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Chicago'S northwest side expressing outrage tonight after federal agents once again deploy chemical agents against protesters this time it happened as parents and children were heading angelo's not available.
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Tear gas in old irving park right now our own neighborhood scaring our children chaos rocks a quiet northwest side neighborhood started hearing some whistles and when i looked out i saw two fully uniformed customs and border patrol agents tackling a guy to the ground literally in my front yard right here that man had been working construction on a nearby home when federal agents chased him down and took him into custody in the three thousand seven hundred block of north kildare his brother saying he's an undocumented immigrant who came to the us with his family at four years of age the out of here man within moments angry neighbors poured out of their homes joining protesters blowing whistles who'd been on patrol looking for federal agents i don't understand how you could think this way man scaring the children as angry residents shouted the federal agents began lobbing tear gas around nine fifty saturday morning that's just minutes before the scheduled start of an annual halloween parade organized by the older ving park association you had folks who were literally out on the street taking their kids to this halloween parade when this happened and i didn't see anybody with a weapon i didn't see anybody make physical contact with these agents i didn't see anybody do anything that justified for example taking my seven year old neighbor to the ground culp says his seventy year old neighbor was also taken into custody after about a half hour the agents got in their cars and drove away the halloween party was held but neighbors say many people stayed home kolp who's a former cook county prosecutor retrieved the chemical canisters and gave them to a law firm that is preparing a lawsuit against the federal government.
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I was pretty upset to be honest.
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With you i am an attorney i used to work with and in law enforcement and watching this happen in my front yard was just not something that i ever thought was gonna come to my front door but you know here.
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We are here we are so yeah welcome to trump america everybody where you have no voting rights and no civil rights but not to worry you won't have to hear foreign languages or foreign accents in the walmart or home depot because the masks secret police are tackling arresting and tear gassing anybody who isn't a white conservative and also taking four year olds to the ground in order to protect a local community from let me check my notes an undocumented immigrant with a good job who happened to have come to this country when he was four so of course that means he's a messed up criminal and he has to be protected the community has to be protected from him right and so while all of that mess is taking place your president is busy working on his new three hundred million dollars ballroom after bulldozing the entire east wing of the white house you're welcome he's also answering poorly framed questions from the media while on air force one about whether he plans to try for a third term and then saying yeah i mean sure of course i passed the cognitive test.
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They are good people well we have great people i don't have to get into that but we have one of them standing right here we have jd obviously the vice president is great i think marco's great i think i'm not sure if anybody would run against austin i think if they ever formed a group it would be unstoppable i really do i believe that i would love to do it i have my best numbers ever it's very terrible i have my best numbers if you read it am i not ruling it out you'll have to tell me all i can tell you is that we have a great a great group of people which they don't they have jasmine crockett a low iq person they have aoc's low iq you give her an iq test have her pass like the exams that i decided to take when i was at walter reed i took those are very hard they're really aptitude tests i guess in a certain way but they're cognitive tests let aoc go against trump let jasmine go against trump i don't think jasmine the first couple of questions are easy a tiger an elephant a giraffe you know when you get up to about five or six and then when you get up to ten and twenty and twenty five they couldn't come close to answering any of.
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Those questions okay so first of all don oh dementia dawn you do realize that cognitive test is what you take when people fear that you might have cognitive decline because you got dementia right those are dementia tests so aoc and jasmine crockett are like forty to fifty years too young to take that test that you took the fact that you're being asked whether you can recognize a picture of a giraffe or a cow that means that people worry that you might have dementia those young ladies that's not an iq test i don't think you know the difference between an iq test and a cognitive test they don't need to take those because they're not senior citizens who maybe have dementia you on the other hand have now been for your annual physical twice annual usually means once a year don okay just trying to help you out because you know obviously you're not super duper bright now by the way also the right question to have asked donald trump would not have been do you think he had really good healed to replace you it would have been the twenty second amendment says you can't serve a third term do you plan on defying the constitution that would have actually been a good question but the media you know you can't help them out they also did this thing on the white house where they tried to justify wrecking the east wing to build the what i have to call and i think everyone should call it the epstein ballroom because they're doing this while not releasing the epstein files so to build the epstein ballroom to justify it they put up on the white house website a history of presidents who've made renovations to the white house but in place of the democrats they just put crass defamation of the three most recent democratic presidents i'm not even gonna link to it just google it it's the most disrespectful stupid thing ever i'm actually working on a substack about it donald trump is a disrespectful ass and it's why i don't respect him i don't feel like i owe him any respect as he doesn't respect any previous president or the presidency so f him donald trump also has more people to add to his demand list for pamela joe to prosecute his named enemies he's not just demanding that the doj pay him a two hundred thirty million dollars bribe that he says he has the final say on paying which he played in our last show he also wants jack smith the special prosecutor prosecuted next now jack smith no shy guy has responded he's come out saying okay he wants to testify publicly house judiciary chair jim jordan the guy from ohio who may have looked the other way while there was a pedophile attacking the wrestlers that were under his care that guy has demanded that jack smith come and testify to his committee who but here's what jack smith said i'm not it's not on screen i'm just gonna read it to you he said given his lawyer put out a statement saying given the many mischaracterizations of mister smith's investigation into president trump's alleged mishandling of classified documents theft and role he said he didn't say theft i did and role in attempting to overturn the results of the twenty twenty election mister smith respectfully requests the opportunity to testify in open hearings before the house and senate judiciary committee that was the letter that his attorneys wrote to jordan smith's effort to appear publicly would require the blessing of ditting the justice department pamela joe would have to approve it and his attorneys have said he would also need guidance so that he doesn't violate any rules regarding grand jury secrecy because they were grand juries in that case he would also likely be asked to answer questions about the mar a lago investigation the special counsel's final report on that case has not yet been released the lawyer saying in addition to what i just read you that jack smith is prepared to answer questions about the special counsel investigation the prosecution and all of it but he needs assurances from the doj that he will not be punished for doing so meaning he would testify and then they would charge him with violating grand jury secrecy and charge him with a crime so all that is according to the hill so go ahead and add jack smith's name to letitia james indicted james comey the former fbi director indicted fani willis being investigated for taking a work junket because they just need something to try to prosecute her for adam smith threatened with indictment all on trump's hit list on truth social trump also demanded merrick garland mild merrick the mild he wants merrick the mild merrick garland indicted for i don't even know what he wants former justice department official lisa monaco who was in the national security side of he wants her indicted and many others and mainly regarding him being investigated for having ties to russia during his campaign he's also claiming that somebody rigged the twenty twenty election that he lost to joe biden he's also busy focusing on that and of course also the epstein ballroom and fuhrer bunker which has been funded by a couple dozen billionaires who are like forking over in some cases maybe twenty five ten to twenty five million dollars in gratitude for their permanent record breaking tax cut which was made permanent by the same republicans who refused to make your obamacare health care subsidies permanent and who are sending forty two million snap recipients into the food lines which you've already seen all over the dmv all over maryland and virginia because those benefits for snap actually run out on november first so if you get snap your benefits will come to a screeching halt within like a week and also republicans are allowing the health care benefits those subsidies for obamacare to expire on december thirty first but but in november that's when people start open enrollment so people are screwed for healthcare that's about twenty two million people about forty two million people who are screwed for snap including children but the super rich they got to keep their tax cut which was originally written to be temporary just like the obamacare subsidies but the billionaires get to have their tax cut be permanent but you don't get to have your subsidies be permanent i will also note that they are making sure they pay the military because trump is like i don't want a military coup let me go ahead and make sure these people get paid and i'm gonna talk in the second hour about some of the machinations to make sure the military gets paid but they've also accepted a one hundred thirty million dollars gift to pay the troops that was given by a billionaire named timothy mellon of the mellon family the mellon fortune and timothy mellon's already gotten the hookup from trump because he's one of the billionaires who got the record breaking tax cut by the way he used to live in connecticut but he moved to wyoming to escape state taxes as well so basically he doesn't pay taxes at all at this point trump and his republicans have already hooked him up so now he's trying to hook up the military this while thousands of federal workers have now officially missed their first paychecks that's about six hundred seventy thousand workers who've been furloughed and who may not get paid trump is threatening not to pay them at all according to a tally by the bipartisan policy center there's an additional seven hundred thirty thousand federal workers who right now are working without pay including tsa agents and maybe some air traffic controllers so they're not even getting paid so that's where we are in america we are in a situation where republicans and their king donald trump are defunding snap such that people will not be able to eat food this is right before thanksgiving they're allowing the health care premium support for obamacare meaning plussed up medicaid which is used by any small business not just by who you would think uses it obamacare is used by a lot of small businesses it's used by a lot of freelancers a lot of uber drivers people who have a small farm those people are all using obamacare right because that's the way to get affordable health care the premiums are about to spike and when those premiums spike everyone's premiums are gonna spike because insurance companies are gonna be able to just do bloodletting they're gonna be able to just do whatever they want we're gonna be in a free fire zone for insurance companies so your healthcare is gonna go up when snap goes away a lot of small groceries are gonna be in trouble companies like walmart and kraft you know kraft is one of the largest recipients of food of snap spending because macaroni and cheese is perhaps the most frequently bought it used to be the most frequently bought item when it comes to snap benefits because you can't spend snap benefits like cash you have to spend them on food i think i described in the last show it used to be there used to be a green food stamp and a blue food stamp and the blue food stamp you could spend on canned goods or any foods but the green you had to spend on produce or on farm products so that it was also a subsidy to farmers it's still a subsidy to american businesses and farmers because you spend all your snap benefits you don't get to like keep the change you just spend it all right and you spend it in stores one of the biggest supporters of snap aka food stamps walmart because a lot of people who live in communities that don't have a lot of grocery stores they go to walmart and they spend the snap benefits there and again you can't buy liquor with it you can't buy steak with it you can only buy the foodstuffs on a certain list so people who try to claim that people are out there living large buying t bone steak that's not true but now they're not gonna have that at all and i don't mean it's gonna be cut they're gonna not have it at all at all okay so that's going to go out the door on the first of november the subsidies for your healthcare are going to be gone by the end of the year of the thirty first and but the tax cuts for billionaires which were written to be temporary exactly like the obamacare subsidies both things were passed with an end date on them in order to make them fit the budget math it's magical washington budget making they make a budget they say i'm gonna spend this much money on healthcare but we're gonna expire it on this date and that's how they make it seem like it's more affordable they did that with the obamacare subsidies and they did that with the twenty seventeen tax cuts but the tax cuts have been made permanent but the health care subsidies are like now they have to expire or we have to negotiate about that why we're going to show you guys a chart a little bit when our guest gets here to just show you how egregious this is because the amount of money that was spent on the tax cuts versus the amount of money that's spent on those subsidies night and freaking day this is why i say that what's happening right now is the steal that we are the ones who need to stop the steal we on this side are the ones who need to stop the steal because they're stealing your money you pay taxes but you can't get it back if you're in need and get it back in food stamps you can't get back the subsidies farmers are getting those are going away they're selling away giving away farmers markets they're saying you don't have a market anymore for your beef if you're a cattle rancher we're giving that to venezuela we're giving forty billion of your tax dollars to venezuela stealing that to give to melaye so that he can get reelected and so that his party