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Joy Reid
Oh, Lord. Happy. What is it today? Happy Monday. It feels like It's Friday the 13th, but it's just April 13th. But happy Monday, everybody. Welcome to the Joy Reed Show. Big ups to everyone. Oh, that is at watching us on all the different platforms. Why is this making noise? Because you have audio noise. Okay, Just turn it off. Watching on YouTube, substack, Facebook, and also our Twitchies on Twitch. I actually met one of our Twitches over the weekend, Metatuchi, in person. So it was great meeting you as well as all those listening on audio podcast platforms like Apple, Spotify. Be sure to hit that like and share button. Help spread the word and help us out with the algorithm. We are climbing our way toward 500,000 subscribers on YouTube, 250,000 on Substack, we are way over 300. We're almost at 400 on Twitch. We've got a whole bunch on Facebook. We're doing all the things. So thank you to everybody and our amazing readers, our team TJRS members, just appreciate each and every one of you. Hope you had a great weekend. Okay, I'm sure, I'm sure you're noticing as I'm talking to you, my fabulous spec, the fabulous glasses. And they happen to be part of a promotion that we are starting this week today, leading all the way up through Mother's Day. Now, as you know, I do love a good pair of glasses, right? Even though I got. I got the eye surgery, I still like glasses. I still need them. I need readers. I just love specs. I love frames. I think they're fabulous. I'm really excited to share something new with you guys. This is secrets that only you TJRS fans will know. I have been working on my very own line of glasses. A lot of you guys in the chats have been saying we want you to have some readers. So I've been working on my very own line of glasses. And over the next few days, I'm going to be introducing three, three of my very favorite frames, which are available exclusively@shopredbag.com which we introduced to you on the show last year, shopredbag.com through our partnership with Vontel Eyewear. Now, if you do not know Vontel. They were founded by two brilliant black women who set out to fix something real. You know, something that actually fit our faces. Wider bridges, longer temples, proportions that are designed like to be comfort comfortable. You feel confident, you know, they don't like pinch on your face, you know, they like slide down your face and everything like that. Well, these glasses don't do that because they're designed literally for our faces. When you shop@shopredbag.com you are not only buying something beautiful and investing in the same kind of businesses that are being attacked by this regime. You're also buying wonderful, beautiful things and investing in brands and creators that reflect our communities and reinvest in them. Minority owned businesses, women owned businesses, all that's@shopredback.com and Vontel is one of those minority women owned businesses. Right? So this is why we're partnering with vontel and shopredbag.com to do this. All right, so here's what we're doing. This is what I'm going to be doing all this week. I'm going to be wearing a different pair of frames or trying on for you a different pair of frames in each show. Okay. All this week. And I want to know what you think. Which ones do you love? Which ones, you know, which ones speak to you? Which ones do you think should be sort of a basis for the design we're going to do? Now, the pair that I'm wearing right now is called Ramari Beard in the Block. This is the box. The box is actually really fabulous. It's called the Block 2, 1972. That's the frame that I'm wearing right now. And so what I love about this is it's not just like art, it's also history and culture. If you've heard of Romari Bearden, the artist, Romari Bearden. This glasses frame is design is based on a design by artist Romari Bearden and it's made in collaboration with the Bearden Foundation. So they honor an artist who capture the beauty and complexity of the black experience through collage. Which you can see the spirit of that right here. It's fabulous. So let me know what you think. Do you like the block too? Would love to hear your thoughts. And this is what I want you to do. Grab a quick pick of the screen right now. So I'm gonna give you a moment. Let me do this pick and look fabulous. Take a picture. Yeah, Keep the light out of it. Keep your head down just a little. Yeah. Lift the frames up a little bit
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Bishop William J. Barber
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Joy Reid
There we go. Take a picture. Fabulous. Okay, now I want you guys to take a picture, right? Write down the block two, number two, and just save that picture. Just push it to the side. I'm gonna have a different pair of glasses from Vontel Eyewear on on Wednesday, and then on Friday. And then once you've seen all three, we're gonna let you guys vote on which frame you like the best. And this is gonna help me figure out, like, how my personalized readers ought to look. Right? And if you love the block, too, you can get your own fabulous pair@shopredbag.com, because we love you and you're part of our community. You can, you can use the code Joy, Joy at checkout. And they're going to give you 10% off on your order. Okay? So that's that. I'm going to take the glasses off because I don't want to be in shades for the rest of the day. But these are fabulous. Yeah, there's so much light in those, honey. They're fabulous. Okay, so let's just get to the start of the show. So the headlines, as you all know, Donald, Donald Trump's mental health is, like, clearly questionable. Like, clearly he's not. He's not well. Okay? Harry Sisson reported earlier today that he's been maniacally posting to his fake Twitter, like, all night and all morning long. Like, he's unhinged. On Sunday, he posted, like, every hour on the hour. Like, he was just posting and posting and posting and posting. Harry Sisson has been reporting on it. And of course, on Sunday, when he wasn't, you know, posting himself as Jesus, which we're going to get to later in the show, the madman in chief, he announced that the US Is going to blockade the Strait of Hormuz after talks held in Pakistan to try to end the war he started has hit the skids. Now, Trump has been on social media just losing his mind, particularly with that Jesus post with what looked like demons floating above him. I guess he thinks they look like troops, which he. I'm going to tell you later on the excuse that he used to try to do it and saying he's going to burn Iranian civilization to the ground. All wild. So we spoke earlier today with somebody great to talk to, Jeffrey Sachs. We spoke to him about this. And also the other big loss for the regime in Hungary, where J.D. vance's campaign trip, you know, to stump for Viktor Orban, ended in disaster. So we're going to talk about that later in the show. We're going to play you that interview with Jeffrey Sachs, okay? But what I want to talk about right now, before we get to all of that, is what's happening in the great state of California. Because I am afeared. I hadn't been really worrying about California, but now I'm like, panicking. I think we're all panicking. So back on April 9, let me show you this headline. This is the headline. And it showed that they have a jungle primary in California, meaning that instead of voting with a Democratic primary and a Republican primary separately, everyone goes into one big primary. They call it a jungle primary, and then the top two, regardless of their party, emerge and they go to the general. So if the top two are both Democrats, the top two are both Republicans, regardless of party, those two go to the finish line. On April 9, they reported in this magazine, Governor's Magazine, that of the top three candidates, two of them were Republicans. Let's just put up this next post. This is going to show you who the top three were. The top three were two Republicans. You can see it up close there. Two Republicans. A guy named Chad Bianco, a sheriff Steve Hilton we've told you about on this, on this show. He's sort of a Brexiteering Britain British MAGA who Trump has endorsed. And Eric Swalwell was the top Democrat who broke out of the field. You can see on the right side of your screen a very, very big field of people. And the only Democrat who was sort of, you know, sort of coming up to the top was Eric Swalwell, the congressman from California, who was literally just on this show last week talking about his race. Well, since then, and literally days after he was on here with us, he was accused of sexually assaulting a former staffer with whom he had had sexual relations. And it wasn't long before it was not just one staffer, but four. I mean, we had literally just had him on the show. And then on Friday evening, he put out the following video.
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Eric Swalwell
Here it is about me today through anonymous allegations. And I thought it was important that you see and hear from me directly. These allegations of sexual assault are flat false. They are absolutely false. They did not happen. They have never happened. And I will fight them with everything that I have. They also come on the eve of an election where I have been the frontrunner candidate for governor in California. I do not suggest to you in any way that I am perfect or that I am a saint. I have certainly made mistakes in judgment in my past, but those mistakes are between Me and my wife. And to her, I apologize deeply for putting her in this position. I also apologize to you if in any way you have doubted your support for me. But I think you know who I am. For over 20 years, I have served the public as a city councilman, as a member of Congress, and as a prosecutor who went to court on behalf of victims, particularly on behalf of sexual assault victims. That's who I am and have always been. This weekend, I'm going to spend time with my family and friends, and I appreciate those who have reached out to me to show support. And I look forward to updating you very soon.
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Joy Reid
So that didn't last long. That didn't last long because as more sort of allegations started coming out, all of the support that Eric Swalwell had evaporated. And it wasn't long before he first suspended his campaign. And now we get to this part where he is not only he's not only suspended his campaign, he's resigning from Congress. You see it on the screen right now. So first he suspended his campaign. I was gonna show that to me, but what's the point at this point? Not only that, but with threats of being suspended from Congress. There was a vote and Democrats were already saying they would vote to suspend him from Congress. So here is his resignation. Not just getting out of the campaign, but actually resigning from Congress. I'm deeply sorry to my family, staff and constituents who for mistakes and judgment I've made in my past. I will fight the serious false allegations made against me. However, I must take responsibility and ownership for the mistakes I did make. I'm aware of efforts to bring an immediate expulsion vote against me and other members. Expelling anyone with Congress without due process within days of an allegation being made is wrong. But it's also wrong for my constituents to have have me distracted from my duties. Therefore, I plan to resign my seat in Congress. I will work with my staff in the coming days to ensure they are able, in my absence, to serve the needs of the good people of the 14th congressional district. Okay, so this life comes at you fast. Life comes at you fast. Now we know the identity of at least one of the accusers. This is a four. One of the accusers who actually became non. Anonymous. She is a former. She used to be, I think back in the day, she used to be maga. She voted for Trump way back in the day. And then she became a Kamala Harris supporter. Name is Ali Samarco. She's a social media, very prominent social media presence. And she Also happens to be the wife of a former DNC staffer who's a pretty well known sort of social media presence himself, who's been defending her publicly. She came out publicly and said, yes, she's one of the accusers. And you know, all kinds of conspiracy theories started. People started accusing her of taking money from Roger Stone, who, you know, actually posted about this after she did. And it just became really a mess. A lot of conspiracy. People feeling like it was an Al Franken style smear campaign. To be sure he has not been accused of a crime. These are just allegations. He has not been convicted of a crime. And so people were smelling a rat. Right. Because this came like within 48 hours, I think within 24 hours of the Melania moment where she came out and did a press conference. People are like, wait a minute, what's going on? It definitely felt really sort of conspiratorial. Not to mention the fact that Republicans for the first time have a really clean shot at grabbing the governorship of California, which, let me be very clear, would be a disaster. A disaster particularly heading into 2028. Not to mention. Right. Because you know, California is a slow counting state. Put that state in the hands of a MAGA Republican. I don't know how that turns out. Not to mention what a Republican MAGA governor in a 40% Latino majority state would do to turn on the ice fire hose on his own people. Right. A a cooperating California governor. This is a dream come true for maga, A right wing governor, a Trumper who's willing to turn on the spigot and start to do to immigrants in his own state. Churn it up, crank up the ice machine, willingly not fight it. Let the police get involved. Think about the LAPD or other police agencies being ordered by the guy. I mean this, there's nothing about this that's not a disaster. Okay, this is why he said, this is why I said I'm internally like freaking out about. So supporters and donors though had been dropping like he's, he's cooked, like very clear. Right. So he suspends his campaign, then he drops out of the campaign. I will note that I have reached out to Representative Swalwell, soon to be former Representative Swalwell, to see if he'd like to come back on the show and address these claims by these various women. Again, they're now just allegations. But this is what's happening and I just want to give you guys one little piece of background on this. Ali Simarco coming out about this was kind of the Denouement of what had been a building campaign to get this information out. From my now understanding, from what I've been able to learn behind the scenes, there had been social media creators who were trying to get this information out as early as last November. As early as last November. Some of which you've heard of people who are saying, hey, this guy's got a problem. Not sure he should still be going so far. Remember, this is a guy who ran for president. We never heard about this. This guy who's been a prominent congressperson who's been grilling members of the Trump regime, including about the Epstein files. Nothing has been said. The one sort of scandal that's been attached to him over the last several years is this what they call this Fang Fang conspiracy, where he had. It's not a conspiracy. Where he had had an alleged extramarital affair with a woman, a Chinese woman, who turned out to be a Chinese spy. Something he kind of brushed off. He did a Breakfast Club interview not long ago where he just brushed it off and said, yeah, they're just mad on the right that I'm a straight, heterosexual white male who's not with them. And he's been able to survive all of that, and my understanding is the reason he's been able to survive all that is because he was Nancy Pelosi's guy. And so even as the, you know, Fang Fang scandal, as the right likes to call it, was bubbling up, he was able to get on key committees on the Gang of Eight because he had the support of the then speaker, and so he was able to overcome it. Kevin McCarthy. I came across a 20, 23 sort of press availability. He did like a walk and talk in the Capitol in which he's saying the two people you don't want to put on key