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Joy Reid
Okay, I'm always ready to go as soon as I hear the music. Welcome to the Joy Reid Show. Big ups to everybody that is listening on YouTube. I see you all in the chat. Thank you to all our team TJRS people. Monkey mind, Pamela Leonard. Is that Lori Your Smith, 1459. Keisha Morton, 8935. Lisa Hockaday. Thank you very much. And to everybody that's a Team TJRS member, we appreciate y'.
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Fernand Amandi
All.
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Joy Reid
Big ups. Everybody that's on the stack listening as well as everyone listening. Wherever you get your podcasts, we appreciate you guys. I want to note, as some folks in the chat were noting, Senator Merkley just completed. He's 69 years old, but he's still on fire of Oregon. He's Democrat from Oregon. He just completed a 22 hour marathon speech. This is something Democrats are now doing. Note that the senators are working. The House members are not. House Republicans have left town. They've only done like 12 days of work this session and they've been closed for most for more than a month, for almost a month. But Democrats in the Senate are showing up and House Democrats are actually showing up to work. That's why you're seeing them on TV a lot. But he held the floor for 22 hours railing against threats to the American people posed by Donald Trump. Some of his constituents are in the chat bigging him up. So I will, I will join in bigging him up. We should reach out to him and try to get him on the show. I also want to specifically note for those who are thinking about this a lot that I was in an email conversation back and forth with our, our team, the team that does our back end and helps us take care of this, this, this kind of thing to make sure that we don't have ICE recruiting ads running in our show. This is very important to us. We do not want to help ICE to recruit people who want to thug it out on the streets and take down brown people based on the color of their skin or Their accents. The stuff we've been seeing is absolutely horrifying. So we're doing everything we can to make sure that you're not going to see those ads on our show, including on Spotify. But they're also recruiting lots of other places, not just Spotify. And the reason that we are concerned about it is that what we're seeing is these ICE or federal agents or whatever they are, because, again, we can't verify who they are. You can buy some of these uniforms on Amazon. You can buy them on Etsy. We don't know who they are. We just know that men, sometimes in plain clothes, sometimes in what look like official clothes without showing warrants, are snatching people off the street and raiding entire towns and communities. Let's show a 1. This is what happened in Chinatown just this week. This is one of their latest raids. Whoever these people are, I mean, this is crazy. It looks like a war zone. If you didn't know any better, you would think this was a country in the middle of a civil war. That's average Disney. That's actually crazy. And you're seeing the community step up and say, no, homo. We don't want you in our community. You see what's happening? Sorry, getting a little sick on you. This is crazy. This is Chinatown, where normally you'd be going for, like, brunch or dinner. It's really crazy. But this is what's happening in the streets of the United States. I want to note that the NYPD went out of its way to say, yo, this wasn't us. We had nothing to do with this. This was not us. They literally put a tweet out. This is the tweet. And I went back and verified to make sure this was live on their Twitter feed, saying we had no involvement in the federal operation that took place on Canal street this afternoon. Canal street is, like, where I, Jason, I bought our wedding rings. Like, this is, like, one of the most common shopping places in the country is where you can get really great food, really great Asian food.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
That was way back when.
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Joy Reid
Way back when. Like 30. I wouldn't even say how many years ago, because I'm young and fresh. Let's go to Illinois now, where this is a really. I want to just warn you. Disturbing piece of video because what he is yelling. What you're going to hear this man yelling in Spanish is, I can't breathe. Which, of course, were the last words of Eric Garner, who was choked out by police in New York City. So this is a three. This is what happened In Illinois. This is not in Chicago. Get out of our city. At the light, turn left onto Northeast MLK Jr Boulevard. Whoever's filming this is in your car, and they still have their navies. Now you're seeing the man. What are you doing? And they're trying to approach. What are you doing? How do we know they're ice? How do we know? Are they? What are they? Who are these people? What are you doing? And they won't answer questions. They have masks on. They can't be identified. We don't know if they showed this man a warrant. Looking a little bit longer, you're gonna hear him say, id. Back up. Get back.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
Get back on the curb.
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Joy Reid
Stay back. He's just using his loud voice. And it says, police on, I guess. Are they working? If you go around the other side, the man starts yelling over and over again. Okay, boss. Okay, boss. He keeps on saying, you can't breathe. He keeps saying he can't breathe. This a little bit longer. I know this is disturbing.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
I apologize.
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Joy Reid
But we have to see it. Like, we have to witness this, right? We have to be witness to this. Okay? And they're not. We can stop. This goes on for two straight minutes. This goes on for two straight minutes of this man. If you want to see the full video, it is on my Instagram feed. He can't breathe. And he's saying, I can't breathe for two straight minutes. That is how Eric Garner died. Y' all realize that, right? That's what's happening to that man. We don't know what happened to him. His family member is in the car screaming. We don't know who she is. And this is. This could be a killing. This could be a George Floyd situation that they're setting up in cities all over the country. I want to play you one more thing. This is a compilation of the brutality that these people. Again, are they ice? Are they. You know what? Are they. Are they your tobacco and firearm? I don't know who they are. Here they are committing the same kind of violence against women, including cars where their children. You guys cannot take her.
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Fernand Amandi
Look.
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Joy Reid
Why. This is illegal. Look, look. There are so many of these cars.
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Fernand Amandi
Live.
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Joy Reid
Abort. This is terrorism. This is terrorism. So, no, we don't want to help y' all recruit more people who want to do this crap, who want to do this evil and commit it against their fellow citizens. We have no interest in being a part of it. And we're also not the same kind of Christian. We are not aligned. If you're down with this. You and I can't be friends. We can't be friends. We're not aligned. We're not the same kind of Christian, okay? Because this is Antichrist. This is anti Jesus, this is anti immigrant. It's anti everything America claims that it is. This looks exactly like what you used to call the Third World. America is now the Third World. And I want to know that according to Rolling Stone. And I'm just going to show the headline here. I'm not going to actually show you the whole thing. I'm just going to show you the headline. If a dystopic voice is asking you to fulfill your mission of rounding up undocumented immigrants has snuck your way its way onto your streaming airwaves, you're far from the only one in the last month, online users have reported seeing and hearing an increased amount of recruitment advertising from the Department of Homeland Security on streaming services such as Pandora, Spotify and Max, and even during September's MTV VMAs. Just reading a Little More. The new advertising push, which has faced intense online backlash, has followed the Trump administration's investment of $30 billion with a B of your money to hire at least 10,000 more deportation officers by the end of the year, according to the Associated Press. You took an oath to protect and serve, to keep your family, your city safe, the narrator says in some advertisements targeting local police officers. But in sanctuary cities, you're ordered to stand down while dangerous illegals walk free. Illegals is the name for brown people, the N word. To me, that's just the N word for brown people. In the last week, specifically, music listeners on Spotify's ad supported Free plan have reported hearing similar advertising on the platform, with some choosing to end their membership due to the ads. When reached for comment, a rep for Spotify told Rolling Stone that the DHS commercials were part of a broad campaign from the government agency and that it did not violate any advertising policies on the platform. Users can mark any ad with a thumbs up or thumbs down to help manage their ad preferences, the rep said. So if you're on Spotify, you can hit a thumbs down, but the recruitment ads have been running on more than one music or streaming platform, with fans flagging concerns for the ads on Hulu, Max, YouTube and Pandora. Over the past six months, and a public Pandora community thread started In May of 2025, a user who said they have been a Pandora user for more than 15 years share shared that they are canceling their subscription due to an overwhelming number of DHS ads. The thread has received repeated comments from more users sharing their frustration with receiving similar advertisements. This is not a random glitch. It's the result of ad targeting that equates music preference with immigration status. Read the user's note. Your platform appears to be allowing or enabling ads that racially and culturally profile users based on the language of the music they enjoy. That's unacceptable. I mean, that's unacceptable. But that's where we stand right now. And no, it is not good and is not wanted. And the fact that these ads are also running on Telemundo and Univision is especially hideous and gross. Telemundo and Univision, they're running those ads there as well. Joining me now to discuss this and other madness is my good friend Fernand Amandi, managing partner of Ben Dixon and Amandi, best polling firm in the American south, maybe even in the whole nation. The nation's leading multilingual and multi ethnic public opinion research and strategic communications consulting firm. If you don't know Fernand, you probably haven't been watching me long because Fernand and I have been friends for like 20 years. So he's. Every, every time I do a show, I just get Fernand. Cause he has amazing hair and people wanna see the hair. I book him for the hair, but also for the facts. Fernand, good to see you my friend. How are you?
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Fernand Amandi
What a pleasure to be here with you and congratulations. I love this new platform. This is tailor made for Joy Reid and you are killing it as I knew you would. So it's a pleasure to be here again. Congrats.
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Joy Reid
I appreciate you as you are as well. So. And you've been in this new media minute for a minute, doing the thing, all the different varieties and consulting and everything else. But I just want to get your response to the idea that dhs, the Department of Homeland Security, Kristi Gnomes outfit is taking ads on Telemundo and Unovision and also the targeting ads based on people's language, of the kind of music they listen to, to target more people, to recruit more people to hunt brown people in the street.
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Fernand Amandi
So first off, we have to call it Joy for what it is. I mean, these are terrorist tactics. It's psychological terror. The idea is to basically send the message in all of the forms where they know a lot of the undocumented population are watching or using to get information from, to say, you know, there's no place to run, there's no place to hide. It is the most un American approach that I can think of. And sadly, Joy, you Know, this is not about any kind of a victory lap and I know you nor me take any satisfaction in this, but this is exactly the environment that we warned the American people for. Not weeks, not months, year was going to happen. I am ashamed to say that it is even worse than I thought it was going to be. I did not expect this blitzkrieg to be running ahead of the Nazi pace in 1933 Germany. I mean, this is astounding how quickly they are doing it. I mean, forget the Reichstag fire. They are literally taking, as we speak, the seat of our executive government is being bulldozed to the ground. The East Wing, I think they probably finalized that. And the most illegal of acts. So, you know, when you go back to what you're talking about on Univision and Telemundo, it's all part of a psychological terror campaign to live and get inside the American people's heads and say very clearly the world has changed. We are in charge. We have the power and you have none.
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Joy Reid
Absolutely. And Kristi Noem gets a private jet to reward her for sufficiently terrorizing brown people. The more people she terrorizes, the more goodies she gets. Right? She gets to go on fancy trips with her boyfriend who happens to also work in the administration. She gets to travel around and do cosplay in front of chained prisoners in El Salvador. She's living her best life now. To her, this seems to be a TV show. They're buying buildings in Chicago so that they can have somewhere to pee. Because these in the smart restaurant owners are like, you cannot eat here, you cannot pee here, you cannot come in here, stay out. Y' all are for the pre Civil Rights act world. You got it? You can't come into our restaurants and they're doing all of this, Fernand. While literally in another what week people's food stamps are gonna run out, literally. Because they have not. They will not reopen the government and allow our health insurance premiums to be re extended to. So Trump has closed the government and people's food stamps are going to be zeroed out in a week.
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Fernand Amandi
For some people, this is classic authoritarian regime behavior, right? There's nothing new here. If you think about it. You know, you said it earlier and I know you kind of said it somewhat in jest. Not really. They are living all of their best lives. I mean, this is the MAGA fan fiction that they were writing and dreaming about for, for, for decades. That they would one day be in a position where they would have total control of the government without any of the guardrails of the institutions or really the rule of law to in essence bulldoze and impose their not political will, their power, impose power over the body politic. And that's why you don't see any signs of them holding up. I mean, you know, the Stanford experiment, we've heard about these stories for years. You give people like this power. They. There is no conscience that develops overnight. If anything, the power is a form of an elixir for them to keep doing more, it's going to get worse. And they only respond joy to power. And if black and brown and the poorest, even if their own voters in certain parts of America suffer or lose benefits, they don't care. The ones riding point are living their best life, right?
