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Adrian Carrasquillo
Recently we asked some people about sharing.
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Jason Reed
Their New York Times accounts.
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Christina Greer
My name is Dana.
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Joy Reid
I am a subscriber to the New York Times, but my husband isn't. And it would be really nice to be able to share a recipe or an article or compete with him in wordle or connections.
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Christina Greer
Thank you, Dana.
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Joy Reid
We heard you introducing the New York Times Family subscription, one subscription, up to.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
Four separate logins for anyone in your life.
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Joy Reid
Find out more@nytimes.com family. Hello, everybody. Happy Monday. Happy Monday. Happy Monday. Welcome to the Joy Reid show. Big up to everybody that's listening and watching on YouTube, Substack, Spotify, all of the peeps. Thank you all for tuning in. Everybody in the chats. Hello, we see you. Thank you all for waiting. We were a teeny bit late tonight, but we're so glad that you're here with us. Specifically want to pick up our team TJRS members. Hello, Hello, Hello. All right, it is Monday, so that must mean that Donald Trump is distracting from the Epstein files by invading an American city. So next up, Portland, we're going to show a little video of Donald Trump's plans for that poor city.
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News Reporter / Voiceover
And when we go there, if we go to Portland, we're going to wipe them out. They're going to be gone and they're.
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Joy Reid
Going to be gone.
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News Reporter / Voiceover
They won't even stand the fight. They will not stay there. They're ruined. They've ruined that city. I have people that used to live in Portland. They've left. Most of them have left. But what they've done to that place is just, it's like, it's like living in hell.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, it looks like hell seems like a dangerous place. But as we all know by now, there is nothing, nothing that Donald Trump will not do to prevent the American people from seeing and thinking about the Epstein files. And we're getting more and more details indicating that who Trump is protecting specifically are the very same billionaires who are gaining control of this country. All of our social media, all of our media gaining control of the world. AI Beast by AI Beast. Let me read you a story from CNBC talking about the Epstein billionaires. Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and former Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon are among those who appeared in partially redacted files related to the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein that were released on Friday by Democrats in the House Oversight Committee. The committee earlier embarked on a probe to evaluate whether the federal government mishandled the case against Epstein and co conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell, who is serving a 20 year prison sentence following a 2022 conviction for recruiting teenage girls to be sexually abused by Epstein. President Donald Trump had promised voters on the campaign trail that he would release government documents related to Epstein, who was arrested in the summer of 2019 on sex trafficking charges and died in a New York federal prison, reportedly by suicide before trial. However, Trump has refused to endorse the release of any Epstein files since returning to the White House in January, and Republicans in Congress have followed his lead, keeping the documents out of the public's view. Democrats on the committee on Friday released redacted pages from a new batch of files they obtained through their probe without giving their Republican peers advance notice. They were rebuked for the move. So Trump is now basically pushing and sort of bullying the Republicans who have voted to release the files. And there were only four of them. Thomas Massey of Kentucky, Lauren Boebert of Stupid City, Iowa, Stupid City, Colorado. Nancy Mace of Trollville, South Carolina, and the bleach blonde, bad built butchbody herself, Marjorie Taylor Greene, the QAnon curious congresswoman from Georgia who weirdly enough is emerging as like the heroic voice of the Epstein victims for whatever reason. I think it's also because of QAnon and who this week posted this really, really cryptic, very creepy tweet, essentially saying that she's not suicidal so that if anything happens to her, her fans should be skeptical of the official story. That's super weird. She says she's a sinner, she's saved through his grace and mercy, she has full faith in God and Jesus and she's not suicidal and she's one of the happiest, healthiest people ever. Very, very strange as she's pushing saying she will personally read the Epstein files on the floor of the House. But hey, just letting you know, I'm not suicidal. That's weird. Meanwhile, Mike Johnson is doing the most to try to make sure that you never hear the Epstein files contents. He's refusing to seat Adelita Grijalva, who's the newly elected member of Congress who ran to fill her late father Raul Grijalva's seat in Arizona. And he's not suiting seating her, most likely because she vowed to be the 218th vote to release the files. What the actual hell? And then here's where things get even weirder. Because guess who the prosecutor was who belatedly filed those federal charges against Jeffrey Epstein and his co conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell in 2019, nearly a decade after former U.S. attorney Alex Acosta gave Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire pedophile, a sweetheart work release deal in Florida and then copped a cabinet seat in the first Trump administration. Guess who prosecuted Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell? Her name is Maureen Comey. She was not only the prosecutor in the Epstein case for that whole month between his indictment and when he supposedly committed suicide in prison while he was under the care of the Department of Justice run by Donald Trump and William Bill Barr, whose father hired him to be a teacher in the first place. That guy, she not only prosecuted him and Ghislaine Maxwell and got her 20 years before she herself got a sweetheart deal from the current Trump doj after having a secret meeting with Trump's former personal attorney, the attorney from the porn star hush money case who now works also for the doj. Maureen Comey was also the prosecutor of the diddler, Sean P. Diddy Combs, who was convicted in July on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution plus and acquittal on racketeering, conspiracy, sex trafficking charges. See where I'm going? The other the diddler. She also prosecuted a Columbia University gynecologist named Robert Hodden for sexually abusing patients, including the wife of former Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang, who also got 20 years. Maureen Comey is now suing the DOJ after she was unceremoniously fired from the Southern District of New York via an email with no explanation, which is also weird, but besides her connection to the Epstein case and the fact that she was weirdly fired this summer at the same time that MAGA was screaming for the Epstein files, you know what's also weird about Maureen Comey? It's who her father is. Her father is James Comey. James Comey. Yeah, that guy. James Comey. The former FBI director who Trump recently ordered his personal Attorney General Pam Bondi to prosecute. Here is the truth social post that he thought was a DM but which Grandpa Fuhrer accidentally made public. It reads. Pam, I have reviewed over 30 statements and posts saying that. Essentially same old story as last time. All talk, no action, nothing's being done. What about Comey? Adam Shifty Shift Leticia, meaning Letitia James. They're all guilty as hell, but nothing's going to be done. Then we almost put a Democrat supposed U.S. attorney in Virginia with a really bad Republican past. A woke rhino who was never going to do his job. That's why two of the worst Dem senators pushed him so hard. He, he even lied to the media and said he quit and that we had no case. No, I fired him and there is a great case. Many lawyers, legal pundits say so. Lindsey Halligan is a really good lawyer and likes you a lot. We can't delay any longer. It's killing our reputation and credibility. They impeached me twice and indicted me five times over nothing. Justice must be served. Now. President djt. So then the person who he's claiming he fired literally quit because he was like, there's no case against Comey. So instead, Pamela Joe, who could not find any prosecutors in the DOJ who were willing to indict Comey because he hasn't done anything wrong, he then goes to a woman named Lindsey Halligan. Lindsey Halligan. So who is Lindsey Halligan? Let me play it. I recently was on a great show called have I Got News for you? And I'm going to let them. I'm going to. Actually. It's a great show. It's, it's, it's Roy. Roy Wood Jr. Michael Ian Black. We're going to, we're going to, we're going to play this. This clip of Lindsey Hallig. And this is from have I Got News for you. And it's Amber Ruffin explaining it. And it is a 10. I believe it is a 10. The have I got news for you? Video, which is a 10. I want them to see who Lindsey Halligan is. And this is a 10. Have I got news for you. And Amber Ruffin is going to explain who this woman is. Pam Bondi had Trump's former personal attorney, Lindsey Halligan sworn in as an interim U.S. attorney just to prosecute James Comey. What do we know about new interim.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
U.S. attorney Lindsey Halligan?
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Joy Reid
There she is. Maybe it's Maybelline.
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Christina Greer
She's in the Trump administration, so in like, three months, she gonna look busted.
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News Reporter / Voiceover
She's never, she's never prosecuted anybody.
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Joy Reid
I've done more. The other piece that people are forgetting is the guy who had that job refused to do it and had to resign because he said there's nothing to do to prosecute James Comey for it. He's actually an expert.
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Christina Greer
Well, if she was never a prosecutor, what was her job?
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Joy Reid
Her most recent job was restoring truth and sanity to American history by addressing the overemphasis on slavery at the Smithsonian Institution. Oh, shit. But here's Lindsey explaining her last trip to the museum. What I saw when I was going through the museums personally was an overemphasis on slavery. And. And I think there should be more of an overemphasis on how far we've come since slavery. Oh, yay.
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Christina Greer
So, like the bad part about slavery was the slaves. And I feel like there's too many slaves in slavery. You know what I mean? Chains, cute, whips, fun. The slaves. Ugh.
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Joy Reid
Joining me now is Jill Winebanks, former Watergate prosecutor, brilliant jurist, and my friend. Let's talk a little about Lindsey Halligan. Thank you for being here, Jill. It's always great to see you. Lindsay Halligan is a former Miss Colorado contestant who, interestingly enough, competed in the Miss USA pageants or the Miss Universe sort of ring of pageants when Donald Trump owned the Miss Universe franchise. So she's a former pageant queen. She's the person Trump put in charge of getting the slavery out of museums. And now she's the, weirdly enough, probably prosecutor who no other, no other lawyer from the DOJ would even go into court with her to prosecute. James Comey, what do you make of all of this?
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Jill Winebanks
I make of it that there is no case exactly as the career prosecutors decided. That included Eric Sebert, who was the interim U.S. attorney until he resigned rather than do something that was completely. By the way, I am so happy with your opening that I'm the happiest I've been in days. I just want you to know that I also make of it that she didn't know where to go to file this case. She did convince a grand jury, so kudos to her for that. But she lost on one count and she didn't get a unanimous vote on the other two counts. And when she made this case was doing something that really was improper. But there is case. If you analyze the words that Comey no, absolutely no false statement.
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Joy Reid
And no, I want to play really quickly. This is because the thing about what Donald Trump is doing, I almost don't want to take it seriously enough to even, you know what I'm saying, to like, litigate whether James Comey did anything wrong because it's absolutely silly or but I do want people to actually get a chance to hear what they're claiming is his crime. So. So, Jason, this is a 14. This goes back to when in 20. I want to say 2022. He was James Comey. No, 2020. Sorry. This was during COVID So it was by video. He's testifying in the United States Senate and Ted Cruz is questioning him, interrogating him about the investigation of Donald Trump, playing footsie with the Russians, which he did in, in the 2016 election. So, Jason, this is a 14. If you could play it real quick. This is a little bit of that hearing. And this is what they're claiming Cruz. Yeah.
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Ted Cruz (quoted)
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Returning to Mr. Comey, Mr. Comey, you testified earlier today that you have concerns whenever the FBI doesn't operate in a, quote, competent and honest way. In your judgment, was the way that the FBI handled the Russia investigation, the surveillance of the Trump campaign, the Carter Page FISA application, the Michael Flynn investigation, was that handled in a competent and honest way?
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Joy Reid
First, Senator Cruz? There was no, to my knowledge, surveillance of the Trump campaign. I think the overall investigation of the Russian interference and whether Americans were associated with it was conducted in an honest, competent, independent way.
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Ted Cruz (quoted)
Okay, so, Mr. Comey, you're saying it's competent and honest. I assume you've read the Horowitz Inspector General report, which found 17 significant errors or admissions and omissions in the Carter Page FISA application. So in your view, 17 mistakes. Lying to the court is competent and honest?
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Joy Reid
Well, I've read the report. I don't believe he concluded there were lies to the court, but there are significant and important failings in the way in which the Carter Page FISA was prepared and renewed.
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Ted Cruz (quoted)
All right, let's shift to another topic. On May 3, 2017, in this committee, Chairman Grassley asked you point blank, quote, have you ever been an anonymous source in news reports about matters relating to the Trump investigation, of the Clinton investigation? You responded under oath, quote, never. He then asked you, quote, have you ever authorized someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in news reports about the Trump investigation or the Clinton administration? You responded, again under oath, no. Now, as you know, Mr. McCabe, who works for you, has publicly and repeatedly stated that he leaked information to the Wall Street Journal and that you were directly aware of it and that you directly authorized it. Now, what Mr. McCabe is saying and what you testified to this committee, cannot both be true. One or the other is false. Who's telling the truth?