committees are Matt Gaetz and Eric Swalwell. Nobody picked it up. I've had Eric Swalwell on my shows going back years. Never picked it up. Never heard anything like this. You definitely heard about Matt Gaetz. Even if you didn't live in Florida, you'd heard about Matt Gaetz only if you're teenagers around, but you hadn't heard it about him. I talked to some, you know, folks who worked in the hair and makeup room. That's a lot of times where the skeevies, the people who have the sort of skeevy behaviors will show themselves nothing. But again, they apparently were not the people that he was fraternizing with. The people that this fraternization allegedly was happening were on his own Staff. And then today, as this is now coming out, all of a sudden, now you're hearing, oh, yeah, lots of people knew about this. I'm like, really? It would have been nice if maybe this had been raised within the Democratic Party. Because the question that I have is really in many ways not about Eric Swalwell. I think we have to hold people accountable for sexual misconduct, whether they're a D or an R. That's the difference between Democrats and Republicans. Right? Republicans who are accused of things like this, number one, would never resign willingly from Congress. They just stay in and they get supported by their party and by their voters. Brett Kavanaugh, anyone on the Republican side, if they hear about something like this, they stand behind them 10 toes down, they actually might be like them more. Donald Trump has 25 named, we know their faces, accusers of sexual misconduct. And Republicans are like, we don't care about that. He said on tape that he could grab women by the pussy. They don't care about it. And Republican women voted for him, including apparently one of the current accusers, at least the first time that he ran for president. It didn't. It doesn't bother them at all. There is a Republican member of Congress who was going to be on that discharge a petition with or not discharge petition that petition to run them out of Congress alongside Eric Swalwell, whose name is Tony Gonzalez, who was accused of having sex with one of his staffers who later ended her own life. Is that guy running to resign from Congress? No. And if he was running for governor, Republicans would not only vote for him, they would dare us to say anything about Tony Gonzalez. They won't say anything about Trump. They don't care when these things happen. The difference is Democrats and takes them like five seconds to throw their guy under the, under the bus. They shove them out with a quickness. Maybe that's a good thing about Democrats. Right? But it also is a thing where they sometimes Al Frank in it too. Because my problem with the Democratic Party is, number one, I didn't know. I'm just over here, a little black girl doing media. I'm not in his circle socially. I just have him on my show. You all knew that there was issues with this guy. He ran for president. Y' all never said anything. Y' all never got it out there. You guys love to leak behind the scenes information and make sure that people know all the tu know. You sure didn't do it with this. You let this guy get to number three in a critical, can't lose gubernatorial primary. Where the other two, Jason, if you could put up a six. Are hideous for the civil rights and human rights of a vast majority of Californians. Either of these two guys would be a disaster for non white Californians, a disaster for women, a disaster for Latinos, a disaster for black Californians or about 6% of the state. A disaster for Asian Americans who live in California. A deportation, mass detention, abusive disaster. These are Trumpers and they are number one and two. And y' all didn't think it might have been helpful to maybe vet number three? Do you all not have an oppo research arm inside of the Democratic Governors Association? Does anybody do oppo research on the Democratic side? Do y' all just let these guys toddle on up to the front of the line and y' all don't think it's ever going to spill out? I learned over the weekend that there were people who were preparing huge amounts of oppo on the right to dump on this guy once he got closer to the primary. They were going to wait until right before the primary. There is video circulating that people claim may or may not be AI of him allegedly with, you know, prostitutes. We don't know if it's real. It might be AI at this point, you don't believe anything you see. But that was going to drop right before the primary. People start voting in California in May. Democratic Party. What is the plan here? My beef right now is not with the accusers. They have a right to have their stories heard. They have a right to have their day in court, and so does the congressman. This should all play out. Let it play out legally. Let it play out in an ethics investigation that now apparently isn't necessary because he's resigning. He needs to deal with these legal issues. And no offense, it's not that I don't care about his individual life, but what we really care about out here in these streets is that California doesn't go Republican. We put up a nine. You cannot become president as a Democrat without California. Do you see how many Electoral College votes they have? That number is 54. In the same way that if Republicans ever lost the 40 electoral college votes in Texas, they couldn't win an election. Same goes for Democrats and California. If you let California fall into the hands of somebody who we can't guarantee would run a free and fair election in the state of California, then you know what, Democrats, that would be on you if 20, 28 is cooked because you all let Eric Swalwell get to the front of the line without a simple basic oppo. Research that I'm in the media. A lot of these Democrats have my phone number. Y' all didn't think maybe y' all should leak to a sister that maybe there was some issues. Damn Democrats. I don't know what to do anymore. But joining me maybe is some folks who can help me out, because these Democrats are. I'm scratching my head, y'.
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Donald Trump
All.
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Joy Reid
I'm gonna pull out the rest of my little hairs. Joining me now is our wonderful friend Angela Ry, co host of Native Land POD and former chief general counsel to the Congressional Black Caucus and who knows about the travails of congressional staff and all the things that they have to go through in this world that can really get us to understand how these politics are working. Also want to bring on Dr. Nii Cordelai Corte. He is a. Oh, well, he is a political journalist, author of Kamala the Motherland and Me. He is a Pepperdine University professor and host of the daily radio program and podcast A More Perfect union on KBLA Talk 1580. He's also a journalist in residence for the Black Land. Black Land Lost Narrative Archive Project. Okay. That's his book. We're going to put it in the shop. I am going to start. I'm going to start with you, Angie, because I feel like where Democrats often fail is that they don't share information and they don't communicate. You and I both know a lot of Democrats. We know a lot of Democrats who some we talk to on our podcast and some we don't. But I never got a single call. No one has ever said to me that this was an issue until it was an issue. And then it suddenly is the issue. Is this a failure, in your view, of a failure to do oppo research or something else?
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Angela Rai
You know, it sounds like the opposition research was done. I think the issue in California is what you began to describe earlier, and it's the imbalance of power. Nancy Pelosi has made great, historic strides in Congress. But what people very rarely talk about is how much power she wields and how she wields that power in ways that are in some ways abusive. I know I'm not going to be Nancy Pelosi alum's favorite person right now, but this is indeed the truth. Gavin is her guy. Eric Swalwell is her guy. And I think that we have to wrestle with the fact that when Nancy says something goes in California, it generally goes, he's not going to be the first member of Congress, elected officials, somebody that she's endorsed or claimed as her own, where skeletons are buried. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is not something that's new. What I will tell you that I knew it was widely known on Capitol Hill that Eric Swalwell was a hoe. It was not widely known that he was dealing with staff. I will tell you something else that people don't talk about often. He is not the first nor the last member of Congress that deals with staff.
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Joy Reid
That's right.
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Angela Rai
It is widely discussed there are members of Congress. I'll say this willingly and openly now because one of these members that says this often is retired. But he used to tell new young men coming in, do not eat where you shit. Sorry, Joy. But that's what they say. The reason why that is a warning that has to be said is because it is widely known that members of Congress deal with their staff.
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Joy Reid
That's right.
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Angela Rai
There was one young woman when I worked on the Hill, Joy, and this is far more gossipy than it is strategy, but I just want to make sure we're like, my conscience is clean because I didn't tell you again, I didn't know about the assault allegations, but there was a young woman on the Hill that was widely known to deal with multiple members of Congress. And I know that often what we talk about is a power dynamic that exists between an elected official and their staff. And how that's not fair. We talk about it all the time in corporations as well, in entertainment as well. But there is also free will. And you have the right to decide whether or not you're going to deal with people or not. Maybe you don't have the strength or the ability or you're scared or whatever it is. I want you to find a friend. Because what ends up happening is it's not the member of Congress who gets their reputation sullied. It's that young lady that I'm talking about.
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Joy Reid
That's right.
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Angela Rai
Right. And I think what is remarkably unfair in this situation is the power dynamics are against these staffers. They didn't feel heard. They knew that if they came out with it, this rising star, they would be to blame for his demise. And I think that you saw some folks who said enough is enough, and they were willing to take on Eric Swalwell, his campaign apparatus, and Nancy Pelosi. And I think that takes courage.
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Joy Reid
And the thing about it is, I wish this was a new phenomenon. I mean, we can go all the way. Look, I'm, you know, like I said, I'm OG in here. I'm Auntie Age I'm auntie in this, in this, in this bitch. At this point. This goes back to the 80s, there was always these stories about members, very senior Congress members, senators, who as you said, were, you know, fishing among their very junior staff. We're talking about 20 somethings, very young people who come to Washington, including, we could talk about Monica Lewinsky. These young people come here and they have access to the most powerful people in the country. And these men have access to them. And in many cases, either 20 somethings who, as you said, they may not want to say anything or maybe not want to say no because they want to rise. And so here we go. Right? And this is in states too. We've heard stories about some governors that have been messing around. We just did a story last week. And it's not necessarily the governor or the governor's spouse who's running around. People are getting access based on who their power is. What advice would you.
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Angela Rai
Or Christy Norm. Or Christy Norm. Like being. Being a hoochie is not a, A, a singular partisan issue. It is a bipartisan, nonpartisan issue. Anybody could be a hoe. Maybe you should slow down. But I will. Let me just tell you this last thing. I think that it's important too for us to be aware of how we are discussing these things. One thing that I've been sitting with all day is like, there are definitely some young people who are preyed upon. There are others that prey upon the people. And I'm not saying. This is Eric Swalwell, hear me? I'm not saying that. But it's interesting that we will call young women who sit in the lobbies of hotels where basketball players are, hip hop artists are musicians, are. We call them groupies when women or men, because men do it too. Do the same thing in politics. It's not called that. And I think we have to wrestle with the way that we describe all of these scenarios. Even those people who are enabled as groupies, there's something missing in their lives where they go and do this. What is happening here. And I think we have to have really honest conversations in our community, in particular about what and why that is. I'm sorry, Ni. I was filibuster.
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Joy Reid
No, absolutely no. I'm going to get to the. In one second because I think this is very important for us to say as women, these women, these young women and young men who go in as congressional staff. You are at the peak of opportunity. This is the cream of the crop. This is not just anybody gets to be a congressional staffer. These are often the children of powerful families, children of donors. People who are. Monica Lewinsky's family were big time Democratic donors. These are not people who are coming up from these streets. These are not the Epstein victims who were in a trailer that are just barely just desperate to become a model and thinking that if they give a massage to Jeffrey Epstein, they can. No, no, no. A lot of times these are very affluent young people who come from prominent families. Somebody needs to be briefing these people that, that is that you can say no to a congressman. I'm like, who is not empowering these young people to say that you have reached the point where you can get to work on the Hill. That's a big damn deal. You're not a nobody. You're not from a family that's unknown. You know, anyway, that. That's my little auntie lecture. I'm gonna leave it there. Knee, quarter line. I. I want you to Please tell us, Dr. Knee, about the rest of these candidates because I, this, I have. I have expelled all of my passion about the issue of this man. He needs to deal with his issues. All these men that are doing dirty stuff. Tony Gonzalez, deal with your issues. You. This is not my problem. This is a you problem. This is a personal problem. What I care about, Dr. Nee, is California and California's governorship remaining in the hands of a Democrat. Not because I love the Democrats so much, but because at least I know they won't deport folks and abuse them. Who are the other candidates and who is viable now?
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Dr. Nii Cordelai Corte
Well, you're not alone in caring about who becomes the next governor of California. There's so much at sea stake. You know, you mentioned immigration. Well, you know, California is a sanctuary state.
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Father Michael Flager
I'm right.
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Dr. Nii Cordelai Corte
I'm beaming in from Los Angeles today. We're a sanctuary city. If Steve Hilton, or, heaven forbid, Chad Bianco became governor of California, it would absolutely put all of that in jeopardy and so much more. Right now, what I'm hearing from folks in the field is that there seems to be a lot of folks that are trending towards Tom Steyer. Tom Steyer has already pumped at least $110 million into advertising. And, you know, the next nearest candidate is nowhere close. I think Javier Becerra has something like $3.8 million cash on hand. Katie Porter. A little over $3 million. So just to give you a sense of, you know, who has.
