Lindsay Clancy trial | Doctors testify about trying to save children

Summary

The Lindsay Clancy Trial | Doctors Testify About Trying to Save Children

Podcast: The Lindsay Clancy Trial: Commonwealth Confidential
Host: NBC10 Boston (J.C. Monahan)
Episode Date: July 31, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode provides an in-depth look at the latest developments in the Lindsay Clancy trial, focusing on powerful courtroom testimony from medical professionals who worked to save Clancy's children. The episode also examines the legal strategies unfolding in court, Lindsay Clancy's emotional and physical state as observed by witnesses, and delves into the mental health disorders central to Clancy's defense, including postpartum psychosis. The host is joined by legal analysts and a perinatal psychiatrist to unpack the evidence, court dynamics, and the broader mental health context.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Courtroom Testimony: Medical Efforts to Save the Children

• The Jury’s “View” and Trial Progress (02:15–03:08):

  • The jury visited key locations: the Clancy family’s home, where the crimes occurred, and other pertinent places (CVS, 3V restaurant).
  • They were shown rooms where Lindsay Clancy attempted suicide and allegedly killed her children.
  • Clancy has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity.

• Doctors’ Testimony (03:15–04:08):

  • Medical staff detailed the lack of concern over Clancy’s self-inflicted wounds, describing them as "superficial.”
    • Quote: “Were the medical staff in the emergency department actively treating the wounds to her neck and her wrists?”
      Answer: “No, they were not.” (03:31)
  • The struggles to resuscitate 8-month-old Callan were shared:
    • Quote: “Despite the best resuscitative efforts we could, it did not look like his heart would ever start again.” (01:33, doctor testifying)
    • Physicians described giving Callan epinephrine and using ultrasound to detect signs of life:
      Quote: "The first thing that we do is give a dose of epinephrine and in this case you can look directly at the heart with an ultrasound and his heart started beating.” (04:08, doctor testifying)
  • Clancy was visibly emotional during this testimony, notably crying as doctors described the attempts to save her children.

2. The Defence and Prosecution Strategies

• Prosecution’s Argument: Emphasized the superficial nature of Clancy’s wounds, suggesting her suicide attempt was not genuine (04:28–05:12).
• Defense Response (05:12–05:47):
  • Defense attorney Morgietta Derisier argues that the evidence actually suggests multiple genuine suicide attempts, including jumping out a window and ingesting pills, not just superficial cuts.
    • Quote: “…even though she tried to cut herself, she also jumped out of a window... she had taken the pills… it doesn't take away from all of the attempts that she made that evening to try to take her life.” (05:19, Derisier)

3. Lindsay Clancy’s Demeanor and Impact on Jury

• Clancy’s Visible Emotions (05:47–08:17):

  • Observers note that Clancy is not constantly tearful; when she does become emotional, it aligns with difficult testimonies, making these moments impactful and authentic to the jury.
    • Quote: “...she is crying and having a reaction when we are having a reaction to it... if I'm on the jury... that's an authentic reaction.” (06:28, Sue O’Connell)
  • Clancy’s physical state is also in focus—she is paralyzed and sits in a wheelchair.
    • Quote: “She is paralyzed... they're not talking about her broken ribs or her spine, which is what has paralyzed her.” (07:08, Sue O’Connell)
  • She is often described as “vacant” or “detached,” further underlining the extremity and complexity of her emotional state.

• Courtroom Decorum (08:17–09:37):

  • Attorney Derisier discusses how defendants are usually advised to regulate emotional reactions, but in Clancy’s case, her emotions are appropriate, mirroring the distressing facts of the trial.

4. Judge William Sullivan’s Role (09:37–11:03)

• Judge’s Neutrality:
  • The judge maintains a neutral, low-profile approach, issuing reminders to the media and keeping court proceedings focused—avoiding sensationalism and focusing on fairness and evidence.