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Joy Reid
I can only speak to my testimony. I stand by what the testimony you summarized that I gave in May of 2017.
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Ted Cruz (quoted)
So your testimony is you've never authorized anyone to leak, and Mr. McCabe, if he says contrary, is not telling the truth, is that correct?
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Joy Reid
Again, I'm not going to characterize Andy's testimony, but mine is the same today. Okay, we can leave that.
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Ted Cruz (quoted)
I'm going to make a final point because my time.
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Joy Reid
So, basically, Jill, this whole supposed crime they're claiming James Comey committed is that they're saying he lied to Ted Cruz. When Ted Cruz asked him if he authorized a leak about the investigation of Trump, that's the supposed crime. Have you ever heard. Is that the sort of normal thing that you would prosecute a former FBI director for?
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Jill Winebanks
Nothing about this is normal. The entire Trump administration is not normal. This is so much worse than Watergate, I cannot even begin. But if you carefully parse the words, Ted Cruz was a very in artful questioner and what Comey did was brilliant. He said, yes, I repeat exactly what I said in May. I did not. When he answered that, he said, I didn't leak and I didn't authorize anyone to leak. Cruz then goes on to completely misstate McCabe's testimony. McCabe never said that he was authorized before he leaked. He admits he leaked, but he does not say that he was authorized to do so by James Comey. So there is no conflict between them. And that's where you really have a failing. And remember, in a grand jury, number one, all they need is probable cause. In a trial, you need beyond reasonable doubt. In a trial, there will be a defense. In a grand jury, the prosecution goes in and says, this is what they did. That's wrong. And a grand jury has to accept that that won't be the case in a trial. Based on what I have seen, Joy, I believe that there will be a dismissal on pretrial motions, including, for example, Donald Trump's statements. He's guilty as hell. And I'm quoting when I say that, because that is prejudicial, pretrial publicity. But if it actually went to the prosecution presenting a case, I believe that after the case is presented, there will be a directed verdict by the judge that defense won't have to put on a defense. But if the defense does put on a defense, the jury is going to acquit because there is just no case here. And it shows how inexperienced the insurance lawyer, former Miss America contestant is in doing this job and why we need professional prosecutors, career people who advised her. Not only did her predecessor say no, but the people in the office gave her a memo saying, this is why this isn't the case.
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Joy Reid
She.
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Jill Winebanks
I don't care. I'm going to go ahead and do this anyway. That's why this is wrong. He can do this to James Comey. He can do it to anyone. Especially with what's happening with his executive order about Antifa.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, I mean, Lindsay Halligan, if. Jason, can you put up a 8 if you get a chance? Because Lindsay Halligan, I mean, she is like a former, like, beauty. Beauty pageant girl. Like, I'm not downing beauty pageants. There's nothing wrong with beauty pageants, but she's not like an expert in, like, the law. Right. And she's not an expert on museums either. But Donald Trump, this is a eight. Yeah. And she, you know, she's a, you know, she's a pageant girl, but she's also a Trump loyalist and willing to do it. But the other piece of it, if I could ask you about Jill, is what do you make of the fact that she went into that courtroom by herself? Wouldn't it be normal for other DOJ lawyers to be sitting at that table with her when she was doing that?
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Jill Winebanks
Prosecution, look at the last hundred, the last thousand. I don't care how many. You go back indictments, they are all signed by multiple people. They are signed by the people who actually presented in the grand jury. They are signed by people who have ethical rules that mean that they will only present if they can not only prove beyond a reasonable doubt to convict, but also to sustain on an appeal. And that didn't happen here. And no one was willing. This happened in the Southern District of New York when they wanted, when Justice Trump wanted the indictment dismissed against Eric Adams. And everyone said, no, we're not doing it, and left. And we're seeing an outpouring of lawyers from the Department of Justice because they are being asked to do unethical things that they won't do. And thank heavens for that. The problem is they will be replaced with people who will do it. During Watergate, we actually had this issue when Archie Cox was fired, and so was the attorney general and the deputy attorney general. We weren't sure if we had been fired, and we thought, should we leave in protest? And Archie Cox said, do not leave. You are the ones who can do the job. And unless you are prevented from doing what is right and moral and that follows the law and the facts, you must stay. I can understand why people in DOJ now fear that they will be forced to do unethical things where they will risk their licenses, risk their morality. And so it's really hard. And I can sympathize with them wanting to leave under these circumstances.
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Joy Reid
I want to take advantage of the last few minutes I have with you to ask you about another issue, because I want to note for, also for our audience, Donald Trump. They've also sent essentially word to Fani Willis. They made it clear that they're going to try to prosecute her. They've demanded her travel records. They're trying to find a way to prosecute Fani Willis. Okay, check. She prosecuted Trump. She indicted Trump in Georgia. They want to indict the Attorney General of New York, Letitia James check. She won a case against Donald Trump for bilking the people of New York. So Donald Trump is just going down the list of the people that he feels wronged him and he's trying to prosecute them all. But I want to do one quick turn. Speaking of doing things you're not meant to do, let's show a picture of Pete Hegsett. This is actually a 16 if we get a chance. A 16 Pete Eggset, the guy with the tats all over him. That was the Fox News host that's now the Secretary of Defense. He has now called all of the senior military people from all over the world to come and fly to D.C. and at a huge expense having to leave their post overseas for a meeting. And I believe the meeting is tomorrow. And no one is clear what this meeting is about, but some people are saying it's giving 1930s Hitler demanding personal loyalty from the troops. And I know that you also have been in your legal career representing the Defense Department, representing, you know, our, our military. What do you make of this demand that the military come and show themselves to Pete Hegseth so that he can, quote, give a short speech.
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Jill Winebanks
First of all, for a short speech to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to bring people in is an outrage. Not only that, but they are not at their duty posts. If there is a disaster somewhere, they won't be there to do their job. Third, they will all be in one place, which means that a maligned force could do something horrible that would endanger our leadership. Fourth, what is he doing if he's giving them a pep talk? One, I don't believe they need it. And two, he could do it by zoom. And three, is he just trying to show he a major that he controls generals? I mean, I know that sounds as petty as he and Donald Trump are, but I have to wonder about it because he's so outranked by them. Not now. Now he has the equivalent of a four star rank as the Secretary of Defense. I refuse to say the Secretary of War because that's just.
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Joy Reid
So.
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Jill Winebanks
I think this is a very dangerous thing that he is doing. And if I were a military officer, I don't know how I would respond to this. Obviously you do what you're ordered because that's the case. Except you don't follow illegal orders. And I wonder about the people who are involved, for example, in the attacks on the three boats that we don't know had any drugs on them, where civilians were killed. That's murder. It's a violation. I've done some research. Definitely a violation of international law. How did they feel about carrying out that order? To me, that's an illegal order. You interdict a movie, you search it. If there's drugs, you seize it. And the people on it do not murder. That's execution. So everything that's wrong. And if I could mention one other thing which really bothers me, there is a committee called Dakowitz, the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Service, which has, since I think, the 50s, done some remarkable work to make it better for women in the military. And he has now abolished that group. I was involved in legislation to abolish the wacs, which was the Women's Army Corps. And the reason that I was involved in that, the reason I did that, the reason I supported that, is because in the old days, women could only be as a general had two slots, the head of the Women's Army Corps and the head of the Nursing corps. Whereas there were hundreds of generals in the regular army. By eliminating wacs, women became part of the regular army. And we now have four star generals. By the way, those were brigadiers. Now we have four star generals, many of them not an equal number, but we have a good number now. Women need to be treated properly. They need to be considered. And Dachowicz is important. It must be brought back. I'm really very much upset about that.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. I mean, this whole. It's all about erasing women, people of color from the history and heroism in the United States. Before I let you go, what is your pin? And we have a 20. Jason, we have a. We have a close up of the pin. There it is. Tell us what we know what it is.
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Jill Winebanks
It is Donald Trump in the very famous Nixon victory sign when he resigned. I hope we do see that when he resigns, but I don't think that's going to happen. But, yeah, he's morphing into Nixon, only way worse. There's no comparison. Nixon believed in the rule of law. He violated it. But when he really got down to it, he left office in disgrace. He resigned because he believed in the rule of law. Donald Trump does not even believe in the rule of law and he will never obey it. We must resist. I also have a new pin that's a paperclip because in Norway during the war, resistors wore a paperclip and as a secret sign of their resistance. And I'm debating whether I have to wear the resistance pin every single day, although with Latifah under attack. Maybe that's a sign of, I don't know, being part of antifa. I am anti fascist for sure.
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Joy Reid
I never call it antifa. I just call it anti fascism because you have to say it out so that you make it clear what the other side is. Because if we're the anti fascists, you know what the other side is. Jill Winebanks, thank you so much. I'm gonna get myself a safety pin, too and wear it as well. Thank you, my friend. I appreciate you. Paperclip, Paperclip. Sending one. All right, send me a paper. We'll wear one together. We're going to have you back on. We'll both be in our, our, our, our, our clips together. Thank you very much, my friend. I appreciate.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
Thank you.
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Joy Reid
Thank you. And so there we go. I want to, I want to play you guys one piece of sound before we move on to the next topic. And this is a 19 for, for Mr. Jason Reed. And because the thing about what Donald Trump is doing to the military and Jill did used to represent military folks. Oh, thank you, Adem. Aid m for the 499 for the tip. We appreciate you. Thank you very much for throwing a little something in the till. Let's play this. Because military people are said to be completely on the side of Donald Trump. That's the supposition that people make is that Donald Trump has the military locked down. That is not necessarily true. I want to play for you. Let me see if I can find so I can make sure that I know who it is that we're reading it for. But, but let's just play it and then I'll tell you who it is after on the other side. This is from another YouTube channel. Take a look.
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Jason Reed
Hegseth has called a meeting of all military senior leaders next week. And there are a couple reasons why he could be doing this. And I'm going to walk you through some of them.
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Joy Reid
Okay.
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Jason Reed
One reason is he could ask all of these leaders for a pledge of loyalty to Donald Trump instead of the Constitution. And if they don't give that pledge, he could have them fired or arrested. Arrested. And when you hear that and you go like, holy, it's all over, they're going to take over the military. In order for me to believe that, which I don't, I would have to believe that every other leader and military person underneath them was going to just roll over if their leaders got arrested or fired. And that's not the case because let me be clear about this. Our entire military, especially the Officers, especially the leaders from top to bottom, are trained in military history and are trained, the UCMJ are trained in the Constitution. And the higher up they go, the better off they're trained. And they are trained against enemies, foreign and domestic. And if you don't think in the back of their minds that they have thought about this or this coming down the pipe in some way, you would be wrong. The previous time that Trump was running the country, military leaders were aware of this and they were preparing for this. They understood this was a possibility. During Biden's administration, when Milley gave that speech, we do not answer to a king, they were preparing for this. When Biden said, remember your oath, they are preparing for this. So this is something that's been in the back of a lot of people's minds, a lot of military personnel's minds for multiple years. It was something you hoped would never really happen, but you knew it was there because it does say end domestic. And so they are prepared for that. And they're also prepared to do what they have to do if that is the case. If military leaders start getting fired and there's a pledge of loyalty that becomes a domestic enemy. And you can't tell me that the entire military is just going to suddenly roll over in all of these units, right? And some people will say like, oh, look how veterans voted in 2024. Okay, I'll look at how veterans voted and it was like 67% that voted for Trump. But I'll also look at the fact that 50% of post 911 veterans voted for Kamala Harris. I'll also point you to the fact that the VA has been decimated, right? They have had military members rolling out red carpets for Putin. They put on a military parade where the military was not having that. They had flyovers where for like the first time in history, the flyover was delayed because the military was sending a message. They had, they had to pass over 38, 38, four star generals to find a retired three star general to be his chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They fired the leader of the DIA for doing his job and giving the assessment of his agency. They fired him for doing his job. And if you think that sent a bunch of feel good vibes throughout the military, it did not. They understood that this guy was getting fired for telling the truth, which is what you were trained to do in the military. That did not go over well. Kegseth is a running meme. There are articles about this. He's a running meme inside the military okay. The support of the military is not there for this administration.
