Kevin Garnett Gives George A Lesson On Trash Talking | The Kittle Things Ep. 8

Summary

The Kittle Things – Episode 8: Kevin Garnett Gives George A Lesson On Trash Talking

Release Date: December 2, 2025
Hosts: George Kittle & Claire Kittle
Guest: Kevin Garnett, NBA Hall of Famer
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Episode Overview

In this lively and insightful episode, George and Claire Kittle are joined by the legendary NBA Hall of Famer Kevin Garnett (“The Big Ticket”). The episode dives into Garnett’s iconic trash-talking tactics, his transition into production, and his journey from the basketball court to entrepreneurial success. With a blend of humor and candor, the trio explores what fuels competitive greatness, lessons learned from rookie mistakes, and the secrets of getting under opponents’ skin.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kevin Garnett’s Introduction and Athlete Connection

• George introduces Kevin with a rundown of his accolades (3:00), underscoring Garnett’s Olympic gold and reputation as king of trash talk.
• Garnett expresses his admiration for George’s game and for football in general:
  • “Every Sunday is real. You already know how Sunday goes. You shut it down and watch everybody.” (6:01)
• Conversation about KG’s ability to blend into different sports cultures, with George calling him “peanut butter and jelly” to former teammate Deebo (10:20).

2. Sports Fandom: Teams vs. Players

• Both Kevin and George connect as “player fans” rather than loyalists to a single team.
  • KG: “I’ve always been a football player guy. Lawrence Taylor made me love football. Played a high energy, played with an intensity. He spoke, he talked trash. On another level.” (7:53)

3. Rookie Mistakes and Team Building Lessons

• Garnett reflects on the challenge of rookie hazing and the importance of teamwork:
  • “It looked... like bullying, you know? Instead of fighting, we actually sat down and came up with a scale...That was the first part of realizing, let’s put our heads together.” (13:06-14:14)
• George shares his advice for NFL rookies:
  • “Be a sponge… Find the guys who are year 8, 9, 10, who have never made a Pro Bowl, who have made a career out of just surviving, and find the things that they do well.” (14:48)

4. Locker Room Dynamics & The Distraction of Phones

• Garnett reminisces about the pre-smartphone era team chemistry and direct communication:
  • “Ten, twelve years ago, no one had a phone. Nothing was bigger than this conversation… That could have been a, ‘Hey, look, this is what we’re doing on pick and rolls.’” (15:39)
• George candidly discusses generational differences:
  • “The older I get and the younger the league gets, I feel like an old man yelling at the clouds. The NFL is not for long... Put the phone down, have a conversation.” (16:18)
• On mentorship: “Some guys just don’t ask [veterans] questions, and that’s frustrating.” (16:18-17:28)

5. Trash Talking Masterclass with Kevin Garnett

• George seeks advice on trash talking and draws out KG’s psychological approach:
  • “I lull guys to sleep... Hey, how's your family doing?... I don't really want to piss off [someone like Aaron Donald].” (22:08)
  • KG shares the hierarchy of trash talk targets:
    • “There was definitely people I didn’t want to get started… Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan—they had different levels to them.” (22:43)
    • "Some guys actually play better when you’re talking trash to them... that’s a list you don’t want to kick off.” (23:34)
• Garnett exposes his signature method:
  • “Any way you can grow doubt... every player steps out, has a bit of doubt... If you can grow that within himself, he will start to believe it. When you got somebody that want to fight you, you won.” (26:09-27:38)
  • Claire: “He needs to put that on a plaque.” (28:19)

6. Fun, Family & Special Connections

• Segment: Phone-a-Friend (18:30)
  • George FaceTimes teammate Nick Bosa, an adoring childhood Celtics fan, to say hi to KG. KG cracks up and doles out mutual respect:
    • “You and George, y’ all absolutely beast.” – Kevin Garnett to Nick (19:35)
• Claire calls her brother Riley—also a massive KG/T’Wolves fan—making his (and her) day (20:39-21:27).
• Banter about Claire’s family’s first NBA game (Timberwolves vs. LeBron’s rookie Cavs).

7. Athlete Entrepreneurship: NBA Summer League Film Festival & Production

• KG enthusiastically discusses launching the Inaugural NBA Summer League Film Festival:

  • “First year, we had five films… second year, 85!” (29:22-29:53)
  • Standout films: Tony Allen doc and a short about a guy who got Scottie Pippen’s phone number (30:42-32:01)
  • Big Picture: Giving athletes (and others) creative outlets after sports.