can get reelected in venezuela so trump's friends are hooked up they're letting oil companies drill in alaska they're going to probably get to drill in our national parks they get to run wild they get subsidies as well they're still got contracts that are still flowing to all the billionaires that had them before right elon musk all of them get accepted so they're getting money i just need you all to understand and wrap your mind around the fact that rich people in this country billionaires and billionaire corporations are eating who's not gonna be eating is you your rent's still gonna go up your mortgage is still gonna go up your interest rates are still high you still can't afford your housing and now if you are on snap you're not gonna be able to have any food but the billionaires are good and trump gets a three hundred million dollars epstein ballroom on top of his fuhrer bunker because you know they're renovating the bunker and they're making sure they pay the military so they don't have to worry about a military couple because if you go back to even places like iraq the way that the military turns on you is they ain't getting paid and so if you are an autocrat the one thing you better do is make sure the military gets paid that's a whole bunch of trained armed people you don't want them to be angry and broke but you whole different thing and by the way i will note that the way that the federal government paid the military is they kind of broke a law because they took some money from one pot that congress had passed for one purpose it was for research or something in the pentagon and shifted that money over to payroll and i'm glad the military folks are getting paid we want our military to get paid that wasn't legal but they've done it anyway to make sure that they get paid and they're going to accept this one hundred thirty million dollars gift from a billionaire which i don't know if that's legal either but they're going to do it so that they can get paid but they're not going to take the same extraordinary action to make sure that snap benefits happen one of our sources sent me some photos earlier which i will also put up on the substack of media people showing up in front of walmarts trying to interview people about whether they're gonna have food stamps next week so people already understand that people are about to be missing their food stamps that's happening that is coming that's coming it's stop the steal time stop the steal for real because the people who are actually stealing are republicans and trump stealing money to give to argentina that's your money stealing money to stuff permanent tax cuts into the pockets of every billionaire it's like a thousand people who got tax cuts but forty two million people are gonna lose snap twenty two million people are gonna lose their obamacare premium subsidies so those forty two million and those twenty two million nobody's supposed to care about them but those thousand that got the most extraordinary tax cut in history that's permanent and they get to keep that forever and they're looking to pass more tax cuts for them you you're not probably going to get that we have a good guess we're going to talk to when they get here y' all let me know when they're here but this is the reality that we're working from today they're also paying ice not only that but they canceled student loan forgiveness for you but you know who gets their student loans forgiven people who sign up for ice so let's just wrap our heads around that if you are willing to tackle brown and black people in the street and terrorize people at school parking lots in churches in hospitals ers if you're willing to march into immigration court and drag people out who are having a literal legitimate hearing if you're willing to do that you can get your student loans forgiven but if you want to be a teacher or you want to work with kids you want to you know you want to help you've gone to college for something else you want to be a college professor or business person you don't get your student loan forgiveness they cancel that but they if you stand up for ice they get their student loans forgiven they're still also getting paid so why don't just we just want to notice who is being favored and who is not who is getting favor and who is not the king's people get favor the king's billionaire friends and by the way you're also paying for what they did to the east wing of the white house you do know that right the money that they took are getting from these billionaires is for construction but the destruction of that building i'm gonna assume we pay for that and if you really believe that all of that money to do his three hundred million dollars ballroom is gonna only come from anonymous billionaires you got i got a bridge to sell you in brooklyn it's called the brooklyn bridge you can have it for a mere bag of shells because you're gonna pay for that too because trump needs to have his fuhrer bunker updated and that's a national security reconstruct right that's gonna have to be done by the army corps of engineers i'm assuming and you pay them so we're gonna pay for that as well so trump gets to have his luxuries he's got crypto cash rolling in his kids have crypto cash rolling in they're all becoming extraordinarily wealthy much wealthier than trump ever could have become from being a real estate developer he's supposed to be the greatest real estate developer in history but he was never able to get to even one billion off of the thing he's supposed to be an expert in i want you to really i'm gonna say it again donald trump never became a billionaire from the thing he's supposed to be an expert in the thing he got hired to be on the apprentice to do which is be a real estate developer he he never became a billionaire off of that in fact most people believe he would have made the same amount of money that he ultimately made which is a lot of money like two three four hundred million dollars if he had just taken the three hundred seventeen million he inherited from his daddy and put it in a money market if he had just done that he'd have the exact same amount of money that he ended up with by the time he became president the way trump has become a billionaire in six months is whatever he's doing on the background with these crypto schemes this crypto money is how he's a billionaire and his kids his sons who never would have become billionaires i'm really not that smart let's bring in our guest i believe we have oh well let's bring in lamonica mciver let's bring in congresswoman lamonica mciver do we have her oh there she is hey joy hey congresswoman how are you i'm good how are you i'm wonderful thank you i appreciate you being here i'm from the great state of new jersey i want to start just by asking you how your constituents are doing in dealing with the impending loss of their.
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Snap benefits folks are worried joy today we i just left my office here in north new jersey and we were putting together a list of food distribution locations talking with many of our organizations who do weekly food and sometimes daily food distributions making sure that we have the information ready putting together communication tools for my constituents i mean they're super worried i mean not being able to buy food and being impacted by this shutdown it's going to be crazy and.
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You know i've added up i do believe that the house has only been in session a total during this this this sort of session for like twelve days i think you guys been out for a month you guys worked for twelve days members of congress still get paid the speaker still gets paid and yet he will not reconvene the house it seems only because he doesn't want to put adelita grijalva in because he knows that that means they're going to have to do a discharge petition and release the epstein files which is why i am now calling the ballroom the epstein ballroom because it seems to me the people being served in this moment are the billionaires who can afford to give twenty five million dollars for the ballroom the kind of people i'm not saying the exact people but the kind of people that jeffrey epstein serviced with his disgusting trade in girls the kind of people who were making him a billionaire he was also a billionaire the billionaire class is doing quite well and donald trump who is the protector the chief protector of the worst pedophile in this country's history he gets a ballroom do you know are you able to determine how much we are paying for the deconstruction of the east wing cuz i know we're paying something no we.
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Haven'T gotten a number of how much i mean we first it started as two hundred thirty million dollars for this entire project was up to three hundred million i mean literally the administration is not sharing any information with congress regarding this obviously the president did this without getting any approvals from congress you know just doing it and he it's sad that we have a president claiming that this is his main priority right now when we have literally almost forty million americans who are going to be kicked off snap benefits and as you mentioned joy members of congress the president and his cabinet they're getting checks they're getting paid probably you know and it's sad that's why i put my personal check on hold as well because i don't think it's right that you know we have people who are not getting paychecks and members of congress especially republicans are collecting a paycheck right and staff don't.
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Get paid right or do they they.
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Don'T yeah staff are getting paid as.
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Well i want to play a video on jason we're going to pull for b one and because we have the congresswoman here i want to just remind people before while jason is pulling that i want to go back and just remind people of the thing that unfortunately too many people know you from and this was to go back to the very early days of the mass det mass deportation scheme that this administration has launched which again i want to just point out to the audience is a money making scheme it is a money making scheme these private prison companies were one of the biggest donors to donald trump they donated millions and millions of dollars to donald trump cores companies like corecivic they were saying to their own investors that this was going to be huge for their bottom lines that mass detention and mass deportation were going to be great for their bottom lines and i wanna also note that these are the kinds of people who met in secret and got taped with tom homan giving him a kava bag full of cash fifty thousand dollars because he was promising to get people contracts for this very thing so this is the setup now i wanna remind you all those of you who have not been listening to the joy read show from the very beginning that back in june three members of congress attempted to go and look into one of these private prison facilities which the mayor of newark ralph sparaka has said has been operating illegally in the state of new jersey you all went to do your oversight you had a right to do it the members who went were representatives rob menendez junior bonnie watson watson coleman who i will note i believe is in her seventies and yourself representative mciver to try to and you guys have a right to do oversight and let's show what happened jason please you you can see you're trying to physically defend defend the elder congresswoman who again i think she's in her late seventies maybe even a little older bonnie watson coleman you're physically trying to defend her and you end up getting arrested and charged with a crime talk about the state of the case the federal case you were the first member of congress to be prosecuted by this regime what is the state.
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Of that case yeah so first of all joy i was not arrested i found out i was being charged via twitter from our us attorney acting us attorney at the time alina haba i was there as you mentioned not to protest not to have a rally we were there to go for an oversight visit which is something we've done before as of right now those charges continue to be pursued upon me by trump's department of justice we just recently was in court a week ago arguing our motions to dismiss this case on two counts really two motions that we really feel very strong about one is vindictive prosecution and another is definitely my ability there to do my job i was there doing my job so how am i being charged you know for doing so we argued those and now we're waiting for a judge to give us an opinion on that a federal judge you know on his opinion on the case and so that's where we're at right now joy it's been horrible it's been awful you know going through this as a you know new member of congress is especially when you're just showing up doing the job and protecting the people who have elected you to protect them to make sure that you're holding this administration accountable so to be going through this still you know pushing forward and trying to you know get through it it's it's absolutely crazy you know and we see this with me one day and now we see so many other folks being vindictively prosecuted by trump's department of justice that he has weaponized the highest office to go after people who are his critics and that he does not agree with and that we hold him accountable and so that's what we have to deal with right i.
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Mean you were the first but you of course as you said have not been the last obviously james comey the former fbi director letitia james the attorney general of new york donald trump has his eye on more people he wants jack smith prosecuted for rightly investigating and indicting him for trying to overthrow the government and taking classified documents he wasn't entitled to he wants merrick garland prosecuted merrick garland didn't even do anything while he was there for four years he was an inert object but he apparently was not inert enough for donald trump he wants him prosecuted lisa monaco he wants obviously fani willis prosecuted because she had a righteous case against him for literally saying can you just find me eleven thousand votes so that i can steal georgia he said it in a recorded phone call so that is the way that donald trump operates he wants revenge against those who were trying to hold him accountable but in your case congresswoman you were there trying to find out who was in that facility and how they were being treated and whether they had even been charged with crimes have you found the answers out to.
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Those questions so we found out in many even shout out to one of my local papers who did like a investigative you know whole story on this location there were people there who did not have a record you know we even spoke to some of them while we were there taking our tour because we did end up getting the tour joy after after all of that that ice and homeland created we were able to speak to people and folks were literally in there because they were you know undocumented some were picked up at court some of them were just picked up you know off of the street and we did discover that this place was not up to par to be operating a couple of weeks later joy they actually had a riot there where four detainees actually broke out they were upset because they were not getting properly fed they had not had anything to eat in days and the detainees were upset and so they broke out through a makeshift wall that did not have a permit and was not properly inspected and so that was the reason why the mayor was sounding the alarm about this facility and the reason why we we showed up as members of congress we have the right to do so to have an oversight visit of this location and look look what happened you know just weeks later you know at this facility the reason why oversight is.