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Joy Reid
I don't want to stop you, my friend, but can you just say who these. Because people are not from California. These names are not top of mind for folks, so go through them one by one. Who is Steve Hilton?
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Dr. Nii Cordelai Corte
Sure, sure. So Steve Hilton, former Fox News host He is the Republican that got the endorsement of Donald Trump. Chad Bianco, Riverside County Sheriff this guy is a voter ID guy. Basically the SAVE act that Trump is pushing in Washington. He's trying to push that in California. Tom Steyer, the billionaire activist and environmentalist. He is the Democrat that folks seem to be coalescing around. Representative, former Representative Katie Porter. She used to represent a district in Orange County. You know, she is a contender as well as former Secretary of Health and Human Services Javier Becerra, which a lot of folks are given a second look at. He also served at formerly served as the Attorney General of California and a congressman for a long time, former LA Mayor Antonio Viragosa, San Jose Mayor Matt Mahan, California Superintendent of Public Instruction Tony Thurman, the only black individual that is running for governor and former state Controller Betty Yee. Those are the contenders.
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Joy Reid
Who's viable and who's vetted?
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Dr. Nii Cordelai Corte
I think a lot of people believe that Steyer is likely the most viable for a few reasons. He has run for office before. He ran for president at least a couple times. You might remember there is a campaign to impeach Trump that he funded and led. He is led on a number of environmental issues here in the state of California. And so he's a bit more of a known quantity for those reasons. Javier Becerra is viable on paper, but he hasn't really been able to break through. His campaign is really sort of lacking the energy that is needed. And then there are other candidates that again, are viable on paper, but they have not been able to break through. They don't have the money advantage. And so really the window is closing for folks like Javier Becerra, for folks like Antonio Villaragosa and Katie Porter. But what I'm hearing, a lot of folks are trending towards Steyer.
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Joy Reid
Angie, how do we get people to focus on making a choice, hopefully a choice that's not gonna blow up in our face again and sort of dealing with some of their imperfections? Let's say it's Steyer. There's a lot of people that are even in the chat. So now I'm looking at the substack chat and they're like, no to stire. He's a billionaire. How do we get people past that because this is so important?
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Angela Rai
Well, they may not get past that, but let me use this as an example because I think it's important to draw a distinction in an era where we're fighting often about what democracy looks like. Like, right. We are questioning whether or not it's gone forever. People see this, the fact that California has all of these candidates in the field in an open primary, and they're like, this is what democracy is supposed to be like. When I think about what democracy is supposed to be like, I think about this poster that my dad got on the other side of the ANC election in South Africa where Nelson Mandela won. And I thought it was so incredible. Joy and me, they had everything from the Labor Party to the soccer party to the. The dishwashing part. I mean, like, every type of candidate you could think of, and you're like, yes, this is what democracy looks like. That is true until you realize that in California, it's just the top two candidates who advance in that open primary. So while you all are at home and you're hearing Joy, like, what are we going to do? They need to pick a candidate. You're like, well, no, this sounds like democracy. Well, friends, here's the problem. If you can pay to get to the top or you can ensure that. Because the Republicans only have two real contenders, there are 50 candidates in this race.
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Joy Reid
Need.
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Angela Rai
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there are 50 candidates on this ballot. These Republicans, they have. They down. They've gotten it down to two candidates on the Democratic side. We talking about five or six people, y'. All. So you could very well find yourselves in a position, Callie, where your top two vote getters, because they're the only ones that have consolidated in any way, even though the Republican Party has decided not to endorse either one of them, Hilton or Bianco, the two people could advance. Advance are the two GOP contenders. That is why this is so scary. That is why this doesn't feel like real democracy. Because if your top two vote getters are of the same ilk, similar party, similar ideology, that's not democracy at all. That gets us kind of back to where we are with this Trump administration. And so what I would say is the most important thing to identify is if you are opposed to a billionaire, no matter the cause, no matter the reason, no matter identify why. There is something that I feel like young people tend to do a lot more, but I will honestly tell you, as a Washington state girly myself, we do on the West Coast a lot is this political ideology purity test where if people aren't with you 105% of the time, you can't be with them at all. You could Vote with them or be aligned with them. 75, 80% of the time y' all are passing, but you won't vote for them or support them because you disagree with the fact that he got more money than you and your whole block. That's not it. And this is not a sire endorsement. I actually would love to see Betty Yee break through. I know her. She's down for black folks. I like Rabbi Steven. Like, that's my girl. So I would love to see some other people cut through. Tenise point. I don't know why these people aren't cutting through. I don't know if it's inability to raise. I don't know if it was Nancy Pelosi and her folks tipping a scale. I would love to see a competitive race, but they ain't got but five more minutes. This is on June 2nd.
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Joy Reid
That's right. And ballots go out in May. I'm gonna give you the final word on this knee because Dr. Nee. Because this is. The other piece is that California is the most expensive state to advertise in, period. The. The. The media buys are massive. So Steyer, and from what I'm hearing, and getting some feedback from some elected officials, too, is that he's got the money to be able to run that race. This is like a Kamala Harris situation 107 days. This is where we are, right? Who has the money to actually make it to the finish line? And by the way, by the way, if y' all don't like billionaires, I hate to tell you, JB Pritzker is a billionaire, too. A lot of people like J.B. pritzker for president. Just letting you know, he's a billionaire. Love jb but, yeah. So give us your analysis of in California, what it actually takes to get to the finish line, to get to be one of the top two.
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Dr. Nii Cordelai Corte
So, no doubt it takes a healthy media budget, but it also takes grassroots organizing. You know, I mentioned this before. I'll mention it again. That terms of outreach to black folks in California, you know, there's been a lot of migration to more affordable areas. And so if you're trying to reach folks in LA county, well, guess what? A lot of folks have moved from LA county to Riverside County. And so you have to have a ground game that meets the moment. I think that's going to be really important. Also, endorsements. You mentioned Kamala Harris. There's an evetorous poll commissioned by the California Democratic Party where it showed that 54%, 57% of likely California voters in 2024. Guess who they supported? Kamala Harris. Guess who might be really influential at this point in this race if she decides to endorse Kamala Harris. Right. There's talk that Gavin Newsom, that Nancy Pelosi, that Senator Schiff, that they are all considering making an endorsement to try and get the party to rally around a particular set of candidates or a particular candidate. But these are the things that have to happen in order to move this thing along. Otherwise, there is a real scenario that the people of California may have not one, but two Republicans to pick from in November. And I don't know if folks want to live in California under a Governor Bianco or a Governor Hilton.
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Angela Rai
Yeah, Joy, let me ask real quick. Me. Do you know if the two. I don't want this, y'.
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Donald Trump
All.
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Angela Rai
But let's say if they advance. Look at Joy's face. Like, don't even do this. But if they advance, Joy, if they advance, the two Republicans, could they write in? Could there be a write in candidate? I don't know what the rules are for generals for. I'm assuming they're like everybody else's. But could they write, could folks write Democratic folks write somebody in in the fall?
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Joy Reid
Good question.
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Dr. Nii Cordelai Corte
Technically they could write somebody in, but the likelihood of a write in candidate winning statewide here in California is very, very slim. I know that worked for Lisa Murkowski when she was running in Alaska. I think the terrain's a little bit more tough here in California.
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Joy Reid
Let me just put up really quickly before we let you guys go, that Donald Trump is a drag on these candidates. And I think this might be the one sort of, you know, Hail Mary hope for Democrats in this moment because I'm sorry, Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff endorsed Eric Swalwell. So I'm not sure that they're, that people are waiting with bated breath for their endorsements. I don't know if the governor will do, but Kamala Harris I think would be a great endorser. But Donald Trump is only above water and it's only plus 74. Normally he's in the 90s with Republicans. He is cooked with everyone else, not just Democrats, but particularly young people, 18 to 29 year olds. He's underwater in the CBS poll by 40 percentage points by for that. That's the gap is 40. So he's a drag. Is there any chance I'll let each of you actually answer this question. Is there a chance. I'll start with you, Dr. Nee. Is that does he drag down one of the two Republicans, which of the one which is more maga, which of the two is more vulnerable to being associated with that guy?
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Dr. Nii Cordelai Corte
Well, I mean, I think they're both vulnerable. You know, Chad Bianco, the Riverside county sheriff, he seemed to be a MAGA favorite, but he didn't get the endorsement of Trump. This is the guy who has seized ballots, 650,000 ballots in Riverside County. You know, you know, Yosemite Sam ain't got nothing on Chad Bianco. And then when it comes to Steve Hilton, Steve Hilton presents himself as sort of diet maga. He's sort of more palatable. But both of them are down for the same agenda. Let's also keep in mind that California right now has a super majority in the legislature, right? And so should a Republican become the next governor, that's gonna be a knockdown, drag out fight. But, but think about what damage they could do with the agencies that they're charged with running. We're seeing that right now the weaponization of federal agencies by the Trump administration. Imagine, imagine if there is a Republican governor in California that decide to weaponize agencies in Donald Trump style.
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Joy Reid
All I can say is, I'll give you four letters that everyone should be terrified. And it's Doge. Look what Donald Trump did with an agency that didn't even exist. And he gutted employment for people of color in the federal government, turned them out into the street and shut down agencies. If you get somebody who's got Donald Trump's same mindset to be the governor of California in a state that is majority minority, where the sort of demographic panic is already kicking in, think what they could do to black and brown and Aapi people in that state. They could destroy them, decimate them. On behalf of the northern part, California part, that's very, very white and rural and conservative. It is devastating. I thank you both for being here. I'm going to give you the last word on this. Angela, what do we do next? Just solve it for me. What do we do?
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Angela Rai
What I think that we have to do is figure out a way to help people embody their power, that voters understand that the power is completely in their hands, that you have a right to not only vote for whom you want, but understand who you're voting for. You don't need to wait for opposition research to come out. You can do your own research on candidates that is both helpful and not so helpful. Do a pros and cons list and then get the people on your block to all agree that y' all are supporting the same candidate. I think right now, for the next 14 days, we need to be on a fact finding mission. Who is safe? Who agrees with us on policy? Who would implement an agenda that we all support? I think this is a great opportunity. Even though black folks are small in percentage in California, you're also mighty. And I think it's so important to talk to some of our legislative leaders, some of our elected, current and past elected officials on what you should be looking for in your gubernatorial candidates. Hold these forums. Make them come see about you. Dr. Nee said it best earlier. It's not just a TV game. This is a grassroots game. Who is coming to check in with you to make sure they're meeting your needs, Keep your mind open because the ballot certainly is, and then make a decision quickly.
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Joy Reid
Amen. Amen. Amen. We went a little bit long, but these two are so brilliant, I wanted to try to keep them as long as possible. Angela Rai, Y' all need to be supporting Native Land Pod already. You're already subscribed, I'm sure, but if you're not, what are you, what are you thinking? Go, please and subscribe to Native Land Pod and support all of the things that they do on that wonderful podcast. And also Dr. Ni Cordelia Corte, get this book, Kamala, the Motherland and me. And also if you're in California, you can enjoy him on KBLA Talk 1580. That's from my old Raider days. KBLA Talk 1580. Thank y' all for being here. Appreciate you. Thank you, friends. All right, thank you very much, y'. All. Y', all. Are you sufficiently terrified? Because I am. Okay, let's, let's move on to our, to, to our next segment. Now, earlier today, before I, you know, donned my glasses, what we did earlier today, not just trying on glasses, had a really great conversation about the mess in Iran, Lebanon and the big changes in Hungary. I want to play you all the first half of that conversation. Oh, we're going to play. Okay, so this is our conversation with the great Jeffrey Sachs Take a Listen.
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Angela Rai
Team.
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Joy Reid
And here they are. Well, good morning, everybody. And let me say a couple of notes. Yeah, we won't let you say a couple of notes, J.D. vance. And that, of course is Vice President J.D. vance. Donald Trump's son in law, Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff, real estate developer, friend of the President, failed to come up with a deal while negotiating in Pakistan to try to get the US out of the mess that we made under Bibi Netanyahu's direction. Meaning get us out of war with Iran and also apparently Lebanon. Not to worry, though. Donald Trump says that despite the strait remaining under Iran's control with a toll at the top, there will be plenty of oil headed our way to get your gas prices down. Or at least that's what Fox's Maria Bartiromo wanted him to say. You referred to a post that hundreds of supertankers are headed to the Gulf of America to buy oil and gas
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Father Michael Flager
from the U.S. what can you tell
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Joy Reid
us about that, sir?