5. Witness Conduct and Jury Engagement (11:03–12:39)

• Witness Impact:
  • J.C. Monahan points out a hospital lab technician who stood out for addressing the jury directly, potentially making her testimony more compelling.
    • Quote: “She was one of the very few that actually looked at the jury when she gave an answer.” (11:03, Monahan)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Medical Testimony:

  • “At no time during his care did he have any brain function that was evident on my exam.” (01:49, Doctor testifying about one of the children)
  • “His heart had stopped and CPR was ongoing.” (03:56, Doctor)

• On Clancy's Emotional Responses:

  • “She’s vacant. Sometimes I forget to look at her... because she is so detached and so absent almost. Which also makes when she cries more compelling.” (08:01, Sue O’Connell)

• On Legal Tactics:

  • “They're taking a very methodical approach to the evidence... But what the jury is not going to ignore is... she also jumped out of a window... and prior to that she had taken pills.” (05:12, Derisier)

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Expert Segment: Understanding Postpartum Psychosis

With Dr. Arooj Hader, Perinatal Psychiatrist (14:22–19:46)

• Postpartum Depression vs. Psychosis (14:36–17:30):

  • Depression and anxiety—common after pregnancy—are different from psychosis.
    • Quote: “Perinatal depression... does not include psychotic symptoms... Postpartum psychosis is also very different from mood disorders in that it's far less common... It often occurs in the context of a mood disorder, primarily bipolar disorder…” (14:43, Dr. Hader)
  • Psychosis may include hallucinations or delusions—sometimes “altruistic in nature,” where the mother believes harming the child is protective.

• Recognizing and Responding to Symptoms (17:38–18:42):

  • Symptoms of psychosis can be subtle (“pink flag” signs like irritability, rapid speech, or disorganized thinking).
  • Urges family, friends, and partners to seek medical help immediately if there are any concerns.

• Resources and Support (18:42–19:46):

  • Resources highlighted include Massachusetts’ MCPAP for Moms, MCPAP Early Childhood, and PostPartum Support International.
  • National Maternal Mental Health Hotline: [phone], and Suicide and Crisis Lifeline: 988.

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Important Timestamps

• [01:33] – Opening coverage, doctor testimony about efforts to resuscitate Clancy’s son
• [02:15] – Jury’s courtroom visit and introduction to day's testimonies
• [03:32] – Officer and doctor describe Clancy’s injury and response at the hospital
• [04:08] – Detailed medical effort to save Callan shared in court
• [05:12] – Defense analysis of suicide attempt evidence
• [06:28] – Emotional impacts on jury and Clancy’s visible reactions
• [07:08] – Discussion of Clancy’s physical state and medical injuries
• [09:37] – Judge Sullivan’s role and tone in this high-profile case
• [14:36] – Dr. Arooj Hader explains postpartum depression vs. psychosis
• [17:38] – Pink-flag warning signs and call to action for families and partners
• [18:42] – Overview of key resources and support programs

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Tone and Analysis

The episode maintains a somber, analytical tone, mirroring the gravity and tragedy of the case. The legal panel and medical expert emphasize clarity, empathy for those impacted (and for the accused’s mental health struggles), and the importance of nuanced understanding of postpartum conditions. Throughout, the podcast remains sensitive to the victims—Cora, Dawson, and Callan Clancy—with the host reminding listeners to focus on their memory.

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Resources

• For Maternal Mental Health Support:
  • National Maternal Mental Health Hotline: [phone]
  • Suicide and Crisis Lifeline: Call 988 or visit 988lifeline.org
  • PostPartum Support International: www.postpartum.net

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Conclusion

This episode of Commonwealth Confidential delivers penetrating insight into the medical, legal, and emotional facets of the Lindsay Clancy trial. Through courtroom analysis, expert testimony, and sensitive coverage of mental health, it serves both as an update and a resource for listeners seeking to understand the complexities at the intersection of tragedy, law, and mental illness.

Transcript

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[Reporter/Correspondent]

tonight, Lindsay Clancy hears how doctors tried to save her children. Despite the best resuscitative efforts we could, it did not look like his heart would ever start again. Clancy, visibly emotional as she learned the impact of her actions.