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Joy Reid
That is Hawks podcast. Big up to reader Jasmine Clark for forwarding that on. Thank you very much. Really appreciate. And this is. I think that's the word. That's a word for us right now. Thank you to Gail Lewis through $2 in the till. Thank you very much to everybody that's in the chat. We love you guys. Thank you all for the big ups in the chat. Let me pick up one more person in the chat, Nicole Marks. Thank you very much for the kind words and the 499. We love it. Thank you very much. We've thrown 4.99 more in the tail. All right, moving on to our next topic. Over the weekend we got some news of the New York Mayor's race. Eric Adams surprised everybody by dropping out of the race. Dropping out of the race. He's out. We're going to go to B2 if we can get a chance. Jason. We go to B2, which is the video which is going to show what he said and a little bit of the, a little bit of his dropout message because he actually posted a video on social media in which he explained why he's dropping out. Here's B2. Meanwhile, New York City Mayor Eric Adams is ending his bid for reelection. Former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo's allies have long pushed Adams to withdraw to give Cuomo a better chance against Democratic nominee Zaran Mandani in November. Adams announcing his decision on social media yesterday with this video.
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News Reporter / Voiceover
I cannot continue my re election campaign. The constant media speculation about my future and the Campaign Finance Board's decision to withhold millions of dollars have undermined my ability to, to raise the funds needed for a serious campaign.
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Joy Reid
The move comes after Mom. Donnie, a self professed Democratic socialist, took a stunning win in June's Democratic primary over Andrew Cuomo. All right, thank you very much. Local news. And you got to love. You got to love the way they. Oh, you got to love the way they emphasize Democratic Socialist. Mamdani and Sliwa actually reacted to this. This is B3. This is the reaction from Mom Donning. Republican candidate Curtis Sliwa talked about the shakeup and what's ahead in the race. What I can say is that I don't contest his diagnosis of the problems that the city is facing. He was saying that our next mayor needs to be focused on lowering costs, on improving quality of life, on keeping the city safe. And that is at the heart of this campaign. I think what I can test is the delivery of Those things over these last four years, these billionaires have been wrong every step of the way. First they love Cuomo. Then on the rebound, they went to Eric Adams. Remember back in June 24th when Cuomo lost? What was everybody saying that I should.
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News Reporter / Voiceover
Do at that point?
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Joy Reid
Drop out for Eric Adams. How did that work out? Does he have hair under there? I cannot. You know, I have to show this to you guys. I cannot. I always. I've never seen Curtis Lee without that hat. I don't know if he's completely bald under his hat. I don't know what's happening. But I have to show you guys. This, this is before I have to show you Curtis Lewa with his cat. It's, it's, it just is emblematic of, of. Yeah, There it is. Mr. Bigglesworth. Does he ever take that hat off? Join me now. Maybe she can answer this question. Is my friend Christina Greer, associate professor of Political Science at Fort University Lincoln Center Manhattan Campus and co host of the FAQ NYC Politics podcast. Does he have hair? I just need to know, does he have any hair?
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Christina Greer
I've never seen it. Known him and been on air with him at New York One for many, many years. I've never seen him without the head. And if you remember, Joy, there was a In Living Color sketch that Jim Carrey did making fun of him when he was a guardian angel patrolling the subway in, in the 90s and the late 80s.
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Joy Reid
Well, that's what I was going to mention. For those who are not used to New York, who are not from New York, that get up that he wears is the guardian angels. They used to like put on that same getup. They all have, the red beret and they ride around on the subway like keeping everybody safe. I'm not sure what they would do if somebody tried to hurt you, but they're there to like, be the muscle, you know, for the regular riders on the subway back in the 80s when it was like a little dangerous, even more dangerous. Sometimes it's dangerous to ride the subway. But they would be like the guardians of everyone. And like, that was his get up, like in the 80s and 90s, and he's still wearing it. It's like his stick. It's like the blue bubble coat. The brother from that, that did a black, you know, D ray that wears the blue bubble coat is. That's his uniform.
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Christina Greer
One degree, 100 degrees. Blue vest, don't matter.
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Joy Reid
Blue bubble. Blue, blue, blue bubble coat. Talk to me about this race because the thinking is, sort of thinking is that Adams Dropping out, he only had like 10% of the vote. 10, 11%. Who does it help? The thinking is it helps Cuomo.
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Christina Greer
The thinking is it does help Cuomo. Except. And that's probably true, except for there are going to be some folks because Zormadani is running such an amazing ground game and actually going into black communities and outer borough communities who aren't used to being talked to, there is a possibility for him to actually get some of those votes. The natural inclination is that it goes to Cuomo. A few will go to Sliwa just because of conservative values. And you know, Eric Adams had a pretty broad coalition. I mean, don't forget, as I wrote, you know, many years ago when he first became mayor, he slid across the ideological spectrum. So for particular issues, there's some people who really did like Eric Adams. I think some voters, the polling showed he was really at like 8 and a half, 9% for quite some time. It's strategically, a lot of people want to get a little bit of something as opposed to nothing. And Andrew Cuomo more, more aligns with and Eric Adams than, than the other two candidates.
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Joy Reid
Talk to me about it. Because there is a, it's a strange thing for those who are not familiar with New York City politics. What you essentially have are three Democrats in the race and Curtis Sliwa, who's running as the Republican.
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Christina Greer
Yes.
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Joy Reid
So Curtis Lewis, like a conservative, you know, like he's the guardian angel guy with the, with the cats. I think he has like 15 cats or something like that. So he's there. He's the Republican. Zorhan Momdani is the Democratic candidate who a lot of Democrats refuse to endorse or they'll like barely endorse him. They're like, okay, he's the Democrat, he's the Democratic nominee.
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Christina Greer
Yes.
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Joy Reid
So nominee. He's the Democratic nominee. But then you've got Andrew Cuomo, who's running now as an independent because he got b. And then you've got Eric Adams, who was the supposedly Democratic mayor, but who acted like a right wing Trump Republican. But he also has a lot of black support. Did I explain that right?
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Christina Greer
Yes. So let's back up just a teeny bit. So Curtis Sliwa is the Republican nominee. The Republican nominee usually gets about a third of the vote, so he's not polling at a third. But in the past, Republican nominees always get that because we know some Republicans can never vote for a Democrat. And so that's just what it is. Even though Democrats are disproportionately Registered in New York 6 to 1, right? More Democrats to Republicans. But that is a. Not necessarily an accurate portrayal.
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Joy Reid
Joy, the gremlins get Christina.
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Christina Greer
So many districts of, say, the 51.
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Joy Reid
Oh, Christ.
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Christina Greer
Oh, am I there? Am I back?
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Joy Reid
You don't know your wi fi cut out for a minute. So back up.
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Christina Greer
Okay, let me.
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Joy Reid
Yeah, back up like 20 seconds and say what you say.
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Christina Greer
Okay, so lots of people are registered as Democrats, but that doesn't necessarily. That's that they're Democrats in their hearts. Because so many of our city council districts and state legislative districts are so calcified as Democrats, and you don't even have a Republican running. You could be a little more conservative and still registered as a Democrat. That's how we can have 20 years of Republican mayors, two terms of Giuliani and three of Bloomberg. And people are like, but you guys are Democrats. It's like, are we, though? I mean, we're registered as Democrats, but we are many different shades of blue and also purple. Then you have Eric Adams, who realizes he can't win in the Democratic primary, so he doesn't run in it. He. He creates a party line. He runs as an independent in the general. You have Andrew Cuomo, who ran in a very crowded Democratic primary. We also have this thing called ranked choice voting, where you get up to five choices and, you know, sort of we jockey, and Whoever gets over 40% and is the winner, we have to keep doing that until you. You win actually 50%. So Zoram Hamdani not only wins, but he beats Andrew Cuomo handedly over 13 percentage points.
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Joy Reid
He beats it.
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Christina Greer
So normally you would pack up your bags and go home, Joy, if someone says, I don't want you, yeah, you go. Andrew Cuomo couldn't do that. And so he creates an independent party line, and he's now running in the general election.
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Joy Reid
And let's talk about that Independent, because there are other parties. There's like the Working Families Party, which most Democrats, in order to win, have to also get the Working families parties endorsed. But they're like a progressive, pro worker, you know, party that's got a lot of, like, black support. It's got a lot of, like, working class support. So there's them, and they are backing Mamdani, and he's sort of aligned with them. You've got the Democratic Socialists of America. The Democratic Socialists are also backing Mamdani. So he's got this coalition, but he's also starting to eat into the African American population, the liberal white population. The people voted for Maya Wiley last time. So there's like different pieces that Mamdani's putting together because he has a big lead. Like his lead is more like, it's more than 50%, it's substantial.
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Christina Greer
I mean, here's the thing, Joy, because he's running such a solid campaign, he is like a once in a generation politician. We have seen that. And he's not afraid to go to all five boroughs in all five communities. There was lots of hand wringing and pearl clutching because he actually won the Democratic primary without a majority support of black voters, which is not something New Yorkers are accustomed to see because the black vote in New York has been so substantive. A few things have been happening. Black people are hemorrhaging out of New York City because of the affordability crisis that he talks about and makes his signature case. Also, if I were advising him, which I don't, I don't advise New York candidates, I wouldn't go after black people. You know, black voters are strategic voters. They were with Andrew Cuomo. They know Andrew Cuomo. They knew Andrew Cuomo's father, who was also a three term governor, just like former Andrew Cuomo who was the governor for almost three full terms. Why would they take a chance on a 33 year old from Albany, you know, who's, who's a legislator in Albany who has no citywide experience in a primary. It didn't seem as though he was going to win. Now that he did win and they saw how much he won by, and his message has been clear and consistent and he goes to every single, you know, he was with Al Sharpton the day after the primary saying, these are the issues. I want to make sure people can still stay in New York. They can't stay in New York because they can't afford New York. They can't get to their jobs on time because transportation isn't what it needs to be. Right. It's affordability. It's making the city livable. And the city's already safe to Eric Adams credit. So the sad thing is Eric Adams could have been a legitimate mayor if he had stayed focused, not taken so many people from, you know, the old days to a second location. And he is the one who got in his own way. He can blame as many people as he wants. And we know that there are some racism and there's, there's always racism with black elected, sure. But in Eric Adams case, Eric Adams was the problem. And he only has himself to blame for a lot of the issues that he had. And Zahra Mamdani is actually capitalizing on the fact that some people think about affordability because they're making $40,000 a year. Some people think about affordability because they're making $400,000 a year. But it's actually still a really tight city to live in nowadays. You go to the grocery store, you get barely a bag of groceries for $60. Lots of folks can feel that. I feel that. And I'm gainfully employed and I don't have, you know, four other mouths to feed. So there's a consistency. And also, when there's chaos at the top of the ticket, meaning in Washington, D.C. one of two things usually happens. Either people just say, I just want the status quo. I don't want to change. I don't want to have any big exogenous shocks. DC's already crazy enough. I don't want. I just want things to sort of stay at the bare minimum. We've seen actually the second scenario, which is people say I want to change. Actually, if it's so crazy at the top, then fortune favors the bold. Let's actually do something now and take a chance on this kid who's putting together bold ideas which we haven't seen out of. We've known Cuomo since he was 19 years old. He's also known Donald Trump since then.
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Joy Reid
Right.
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Christina Greer
We've seen Eric Adams. He's been elected for many, many decades. And so why not take something new? And that's what it looks like.
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Joy Reid
Well, the other piece. Yeah, but the other piece of it is, you know, let's just do two buckets. Let's start with Andrew Cuomo. I mean, first of all, there was the scandals, right, which was feeling on folks. Allegedly. Right. There's so many scandals. When he was there, a lot of people were not happy with the way he handled the COVID pandemic when he was governor. So there's a lot of issues that he's got to face now that is also sort of reducing the amount of black support. He also does not have the endorsement in support of the governor, who's like a fairly, you know, conservative Democrat, as Democrats go, who he put in on rolling with him, so. Exactly. And so. But then the other piece is aipac. Let's talk about that. Because aipac, it feels like one of the reasons that Democrats can't consolidate around Mamdani is aipac. AIPAC hates the idea of Mamdani because he's not subservient to this foreign country, who apparently all American politicians are required to be subservient. To. And he's not, especially in New York.