• On launching his own production company, Content Kings:

  • “I hated interviews, hated all type of production. ...But having your own platform to bring people on...I fell in love with it.” (34:15-35:15)

8. Favorite Career Memories

• KG on his stints in Minnesota, Boston, and Brooklyn:
  • “Minnesota was beautiful... a big, small city. Boston was my chance for my rings... Brooklyn, it was just so New York—an event every night.” (36:33-38:17)

9. Superlative Game – "Game Ball" Rapid Fire (39:04)

Fun quick hits including:

• Most likely to speak to the manager?
• Who sends the most memes? (George, by far)
• Most sweaters/sweatshirts owned? (George, but “what’s mine is hers and what’s hers is hers.”)
• Most likely to order a pumpkin spice latte? (Claire, proudly)
• Who’s the better reader this year? (George claims the title; Claire: “Audible, audible, audible.”)
• Who takes longer to get ready? (Claire…with help from George)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Kevin Garnett on Trash Talk Psychology:
  “Any way you can grow doubt. Every player steps out, there, has a bit of doubt in his mind, and if you can grow that... he will start to believe it... When you got somebody that want to fight you, you won.” (26:09–27:38)

• George on Rookie Advice:
  “There’s a thousand examples every day, and if you just keep your eyes open, you’re not looking at your damn phone, you might actually learn something.” (14:48)

• On Competitive Restraint:
  “There was definitely people that I didn’t want to get started… Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan…that’s a list you don’t want to kick off.” – KG (23:34)

• KG's Passion For Creative Work:
  “I fell in love with it... I found that same love in production [that I had for basketball].” (35:15)

• George’s Philosophy on Locker Room Learning:
  “We're like herding cats... but once we can accomplish that, it turns out pretty well.” (16:18-17:28)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Rookie Mistakes & Team Building: 13:04–14:48
• Sports Fandom Discussion: 7:53–8:20
• Trash Talk Masterclass: 22:08–28:19
• Phone-a-Friend with Nick Bosa: 18:30–19:59
• Calling Claire’s Brother (Timberwolves fan): 20:39–21:43
• NBA Summer League Film Festival & Production: 29:22–35:15
• Favorite Team Memories: 36:33–38:17
• Game Ball Rapid Fire: 39:04–end

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Tone and Style

The tone throughout is friendly, playful, and honest—with the hosts’ natural chemistry instant, and KG’s cadence shifting between wise mentor and witty friend. The episode swings from warm reminiscence and playful teasing to genuinely insightful storytelling about what it means to be great at one thing and start over after sport.

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For the Listener

This episode is a treat for sports fans, aspiring athletes, and anyone curious about competition, personal growth, or creative hustles after professional play. KG’s candor and practical wisdom illuminate why he’s respected both on and off the court, while George and Claire’s banter ensures every minute is warm and engaging. Whether you love trash talk tales or want a window into life after sports, “The Kittle Things” delivers on all the little things that make life big.

Transcript

[A]

Look good and green, dog. You look good and green.

[B]

I've never really worn green, so this is. This is a nice touch for me. One of my teammates grew up a Boston Celtics fan.

[A]

Oh, I don't need a shirt, right?

[B]

No, you don't. But you're live.

[A]

Hey, yeah, put a shirt on. Nick, what's up?

[B]

Yeah, he's right there.

[A]

Hey, listen, you gotta keep all this in the shot, too. Don't edit none of this.

[B]

Hey, guys, it's the Kiddle Things.

[C]

Presented by T Mobile. Hey, guys, it's Claire and George. And welcome to the Kiddle Things. Today's guest is someone my brother and I grew up watching. Basketball hall of Famer Kevin Garnett.

[B]

That's right. And we give your little brother a call today, don't we?

[C]

I think we made his whole year.

[B]

Little Riley. Plus, we discuss the many types of trash talk and how to get into your opponent's head.

[C]

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[C]

Okay. Our next segment is Kittel history where we pull up a photo and then we talk about it in our history.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

All right. This photo is from bye week. Last year we went to Whitefish, Montana.

[B]

I think it was Whitefish, Montana.

[C]

Yeah. And every morning there was this lake out front.

[B]

Massive.

[C]

It was freezing, by the way. There was snow on the. The ground. And George would do. You would jump in the lake, do a cold plunge.

[B]

The hard part was there wasn't a dock. And so on the whole bottom of the lake was just like. Like small to medium to large sized rocks. And so navigating through to get into the deep part of the water was difficult. But I did it every day. I got you to do it with me.

[C]

Yeah, I did it once. It was not fun.

[B]

It was great. We had so much fun breathing, working on our exercise box. Breathing. We were doing a great job out there, just becoming one with nature. Yes.

[C]

I like that part.

[B]

It was a great.

[C]

Also your back looks amazing in that photo. That's why I took it. For those not looking who need a description, it looks great.

[B]

It's a photo of me sitting, getting into the lake.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

With no shirt on. Yeah. Put a stocking cap.