[Doctor]

At no time during his care did he have any brain function that was evident on my exam.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Plus, taking a closer look at the disorder at the center of Clancy's defense, Postpartum psychosis. A doctor explains what it is and how it can impact mothers after birth. Commonwealth Confidential the Lindsay Clancy Trial starts right now.

[J.C. Monahan]

Testimony wrapped early today in the trial of Lindsay Clancy, but not before the jury visited the last location her kids were seen alive. Good evening everyone. I'm J.C. monahan. Now, once the jury returned to court, five more witnesses were called to the stand. Two were doctors that tried to save her sons. NBC10's John Maroney has an update from Plymouth Superior Court.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

You can consider what you're about to see as part of the evidence in the case.

[Prosecutor or Courtroom Narrator]

The jury in Lindsey Clancy's trial on the road traveling by this cvs. It's where Patrick Clancy stopped to get laxative before driving to the 3V restaurant to pick up takeout at the family's former Summer street home. The jury was able to view the rooms where Clancy tried to kill herself and is accused of strangling her three children. She's pleaded not guilty and is arguing an insanity defense.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

The observations that you make while on the View may be used by you and considered by you in your deliberations.

[Prosecutor or Courtroom Narrator]

Prosecutors describe Clancy's self inflicted wounds as superficial, part of an attempt to fake her suicide. A Duxbury officer told the jury doctors at South Shore Hospital didn't seem concerned.

[Medical Staff/Expert Witness]

Were the medical staff in the emergency department actively treating the wounds to her neck and her wrists?

[Reporter/Correspondent]

No, they were not.

[Medical Staff/Expert Witness]

Was she ever awake or responsive? No, not to my knowledge.

[Prosecutor or Courtroom Narrator]

This Duxbury officer said he was med flighted with Clancy to Brigham and Women's Hospital. He said at one point a code blue was called for her and that

[Reporter/Correspondent]

meant that she was dead or dying, right?

[Medical Staff/Expert Witness]

Yes.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

She was chained to the hospital bed too, wasn't she?

[Medical Staff/Expert Witness]

I do not recall her being handcuffed.

[Doctor]

His heart had stopped and CPR was ongoing.

[Prosecutor or Courtroom Narrator]

Clancy cried listening to efforts to save eight month old Callan. He died three days after he was strangled, but doctors were able to get his heart going.

[Doctor]

The first thing that we do is give a dose of epinephrine and in this case you can look directly at the heart with an ultrasound and his heart started beating.

[Prosecutor or Courtroom Narrator]

Testimony will resume Monday morning. The judge has told the jury they are ahead of schedule in plymouth. John Maroney, NBC10 Boston okay.

[J.C. Monahan]

Joining us is defense attorney Morgietta Derisier and of course NBC 10 courtroom insider Sue O'. Connell. As we just heard from John reporting that a lot of the testimony today was focused on Lindsey's injuries. She had cut her wrists and she cut her neck. And doctors were up there said, you know what, we really weren't focused on that. I think of course laying that foundation, right. Prosecution is trying to get across that it really, it was superficial, that she really wasn't trying to do that. But then we heard she had a cold blue, which is as we heard they are serious whether she stopped breathing or her heart stopped. So did the prosecution move the needle then on let's start with you, Morgietta, on what they wanted from these first responders and doctors.

[Defense Attorney Morgietta Derisier]

I think, again, as we stated before, they're taking a very methodical approach to the evidence that they're presenting. But what the jury is not going to ignore is the fact that even though she tried to cut herself, she also jumped out of a window. Right. And so the theory that somebody is trying to harm themselves, even if you're looking at these quote, unquote superficial wounds, she tried a second attempt, at least, or at least a third one, because prior to that, she had taken the pills. Right. So I think it didn't land as hard as it could have because it doesn't take away from all of the attempts that she made that evening to try to take her life.

[J.C. Monahan]

And of course, we haven't heard toxicology reports yet. We haven't had any of that. So we're really just getting into what we could almost refer to as like, the second phase of the trial. It's the first time, though, that I think one of the most difficult parts was listening to the doctors and the efforts that they put in to resuscitate. We haven't heard about Corey yet. We did hear about Callum and her, both of her sons, actually. But when they talked about Callum, who's only eight months old, you could see Lindsey's reaction. You didn't really hear her, at least not on the court cameras, but you could see that she was having a really emotional time with that. I mean, sue, to you, you're in the courtroom. That has to have an impact on the jury.