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Christina Greer
So.
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Joy Reid
So that's one piece. Especially in New York where you see all of the mainstream big ticket Democrats running from Mamdani or barely supporting him because they are subservient to Hakeem Jeffries for whatever reason. Aipac, all of them. Right. So tell me how that fades in because it seems to me that somebody said to Eric Adams, get out of this race. We'll get you a job or a seat in the Trump administration. That's the logical conclusion. Now, he'd be difficult to confirm even though, you know, the Republicans would confirm a bag of poop if Donald Trump ordered them to. He could be confirmed, except he's black. So it's different. Right. He's not like Hegseth, dumb. He's, you know, black person. So.
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Christina Greer
And keep in mind, Eric Adams is not dumb. And you know, and he's smart.
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Joy Reid
Right. Eric Gavins is actually a smart person, very smart that knows what he's doing. He Right. If he was a mediocre guy like Hegseth, he could probably get in. But that's my two questions for you.
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Christina Greer
Yeah.
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Joy Reid
How much is AIPAC playing into Adams getting out is a pack. Is Adams being bought off to get out of the race? Is he going to get a job? Is he going to get something from the Trump. Right.
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Christina Greer
So I'm going to take the second.
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Joy Reid
Question first or from apac.
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Christina Greer
So, yeah, you know, a lot of folks are like, oh, is he going to go in the Trump administration? He's going to be, you know, ambassador to Saudi Arabia, which I think is a terrible idea because they do not like shenanigans and party cat. But don't forget, Joy, this is an incredibly wealthy city. And so we've got the business community. We also have the real estate community, which has never left Eric Adams side. So I don't even think he needs to go to D.C. or abroad. He has enough connections and power. He knows how Albany works. He was a legislator. He was a Brooklyn borough president. He was the mayor. We've seen mayors from all over the country trading in sort of their power and their knowledge as consultancies. He will most likely sort of take a seat in some sort of big firm, whether it's real estate or financial, and help them negotiate and think through rough ideas as we buy and sell buildings all throughout New York, that is. And we're constantly having conversations about casinos. There's lots of pushback on casinos because they are horrible for communities. I'm looking at you, Jay Z they are terrible for communities. But there are lots of different boroughs that want new casinos to come in. So Eric Adams does have a role to play in local New York City politics. I don't actually think he needs to go very far for him to have a pretty long career. And he can also advise other cities domestically and internationally. So I think that's where he's going to be as far as aipac. I think that's why we've seen a lot of New York politicians be mealy mouthed for a long time because I think in their hearts, politically, they might want to say, like, listen, the train has left the station, okay? It is on the tracks. It's moving and it's moving without Chuck Schumer, Kirsten Gillibrand and Hakeem Jeffries. Kathy Hochul came around two weeks ago. The two heads, the two African American heads of the state legislature and the state Senate came around. But I think it's possibly the donor class that is actually making sure that certain leaders do not support Zoram Hamdani. If you remember, for those of your, your viewers who were New Yorkers during the big debate, I think it was the second debate during the Democratic primary, the question was asked, where are you if you become mayor, where are you going to go? Where's your first trip? Yeah, I'm going to Disney World. Everyone said, I'm going to Israel.
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Joy Reid
Israel.
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Christina Greer
Zoramdani said, I'm the mayor of New York, I'm going to stay in New York. And then it said, well, do you, why wouldn't you go to Israel? Because I'm the mayor of New York. And then, well, do you not like Israel? Do you not support Israel? So there are lots of these assumptions where, you know, he has been very skilled at saying, just because I have very strong feelings about certain international relations, that does not make me an anti Semite. He deals with enough Islamophobia and, and threats of his own to understand, you know, he's talked to rabbis and Jewish leaders across New York to sort of say, this is, I'm having an honest conversation about how we can disagree about international politics. But that does not mean I'm denigrating an entire race group, religious ethnicity, however it is amorphously defined because that's very individual and somewhat complicated when it comes to New York. But there is a money piece behind all electeds and a lobbying piece behind all electeds, especially, especially when we're talking about the New York City mayor's race, which is arguably the second most important job in the city. In, in the country. And so in New York, I always argue that there's like, you know, when you go on safari, you got to see the big five, right? And so you're always looking out for, like, the big five animals. In New York, I argue that the big four are real estate, business, labor, and the Hasidic community. Thus far, Zoram Hamdani only has the backing of labor and not even all of labor. But what he does have is the people power. He walked from the top of Manhattan all the way down to the bottom, and every single different type of community. New York is nothing but small neighborhoods. I know we're 9 million people almost, but we are nothing but little enclaves, little mayors here and there, little folks that, you know, sort of have their bodegas or have their blocks. And he is not afraid to talk to each and every one of them and sit there and answer their questions. There's the difference. So this is the first time that the moneyed class and the powerful class, and there's the Venn diagram of the two. This will be the second race in a row where they didn't hand cherry pick the mayor. They didn't choose Eric Adams. They didn't know him. They didn't know people who knew him. They didn't choose Mamdani. They don't know him. They don't know people who know him. So this is also a tectonic shift in New York, where we're now going to possibly see. And don't forget, November 4th is still a ways away. And there's a lot that can happen, right? Three weeks ago we had five candidates. Now we have three. So there, there's some tectonic shifts, but if he is victorious and he's sworn in on January 1, which is so beautiful, how we do this in New York. It's a new year, it's a new day. We get a new mayor, the business class and the moneyed class will have round two of not selecting who they want and not having control over who they want. And this, there's a real opportunity, I think, for a lot of New Yorkers who saw a real opportunity with Eric Adams because he went to the outer boroughs. When Maya Wy, who I have deep love and admiration and respect for, and Katherine Garcia and all the other Democratic candidates went to the same six neighborhoods and were hounding their message because these are highly participatory neighborhoods. Eric Adams didn't visit those once. He went to all the outer boroughs. And these are the first for many people, the first time a mayoral candidate and then a mayor ever spoke to them. Zoramdani is actually doing both. He's going to the popular six neighborhoods where all the voters are. He's also going to the outer boroughs the way Eric Adams did. And that is a shift that the sort of powerful class in New York is wrapping their head around. And he's also very young. He also doesn't have a lot of citywide experience. So we will see people from the de Blasio administration, from the Bloomberg administration coming into the Ford to assist him. And I think the biggest problem he's going to have or are with his die hard DSA supporters who want him to be the candidate that they imagine the very first day. But we all know that compromise is the essence of democracy and he's going to have to do a lot of.
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Joy Reid
It as mayor of New York City. It is going to be very interesting. Christina Greer, my friend, thank you very, very, very much. We appreciate you always here to break down the NYC of it all. Christina Greer, my friend, thank you very much. We watch it.
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Christina Greer
Take care.
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Joy Reid
Thank you very much. Well, you heard it here. Christina Greer, laying it out for you. It's gonna be an interesting race. An uncontrolled mayor, a mayor who is not under the control of. Not under the control of the billionaire class in New York City, not under the control of Wall street guy from Queens by way of Uganda. His mom, by the way, is the woman, Mira Nair, who made the movie Mississippi Masala. I think we mentioned that on the show before. So his mom is a filmmaker, his father is a professor, his middle name is Kwame, which cannot hurt in increasing his share of the black vote. All right, before we head up to the top of the hour, we are zooming in on the top of the hour, hour two. How are you guys liking this new two hour format of the Joy Reacho? We're experimenting because, you know, we're new. We're like three months old, we're a toddler and so we get to play around. I want to say a couple of things that I didn't get to at the top.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
I think we turned four.
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Joy Reid
Do we turn four? Are we about to be four?
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Jason (co-host or producer)
Yeah, maybe five months.
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Joy Reid
We're four years old. We're four years old. But I want to say this because I didn't get to the at the top. And I really think you guys got to understand this. Throughout the last decade or so, right, Jason? Of our lives, the FBI directors that we can remember have been Chris Wray, Robert Mueller and James Comey. And they are actually connected in a lot of interesting ways. Did you guys know that? I don't know if you guys know this, but I need to really quickly before we get to the top of the hour.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
There were a few others before.
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Joy Reid
There have been a few others, but they're the three most memorable FBI directors that we know. Robert Mueller is the guy who was the Attorney General of the United states right after 9 11. So he is the guy who comes in after 9 11. And so he's the one who was attempting to deal with the fact that the US was not prepared for 9 11. So that's who he is. There was this incident that I don't know if you guys remember when Comey. When Robert Mueller, who's the guy who did the Mueller report, he's the one who found. Who. Who did the report on Donald Trump playing footsie with the Russians. Y' all remember that? But the other thing that you have to remember about Robert Mueller is there was a time when he and other members of the DOJ threatened to resign, as did James Comey, who at the time was an acting deputy attorney general, because the Bush administration was attempting to warrantlessly wiretap Americans. Remember this? They had this thing called. I think it was Operation Tailwind or something, where they were going to wiretap Americans phones. But also, we later found out Internet. And Mueller and Comey attempted to resign after Comey races to the bedside of John Ashcroft, who was the attorney general at the time, because the DOJ had ruled the warrantless wiretapping to be illegal. And so because Ashcroft was getting like, his spleen out or something, and he's like, under meds. The act. The person who was the acting attorney general was like, I'm gonna go ahead and sign off on this wiretapping. Comey was like, oh, no, you're not. And races to the hospital bed to say, yo, yo, yo, John Ashcroft, don't let this happen. Remember this?
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Jason (co-host or producer)
Was it Alfonso Gonzalez?
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Joy Reid
No, no, it was Alberto Gonzalez. Alberto Gonzalez was gonna allow the Bush 1W, the Bush 2W administration, to warrantlessly wiretap us. And Comey and Mueller teamed up to say, no, we have a picture. Let me see if I can find it. Of Comey and. And mold Comey and Mueller and Obama all together.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
Which one is that?
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Joy Reid
And let me try to find it, because the. There. Let me see if I can find it. I gotta find it. I gotta find it. I gotta find it. But Obama turns around and he nominates Comey to succeed. It's a 11. He nominates Comey to to succeed Mueller. There they are together. You see them together. Isn't the world interesting? And so the guy on the left of your screen, that's Comey, whose daughter winds up prosecuting not only Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, but also the Diddler. And on the right of your screen is Mueller, who writes the Mueller Report about Donald Trump playing around, playing footsie with the Russians. And now Trump is trying to indict Comey fired his daughter. And he can't really get Mueller because Mueller's been retired. But it's just interesting. I thought that was very interesting. All right, we're into hour two of the Joy Reid show. If you're just joining us. Welcome to the Joy Reid Show. We want to thank everybody that's in the chat. Folk in the chat are remembering the whole Comey, Mueller, Ashcroft contretemps during the Obama administration. All of this stuff ends up overlapping. The things that happened during the Obama administration are the things that, that Donald Trump is still litigating in his mind because his diseased mind cannot get past the fact that he got caught doing things that were criminal, trying to become president, getting help from the Russians, which he did, begging the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton's emails. And Comey's been in the middle of all of this stuff. He's been the good guy and the bad guy. He was Comey the homie. When he rushed to Ashcroft's bedside in order to stop the acting AG Alberto Gonzalez from allowing them to the government to wiretap us, then he was the bad guy when 11 days before the 2016 election, he pops out on camera and says, hey, we're investigating Hillary Clinton's emails. We think we found some more emails. Then three days before the election, he comes out and says, never mind, we didn't find anything in the emails. So then he's the bad guy. Then he's the good guy again when he oversees the investigation of Donald Trump messing with the Russians. And now Trump wants to prosecute him. He's been both. And when he became Trump's FBI director before he got rid of Trump, got rid of him and put in Christopher Wray. He tells a story about walking into the Oval Office and he's really tall, Comey. And he says, as tall and big as he is, he was trying to hide in the drapes because he got the sense that Trump wanted him to pledge a personal loath of loyalty to him. And, and he didn't want to do it. He didn't want to do it, that is, who is president of the United States. Someone who a former two former FBI directors have caught being corrupt when it comes to Russia, who is now trying to prosecute all of the prosecutors who prosecuted him because he was caught by Fani Willis trying to steal the election in Georgia. He said, please, can you give me 11,000 votes, come find me. 11,000 votes. That's what he said to that state secretary of state who wouldn't do it. And now he wants to prosecute Fondi Willis. They've asked her for information about her travel. He got caught stealing from the people of New York by the Attorney General of New York, Letitia James. Now he wants to prosecute her, claiming she committed mortgage fraud, which she didn't. Now he wants to prosecute James Comey because James Comey busted him getting help from the Russians. And he fires Comey's daughter, who prosecuted Epstein when Donald Trump is doing everything in his power to not release the Epstein files. And that lady is who prosecuted Epstein and the diddler. It all, when you start to think about it that way, it's actually pretty creepy because you think about it, this is the other big story that's been happening in the US and so let's go into the violence that we've seen happening all over the country that Donald Trump would love to try to tell you is coming from the left. But I want to play for you. This is C1, Mr. Jason Reed. This is Chris Ray, who I told you, these are the three FBI directors that in my sort of last decade or two that I can recall, Mueller, Comey and Chris Ray. So when Trump finally gets rid of Comey, he brings in this guy Christopher Ray, who then becomes the FBI director. He carries over into the Biden administration. So this is after the, after Donald Trump loses the election in 2020, Chris Wray is, is, stays on as FBI director and he goes and he testifies in September, in March of 2021, he does this testimony. And by the way, I just want to not a note for you that Chris Ray is a lifelong Republican. From everything we know about his biography. Here is his testimony. And I played some different sound last week, but this is the sound I actually wanted to play. This is him testifying when he's asked the question by a member of the United States Senate who is responsible for the majority of violence in America. And here's what he said. This is C1.