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Donald Trump
Well, I can tell you that it used to be called the Gulf of Mexico. That's what I can tell you. Now it's called the Gulf of America because of me. One of my little things that I did, you know, one of my little sidelines. And it's a great honor. People are so happy. You go to Louisiana, you go to Florida, you go to these states, Texas, they're so honored by it. I used to say, why, why is that the Gulf of Mexico when we have 93% of the frontage and, you know, it fronts 93% in the United States? I said, I think I'm going to change it to the Gulf of America. What a beautiful name. And I did. And I give a lot of credit to Google because once I filed the papers, I did it. And Google Map, once Google Map came, you know, did it, it was, it was a done deal. But we had, we had lawsuits, we had lost, we won everything. And it's now the Gulf of America, which I'm very, which I'm very honored by.
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Joy Reid
But, but do you, I think about,
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Donald Trump
I must tell you, I was thinking about calling it the Gulf of Trump, and I decided not to do it. I think maybe it was a wise, I think that one maybe wouldn't have worked out. I'm not so sure. You'll have to tell me. But I was thinking about. It's going to be called the Gulf of
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Joy Reid
Saturday Night Live is no longer sketch comedy. It's basically documentary film. Oh, dementia, how you mock us. So, yeah, Maria was not able to get Donald Trump to actually answer her question about the super tankers full of oil. But Donald Trump went on a reverie about the still Gulf of Mexico, which in his addled mind is now called the Gulf of America, which he would have preferred to call the Gulf of Mexico.
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Angela Rai
Trump.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. There we go. Meanwhile, in Hungary, with record 70 plus turnout and celebrations like these, where young people were gathering in the streets. And I will let you know, I am so sad that you cannot hear this, but this is a Hungarian rapper rapping Over a beat by, a West coast hip hop beat, basically by Dr. Dre. So this is a Hungarian rapper rapping over Dr. Dre, which you can't let you hear. But this is a massive, massive crowd that turned out. And basically Hungarians were out in these streets and also at the polls, removing Viktor orban, ending his 16 year rule. This after JD Vance flew to Hungary to rally for Orban, whose illiberal government mirrors what MAGA wants to create here in our country. And then he came back home to defend Orban on the Sunday shows. Here's a little bit of Orban in particular, as you know, I mean, he rewrote the constitution, he neutered the courts, he has tried to control the media. These are not necessarily conservative principles. So why would you want to mimic him? Well, look, I'm not endorsing every single
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Father Michael Flager
thing that Viktor Orban has ever done. I don't know everything he's ever done. What I do think is on the
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Joy Reid
university, on the university principle, the idea that taxpayers should have some influence and how their money is spent at these universities. It's a totally reasonable thing.
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Father Michael Flager
And I do think that he's made
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Joy Reid
some smart decisions there that we could, we could learn from the United States. What happened in the midst of this election campaign is one of the worst examples of foreign election interference that I've ever seen or ever even read about. The bureaucrats in Brussels have tried to destroy the economy of Hungary. They have tried to make Hungary less energy, independent. They have tried to drive up costs for Hungarian consumers. And they've done it all because they hate this guy. But I think a special guest that
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Dr. Nii Cordelai Corte
asks that I give him a phone
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Joy Reid
call and we'll see.
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Dr. Nii Cordelai Corte
Let's hope he actually answers. So this is going to be very embarrassing.
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Father Michael Flager
All right, I'm sorry.
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Joy Reid
The person you were trying to reach has a voicemail box that has not been set up yet.
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Father Michael Flager
Okay, well, I'm not telling you exactly
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Joy Reid
who to vote for.
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We have got to get Viktor Orban reelected as Prime Minister of Hungary, don't we? Yeah, apparently not. Joining us now to discuss both the Hungary shift and the mess in Iran and Lebanon is Jeffrey D. Sachs, world renowned economist, best selling author, innovative educator and global leader in sustainable development. Somebody I've wanted to talk to on the show for a long time. Mr. Sachs, thank you so much for being here.
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How are you, Joy? Great to be with you.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. I want to start by letting you comment on what we've seen in Orban's Hungry. Well, no, Longer. Orban's hungry. And I mean, I guess maybe it's wishful thinking for me to think that, you know, the idea that this sort of illiberalism that, you know, is mirrored in the Vance philosophy and in the MAGA philosophy, that it failed so decisively in Hungary, can we take that in any way, in your view, as kind of a signal that maybe that kind of fever is breaking throughout the west, and can we maybe look forward to it breaking here?
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Well, one thing we can say for sure is Donald Trump is despised in Europe. That's across Europe. You look at any country at the opinion surveys, Trump's negative net negative is around 70%, sometimes even worse, meaning that he may have 15% approval and 85% disapproval. The man is despised. I happen to be in Rome today. What he has done in the last day in his extraordinarily obnoxious and ill advised comments about Pope Leo and in his posting of his image as the Messiah, which he's taken down because he didn't understand the image, he now tells us people here are shocked. We've heard that all day in Rome. My wife and I, as we meet people on the streets, as we see people in the supermarkets, people are shocked. So Trump is despised. With JD Vance going over to recommend a candidate, anywhere he goes, he will drive down the vote for any candidate that he endorses. At this moment, there is no support whatsoever for what Trump is doing. And I think the same is becoming true in the United States as well. Not only, of course, are his approval ratings sinking, but people, especially this week, have come to understand that the man is actually mentally deranged, not just politically problematic.
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Yeah, I think it's very clear that Trump posting himself as the Christ is, at this point, I am unshockable when it comes to Donald Trump, but I think even for a lot of his supporters, his MAGA Christian supporters, they were to, they were shocked as well. And you're starting to see a lot of condemnation, which is why he took it down. But of course, he, you know, clearly doesn't know that that's a bad thing to do. And he's been taught poorly. Right. That he can kind of do anything and that he is God to his supporters. But you know, I want to talk about the other thing that definitely seems to have separated Donald Trump from many of the people who even sort of had a desire to support him or wanted to support him for various numbers of reasons, and that is this very upside down relationship with Israel and the war that it does appear And I wonder if you believe that Bibi Netanyahu is why we're in this war with Iran. Do you? Do you agree with that?
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Of course that's true in the so called proximate sense. Netanyahu talked Trump into this. And by the way, he talked Trump and only Trump into this. We have a lot of insider accounts of the critical meeting where Netanyahu spewed baloney, nonsense views that were regarded by those in the room as farcical. But Trump, who is not exactly an intelligent man and a discerning man, bought into what no one else in the room bought into. Some miracle, another miracle, because he is God's instrument in his own imagination or his own delusion. So he thought, well, let's kill a few dozen people. Nothing wrong with that, because he's also a psychopath. But let's kill a few dozen people. Nothing wrong with killing the religious leader. That's just fine. I'm the religious leader. He thinks. Nothing wrong with killing the government. I will choose your next leader. He even told us. But it was Netanyahu who sold him this complete fantasy. Netanyahu told the truth, by the way. He's just a hardened war criminal is what Netanyahu is. But Netanyahu told the truth. He made a post that said, this war with Iran is my dream of 40 years. I have to say, Joy, I stand corrected. Because for many, many years, I've been saying it's Netanyahu's dream for 30 years, because he's been prime minister for 30 years. And ever since he became prime minister, his dream is to pull the United States into a war with Iran. That's been his dream. I apologize. I didn't really know what was going on in his head before he became prime minister. But apparently he had this massive delusion for 10 years before. So in this sense, yes, it's Netanyahu that absolutely did this. Without Netanyahu, there would be no war with Iran. But of course, Netanyahu played into Trump's own fantasies. Trump thinks he runs the world. He thinks he can kill anyone or remove any leader at will because he is Donald Trump. He thinks he owns their oil. He has said so many times, that's not a joke. That is his absolute obsession. He's obsessed with money more than he is obsessed with power, actually. And when he says, we're going to grab their oil, we're going to make so much money. This is why the Venezuela misadventure and the Iranian disaster are hand in hand. Trump thinks he's cornering the world's energy markets. And he means to do so and he means to make a lot of money out of this. And he's got his real estate partner and his son in law who are both making business when they go in there to make sure that the business deals are done. And when Iran said they're going to charge a two million dollar per vessel passage to start rebuilding what has been destroyed by the United States and by Israel, Trump said, oh, that's cool, as long as we get a cut of this, I'm good with that. We'll partner with you. He's not kidding. The man's a loon. Come on, everybody, we can see it. He's a loon and he's very dangerous. And the problem is, it's not a game. You know, every day the language of game theory, by the way, which is a technical field, but that language infuses our daily lives. He doesn't have the cards. What's he going to do? What's his next plague? We're talking about hundreds of thousands of people killed in a genocide in Gaza. We're talking about thousands of people killed already in the bombings in Beirut. We're talking about thousands, maybe ten thousands killed or dying of their wounds in Iran. This is not a game, this is reality. And it's sick and it's dangerous and it's led by a person of delusion. Or if you were to take Trump at his word, a man so ignorant that he can't tell that a picture of him as Jesus Christ is a religious picture. He thought it was a medical picture. He tells us today, okay, if that's true, get him out of there. He's incapacitated. If it's false, he's a pathological liar. It could be both because he's absolutely both. But this is dangerous and it's not a game and it's not a joke and it's not, look how tough our hero is. We are at a war of no reason with no results other than people dying. And people are dying in large numbers. And I hear it because I have colleagues in these countries and people are telling me about their father's university being bombed or their mother's friends buildings being destroyed. I'm hearing this by the hour. This kind of tragedy, and this for Trump is a game. He's a psychopath and he's a fool. Sorry. This is very basic. It's not even complicated to say these things. And we have the insider accounts of how all of this went down and the fact of the matter is there were two people in the room that believed Netanyahu. That was Trump, and I'm pretty sure Hegseth, who is absolutely bizarre in his own way, or even in his unique way bizarre. And then the rest were smirking or oh, my God, or I hope the President doesn't call on me saying, yes, Mr. President, yes, Mr. President, that's wonderful. We'll support you. Because it's a group of sycophants with no institutional process at all. Those who say something to the contrary are simply excluded. It's a room of a handful of sycophants. Nobody tells the truth in that room. So this is what happened. And Netanyahu is an indicted war criminal who has earned every bit of that distinction. And he's relentless in trying to create the so called Greater Israel, which is destroying the Middle east and destroying his own country, by the way. I call it Israel's suicide because the viciousness of it, the fascism of it is so blatant, so disgusting, it's put the whole Middle east in flames. But we have a crazy president who says, sure, I'll sign on, no problem. It's great. And if they blockade the strait, I'll blockade the Straight on their blockade. I'll raise your blockade. One blockade. This is. Nobody in the whole world can understand. What the hell did you just do?
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Bishop William J. Barber
Are you kidding?
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Joy Reid
They have a blockade, so you put on a blockade. That solves the problem. Mr. President, genius.
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Professor Sachs, I mean, the thing that you and I. You've spoken my entire soul. Thank you very much for saying everything that I believe as well. But I feel like we talk about Donald Trump as a psychopath, but there are two psychopaths in this room because Bibi Netanyahu, as you just said, you went right. Where I wanted to go next is equally. I've been watching him since he was a guest on Nightline. He's been a psychopath the whole time. And I dreaded the day he would become Prime Minister of Israel. He's insane. He's also trying to survive, just like Trump, because he's a criminal. He's under indictment, he and his wife for corruption. And he has promised people even crazier than him on his right that they would get this, this Greater Israel over. Over the last couple days, I've been in a wormhole. I went back and I reread the Balfour Declaration. Jason has he can put it up?
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Yeah, yeah.