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Joy Reid
And what they want, the power they want is cultural. They want economic power, of course, they all want to get rich. They're all grifting and stealing. But they also want cultural power. They hate the browning of America. They fear Latinos, even the ones who vote for them in Florida. People who are Venezuelan, very Republican, Venezuelan Americans, very Republican. Haitian Americans, pretty Republican, Cuban Americans, very Republican. But they even fear them, right? They don't want them because they fear being overrun. White conservatives fear being overrun demographically, and black folks aren't a threat to that because, you know, we're 11% of the population and not really growing that much. But Latinos are super young, have on average more children. That's what they fear. And so they're willing to hurt them in any way possible and they want to see them get hurt. This is the part I think people don't understand about authoritarianism. It's not just hurting the brown people, but they want to watch it, right? They want to watch the torture.
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Fernand Amandi
Because the watching of the torture accomplishes two things. It, it, it, you know, it blames and, and goes after people that clearly they have no regard for. But just as importantly, joy and, and I know kind of as a, as a student of authoritarianism, you know this too. They want the impact to be seen. In other words, it's important that people suffer so that others see that suffering as a mechanism and method of, of control. It's a psychological form of control. But they want people to see that if you get out of line, if you defy this regime, this power group, you are going to suffer the same fate as these people. So it's a control mechanism as well.
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Joy Reid
Well, even if you do not get, even if you cooperate. Let's put, put. Jason, just put this up. Let's talk about this For a moment, our. Our good, Our friend Marco Rubio. You and I feel like we've been talking about Marco Rubio longer than anything else we've been talking about. And this guy is now, to me, he is to brown folks what Clarence Thomas is to black people. He is a complete traitor to people who are Latino. Complete traitor. Out of all the other stuff he's done, he has now basically sold out the Justice Department, the previous Justice Department, before Pamela Jo was in charge of it, which literally closed some cases against Ms. 13, this notorious gang that has roots in parts of Central America, but probably really more roots in the US There was a group of them who turned state's evidence against Nayib Bukele, the only Palestinian right wingers actually like, because he's a brutal dictator of El Salvador, the guy who runs the seacot prison. They cut a deal to get him to open up that seacot prison and take, in many cases, people with no criminal record. Nobody had any trials, even if they were criminals, hadn't had any trials. Take 250 or more men and throw them in seekot. Throw them in the trash, essentially. And to make that deal, Marco Rubio betrayed the Justice Department. They basically sent. Are sending people back to Venezuela who had cut deals against Nayiba Kelly. I'm sorry. To El Salvador who had cut deals against Nayiba Kelly because they used to be working with Nayiba Kelly. That's the little, dirty little secret, right. He was playing games and playing ball with the gangs, and some of them told on him, and now they're going right back there. What do you make of Marco Rubio being. Being willing to sell brown people basically, to the person that they turned evidence.
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Fernand Amandi
Joy. Not to get into the weeds too much on one of our favorite or least favorite subjects, however you want to look at it. Little Marco. For those of us who were there at the present creation of Little Marco, Let me. Let me try and say this as clearly as I can. His career in politics begins on the selling out of his people. Very quick story. The way he becomes the speaker of the House in Florida is by doing something that no one ever thought a legislator from South Florida would do. There was something called the district cost differential, which was the mechanism through which state funds were allocated to the more populous counties. As we know, the big population base of Florida is Miami Dade, Broward, Palm beach counties. And the students got more educational dollars proportionally. And that had been something in the legislature that had been for years. Marco Rubio said, I am willing to do away with this if you Give me the votes to be speaker. Because the only thing that has ever motivated him is the quest for personal power. He is a moral. He has no soul. He has no ideology. If Marco Rubio could be Secretary of State, as a Democrat, he would do that as well. There is no soul there. So the fact that he sold out these informants that, you know, destroyed not only their relationships with the government, but also probably put their lives at risk of not ending them. To him, that's just the cost of doing business for the ambition machine that is Marco Rubio. I'm not surprised slightest he's going to do more stuff like this, by the way.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. Ask JE Bush how loyal Marco Rubio is. He put a G. Remember, he gave him the scepter. He hands him a scepter and declares him the future of the Republican Party. And then he's like stabbed him in the back. Was like stabbing. Stepping all over his body in order to become president. Let me play Rand Paul. I don't normally play a lot of Rand Paul, but I gotta play this for you because I found this really fascinating because I want to talk about the bombing of these Caribbean boats and the Columbia President has already said this is murder. But I want to play Rand Paul because the claim that's being made, the right suddenly loves the CIA. They love a good CIA operation. I thought they hated the CIA and the deep state. They love the deep state now that they're in charge of it. And they're claiming that they're bombing these ships in the Caribbean because they are narco terrorists and they're not going to arrest them and try them as narcotics. They're just going to kill him. They're going to do it Bibi Netanyahu style, kill whoever you want outside of your own borders. They're killing them in the Caribbean Sea. Rand Paul is now blowing up their story that they're doing it because these are the people bringing fentanyl into the United States and that fentanyl is coming into the United States from Venezuela. Here is Rand Paul, number one. There is no fentanyl made in Venezuela.
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Fernand Amandi
Not just a little bit. There's none being made in Venezuela.
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Joy Reid
These are outboard boats that in order for them to get to Miami would.
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Fernand Amandi
Have to stop and refuel 20 times. They're in all likely going to Trinidad.
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Joy Reid
And Tobago, which is an island right off of the coast of Venezuela.
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Fernand Amandi
So there's a lot of reasons to.
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Joy Reid
Be worried about this, but number one is the broader principle of when can you kill people? Indiscriminately when you're at war. That's why when we declare war, it's supposed to be done by Congress, it's.
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Fernand Amandi
Supposed to be thoughtful, supposed to be.
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Joy Reid
Debated and we're not supposed to do it willy nilly.
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Scott Colum
And then when you have war, you.
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Fernand Amandi
Just kill people in the war zone.
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Joy Reid
And even then there are rules of engagement. But interdicting drugs has always been a.
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Fernand Amandi
Criminal activity and a criminal anti crime.
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Joy Reid
Sort of activity where we don't just.
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Fernand Amandi
Summarily execute people, we actually present evidence and convict them.
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Joy Reid
And if I could, Jason, just skip to a 15 because I want to now go into one of the specific, specific people who was killed in these operations because again, Marco Rubio isn't, it isn't sufficient for him to just betray brown people. He got to throw the blacks in too. This is 8:15, Jason, let me know when you've got it. This is one of the people who was killed. Family members of a young man from Trinidad and Tobago says he was killed in a recent US military attack on a boat in the Caribbean this week. The family says 26 year old Chad Joseph was a simple fisherman. He went to Venezuela six months ago.
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Scott Colum
To find better work because he had relatives there.
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Joy Reid
The family claims he died in a strike on Tuesday. Joseph's cousin Aficia Clement spoke out about her pain uncle, a nephew.
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Randi Weingarten
From families.
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Joy Reid
Tonal Jump don't care what he do, you know he just targeting one thing in Venezuela and he's saying it drug at it. It's not that. It's not that. Donald Trump, you need to stop your shit and stop kill innocent people. US President Donald Trump has ordered US troops to the southern Caribbean to fight drug trafficking. They have since hit at least six.
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Scott Colum
Boats they claim were involved in illegal drugs.
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Joy Reid
So far, few these attacks have killed at least 27 people.
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Scott Colum
But no evidence of involvement in the.
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Joy Reid
Drugs trade has been shared.
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Scott Colum
The Trump administration has given little info about these strikes.
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Joy Reid
No names of the dead or details on what was on the boats.
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Randi Weingarten
Why?
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Joy Reid
If you see a boat have narcotics on it, where's the narcotics? We want evidence, we want proof. There is nothing. The other day they intercept our boat.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
With four man on it.
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Joy Reid
Why they take off the men and them and shoot up the boat after.
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Scott Colum
Joseph's mom, Lenore Burnley said no one from Trinidad's government has reached out to her.
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Joy Reid
All we've seen is social media people.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
Coming to put it out there. No police, no nobody.
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Joy Reid
A US official told Reuters that a strike on Thursday was the first with survivors. Legal experts question why the military not the Coast Guard is conducting these deadly operations. They also ask why the US doesn't.
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Scott Colum
Try to stop the boats without killing people.
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Joy Reid
Democrats in Congress say the White House.
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Scott Colum
Hasn'T given good reasons or spy info.
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Joy Reid
To explain the actions. The Trump administration argues it is fighting.
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Scott Colum
Venezuelan narco terrorists, making the strikes legitimate.
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Joy Reid
Trump also confirmed on Wednesday that he authorized the CIA to conduct covert operations in Venezuela. This ramps up US Pressure on leader Nicolas Maduro, whom the US Blames for.
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Scott Colum
Drug ties and criminal gangs.
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Joy Reid
Maduro denies it all and says the US Wants him out of power. On Thursday, Venezuela asked the United Nations.
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Scott Colum
Security Council to rule these US Boat attacks illegal.
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Joy Reid
So, first of all, I take this one pretty personally. My family is from Guyana. Guyana and Venezuela have a connection, right? A lot of people who. From Guyana, they border each other, right? And so Guyanese people, a lot of us have relatives in Venezuela because they're, you know, they're. They're next to each other. And a lot of that land, there's. There was like, a dispute at a certain point that parts of Venezuela, they believe Guyana is supposed to be theirs. They want Essequibo, they want to annex it. And they almost threaten to go to war with Guyana to take it. And Trinidadian people and Guyanese people are very connected. A lot of the families intermarry, same accent, same food, lots. So a lot of connection. But. But this is now dragging in Caricom. Fernand. This is, to me, a terrifying international incident. The President of Colombia has weighed in. He has called the United States murderers. He has said that this was a murder. He has named some Colombian citizens who have been killed on these boats. They're killing people from multiple Caribbean and Latin American countries. Fernand, outside the rule of law. Who can stop this? And apparently, this is cool with Marco Rubio.
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Fernand Amandi
Cause he answered, I mean, unfortunately, no one could stop it. And the President of Colombia is right. It is an act of murder. Because there is always still something, even in international engagements like this, called due process. You know, the United States is supposed to project the idea that there is a process through which these things are done. And, you know, this is why you cannot allow criminals to take over a superpower and all of the military hardware that comes with it, because then stuff like this happens. You know, just watching those videos, what's so stark to me about it is if they have the technology, which they clearly do, to track these fishing boats, all they need to do is allow them to come into either US Waters or off the coastline, have the Coast Guard intercept them. Board document, the fentanyl. Right. And the drugs on board, and then you can take, repatriate them or try these people. But there is no need for a lethal first strike like that. So, you know, unfortunately, I think this is the new normal. And this is why our allies around the world, and most importantly in the region are reeling and saying, what do we do now? If the United States, we've historically enjoyed at least a trusted relationship, now is engaged in open seas murder without due process or any sort of legal pretext for these lethal actions, you can't stop it because you're going up against a superpower. I don't know what the solution is.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. And the bottom line is now fishermen, fishermen in the Caribbean Sea are afraid to work because now they face the threat. If, you know, this is brown and black fishermen, just the kind of thing that the United States despises, and they see them in a boat and they just figure, well, we're just going to kill them. They're going to do like Bibi Netanyahu does, where it's like, we're going to blow up your cell phone. We're going to say that your Hezbollah blew up your cell phone. We're going to say, you know, we don't. You're in, you know, you're Houthi. Boom. We just blow you up outside of our own borders. Trump is acting like Bibi now. Right. Except for one country, Fernand. There's one country he does seem to want to help out, and that's Argentina. For whatever reason, we were just handing money to them. We're bailing out Argentina with US Tax dollars. What the hell is that about? The Wall Street Journal now saying that some private banks are now trying to figure out how they're going to get their money back from this bailout, while Milei, the Argentinian president, is throwing concerts and performing at them because he's got so much cash now from us.
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Fernand Amandi
Yeah, I mean, this is another bizarre situation, but unfortunately an unexplainable one, because what you have is the administration picking winners and losers with the American treasury. In this case, the. The main issue is Milei is basically a Trump like figure in South America who was kind of like what they hoped the model would be. He has been an outright disaster.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
The.
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Fernand Amandi
The Argentinian economy has almost collapsed amongst itself, and they are now facing elections. Just next week, they're going to have their version of the midterms. And this is Trump's attempt to not only try and bring back Melaye and help him with this cash infusion of $20 billion while the US is entering what looks like a recessionary type economy and thousands and millions upon Americans are suffering. Also joy. It is an effort to take advantage of Argentina because this money does not come at a price. This where the Trump administration comes in. Argentina is one of the richest countries with terms of natural resources and other elements there. Lithium and other pieces that they have Scott Bessant and others, you know, clean up. They're licking their chops in this situation. This is not free aid, so to speak.