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So important yeah and the congress has been in a disaster when it comes to oversight the republican congress won't do any oversight at all the questions of spending the power of the purse in the federalist papers was said to be the greatest power and it is the power that can most constrain the president from becoming a king because if you can cut off the money it's like cutting off his allowance right and it's the one power and that actually resides in the house technically the house and the senate are the first branch of government trump not even technically the administration the president is the second branch of government article two the fact that the house of representatives refuses to act under the current speaker is really outrageous to me do you know whether or not checks are still being written to pay private prison facilities like the one you tried to inspect are they still getting their money during the shutdown well technically.
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I don't know but joy i don't doubt it i mean this president this speaker johnson and republicans are allowing the president they're bending a knee every second they get they are not holding him accountable they've literally given up their power as elected officials members of congress to this president to do whatever he wants and so i'm sure this president and his writing checks doing whatever he wants and saying basically screw congress you know screw speaker johnson i heard that there's jokes about how they've totally taken over speaker johnson and all of this other stuff that that's out there and of course i mean look they are not doing the job that the people elected them to do and that is why the people should vote them out come this midterm because they are not holding this administration accountable well i mean if.
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We have free and fair elections which i highly doubt we will have and we're going to have you know there will be troops in the streets of newark and any other blue city especially with you know ras barak in charge of newark there will be troops at the polls i wanna circle back to snap for just a moment because i have been reframing this to me as stop the steal but it's stop the steal for real because as i see it the power of the purse is being stolen by the white house but they're using it to take money from ordinary hardworking people from people in urban centers people who have snap people who work every day but make a minimum wage so they need food support most people who are on snap have a job they do work already or they're disabled or they work a job that pays them so little that they still need food help et cetera those people get their money taken away they get their snap taken away okay billionaires still get their tax cuts rich people like elon musk still get their fat contract everybody seems to be getting paid but the regular person but on snap specifically my understanding and you correct me if i'm wrong is that the way snap was put together it has a contingency fund a contingency fund that has about five billion dollars in it that could be released today to make sure that at least that first tranche of snap benefits those first ebt guards get filled with money and that there is a second tranche of money that has been used before when wic which is the women infant and children's program which feeds people when they just had a baby that has been pulled in before during a shutdown to make sure wic was made whole has there been any talk in the united states house of representatives among your republican colleagues to activate or to demand that the agriculture department use that contingency money for snap not that.
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I'Ve seen but democrats have personally been making calls and spearheading letters to them asking them to use these dollars that are available which i believe is six billion dollars that is available for them to use i think the whole coverage would be about eight billion to cover for the month of november but it we're saying use what you can and use the extra to be able to make sure that our american families are not going hungry right for the month of november but literally no response we've heard that the administration has pushed back on that saying that they would not use the dollars to do so we haven't heard much from republicans especially not the speaker of the house about it which is awful because for folks in louisiana joy they get snap benefits so for him to be silent on this matter is awful you know but we haven't heard anything.
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It is people in states like louisiana who get snap benefits because louisiana is a much poorer state than new jersey so louis so the constituents of the speaker are much more likely to be on what used to be called food stamps than people in.
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Newark absolutely and many others from many other red states as well they benefit i know here in new jersey we have about eight hundred thousand people who benefit from snap benefits and so at the end of the day we just we should not be having this conversation about why we are not funding and doing all that we can to fund our snap program to make sure that our families are able to feed you know each other like that they can go out and buy food that they need it's just it's really awful it just shows you how we have leaders that are not operating putting their constituents.
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First let me ask if there is any if for instance let's say if adelita grijala gets she's not getting sworn let's say she did get sworn in would there be a way to do a discharge petition to try to demand that the administration first of all spend money as it was told to spend it by congress but also demanding that they do literally what they've done for the military and they broke the law to do that there is no contingency fund to pay the military but they found money and they've paid the troops which is a good thing we're all happy the troops are getting paid a lot of them probably need food stamps sometimes i've seen them standing in some lines i've seen people in full mills or uniform standing in some lines getting.
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Free groceries some do get snapped yeah.
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Absolutely could in theory congress pass a short term appropriation or short term bill to force that to happen if republicans.
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Would correct yes it is possible joy if speaker johnson would actually call us back to work if he would actually put the house back in session you know of course we would be able to i mean i'm sure a few republicans who are you know getting calls from their constituents and are concerned about this as well i'm just optimistic joy that there are a few just a few republicans who are not worried about just bending the knee to donald trump and really worried about their constituents being able to buy food i think they we can possibly do that the fact.
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That they're doing this with thanksgiving literally around the corner to me is so barbaric in the richest country in the world that can afford to give one thousand billionaires a permanent tax cut for the rest of their lives in which major corporations like amazon pay zero taxes at all they don't pay taxes zero they pay none and in which even when fox got fined seven hundred eighty seven million dollars they just passed that along to their shareholders or got a big tax cut that ate it up billionaires and corporations get away with everything whereas regular people struggle it's shocking to me and i wonder if you as a new member of congress have been surprised how corrupt this system is and how broken it is when ordinary people can't eat but billionaires are literally going to ballroom fundraisers at mar a lago and promising twenty five million dollars for his epstein ballroom yeah well joy i.
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Served on the city council i think i've said this before on your show for seven and a half years as the councilwoman and the council president in the largest city in new jersey and the reason why i decided to come to congress was to for more because i knew locally what we really needed on the federal side for my constituents i had no idea i would get here one be facing three two felony counts and one misdemeanor and two seeing this happen where i mean leaders just don't give a damn a president who does not care about workingclass people about the americans that he's supposed to serve or picking which americans are important to him i've i've never seen something like this and so i'm shocked each and every day of how we're operating just in in this point in this moment of time where we have folks don't care about giving people health care kicking people off of medicaid not wanting to expand the aca tax credits and now snap benefits i mean it is literally overwhelming every day to me to see that this is the way the federal government operates this is the way republicans are failing to serve the people who have elected them it's truly unbelievable and so you know every day i'm praying joy that it gets because it has to get better for the people that i represent i'm charged with protecting them and serving them and knowing that i'm not able to do that underneath this federal leadership this republican led house and senate and white house it's honestly depressing.
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Joy seriously i'm sure it's depressing i think for all of us out here sis i agree with you on that exit question regarding the governor's race i was deeply disappointed to be honest that people did not show up for ras baraka the way he showed up for the people and that the turnout was so low in that primary just abysmally low and so in this low turnout primary we wound up with a moderate i would argue candidate who's facing a pretty serious challenge from the republican what is your message to folks in new jersey that could get them to fight this madness with what might be our last year to vote in a free and fair election like this is it like i'm not sure we'll have free and fair elections ever again after this year so it's like it's use it or lose it time what is your message to voters in new jersey about and do you and what do you think of the democratic nominee yeah well.
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I mean obviously i was definitely a supporter of ras baraka phenomenal leader literally progressive and doing amazing things in the state altogether obviously i've been on a campaign trail for mikey sherl and her lieutenant governor dale carwell and the bottom line is we need a fighter and a protector from this president and his administration and right now mikey is the best be able to do that and so you know while i'm fighting and protecting in congress definitely i want to have a governor to do so that most of her values and mission aligns to what is important to the people that i represent and so it's going to be a tight race we're fighting really hard you know we're running really hard to make sure we can deliver because we do not want a baby trump here in new jersey we do not want a governor who is going to welcome this dangerous president into our state and give him a literally front row seat to do whatever he wants on many of our cities like you mentioned joy we will have military on the streets of newark and all of our urban cities up and down new jersey and we don't want that we cannot afford trump he is dangerous to us and so we are literally sounding the alarm for new jerseyans to understand what this election means and elections have consequences we're living in right now with donald trump and we want folks to understand that we do not want a baby trump to be able to do whatever they want to do to our citizens american citizens by the way here in new jersey and so we're encouraging people to get out there and vote for mikey sheryl for sure all right.