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This was in 1917. It was a letter written to Mr. Rothschild to Lord Rothschild, who was a big supporter of The Zionist cause, which is a political cause in Europe. And it promises, it gives support for the idea from the crown of creating a home inside of the Holy Land for Jewish, European Jews, but that would also respect the rights of the indigenous Arabs in their midst. Fast forward to today. You have the more 1931 Eretz Israel vision and dream which you can see on the far left of the screen, which didn't even exist a year before Israel was created. In the middle is a National geographic article from 1947 in which that Balfour Declaration plan is sort of sketched out. You can see the dark areas were supposed to be for the Palestinians to create a Palestinian state. This was sort of an archive. You know, they were doing this sort of archival and sort of looking at finding the sort of history and roots of the area. But these people genuinely believe on the right, this idea that people like Ben GVIR and Smotrich genuinely believe that they're going to take parts of Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Jordan and even Egypt and Saudi Arabia, that they are going to annex these countries territory by force. And that to do that all they need is to take down Iran, which is their biggest opponent, the strongest opponent. And once Iran is a failed state, they can have it. And the last thing before I let you back in to comment on it, this is something that happened just over the last week. This is Itamar Ben gvir, who's of part, part of the government there, he's part of the cabinet there at the Al Aqsa Mosque. If you put a B7, Jason, literally you can see a Muslim woman in the front of your screen storming into the Al Aqsa mosque and doing these Talmudic prayers in front of it. This is where we are, the Israeli right, they celebrated passing a law, a death penalty law that only applies to Palestinians. This is B8, Jason.
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Angela Rai
We played it before.
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Joy Reid
Literally it's Marvin. Here they are toasting with gold noose pins on celebrating the. The ability to now put Palestinians only to death. Not Israelis, only Palestinians. Those are the psychopaths effectively directing our foreign policy at this moment. And that scares me more than almost anything because I have no idea what else Bibi would demand that Trump do, because I know Trump would do it.
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Well, that history is very helpful and I can add a few points to it. First, when Britain issued this Balfour Declaration, a couple of points are interesting. First, this was not British land to give away or to promise to anybody. This was Ottoman territory in the middle of World War I. And Britain being the ruthless empire that it was and having Taught the American Empire all that it knows. Promised the same land three times over. Actually, once was in this Balfour Declaration. Another time was to the Arabs. And those who remember the movie from many decades ago, Lawrence of Arabia. Yes, that's the story of the British promising this land of the Eastern Mediterranean, the Levant area, to the Arabs if they fight on the side of the British in World War I, and then they cheated the Arabs afterwards. And the third was a promise made to the French in what's called the Sykes Picot Treaty. So first, the whole thing was perfidious and it wasn't theirs to give away. The second thing that is interesting is that there was one Jewish person in the British cabinet in 1917. He wrote a letter to the Prime Minister protesting the Balfour Declaration. He said, I'm British. I don't want Judaism to be considered a nationality. It's my religion, but I'm British. This is very dangerous. So this is a second point, third point, and very quickly, and I, my, I'm burdened by time, I'm afraid, is that this Zionism has many strands that should be unpacked. One of them is called Christian Zionism, which is a view expressed by our U.S. ambassador. That extreme big map. Huckabee, our ambassador to Israel, said, yes, Israel should have all of that. Because in his unbelievably theologically ignorant mind, he reads a verse of Genesis 15 and he says, oh, that's all Israel's today.
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Donald Trump
Okay.
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Joy Reid
We can't go into all the theological details, but it is mind boggling. And a lot of Trump's voters have another idea which is related, which is that the end of the world is nigh. And so all of these wars, this is. Okay, this is Armageddon coming. Well, no, thank you, please, not the end of the world, please. No, thank you. But there is this additional view. And then those two that you showed, well, I'll say first, Netanyahu. Netanyahu as a completely twisted mind. He's part evil politician, so he's just power hungry and we could say a lot about that. But he's also twisted and for a lot of reasons that are worth another long discussion. But he says everyone is against us. We have to kill before we are killed. That's the view of the world. We will kill anyone. And so he is absolutely a pathological mass murderer because he has a view. They're going to kill us, we kill them first. Okay, Then there are these other two that you showed, Ben Gavir and Smotrich. That's another piece of this they are.
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Fanatics.
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It's, it's, it's terrible to say, but they, Even one of their parties is Jewish power. It's a Jewish supremacism.
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Yeah.
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It's so fundamentally different from normal Judaism before all of this horror that I even hate to say this because what these people represent has nothing to do with the religion, but they have the view we, this is ours. We'll take whatever we want. So this is a madness, this state of Israel right now. It is a madness. It's a madness of fear, of trauma, of hatred, of supremacy, of exclusion. It's a madness. I know the place well. For more than 50 years, it's gone mad, led by mad men. We have been trapped by this, by our own devices, because it's also true of earlier presidents. But Trump is the most pathetic of all because of all the other abilities that we've talked about. He doesn't know what he's doing. He has no self control, he has no impulse control. He understands nothing. So he goes along with this madness. Most presidents went along with it with a little bit of pushback. Trump jumps and pushes us entirely into this craziness. We need one thing for peace. Israel. You go back and you live within your own borders of 4 June 1967. Stop bothering the rest of the world and there's going to be a Palestinian state, and that's just how it's going to be. And stop your craziness, stop your murder, stop your wars, stop your hatred, stop your genocide, stop your ethnic cleansing. Go back to your borders and there's going to be a state of Palestine next door. And we're all going to live with it. And especially you're going to live with it in peace. Because this is over the disaster that you've been on for 30 years. It's not hard, Joy. That's international law. Almost the entire world supports this. The US has given Israel protection until this moment. That has gotten us into a war that threatens World War Three by a president who thinks he's the Messiah. We have a big, big problem and I have a time constraint. I beg, I apologize.
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It is all good. Jeffrey Sachs, you are so great. I am going to hope that we can get you back again. Some. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Enjoy Rome. It's one of my favorite places. And God bless you. Thank you so much.
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Thank you so much. Thank you.
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Much appreciated. Thank you. Jeffrey Sachs, one of the best out there. So, Jeffrey Sachs, everybody. Sorry about that. We cut a little bit at the end, but yes, we Were going to just show you a video that showed some of the people that have died as a result of this madness. Do you want to see the rest of it? No, I think we're good. Well, I was just going to show them that video because it makes it more human. Do we. Do you have. If you have.
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Angela Rai
I could.
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Joy Reid
I could load it up again if you want me to. Oh, that, just that, just that clip. Just a video while you're talking. Opera. Yeah, just that video that's at the end. Yeah, just that clip. Stand by. No, go ahead and talk.
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Bishop William J. Barber
I'll bring it up.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. Because the reality is that people forget. All I said at the end of that clip was that people forget that when these leaders, quote, unquote, make these decisions, it's that Al Jazeera clip make these decisions about what they're going to do with other people's lives. They forget that they're human beings that are impacted. So that's all we. We were going to say. It's okay, Jason. If you don't have it, it's fine. We can leave it alone. We can leave it alone. I want to. Before we get to anything else. Thank you all. Welcome to hour two of the Joy Reed Show. I want to take a quick break before we move on any further. That's all I was going to say is that there are human beings who die like real people with real faces and families and lives. And that's what's impacted when you start wars. It's. It's a game to Trump, but it's not a game to the people, people who are under the bombs. Let's take a quick break and welcome a brand new sponsor. Super excited about it. This episode of the Joy Reid show is brought to you by our new friends at Hexclad.
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All right, so now because we've declared this to be a moral Monday, even though it's not the first Monday of the month, we decided we're going to make this our moral Monday. But I want to talk to you a little bit about some of the terms, right. That we throw around a lot in religious circles, but I think which people tend to sort of confuse and mix up when they use them. Right. And they, and especially in this time when we're dealing with white Christian nationalism, I think we have to kind of think about them even if you're not religious, because when Christian nationalists are running your country, you need to understand what these things are. So here are the terms. Heresy, sacrilege, blasphemy, and apostasy. And these terms are thrown around a lot. But let me just give you a sort of simple explanation of what they are. There's a site called blogos.com that provided these helpful definitions. All right, so heresy is a. And it is adherence to a religious opinion that is contrary to the dogma of the faith. Right? So if the faith says one thing and you say another thing, you simply, even if by accident you're going against the dogma, that is heresy. Next, you have sacrilege. Sacrilege. Per the site blogos.com, sacrilege is disrespect of something sacred. A literal definition is the crime of stealing what is consecrated by God. So in modern times, Blogos writes, we would simply say that it is stealing the honor of God. So it's like sacrilegious to needlessly to face a Bible, let's say to like, call it a trump Bible and put trump content in it. That is sacrilegious. Right? Because you are taking something sacred and you are dishonoring it. Next up is blasphemy, which is basically sacrilege that you're speaking out of your mouth. And apparently there are two ways to blaspheme God. The first is to blame God for evil or to deny God credit for Good Job's Wife comes to mind on that score. But it's also when people demand to know why God has withheld some blessing or done something which you sort of presume is out of God spiting you, that is actually blasphemy. And in fact, blasphemy is the fuel for what they call idolatry, because it can lead you to idol worship because you feel like God, quote, unquote. If you believe in God is failing you. And so you turn to an idol. This is actually what the Pharisees, the Jewish Pharisees, accused Jesus of. They accused him of blasphemy, saying that he claimed to be God and that's what they accused him of. And in the Old Testament, blasphemy was actually punishable by being stoned to death. And in the New Testament, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the one unforgivable sin. And then the last one is apostasy, which is similar to heresy, but actually stronger and all encompassing. Instead of apostasy, meaning just rejecting a particular idea from an established school of thought, it is the wholehearted rejection of the entire philosophy. Let me quote blogos.com Again, in Christian terms, apostasy is the deliberate rejection of the core tenets of the faith. The apostate knows and understands the gospel and retains the outward appearance of a believer, but he has rejected Christ's authority and disowned his name. They have the appearance of godliness, but they have essentially warped the power of the faith. Now, I've argued many times that of all the things that I just read, Donald Trump is not just a blasphemous, heretical, and diabolical evil man who is guilty of constant sacrilege. I have argued and said on this show many times that he and this fake maga Christian sect are actually apostates. So that's when you understand why I call them apostates. They know what Christianity is. He might not that much, but he knows the basics of it. They know the precepts of it. And they're not just accidentally twisting the Christian faith. They are doing it on purpose for demonic purposes. That is apostasy. And which brings me to Pete Hegseth, and I want to show you just some examples of what I would consider apostasy. This is Pete Hegseth literally praying for merciless death in Iran and using Old Testament scriptures to do it.
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Fox News Announcer
Month I meant to read a prayer which I'm going to read today, and it was sent to me by the chaplain who oversaw the Maduro raid.
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Joy Reid
So this was the.
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Fox News Announcer
The prayer that he prayed before that mission with those great Americans who conducted that mission. And he wanted to share it with me, and I'd like to share it with the group today. First, a reading from the book of Psalms, chapter 8:18, verses 37 to 42. King David writes, I pursued my enemies and overtook them and did not turn back till they were consumed. I thrust them through so that they were not able to rise. They fell under my feet. For you equipped me with strength for the battle. You made those who rise against me sink under me. You made my enemies turn their backs to me, and those who hated me, I destroyed. They cried for help, but there was none to save. They cried to the Lord, but he did not answer them. I beat them fine as dust before the wind. I cast them out like the mire of the streets. And then he prayed this prayer, the chaplain, and we pray it with him this morning. Almighty God, who trains our hands for war and our fingers for battle, you, who stirred the nations from the north against Babylon of old, making her land a desolation where none dwell, behold now the wicked who rise against your justice and the peace of the righteous, snap the rod of the oppressor, frustrate the wicked plans and break the teeth of the ungodly. By the blast of your anger, let the evil perish. Let their bulls go down to slaughter, for their day has come the time of their punishment. Pour out your wrath upon those who plot vain things and blow them away like chaff before the wind. Grant this task force clear and righteous targets for violence. Surround them as a shield. Protect the innocent and blameless in their midst. Make their arrows like those of a skilled warrior who returned not empty handed. Let every round find its mark against the enemies of righteousness and our great nation. Give them wisdom in every decision, endurance for the trial ahead, unbreakable unity and overwhelming violence of action against those who deserve no mercy.