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Joy Reid
No, there's always a grift, Fernand. There's always some way that Trump and his friends are making money. Exit question to you. I gotta talk about Democratic politics just for a moment because you're so steeped in it. Democrats can't seem to wrap their minds around Zorhan Mamdani probably becoming the next mayor of New York. And their reactions have been dumb. But let me show you on the right how they're reacting. Jason, this is a 14. This is a post that Larry Elder, who is the one of the go to right wing blacks. This is a post that he put on, on social media. I find that, I mean it's a cartoon. He didn't make the cartoon but he posted it. I find that crazy. Your thoughts?
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Fernand Amandi
Well, it's not just crazy. I mean it's the ultimate offensive cartoon. I mean you're talking about equating 911 and the attacks of 911 were over. Was it 3,000 New Yorkers lost their lives. You lost two of the most iconic buildings in an act of premeditated terror that was uninvited. I mean it's, it's, it's reprehensible. Look, I think when it comes to Mandami, we're going to have to see what the results are. They've certainly built up the boogeyman aspect. They would love for him to turn into everything that they're trying to fear monger about. And hopefully Mondami understands the challenge because I think he's going to win the election. I think he's going to be the mayor. And how he acts and chooses to act will either feed into the right wing conspiracy theories and the fear mongering or cause a little bit of recalibration on their side.
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Joy Reid
We shall see. Fernande Amandi, one of my favorite people to talk to because just one of my favorite people. Fernand, thank you very much. I appreciate you showing that there is some greatness in the 305. Don't, don't hate on all of Florida. Some of y' all are all right.
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Fernand Amandi
Be patient with some of us, please. In Florida.
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Joy Reid
Working. We're working with you. Thank you very much, Brian. I appreciate you. All right. Much love my friend. Thank you very much. Fernanda Mondi, everybody. He can get an applause. He's pretty great. I want to now go ahead and play for you the latest from Mike Johnson. Mike Johnson, the supposedly God fearing Speaker of the House. He was asked not by liberals but by a conservative host on Conservative News Nation why he will not swear in Adelita Grijalva who has won a special election in the great state of Arizona. Here he is being asked not by liberals, but by conservatives. This is B1. This is him being asked on the Epstein files. There she is there speaking.
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Fernand Amandi
Why won't you swear her in?
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Joy Reid
Yeah, I mean again, they're becoming experts, experts at distraction and red herrings. This has absolutely nothing to do about Epstein. This is a scheduling matter. As soon as the Democrats open a vote to reopen the government, we will get back to the regular order in.
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Fernand Amandi
Session of Congress and that'll be, I'm.
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Joy Reid
Sure, among our first orders of business is to administer the oath to the newly elected representative. This is just a matter of the schedule. In a pro forma session, no one's there in the chamber. It's literally sometimes three, four people. You have a clerk and whomever ever is serving as the interim speaker. They, they bang the gavel in, they, they say the pledge and they bang the gavel out. That's it.
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Fernand Amandi
It's just to keep Congress functioning.
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Joy Reid
It's a tradition of the institution. But we'll do it right and do it in the right way as soon as everybody gets back here. I understand. And that makes perfect sense until we look back and see that there have been Republicans sworn in during pro forma sessions. So why should it be different?
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Fernand Amandi
For.
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Joy Reid
The great question, it's a, it's. There was a unique exception made when the two Florida representatives are sworn in earlier this year after winning a special election. And the only reason we did that is because it was previously noticed for that date and they flew all their families and friends in for the ceremony. So because they were here and the session got canceled, we just went ahead and did it because their families were here. That's the main purpose of it.
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Fernand Amandi
But so if she flies in her.
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Joy Reid
Family, would you guys do it? All of us? You'll get the full belt bells and whistles it has scheduled because we don't schedule things for Proforma. Uhhuh. Yeah, I'm. But they're trying to make an issue out of nothing. I've looked forward to welcoming her. She's congratulated for having won her father's seat. He served a long time. She have a great career. But, you know, again, these are distractions. We have to get the government open so that we can get all these regular processes working again. That's all this is. All right. Okay. Yeah, sure. Sure, Mike. By the way, the Attorney General of Arizona is now suing Mike Johnson to demand that Adelita Grijalva be sworn in. And joining me now is Adelita Grijalva. She served on the Tucson Unified School District governing board and the Pima County Board of Supervisors, where she became the first latina chair. In 2025, she became the first Chicana elected to represent Arizona's great 7th congressional district, succeeding her great late father, Raul Grijava. Congresswoman elect Grijava, welcome.
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Adelita Grijalva
Thank you so much. Thanks for having me.
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Joy Reid
Thank you so much for being here. It is great to finally meet you. We have been working with your team for a while to try to get you here because we are excited about you, because you have made some promises that I think are pretty important, many of them on the bread and butter that your. Your district needs. Trying to get healthcare into their hands, trying to make sure that people get the food stamps, get the medical assistance they have from Obamacare, but also the Epstein files.
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Adelita Grijalva
Yes.
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Joy Reid
Do you believe still that the. That your promise to be the 218th vote to release the Epstein files is why you're not being sworn in?
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Adelita Grijalva
I absolutely do, yes. Because this speaker actually ended session early, a week early, sent everyone home to avoid having a vote. Vote about the Epstein files. And then I'm. I'm the 218 signer. And so, you know, he keeps saying, this has nothing to do with Epstein. Well, then swear me in. It has nothing to do with Epstein. Swear me in.
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Joy Reid
Are you willing to fly in your friends and family? Because apparently that is what it takes to get Mike Johnson to swear you in. He needs to see friends and family, fly in, come into DC spend the money to come. Are you willing to fly in your friends and family?
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Adelita Grijalva
They were already coming on October 7th. I had everyone already on their way. And then, you know, he canceled votes and has continued to cancel votes. Part of the problem here is that when he says, well, you know, first it was. And just so you know, first it was, I needed to have my race certified, even though the three other Caucasian men that were sworn in didn't need to have their race certified. I love how the rules are always different. Right?
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Randi Weingarten
Always different.
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Adelita Grijalva
And also, I mean, he just continues to be debunked on shows that are friendly to, to him and this administration where it's like, but do you see how this looks? Like everyone sees how this looks. It's very transparent. And one of the things that he has been saying now is, you know, she has a computer, she has a phone. She should be offering constituent services. It's like, well, if I can do that, if I'm not sworn in, so I technically don't have constituents, but if I can offer constituent services, then can I also sign the discharge petition? Because, you know, this little piecemeal of like giving me some of the opportunity to serve, giving, you know, giving me the keys to my dad's old office, but not letting me really fully get sworn in has been incredibly problematic and really worse for Arizona.
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Joy Reid
And you're the Attorney General of the state has, has sued saying, Look, 800,000 some odd Arizonans basically are paying taxes and have taxes. Tax, taxation without representation. Because yes, you have a phone in an office, but you technically are still a congresswoman elect. You are not their congresswoman, meaning you cannot really serve your district. Right, Correct.
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Adelita Grijalva
And the other issue that we've seen is people have done their homework. They're like, okay, how can we get around him? Someone else can swear you in. A notary could do it, another member of Congress.
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Joy Reid
Right.
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Adelita Grijalva
But it still takes an act of Congress or direction in order to get that done. And so I could be sworn in by a federal judge, anybody really. But he still has to call the vote, call a secession to do that. And that's going to be the bigger issue.
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Joy Reid
Do you believe. And have you heard, because I know all the Democratic members are talking to you and speaking with you, that what's happening on the other side? Because I have heard about a pressure campaign against the four Republicans. Nancy Mace, Marjorie Taylor Greene, for whatever reason, Kristin Boebert. Yes. And Massie. That they, that there's a pressure campaign on them. Massey probably won't move to get one of them to flip. And then if, and the one I've heard is getting the most pressure is Boebert. And then if she were to say, okay, fine, I'll come off of the discharge petition, then they would swear you in.
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Adelita Grijalva
Right. And I think that that this time he's using it to do that. I mean, this whole idea that, you know, the Senate needs to do, pass a budget in order for the House to Go back into session. It's like it's already been voted down, I think 11 times, something like that. So really, wouldn't that be incumbent of if you really want to do any kind of leadership, if you really want to get out from this shutdown to be at the negotiating table and figure out if there is a budget that we as the House, in a bipartisan way can support and maybe put that forward for senators to consider.
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Joy Reid
Well, and just to explain to those in the, in the audience, thanks everybody in the chat that are talking about, they're getting a lot of love in the chat right now. I will let you know, Senator. Representative electrijava so that people understand this. The House already passed their version of the budget. So that is done. There is as, as House members and Republicans keep saying, they're saying our work is done. The Senate now has their version of this budget and they have voted it down multiple times because it cannot get 60 votes because it allows the Obamacare subsidies to export expire. Understand that the House budget that Republicans passed on a party line vote with no Democrats signing onto it would let your Obamacare subsidies expire. When in the same exact body made the tax cuts that gave the super rich a tax cut. They made that permanent, but they're saying that your subsidies can't be permanent and they have not also fulfilled some other things that people need. Making sure food stamps are robustly renewed, et cetera. That's what can't pass the Senate. That has nothing to do with the House. Right. That has nothing to do with you.
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Adelita Grijalva
Not at all. Has nothing to do with me. And the fact that like, you know, some of the argument has been, well, you know, we're in a shutdown. Well, there was a whole freshman class in 2019 sworn in in the middle of a shutdown. So it's literally every excuse that comes up is like really just that it's so transparent.
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Joy Reid
What do you think they're so afraid of in the abc? Do you have a sort of a speculation of what they're so scared of? What Trump is so afraid of that he's ordering Republicans to keep the Epstein files hidden, that he's gotten Cash Patel to change his mind about the FBI director being the one who could release it? What, what do you think he's so afraid of?
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Adelita Grijalva
No, I think there were a lot of promises made by Trump, if memory serves, on day one, all of these things were going to happen, including the release of the Epstein files. And then I think he got into office and started looking, got a Gander and thought, maybe not. Maybe I want to do that. So I think that if, if he is not implicated, people very close to him are supporters are, and he's been giving marching orders to do all that you can to avoid this coming out in public.
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Joy Reid
Let me ask you, while I have you, what are the key concerns people are telling you they would like you to start addressing ASAP once you're sworn in?
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Adelita Grijalva
Really, it is pulling back some of these executive powers of Trump. And, you know, the fact that he can just unilaterally apparently give humongous amount. I mean, just so much money. I mean, like, it's hard to even wrap my head around that amount of money, be able to knock down portions of our. Our people's house in order to, you know, build a ballroom that no one asked for, you know, declare war unilaterally. And so this is really the Congress getting back its power. Like, that's. We hold the purse strings. He should be coming to us. And this is why this system is so broken right now. You have people around Trump that have pledged allegiance to Trump, not to the people of this country and not to the Constitution.
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Joy Reid
Can you talk about the fears that you're hearing people express? Because you come from a very brown state, a state with a lot of Latinos in it, a lot of Mexican Americans, people who are indigenous, people who I've also heard are getting harassed because their skin is not white. What kind of fears are people facing, and what do you think Congress could do about it?
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Adelita Grijalva
So we have the three ports of entry with Mexico in Arizona. CD7 with Arizona, where it's in our district. I have the tonal Tom nation, the pasquayake tribe. When you're driving down in, like, literally the highway, that is my street to go home. I have border patrol and ICE literally at every mile marker, just sort of following people. Their level of harassment and fear is. I mean, you. You can taste it. And, you know, I was pumping gas with my son, and an unmarked vehicle with people jumped out wearing plain clothes, masks, and bulletproof vests with no insignia. We don't know who they are. Jumped out and we're pulling a woman out of a car. I mean, literally, people are getting kidnapped off the streets. And, you know, we have ICE waiting outside of school, schools, elementary schools. And so, you know, the fear that we have and what people sent me here to do is fight for the people in our community that are literally afraid to take their recycle bin out of their home.