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I
According to the FBI, domestic terrorists killed 39 people in fiscal year 2019, making it the most deadly year for domestic terrorism since the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. My question to you, Mr. Wray, is.
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Jason Reed
How would you characterize the domestic terrorist threat posed by white citizens supremacist?
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Ted Cruz (quoted)
So first I would say that domestic terrorism generally, in particular self radicalized, typically lone actors here represents a serious persistent threat. I think we had about 107 domestic terrorism arrests in fiscal year 19, which is close to the same number that we had on the international terrorism front, front within the domestic terrorism group. And we have about at any given time the number fluctuates. But at any given time we have about 1,000. Sometimes it's closer to 900, sometimes it's above 1,000. Domestic terrorism investigations, a huge chunk of those domestic terrorism investigations involve racially motivated, violent extremist motivated terrorist attacks. And the majority of those of the racially motivated violent extremist attacks are fueled by some kind of white supremacy. And I would say that the most lethal activity over the last few years has been committed by those type of attackers.
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Joy Reid
And there you have it. Racially motivated violent extremists. R M V E, that used to be a designation within the FBI. And they've been working on trying to figure out why racially motivated violent extremism is so prevalent in the United states for nearly 20 years. Know that this is something the FBI has been tracking for a really long time, going all the way back more than 20 years, back to the Oklahoma City bombings because they have this cadre of right wing white male armed extremists who normally are lone actors, but sometimes act in groups, as the Oklahoma City bomber did, which he had a partner. And they are the biggest source of violence in the United States, period. The FBI used to post that information online because I used to download it when I was at News now, but you can't even get it anymore because they deleted it. So now I want to bring you to. And Let me answer Kev 7:24:7's question. Why are all FBI directors usually Republicans? Because law enforcement, whether it's federal or state, tends to pull from conservative people. And also most FBI directors are white men. And just statistically, most white Americans are Republicans, just like statistically most black Americans are Democrats. So if you throw a Rock at 10 white people, six of those people will be Republicans. If you throw a Rock at 10 black people, eight of those people will be Democrats. It's just we have racially polarized voting in America. So the fact that every FBI director has been a white man means that statistically they're mostly Republicans. And Republicans tend to be conservative. So it's just, that's just the data, that's just the way it is. But I want to now bring you to something called the Mass Shooting Tracker. This is a site that spends their time tracking mass shootings. We have an epidemic in this country of mass shootings. So just in this year of 2025, we've had 381 mass shootings. There's been one day since the last mass shooting. So let's go to what those last mass shootings are. They actually break down the next slide there is going to break down what they are. We just had five more mass shootings. We had the one in Eagle Pass, Texas. That shooter was actually black. The other four are white shooters. So statistically it's bearing out well. Gunmanone known in New Orleans, we actually don't know about that one. But the last three in Grand Blank, Michigan, in Southport, North Carolina and in Raleigh, North Carolina. But let's go to. I want to start with the one that happened in Michigan. I believe we have a little piece of video that we want to show you about the really horrific shooting of a Mormon church in Grand Blank, Michigan, which is not that far from Flint, Michigan. Jason, do we have that? This is.
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I
Authorities have identified the suspect in the devastating attack on a Michigan church as Trump loving veteran, 40 year old Thomas Jacob Sanford. Sanford is accused of killing at least four people and injuring eight others during a violent rampage on Sunday. According to investigators, he allegedly drove his vehicle through the front entrance of the church, opened fire with an assault rifle and then used a flammable substance believed to be gasoline to set the building on fire. Seven victims remain hospitalized in stable condition while at least one individual is reported to be in critical condition.
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Joy Reid
We do believe that we will find additional victims once we have that scene secure.
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I
Sanford, who served in the US military from June 2004 to June 2008, had frequently expressed support for President Donald Trump and shared conservative political political views on social media. In one image, Sanford poses alongside his wife and son wearing a pro Trump shirt with the message make liberals cry again.
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Joy Reid
So that makes our total victim count.
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Jason Reed
Up to four victims.
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Joy Reid
As I said before, there has already been the suspect who is deceased as well. So we have five deceased persons from this tragic incident.
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Jason Reed
No, we have not cleared the entire church just yet.
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I
Following the incident, President Trump released a statement on Truth Social saying this epidemic of violence in our country must end immediately. Authorities are continuing to investigate the motive behind the attack.
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Joy Reid
A very muted statement from Donald Trump when this person and his Family are all over social media. They haven't taken down even their Facebook to show that they are extremely right wing. Let me show you both the Michigan and the North Carolina shooters. This is C4, and this is just so you can see. These are the two most recent mass shootings that we've had. We've had five mass shootings in 24 hours. Here's two of them. You can just let me know what you think they might have in common. They're both extremely right wing people. Extremely right wing. And in the case of the Michigan shooter, his family are also right wing and their Facebook is filled with right wing chatter and right wing sort of attacks on liberals. Let's go to C7. The North Carolina shooter was also a conspiracy theorist. This is a guy in Southport who literally rode up in a boat and started shooting up the port where people were eating at restaurants and enjoying themselves, attacks the restaurant, kills multiple people. He had a conspiracy theory against LGBTQ people saying they were out to get him. They believe he believed that LGBTQ people were out to get him. So I'm thinking he was right. Also another right wing shooter. But Donald Trump has decided that who he needs to have his government target is antifa, something that isn't real. There's no such thing. Here's some breaking news for you. There's no such thing as antifa. Antifa just means anti fascist. Anti fascist demonstrators tend to show up wherever neo Nazis show up. So when the Charlottesville, when the Charlottesville march happened, when the Tiki torch march happened, and then the next day it emerged into a riot in which Heather Heyer, a white Black Lives Matter supporter, was killed, they started physically fighting people who showed up to try to oppose them. They were literally a bunch of neo Nazis who showed a bunch of far right wingers who showed up. And this thing turned into a riot. And one of the neo Nazis drove his car into Heather Heyer because one of the sort of things on the far right that they love to do is drive their cars into people. It's one of their things. And when the anti fascists show up, and typically the anti fascists will show up wearing all black and they will fight the neo Nazis. Donald Trump's administration, I want you to really take this in, have said that the anti fascists who show up and physically fight neo Nazis are the real domestic terrorists, not the neo Nazis. And they have to say that because Donald Trump pardoned 1600 far right oath keepers, proud boys who are all far right wing extremists. He said they're fine. They're patriots. They love this country. He said of the Tiki Torch marchers. Some of them were bad people, but some of them are very fine people on both sides. But they were neo Nazi. By the way, Nick Fuentes, who a lot of black YouTubers are stanning on a daily basis and acting like he's their savior, even though he really hates black people and says he's racist himself, says he's racist. He was at that rally, the Tiki Torch rally. He was at that. I think he was at the one the next day. And he ended up dropping out of college because he got so much flack for being part of that, that movement, which is a neo Nazi movement. But Donald Trump's administration says the real threat in America are anti fascist. So if anyone ever says to you antifa, spell it out for them. Anti fascist. Because if you are against anti fascists, you are a fill in the blanks. You're a fascist because you're either a fascist or you're anti fascist. You're either a fascist or you're anti fascist. And the way that you truncate the word anti fascist is they say antifa. But even if you say, okay, okay, okay, not all antifascists are antifa. The only antifa people who ever show up and do anything violent are the young, mainly men who put on all black and physically fight neo Nazis. And the Trump regime has said that those people are domestic terrorists. I'm just going to let you figure out what that means because it sounds to me like what the Trump regime is saying is that, yeah, we're fascists. So let's go on to our next story here because we're going to welcome a guest in a moment who's going to talk a little bit about this. There is a thing that we called a gulag. You can call it a concentration camp. I call it a concentration camp in Florida. It's. Its nickname was Alligator Alcatraz. That is what the Republican regime in Florida decided to call this concentration camp. And they put hundreds and hundreds of mainly men who had not had any trials or adjudication into this facility. A judge, a federal judge said they needed to close the facility, not because detaining those men was illegal, but because it was an environmental hazard to. Because the actual physical location was in the Everglades. And it was actually destroying the Everglades to build a jail there. When the judge ordered it closed, the judge required every single detainee inside of, quote, Alligator Alcatraz. And by the way, the really repugnant. Governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, one of the worst governors in America and one of the most fascist governments in America. They would. They were selling T shirts that said Alligator apple cheese. They thought it was funny. And it was sort of a joke in a way, I think, on the fact that in Florida, slave owners used to feed black children, enslaved black kids to use them as gator bait. And so they revived this old tradition of now using Latinos, Latinos as gator bait. Most of those people were moved out of that facility because it closed. But no one knows where these people are. Hundreds and hundreds of those prisoners have disappeared. The ICE database that is supposed to track where they are cannot tell anyone where these people are. We didn't even have full information on who all of these people were. We just know that the conditions inside of this place called Alligator Alcatraz were horrific. People were not getting proper food. People were standing up for hours and hours at a time with no place to lie down. It. It was ice cold or too hot. It was horrific human rights violations. I mean, we're. We're doing Israel in the United States like they're doing to the Palestinians, except not killing them. We don't think, we don't know. But people were either being deported to foreign countries. We just don't know what was happening. A lot of those people are now missing. So I'm going to put a pin in that. Another story, An ICE facility in the state of Texas was targeted by yet another gunman who shot up the facility and injured. And killed. He killed one detainee and injured two others. And so now we're seeing these facilities being targeted by gunmen and extremists, and it was detainees who wound up dying in that situation. To talk about all of these things, I'm really excited to be joined by my friend who I have not seen in person in a long time. So we got to catch up. Adrian Carrasquillo, national journalist, who is really one of the best in doing immigration related reporting. He was one of my favorite guests back on my AM Joy Days, like back in the day day. So we go back quite a way. He's the author of Huddled Masses, a national immigration newsletter from the Bulwark. Adrian, thank you so much for being here.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
Thank you so much, Troy.
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Joy Reid
If I was your auntie, I'll say, adrian, what's going on?
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Adrian Carrasquillo
Little trauma, A little flashback I'm giving you.