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You heard it here first lamonica mciver congresswoman lamonica mciver thank you so much keep up the good fight we'll be following your case i think you have a very very strong case for malicious prosecution just based on the things donald trump has said and what was done we could see it with our own eyes thank you congresswoman thank you for being here be well thanks for thank you very much all right let's do a quick ad break before we do a little bit more and i am gonna talk about this hurricane that's barreling down on jamaica but i wanna just tell y' all that i am actually really excited about our new sponsor because this is something that i think a lot of people deal with and that is high blood pressure it is a big deal we've seen all of these hip hop artists dying young in their forties and fifties and a lot of that is healthy a lot of the things that we're seeing that are taking young men in particular out of here early is health so our new sponsor is one hundred twenty life and 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please batten down the hatches call your relatives who are there and let's make sure that we that we make sure that our relatives and our family members are safe it is a category five hurricane this is really really scary category five is what hurricane katrina wants was i believe i need to double check that and make sure but i believe category five hurricane katrina was a category five so be careful i also wanna talk about what's happening in new york so the early voting started on saturday over the weekend the daughter voted hopefully everybody's gonna start and do your early voting because it's actually really important but zoran mamdani has brought out the absolute cuckoo crazy in everyone in both parties i mean the democrats who can't seem to endorse him they're like hiding under the bed begging that no journalist will ask him if they endorse zoran kwame mamdani i like the fact that his middle name is kwame that he used to be a rapper he's originally from uganda but he came here when he was seven naturalized in twenty eighteen his middle name kwame his father named him after kwame nkrumah his mom mira nair is the lady who made mississippi masala she is the director of mississippi masala with denzel in it so he kind of has like black crack and he was a hip hop artist earlier in his earlier life and then he became a city councilman but he's brought out that the cuckoo crazy in people two house republicans are now saying they want to denaturalize and deport zorad kwame mamdani they want to denaturalize him take his naturalized citizenship away and deport him representative randy fine who of course is from florida i mean of course told the rupert murdoch new york post last week that the federal government should quote review every naturalization in the past thirty years starting with mamdani but also including ilhan omar who came as a refugee a child from somalia from sudan sudan somalia somalia somalia sorry he wants to review both he called mamdani a threat to the nation and said this is the quote i know that there's a lot of us that are very very concerned about the enemy within people who have come to this country to become citizens in order to destroy it he says i just think we need to take a hard look at how these folks became citizens and if there's any fraud or any violation of the rules we need to denaturalize and deport randy fine told the post i don't have an element for this i'm just reading it i'm just i'm just telling you this he dismissed any logistical concerns about yanking the citizenship of this naturalized citizen or any other naturalized americans after they got elected to top jobs and he says if they're not americans they can't be in office just like straight up racism and islamophobia he's not even like hiding the racism in islamophobia he's just doing it since june his colleague another republican congressman andy ogles of tennessee both of them are still getting paid by the way to work during the shutdown down andy ogles has been pushing for a justice department probe of mamdani claiming that the democratic nominee for mayor of new york city lied on his sworn statement when he became a naturalized citizen in twenty eighteen per the post andy ogles says deport mamdani branding him an anti semitic socialist communist which are different things who will destroy the great city of new york which i'm sure andy ogles really cares about the city of new york i'm sure he cares so much much he says in twenty eighteen when he was naturalized he failed to disclose some of the things that he had been doing one of which was joining the democratic socialists of america democratic socialism is not regular socialism it's like basically like fdr socialism but anyway he says it's a communist organization no it isn't which quite frankly would have been disqualified would have disqualified him from becoming a united states citizen i don't know if you guys realize this but there is an overt disqualification from becoming a naturalized citizen if you are a member of a communist organization it is sort of a cold war vestige you cannot be an avowed communist and go ahead and get citizenship but the democratic socialists of america are not a communist organization first of all socialism and communism are different things socialism even regular socialism is different from communism but democratic socialists democratic socialism the democratic socialists of america basically it's what fdr was it's saying that there should be the commons you should have common good and that the government should intervene in times of need fdr intervened a whole hell of a lot during the nineteen thirties because there was a great depression caused by the bankers the same kinds of billionaires who are profiting now triggered a collapse in the economy because of their just raw greed they drove the economy over the edge and then the government essentially had to step in and make sure people didn't die of starvation in the streets and fdr provided federal jobs tennessee valley authority and others provided federal work like literally work that was provided by the federal government they even employed artists a lot of the murals you see around dc were painted during the fdr era because they would employ artists to paint things that's what they did they were painters here we're gonna give you a job to paint a mural for us that's what democratic socialism is it's saying that the government should intervene when you have a catastrophic economic condition in the city of new york the catastrophic economic condition is that billionaires are buying up entire blocks of new york city and then jacking up the rents on an entire city block because they own the whole block and they're just jacking up all the rents and they're making new york unlivable you can't live in new york you barely can live there without a roommate a studio apartment i've said this before jason and my youngest son my studio apartment when i lived in a studio apartment was four hundred fifty dollars a month a current studio apartment where he lives is two thousand eight hundred dollars a month that's a lot of inflation that's a lot of inflation and what mamdani is saying is that the government should intervene grocery prices in the city of new york are extravagantly high like insanely high and he's saying that the government should intervene to make life affordable that is democratic socialism it isn't communism communism and socialism are very different but what democratic socialists say is that the federal government can step in and make things cheaper one of the things that he's saying that you could do is to provide competition to private grocery stores by having the public open a grocery store it's what they wanted to do with a public option under universal health care when obamacare was first proposed it was supposed to also have a public option meaning you have a public nonprofit that competes with the private options so that that competition brings the prices down because the private options now have to compete with a cheaper publicly owned option when there's a cheaper publicly owned option the private options will tend to bring their prices down because they want to get the customers that will go to the public one that was what we were going to do with health care but that got stopped because you had a guy named lieberman senator lieberman from connecticut whose wife was in the health care industry who said we're not going to allow that they didn't allow the public option that had to die so that you could get obamacare through the united states senate mamdani is proposing to do something similar and by the way this has been done in other states i believe massachusetts tried this as well and it's a very successful model if you have a publicly owned grocery that grocery will tend to charge less for most items and therefore the private groceries will have to compete with it and all the prices come down similarly using the public dollar to compete with the real estate market that is currently being bought up by billionaires they don't even live there if you go to the miracle mile is it called the miracle mile jason in manhattan i think it's called the miracle mile in the fifties isn't it billionaires row billionaires row sorry miracle mile that's chicago the billionaires row you have billionaires from saudi arabia from japan from china fifty seventh street fifty seventh street in manhattan and they own blocks and blocks or many many apartments and they don't live in them billionaires are buying up entire city blocks of manhattan and then they are the landlord under different llcs different names and you think you're dealing with landlord a and landlord b it's the same landlord and most of those places are empty their investment real estate empty empty buildings that jack up do you realize when we lived when jason and i and our kids lived in downtown brooklyn for a time we lived next into in a building that was a relatively new building but next to it were the fort green projects they were literally next to it and then next to the fort green projects between our building and the fort green projects was another building where a four bedroom apartment cost you eight thousand five hundred dollars a month month not eight hundred and fifty eight thousand five hundred dollars a month we moved when our rent got jacked up to five thousand dollars a month for a four bedroom apartment again when i was a youngin and i wasn't a youngin i ain't that old my first apartment in fort greene which is one of the most expensive parts of new york city my apartment i had a fourth story fourth floor walk up studio apartment it was dollar four hundred fifty a month my second apartment that i had was also in fort greene on the corner of de camp and flatbush avenue with a park view both those two apartments had a park view a full park view dekalb in south oxford dekalb in south oxford right where spike lee was at the time dollar nine hundred a month for a second story one bedroom dollar nine hundred a month the third apartment that i had in fort greene i moved a fair amount was one thousand two hundred dollars a month and then the first apartment jason and i had together in around the corner from the brooklyn museum one of the most expensive parts of brooklyn new york right now and one of the most gentrified parts of brooklyn but it was literally a block from brooklyn museum one thousand two hundred dollars a month that apartment had two full bedrooms duplex two full bed glass elevator duplex glass elevator jacuzzi tub that's crazy and a deck my producer is in my ear hyperventilating she's hyperventilating right now don't forget the skyline view on the roof and we had a skyline view on the roof one thousand two hundred dollars a month one thousand two hundred dollars a month and when we moved to florida because we needed more space in a backyard because we had our baby was a toddler the baby that just voted for mom domi we'd be too better voted for mom daddy she did we moved and our apartment in our townhouse in broward county florida was also twelve a month right now the apartment we moved out of the last time we checked was three thousand five hundred dollars a month and i'm sure now it's about six thousand a month that is why mamdani is winning because mamdani is saying that he will do something to intervene using the power of the government the city government to intervene and make prices lower that is something that is within his capability and everybody's like well how's he gonna do that is this gonna drive the rich people out i promise you they're not going to leave new york city is where broadway is it's where wall street is and by the way donald trump saying he's going to defund new york city if mamdani wins no he won't that's where wall street is he's not going to defund his friends the people who got the biggest tax cut are in new york city they're the wall street people who he just gave a tax cut to and who are paying for the epstein ballroom all right coming up on the next hour of the joy reid show i am going to explain to you and this is going to blow your mind but i want you all to take this in because i'm gonna explain it to you how donald trump and george w bush are essentially the same president same guy donald trump and george w bush essentially the same president only trump is bush without the charm don't believe me i'm gonna explain it to you and with that i do wanna welcome you to hour two of the joy reid show by the way if you have not hit like and subscribe now is your chance smash that like and subscribe button very important to do that because the algorithm needs to have the likes and subscribes in order to help this channel to win we're excited we are way north of three hundred thousand subscribers let me just go ahead and look at our number we're at three hundred forty and counting three three hundred forty eight zero three as of this moment we're trying to get to five hundred by your birthday by my birthday december eighth of the year of our lord twenty twenty five we're trying to get to five hundred thousand subscribers we are chasing that might be a little bit too ambitious how about four hundred thousand i think we can get to five i believe in us i believe in you all make sure that you share the share button is really important to that because if you hit share you can tell a friend tell a foe tell somebody who's like a trumper and share it with them just so they can hate watch hate watch sometimes you want to hate watch it's the thing that some people like to do and so we want to give them the opportunity to do that as well but yes i do want to go back and make sure that i am looking at the hurricane katrina history to make sure was it a category five it started as a category three but it ultimately became a category five just to confirm that so hurricane melissa that is barreling toward jamaica is that strong of a hurricane it's a hurricane katrina style hurricane which is terrifying so we really hope and pray that jamaica will be okay do you want to open it up to audience questions one of the things we want to do in this hour i am going to tell you all how george w bush and donald trump are one and the same and then we're gonna open it up to an ama we're gonna open it up to your questions after i present this to you you can tell me whether you agree disagree whether you think that my analogy is wrong whether you think it's right i'm gonna open it up we're gonna let everybody in not just team tjrs members anyone in the chat will be able to answer questions we're gonna have somebody also monitor the substack chat so if there are any questions from substack nidha and friends can y' all please let me know if you guys can see the substack chat or or winnie or whoever's watching that chat please let me know if there are any questions over there we're going to do that as well but all right let me now pose this to you this is my proposition on this monday if you actually think about it the only real material differences between donald trump and george w bush are trump's tacky obsession with gold bush's obsession was with rustic things he liked a rusty feel but they're very similar in the way that they have been president they were both draft dodgers during the vietnam war both of them got their daddies to call in favors to get them out of serving in vietnam trump had supposed bone spurs bush came up with some other excuse but neither of them served right but at least w i will say at least seemed to have some respect for the troops he did respect the military he didn't call them losers and suckers like trump both have sort of connections to bavaria germany i would say there is an allegation that bush's grandfather looked the other way about the nazi regime in the thirties there were also allegations that bush's grandfather might have been one of those who was looking at maybe overthrowing fdr in that coup plot that was to overthrow the fdr government and replace it with an american fuhrer so they both have a sort of weird connection to that kind of odd nineteen thirties throwback neither of them are very bright neither of them has a stunning command of the english language bush had his malapropisms which you call bushisms trump basically speaks in geriatric gibberish or he kind of does this breathless voice but he speaks like a twelve year old or two year old i want to play you this compilation that i did of they're both nepotistic nepo babies as the chat is pointing out they're both nepo babies that is very true but let me play this compilation that i put together of bush and trump and you tell me if you don't think that their verbal malapropisms are similar here they go this is an.
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Impressive crowd the haves and the have mores.
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Some people call you the elite.
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We got an issue in america too many good.
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Docs are getting out of business too many obgyns aren't able to practice their their love with women all across this country our enemies are innovative and resourceful.
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And so are we they never stop.
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Thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people and neither do.
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Oh that's not good i call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers thank you now watch this drive shifting production to thailand and to vietnam thailand and vietnam they went maga you know argentina great guy he's a big trump guy he loves trump i love him because he loves trump when he called i took his call anybody that loves me i like them you know i was very honored as a man viktor orban did anyone ever hear of him he's probably like one of the strongest leaders anywhere in the world and he is the leader of right he's the leader of turkey fronts on both russia hello to a place where we've done very well sioux falls thank you very much sioux falls so sioux city let me ask you did you just see maduro venezuela it's unbelievable we are a nation that just recently heard that saudi arabia and russia will repeat also we have many azerasians in our room we have some incredible people in our room we have so many that we just can't but we have some people we have some people in our room that i'm not going to mention because they fully understand.
