious, but “our spirit cannot be defeated.”