[C]

Stocking cap. Just in case.

[B]

That was really fun. We should go back.

[C]

I'M down. That was the best trip ever.

[B]

All right, guys. Welcome back to another episode of the Kittle things. I'm George Kittle here with my lovely wife and co host Claire Kittle. And we are super, super honored today to have the 15 time NBA All Star, nine time NBA All Team, first team, second team, third team. And he's not even just an NBA champion. He is also a Olympic gold medalist for the great United States of America. Which is honestly one of my favorite things. The king of trash talk, the big ticket, Kevin Garnett.

[A]

I'll take it all. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. How you guys doing? Thank you guys.

[B]

You have a whole bunch of other accolades, but I just. That couldn't be the whole podcast just hyping you up the whole time.

[A]

Yeah, I got to give me an 85 now, man. You know, like I'm surrounded by a bunch of Oakland guys and Sacramento guys. So, you know, I gotta.

[B]

You don't need it.

[A]

They be throwing the Raider on, you know what I'm saying? So it's all good. I got 49 love.

[B]

So I. I appreciate it.

[C]

He's respected in Raiders land. You could pull it up.

[B]

They like me and they hate me. It's okay. It's a respect thing, man.

[A]

Everybody likes you, my dude. You, you, you. You can go in any hood, any culture. You good everywhere. Hey. Hi.

[B]

Me the.

[C]

I know.

[B]

Let's go. Thanks so much for being here. It's an absolute pleasure. I've been a fan of yours since I was a little kid in the back in the backyard shooting hoops, pretending I was Kevin Garnett headbutting the basketball pole.

[C]

Still does that, by the way, before a football game. But it's the wall now. When they're walking through the tunnel, I do.

[B]

I headbutt a cement wall.

[C]

Except he has a helmet.

[B]

That is for safety. But two things, kg. One, I want to say I love your. The room that you're in with all the lights and stuff. That thing is sick. We're remodeling our house. And so I get. I get my own man cave thing. And I'm gonna completely steal that from you because that is awesome.

[A]

Oh, you got it. All right, listen. I'm sure you're gonna do something different. Different. I can't wait to see that.

[B]

I'm excited about it. I'll send you some pictures of that when it's done. It's gonna be crazy.

[A]

Are you a gamer? Do you game?

[B]

Yes. Do I. I was going to bring that up. You're a big. You're a big Call of Duty guy, right?

[A]

I used to be. I haven't played it in a minute. It's. Listen, first off, when I used to play it, it was cool. And it was. Now, dog, I don't know. Yeah, it's a lot going on that I'm. That I ain't got time for. That's another thing.

[B]

That's how I feel. Like, in season, I play, like, two days a week, just on my off days.

[A]

And then.

[B]

Besides that, I do. But, like, if you don't play every day, you just fall off so fast compared to all these kids that play 12 hours a day. I do love playing War Zone. I got a couple buddies who are really good that carry me to the finish line all the time. But I thoroughly enjoy some War Zone. It's so much fun.

[A]

That's another thing you gotta have. It helps to have friends play that when you have friends.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

In a buddy group that plays, they call. We call each other. We get each other. We remind each other.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Like, I don't have that friend group that used to play anymore. We all grew up, and now everybody got kids and you got responsibilities, so.

[C]

Well, I'm sure George's group will let you play with them.

[B]

Yeah, you can play with us whenever you want, man.

[A]

Invite me. Give me an invite. What you play, G? You play PS? You play Xbox or PS5?

[B]

I'm usually Xbox, but then I have a PC, so I play any game. Yeah, that's the way to do it.

[A]

You're a real gamer? You're a real gamer?

[B]

Yeah. No. Well, I did a deal with Halo a couple years ago, and they built me a custom PC, and so I've just been using that for as long as I possibly can.

[A]

Yeah, it's sick.

[B]

I'm a big Halo guy. I got a. I got a Halo tattoo on my forearm, so that's hard. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. You're actually. You're our third basketball player we get to talk to. We had Miles Turner on. Talk to Charles Barkley a little bit.

[A]

Thank y' all for having me on here.

[B]

It's an honor to have you here.

[C]

Thank you for joining us.

[A]

I haven't been to a football game in a minute, but I'm a huge, huge football fan, man. I watch you guys all the time. Every Sunday is real. You already know how Sunday goes. You shut it down and watch everybody. So. Yeah, I'm a huge fan of yours and watching your team and everything, bro.

[B]

If you came to one of our games, I think Claire Would give you a good time. She. She gets a party bus and they just drink the entire way to the game. Get dropped off straight in stadium. Go right up to the suite stocked full of tequila and beer, and you'll.