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Why they fully understand why some people in the chat pointing out that bush did like mexicans he didn't dislike them and his sister in law was mexican mexican american jeb bush's wife so yeah he didn't dislike the mexicans like trump does so that is a difference as well some folks in the chat also asking about hurricane maria it was in fact a category five the cyclone that hit puerto rico and devastated it the fourth most deadly hurricane on record in history in twenty seventeen so that was also a category five hurricane maria so yes that is absolutely true but yes donald trump and george b bush both they don't speak too good they don't speak very well so there you go now both of them have also an election a relationship to stolen elections now this is where the similarity really kicks in i want you to take a look at this a clip of this sixty minute story and this is about donald trump's stop the steal rally ahead of the january sixth election the person who is sort of featured in this is a guy named john eastman this is how sixty minutes reported about what he was doing that day we know.
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That dead people voted with only hours to go before the count at the capitol eastman's dubious reading of the constitution became an ultimatum and all we are demanding of vice president pence is this afternoon at one o' clock he let the legislatures of the state look into this so we get to the bottom of it and the american people know whether we have control of the direction of our government or not and anybody that is not willing to stand up to do it does not deserve to be in the office it is that.
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Hours later after the president's speech rioters were stalking mike pence greg jacob the vice president's counsel was in the capitol as pence was reading not judging the vote we started hearing boom boom boom and all of a sudden glass shattered the riot stopped the count in the moment jacob sent emails to john eastman thanks to your bull we are now under siege he called eastman a serpent in the ear of the president the violence caused the vote count to take longer than the rules allow so eastman wrote back to jacob with a plea since the rules were broken already why not break one more and send the votes back to the states the people who stormed the building believed that the vice president had authorities that he in fact did not have and that that was a motivating factor for them in storming the building and after you see all of that actually play out the kind of practical implications that i had expressed to him on the fifth if the courts don't decide this is going to be decided in the streets well the streets had come to us and he still wanted us to go ahead and push ahead with his theory which told you what about john eastman he was mostly concerned with the results and didn't really care how many laws had to be broken to get there.
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So john eastman the guy who didn't care how many laws had to be broken in order to ensure that donald trump stole the presidency essentially stayed in the white house after losing the election to joe biden that guy he was a mentee of clarence thomas one of the things he said in emails at the time was that clarence thomas justice thomas was was critical to their strategy to get the election back into the courts he thought clarence thomas was very important to that thing he was a mentee of clarence thomas and he was a mentee back when clarence thomas uncle clarence was the head of the equal opportunity employment commission basically he was put on the eeoc to undermine the agency and then george bush sr who put him on the eeoc put him on the supreme court to replace thurgood marshall clarence thomas shudder i think when i think about it was the replacement when thurgood marshall passed and he was put there to serve a very specific role as a black justice and john eastman went on to have a role in trying to make sure that w the son of the man who put his mentor on the supreme court would become president in two thousand now this is what the washington monthly says about doctor john easton he was called upon by the florida legislature the same guy john eastman who you saw in that sixty minutes piece to give expert testimony about constitutional issues arising under the elector and electoral college provisions of the constitution he was retained by the florida legislature to craft legislation that would protect that state's electoral votes and he participated as an attorney on behalf of the george w bush presidential campaign in post election litigation in florida john eastman in two thousand was involved in the attempts to secure that election for george w bush he was the person who was advising the george w bush campaign how they could use and manipulate the constitution to ensure the w got into the white house same guy john eastman twenty years apart also involved in both attempts to steal an election in the united states or in trump's case to refuse to leave office after losing an election roger stone remember cookie roger stone the guy with the nixon tattoo he was behind back in two thousand what was called the brooks brothers riot i want you all to listen to and what that was was a group of i'll let you listen to this independent journalist independent investigative journalist jennifer cohn interviewed an author named jonathan simon back in twenty twenty and they talked about the brooks brothers riot this is c three take a look.
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And it was a real harbinger of.
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Things to come and some of the people involved in there was a recount effort initiated by al gore that of.
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Course the supreme court stopped some of.
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The people that helped george bush stop the recount are in even greater positions of power today and i was hoping you could tell me who some of.
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Those people are well i mean roger stone was one he was i think chief organizer of the brooks brothers riot he was certainly one of the organizers the brooks brothers riot was this very physical attempt at successful attempt at intimidating the counters who were doing the manual recount that had been mandated in florida by banging on the windows and screaming all sorts of things there was like fifty or sixty many of them coming down from congressional offices trent lott's office the senator and really basically acting like stormtroopers and stopping that recount process and delaying the recount process which turned out to be a big part of why the recount was stopped there wasn't enough time for it so he was one brett kavanaugh was another there are quite a few who have moved on i guess you'd have to say to bigger and better or bigger and worse things and so we really have a history that goes back to two thousand and has been pretty continuous since then of attempts and successes at interfering with the electoral process by domestic actors we're not talking about russians here look who he's.
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Right there we can leave it there john roberts so so okay so we've had then a continuous effort from two thousand to twenty twenty to ensure a republican president and it's backed in both cases by very wealthy actors and the participants two of them are now the same but they're not the only two that are the same but before we get to some of the others that are also consistent from from two thousand to twenty twenty i want you all to listen to roger stone himself talking about and this was a documentary in twenty twenty three called a storm foretold and he there's what they're assuming is.
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The election will be normal the election will not be normal oh these are the california results sorry we're not accepting them we're challenging them in court if the electors show up at the electoral college armed guards will throw them out i'm the president you you're not stealing florida you're not stealing i'm challenging all of it and the judges we're going to are judges i appointed you you're not stealing the election that's what that's basically what bush did to gore so you know if they want to run a bunch of fake ballots we'll have an investigation we'll say these ballots are fake your results are invalidated goodbye that's the way it's going to have to look it's going to be really nasty wow but you cannot count on we're not going to get an honest election right so let's say that trump is a little behind right now she probably is that doesn't bother me but even if he wins an honest election we're not going to have an honest election they're going to steal it they're stealing this blind in florida right now so you know it's not the first time it's happened in this country it happens around the world yeah so he's going to have to he's going to have to fight for the presidency in the courts our next election will be decided in the courts because they cheat and we we don't cheat we've never cheated.
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Yeah we don't cheat the guy behind the brooks brothers right which again was a mini version of the twenty twenty one insurrection the twenty twenty one version was a bigger version with more people storming the capitol but in two thousand roger stone put together a group of staffers who came downstairs into where people were counting votes in miami in florida and stormed it like storm troopers created so much noise banging on doors terrifying the people who were counting the votes in order to stop the count they ultimately did stop the count and then the hand picked five members of the united states supreme court who came from the heritage foundation decided in favor of george w bush over al gore making george w bush president clarence thomas was on that court john roberts who's the current chief justice was one of the lawyers who was advising bush's team the current chief justice bush then nominated him to the court and made him chief justice brett kavanaugh one of the other people that donald trump put on the court was in private practice at the time also helping to prepare the bush team to go to the supreme court for that guess who another advisor was amy coney barrett it one of the other advisors to the bush team at the time was providing research assistance in the case that's three people of the current nine on the supreme court who were personally involved in trying to ensure that george w bush became the president of the united states in two thousand twenty years before a more violent version of it was attempted in the capitol the two thousand one was successful because they made their way to a supreme court that had five republicans on it who were going to clearly pick the republican so that's another similarity between the two they're both sort of wheeling around this idea of stolen elections and the idea of stolen elections including the notion that the machines were rigged came from two thousand they took what liberals were concerned about the machines not being accurate in two thousand remember it was democrats who objected black and one asian american democrat in the united states house who objected to the certification election the objection certification was objected to by democrats at the time who were saying that what was happening in florida could not have been clean and they needed a senator to sign on with them in order to create an objection in twenty twenty one on january sixth there was a need to have a house and a senator a senate member and a house member get together and object mutually to the certification of the election that's what they were trying to intimidate the house and senate to do that riot that insurrection was about trying to goad a senator and a house member to do the exact same kind of objection that was that failed in two thousand when democrats tried to do it again bush and trump another thing that's similar about the two of them both of them are apparently going to go down in history for dragging the us into ginned up wars based on phony intelligence and a false provocation in bush's case he used the very real terrorist attack on nine eleven as an excuse to launch a forever war on terror which started with afghanistan but eventually somehow wound up shifting to iraq he and his entire government marshaled a lie that saddam hussein was responsible for the nine eleven terror attacks on the world trade center and the pentagon and so we had to go after saddam hussein we had to do regime change because it was part of the war on terror they even got colin powell general colin powell to lie in front of the united nations they got him to lie with dick cheney saying you need to do this presentation about the supposed chemical weapons that saddam hussein was going to unleash on the united states even though he did not have ballistic missiles that could get to the united states they made him do it because dick cheney said you've got higher approval numbers you need to be the one to make this case and he did it he had his men dick cheney don rumsfeld paul wolfowitz all of them worked on selling this war to the american people remember the saying was you can't sell a war in the summer they wanted to wait till fall because they said bush's brain he was like you can't sell it in the summer you need to wait till fall they even got a pliant media to go along with it the new york times participated in it and by the way just a little note on rumsfeld and cheney you know they went back to the nixon administration right we have an old picture of cheney and that's cheney and rumsfeld the same two guys that's cheney and rumsfeld during the nixon administration in the seventies so the same guys roger stone rumsfeld and cheney all came from the nixon administration nixon tried to govern extralegally outside of the law ended up having to resign before he got get impeached so they failed there they were like roger stone actually says there's a great documentary called get me roger stone in which he openly says i was looking for a better nixon they tried with george w bush and then they got donald trump they rolled the dice three times to try to get an autocratic president who would govern as an autocrat there was a thing back during the bush era called the project for a new american century i don't know if you guys remember that but it was this think tank george w bush's brother jeb was the one who was closer to it where they were trying to get the united states to go to war not just against iraq but also iran and by the way the iraq war was being pushed heavily sold to the administration not just by the neocons who said we have to do these three simultaneous regional wars we need to get into a multi theater war in the middle east in order to secure our dominance the axis of evil but the axis of evil included north korea it was north korea iran and iraq that was the axis of evil and that we had to go to war against these three countries in order to secure american dominance worldwide this was their update of the cold war this had to happen and the project for the new american century had that rumsfeld cheney that crowd that were selling this to george w bush he was just an idiot like george w bush wasn't the smartest guy in the world he wasn't really that ideological either but what he was was super popular with who evangelical christians just like trump and he had evangelicals wrapped around his finger remember a jesus camp go see that movie they worshiped george w bush the exact same way that they worshiped trump and by the way the other entity this is going to blow your mind it might that was selling the idea of us getting into a fighting shooting war with iraq was a very familiar face who was testifying as a private citizen before our congress on september twelfth two thousand two following his first term as israel's prime minister ladies and gentlemen bibi netanyahu there is.