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Joy Reid
Apostasy appearing as a Christian reading from the Christian text, but speaking pure violence and evil. And if that isn't bad enough, Jason, let's skip to C4 if we could. This is what Donald Trump did on Orthodox Easter. So he posted his previous insane post where he invoked Allah and said he was going to wipe out the civilization of Iran on Easter. On Christian Easter. And this is on Orthodox Easter. He posted this absolutely insane post depicting himself as Jesus in the garb that is traditionally shown on Jesus in photos. And you can see an American flag behind him, a Statue of Liberty, some eagles and jets, a bunch of white folks around him, women and men. And then in the air, what sure looked to me like demons, the one in the middle, and I don't know what that is, if not demonic, demonic. Let me just quickly let you know that Donald Trump, once he got even MAGA people horrified, as you heard Jeffrey Sachs say in Rome. They were absolutely shocked. Even some MAGA people said this was abominable. You have to take this down. He took it down. And then he literally told, let me read this to you. This is from the New York Times. He said, no, it's nothing I'm gonna put up. He said that he thought he was being depicted as a physician. He thought it was me as a doctor, he said while grabbing two bags of McDonald's food and walking in the Oval Office while holding his Mickey D's. He said, oh, I thought that was me being depicted as a doctor. Only the fake news will come up with saying that I was trying to look like I was Jesus. Let's bring on our guest, Father Michael Flager of the great San Savina Church. And I'm going to let you respond to that while we wait for Bishop Barber, who's running a bit behind. But Father Flager, it is so great to see you. I want to let you respond to Donald Trump's post of himself as what appears to be making himself to look like Jesus, maybe raising someone from the dead. I don't know what he's supposed to be doing.
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Father Michael Flager
If he's raising anything from the dead, I hope it's the Epstein files. But I think that he's. I think he's unraveling joy. I think he's just imploding and he's losing it. And I think, you know, he wasn't satisfied with trying to, you know, make himself a king. Now he wants to be God. And he. I think he. He has such an inflated perception of himself. And he had so many people around him that continue to feed this. This narcissism and this craziness. I mean, he's got these Paula Wright and Franklin Graham hustlers that are out there constantly referring to him like Jesus. So why are we surprised that he would put something like this on? I mean, this. I think this is just the next step for him.
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Joy Reid
I. I agree. And I think we, you know, sometimes, you know, look for those who are believers, God has excellent timing. If you believe in God, you'll. You'll know that the timing is. Is pristine. Because in this moment, I like the previous Pope. You and I texted about this. I really did like the previous Pope. But Pope Leo, let me tell you, this Creole Pope, he's. He has become my favorite favorite, even though I did like his predecessor. Let me play a little bit of what he said over the weekend, because this dude is from Chicago, so he lays it bare. He don't play around. He's from New Orleans and Chicago, so he's like, I don't have time to play with you. Here is the Pope. Jason, this is C5 when you get a chance. This is C5 over the weekend. This is our pope, Pope Leo XIV.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Enough of the idol, idolatry of self and money. Enough of the display of power. Enough of war. True strength is shown in serving life with evangelical simplicity.
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Joy Reid
St. John XXIII once wrote, the benefits
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Bishop William J. Barber
of peace will be felt everywhere by individuals, by families, by nations, by the whole human race.
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Joy Reid
If you told me that that was your cousin or brother, Father Pfleger, I would be like, that tracks because he is Chicago like you are Chicago, my friend. I mean, he is a bad. He is a wonderful man. I want to say a bad man, but a good. In a good way. I really love him. Let me. Let you respond to him.
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I.
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Father Michael Flager
Well, you know what? I think that the number one, he's so calm and so, so pose. And he thinks things too and reflective, but he just, he shoots it straight. I. I think that this president is underestimated, this south side Creole Pope. And, you know, he's a Sox fan, which means he has great tenacity and endurance, because if you can still be a Sox fan at this day and age, you know, you can stand through anything. But I think that. And when he said, you know, on. On the plane going to Algeria, I think he said, you know, I'm not afraid of, of this administration. And I think it's very clear. But let me say one last thing. And I see my good friend Reverend Barber there. Bless you, man. I think one thing that is that I love what's happening right now is the Pope is not speaking as a political figure or as a politician. What he is doing is quoting the scriptures and he is exposing these hustlers like Paula White and Franklin Graham and all the rest of them who have been hijacking the scriptures to pump this guy up and justify all their evil that they have, their wickedness that they've been doing. And he said, okay, now, the public said, now let me. Let me tell you what the scriptures really say, and let me just meet you with the scripture. That's not my words. It's not my politics, not my policy. I'm just going to hit you with the Scriptures. Blessed are the peacemakers. They're children of God, the meek. And I mean, he is just coming at him with something. So you want to disagree with these statements now you disagreeing with Jesus himself. And so. Careful.
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Joy Reid
Amen. Amen. Amen. Let me ask you to lower your camera just a little bit, Bishop Barber. Tilt me down just a little bit so we can. Then we can get there, so we can get you on camera. Excellent. I want to give you an opportunity welcome Bishop Barber. And of course, it's Moral Monday, so we always share that with you, my good friend. And I love having the two of you on together. This is sort of a dream booking for Moral Monday, but I want to let you respond to Donald Trump's, in my view, demonic post. Jason, if you wouldn't mind putting it back. I think it's C5. No, not C5. I think it's C4 of Donald Trump. There it is. I see this as absolutely demonic. Bishop, what do you think?
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Bishop William J. Barber
Well, we've been saying all day at this conference that people have been speaking to, you know, there were more Monday people in front of the White House today. I got a meeting in about 20 minutes with states all over. We started a few weeks ago because the way this went to war was, if you will, blasphemous and demonic. It's unholy. War itself is unholy. That he's done so much that's counter, that's anti the Christ, that this just becomes the last thing that he's doing. Because in a real sense, with Donald Trump, what you have and maga is a war on divinity with him and religious nationalism. They are literally trying to challenge, for instance, we believe some things are inalienable. They're from the Creator. They're trying to say, no, we are now the Creator. And if we get voted and we get elected in, we can change what civilization lives. We can decide that. We can decide what babies lives, what babies have citizenship, right? What people have health care. When you begin to act like that, it's like you're trying to replace God and God's principles. And so I think it's blasphemous. It's one of the latest blasphemous things that he's done. But if you really look at it, he's got the planes bombing that would never be in a picture, quote unquote, with the disciple of Jesus. He's got the flag, not the cross. Right. I've been examining what he's really saying. He's saying, look who I am. And you know, remember the other day when Donald Trump tweeted, he said if, for instance, if Iran didn't do such and such a thing, all hell would rain. Not rain.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, we have it. The C H R E I G. Put it up if you could, Jason C A. Yes, sir.
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Bishop William J. Barber
And that. And it made me wait a minute now. Is this a fraudy and slip or is this intentional? If you say hell's going to rain, the only way you can make hell rain, you an emissary of hell, you think you are, you think you're something greater than. And, and, and, and that's what is dangerous about this moment. And with the Pope, what I love about the Pope is as, as, as, as my friend said, not only is he challenging those who've hijacked the gospel, he's challenging those who've never used the gospel to support their position. They just say with Christian nationalism, if you ever ask them, well, where did Jesus say this? They can't bring a scripture up anywhere. They never do. They just hijack the name, like my good friend Fraga, like Bar Jesus did in Acts when he borrowed Jesus name. But he never talked like Jesus talked. So we're in a war, I think, on divinity itself. A group of folk trying to replace our notion of God, our notion of righteousness, our notion of ultimate inalienable rights. And that's why the cure is to really lift up the word of God. But in addition to that, Jordan, I'll say this and stop. We have to wrestle with how we got here. Now I love the fact that people are talking about Pope Leo today, but we didn't have this conversation we should have when Pope Francis said neoliberalism and trickle down economics were evil.
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Joy Reid
That's right.
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Bishop William J. Barber
You see we have a moment now with this opening to bring a lot of things forward and not just get caught in this moment. When the Pope says he's not afraid because he's standing on a tradition, it's not just him individ, he's standing on a tradition. He's standing on what we would call the apostles doctrine, sound doctrine. And when you stand in that place, you don't have to be afraid, right? Because you're not just speaking, as he says, a politician or your own opinion. He's looking at the entire trajectory of the scriptures and traditions. Yes, it's been flawed at time but, but on this question of, of who's God, what justice looks like, what love looks like, blessed are the peacemaker. He can stand firm footed and say to Franklin Graham and all of his followers, for you to simply pump this man up and say he is sent by God is also blasphemous.
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Joy Reid
Yes it is. I mean and the reality is, is you know, it's not just the hell will reign. And when you said this to me over the weekend, Bishop, it was like an aha moment for me. This man really literally wrote the, he wrote the words hell will range one more time. He wrote the words hail will reign. It's almost like he's winking and nodding at the demonic in his post. Hail will R E I G N Rain means rule. He also said civilization will die. He said civilization will die tonight. That's C9 where he, he, he said that he can order the end of history, that he can wipe a civilization, an ancient civilization that goes back to Jesus time off the map. And then you have this thing about Father Flager. This is a man who didn't touch the Bible when he was sworn in as president.
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Father Michael Flager
Right?
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Joy Reid
He, he would not, he did not put his hand on the Bible. Now you can say that was maybe an oversight, but this was enough that CBS News even noticed it, that major media even noticed it, that he didn't touch it. And so I wonder sometimes if we are looking at the modern day BAAL that his supporters are worshiping an orange God because they can see him, Father Pfleger, because they don't feel confident that the invisible God will give them what they want, which is pain for their enemies, death for their enemies, expulsion, incarceration. They don't want something good. They want, they want to harm people. And they think he'll do it.
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Father Michael Flager
Yeah, I think they want this Rambo God that punishes and that beats up and that anybody that doesn't think and act like them, they want a bully and, and they want vengeance on them. And that's the tribe. That's a God that they have unleashed. You know, I think really that, you know, Trump would be calling this Jesus who feeds the poor and cares for the disenfranchised and cares for the forgotten. I believe that Trump, you know, he at some point called Jesus a loser because he doesn't agree with this, this evil mentality of vengeance and pain that, and suffering that should be inflicted on anybody that doesn't think, act and light. And I think he really exposed himself today. Joy and Bishop on the, on the plane when they were asking him about, you know, this, this Pope, and he said, well, I don't like anybody that criticizes the President. That is the key. He does not like anybody that criticizes him and, and then criticizing with the scriptures, oh my God, he can't take that. And I'm sure he, he called up Paula and Franklin and all the other hustlers and said, hey, give me something to come back at. And they said, well, you know, we really can't find anything goes against this. You're on your own.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Yeah, they got sense enough not to take on Jesus if he doesn't. Yeah, I mean, they have sense enough not to take on.
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Joy Reid
No, but some of them don't have the sense to do it. Bishop Barber, there's a guy named Joe Rigney, who I always remind people on this show, founded that church where Joe, where Don Lemon and Georgia Ford got arrested. He decided to go on X Twitter and he posted a link to an article he wrote in which he wrestled, he said, wrestle with the notion of whether Donald Trump's bizarre and violent post might be some sort of Jesus strategiary. Right. Some sort of godlike strategery, compared him to Solomon in the Bible and said that there could be some biblical justification for calling for the end of civilization in Iran. So you have people who call themselves theologians who are trying to dig up a justification.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Well, they're theo Something, I don't know if I call it Logan. That's a qualifier that they don't get to have. Father Plague is a theologian. I'm a theologian. They are Theo something. But again, what that shows is this war on divinity. They are trying to, to change the category and the notions that all three religions honor about certain basic things, about where God stands. And if you choose to stand otherwise, you just say, I'm. I don't care what God says. But you don't try to change it. You know that that's, that's what we have going on. Now, remember before all of this, it was reported that they called the ambassador of the Vatican into the Pentagon.