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Joy Reid
Y. Do you believe that this is an attempt at ethnic cleansing.
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Adelita Grijalva
I believe that ethnic cleansing is a very strong word, and I do believe that that's where we are. Like, what they're trying to do is eliminate anyone that does not look like them. And. And what the. Funny. I mean, the irony is that we have in the Latino community, we're not one homogenous group. We don't have one, you know, ideology, like, political ideology that we follow. But there are people that voted for Trump saying, well, I didn't think that that meant me.
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Joy Reid
Yeah.
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Adelita Grijalva
Now welcome to the party. Because if you don't look like him, you're the them.
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Joy Reid
And we.
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Adelita Grijalva
That the 99% of us are the them. And so when we have these no Kings marches, all I did is thank people for going out and standing up for those who can't be here, because our responsibility is to be as loud as we can and highlighting the injustice of what is happening in this country. That. I feel like we're in a twilight zone sometimes. Like, is this really happening? Like, is the person sitting in the White House putting an ia, like an AI thing out about just, like, pooping? I mean, it just, like, we just can't wrap our head around, like, how this is happening to our country. And every day it looks less and less like the country that we grew up in.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. Well, Robbie, Rob Streamer, Rod Streamer, who is one of the. He's a. He's a performance artist, comedian who I interviewed on Monday, gave me one of the best explanations for that. The, you know, pooping from a plane and all of that and dressing up as a king and everything. And the AI is that Donald Trump is doing WWE that he's using. Right. He's doing the tactics that were used during wwe and that he was a big, you know, he's a Hall of Fame WWE performer and that all of this is performance art on his side. It entertains his base, but they're entertaining his base. He's entertaining his base by mocking liberals, trans people, women, black and brown people, because they want them to be an object of ridicule. I mean, encouraging violence and encouraging.
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Adelita Grijalva
And continuing to do the we. They are not us. You know, they. You need to, like, turn your energies against them. They're the enemy of the state. We're not. I mean, this community was built on the backs of people of color. Literally every opportunity that we have in this nation that there is, like, the tapestry of our nation is built on.
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Joy Reid
Immigrant labor and also built physically on what was Mexico. So if you are west of the Mississippi and you got A problem with there being brown people. The border crossed them. They did not cross the border. They were already there. Break it to y', all, but they were already there. Adelita Grijava, please come back anytime, especially once you are sworn in. We're excited for you to be a member of the United States Congress because we can tell you're going to be a very effective member at representing your, your folks in Arizona. Thank you.
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Adelita Grijalva
I appreciate that. Thank you so much.
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Joy Reid
Thank you so much. Well, there she is, Adelita Grijalva. Hopefully soon to be the 218th vote on that discharge petition, which just explain that again is a petition that can be used by members of the United States House to overrule the Speaker. So the speaker gets to decide what goes on the floor. But you can overrule him. If you can get 218 votes, which is a majority, a simple majority, they can actually overrule him and force a bill onto the floor. And, and the bill that Congressman Massie is attempting to put on the floor, well, he's joining Democrats, it's really Summer Lee and Democrats, all the Democrats want to put this bill on the floor to release the Epstein files, all of them. Release everything that the government knows about Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile ring and Donald Trump, the guy who's now apparently considering commuting the sentence or pardoning the diddler, that guy who may also be considering the same thing about Ghislaine Maxwell, maybe a pardon or a commuted sentence. So he seems to be like, not against the sex pests who target children or women. Not against them. Didn't have a problem with them. We're going to talk about another one soon. But he really don't want them. Epstein files out and all the Democrats would vote for it. They only have four Republicans that they need to make it 218. And those four Republicans are getting the pressure campaign of their lives to try to make them not do it. All right, let's go on to one of those problematic figures in the last few minutes that we have in this first hour of the Joy Reid show. I want to, I want to give you an update on the pro Hitler Youth. The pro Hitler youth is what we're calling them. And as Vice President J.D. vance remind us, they're just little boys and girls. They're just children. Just kids. And in this case, it's not the pro Hitler racist calling black folks monkeys kid chat. Not that kid chat. A different pro Hitler Republican on a whole different group chat. We child Paul Ingrazia just A child just of 30, a baby of 30, a babe of 30, has withdrawn his nomination to become Donald Trump's wholly unqualified pick to lead the Office of Special Counsel. And of course, he announced that in a tweet, as one does. That's the way you announce things in Trump world. You tweet out. And he said, there he is saying, I will be withdrawing myself from Thursday's hearing. His hearing was supposed to be Thursday to lead the Office of Special Counsel because unfortunately I do not have enough Republican votes at this time. I appreciate the overwhelming support, yada, yada yada. Rick Scott of Florida had said he doesn't support him. John Thune had said, yeah, I don't know about supporting him. He was starting to lose support. But why did he do that? Well, it is because despite the MAGA takeover of America, political gravity apparently still exists. Mr. Ingrazia withdrew after the revelation of a series of text messages to other Republicans in which he bragged about his Nazi street Nazi. Let's read from a little bit from the Politico story on the Nazi street guy. And it says here, Paul Ingracia, President Donald Trump's embattled. I'm just going to read the story. I know I'm not going to put up on screen. Embattled nominee to lead the office of Special counsel told a group of fellow Republicans in a text chain that the Martin Luther King holiday should be tossed into the seventh circle of hell and said he has a Nazi streak, according to a text chat viewed by Politico in Gracia, who had a Senate confirmation hearing scheduled literally tomorrow, made the remarks in a chain with a half a dozen Republican operatives and influencers, according to the group chat that Politico found. And some of the things he said were that MLK Jr. Was the 1960s George Floyd and his holiday should be ended and tossed into the seventh circle of hell where it belongs. And that is what he wrote, not like in like 2010, but literally in January of last year, January 2024, according to the chat. And one participant responded with two words to that. Jesus Christ, let me put up a couple more of this 30 year old child. Just this little wee kid's text. He wrote never trust a Chinaman or an Indian. Never trust a Chinaman or an Indian is one of his other posts. Never trust a Chinaman or an Indian, Never. He added a never to that one. And that one was about the self flagellating wannabe member of the Whites only club, Vivek Ramaswamy. Vivek also Being the middle name, being the name of J.D. vance's son. Vivek is his wife Indian, so he could have been saying about her, too. Here's another one of his texts. Here's one. And this is including him saying, no more MLK Day. No quant. Oh, no. This one is, I do have a Nazi streak in me from time to time. I will admit it. And according to Politico, one of the people in the text group said in an interview that Ingrazia's comment was not taken as a joke and that three participants pushed back against Ingracia's statement. So they didn't take it as a joke. He's now. His lawyer is now saying they were jokes. They were just jokes. Just guffaws. Here's a bunch more. This is a group of texts. There we go. We're. Put those up on screen. Here's him saying, I said we're making Kwanzaa illegal in the next Trump admin. That was the gist of my tweet. No Moulin Holidays. That is basically an Italian word. Like, that's the N word. From Kwanzaa to MLK Day to Black History Month to Juneteenth, every single one needs to be eviscerated. Hmm. So that was another one of his interesting tweets. Now, he did have one person who was willing to support him. The Republicans all were like, a little bit squeamish about him, but his mom. Your mom is always gonna back you up. I gotta read you guys this. This is from an article about the mom saying she still got his back and then, you know, she wasn't going to let her son go down easy. This is. Let me go ahead and pull this up. I'm going to read it to you guys. I do not have it up on screen. This is not us, which is an independent media outlet. And they have posted this story about the mom's attempts to get her son through. And here's what it says. It says, Donna Gallo Ingrazio, a New York based real estate agent, tried to confront the top Democrats on the Judiciary and Oversight Committees, Representatives Jamie Raskin and Robert Garcia, respectively. He's been on the show to defend her son at their offices in late June, according to multiple sources familiar with the. With the. With the situation. The attempted confrontations followed a letter that Raskin and Garcia sent on June 26 to the leaders of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, Republican Senator Rand Paul. We played a little earlier, and Senator Gary Peters, a Democrat, where they expressed their grave concern regarding President Trump's nomination of of Paul Engrace to head the U.S. office of Special Counsel. This is a actually really big job. Mr. Engrace is unfit to serve as special counsel and his nomination is insulting to the American people. The letter reads, citing the 28 year old at the time's inexperienced defense of January 6 rioters and close association with anti Semitic extremists in. Gracia's mom took issue with the letter and four days later showed up. She showed up unannounced to Raskin's and Garcia's personal offices. When she arrived at Raskin's office, which was locked during the day due to threats that Raskin receives, Donna began knocking when staff opened the door, she said, you may have heard of my son Paul, and demanded a meeting with Raskin. A source familiar with the encounter told not us. She then pressed staff about why the door was locked. Staff informed her the door was locked because of threats that Raskin received. Donna responded with, what kind of threats? The source told not us. She continued to press staff for a meeting with Raskin. Staff informed her that he was not in Washington, D.C. because the House was on a district work period. The same day, Donna also sought out Garcia. She showed up to Garcia's personal office and similarly demanded a meeting with the congressman. A second source familiar with the matter told not us. Donna then told staff that Garcia was saying disparaging things about her son and she wanted to make sure that she could give him piece of my mind. So the mom seems nice creepy now. I should note that Republicans like Rick Scott and John Thune, whose objections finally tanked him, they kind of should have known that he was a little off. Let me put up another story. And this is a story from Politico from back on October 10th. This is about almost two weeks ago. And this is C9. Same guy. In late July, Paul Engracia, the White House liaison for the Department of Homeland Security, that's his job that he had at the time. He was 28 years old at the time, arrived at the Ritz Carlton in Orlando, Florida with a lower ranking female colleague and others from their department. When the group reached the front desk, the woman learned she didn't have a hotel room in Gracia, then informed her that she would be staying with him, according to five administration officials familiar with the episode. Eventually, the woman discovered that Engracia had arranged ahead of time to have her hotel room canceled so that she would have to stay with him. Those officials said, um, what the woman, a fellow Trump appointee, initially protested the room arrangement, but not Wanting to cause more of a scene around other colleagues, she relented, according to the officials. So the two, who knew each other previously as friends, went to the room and slept in separate beds. Engracia's attorney said no last minute changes were made to the hotel reservations. What's not disputed is that the two ended up sharing a room on the business trip and that it resulted in an official investigation. The fallout from the incident has been the talk of the upper echelons of DHS ever since. It adds to a swirl of controversy surrounding Ingrazia, a 30 year old conservative lawyer and activist who is President Donald Trump's nominee to lead the Office of Special Counsel, which deals with federal employee whistleblower complaints and discrimination claims in Grazia, would be two decades younger and less experienced than recent leaders of the agency. So basically they could have known back quite a while ago that he was problematic, but they nominated him anyway for an even bigger job. But, you know, it's fine. They've already got Pete Hegseth, the lady from WWE who's, you know, she and her husband were accused of like abusing maybe some of their wrestlers, RFK Jr. And Trump in the game. So, you know, YOLO, YOLO. But you know, getting caught literally saying he's pro Hitler. Too much, too much, too much. But it is interesting that when he was just a sex pest, apparently, allegedly, maybe it was fine. It was fine. Coming up at our next hour, as we set up for you on Monday, we're going to talk Mississippi and the Democratic Party and how to actually accumulate power. The Democrats have their own issues and it's not that they've got a bunch of people saying they're pro Hitler, although there apparently is a guy running in Maine who has some tats that are problematic. But he's catching hell from the Democrats. They're not like, he's just a kid. There's nothing wrong with having a few tats. It might be pro Hitler. And he's literally like, I will take these tats off my body. I will remove them from my physical frame in order to run for this Senate seat against. What's her name? The one, what's her name. That's always, it's always, she's always giving Trump a break. She always says, I believe Susan Collins. Susan Collins. He's running against Susan Collins. Susan Collins. Who speaks alike. She's running for re election. And this guy is like, yeah, I might have a few tats, maybe Hillary. But the Democrats aren't like great. I mean, they're barely supporting J. Jones in Virginia because he sent some untoward text messages to a Republican white female friend. And they're like, throw him overboard. Let the right wing Republican who won't sue on behalf of federal workers who mostly live in Virginia and Maryland, forget about that. He's got to go. Democrats are very different. You're different. Remember Al Franken? He took a goofy picture and the Democrats are like, get out. Get out. Even though we need your votes really desperately in order to have 60 votes in the Senate. Go. Be gone. They couldn't get rid of him fast enough. This dude in Maine is probably cooked. You can't have Hitler tapped in. The Democratic Party, they will throw you out. But on the Republican Party, they're like, yeah, you know, maybe he made a subordinate stay in the hotel room with him, but let's give him a