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No question whatsoever that saddam is seeking and is working and is advancing towards the development of nuclear weapons no question whatsoever and there is no question that once he acquires it history shifts immediately the dangers posed by a nuclear armed saddam were understood by my country two decades ago well before september eleventh in nineteen eighty one the late prime minister of israel menachem begin dispatched the israeli air force on a pre dawn raid that destroyed the iraqi nuclear reactor at.
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Osiraq.
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This probably took place months away from saddam's ability to assemble the critical mass of plutonium for the first atomic bomb or more than one today the united states must destroy the same regime because a nuclear arms saddam will place the security of our entire world at risk and make no mistake about it if and once saddam has nuclear weapons the terrorists network will have nuclear weapons two decades ago it was possible to thwart saddam's nuclear ambitions by bombing a single installation but today nothing less than dismantling his regime will do because saddam's nuclear program has fundamentally changed in those two decades he no longer needs one large reactor to produce the the deadly material necessary for atomic bombs he can produce it in centrifuges the size of washing machines that can be hidden throughout.
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The country that's not true none of that was true none of that was true but bibi netanyahu was doing the hard sell in two thousand two said you got to go to war with iraq it's going to be easy you can get in there you're going to be greeted as liberators bibi netanyahu right that brings us to trial bibi's buddy who by the way claimed that he was against the iraq war but he actually praised the iraq war so but he claims i was against stupid wars i'm gonna end these stupid wars well he now appears to be setting up his own saddam hussein named nicolas maduro which nicolas maduro he sees it coming he sees that he is being set up to be donald trump's saddam hussein and i want to know that nicolas maduro is a terrible human being as was saddam hussein who is tormenting his own people locking them up if they have any dissent against him he is a saddam hussein but that doesn't mean the american people want to go to war with him do we want to have a shooting war in venezuela and just as there were the neoconservatives and the israelis and all of these other people and the project for new american century people who were all gassing george w bush up and using his pliability to get him to go along with doing this war that made no sense whatsoever iraq had nothing to do with nine eleven in fact if nine eleven was pursued by religious extremists they would have killed saddam hussein because he was a secular dictator and considered an apostate by al qaeda they would have loved to saw his head off they weren't allies with him they couldn't have been allies one was a secular dictator fascist and the other were really just nuts but donald trump has created his own version of this and he's got his own version of the tea sipping iraqi exiles who were in europe egging the bush administration on to please overthrow the iraqi government so they could go move back in and take over pre castro cuba style now remember the woman who beat donald trump for the nobel peace prize and then praised him to the hilt and said he's the one who should have won maria corina machado if she theoretically were to become the leader of venezuela she would be a trump ally if maduro was overthrown in fact she might be the only woman that donald trump would ever support installing in a presidential office i want you guys to watch this interview that miss collina the nobel peace prize recipient who's weirdly easy to find for somebody who's supposed to be in hiding i mean the nobel peace people just called her on the phone to tell her she won and apparently she's easy to book as well here is an interview that she did with donald trump junior on his podcast triggered back in february and i want to note the timing of this interview it was released just hours after the trump administration canceled the oil licenses that allowed chevron the oil company to operate in venezuela here's the interview she gave a piece of it forget about saudi arabia forget about the saudis i.
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Mean we have more oil i mean.
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Infinite potential and we're going to open.
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Markets we're going to kick off the.
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Government from the oil sector we are going to privatize all our industry venezuela has huge resources oil gas minerals land technology and as you said before we have a strategic location ours from the united states so we're going to do this right we know what we have.
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To do and american companies are in super strategic position to invest this country.
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Venezuela is going to be the brightest opportunity for investment of american companies of good people that are going to make a lot of money infinite supplies of oil she gives that interview to the president's son months before or shortly before chevron is kicked out of venezuela they cancel their ability to operate there and then suddenly there's a narco terror war out of this country suddenly this is the basis of narco terrorism all of a sudden in that same interview she goes along with the idea that maduro is some sort of narco terrorist donald trump is trying to be president mckinley the gilded age republican president who not only presided over the gilded age who was a tariff fanatic had four separate recessions during his presidency because tariffs wrecked the economy then as they are wrecking it now and who is the president who presided over the spanish american war after a lie about the maine being sunk by the spanish caused the us to go to war actually he got a declaration of war this was probably the last time we got a declaration of war well actually this in world war two they declared war world war one and world war two they wound up in the end the united states following that war takes control of puerto rico and the philippines and guam and occupied cuba that's why we have puerto rico because of the spanish american war and you want to know we want to note that cuba where we used to occupy gangster capitalists were unleashed to gobble up that entire economy americans were running everything they had all the businesses the best land and the inequality that they created in cuba is what eventually led to the cuban revolution the communist revolution by fidel castro to kick out batista who was the military dictator who was the us's guy so we'll have our guys in the i want to also note by the way the iraq war was about big oil being able to get in there our toppling of mossadegh in iran was about mosaddegh the leader of iran attempting to have his country own their oil when the us wanted to privatize it and put it into the hands of our big oil men you see where i'm going with this donald trump is regularly bombing boats in the caribbean and killing fishermen in the caribbean sea claiming that they're really drug traffickers in in drug trafficking boats even though people in his own party including republican senator rand paul openly admit that that is a lie that maduro who again is terrible just like saddam was terrible has nothing to do with narco trafficking just like saddam hussein had nothing to do with nine eleven i played this before i'm gonna play it again here is rand paul debunking the entire bullshit about maduro number one there.
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Is no fentanyl made in venezuela not just a little bit there's none being made in venezuela venezuela these are outboard boats that in order for them to get to miami would have to stop and refuel twenty times they're all likely going to trinidad and tobago which is an island right off of the coast of venezuela so there's a lot of reasons to be worried about this but number one is the broader principle of when can you kill people indiscriminately when you were at war that's why when we declare war it's supposed to be done by congress it's supposed to be thoughtful supposed to be debated and we're not supposed to do it willy nilly and then when you have war you just kill people in the war zone and even then there are rules of engagement but interdicting drugs has always been a criminal activity and a criminal anti crime sort of activity where we don't just summarily execute people we actually present evidence and convict them yeah that's the.
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Way it normally goes but no miss machado says oh no that's not true he really is involved in this same interview this nobel peace prize laureate which you gotta kinda look at the nobel people funny right she publicly endorsed the military strikes on her country in an interview with fox of course of course she talked to fox she told maria bartiromo that trump is stopping the war and ending the war that maduro started is what she told maria bartiromo this sunday again she real easy to book for somebody that's supposed to supposed to be in hiding she says he's absolutely maduro behind the drug smuggling vessels that are approaching us waters here's her quote everybody knows maduro is the head of the biggest drug cartel cartel of the suns also the head of the trend aragua a criminal network that has committed crimes in the us canada down to argentina and chile there's no evidence of that just like there was no evidence against iraq but she has said previously that the most important thing to know is that venezuela has unlimited you know citgo is venezuelan oil that they have unlimited oil and that they will privatize it and put it into the hands of americans presumably right understand that in iraq exxon mobil chevron bp shell the west's largest oil companies are in iraq now the results of that war was not liberation for the iraqis it was oil contracts for american oil giants it was a reconstruction contract for dick cheney's company they want it in iran in the nineteen fifties because they also have huge proven oil reserves but none are i don't even know if they're as big as venezuela venezuela has massive proven oil reserves so therefore trump is pulling in iraq for the exact same reason dick cheney and them wanted iraq he's pulling in iraq for the same reason iraq happened the oil oil and by the way this is not me just saying this just because i'm an anti trump person even though i'm deeply anti trump trump says it because donald trump's brain don't work so good so he just admits it here he is in twenty twenty four just admitting that he.
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Wants the oil how about we're buying oil from venezuela when i left venezuela was ready to collapse we would have taken it up we would have gotten all that oil it would have been.