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Joy Reid
I'm sharing my trauma with you, my friend. I'm sharing my trauma. Let's talk first about. I Want to start with Alligator Alcatraz because, and I hate calling it that, the, the Florida concentration camp. What do you know, if anything, about what happened to the men? I think it was all men that were housed there.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
I think that that's, you know, something that we've been wondering about. You know, there were so many activists and there's some excellent Florida immigration activists who would talk to me about Cubans in South Florida, Venezuelans in South Florida who, you know, maybe supported Trump or were just sort of part of that, you know, the reddening of Florida and that Latino, those Latino communities that were holding, you know, press conferences and asking where their family members were and, and, and people that were. That those. Not just Alligator Alcatraz, there's another one down in Florida that are just really bad centers that have had human rights abuses.
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Joy Reid
You mean Chrome? Chrome Detention.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
Exactly, exactly.
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Joy Reid
Notorious.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
Notorious. And people that like. And literally one guy who works for Florida Immigration Coalition down there told me that Alligator Alcatraz was so bad that their family members were excited when they were going to Chrome. They were happy. And these are centers that have been. And we know this sort of race to the bottom of inhumanity of Desantis wanting to follow the Trump administration. Everyone wants to seem tough on immigrants. So I think that that's something that we're wondering and I haven't looked into it as much. I want to do it in one of my fields, future newsletters. But just like we're seeing it from state to state, this inhumanity when it comes to immigrants and just how bad we can treat them.
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Joy Reid
The other thing I think we're seeing, and I think Jason pointed out that I don't want to make sure that I'm very clear that they were not threatening to feed the people who are in Alligator Alcatraz to the alligators, but they were sort of making a joke about it and there were people joking about it and it was enslaved young black children that used to be fed to alligators in the exact same state of Florida. So just want to make sure we clarify that. But I want to talk about the violence that ICE is. I mean, it's really becoming at this point. It's a daily and we're trying not to get numb to it. And Jason, this is D3. I just want to play this because this is something that happened during an ICE raid that has actually become fairly typical of what the way ICE operates. And here it is. This is D3. A 79 year old business owner says.
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Jill Winebanks
He was body slammed by federal agents.
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Joy Reid
During an immigration raid. Despite being a US Citizen, we're hearing.
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J
More from him tonight as he files.
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Joy Reid
A $50 million lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security. Fox 11's Laura Diaz now with the details. Laura.
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J
Surveillance video shows agents first approaching the elderly man inside of his business two weeks ago. He says he attempted to ask them what they needed and pleaded with them to allow his workers to retrieve their papers, proving they had a right to work in the U.S. instead, he was thrown to the ground.
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Joy Reid
So you were two times. One in the hallway, one in the.
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News Reporter / Voiceover
Hallway and one outside.
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J
Undeterred, he followed the agents outside, where he says the encounter escalated. Even though he was respectful, Rafi was now terrified, outnumbered and outmuscled.
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Joy Reid
What can I do for you? That one of the guys came, grabbed me here and two guys attacked me from the back and they throw me on the ground.
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J
At a news conference Thursday called by Shoehead's attorney announcing a $50 million civil rights claim, Rafi said that he suffered multiple broken ribs, damage to his brain from being slammed headfirst into the ground. He showed his bruises to reporters. Despite his protests that he's an American citizen, he says he was arrested, detained at a federal center for hours upon hours without medical attention.
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Joy Reid
Adrian, this is becoming the reality for basically anyone brown and black who unfortunately roll gets rolled up on by these mainly mask wearing, ice Gestapo thugs. Sorry, yeah, what in the hell?
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Adrian Carrasquillo
Yeah, I, I actually had, not to sound like Trump, but I actually had a friend, a reporter, really well respected reporter who called me basically crying, being like, are we doing enough? Are we doing enough on the racial profiling? Are we doing enough on the US Citizens getting slammed into walls? And, you know, these are the questions we have to ask ourselves. When you see something like that, it reminds me that in his first term, the first newsletter that I did for the Bulwark this year was about that. Actually in Trump's first term, they rolled up on a bunch of immigrants in a like meat packing place and one guy put his boot on someone's neck for 20 seconds and they got sued and they lost a class action lawsuit. And, and it sounds insane, but it's true. The moment we're in, there need to be lawsuits. There need to be US citizens, people who have rights, who are then have their rights violated in horrible ways, have to stand up and have to sue and have to fight back because they are able to do that. And that can at least maybe slow some of the what we're seeing with this muscling up of ice. With $45 billion, all the stuff that's happening is only going to be happening more. And it's really scary stuff.
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Joy Reid
But I mean, the thing is, I want to go through some of these Wall Street Journal numbers because it isn't resulting in necessarily more detentions, it's just worse detentions. I'm going to go through these very quickly. This is the Wall Street Journal. They pulled a bunch of data. This is the first piece. Most of the people who are being deported are men under the age of 40, between 20 and 39. And this is the prime demographic for workers who are in construction, farming, factories and other labor intensive occupations. So they're taking away people in construction, farming, factories and other labor intensive occupations. Let's go to the next one where they're sending people. They're sending people to Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala and mainly Mexico. That's where they're mainly sending people to. And then they have a handful that they're sending to even wilder places, like places on the African continent where these people have never been. But then let's go to this next one where you're seeing the number of people in detention is spiking. So during Biden it actually was pretty low in terms of the number of people in detention. It then starts to creep up, up, up, up, up. But you have to remember this is the cause of the pandemic. But look at the other side of this graph. People who are watching this online. Donald Trump, in terms of ICE deportation, did a lot of deportations when he was taking babies from their screaming, their screaming babies from their moms, etc. Biden reduces that, then he starts doing more detentions. Now you can look at what Trump is doing. It's spiking again where he's taking in more and more people, but it's about what he was doing in his first term. And then I'm going to do one more arrest that surged at the beginning of the year where you're seeing when Biden's term ends, you first start seeing detentions and arrests go down a little bit. And then as Donald Trump and what I want to notice here is that as we're getting closer to the summer and the Epstein files, the more the Epstein you could do like a Venn diagram that would track when the Epstein files. Summer sort of begins, you start seeing a spike again. And then the last thing is the monthly ICE deportations which you can see here, which is they, it goes up and down, but it's, it's increasing. This is Donald Trump doing the thing he promised to do, right? Like he said he was going to get rid of people, and he's doing it. And the last one I'll show you is deportations. There it is. This is the one Jason and I want is deportations through July of each year. You can actually see that, you know, it's fairly low for bi, you know, during Trump's first time. And it's very high actually during COVID and now it's low again. What do you think Donald Trump is doing? Do you think this is mainly performative, or does it seem to be substantive?
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Adrian Carrasquillo
I think there's two parts here we all know. The cruelty is the point. I think there's also a little preview of my next newsletter is I'm getting into the depravity is also the point. And like the way that from the top down, this administration is okay with, you know, beating down the father of three U.S. marines. And so what we're seeing is the interior enforcement. And I think just like going after people that have been here 20, 25 years, like, you laid it out really nicely. These, these men, you know, sort of under 40s men who work in these do our labor for us, this cheap labor that benefits this country. And a lot of those stats, you know, we're through July, we're through the summer. We know then they started doing their, like, we're going to, you're going to bring the military to blue cities. And if you dare fight back because these are your neighbors and your friends, then we're going to say that the blue cities are out of control. So this is working for them in that regard. And the only thing I would add is that as we see the funds of the big beautiful bill become available, we're going to see, as you saw, like, the rise in detention. They're going to be able to do more detentions. And the reason that that's scary, as Congressman Jayapal, Congresswoman Jayapal has been talking about on X and on social media, and I interviewed her for my newsletter is like, the deaths are increasing. And there were, there were already 17 this year that she said there were 12 last year. But she said in recent years, as detentions rose, in recent years, there were three or four. So now as we see more detention with more in inhumane ways of treating people, that's the scary thing to me too. And, and like, how much are we losing our humanity as we just allow people to be grabbed up, US Citizens, racial profiling, people to be beaten down by these agents that are sort of like, we're getting to. I wrote a newsletter like, the. The Worst ICE agents are Coming. I mean.
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Joy Reid
Yeah.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
You know, who is. Who is. Who is drawn to this work at this point?
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Joy Reid
Well, that is my other question. Right. If they're offering $50,000 signing bonuses, which I'm not even sure they're actually delivering on, but it seems to me like the most natural recruits would be proud boys, Oath keepers, boogaloo boys, people who want to beat up brown and black people. Yeah.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
And, I mean, I saw a tweet the other day saying that, like, Republicans get upset when Democrats want to give a $50,000 signing bonus to a teacher or to an educator or who, you know, want to help them with their student loans. But. And so we get the society that what we value and what we value is. Is apparently just having all this enforcement, I guess. You know, in a lot of my newsletters, I try to have some sliver of positivity, because this is all such brutal, terrible stuff. And, you know, I do feel like we saw this in these focus groups that we did recently at the Bulwark, that when it. When it confronts you and when it hits you, you were like, oh, I kind of thought the border was out of control under Biden and the migrant thing. So, like, I kind of was for it.
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Joy Reid
But.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
But now my kid's school is sending us letters saying that we're not gonna allow ICE into the school, and my kids, friends, parents are being taken. And so now it's affecting us. You know, so people are now being affected in that way as well. And it's when it hits.
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Joy Reid
And I will note that in. In. In Iowa, I don't have a graphic for it, but the Iowa school superintendent that was just recently arrested, who's. Who's running a school board, a school district of 30,000 students, who's a former Olympic track star who's been in the country. His family, his parents are from Guyana. They are now deporting him. They've arrested him, and the mainly white school district that he administers is horrified. And people are protesting because they're like, wait, this guy is helping our school? And they're like, no, you got to get him out of here. And they're making it sound like he is a danger. Is this to the focus group that you guys are doing at the Bulwark? Is this starting to change the attitudes and the voting preferences of Latinos? Because we did see Latino men go majority for Trump. There was a lot of support, even Puerto Ricans, even after that comedian Tony Hinchcliff mocked Puerto Rico and said, it's an island of garbage. Trump still did well with Puerto Rican voters. He did well with Latino voters. Is he still beloved by Latinos who supported in general the idea of mass deportation?
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Adrian Carrasquillo
Yeah, I like these recent focus groups because I, I keep seeing a bit of a trend. And it followed a Somos Vetantes poll, which, which talked about that men, Latino men, supporting Trump is down 5 points, but that young people is down 10 points. And I mean, like, ultimately. Right, that's how this is going to work. I mean, Democrats going to have to get some of these former voters. And, and, and, and also I, I've noticed things that have pissed them off throughout the year as we've done more and more focus groups. And these were, you know, look, Latino Trump supporters, right? If you supported them in November and we're doing a focus group in March, they were still saying stuff like, immigrants take our jobs. And it was like a Latina in Texas, but then she was like, but he's got to stop this Guantanamo Bay stuff.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
He's.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
He sounds like a Nazi when he does that. And then El Salvador happened, and they didn't like El Salvador. They didn't like the Kilimore Garcia thing. This was actually sort of infuriating me. The Democrats, like, were scared to talk about Kilmar. People realized what that was. It was a completely taking away of due process. And people in the focus group were like, hey, it's not okay to make a mistake and ruin a guy's life. You know, so people have some sense that emerges in these crazy situations. And so we've seen certain moments that have caught people's eye. The El Salvador stuff and those guys getting out of there. And this pressure matters. And I don't think the administration wants people to know that pressure matters. We saw this happen in New York in, like, a really white town where they tried to take out of a barn. They tried to take, like, a mother and her kids. And people fought back, and they released them. They sent them to Texas. That's another thing this administration loves to do. Send you farm, so you, your family, no access to counsel. And so this stuff matters. And, and what I always say with these focus groups is, look, the economy's still number one. And they say, I voted for him to fix this stuff. He's not fixing it. And on top of that, I work in construction. He's taking away construction dudes. Or the immigration thing is this powerful second issue in addition to the economy.