promotion and see how it works out. He's just a kid. He's just a boy. That's how they feel about their, their young men. You never grow up. And by the way, this idea of never growing up is actually historically a piece of what American history is, right? When white men, young white men would lynch a man or burn an entire town to the ground because they were mad at one black person who rode in the elevator and brushed up against a white woman. They say boys will be boys. It's not really a crime. They never really adjudicated it. It was never criminal. They're just boys. They never grow up. They never grow up. Kyle Rittenhouse, just a kid. They're just. They're just boys. All right, let's get into hour two of the Joy Reid show. The chat is on fire. Thank you all for being here in the chat. We're appreciating everyone who is hanging out in the chat. And it says here one for. Let me read one of these chats. And it says here, Nate Jordan, 9723, says, I hope Trump doesn't change the law to get another term. I have to tell you, they're talking very seriously about Donald Trump serving a second, a third term. And he, by the way, calls himself the 45th, 46th and 47th president. He already believes in his, you know, declining brain that he was president at the same time Joe Biden was president, which is why he put up a poster of just a auto pen in his hall of fame in the White House that he's created in the tacky White House that he's turning into a gold gilded discount. Mar a Lago, we're going to talk about that. This this, this hour, too. But let's get into it. Let's get. Let's go ahead and get into it. Welcome to hour two of the Joy Reid Show. Thanks to everybody in the chat about him changing the law, Donald Trump to stay in power. They're already talking about this. Steve Bannon and others are already talking about scenarios where he could stay. He's not leaving, by the way. He's not leaving. They're going to try to find a way to keep him in. He keeps putting out these memes. Trump 2028, Trump 2032, Trump forever. Right? And they're going. He does want to stay because he's making so much money. The grift is so good. Why would he leave? Why would he renovate the White house and spend $230 million and then leave? He's not leaving. But let me show you all the state of White House demolition. It is pretty bad. They, the New York Times is now reporting that they're not just taking down a wall of the East Wing, they're taking essentially the whole thing down. They are effectively dismantling the entire East Wing of the White house. This is D1. We can show you guys what it looks like as it's being demolished. There it is. This is a fast, sped up vision of what they've done so far, but they're cracking that sucker open. And the New York Times is now reporting that President Donald Trump's plan to add an expansive ballroom to the White House will mean the demolition of the entire East Wing. The entire East Wing, which was expected to be fully torn down by this weekend. According to a senior administration official. Mr. Trump had pledged that the East Wing would not be touched by the construction, one of the largest renovations to the building in decades. Even before the change of plans, people are really upset about it because it's not just taking down part of the East Wing, it's taking down the whole thing. This is a little video. This is an AP quickie story. It's about a minute long. Please take a listen. This is the AP talking about what Donald Trump is doing and what the East Wing actually is. This is D2. A historic piece of the White House is disappearing. Demolition of the East Wing has begun, making way for President Trump's new $250 million ballroom. Franklin Roosevelt constructed the primary structure of the east wing in 1942, and it's long served as the main entry point for guests and tourists. It was designed as a graceful passage toward the White House residence, lined with portraits of first ladies and framed to the south by the Jacqueline Kennedy Garden. Beyond its historic halls, the East Wing also houses the office of the first lady and the White House social office. The White House on Monday started tearing down part of the East Wing to build President Donald Trump's ballroom. The Republican President has said he's adding a 90,000 square foot ballroom because the East Room, the largest room in the White House with an approximately 200 person capacity, is too small. Trump said the ballroom will fit 999 people. Donald Trump is making his mark as a president for sure. He has stacked the United States Supreme Court. It is a Trump Supreme Court. He is going to physically change the White House. It cannot be changed back. And he's not making any of it better. He's making it tackier, uglier. I promise you. They're gonna rename the Kennedy center the Trump center and make it the Johnald and Melania Trump Center. They're taking everything in this country and remaking it in his teeth. Tacky, nasty, wicked image, all of it. And by the way, Donald Trump had promised that not one dime of your tax money was going to go into this monstrosity. So I guess the obvious question, right is who's paying to turn the White House into a discount Mar a Lago or a bad Marriott, whatever you want to call it? Well, the BBC has some answers about who is paying for this. This is a BBC story. We're just going to put the headline and I'm going to read you the actual story. Who's paying or Trump's White House Ballroom. A dinner for potential donors held at the White House on 15 of October included senior executives from prominent US companies including Blackstone, OpenAI, Microsoft, Coinbase, Palantir. That's the big surveillance company that's going to be surveilling us now. Lockheed Martin, the military company, Microsoft, Amazon and Google. Also present was Woody Johnson, the owner of the New York Jets NFL team, and Sherry and Edward Glaser, who together with their siblings own both the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Manchester United. A pledge form seen by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, suggested that donors could be eligible for recognition for their contributions. While plans are still being finalized, that recognition could potentially take the form of names etched into the structure. The White House had originally said that the gigantic structure would have a seated capacity of 650 people. This week, Trump said it would be able to hold 999 people. Only one contributor so far has been revealed. Court documents show that YouTube will pay $22 million toward the project as Part of a settlement with Trump regarding a lawsuit over the suspension of his account following the 6 January, 2021 riot at the US Capitol. But it is unclear how many of the rest of those in attendance may have pledged to donate or how much. An official list has yet to be published. The White House officials say they plan to reveal one. Documents obtained by CBS indicate the donations will be handled by the Trust for the National Mall, a nonprofit that works with the National Park Service and fundraisers for projects on the mall and at the White House. At the event for potential donors, Trump said many of the attendees had been really, really generous and said that some had asked whether 25 million was an appropriate donation. I said I will take it. Trump remarked. The corruption man and, you know, maybe can also just throw in some coins from the, you know, crypto money he's been grifting or the tax money that he's about to steal from the Department of Justice, from which he is demanding, and I do not misquote, $230 million. He wants a $230 million bribe to pay him for having been indicted legitimately for stealing classified documents and taking them home to his Mar A Lago bathroom, throwing them in a shower, and also trying to overthrow the government. Here he is defending that. This is D5 in which Trump says, essentially, show me the money. Show me the money with the country. It's interesting because I'm the one that makes a decision, right? And, you know, that decision would have.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
To go across my desk.
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Joy Reid
And it's awfully strange to make a decision where I'm paying myself. In other words, did you ever have one of those cases where you have to decide how much you're paying yourself in damages?
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Gary Chambers Jr.
But I was damaged very greatly, and.
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Joy Reid
Any money that I would get, I.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
Would give to charity.
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Joy Reid
Yes. And of course, by charity, he means what he and his family have always meant by charity. Trumpandhisfamily.org Trump's history with charities ain't good. In New York, his family defrauded the donors to his charities. He used his charity to pay Pam Bondi $50,000 for her campaign and then said, oh, I didn't know we used the charity for that. His, his, his charities are all literally grifts. There was a kids cancer. Charity is the one that was finally the final straw. And Leticia James got them for that and made it so that he and his family can never operate a charity again. So I don't know where they're going to base this charity. They can't base it in New York. They're not allowed to have charities in New York because they defrauded cancer stricken children. Let's take a vote. In the chat, should we popularize the hashtag stopthestealing? I like hashtag stopthestealing because they're literally stealing and they're using corporate collusion to try to bankroll Donald Trump's dreams. Real Talk 7685 says in the chat corporate collusion is being dressed up as the free market. Politicians are their salesmen and religion and racism are their control levers. And did that with a $5 coin in the till. Thank you very much, we appreciate it. Real talk from Real Talk and what you would need in a situation where you have a grifting, stealing, thieving president self aggrandizing by erecting monuments to himself. Remember the arc to Trump that's also being paid for by you or maybe some rich donors and billionaires. That's all happening while food stamps are being taken away from people and people cannot get their health care subsidies extended because the Republicans are saying they don't want to because only tax cuts for the super rich get to be permanent. The subsidies for you have to stay temporary. All of that is happening. And you know who could stop them? Congress. Congress could stop them. The House and the Senate. But they're operating instead of like a real Congress that cares about its own power. They're operating like the Russian Duma. Republicans actually joke that the House and Senate were controlled by Republicans are the Duma and that is the Russian parliament, which basically just rubber stamps, whatever Putin says. And to change that, Democrats would need to gain control of the House and the Senate in next year's elections. Now, presuming we even have free and fair elections next year and that our occupied blue cities even get to vote at all. And they're going to have to look if they're going to win. They can't just look in New England. They can't just look to the Rust Belt. They're going to have to look in places they normally don't look, like the south, where ironically, based on history, it is Republicans who are leading the nation from there, from that region. It is the south that is actually leading the country in terms of where the power is. Which makes you wonder which side actually did win the Civil War. I want to play you guys a clip from a recent podcast. It was very interesting and in it there was an interesting discussion about the South, Democrats and power. This is D7 for Jason. Whenever the person that developed Project 25 from Louisiana, one of our latest Supreme Court justice from Louisiana, speaker of the House, speaker of the House, one of the most powerful voices positions in the Republican Party and in America from Louisiana.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
And number two in the House, and.
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Joy Reid
Number two, all these people and the.
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Randi Weingarten
Agenda for the Republican Party being developed.
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Joy Reid
Right here in Louisiana. Why wouldn't the Democratic Party invest more in Louisiana?
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Gary Chambers Jr.
And you spent $300 million in Wisconsin. What are you kidding me? Nothing about that makes sense to me.
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Fernand Amandi
Right.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
When you look at Mississippi is almost 40% black. If black people vote with you 90% of the time, if black black women are with you 92% of the time and black men are with you over 80% of the time, you would not go to a place where 40% of the people in that place are on your side. And then you just got to go get 15%, 20% of the other side to agree with you. You would go with those people. Either you stupid or racist.
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Joy Reid
Yeah.
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Randi Weingarten
Or both.
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Joy Reid
Or both. I think it's got.
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Randi Weingarten
At this point, that's got to be.
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Joy Reid
A little bit of both.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
I think you are either. When I ran against Luke Mixon and John Kennedy, I paid about $5 a vote. Mixing paid about 8 or $9 a vote. Kennedy paid about $40 a to vote. What does that mean? That means for the 250,000 people that I got to vote, for me, I only paid $5 a vote for the 800,000 votes or 600,000 votes Kennedy paid got, he paid $39 per person to get that vote out. In Texas, you need 5 million people to vote to win an election. In Louisiana, you need 700,000 people to vote to win an election. So if I only need 700,000 people to win. Right. And the investment is about $5 to get that 700,000, what would happen if I spent $30 a vote? 25. I ain't even asking you to spend what you spent somewhere else. I'm just telling you. If you gave Mississippi $25 a vote, what would it do? We've never even tested the theory to find out the proof that it would do something. Is Georgia. The only place in the south where you've seen them really invest in black people is Georgia. What did it produce? Two Democratic U.S. senators. The only place in the country where you just stole two seats in the country and I was a governor. Right. You don't do that over and over again.
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Joy Reid
And in Mississippi, where you just heard that was Obviously Gary Chambers Jr. Who you've seen on this show, one of the best at really explaining the reasons to vote and the power to vote. And he's absolutely right. And he's from Louisiana. So. But Mississippi is the exact same story as Louisiana, right? Yes. The origins of the power or the sort of seat of power in the United States right now are Southerners. Mitch McConnell's from Kentucky, Mike Johnson is from Louisiana. You go on and on. It's like the south won the Civil War. And in Mississippi, as I reminded you on Monday, I want to show you once again one of the two senators from apparently the part of the country that won the Civil War because they control our textbooks, they control our politics, they control are now grabbing the cultural control of the country. They are banning abortion and about to do it nationwide. Let me play you Cindy Hyde Smith. This is one of the two United States Senators from the state of Mississippi. This is da. Why shouldn't that lady, the front line and the hanging lady get a well funded challenger? Joining me now, the man that you saw in that previous clip, Louisiana political activist and consultant Gary Chambers Jr. And I wanna also bring in local Mississippi District Attorney Scott Colum who is running against Cindy Hyde Smith for the United States Senate. Thank y' all both for being here.