[Courtroom Insider Sue O'Connell]

Yeah. And I would say, you know, if we're being critical. Right. Suspicious and skeptical, she's not crying all the time. Right. It's not. It's not appearing as if she is acting and she is crying and having a reaction when we are having a reaction to it. So when you hear this terrible thing happen to this child, they're trying to resuscitate it. We're trying to save the baby. She reacts in a way right on time when you're kind of feeling it yourself. So I imagine if I'm on the jury, you know, I'm. I'm thinking, yes, that's an authentic reaction. And so again. And also to the suicide issue, again, I'll say it again. She's sitting there in a wheelchair.

[J.C. Monahan]

Right.

[Dr. Arooj Hader]

Right.

[Courtroom Insider Sue O'Connell]

She is paralyzed. So we also know, if there's any medical professionals on that jury, you don't treat things that aren't going to kill you. When you go to an emergency room. Right. They treat you in order of what the most important Things are those, indeed may be superficial wounds, and that's the classification of them. They're not talking about her broken ribs or her spine, which is what has paralyzed her. I think they're putting themselves in a box here, into a corner. When he gets to present. When Reddington gets to present his medical testimony, just the physical part of it, because there's a code blue, there's drugs in her system, she tried to kill

[J.C. Monahan]

herself, and she's sitting there.

[Courtroom Insider Sue O'Connell]

So where do they go from that?

[Defense Attorney Morgietta Derisier]

Right, Exactly.

[J.C. Monahan]

She's sitting there in the wheelchair. As you said, we haven't heard a lot of emotion from Lizzie. And some people are even saying she's a little bit stoic or, you know, vacant. Yeah. Vacant. Is that a good word?

[Courtroom Insider Sue O'Connell]

Yeah, she's vacant. Sometimes I forget to look at her. You know, I forget I'll be sitting there and looking at the jury and. And then I'll. I'll see someone's feed that she's crying, and I look because she is so detached and so absent almost. Wow. Which also makes when she cries more compelling.

[J.C. Monahan]

So then I would ask you, Morgietta, is there any rule when it comes to how a defendant behaves in a courtroom? I've seen, you know, if there's an outburst from the court, you know, people have been removed. But what about when it's the defense,

[Defense Attorney Morgietta Derisier]

you know, so, you know, each case is different. Right. And even myself, I've told my clients, hey, this is going to be emotional. The witness may say things that you don't agree with. You have to keep your emotions to yourself. But in this case, I think her emotions are right on target. Anybody listening to these facts are going to get emotional. And I want to go back to Sue's point at the time that this incident happened. She may have been in psychosis, but she may be stable right now. And rehearing everything that happened that night, thinking, oh, my gosh, like, how bad was I that day? And that is probably what's really hard for her to hear.

[J.C. Monahan]

But would there be a limit, though? I mean, as we're going deeper into it, even just beyond this case, I'm just wondering, the emotion from a defendant.

[Defense Attorney Morgietta Derisier]

I think she's probably had a conversation with Reddington. Reddington has consoled her. He's even, as I said the other day, holding her hand. So I don't think the judge is going to instruct her in any way, because what do you say to someone listening back to something that they have done, that they've admitted to do? And that is Hard for everybody in the room to hear. So I think it's going to stay the way that it is.

[J.C. Monahan]

Let's talk about Judge William Sullivan. He hasn't had a lot to say. I mean, he says hello in the morning. He asks the standard. He talked about what you're going to do on the View. He says goodbye at the end of each day. But other than that, we know he ruled that the 911 call would not go out to the public. Autopsy photos will never be seen by the public. That's about it.

[Courtroom Insider Sue O'Connell]

Well, he is talking to us in the media from time to time.

[Commercial Announcer]

When is he doing that?