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Joy Reid
Right. And I think that's the thing that Democrats get wrong. Right. I think Democrats assume that every Latino voter's top issue is immigration, which is, you know, very racist. Just assume that all people who are brown care about is immigration. Like, no, they actually care about other stuff. Right. So that's number one. And then second piece is assuming that everyone who cares about immigration is for immigration. Because there's always the, the old immigrants hate the new immigrants. That's in every racial and ethnic group. Right. They're like the new people. Ooh. Keep them out. Right. They don't want the competition from the new people. Or they think the new people are like, low brow. There's always that kind of competition. So what would you say? I don't know. If your focus groups address this, what messages actually do resonate with Latino voters who may be concerned that they think the border might have been too loose under Biden. But, but they don't want this.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
Yeah, I mean, a lot of them talked about how inhumane it is and they, and basically. And look, and I know that you've talked about this, but it's like, it can be so frustrating for people who are so into this. It's like, what did you think he was going to do? He literally said he was going to do this. But they'll just say, under Biden, the border was loose. We wanted things tightened. But this is not the way to go about it. He has, he just wants to, you know, insert your sort of adjective, like he's an authoritarian and it's going too far. He's just punishing people. And, and he's getting good workers. A lot of people do say that. Workers, taxpayers, churchgoers, neighbors. And so that's what interior enforcement is that, that's what people voted for. Right. You voted for Trump. And, and so, but now people are being confronted with that is, we were in Chicago and somebody was telling me a assemblyman like his chief of staff in this really Latino area, like 80% Latino area, they were saying that at the beginning there was a little bit of the older immigrants being like, I don't really care about these Venezuelans or, you know, this is too much. And now they're seeing more of people being on the same side because they're seeing that the Republicans and Stephen Miller, they don't see a difference between you. Right. They're kind of treating you all the same. They, they, they, if you're Puerto Rican, they don't care you're a U.S. citizen. So I think they see your color.
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Joy Reid
I mean, and that's my question has always been What. At what point do brown Americans catch on to what black Americans were trying to tell them? Baby, they don't care if you're American citizen. They don't care if you have three generations in Cleveland, Ohio, you are brown, and they want you gone. Like, are. Are Latinos getting.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
Look, I think it's going to be, I guess. Look, I. I actually do think I was talking about this recently on a panel. Like, I actually do think that 2026 Republicans have a rude awakening coming. And it's on stuff on the economy. There was just something I just saw on X about how Trump is now below Biden on cost of living stuff. So I think that, like, they're doing all this crazy stuff and they're trying to hide the ball. We know what's happening. And so I do think that they're going to be into some trouble. And then we'll see. After that, after 2026, let folks know.
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Joy Reid
Where they can support your work or anything that I missed that you want to try to highlight, because. Promote, promote, promote. Adrian, tell us what you're working on.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
I appreciate it. Look, if you go to the Bull Work, we've got all our newsletters and Huddled Masses is mine. And I wanted to call it Deportation Nation because I kind of knew what was coming. But we tried to. We tried to be a little bit in that space of just like, bad stuff is coming and there is going to be some stuff of people fighting back, and we always want to highlight that. So, you know, my newsletter goes out every Wednesday and Friday. You can check it out there. And. And I'm Kara Skill on X and I'm Real Agency on Instagram. So I really appreciate it.
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Joy Reid
I appreciate it. And look, go back and tell your friends that. That, that Deportation Nation was a hell of a great branding opportunity. They missed out. They need to switch the name up because Deportation Nation is exactly what we've turned into.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
Yeah, no, absolutely.
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Joy Reid
I got you, Adrian Carrasquillo. Thank you very much, Adrian. That's. That's me. One more time. One more piece of trauma before you go to, like, you feel like your auntie or your mama calling you.
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Adrian Carrasquillo
Thank you so much, Joy.
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Joy Reid
Thank you, my friend. Take care. I appreciate you. All right, Adrian Carrasquillo. You guys want to definitely follow him on at the bull work on Substack on all the things. He's a really great journalist. And this is the thing, people will catch on eventually that the Trump administration may have said whatever they said during the election, and if you bought into it and you just weren't paying attention that much. And you thought they were going to do something that's going to help you economically? Surprise, surprise, they're not. They just don't like brown and black. All right, before we get to our next topic, which is this government shutdown, I want you all to start thinking about in the chat. Let us know what you think in the chat. Do you believe that Democrats should stand aside and allow the government to shut down? That is the question for the chat. I'm throwing that question out to the chat also to the folks on Substack. Also jump in that chat. If you're over there and you are a paid subscriber over at Substack, you can get in that chat and let us know. Do you think that Democrats should stand aside and allow the government to shut down? Should they help Republicans at all or should Democrats just stand back? I will note that as who is this digable logic says in the chat, tourism to the United States is down sharply. I will tell you, just driving around D.C. during times, even in the late summer when it would normally be thick with tourists, it was very light. We were just in New York City. You can go and get yourself a seat at almost any restaurant right now because there's just tourism is just down all over the country because people are afraid to come here. You saw what happened to those South Koreans who were working in Georgia, doing jobs, training Americans for high paying jobs. They got harassed, sent. They're back in Korea. They don't wanna come back. We have the World cup coming up in the United States. We have the Olympics coming up in the United States while Trump is still president. Are people gonna be comfortable? We've seen athletes rousted by ice and these federalized police, they're going to be in freaking Portland, Oregon, harassing like all the, you know, biker dudes, the guys who are like on their Schwins and stuff, driving around playing hacky sack. They're going to start attacking them and looking for any brown ones. First of all, you're not going to find that many brown people. It's Portland, Oregon, but they're going to look for them. If you're brown in Portland right now, I would definitely walk with your passport and be very careful. But before we get to our next topic, I want to play you guys a couple of the News of the Weird. I want to do a little news of the Weird today because there is some weird stuff that's going on and it's mainly of course, Donald Trump doing it. Jason, can we serve up E1. This is E1. This is an AI very weird thing that I want you to understand isn't real. If you see this online, I really want you to know that it isn't real. This is called med beds. This. Donald Trump is so desperate to get you off the Epstein files, to get his people to stop talking about the Epstein files and to convince them that the $400 grocery bill they just paid isn't real and that groceries really are cheaper, even though they're like double. I just did an Instacart the other day and was in shock when I saw how much it was because normally that would have been like 125 bucks. It was like $300. Everything is double. Everything is double. And that's not just in New York City. I'm talking about anywhere you live. Everybody's grocery bill is high. He's trying to get people to forget it. And that, by the way, right now, coming up, if the current budget, if it stays the way it is now, there's an expiration date on your healthcare premium assistance that comes from the federal government. If you're on Medicaid, that is going to expire in about 30 days. And everyone's health care coverage expenses are going to go up by like, 75%. And we're talking about soon before the end of the year, right as we're going into the holidays. They're about to jack up your health care costs on top of your grocery costs, on top of your housing costs. All of it's going up under Trump, which is why he's actually starting to lose support, even among Latinos who voted.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
For him during the election. When Elon Musk said everybody has to feel pain in the beginning because they're trying to.
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Joy Reid
He did that. You're absolutely right, Jason. Elon Musk did say it. He said everyone's going to have to feel some pain because we all have to get together and pay for that tax cut for the super rich. These people at the top 1%, about 400,000 families, got a permanent, enormous, historically huge tax cut. Their taxes were cut to the lowest level they've ever been.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
Right now, they're not hearing anything. Yes.
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Joy Reid
Huh? What happened?
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Jason (co-host or producer)
They're in the Caribbean right now.
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Joy Reid
Oh, no. They're all, you know, wondering what happened. They didn't get their Epstein island trip, and so they're trying to figure out some other place to go and do their nasty, dirty work. They do their nasty dirt because Epstein's dead. Epstein Island's no longer available for them. To do a vacation. They're trying to find somewhere else to go. All of the billionaires who are all planning to hang out with Jeffrey Epstein and then he died, so he couldn't do that. They're all now plotting to do total surveillance. And I want to. One more thing I want to note before I play this med beds thing, the thing that Mueller and Comey, in their era of the FBI, were investigating. The reason Mueller and Comey threatened to resign is that the Bush 2 administration, the George W. Bush administration, wanted to do total surveillance, not just of your phone, but. But of the Internet, of the Internet, of everything that you did online. What are those AI billionaire freaks looking to do now? Peter Thiel is working on putting y' all under total surveillance on all your social media and all the Internet. They're still working on that project and they were all going to hang out with Epstein. You put two and two together yourselves. I'm not going to do it for you. Here is med beds. Take a listen. Breaking Now, President Donald J. Trump has announced a historic new health care system. The launch of America's first medbed hospitals, and a national medbed card for every citizen.
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News Reporter / Voiceover
Every American will soon receive their own med bed card. With it, you'll have guaranteed access to our new hospitals, led by the top doctors in the nation. Equipped with the most advanced technology in the world, these facilities are safe, modern and designed to restore every citizen to full health and and strength. This is the beginning of a new era in American health care.
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Joy Reid
In this first phase, only a limited number of med bed cards will be released. Registration details will be announced very soon. That isn't real. So Donald Trump is so unsuccessful as president that he's having to invent pretend successful policies that are like AI generated fake health care as if you won't notice that you're not getting real health care. He thinks that you will be able to be convinced and fooled into believing you got med beds. He's invented Jason, a fake policy, a pretend policy that he doesn't really have that isn't real and that he thinks he can convince Americans really happen because he's just going to tell you don't worry that you're dying of sepsis because you couldn't get normal treatment because you're no longer able to afford to go to the doctor. Don't worry, you've got med beds.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
How many of them? You bet? Nobody's got to look that up on the Internet.
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Joy Reid
Oh, I promise you, you're going 10,000. They're going to post it on their social medias. You're going to see these people post it on social.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
Does the link go back to Trump?
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Joy Reid
They're going to pretend that they're real and they're going to believe that they got healthcare and being they're gonna be dying of COVID and measles, mumps and rubella. They're like, I'm on my med beds. He's trying to convince his supporters, who are, let's just be honest, they're about hag Seth Bright.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
He didn't really make that ad, did.
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Joy Reid
It's real. I promise you. That is on his social media. Medbets. This is the other thing I want to show you that he's doing. And by the way, you're not getting medbeds. There's no med bed. Med beds aren't real. But his supporters are going to be convinced. Wait, they're just going to be waiting on their med beds while their Medicaid is being cut and they're losing their health care and can't go to the doctor? Because when this budget bill does not. When this deal doesn't go through, and I believe the shutdown is tomorrow, if we have a shutdown, your health care costs are about to skyrocket. So don't worry, you're going to have med beds. What'd you say?
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Jason (co-host or producer)
What happens in these med beds? Do they explain what happens? I mean, does it take you into another realm somewhere? Does it, you know, solve all your problems?
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Joy Reid
Clearly, it takes you to another dimension and you're being healed and treated for free. In the other dimension. But in real life, your ass is going to die. But in, in that other dimension where it takes you, you're being treated for free. You do not have any bill, there's no health expenses. You don't have to present your insurance card. You just lay down in the med bed and you're healed. And they want you to basically. Do you put on like a. What are the. The. You put the glass virtual. Maybe you do like a VR. You get in like a virtual reality situation and in your mind you're being treated for free. But in real life, your ass is dying because you can't get healthcare because they took your Medicaid.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
Let me tell you, be careful because they might start body harvesting for Trump.
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Joy Reid
We don't know what they're going to do.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
Save all his parts.
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Joy Reid
That's true.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
Keep them alive.