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Scott Colum
Thank you for having me. So much Joy.
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Joy Reid
Absolutely. Gary, my friend, I wanna let you start because what you said about the relatively cheap cost, cost of supporting a Democratic statewide candidate in the south was kind of mind blowing for me because I think that people think it's any money that is spent is a waste of money. I think that's how Democrats think. Why are they wrong?
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Gary Chambers Jr.
I think they're wrong because if you look at Louisiana without the national support, you had a governor that was elected in the state of Louisiana twice because of the power of the black vote. Over 50% of the voters who showed up to vote for John Bel Edwards in 2015 and 2019 were African American voters. When you look at the power of the black vote in Louisiana, it has been underfunded and underrepresented. But still when there has been a boogeyman on the other side, the black voters in Louisiana have stood up. They defeated David Vitter when David Vitter was up against John Bell. They defeated Eddie Rispone who was a Trump backed candidate and a multi, multimillionaire from Louisiana. And so we were also one of the last Southern states to have a Democrat in the US Senate before Georgia was fortunate enough to gain two senators. And why does it matter that Georgia gained two senators? Because Georgia is also a 33% black state where when you mobilize the black voters of that state with the forward thinking white working class voters of that state, you can deliver working class voters a winner on their side. You can deliver a Democrat in those states. And so there's proven results in these places. The question I have is why is the investment not here? When you see the investment in a senator like John Fetterman, who continues to flip all over the place on issues, and then you've lost the other U.S. senate seat in Pennsylvania, the question is, why do you continue to spend $300 million in Pennsylvania when you could split $150 million between Mississippi and Louisiana? $75 million would be transformational for both of our states. Brother Scott would be on his way to be a United States Senator, and they'd have another vote in the United States Senate. But if you have a party that is committed to not having a real autopsy of how did we get here, then you'll continue to repeat the same mistakes. Cindy Hyde should never have been elected to the United States Senate because there was a qualified black candidate that ran against her six years ago. But because he was not invested in Mike Espy, because there was no investment in him, there was not a return for the voters of Mississippi. And when you ask where are all the problems coming from in America, they're coming out of the Deep South. The Author of Project 2025, born and raised in Louisiana, graduated from Louisiana University of Louisiana at Lafayette, studied Reconstruction in Louisiana. Speaker of the House from Louisiana. Number two from Louisiana. But here's the thing. When you look at the state rankings for Louisiana. Joy. And this is where I get kind of boggled in my mind. We rank number 50 in crime, number 50 in the economy, number 46 in education, number 46 in fiscal stability, number 44 in health care, number 48 in infrastructure, number 49 in natural environment, and number 46 in opportunity. You letting the people who create that mess and lead at failing decide what happens in the rest of the country. And you're wondering why people aren't going to get their benefits next month. When you're wondering why they don't care about your health insurance today. Because these people have never been working for you. But they're good at rhetoric, they're good at talking points, they're good at podcasting, and they're very good at lying. And we have been too busy trying to be a moral party instead of recognizing that we're fighting dirty ditch diggers and we should get in the dirt and fight them like that.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. And I'm not sure how moral it is to not have passed living wages when Democrats had majority. I'm not sure how moral it is to have left bill back better on the floor and only pass infrastructure, which Trump can now steal all those projects and slap his name on them. If it's a truly moral party, they should be every day screaming about fair wages. They should be screaming about food stamps, benefits going away. People are going to go hungry literally in a week right before Thanksgiving. We're talking about people really being literally hungry. I want to. And to your point, though, Gary, I want to just show some numbers because I do love a good number. I love a good chart. We played these the other day, but I want to put them up again. This is the 119th Congress. Okay. This is D9. There we go. Republicans have this majority, a 5345 majority. Now, what this takes into account, there are two independents who caucus with the Democrats at the moment, one from Vermont. And of course, you have after J.D. vance left the United States Senate to become vice president, there's now his. There's a lot that's moving around, but Democrats have to fight their way up from just 45 seats. All right, let's go to the next chart here. This is the. One of my favorite things is 270 to win. Look at this, y'. All. I just want you in the chat to take a where the power can be stolen from. There's not a lot in that blue upper Northeast area where Democrats are going to have to go if they want these seats back, if they want back control of the United States Senate. They almost have no choice but to go south because there's really not that many other places to go. They're not going to win a seat. They already lost a seat in Montana. Not a lot of places to go, but where all the black people are is right in the South. Let's go to the next slide. That is where they are. Now, I want to get specific once again about the state of Mississippi because we talked about this the other day, and I want to do it again. These are the margins that Cindy Hyde Smith has carried thus far and ain't really that wide in what wound up being a runoff. She only got 41.25% to 40.9% for Mike Espy, who used to be the Secretary of Agriculture under Bill Clinton. There was a third guy, another Republican, who got 154,000 votes. Then it went to a runoff. And you can see how she did. She won 53, 46. That's not crazy numbers. So it's not like she's that, that popular. And to Gary's point, she got less than 500,000 total votes in order to win. When she got reelected, she got about 700,000 votes. That just make it clear for y', all that is around the size and slightly smaller than the district that Adelita Grijalva is being kept from leading her district. Solo district. Jalanda Jones district has more people in it than Cindy Hyde Smith got. Entire state of Mississippi Jalanda Jones district has more humans in it than all the votes Cindy Hyde Smith got to get reelected. And that was a big win for her, 709,000 votes. Let's bring in Scott. I want to talk to you about your strategy. First of all, for people who don't know you and are not in your district or not served by you as their da, tell us who you are and where you come from and why you're running.
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Scott Colum
Thank you so much. Joy. I'm a seventh generation Mississippian. My wife and I, when we graduated from grad school, we both chose to move back to Mississippi to give back to the state that we love and the state that we want to reach its potential. And we've started businesses here, we raised our two beautiful daughters here. And in 2015, I had the courage to run against a 27 year incumbent, a race that a lot of people did not think I could win. And I was running on criminal justice reform, had the courage to say that we needed to prioritize violent crime and be smart on nonviolent crime. We needed to look at alternatives to incarceration for nonviolent offenders so they could have rehabilitation instead of incarceration. And I lay with that message and I was able to find the common values that Mississippians share, both Democrats, independents and Republicans, and was able to win by 53% of the vote and make history. And I've been able to get reelected twice since then. And the way I see Cindy Highsmith is like a lot of leaders we've had in Mississippi, is that they use distraction and division to avoid accountability and results. I mean, you look at what's going on with the terror policy, she's totally given away her voice. Even though she used to be the Secretary of Agriculture. She knows how important farming is in Mississippi, but she's totally betrayed the farmers, totally betray consumers. Instead, she's, she's looking at division and distraction. Same with wages. You know, I'm a big believer that one of the ways to actually prevent crime is to make sure people have a job that pays and we have to have a living wage so people can take care of themselves, take care of their families, have the support they need. We haven't raised the minimum wage in the country in over 15 years. In Mississippi, we don't have a state minimum wage. It's $7.20. If you raise the minimum wage, then you're going to boost all wages. Well, Sydney Highsmith is not going to do that. Right. She's going to distract and divide. And the final straw for me, Joy, which was a total betrayal. She just voted to give people making over $600,000 a year a 3% tax cut. Permit anybody that's not here. I can promise you, Mississippi does not have very many people that make over $600,000 a year. They live in New York, Boston, DC, California. And she voted to give those people a tax cut by cutting health care for 140,000 Mississippians and putting eight hospitals at risk of closing. That means that small towns are not going to have a hospital. People are going to need to have to go to travel an hour, hour and a half to get care. That could be the difference between life and death. And she did that to benefit millionaires and billionaires. So they're already attacking me, Joy. That's the thing that Gary understands, if he live, you know, from his work in politics. Republicans understand that these states are competitive. They realize. And so out the gate, they had a minute ad attacking me. They had a, you know, they had somebody tracking me. Every day. They're doing Facebook posts about me because they realize she can't run on what she's done for Mississippi.
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Joy Reid
How much money do you need to win? How much money would help you win? How much money would you need to be there?
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Scott Colum
I mean, I think if I could raise between 20 and 25 million dollars. Mississippi is very, very competitive. I have a great chance to win now. That's nothing compared to what the Democrats spend in other states. That's nothing. There's nothing.
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Joy Reid
And by the way, I don't mean to cut you, but. And I need to get Gary back in here because I believe in keeping it real simple and plain. Politics is won by spending a whole bunch of money. You need to have people who knock on doors. You need to have ads on TV and on social media, probably more social media, new media if possible, because advertising on, you know, regular cable, that ain't it, Right? But you gotta have ads, you gotta have mail pieces. You gotta drop mail. It's expensive. But let me just give you a relative here. He said, you said 15 to 25 million, Scott, you said. Okay, Gary, let me tell you that I got a text this morning from a friend in Texas who sent me an article that Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas, has pledged to spend not 25 million, $90 million to flip Harris county just for one county. One. Gary, tell me if I'm crazy. Democrats could spend for this brother here to make him competitive so they could pick up a seat they desperately need. They can spend 25 million and they can make a difference in Mississippi. Greg Abbott is going to spend 90 million on one county in the state of Texas. Your witness.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
$25 million would guarantee them the most competitive race Mississippi has seen in our lifetime. It would scare the shit out of Republicans. It would make them know that they would have to do something. There's a million black folks in Mississippi. There are a million black folks in Mississippi. They just showed you that you only need 480,000 of them to show up to vote. He only need to beat her by one.
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Scott Colum
Okay?
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Gary Chambers Jr.
I'm not looking for a 500,000 vote victory. I don't need a 70,000 vote victory. If he beats her by one, he beat the shit out of her because he wasn't supposed to beat her in the first place. But if Democrats are serious, you spent. I've looked up numbers, Joy, in other states, they spent 637 million in Pennsylvania, 446 million in Michigan, 361 million in Wisconsin, 308 million in Arizona. Black states do not see that type of investment. And the only candidates that have that are black are Stacey Abrams, Raphael Warnock. Raphael Warnock, who has won. Right. So that's a proof that if you spend $100 million on a black candidate, you have a higher probability of getting a return on that investment. Because they spent the same thing on Amy McGrath in Kentucky and she didn't win. They did win. And how many times have we seen where there's a white moderate who they prop up and that candidate has a ton of money? Right? But then a black working class candidate that is proven through a track record of being elected has to come and try and justify why they should have the resources. The question becomes, do you want to win? Conservatives are showing you if they will dump $90 million into Harris county, they are saying, we want to take it. We're serious, we want to take it. We want to find every conservative voter that we can in Harris county and we want to mobilize them.
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Joy Reid
We.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
What does that mean? It doesn't mean that Harris county becomes a magically blue county. It means that they moved more voters because they spent more money and they were more intentional about turning that vote. Are Democrats serious about turning that vote? And if you're not investing in Louisiana, Mississippi, after the ass whoopings that you've taken around the country, you are not serious. You are not serious. And for every black person that is in Chicago or in San Francisco or in New York or in any of these places, their grandmamas, their great aunties and their great uncles are from Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, look their roots up and they will tell you that is where my family is from. That's where my and the connectivity of our suffering does not diminish because our family is somewhere else. Because what happens is the disgruntled black folks of the south become the largest echo chamber of America because 55% of black America still lives in the deep South.
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Joy Reid
Scott column. I'm going to give an amen to that. It is not Sunday, but you can get an amen. Gary for me on that, but Scott for you personally, because most of the people I know who are from Mississippi have relatives in Chicago and vice versa. Almost everyone I know that is black that's from Chicago has a close relative, parent, grandparent from Mississippi. It's just Chicago and Mississippi are just linked to together, family wise. I even think Mike Espy has relatives in Chicago. Do you have Chicago relatives?
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Scott Colum
No, no, I don't. I have in Detroit.
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Randi Weingarten
Okay.
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Joy Reid
It's always going to be one of those Midwestern cities. But this is the point that I think Gary made that is really interesting because if Democrats could think creatively, you could literally really get Chicago folks and Detroit folks who've got family in the south and say, let's do a campaign for call your grandmother, call your cousins, call your aunties, donate money because you can't donate across state lines. If you could try to get the interest of Southern to reconnect people to say, hey, if you're in Detroit, you probably got a first cousin in Mississippi that you could encourage to vote, that you could get them to the polls, that you could encourage them. Talk about what your strategy is, because Mississippi is thought of as a very difficult state to win. There's a lot of rural parts of it. What is your actual campaign strategy?