[Courtroom Insider Sue O'Connell]

When we're. When they're about to. You know, when they break, when the jury leaves. He does remind us of some of the orders in a very friendly way. Like, just a reminder yesterday, he was saying, if you come, you know, you can't do this. You can't do that at the View. Just a reminder about the 911 call. And it's. And it's a very friendly. And, you know, he's not being soft with us, but just making sure we all know the rules. And so the way he's treating the jury and the way. You see. But he's also not had a lot of opportunity because Reddington's not objecting to.

[Defense Attorney Morgietta Derisier]

Well, that's absolutely.

[J.C. Monahan]

That's what I was just going to say. So, I mean, right now, is he a factor? I mean, he's the judge.

[Defense Attorney Morgietta Derisier]

I mean, he's the judge. He's being the referee. He's doing exactly what he needs to do. And just remember, there were a lot of pretrial motions, a lot of motions in. Eliminate a lot of things that I'm sure he wanted to hash out, because he knew what the focus really needed to be in this trial. And there's been some sidebar conversations as well. So he's being the referee that this trial needs. Right. You don't need all the extra salacious, you know. You know, we've seen a lot of different judges in different cases. He's keeping it very, very neutral, and that's what we need in this trial.

[J.C. Monahan]

All right, I want to just talk about one particular witness that took the stand. You know, it was one of the first responders, one of, I should say, a lab tech from the hospital. She was one of the very few that actually looked at the jury when she gave an answer. Can we play that just to get a little sense of how she was?

[Medical Staff/Expert Witness]

Can you just generally tell us how a blood or urine sample would come from the emergency department at South Shore Hospital to the laboratory.

[M]

So in most cases, blood sample or urine will come through a pneumatic tube system from the emergency room. They'll put it in a tube, hit a button, and it will come over to the lab, which is what's across the street. And we would take it out of that canister and process it.

[J.C. Monahan]

Okay, so is she taught to do that or is she instructed to do that? Because we haven't seen the other witnesses do that. You know, they answer to the attorney versus turning.

[Defense Attorney Morgietta Derisier]

So there's two schools of thought on this. Right. Because there are some, what they call prosecution witnesses who have done this over and over and over again. So they're comfortable being in a seat talking to other people. There are some that are not. But there's also another school of thought where you look at the witnesses to engage them. And that somehow bolsters the prosecution's case because the witnesses are also engaging with the juror. So I think that this particular witness, this is not her first time testifying. So she's really comfortable in this courtroom setting and the others may just not be. That's just really what it is.

[Courtroom Insider Sue O'Connell]

Also teaching. Right. She's explaining what they do.

[Defense Attorney Morgietta Derisier]

Right, Right.

[Courtroom Insider Sue O'Connell]

And we saw that in the Karen Reid trial with some of the experts that they would engage. So.

[Defense Attorney Morgietta Derisier]

All right.

[J.C. Monahan]

Well, it is more engaging when you're in there for hours at a time. More janitors say Sue o', Connell, as always, thank you so much. Listen, we have much more ahead. The trial has put a spotlight on postpartum psychosis and postpartum depression. So coming up, a medical expert joins us to explain the differences between the two and some resources for those suffering from the disorders. But first, as always, we want to remember Cora Dawson and Callan Clancy. Those are the victims in this case, described by their dad as a little princess, a little boy who loved firefighters, and a happy baby. We'll be right back.

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[J.C. Monahan]

We are joined now by Dr. Arooj Hader. She's a perinatal psychiatrist as well as the medical director of the Massachusetts Child Psychiatry Access Program for moms. Welcome, Dr. Hader. Thank you so much for being with us. To begin.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Hi.

[Dr. Arooj Hader]

Thank you.

[J.C. Monahan]

Yeah, thank you. Can you explain the difference between postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis?