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Joy Reid
Yes.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Saying we got all this military might. You better bow to us. Now I'm gonna say this and Father Flaker gonna get to hollering in a minute. That's nothing. But Daniel three. Yeah, that's Daniel chapter three. That's Daniel chapter three. When you have the king who says, I'm going to create an image, the imago dehi is not enough, the image of God. I'm going to create another image of God myself. And you bow to that. See, that's where you have the Babylonian understanding of creation coming into contradiction of with the Genesis, understand? And what it has to do is it even shifts humanity. And who is the ultimate image of humanity? These followers want Trump to be the image of humanity, the ultimate. The one you look to. Right? The one who is the ultimate. If he's not God, he's the ultimate creation of God and the rest of us should follow. This is some dangerous stuff. And it's not just what he's saying. See, when you, when you go here, you can also then say, we don't have money for daycare, we don't have money for health care. We don't have money for living wages because we have to bomb people. We have to go to war, in other words, because we really worship the God of war. The God of war. And part of what has to happen, I preached last night, even just bragging Trump America is suffering now from having so many opportunities to take the welcome mat our Constitution, which says, establish justice, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and fill up the American house with policies that complete those words, those creeds. And over the years, we didn't do it. Now, Jesus said that when you have a house and you don't fill it up with what ought to be in the house, justice, health care, living wages, lifting the poor, caring for the least of them, then an impure spirits, not an impure spirit. Impure spirits roam around looking for somewhere to abode. And if they find the house empty, they come in. And so every time we have pushed voting rights in the house and then taken them out. See, in 2013, when we removed voting rights from the furniture of the house, we opened the door. Come here, sinners. The movie centers. We opened the door and invited this in. And it doesn't take but a crack all to get it in. All you got to get this in. All it took was for 19 million people not to vote. All it took was for 90 million people to stay home. And the Congress gets put in place only by 7,000 votes. All it took was 1.2% of the vote. All it took was for numbers of black men, Latino men to vote for this crazy over some kind of machoism. All it took joy was for that to happen. And the impure spirits have now taken the house. And the work of. I almost said bishop, big pope. I almost said pope Flake priest flag of Father Flager and myself and Pope Leo is now we have to sweep the house. And it's. And I'm in a deep cleaning. This is representing to us because we can't get locked in that it's just Trump. It is an impure spirit.
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Joy Reid
That's right.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Right. That's. That's got in the house. In the house a little bit. But every time we take a step forward and three steps back. You should have heard Nancy McLain talk today at our conference and, and Pam Garrison and them talking about this. Three steps forward, two steps forward and not two steps back was three steps backwards.
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Joy Reid
Yes.
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Bishop William J. Barber
And every time you take furniture out, you take healthcare out, you end the Affordable Care act, you end voting rights, you leave a crack in the door and the impure spirit comes in and it does not want to leave. So that's why it's talking about maybe I could serve a third term or let me see. That impure spirit only wants to do one thing. That's rule and take God, if you will, off the throne and replace themselves with God.
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Joy Reid
Lord have mercy. Lord have mercy. This is the Lord have mercy. I have to sit with that for a moment. Father Flager, this is what. You know, I was recently listening to one of the things that you said you called. This is what you call the state of emergency, right. That Trump claimed there was a state of emergency in Chicago. But you know, you said that that's it. That's a state of emergency. Hunger, fear, you know, the lack is the state of emergency. I'm going to go ahead and give you, give you the final word on this, Father Flager, because. And if you want to say anything else to defend your foe, well,
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Bishop William J. Barber
you
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Father Michael Flager
know, and in February, right after he was sent into office is when we turned the flag upside down and raised it and said it is a state of emergency here and in America. And I was all these people telling me I'm anti patriotic and I'm all these, they call me all these names and I wonder, here we are a year afterwards and say, so what do. So what do you think about that now? Would you, would you think we're in emergency now? But Joe, we also have, I mean, when we talk about this, this demon and go back to the, to the Old Testament, the Hebrew Bible, I mean, the Oval Office is the new golden calf. And that's what he is, the new golden calf. And he said they're only. He's not going to destroy it. He's tried to get these, these hustlers to support him. And I think he does. I really do believe he wants himself to be looked on as God. I think he believes that with all his heart. But we also must confront that anybody who still stands in support of him. I'm not talking about these clowns in his administration and the demons that he surrounded himself. I'm talking about anybody in the streets of America that still stand with him at this point. You now have connected yourself to this demon. So don't call yourself a Christian, a Muslim or a Jew because as the bishop meant out he is now affronted all the holy books at their base is the care for people and the respect of people and the feeding of the hungry and the caring for the homeless. He has now come after each and every single one of our basic foundational beliefs. And so everybody that is still standing with him, you have now connected yourself to this demon and now you stand in that shadow and you're going to have to pay those consequences. Last thing I want to say, I would say is this, is that the good news is the good news out of all of this is, is that the Pope and I think others and I was on a conference call with, you know, 50 or 60 other religious leaders earlier today. I was the only Catholic on them. But everyone said, we've got to rise up, we got to say more. We've got to stand up, we got to get with the Pope and, and I think he is waking a sleeping giant in the faith community that has been silent way too long. They've been Silent. And that's why the, and the Franklins have been able to become this voice. And the media has given them that platform.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Given them. That's right.
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Father Michael Flager
And now the media must be how to. Now they have to cover a different platform of a man who's saying, I'm not afraid of him. And what he's doing is evil and is wrong. So I think it's raising up and awakening this giant. Remember, Leo is referred to as a lion. And the lion is waking, I think, is waking up the faithful communities. And this out of this, I think, can birth the new rising of the faith communities, of all the faiths to stand up strong.
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Joy Reid
I mean, it's, it's so bad that you've had this same apostasy inside of the Christian faith. Bibi Netanyahu has done to the Jewish faith to turn it into a city of death, this state of death, that the whole purpose of Israel is to mete out death and to mete out theft, steal land, to commit not one, but now two genocides. And now onto the genocide in Lebanon, killing moms, women, children, bombing homes, bombing churches, bombing schools. He himself has twisted and he constantly quotes the Bible to try to justify. He doesn't say the Torah, he says the Bible. And he tries to trigger these religious fake Christian nationalists in this country to say, ah, yes, that is what Judaism and Christianity is. He's twisted Judaism to the point where regular Jewish folk ain't, who aren't doing nothing that are, you know, in Los Angeles or somewhere catching strays because they are getting associated with the evil that Bibi Netanyahu and his friends are meeting at. That is evil, what they're doing. And so we've seen all three religions twisted. Go ahead, Bishop Barber.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Can I say one? We came up with a new word. You know, I've been struggling with Christian nationalism, so one of the professors said we need to call it Christianess. In other words, it's an attempt by people to call something what is not. That's one thing. Number two is, I do worry, though, about this moment for the church and religious leaders. And I tell you what. See, I look at Flager, he ain't never stopped. Many of us have never stopped. Me. People said the church hadn't been out there. Oh, yes, we have. The corporate media has maybe chosen not to talk about it. You have. I remember when you were the first one to lift it up my Monday joint and we had a hundred thousand folk in the street and the corporate media wasn't even talking about it.
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Joy Reid
That's right.
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Bishop William J. Barber
We had 2,000 people getting arrested. I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about the people. And what if that had really been elevated? So there's been a plenty of pushback but there's been this chosen now some of them like Leo Pope Leo because of this moment. And I've heard people say we got again and they've come up with all kinds, you know preachers can come up with some slogan against somebody they don't like. But here's the problem. We don't need slogan, we need sweeping. We gotta have a deep cleaning. And this if, if this does not launch a movement. I'm not talking about one election and we go home. Right, because that's what happened with Obama. I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about us being able in our pulpits to say we, we, we got the best lines anywhere. But if we don't move to public theology in the pulpit in the street with, with impacted people and lift up what this kind of worship does to the ordinary person like while he's doing this. 800 people died today from poverty and will die every day forward. We have to repent in the church that we've not adequately called attention to that we've not had a national funeral for the 800 people dying every day more than died when, when co got to 500. We call it an episode epidemic. We've never called the death by so, so I could go on but my point is we, we must make sure we wake up to the right thing not just a moment and, and remember that the Jesus we served didn't build a moment. He built a movement. He built, he built disciples that were so filled with the spirit that it didn't matter which Herod was in in in in the throne. They took them on it. It, it was long term, it was committed, it was deep. It was not something that was just a day or a week or just to the media stopped paying attention to it. And that's what I hear about the flager saying and that's one of the reasons we've relaunched Moral Monday is to give a platform that we can't do this with one rally and everybody gets up and give their best speech and we say didn't we tell them we're talking about to get this impurity out of the house. We got to get the deep, a deep, deep long term cleaning and then filling the house with the kinds of things that are necessary to shut the door as much as possible in our time because otherwise we will have a sequel to sinners. Because the line in sinners is, and you, Joe, we getting ready to write on this is they can't come in.
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Joy Reid
That's right.
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Bishop William J. Barber
So. So if the church is going to come, part of our first coming out has to be repentance for. For us not being out. Way before this. See, we. We should have joined with flag. I said, when he turned the flag upside down, all of us should have been turning the flag upside down. When we did, when we went in the rotunda to pray and denounce that big, deadly bill, every preacher should have joined and come, but we had something. Man, I'm golfing. I. I got something. That. What y' all got that we got? No, no, no. So it's part of coming forward. You can never follow the Christ, the real Christ, without starting with repentance.
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Joy Reid
That's right. Amen.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Part of our work in the face of this craziness is not just to say how demonic and how evil it is, but to also have a sense. I go to Isaiah and I close here, Father Flager. When Isaiah. When Uzziah went crazy, cuckoo for cocoa pops, if you will. Isaiah's prayer was, lord, I am a man of unclean lips, and I live in the midst of a people of unclean. He didn't say Uzziah was just the one that was wrong. He repented and he said I. He had been a priest. He was a priest. He said, now I have to be a prophet, right? And I have to first repent that I didn't speak soon enough. I didn't come out soon enough. I stayed focused only on my church and salary and whatever else for a long time. And I'm a part of opening this door. But. But I repent of that now. And in this season, I'm going to join God's army of sweepers. The sweepies.
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Father Michael Flager
Bishop, can I just say this one last? I co. Sign with you 100. We need to repent. We need a deep cleaning of our houses of worship. We need to turn the tables over and flip some tables. And we need to reclaim our prophetic voice.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Yes.
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Father Michael Flager
We were always supposed to be what. What the Pope is, I believe, doing right now. He's being a conscience to the world. And we need to reclaim that. We've been pathetic instead of prophetic. And we need to be prophetic again. That reclaims our. Our voice to get healed from our spiritual laryngitis. And again, speak thus saith the Lord. Enough of religion, you know, throw all the religion stuff away. Let's go back to building the kingdom and let's be prophetic and speak. Let's learn from what Leo just did. He's quoting the damn scriptures. He's telling the world this is the real Jesus. That when we get, when we get back to just preaching the real Jesus, the radical Jesus that flips over tables and cause religions, Pharisees and hypocrites and vipers. When we get back to that, Trump is going to dissipate right in front of our eyes.
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Bishop William J. Barber
That's right. And the trumpets that want to
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Donald Trump
follow,
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Bishop William J. Barber
they will know what Ezekiel said. There hath been and there is a prophet among the people.
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Father Michael Flager
Yeah.
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Bishop William J. Barber
So that's our calling right now. This ain't a month. We're not looking for the bumper sticker preachers that just gonna jump out here for a minute and go home. We talking about the folk that's gonna be committed until the new day. You know who, who by the way, I'll leave this. I know Joe, you got to go. I read for this morning and, and Reverend Flager, the in, in Revelation, the Church of Pergamos. And, and, and, and what Jesus said to them, commended them on. He said you live where Satan's seat
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Dr. Nii Cordelai Corte
is,
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Bishop William J. Barber
but you've been faithful. He said, that's why I'm commending you. Now you're not a perfect church, but the one thing you got right is you live where Satan's seat is. Right. And you have been faithful to challenge Satan in his own seat.
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Joy Reid
Yes.
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Bishop William J. Barber
That has to become now, you know Trump, but all of the authoritarians around the world and whatnot. But in where we are, when you live where Satan has put his seat, the church must be faithful so that we can get commended by Christ himself, by God, God's self. Right. That is our calling because we are watching Satan put down his seat. Now you read, y' all read the script. I, I'll stand on that and debate any so called religious nationally. The fact of the matter is Father Flag and I challenge anybody right now. We'll tag team and debate anybody anywhere because it's time to go to, it's time to come out.
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Joy Reid
Now I call on Bishop Barber and Father Flager. I would take a debate with the two of you versus Doug Wilson and Joe Rigney. I would invite both of them on this show. If you two, I'm gonna say it right now. Joe Rigney, you are. You call. I'll say Reverend Joe Rigney, that's you call yourself and Doug Wilson come on here and debate these two brothers debate Debate Father Flager and Bishop Barber. If you think that you're. They. Y' all call yourself theologians. You're writing books. Talking about empathy is dangerous, that we have to remove empathy because it's. It's standing in the way of. Of Jesus Kingdom. Y' all claim that we war is peace, that war is just, that killing is justified. And, you know, I will end with this as well, my two friends. There is this longing for Armageddon among these false Christians, these apostates, because they believe. It's part of the reason that they're okay with the genocide in Gaza, that they believe that this rebuilding of the Third Temple, if the Muslims can be slaughtered and the Jewish state, which is a secular state, you know, but which claims to represent all Jewish people, if they rebuild that temple, they believe that the ant. That Armageddon will come.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Armageddon, yeah.