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Scott Colum
Yeah, so one thing I want to add is we've had a recent competitive election in 2023. Our candidate for governor got within 3 points of winning and again, he got a lot of his money late.
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Joy Reid
That was Elvis's kin, right?
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Scott Colum
Say it again.
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Joy Reid
That was Elvis's family member.
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Scott Colum
It Was it was. He got a lot of his money late. And one of the things I learned from it is, like you said, he had to spend it on tv. And the way to win these elections, I believe, is you got to get on doors and you got to get on digital. You got to reach people on their phones, and you got to reach relatives of theirs that maybe pay closer attention to politics that can convince them that this vote matters. Because when people talk to me and they say, well, why don't. You know, why don't black people vote Mississippi? Well, what I ask them is, well, a lot of times the Democratic Party hasn't spent any money trying to get their vote. So if you're a voter and the party doesn't spend any money trying to get your vote, it's sort of rational for you to feel like they're probably not gonna do anything if they get elected. So, you know, it doesn't take much to convince people to believe, but it does take interest. Like, that's why it's so important that you had me on Joy, because you're not gonna believe. How many people are gonna be in Mississippi are gonna think, I can't believe. Joy Reid has Scott Colomb on her show.
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Joy Reid
That's right.
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Scott Colum
They're so used to being. They're so used to our candidates being ignored. Yes, Everybody. That it's important that we show people believe. And that's what Stacy did. She showed that people could believe in Georgia, and it didn't happen overnight. She built it, and other groups built it, and that's what we're trying to build in Mississippi. But we do have groundwork. You know, there's been a lot of people over a long period of time that have been building Mississippi to be competitive. We just need the resources to go digital indoors. You know, we got to get people to come back to church. We don't have to convert as many people. We just got to get them to come back to church. And there is some conversion that. That's required. But I've been proven. I've proven how to do that. People did not think I could win my race. I didn't think I could do it. And what I realized is that if you have values that people view are. Are common, right? Because the reality is, when I drop my kids off at public school every day, right, Everybody's thinking about that classroom. Is the teacher have. Does the teacher have the resources she needs? Are there too many kids? The grandparents are coming to Parks and Recreation, and they're hoping that the field is Going good and you're worried about your grandma. Health care, the things that actually matter are common. We have working class Mississippians have in common. And what the Republican Party and people like Cindy Hyde Smith, what they do is they distract and divide because they know that if we ever see what we have in common, like I did in 2015, we can win tough elections because people care about their bottom line and their pocketbook more than anything else. But you do have to show them that you care. And you can't show them you care if you don't work to get their vote. Like one of the things I'm going to do, Joy, every Monday, I release a video of me talking to voters. What I do is I go talk to voters. I went to World Homeless Day, and I ask voters what matters to you. And I do that everywhere I go. And then I post it on Monday. I'm going to go to the very red counties in Mississippi and I'm going to go ask voters what matters to them. And I can guarantee you the things.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
That they say are going to be.
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Scott Colum
Absolutely, totally different than what Cindy Highsmith talks about. Because what she talks about is scare, taxes, division. And what we got to do is get enough money where they can understand my record, why I'm running, my values. And they can see that we have more in common than they have with Cindy Highsmith that's only worried about, you know, what's going on in D.C. she's trying to be somebody in D.C. i'm trying to be somebody. I'm trying to do something for Mississippi.
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Joy Reid
And by the way, we never hear from Sydney Heisman. She's not really trying to be that so much of a somebody. She doesn't talk. I mean, she and Roger Wicker. I think I've heard more from Roger Wicker than her. She doesn't say anything. Ever since this front row at a hanging thing, she's been like the secret senator. She doesn't show up. She's not trying to get on tv. You can't book her. She's not bookable. She is just somebody that is a disappearing entity. And if I give you some free advice, I love the idea of you going into red counties, but elections are base elections. I've worked enough elections that I understand you got to get your base out before you start trying to convert people on the other side. You have to get your base out. And I think Gary would maybe agree with me that you have to mobilize the base of people who have a personal interest in you. If you can Come out. And you know, this is. A lot of Democrats who've even won nationally will neglect parts of the south where they're like, I'm not going to bother to go there because that's not a swing district. If it's not a swing area, I'm not going to go there. You have to get those people out of those churches to come up. Let me read something to you guys for the chat. This is for you as well. This was Governor Tate Reeves, his last reelect. And this was for the governor's race. Incumbent Governor Tate Reeves garnered 50, 0.9% of the vote in winning reelection on November 7th, the closest Mississippi governor's race since 1999. This is in 2023. I didn't say 59, Gary. I said 50.9. He barely won reelection. I'm not talking about in Michigan, California, not talking about Wisconsin. I'm talking about Mississippi. He won. He barely got over 50% in the chat. Do y' all hear me? Put some hearts up if you hear me. He won 55.9% of the vote in winning reelection. Reeves, Garner. Now I'm going to give you the total number. This is the governor of your state, the person who basically is the president of your state. This is how many voted for him. 418,233 votes to Democrat Brandon Presley, who's Elvis's kin. He's like his second or third cousin or something to Elvis. He got 391,614 votes and 47.7% of the vote. Gary Chambers, Jr. We are talking about fewer voters than live in Staten Island.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
It is embarrassing. It is embarrassing to me when we look at the logic of, and this is no offense to Texas, okay? The amount of money we have to spend to try to win Texas to turn 5 million voters, because that's how much you have to win to win a general election in Texas versus in Mississippi, you need 400,000 people to vote, 500,000 people max. In Louisiana, you need 750,000 800,000 people max to vote. No matter how you split that cake, if you put that level of investment into that place where you have 30 plus percent of the population that already 90% of those people who vote with you, 80 plus percent of black men, over 90% of black women vote for the Democrat if they're given the opportunity, Black people, if given the opportunity to vote for a black candidate, will overwhelmingly vote for that black candidate. You would not go invest to turn over 400,000 votes for Scott and Mississippi versus trying to risk however much money you were going after in other states where you got to turn over a million plus voters. This is just simple math. If I have less people to move and I invest a higher threshold of money, I have a higher probability of being successful.
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Joy Reid
Let me ask you a question, Gary. How much money did you get when you ran your. Your Senate campaign? Got it caught a lot of attention because the ad you did the burned a confederate flag like you did stuff, and you really got attention. How much money did you get?
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Gary Chambers Jr.
$1.4 million against $40 million. And I beat the white Democrat who was endorsed by the governor and had 3.7 million. So against Kennedy, there wasn't $5 million. Against him, combined between Nixon and myself, there wasn't $5 million. To create a runoff in Louisiana, the candidate needs a bare minimum of $5 million to win. You need 10 to $20 million to be victorious in a statewide election. It's not complicated. How much does TV ads cost? How much do mail pieces cost? Divide that amount among how many people you're trying to reach. If you're gonna do direct mail, let's do Politics 101. You don't send one piece of mail. You send five, 10 pieces of mail over a period of time. Some of those mail pieces are to introduce your person. Some of those other mail pieces are to do contrast, and some of those other male pieces are to do very direct hit pieces. But if the candidate doesn't have the ability to go to the mailbox on multitudes of times, then they are not guaranteed to be able to reach those voters. John Kennedy was sending letters to voters, mail pieces to voters. He did ads in the Saints games because he had $40 million.
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Joy Reid
That's right. That's right. And the bottom line is Democrats buy a whole bunch of TV ads and then the consultants get like a piece of that.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
A percentage consultants get 15. If you are a media ad buyer, you get 15% of every dollar spent on TV. So that's why they forced candidates to spend money on TV rather than on their ground game. I love what Scott said about digital and doors, because why are black voters not showing up who came to see about me?
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Scott Colum
Yeah, yeah.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
If you didn't come to my neighborhood and I'm not watching tv, I. How in the hell did you expect black voters to show up for an election when they're dealing with the chaos of the reality of their life in a Trump America? And if you are black in the south, you're not just in a Trump America, you're in A what's your governor's name?
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Scott Colum
Scott Tate. Reeves.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
Tate Reeves. And a Jeff Landry, America. A Liz Morrell, America, who's fighting in the Supreme Court to take away your voting rights right now.
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Joy Reid
That's correct.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
While the Democratic Party ignored them.
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Fernand Amandi
Joy.
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Joy Reid
And the thing that the thing that I will never get over that series when Mandela Barnes and Sherry Beasley and Val Demings all lost. And I will tell you why, that each of them listened to the consultants of record and the consultants of record got the money again and spent all that money on TV doing ads in Florida saying Val Demings was the police and black folks were not. They did not go into Liberty City. They were not. If you and having done campaigns, I'm telling you at TV ads are sexy. And it's very tempting for Democratic candidates to listen to those consultants and spend all their money on tv. That seems obvious. It's tv, everybody. People are not getting watching tv.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
Here's the problem, Joy. I'm sorry to jump in there, but I ran at the same time as them and nobody can tell me any one of their ads, but with less money. Everybody can tell me about the ads that we made here in Louisiana. And nobody from the Democratic Party has called us three years later to say we, what are we doing wrong in ads.
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Joy Reid
That's correct. And we are not. We, we're not winning for not having good candidates, folks. We're not winning because not having the right strategies when we have good candidates. Mike Espy should have been able to win. Gary Chambers Jr. Should have been able to win. They're lacking money and support and also using consultants. What about Latasha Brown Black Voters Matter fund? That's where the money should be going. When you do get the money, Scott, I hope that you admit that that money is going to be invested in people that actually know how to win. Black voters who actually know how to win. Poor folks. There are a lot of poor folks who don't get asked either. Ask Bishop Barber. No one's asking poor white people to vote either. Poor brown people ask poor folks to vote. They don't vote. Poor people do not vote against their interests. They don't vote. Scott column, I'm going to give you the last word on this.
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Scott Colum
Thank you so much. I would just say I learned that lesson the right way by winning a tough election. I mean, we knocked on every door four or five times. And the key to it is that door. You knock, you talk to one person. That's really like talking to five people because they're going to spread your message. And I totally agree with you all. We've got to do things differently. If you look at what I've been trying to do on digital, I've been trying to do different creative ads and we're going to reach voters where they are. But I will say this final point because when we talk about the Democratic Party, one of the things that we have to also talk about is the small dollar donor base.
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Joy Reid
Yes.
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Scott Colum
They have to get excited about diverse candidates. They too often fall in love with the same type of candidate and those people then get a bunch of money and they don't have to do call time. They don't have to raise money. Norway. They can do a bunch of town halls and a bunch of meetings because they're getting people excited giving them five, ten dollars. Let me tell everybody out there I've been working really hard for the last 10 years. I'm working class. If you don't believe I work, ask my wife how hard we have to work. I'm working class. So if you want a working class candidate that's committed to making a difference in this in for the state of Mississippi and for the country, I don't believe there's a better candidate than Scott colon. Go to scottcolone.com S C O T T C O L O M thank you so much for having me. Joy. Thanks for joining us.
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Joy Reid
And I was going to ask you to give your website but that's a real professional candidate who said let me go ahead and drop a website. Make sure that they know Gary Chambers Jr. And S.C. colomb. We're going to make sure that we put the link in the description so that everybody can click right on and I'll put it in the substack as well so that everyone can follow you. And I wish you the best of luck, my brother. Keep me posted on on how your race is going. You can come back here anytime.
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Scott Colum
Appreciate it. God bless.
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Joy Reid
Thank you very much. That was a powerless now y' all just got a million dollars a game for free. You got it for free because we're trying to tell y' all how you can win elections. It can be done. You can win in these states. All right, let's move on to our final topic. And among the people who showed up for these no Kings Day two events, no Kings Part DU events was Randy Weingarten who's very much well known as the late the leader of the teachers. Here is some of her speech. This is Ewan.
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Randi Weingarten
Republicans, Democrats, Independents, black, brown, white. This 68 year old Jewish baby boomer, Muslim small business owners, Christian gen zers. This is as I just said, we are the majority of America and what do we want?
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Gary Chambers Jr.
What do we want?