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Joy Reid
Med beds might be a way to harvest your organs. Be careful. Let me tell you what the National Medical association has warned is going to happen if this budget, if there's no budget deal. And I want to be very clear from sources in the Congressional Black Caucus who I spoke with today, the Congressional Black Caucus and all of the caucuses are meeting today to strategize to be of one accord and not break apart the way they did the last time when Schumer cut a deal with Trump in the end and allowed the budget to go through. Reportedly Democrats are going to hold strong now and the way that they're moving is they're saying the only way they will vote through a budget deal is if Medicaid is preserved and if those premium supports that come from the federal government. If you have Medicaid or AKA Obamacare, okay, Medicaid isn't just what poor folks have. A lot of people who are freelancers who work in gig economy jobs. You have Medicaid, it's just called Obamacare. Obamacare is just plussed up Medicaid. It's they took Medicaid, which is the health program that is a block grant from the federal government that goes to each state that accepted it. And then instead of you having a cap of this much income in order to qualify for Medicaid, they raised the cap. That's all Obamacare is in terms of the states. They raise the cap so you can make a little more money and get Medicaid and you get all these benefits with it, free health screenings. You can get a screening from Met, you can get free mammograms, you get all these benefits as if you have normal insurance. But it's Medicaid, right? That's what Obamacare is. Most states allowed and accepted it and the federal government reimbursed the state 100% for the first 10 years. So it was basically free to the states. But most red states said we don't want it. They refused to take it. That went all the way to the Supreme Court and by a 5, 4 vote the Supreme Court said states can refuse to take Obamacare but they can't end Obamacare federally. So that's where we stand. So you still have states like Texas and Florida that do not have Obamacare. Louisiana has it because they briefly elected a Democratic governor, John Bel Edwards. And then in that moment when they had a Democratic governor, they got Obamacare. But if you are in an Obamacare state and you have Obamacare, Medicaid, your cost about to go way up. Let me tell you all the five things that will happen if Democrats don't get a deal. And they are saying no health care, no Vote. You all might want to hashtag that. They're saying no health care, no vote if they don't get the restoration of these premium supports. Democrats are saying, at least according to my sources, that they are going to vote en masse. Vote all of them, 100%. If they can all hold together, they're going to vote no or they're going to stand aside and tell Republicans that you pass the budget by your damn selves. We're not going to help you. That is what we are hearing. The Democrats are going to hold the line on no health care, no vote. And this is what they want. They want to get rid of these things that will change. Republicans want to add work requirements in order for you to get your Obamacare or any form of Medicaid. Now the problem with that is most people who are on Medicaid already work. They work like two and three jobs in some cases. And. But in some cases the people who are on Medicaid are disabled. They're disabled or they're a child. So you can't require a child or a disabled person who cannot work. But they're saying, doesn't matter, get in the fields. They've also talked about having Medicaid recipients work in the fields and replace the brown people they're deporting out of the country. So they want work requirements. They want dual eligible people who are poor and elderly who have two reasons to be on Medicaid. They want to make them ineligible. So they're saying you have that. They want to take away some of the criteria that you normally can use to get on Medicaid. They want to get rid of them. They want to decrease the amount of coverage, meaning they want to take away your access to vision and dental. Those will go away. If the Republicans get their way, you're going to lose eye and dental. So they're going to take that away from the basic Obamacare plan. So those of you who have Obamacare or have Medicaid and you were able to go to an eye doctor or a dentist, they want to take that away.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
That's like two screenings a year for your dental. Eye checkup.
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Joy Reid
That's right. And dental care is very important for your health. Right. So if you're having your teeth are rotting or things, I mean, this is insane. They want to take that away. They want to six month eligibility. They will drop people who are eligible. There's like a span of time in which you're able to have your eligibility. They want to reduce that. Rural hospitals that are currently getting funded, many of them will close. And they're going to reduce the safeguards for safety, the safe safety in hospitals, right? So basically rural hospitals, a lot of hospitals who don't operate at a profit because they operate in some rural area or where they, or if they don't have Medicaid reimbursing them, they actually can't afford to operate at all. So you're going to see a lot of those hospitals close. So what Democrats are saying, and again, Democrats aren't great at the messaging. They're not making it super succinct. I mean, they say I, I received this and it's a little bit long winded. But the bottom line of what they're saying is this, the support that the federal government has provided to individuals on Medicaid that allows you to be able to afford your health care, those are going to go away if Republicans get their way. And what Democrats are saying, if you do not retain and extend the assistance that people on Medicaid and Obamacare receive so they can afford health care, we ain't voting for it. So that's it. So you're either gonna get the healthcare, at least that you have now and keep it, or you're gonna get medved.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
I hate to be a cynic, but how long do you think it's till.
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Joy Reid
The Democrats Correct, until Chuck Schumer folds? I mean, it's always the, the timer is always on Schumer. I, I, you know, a lot of people get on Hakeem Jeffries, but one thing Hakeem Jeffries does better than Schumer does is he does hold his caucus together. Generally he may have one or two defections, but generally Hakeem Jeffries, you know, he's not great on everything. I, I do not like that he signed that Charlie Kirk, you know, honoring Charlie Kirk bullshit. I think that was terrible. I don't know why he did that. I'm not sure why he's so weird on Mom. Donnie. I don't, I don't understand that. I don't know why he just doesn't endorse the man. He's from New York, he's one's from Brooklyn, Queens. Is that Brooklyn Queens thing, what's happening? But on this, he's generally pretty good, like he's pretty good at holding his caucus together. I don't know that Schumer will do the same because last time Schumer went around the Democrats in the House and basically threw them under the bus and cut a deal with Trump. So I just assume at Some point because Democrats thing is they don't want the government to shut down. Whereas I'm looking in the chat and right now it's 92% of the people in the chat are saying shut it down. 92% of the people in the chat, in the YouTube chat are saying shut it down. I haven't checked substack yet. Maybe Sean can check substack. But I'm telling you right now that in the YouTube chat it's 92 to 8.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
And the funny thing about it, if they do let it go through, Trump's going to cave in about 12 hours and then Democrats will get everything that they want. They need to start playing hardball, period.
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Joy Reid
And if they shut the government down, Donald Trump is threatening mass layoffs. He's saying he each agency needs to prepare for mass layoffs if the government shuts down.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
It's a bluff.
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Joy Reid
But what I'm saying is. Then do it. Donald Trump, first of all, they did mass layoffs already with Doge. They've already done mass layoff. That's already happened, right? Donald Trump is mass laying off 300,000 black women have no jobs right now because they already did mass layoffs. They're laying people off in the GAO now. They're begging them to come back. They laid the people off in the, the, the one that administers our nuclear weapons and then they're begging them to come back. They laid off all these people and didn't hire enough people for air traffic control. Now we can barely get a plane off the ground. So I'm like, I would call this bluff. I would say go ahead, lay them people off. Because you know who laid them off? You, you motherfucker. You. You. If Donald Trump lays off a mass number of people, then he did that just like Doge did it. And he hates the fact that they're getting blamed for it. But they are the ones to blame. Democrats have no power. Let me play one more thing. This is E2 because here's the other piece. Donald Trump, while threatening mass layoffs, while putting med beds out instead of giving people health care, while putting military into the streets of places like Portland that are totally safe, wasting money, money we supposedly don't have, but spending lavishly, promising $50,000 signing bonuses for proud boys who.
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Jason Reed
Become ice back from around the world.
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Joy Reid
With Hegseth flying every single military general, hundreds and hundreds of generals from all over the world, forcing them to come back to listen to a 20 minute speech, speech by the Uber, the Underfuhrer, forcing them I guess to pledge Personal loyalty to Trump, wasting our money. So they're blowing money at this point on all of this other stuff, but they're saying there's not enough money and blowing money on ice, picking up, you know, dishwashers and construction workers and then eventually having to release them anyway and then in some cases, losing them, grabbing children and deporting them or deporting the parents and leaving the kids here by themselves. Now they have to pay to figure out what to do with the kids. They're blowing money when they say, we don't have any money. But let me show you what Trump is doing with his time. This is E2. This is Donald Trump's. Donald Trump wants you to know that, baby, your ass may be broke, but like a. Like a pimp in the pulpit. Like a pimp in the pulpit. Donald Trump said, hey, baby, y' all bitches is broke. I got gold. 24 karat gold. In the Oval Office, in the Cabinet Room of the White House. Foreign leaders and everyone else freak out when they see the quality and beauty. Best Oval Office ever in terms of success. And look, President djt, he said, y' all broke. I got gold. He's like a pimp in the pulpit. Donald Trump wants you to know that you may not be able to afford health care. You may be losing your dental and eye coverage. You are paying double for groceries and can't afford your rent or your mortgage. You may have lost your house. You may have been laid off by the federal government and doged. Your life may be terrible, but Ken James, can you put it up again? He said, bitches, I'm rich. I'm rich, bitch. He said, y' all got nothing but, like a pimp in the pulpit. I got gold. I got gold.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
Some of the highest quality, Highest quality gold.
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Joy Reid
14 karat, 24. Not even 24 karat gold.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
Foreign leaders are going to freak out.
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Joy Reid
The foreign leaders are freaking out because he's got so much gold. So Donald Trump is laughing at you. He's laughing at each and every one of you, especially his voters and supporters, because he's taking your farms. His tariffs are ruining your businesses. He's making you poor. But he's letting you know that he's fine. He's fine. Thank you for the $10. Look, I got $10 from James Humphrey. So take that, Donald Trump. Thank you, James Humphrey. We appreciate you. Team TJRS always so generous putting some coins in the till. Jason, we got to figure out, we got to throw a little something for the. For the team with all of this all these little coins that we're getting from our friends from Team tjrs. We're going to, we're going to do something nice for the team. Lastly, before I let you guys go, I have two things that I want to play for you. The first one is a message that Joe Biden. I had a lot of criticisms of Joe Biden, but this ties up the things that we've been talking about and the, the thing that we really need to worry about. Joe Biden nailed it in his final address to the nation. Joe Biden, everyone.
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News Reporter / Voiceover
That's why my farewell address tonight. I want to warn the country of some things that give me great concern. This is a dangerous concert and that's a dangerous concentration of power in the hands of a very few ultra wealthy people. The dangerous concept consequences if their abuse of power is left unchecked. Today, an oligarchy is taking shape in America of extreme wealth, power and influence that literally threatens our entire democracy, our basic rights and freedoms and a fair shot for everyone to get ahead. We see the consequences all across America and we've seen it before. More than a century ago when the American people stood up to the robber barons back then and busted the trusts. They didn't punish the wealthy, just made the wealthy play by the rules everybody else had to.
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Joy Reid
And that warning has come to fruition. We have billionaires who were making plans to go to Epstein island who are currently making plans to build AI systems that will surveil your every move on social media, on your, on the computer.
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Jason (co-host or producer)
Your phone, cameras that study body motion.
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Joy Reid
Everywhere cameras that surveil you. And these oligarchs are about to buy TikTok. Larry Ellison is already in the works of taking over TikTok. They're going to take over every one of the social media outlets. They're going to make them all maga. They're taking over all of the mainstream media so that you won't be able to get anything but right wing news from cbs, abc, NBC. They're pressuring the View saying they don't want to hear any anti Trumpism there. They're pressuring Saturday Night Live. They're pressuring Late Night, they're pressuring everyone. Donald Trump wants this to be North Korea and he's going to hand this country over to a small number of billionaires who got a permanent tax cut while Trump gets crypto billions. They're laughing at all the rest of us while we're scrambling and trying to avoid ICE and avoid being tackled by ICE Gestapo mask wearing thugs who are in the streets. We don't even know if they're really ice. Really. In law enforcement, they could be proud boys, Oath keepers, boogaloo boys, three percenters. We have no idea who they are, but they want us to live in fear while they live like kings. They're reconstructing in America the way it was in the beginning when a group of oligarchs ran this country. They don't believe in democracy. They don't want you to vote. They don't believe you should have the right to vote. They don't believe women should have any rights. They think women are just breed mules who should just pump out more workers that they can impoverish and enslave. The they believe in slavery. And we laugh about it, but it's real. This is what's happening. But I want to end because we do love a moment of joy. Because not everybody is laying down for the bullshit. Jason, can we prepare our moment of joy? Because this, to me is. This is how you fight these sons of bitches. Let's play it. This was in the great city of Chicago, Illinois. The thugs tried to get this delivery man and he said, nope, not today. Not today. Not today. Not today, not today. He zoomed. He said, nope. Who's zooming who? He said, bye. And that. That is your moment of joy. Not today. Scoop, Scooty Scoop. He said, scoop, Scoop, Scoop. Scooby to Scoop. Scooby Doo Doo. Delivery man out. Delivery man. Not today. And that's your moment of joy. Please be sure to hit like and subscribe. Please make sure that you also hit that share button if you do the little bell looking thing. Bye, y'. All. Yo.
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Ted Cruz (quoted)
Hey.
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Jill Winebanks
It'S the B to the A.
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Joy Reid
The s, the ICs like, okay, I'mma talk less, listen more. Tell me what they hitting for out the king. Six and four. Yeah, about to lick them up. Let them.