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Right next door he's saying we want to get the oil and while they're doing that and preparing to do this war for oil there they're letting these same oil companies drill in alaska in our precious wilderness they're letting them run wild throughout the united states i wouldn't be surprised if they're drilling in yellowstone next they're preparing to turn over our timber our natural parks to whichever of trump's billionaire friends want to use and destroy that he's dismantling the country and selling it for parts the same way we've dismantled iraq and sold it for parts the way we wanted to destroy and sell iran off for parts the way that we wanted everything vietnam you name every single war it's about american billionaires and the billionaire class wanting to eat off someone else's lives destroy their lives destroy their poor destroy their people make them hungry and turn them into essentially desperate savages who then can be used for labor however we want donald trump is literally turning this country right back to where it was when george w bush left it even the screw up on katrina he's basically failed to help the people in california he's saying i'm not gonna help y' all out maryland had massive flooding he won't even give him any money donald trump even is having his katrina moment god forbid this hurricane that's about to hit the caribbean hit the united states if it hits a blue city he's not even going to help them he's made that very clear he operates like a gangster and he's using the exact same tactics that george w bush's administration used to silence dissent when he was prosecuting his forever war on terror in fact trump is using the exact same emergency powers his project twenty twenty five uses the same unitary executive theory do you remember that that was actually first heard at least by me when professor john yoon put it forward during george w bush's term the unitary executive this executive that's all powerful that started under bush it was bush's doj that fired maybe a dozen us attorneys for refusing to find phony voter fraud cases they tried to spy on americans without warrants reading our library material they were spying on knitting circles that were anti war old ladies and you know who rushed in to try to defend our civil liberties when the bush administration tried to spy on us without warrants and who rushed to attorney general john ashcroft's bedside to stop them james comey james comey we just call him comey the homie because he rushed to the bedside of the then attorney general to say y' all can't spy on americans the father of the woman who prosecuted the district which is why diddy's gonna get a pardon james comey and okay i'm make it even worse i'm making worse you know who the fbi director was back then during the war on terror robert mueller robert of the mueller report that's why donald trump hates robert mueller robert mueller was literally the fbi director during this and if you recall again we were losing our civil liberties then the same conversations we're having about trump now we were having about bush at the time that he was acting like a monarch that pelosi was acting like a monarch patriot act the patriot act literally and you know who signed on to that crap the only reason by the way we have pelosi the reason we got an historic speaker speaker pelosi in two thousand six was because hurricane katrina was such a devastating failure and bush's reaction to it that there was a midterm sweep of democrats and they and it swept pelosi into power that's why we had a first female speaker but yeah the patriot act the forever war most of the democrats went along with it most of them voted for it because they were so afraid of saying no everyone was putting their flag pins on the media was terrified i got out of media because of this it was literally like the mccarthyism age you couldn't speak out against it you couldn't say you were against the war you weren't allowed to speak there was no free speech during bush people during that election in zero four the one i worked on the other side you had to sign loyalty pledges to george w bush do y' all remember this the evangelicals were acting the exact same way and bush was promising them what was he promising them that he was gonna overturn roe v wade he just didn't do it because he was at least smart enough not to try to do that and unleash a civil war in the country the one member of congress who voted no against that war barbara lee barbara lee the current mayor of oakland who we had on this show she was the only one who had the courage to vote no against the war on terror she was alone and got death threat threats because of it and they started with afghanistan and eventually just moved that shit right over to iraq bush is the one who started this idea of the unitary executive nixon tried it when a president does it it's not illegal that was nixon his same people then wind up in george w bush's administration even before that herbert walker bush's administration was the first one to take media along on a war and make them report the way they want them to report it then bush the junior w his fbi was spying on anti war protesters taking away our civil liberties suppressing journalists suppressing dissent and leading an evangelical white evangelical christian base exact same thing it's literally homeland security all of that homeland security there there wouldn't homeland security was invented because of this the department of homeland security which i think sounds way too german for me it's giving weimar republic the department of homeland security was created thank you to my producer who was created because of george w bush and the so called war on terror and it's still here and it is now where ice is you see where all this is the same the federalist society the producers of project twenty twenty five stacked bush's supreme court remember harriet myers george w bush tried to be a little bit independent and put his own lady up there a friend of his harriet myers they were like hell no they came down on him like a box of they threw a box of bricks on his head and he had to withdraw her and put in one of the heritage foundation people honestly the only real difference between bush and trump as far as i'm concerned is that when his term was over bush left and in some ways with some regrets he's now like painting he feels bad about all the people who died in his fakie war on terror he didn't want to pardon scooter libby's scooter libby who was one of dick cheney's henchmen he refused to pardon him and he and dick cheney stopped speaking because this guy scooter libby was trying to frame an ambassador that was telling the truth that there was no yellow cake coming from niger but trump on the other hand well he's taking the unitary executive thing to the next level cuz he ain't leaving y' all the global cartel that he's putting together is making him and his tech bro billionaire friends they're building up a surveillance state thanks to his billionaire friends his oil and gas friends are drilling up and eating up the country's resources from the alaska all the way to wherever his crypto friends are enriching him making him finally into a billionaire the failed real estate guy's finally a billionaire off of crypto everyone's making crypto money we don't know how many members of congress are also betting in the crypto market the bankers and insurance companies eating eating eating everybody's eating except you the people who need food assistance the people who need health care y' all not eating if you need rent y' all not eating they're eating all of these same billionaires the billionaire class that's been trying to take over this country that threatened to take it by force during fdr because fdr had the nerve to try to let regular people eat they wanted to overthrow him and give us a furor in the nineteen thirties maybe including one of the bush people their kin they tried to overthrow fdr because they didn't like the fact that this multimillionaire a billionaire at that level at the time a rich man turned against his own class and said i'm going to do some stuff to make sure regular people can eat during this depression that y' all caused he turned against his class did all of this new deal stuff and by the way he was president for life recall even that he was president for life he was four terms cuz there was nothing in the constitution that said he couldn't be he ran four times both russia stalin and the united states fdr we had a president for life which is trump is also trying to recreate but he did it and used his four terms to let people eat trump is unleashing the billionaire class to gobble up and eat up every single thing in this country to eat our natural resources to eat the money the tax cuts is a giant rebate to them they don't pay taxes they get rebates you pay you have to fund it i have a chart i have to find this chart jason i'm going to find this chart it is a chart that will show you the difference between what it will cost to fund your health care versus what it will cost there it is y' all look at this chart thanks to karen finney for this chart the tax cuts that you paid for for the billionaire class will cost us four point five trillion dollars that is the cost to you your grandchildren's grandchildren will be paying this off thanks to janweek nine thousand three hundred forty seven for the tip we appreciate it thank you very much four point five trillion at the way bottom in the middle that's tcja that is the tax cut bill that was passed in twenty seventeen it's a weird way that this chart was set up but combined those two things are what you're going to be paying for the tax cuts okay the yellow and the red line are what you are paying for these tax cuts to extend them is one point nine trillion on top the trump tax cuts are four point five trillion dollars that's what you owe for the rest of your natural life and your grandchildren's natural life look at the little tiny blue thing that is what it would cost to extend those subsidies republicans are saying we can afford the red line and the yellow line but not the blue line the blue line is for you the blue line is what you get debt if they extend the subsidies that's three hundred sixty million dollars with an m the tax cuts are one point nine trillion to extend and four i mean one point nine trillion initially that was the initial cost of the tax cuts when they were passed in twenty seventeen okay and again i want to explain again both the subsidies in the blue line blue bar and the yellow bar of the twenty seventeen tax cuts were passed to be temporary they were passed to be temporary in order to make the math work in order to make that yellow line that short they made them temporary and they made the aca subsidies temporary the blue and the yellow were meant to be temporary and if you extend them then they get a little bit taller the red line is what it costs to make the yellow thing permanent the yellow line for those who are listening in the podcast we have a yellow bar that is one point nine trillion dollars a middle bar that is yellow one point nine trillion was the initial cost of the trump tax cuts ninety percent eighty percent of it went to the richest americans one thousand billionaires in the country got most of it the majority of that money it didn't yes small you know why farmers like trump because most farmers are small business people and the value of their farms is normally north of a million dollars so they got a tax cut that's why they like trump that's why they like tax cuts right because the value of your farm if it's more than a million dollars you got a nice juicy tax cut now you lost your markets because they done giving them no way to argentina you can't sell your soybeans now but you got that tax cut four point five trillion is what it costs to make them permanent your little subsidies is nothing three hundred sixty million dollars it's nothing but they won't pay for that because we can't afford it everybody's eating except you stop the steal man stop the steal it's time for us to say it and say it with our chest stop the steal because they're stealing from you do you understand that the billionaire class has been trying to steal from you literally since they got shut down by the income tax in nineteen thirteen before that they were eating freely in the gilded age trump's favorite era there was no income tax they just got this ate for free forever there was no requirement to get okay let's move on let me play for you that this is not just here they're doing it all over the world this is c thirteen here are two americans talking about their big plans for the middle east.
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We'Re working with a group of people who have been working on master plans.
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For the last two years so there.
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Are plans already we have plans already we have a master plan already and by the way and jared's been pushing this and we're working together look at.
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Jared'S face like dude why are you telling he's like why are you snitching stop snitching so they got master plans for gaza too i've heard there's natural gas off gaza and it's real estate that he said is prime real estate and i also remind you that's why they want greenland there's rare earth minerals under there trump wants to control that too it's all the same thing they're glad that the ice is melting in alaska more oil under there trump and his billionaire goonies they have master plans to run this entire earth in gangster capitalist fashion it's an international gangster capitalist syndicate and it used to include one more member jeffrey fucking epstein used to be a part of this syndicate only he was the guy bribing the billionaires to make sure that he had something enough on them to do the willing to do the bidding of whoever he was answering to this is not just happening in the us it's europe it's the middle east it's all over and while trump is happily planning his epstein ballroom and his fuhrer bunker and plotting a war to install a puppet president in venezuela like putin used to have in ukraine and take their oil and they're not paying for food stamps not paying snap benefits not paying health care and all that stuff they're also making the argument that forget the forty two million americans on staff forget the twenty two million americans who need obamacare forget all of that forget all of that we're gonna make sure we pay these troops though because we don't want a military coup we're gonna take this one hundred thirty million dollars from mister mellon and by the way just let me debunk mellon is not directly linked to epstein that we know of i know that was going around but mellon bank which his family doesn't own anymore they are one of the banks that paid a massive settlement to the epstein victims but his bank which has merged with bank of america it's not related to epstein directly so just be careful with that that's some misinformation that's been going around but i do want to play for you one of the people who is benefiting from this the most because the idea of having a king is always about the benjamins it's about money and they know and congress is going to look the other way they're not going to do anything john roberts wants a king he wanted one in two thousand he wants one now there's no one to stop this no one unless congress gets back to being normal and they start stopping this that's the only way let me play governor pritzker warning.
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What this is well the broader goal i believe is the militarization of major american cities before the twenty twenty six elections let me be clear about what's going on on the streets of chicago they have dressed ice and cbp in fatigues put them in military gear including with automatic weapons and had them marching up and down major streets in downtown chicago it's a signal that they're trying to send that it's okay to have troops on your street that this would be a welcome thing for people who live in chicago nobody here welcomes it by the way i mean literally as they're walking down the street people are yelling at them but they think they can get people used to the idea and next year i fear that what they're going to do is deploy these folks eventually to polling places and say they're protecting the vote donald trump knows that without shenanigans and without these breaches of the constitution that he's going to lose the congress and if he loses he's going to immediately in the aftermath of the election do what he said he might do in twenty twenty which is use the military to confiscate the ballot boxes and count the votes claiming that there's fraud remember he's called up up all fifty states election data to the department of justice because they want to review all fifty states for fraud and they won't tell you exactly what they're going to do but i fear that these are all connected and this militarization even without national guard or military troops on the ground you're seeing ice act like a militaristic organization you're seeing cbp act like it one more thing cbp i want to remind you the customs and border patrol they're supposed to only operate within about one hundred miles of a border we're not anywhere near a border here in chicago so how can they operate here well they're claiming that lake michigan the shores of lake michigan in chicago those shores are the border of the united states and but but canada is an awful long way from here across lake michigan so we know that they're using it again as a pretext they want cbp here those are the folks that you saw in uniform marching up and down the streets greg bevino who led the effort in los angeles for the customs and border patrol and ice is leading the effort here in chicago and you saw what happened in los angeles they incited people and they're doing that here in chicago we want them i mean if they're going to do that they got to go we honestly they got got to get the hell out of chicago if that is their aim but that is what donald trump i believe is trying to incite it so they can bring more troops in invoke the insurrection act and militarize chicago and other major cities.
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That is what's happening and in addition to that i want to note that dominion voting machines dominion voting systems which was the subject of so much sturm and drawing among republicans and so much paranoia has now been purchased by a trump fan a former republican election official john poulos confirmed john poulos the former dominion ceo confirmed the sale in a statement this company called liberty vote which is a trump fan they now own the largest voting machine company in the country here's gavin newsom also saying wake the hell up y' all this is.
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A plot wake up america wake up you will not have a country if he rigs this election you will have a president will be running for a third term mark my word i wasn't exaggerating when i said that i received in the mail a trump twenty twenty eight hat from one of his biggest supporters these guys are not screwing around the rules do not apply to him the most corrupt president in history he doesn't believe in free enterprise crony capitalism he is wrecking this country wrecking the economy he's a lawless president wake up america wake up to what's going on.
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Here'S steve bannon just saying the thing secretary hegseth.
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Well he's going to get a third term so trump twenty eight trump is going to be president in twenty eight and people just ought to get accommodated with that so what about the twenty second amendment there's many different alternatives at the appropriate time we'll lay out what the plan is but there's a plan and president trump will be the president in twenty eighteen we had longer odds in sixteen and longer odds in twenty four than we got in twenty eight and president trump will be the president of the united states and the country needs him to be president of the united states we have to finish what we started and the way we finish it trump is a vehicle i know this will drive you guys crazy but he's a vehicle of divine providence he's an instrument he's very imperfect he's not churchy not particularly religious but he's an instrument of divine will and you can tell this of how we've how he's pulled this off we need him for at least one more term right and he'll get that in twenty.