[Dr. Arooj Hader]

So we often use the term perinatal mood and anxiety disorders, pmads, which refers to depression, anxiety and bipolar disorder in the perinatal time period. So first, perinatal depression refers to depression that occurs in pregnancy or within a year after delivery, because in reality, depression can occur at any point during that almost two year time period. And when we think about perinatal depression, which includes postpartum depression, that is very different from something like postpartum psychosis because perinatal depression does not include psychotic symptoms. And, and the other illness that's also very common during this time period is anxiety. So postpartum psychosis is also very different from mood disorders in that it's far less common. So when we do see postpartum psychosis, it often occurs in the context of a mood disorder, and primarily we see it in the context of bipolar disorder, but not always. So bipolar disorder is different from depression in that it has these two mood poles, so not just one. With bipolar disorder, we see episodes of depression, mania, hypomania, highs and lows, and they involve signs and symptoms that are the opposite of depression. With depression, pregnant women, postpartum women, individuals, they usually have low mood. They feel helpless, they feel hopeless. They may have thoughts of not wanting to be alive. And with mania, the opposite in fact occurs. There are high moods, there's elevated energy, there's decreased sleep with still a lot of energy during the day or at night, there are racing thoughts and irritability. And with bipolar, bipolar disorder, women can have psychotic symptoms. And when those psychotic symptoms have their onset in the postpartum period, that's when we refer to it as postpartum psychosis, these symptoms may include hallucinations. They may hear voices that command themselves, others, or their babies. Sometimes we see delusions. A lot of time in postpartum psychosis, we can see delusions that are what we call altruistic in nature. And, you know, these, these women may believe that the world is better off without their baby or, or they should hurt their baby, in fact, to protect them. And I think a common misunderstanding of this illness is how in fact can a mother or someone do this? But this is not a personality pathology or a flaw in the character. What's missed is that these mothers often do this from a place of what they believe to be protection or love and what they're doing, in fact, what they think is best for themselves and their baby.

[J.C. Monahan]

What can a partner of someone who is dealing with either postpartum depression or postpartum psychosis, what can they do to help?

[Dr. Arooj Hader]

One important thing, I would like all family members, partners, neighbors, you know, grandparents, siblings everywhere to know there's a spectrum of psychotic symptoms. And the signs and symptoms may in fact be very subtle. I refer to these as pink flag signs and symptoms. So the mother does not have to experience full blown hallucinations in order to in fact have perinatal or postpartum psychosis. So examples of pink flag symptoms, they may be irritability, they may be mood changes, they may be disorganized thinking or rapid or elevated speech. I would just say that if there's any concern from the mother, the husband, the grandfather or the grandmother, the partner, family members, really anyone in the village of that mother, get that mother connected to a psychiatric clinician as soon as possible. And then if they are actively manic or psychotic, get them to the ER and just make sure that the baby is being taken care of. So we really want. We can't forget about the village when we talk about perinatal mood and anxiety disorders in general.

[J.C. Monahan]

What programs and resources then are available to people dealing with postpartum psychosis or any perinatal mood and anxiety disorder?

[Dr. Arooj Hader]

Yeah, so in Massachusetts, you know, we're lucky because it's. We're lucky to have McPat for moms, which is a perinatal psychiatry access program, provide more access. Across the state, we build the capacity of perinatal care professionals, doulas, prescribers, obstetric clinicians, midwives, anyone who is interfacing with a preconception, pregnant or postpartum women in treating and managing their patients. Across the commonwealth, three other big resources are the original MCPAP program and MCPAP Early Childhood and they are access programs who help pediatricians with infants and children. They are caring for and with regards to specific perinatal resources. PostPartum Support International PSI is one of the largest nonprofit organizations that provides resources for perinatal individuals across the nation and beyond.

[J.C. Monahan]

Dr. Aroojeda, not only thank you for your time, thank you for the work that you do and helping to educate all of us, all of this with us. Thank you so much.

[Dr. Arooj Hader]

Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure.

[J.C. Monahan]

Before we go, just a reminder. If you are pregnant or a new mother and you are in crisis, the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline provides free confidential support 247 in English and Spanish. You see the number there? You can call or text the hotline [phone]. And if you or someone you know is in crisis, call 988-to reach the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. You can also check out 988 lifeline.org and be sure to stay with us for our continuing coverage of the Lindsey Clancy trial. You can also submit questions to [e-mail].