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Joy Reid
They're trying to bring it on, but they leave out the entire New Testament out of their theology. I notice whenever they quote something, they stay in the Old Testament like Netanyahu, Right? Because they forget that was supposed to redeem all of the promises in the Old Testament was somebody called Jesus. And so they. They seem to. They stay in the earliest books of the Old Testament. They stay way back there before Jesus is in the story. They can't deal with Jesus because everything that he was dealing with was against the state. And they're getting their followers to worship the state in the form of Donald Trump. This is apostasy. It's why I went through the definitions before you got on Bishop, because I want people to understand when I don't. I don't call these people just blasphemers. No, they are apostates.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Oh, no. This is her.
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Joy Reid
Let me say it's heresy.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Heresy. This is. This is blasphemous. This is worship. But last thing, the hope in this is that we will do all that we have to do. But I want to quote one more thing from Revelation about Jesus. And this is what gives me hope every day. It says that the nations assembled for Armageddon and then God stopped it. These folk better recognize their arms are too short to box with God that we serve. I'm not here hope for tonight because I think Father Flag and I can fix this. But I still serve a God that they tried to kill. And he got up out of the grave three days. Yeah, when he got up, he didn't run. He hung around.
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Father Michael Flager
He hung around 50 days. Make sure, you know, I'm here.
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Bishop William J. Barber
I feel like preaching a little bit, but I'm telling you, they assembled for the war and God stopped it.
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Father Michael Flager
They're hustlers of Satan and he already fell once like lightning from the skies. And they die on the ground laying with him.
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Bishop William J. Barber
That's right. Talk. Y' all be good. I got to go. I got.
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Joy Reid
I appreciate, listen, this has been, what this might be my favorite moral Monday of all time. Father Michael Flager, Bishop William J. Barber. Lord have mercy. But Lord had mercy on the Joy Reed show tonight that you all were both available at the same time. Brilliant. Love you both. Thank you both. Appreciate you both. If I can make that debate happen, it's happening. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, friends. Oh, y' all got to listen. Listen, Jason, this was spiritual healing on tonight. This the, this was the best moral Monday I think we've ever had.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Did Reverend Barbara just drop some NAS bars?
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Joy Reid
You can't box with the hand of God. My arms are too short with God. We have an offering on the table from Joanna, NYC. She said, this is my offering. $50. Thank you so much. 4.99. We have six people throwing in. They said we need an online national rebuke day. Says the Kim G313. We appreciate every single person, lots of fire, fire, fire and hundreds. And this is the thing. Every time the national media allows the right and right wing so called Christians to take hold of Christianity. When they poll other than Robbie Jones, which is why we have him on, they poll as if all Christians think like this, that Christians are supposed to line up behind war, line up behind Israel, line up behind Zionism because you know you're supposed to bless Israel in order to be blessed. They line up behind all of these things and they're using the essence of what they find in the Old Testament to lie to you because they don't know what's in the New Testament. They don't really recognize that Jesus is supposed to be here to fulfill the prophecies in the Old Testament. They have to stay in those old books. They have to stay in Leviticus so they can condemn gay people. And they have to stay in, you know, in the, in the pre Matthew Mark Luke Bible because they have to stay in the part of the Bible that gives them what they believe are justifications for war. They love the early parts of the Bible where you have all of these wars where you have all of these mass slaughters where lots of people die. They love that part of the Bible because it's about slaughter. What they can't deal with is that Jesus was a God that would have embraced Muslims, that would have embraced Jewish people, that would have embraced multiple religions because he was against power, he was against state power. Who killed Jesus? Rome. What does Donald Trump represent Rome? This is a Roman Empire style regime claiming to represent Jesus. That is antithetical to Jesus. It is. And this by a man who wouldn't touch the. He knew better than to touch that Bible. He knew better than to touch that Bible when he was standing there taking the oath of office because he knew he is loyal to. He knew who he gave his loyalty to, who he has surrendered his soul to. And it ain't Jesus. Yeah, no, that's right. Listen, if you think about it, look at this picture they put up again, right? Yeah. Now let me ask you a question. Do you see any crosses in this? There's no crosses. And he wants to represent himself as Jesus. And that figure at the top that I guess he thinks is some sort of archangel, looks like a demon, A three horned demon in the center of that picture with only white people pictured. I don't know if that Jeffrey Epstein he's raising.
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Bishop William J. Barber
That looks like Jeffrey Epstein laying down on the ground.
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Joy Reid
Is he raising Jeffrey Epstein from the dead? Like what? This is demonic. But not a one cross in that thing. Not one cross. And this is supposed to represent. And with a light in his hand, Donald Trump said he's supposed to be representing our position. In what way, sir, where is your stethoscope in this picture? Why are you wearing the garb of Jesus in this picture? Picture at least what's depicted as the garb of Jesus in most art. He, he is above appearing to raise someone from the dead. This man has not just delusions of grandeur, he has delusions of godhood. He has delusions of godhood and when he was rebuked by his own supporters who at least have a kernel of understanding of the Word. They may not truly understand the word because if they did, they would care about the poor and the sick, they would care about the immigrant like Jesus did. They don't like any of that. They hate that. They hate the immigrant, they hate the poor, they don't want to pay taxes because the poor should take care of them damn selves. They hate everything that Jesus loved and love everything that Jesus hated. They love the state, they love power, they love the military, they love death. Christopher Hitchens talked about this in his book where he said, you've got these people longing for the end of the world and they think by allowing Israel to commit multiple genocides, genocide after genocide, killing and murdering and slaughtering every one of their neighbors. They think this is going to bring them into heaven because they think this will rebuild the Third Temple. I hate to inform them and be the bearer of bad news, but Jesus is the Third Temple. If you really are a Christian. But these people have invented their own religion. They've invented their own religion, and the religion is centered around its own God, whose name is Donald Trump. And they will say, we don't worship Donald Trump. We just think that he's fulfilling God's prophecies. Bullshit. Because if he didn't think you worshiped him, he wouldn't have put up that picture. He intends for you to worship him. You all fall down before golden idols at cpac. You put up golden versions of him and fall down before them as idols. This is idolatry. It's apostasy. It's blasphemy. And we're not trying to be a religious show here. We're not here to be a church, because I actually believe that religion and the state should be completely, completely separate. Not just here, but in Israel, too. These are. This is a state. This is not a church. But there's a. There is a place for the church in a state. Just let me be clear. There's a place for the church in the state. And the place for the church is to be a moral voice. And if you want to say it's Jesus's church, the place for the church is to be a moral voice speaking up on behalf of the poor, the dispossessed, the immigrant. That is the place for the church. If you believe in Jesus, that is what the church can do. And I think what Bishop Barber and Father Pfleger were saying is that God blessed us with a pope who, in plain Chicago English, a Chicago Creole who could say in English that Trump can understand. You are misusing the Bible. You are misusing Jesus. You are misusing my faith. You are misusing the faith of all Christians. You are abusing it, lying about it, inventing things about it, saying empathy is evil, saying that women are to be turned into servants and mules, that black people are inferior, that brown people are inferior, that the immigrants need to be harmed, hurt, rounded up, deported, incarcerated. The people who support this 80%, the people who are the most passionate about supporting harming immigrants and the poor call themselves Christians. And in Israel, the people who are most passionate about supporting the genocide call themselves Jews. But they're neither of them. Are that. No more than. You would say that ISIS represents Islam. You can't say Trump represents Christianity. And you can't say Bibi Netanyahu represents Judaism. All of these people are apostates. We ran out of time. We didn't get to the Paulo's Ampoli then we're going to put that on Wednesday. They're all apostates. They are taking all the Abrahamic religions. They are slandering Abraham by warping his religions and turning them into demonic. Demonic faiths. Yes, sir. He said he thought he was. This was a physician. A physician. A doctor. I didn't know physicians had glowing orbs in there. Yes. What is he doing with the globe and or what is the glowing orb, Dr. Trump? I don't get it. What is the glowing orb? Why are these people looking up with you? Why is the man on the right that looks like he's in an army hat, that looks like Jeffrey.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Jeffrey Epstein laying in that and raising
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Joy Reid
Jeffrey Epstein from the dead? Maybe Jeffrey RB after every episode, maybe he's trying to let you know Jeffrey Epstein's still alive. All right, y', all, we went, we've gone over time. But this is, this has been, I have to be honest, the great. Yes. And I've noticed too, as well as the chat hat that he made sure that everyone depicted in the picture is white. You know, just like in Jesus's time when it was a bunch of white Europeans in the Holy Land, blonde haired, blue eyed Jesus, that would have made no sense. In the Holy Land. They can't accept even that Jesus is a brown Palestinian. They made Donald Trump the new Jesus of America. Doctors don't wear robes, as the chat has said. Doctors don't dress like that. Donald Trump did not that Donald Trump is just saying whatever he has to say to get out of the latest pickle that he's found himself in. Because even his own supporters, Marjorie Taylor Greene and such, were condemning this, this post. And so he had to say something. What was he going to say? He had to say something. Donald Trump, who the FBI investigated a woman who said that he sexually assaulted her as a child. To take this back to where we started, if we're going to make a list of the men who need to be removed from power due to sexual aggression against women, men, women or children. If we're going to make a list of the people who we can't trust with our daughters and sons, we can't trust with our young people who we can't trust around people because of their lasciviousness, Donald Trump is first on the list. Eric Swalwell is somewhere on the list, apparently. But we haven't even adjudicated that. We've adjudicated it with Trump. There's been no adjudication of Eric Swalwell. We adjudicated it with Trump. Eugene Carroll was grabbed by the pussy by force by Donald trump. In the 90s. A jury of Donald Trump's peers said that happened. The FBI investigated a case in which a woman claimed to have been sexually assaulted by Donald Trump. He has not been accused of that, but they were investigating it. So there's a long list. So we're not going to get caught up in talking about the congressman, former Congress, soon to be former Congressman of California. There's also another one, Mr. Gonzalez. He needs to get investigating, thrown out of Congress, too. What we're going to do is we're going to focus on saying that we want them all out, the entire Epstein class, anyone who's abusive, anyone who's a sexual abuser. Everybody got to go. And it's a long list that's in both parties. Everybody got to go. We want to be governed by men of morals and women of morals. We want people that have at least the basic functional morality. And that's not just about Democrats or Republicans. It's period. It's on, period. And we want our churches and our pastors, whether they are Catholic or Protestant, whether they. Whether it is the Muslim mosques or whether it is the Jewish temples. We want them all on one accord to say we want a moral nation. And moral does not mean religious. It means it cares for the poor, poor, the sick, the elderly, and the immigrant. Where people don't die because they don't have health care. We don't die because they can't afford food. Where people don't die because they don't have shelter, where they don't live in the street. We want a country that's decent. All right. Do we have time for a moment of joy? I don't think we do. I think the whole thing. We don't need a moment of joy. Hallelujah. We're gonna go ahead. The whole episode was joy. Thank you very much, guys. We're gonna let y' all go on. I know the WNBA draft is happening. Let me let you guys go watch that. We will rack up our moment of joy on Wednesday. Love y'.
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Bishop William J. Barber
All.
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Joy Reid
Appreciate y'. All. Don't forget these glasses. Y' all make sure you vote. These are fabulous. Let me put them on one more time and just take them out. Look at the packaging. The packaging is fabulous. These are the Romari beard and glasses. Make sure you Snap a photo. Snap a pic. Okay? And you guys are gonna get to vote next week. All right, See y'. All. Take care. Love you. Bye.
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Bishop William J. Barber
Getting back to the basics. Grassroot level?
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Joy Reid
Let me dig a little deeper with
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Bishop William J. Barber
the shovel Plenty can't tell the boys from the trees that I'm hard to detect? Like a black hole in the dark? Injustice anywhere It's a threat to justice everywhere? Let me make this clear I got
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Father Michael Flager
a bone to pick and I'll never
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Bishop William J. Barber
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