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Randi Weingarten
We want the promise of America for everyone.
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Joy Reid
We want a voice in our future.
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Randi Weingarten
We are standing up in peaceful patriotic protest. Just like our founders called out, no thrones, no crowns, no kings. We are standing up because we don't want our streets militarized. We don't want our neighbors disappeared by mass.
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Joy Reid
And joining me now is Randi Weingarten. She is President of the 1.8 million-member American Federation of Teachers which represents teachers, paraprofessionals and school related personnel, higher education faculty and staff, nurses and other healthcare professionals, local, state and federal government employees and early childhood educators. She's got a great new book. We're going to put the book up and it's a great title. I love this title. I have started reading the book. It's called why Fascists Fear Teachers. It is my current read. I just got finished reading the Karine Jean Pierre book. I have moved on to why Fascist fear teachers. Randy Weingarten, it's good to see you. Thanks for being here.
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Randi Weingarten
You too, Joy.
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Joy Reid
I went on, I made the huge mistake of looking on Twitter at the comments to that wonderful speech that you gave. And people on the right were like, look at this psychopath. Randy Whitegarden, this is madness because you actually said like nice things about diverse people. How are you?
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Randi Weingarten
I thought they were like, you know, commenting on the fact that I'm a 68 year old Jewish lesbian baby boomer.
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Joy Reid
So maybe it was that. Yeah, they said that make you a commie?
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Randi Weingarten
Yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, it's kind of like, remember when we were in kindergarten, we would say sticks and stick stones might break my bones, but names will never harm me. I mean, it just feels like they, and I don't, you know, I don't begrudge people who feel like the world or the country has left them behind. You know, they see the choice between the cruelty of Trump and a broken status quo. I mean, you were just talking about that and you and I keep saying how do we make the world better? But you actually need a democracy. If you are not the king or the dictator or the people at that moment who are next to the king or the dictator of the rule of one. If you're not in that privileged few, you need a democracy to make changes, to make the world better or the country better or the locality better. And part of what I was trying to do in that speech was to actually say that and using my teacher voice and, you know, just to. To make the point that it was even our founders, who I don't want to put on a pedestal, but they actually said you that they were creating the Constitution, Declaration of Rights of Independence to stop kinks. And so reminding, I think, that the Twitter verse goes crazy. The quieter I get, the more direct I get, the more I don't call them names, because I really want us to be heard. And what you saw, I think that day, because, you know, they went after all these old white people, you know, what you saw was, how many times have we said, we all have to show up? And there was a whole lot of people that showed up on Saturday and said, no, we don't like this. And I think I'll say one more thing. A week and a half, ten days they spent trying to fear people, trying to tell people not to show up, and look how many people showed up. And I think that speaks volumes about. About why they're going so crazy.
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Joy Reid
Well, speaking of people who are next to the dictator, I have to play this because I welcome any opportunity to criticize this person. J.D. vance, who attacked you very, very personally during the last campaign, singled you out in a way that I think was really gross. I want to give you a chance to respond. Here's J.D. vance in 2024. So many of the leaders of the left, and I hate to be so.
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Fernand Amandi
Personal about this, but they're people without.
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Joy Reid
Kids trying to brainwash the minds of our children. And that really disorients me, and it really disturbs me. Randy Weingarten, who's the head of the most powerful teachers union in the country, she doesn't have a single child. If she wants to brainwash and destroy the minds of children, she should have some of her own and leave ours to hell alone. Now, first of all, you are a mom. But what did you. What do you mean? What do you make of that?
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Randi Weingarten
But that's part of why I wrote this book, because it's what you see in an authoritarian playbook is, first, look, regular politics always divides people. But this is the division to the demonization, to the dehumanization. Pompeo did the same thing. Oh, teachers teach smut. Oh, she's the most dangerous person in the world. Make teachers really? You're going to make teachers really, really scary. You're going to say that we don't care about kids. I want JD Vance to spend literally 10 minutes in a Classroom to understand how every teacher, whether you had kids or not, actually really care about kids. That's the only reason why people are engaged classrooms these days. So it's, it's. But the, the point that I'm trying to make, both in the book and in watching him, is that they're trying to divide teachers from parents. They're trying to break up community, they're trying to fracture it. They're trying to basically undermine pluralism. That's why they go after public schools so much.
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Fernand Amandi
That.
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Randi Weingarten
And, and when did they start, Joy? They started going after public schools after Brown v. Board of Education went, what a shock. Let's use the diversity and the equality word and the equity word. You know, all those E words. When the Supreme Court said, no, every child has to be treated equally, that's when they started saying, oh, we need choice.
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Joy Reid
Yeah. And so, I mean, the book is called why Fascists Fear Teachers. What is it about teachers that they seem to be so afraid of? Because I know my best teachers thought of their classrooms as being their kids. You know, they. We were an extension of their own family. They took it very personally that they cared about teachers, where we went to, going to go to college, what our dreams were. You know, they. They are sort of in loco parentis. And you don't really do that for such low pay if you don't actually care about children. So why. Why do you think that the right feels that it is so easy and they think it will be so effective to demonize this group of really selfless people?
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Randi Weingarten
I think it's three reasons. And just like, look. And not every teacher is perfect and not all of us teach every kid perfectly. But let me just say. I mean, my kids, I call them my kids. The kids I taught.
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Joy Reid
Yeah.
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Randi Weingarten
And my mom did the same thing when she taught kids. And you're right, I have kids and grandkids, but that's besides the point. They're my kids. I plead for them. I care about them. I want them to be successful. I mean, I remember Kamala Harris at our convention talked about her second grade teacher who came to her law school graduation. So many people have that. So this is what I think it is. I think it's three things. One and there. And, and, and they are very good at actually complaining about what they're doing. So they basically fear knowledge. What they fear is critical thinking. And they actually fear the fact that teachers. And I keep saying, look, our outside job as advocates are different than our inside classroom job. In our inside classroom job, we teach kids how to think, not what to think. And if I had the daughter or the son of a sarcastic terrorist in my classroom, I'd have to really still figure out how to love that kid and how to figure out how to teach that kid. I can't. None of us say, oh, the first day of school, okay, the Republicans, you sit here. The Democrats, you sit here. The Independents, you. We don't do that. It's ridiculous. So. So they are really afraid of kids having agency and being able to discern fact from fiction and being able. That's why they erase history. That's why they ban books. It's that whole notion of thinking. And the second piece that I think they're really afraid of is that what you do in schools is you create community, and you try to create a safe and welcoming both classroom and campus. And what if you think about authoritarians in particular? Fear, apathy, isolation. So it's the opposite of what we're trying to do in schools to really create the habits of and the practice of democracy and community. And the third thing.
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Joy Reid
Go ahead, please.
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Randi Weingarten
And I would just say. And the third thing they really particularly hate about teacher unions is that we actually have more density as a union, more teachers or members of unions than pretty much any other profession. And we're also disproportionately female. And it creates a little power. So they hate that because the power in the authoritarian playbook always has to go to the strong man who is all powerful. So you have those three reasons that they really, really hate that we're creating agency, opportunity for every single child who we are in locus parentis for.
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Joy Reid
And isn't part of it, though? Because one of the things that the right seems to really be terrified of is the increasing number of young people who are identifying as lgbtq. And one of the things that is that you're not in front of your parents. And so if your parents are very right wing, but you can't come out to your parents, sometimes you can confide in a teacher. You know, there are young people who cannot present as trans at home, but at school, they can have that little bit of freedom to dress a little differently, to be a little of themselves. And. And isn't that what they're afraid of, is that schools are not rigidly indoctrinating children to be right wing and they're not reading their version of what they think is in the Bible. Like that's what they want. Right? They're afraid that people step outside of home, you might be able to be yourself and the yourself might not be the right wing little, you know, curmudgeon that they want you to be.
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Randi Weingarten
Or look, it could also be, I mean, I don't see this that much, but it could also, you know, be, you know, you're not the left wing person that your parents might be or things like that. It's, there's. All I'm saying is that, so that question, I mean, you know, this about me anyway, look, I was one of those closeted gay people. I didn't come out to my parents when I was in high school or when I was in college. And I needed adults who I could confide in and, and more because, I mean, this is the 70s. It was pretty scary. It was like, so, so there's a difference. And I want to be really clear. If a kid is about to harm him, her or their self, you have to be, you have to be involved with their parents. You have to do those kind of things. But if a kid is just trying to figure out who that kid is. If a kid has a nickname like my real name is Rhonda, nobody uses it. Everybody uses it. Really? You have to go.
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Joy Reid
Your name is Randy.
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Randi Weingarten
No, you have to, you would go and ask my parents, like, really, I couldn't present in second grade or third grade and say, please call me Randy. You'd have to go to my parents and say, should we do that? It's ridiculous. And what's happening is it's creating, it's disrupting the relationship. And it's also suggesting that teachers don't actually understand if a kid is self harming. If we have to protect kids, that of course will go to the parents, but we have to protect kids.
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Joy Reid
They're also expecting, though, teachers to carry guns and be the people who stop a mass shooter. And at the same time. Right. They don't trust them to read a book to a kid, but they trust them to have a gun in the school.
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Randi Weingarten
I mean, the whole thing is.
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Joy Reid
Or turn them over to ice, by the way.
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Randi Weingarten
We'Re supposed to. Which we're not going to do. And frankly, most teachers in America are not going to carry guns. And you know, we don't want kids to carry their cell phones anymore. Yes. You know, so, but, but it's that lack of trust about the very basic relationship between teacher and child.
- [117:39]
Joy Reid
Yeah.
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Randi Weingarten
And, and that relationship is really, really, really important in terms of the habits of democracy and humanity.
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Joy Reid
Amen. The book is called why Fascists Fear Teachers. We're going to put a link to the book if you want to check out the book. You can buy it in the Joy Reid store. You just got shop.joyreadshow.com oh, no, sorry. Stop. Shop.joyanread.com I mess up my own URL. Shop.joyanread.Com, you can pick up a copy of the book, read it, and hopefully you will be inspired and empowered by it. Randi Weingarten, thank you so much for being here. Say hi to your lovely partner. It was good to see you.
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Randi Weingarten
I will.
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Joy Reid
Thanks. Thank you. All right. And that's it, y'. All. We have come to the end of the show. Now. We should have had a moment of joy. It is on me that we did not field one for the day because we were so busy trying to get the show together that I had one that I wasn't 100% confident in. And I don't want to play it unless I can really verify what the source of it is. But so I think our moment of joy, Jason, should just be that we should at the end of the show. Well, maybe we'll just, maybe we'll just play our little, our little music for our team or for our friends and we'll just dance along to it. But before we do that, want to let you all know the store is open. It is shop. Joyanread.com shop s o s h o p.joannreid.com, you can buy the books of the people that we feature in the show. We try to make sure that you can buy their book and support them right away. Please support the folks that are out here writing books in this environment. It's actually an act of bravery and valor to write a book in this environment because books are being banned left and right. They don't want us to read. They don't want us to be literate. They don't want us to have knowledge. I hope you guys also benefited today from the knowledge about the way campaigns work. I don't know if people really understand that the most effective campaigning is mail. Republicans used to be the king and queen of mail. They were the mail people. Mail in ads are actually the most effective ad because it comes right to your face. It comes right to your house, and it's sitting in your mail. And then when you go to vote, you might pick it up and walk with it to the polls. It's a constant reminder of who to vote for and who would work for you. So spending that money on mail is actually more effective than spending it on tv. Tell a friend tell a friend. And even radio is still very effective. But that's it. We've come to the end of the show. We thank you all for watching. We appreciate everybody wherever you're watching, big ups to the chat. Thank you. Real talk for the five bucks. Thanks to everybody who threw a little coin in the till. We're going to make sure that we do something nice for our friends that work with the show. We appreciate all of you. Thank you for Nubian Queen 6,391 through 999 in the tiller. Merch is on the way. Hope you enjoy the merch. If you guys get merch, we want you to post it. Post it. Put a hashtag. What's our hashtag going to be? Sean, Tell me in my ear, what's my hashtag going to be? I think we're going to post Joy Reid merch. Do that hashtag Joy Reid merch just to show that you guys are the readers or just do hashtag.
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Gary Chambers Jr.
Put it out there now.
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Joy Reid
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