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Eight you're not driving me crazy i'm really i'm trying to understand the coherence of the things you've just told me in the last few minutes on the one hand you've said the constitution is fit for purpose secondly you've said that president trump needs another term even though the twenty second amendment makes pretty clear that he cannot have a second why.
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Does it make that clear because he's on his second term already at some point in time we will make sure we go through zani and define all.
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Those terms but even even if you would define all those terms to undermine you will be undermining the spirit of that amendment even if you find some way around it and to those can.
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The american people can the american people if the american people with the mechanisms we have put trump back in office are the american people tearing up the constitution would that be tearing up would they would the american people be going against the spirit of the constitution ma'.
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Am i think yes actually because i think what you are going to what you will end up with so you're saying the american people justification for a quasi dictatorship that's not true at all trump works for us that's what it.
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Sounds like trump is dictatorship did you just see the compromises he had to make on the big beautiful bill you see the compromises he has to do on everything on accommodating zelensky on what president trump president trump is nothing but a series of negotiations to kind of keep this thing rolling forward where he's having trade offs all the time please.
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Give me please give me twenty minutes telling me we have to smash the other side there's no room for debate there's no room for compromise we must smash them and now you're telling me this is a negotiation i mean that's.
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No no no it's kind of tension first off the only way president trump wins in twenty twenty eight and continues to stay in office is by the will of the american people okay and the will of the american people is what the constitution embodies and so i think we're going to be we're going to be in good hands and there we need to finish what we started and president trump is the instrument a providential instrument to finish that to finish.
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This job and what is the job the job is to ensure that the super rich that the billionaire class has total control over the country and that they smash all dissent i want to note let me play another one let's play pete hegseth talking about how they're going to to physically stop descent what.
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They have sir a memo circulating on social media details the establishment of a national guard response force that's going to be trained in crowd control and civil.
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Unrest and deployed in all fifty states by april of twenty twenty six can.
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You verify the authenticity of that memo.
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And do you have any more information.
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On the operations i'm not going to answer particulars on something that may be in the planning process process but we definitely do have multiple layers of national guard response forces whether it's in each state whether it's regionally whether it's title ten active duty whether it's washington dc we've got a lot of different ways that constitutionally and legally we can employ title ten and title thirty two forces and we will do so when necessary.
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And that's him saying yes and by the way to those in the chat i agree that i love british journalists because they don't play the games that american american journalists do that british journalist she said no you're gonna answer this question and she got in him and that was excellent a great interview of steve bannon and by the way when donald trump heads back into his fuhrer bunker and unleashes the military crackdown on the us that hegset just described to ensure that he doesn't have to face reelection the press coverage at the pentagon is gonna be handled by the pillow guy the pillow guy the next generation of journalists after the real journalists left and walked out and were like we're not gonna play games with y' all it's the the pillow guys media outlet lindell tv the right wing website's gateway pundit human events the post millennial just the news the national pulse and the epoch times which by the way is the media arm of the falun gong right wing religious cult whose main purpose is to oppose the communist government in china you've probably seen a lot of their papers everywhere if you do a google search they are always the top thing that comes back epic times spends a ton of money they're based in new york but yeah that's who's gonna be covering the pentagon now so who's gonna even report on the truth there's gonna be no real outlets there even fox said no to the propaganda game we're almost done i know we're going a little bit long yeah the pillow guy's got his own media outlet and then i wanna lastly the last thing i wanna play for you guys before we let you go is the way that they're justifying all this you heard steve bannon say trump was a providential instrument they're using people's religiosity america is the most religious western nation and so finally the billionaire class have figured out the trick to get americans to accept an autocracy in which or a plutocracy in which the super rich run the country operate the government the government is just a duma that rubber stamps and keeps handing money to super rich people and they don't pay taxes that is the government they're trying to create and they use religion as an opiate of the masses as karl marx used to say here is peter thiel who is the real boss of jd vance who's been going around the country giving lectures on the antichrist i promise you that's what he's been doing here he is one of the an interview he's done.
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During this is my my my very specific question for you right is that you are you're you're an you're an investor in ai you're you know you're deeply invested in palantir in military technology in technologies of surveillance and technologies of.
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Warfare and so on right and it just seems to me that when you tell me a story about the antichrist.
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Coming to power and using the fear of technological change to sort of impose order on the world i feel like that antichrist would be maybe be using the tools that you were building right like wouldn't the antichrist be like great.
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You know we're not going to have.
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Any more technological progress but i really like what palantir has done so far right i mean isn't that a concern wouldn't that be the irony of history would be that the man publicly worrying about the antichrist accidentally hastens his or her arrival look there are all these different scenarios i obviously don't think that that's what i'm doing i mean to be clear i don't think that's what you're doing either i'm just interested in how you get to a world willing to submit to permanent authoritarian rule well but again there are these different gradations of this we can describe but is this so preposterous what i've just told you as a broad account of the stagnation that the entire world has submitted for fifty years to peace and safetyism this is one thessalonians five three the slogan of the antichrist is peace and safety and we've submitted who is who's.
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Always talking about peace and safety saying they've ended multiple wars and they're going to end crime if we're talking about thessalonians and the antichrist being somebody who's constantly talking about peace and safety who would that be what national or international figure might be doing that and also peter thiel doesn't look well his coloration and elon musk are about the same it's like a sort of a weird gray why do they both look and sound like that and then they glitch when they talk it's like they can't talk they're both these weird guys let me play another bit this is a second piece of him talking about the antichrist and expounding a little bit more on his thinking about what the antichrist.
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Wants to do we have the mechanisms that would make world government a gigantic global surveillance state is plausible that seems plausible too and then i think again to come back to the solobief benson plot hole on its own they both seem not that desirable why would we have a crazy surveillance state.
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Why would.
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We do this but if you're scared enough if you're scared enough of these things that's the weapon and this is sort of where you know my speculative thesis is that if the antichrist were to come to power it would be by talking about armageddon all the time peter thiel the antichrist would talk about armageddon all the time he'd scare people and then offer to save them yes it's the first thessalonians five three the slogan of the antichrist is peace and safety and so which is nothing wrong with peace and safety but you have to sort of imagine that it resonates very differently in a world where the stakes are so absolute where the stakes are so extreme where the alternative to peace and safety is armageddon and the destruction of all things that's where peace and safety gets you way more than it would have in seventeen fifty rene rene girard in i saw satan fall like lightning one of his books the antichrist boasts a bringing to human beings the peace and tolerance that christianity promised but has failed to deliver yeah there are probably i think there are all these elements where it's downstream from christianity you can think of the poor shall inherit the earth sermon on the mount marxist theory is we're going to be more christian we're going to accelerate it we're going to bring it about faster so there is yeah the antichrist probably presents as a great humanitarian as a great you know it's redistributive as an extremely great philanthropist as an effective altruist you know all of those kinds of things and these things are not you know simply anti but it is always when they get overly combined with state power that something is very wrong there are sort of ways christ wants to unify the world you have the parable of the good samaritan where you should take care of people even if you're not related to them it's good to act like the good samaritan and to take care of people not just in your family or tribe or country but then if you force everyone to be a good samaritan and you force a borderless world it's somehow adjacent somehow it's an intensification but it's somehow also very.
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Much the opposite you see what he's saying there he's saying altruism and goodness and trying to help people take care of the poor take care of your neighbor take care of people in your country or not in your family that altruism is satanic that is where the antichrist comes from and when he says has forced people to be generous meaning taxation what he has essentially been saying in these lectures is that taxing people like peter thiel is antichrist behavior that taxing them and forcing people to pay for the commons meaning health care that's in the commons medicaid medicare that is what the super rich have always said they've always said that what's evil that fdr did was to force the entire country to pay taxes in order to ensure that no one went without help health care and could retire in dignity they believe that that is evil and satanic and now peter thiel has put it into a doctrine that essentially says if you tax me you're the antichrist but having a giant surveillance state and constantly having donald trump talking about being the only one who can bring peace and safety no no that's not the antichrist at all he then later goes on to say greta thunberg is probably the antichrist i'm gonna stop there y' all we gotta play a moment of joy i hope i hope that you guys have enjoyed this my doctrine on how george w bush and donald trump are effectively doing the exact same thing but it goes back even further it goes all the way back to really nineteen thirteen the first time that we had a major income tax when the super rich have been trying since then and especially since fdr to undo and break down the twentieth century system that created the middle class that makes it possible for you to not die poor in this country that gives you a floor under you they want that garbage they want to remove the taxes upon themselves remove all regulation they want to drill coal gut they want to destroy the country physically and then move on to wherever their next place is just the way those white south africans used up south africa and then moved on to here and peter thiel is one of those white south africans they literally want to use up our country like an old dirty dish rag and then move on to the next civilization they can eat up and eat and eat and eat they are relentless and their hunger never ends like vampires well remember elon wants to get to mars now that's and then they want to go to mars when they're all done right then they'll go to mars eat that up drill that up destroy that up and they want to live forever and do this for the all of time and donald trump is their instrument who's always talking about peace and safety peter thiel trump trump is the one who says only i can protect you i am your vengeance i will get rid of crime i will fight all of your enemies trump is the one doing that if anyone's acting antichrist behavior it's your boy donald trump that you paid for and your boy jd vance was the last person to see the pope alive all right we're gonna play our moment of joy guys thank you very much we didn't have time to do a whole q and a but we will do a q and a coming up on the show appreciate everybody in the chat and now it is election day in new york city please get out there and vote i'm openly rooting for mom donnie because i think we need a change the only thing that will stop these billionaires is for us to use our our final year when we know we have free and fair elections that's this year this might be our last chance we have got to do everything we can to put a house of representatives in place that will fight him by taking off take cutting off trump's coins cutting off his allowance and we've got to get mayors and governors in place that will fight him we cannot have appeasers appeasing didn't work in the thirties it will not work now it will not work we've got to have fighters so please vote if you're in new york city you can vote there and make sure that you vote in all these elections the democrats ain't perfect but the republicans are rolling with the people in the nazi group chat let's play our moment of joy and it of course is about mamdani the guy that the right wants to denaturalize.
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Together new york we're going to freeze the together new york we're going to make buses fast and together new york we're going to deliver universal we will make our city one where every person who calls it home can live.
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A dignified life amen amen let's make it so that every city in this country is a place where we can live dignified lives billionaires we are not going to allow you to steal our futures we are going to stop the steal thank y' all for watching be sure to hit like and subscribe see you on the next the joy reid show thanks to everybody who bought merch and is shouting me out appreciate y' all see you on the next joy reid show peace.