[A]

Have a great time. I don't know if I can keep up with her then.

[B]

No, she's a tank.

[A]

Dominican. My girl Dominican. They listen, I know what. I know what I can and can't do. You feel me?

[B]

Yeah, well, Claire's from the Midwest that she knows how to drink.

[C]

Yeah, we're Midwest people. And so football.

[A]

I have nothing. I got a friend. No, no, I have nothing for that. I'm sorry. I am not a drinker. I will be sleeping like 2.5 seconds if I drink something. Real talk.

[B]

What NFL team are you a big supporter of?

[A]

You know what's crazy that you asked that. I am a players. I was a players guy. I love Ray Lewis, Julius Peppers, Randy Moss, you know those guys in which two. It helped for me to be in that city to say when I was in Minnesota, I went to a lot of Vikings games, for sure. Chris Dolan just. I can go through the list, right. And then I moved to the New England area and his Patriots loved that. So, you know, got to meet Gronk and all those guys. Then you start, you know, Randy Moss comes there for one year, has an incredible year. So I've always been a football player guy. Lawrence Taylor made me love football. Yeah. Played a high energy, played with an intensity. You know, he spoke, he talked trash. On another level, when I saw that, I resonated to him. I've floated with teams, but I've always been like a player guy. I've always appreciated the players and their movement and whenever they was able to go somewhere along with their talents.

[B]

That's awesome. That's how I always was with the NBA. I never really had a team growing up at all. I just love players. I graduated high school from Norman, Oklahoma, and that's when I was going to Oklahoma City Thunder games. And that's when they had kd, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Nick Collison in the post, Serge Ibaka. So I would go to all their games. So I was. I was a little bit of an OKC fan. But besides that, I just love following the players. It's just way too much fun. There's just so many good players in the NBA. It's like, why do I have to be a fan of one team, but I can just support all these guys who are just chopping buckets left and Right.

[A]

And OKC wanted this year.

[B]

I was pretty.

[C]

I was pretty excited to one this year.

[B]

I know. I went to. I went to a game where Shay, he dropped. He dropped like, 53 points. It was the quietest 50 game I've ever seen. It was insane. I was like, oh, my goodness.

[A]

Is that kid insane or what? Yo?

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

Dude, that kid is like secret sauce, yo. That kid. That kid is like a walking ball. You know what I'm saying? Like, I've watched his progression and I watched his development, man. Who would you say is to Shade Gilkers of the NFL? Ooh, a young guy that's got sauce and just. Just dope. He got crazy skill. Who. Who. Who is that?

[C]

What do you think Jayn Daniels is popping off right now?

[B]

Jayden Daniels, after his rookie year? Cause, I mean, you take. You take the Washington commanders, who haven't really been in the playoffs for a minute since Kirk Cousins, basically, and you take them to the NFC Championship game, playing at a high level, putting the team on your back, winning games. I mean, going into Detroit and beating the Detroit Lions at home in the playoffs, like, that's some. That's some saucy stuff.

[C]

And one of my showing out, doing.

[B]

One of my favorite things about him, too, is, like, he's got all the arm talent, but, like, the way that he keeps the plays alive. And, like, he knows how to run and not get hit, too, because you, like, the last thing you want is a running quarterback to get hit, because if he gets hurt, you're screwed. But he runs, slides, gets out of bounds. He's so good with the football, too. So I think he's. He's going to have a fantastic year again. I'm. I'm happy for him.

[A]

I like that kid. He's good. Jay. Jay's nice. He went to lsu, right?

[B]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

[A]

He's for the command. He's nice. He's nice, man.

[B]

I know my boy Deebo just went over there, too, so he's excited to be playing with me as well.

[A]

How'd you feel about that? I know this is your interview. I gotta ask you, how'd you feel about that, man?

[B]

You know, this is. I love Debo. One of my favorite teammates of all time. He's got the aura. He's got the. He's got, like, the Persona, and he hits people. He makes all the superstar plays. I love him to death. Sometimes these guys need a fresh start, and I think that's just what he wanted. He just wanted to change the scenery and I respect that. You know what it is, what it is like, you know, I mean, I got great years out of Debo and I had a great relationship with him, so I love him for it. But if we play him, you know what? I hope he doesn't have a great game against us.

[A]

I loved y' all together, man. Y' all was. Y was peanut butter and jelly together, man.

[B]

There's nothing fun. It's hard to beat Trent Williams and Debo coming out to the. When we bring up that speaker. When we walk through that, those guys had some. They had some sick orator.

[C]

Yeah. Who's gonna do that?

[A]

That's some dope footage, man. I love how y' all come out. That's how you come out to a game.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right? Real energy. I love that they.

[B]

They come out, listen to music, dancing, and I'm in the background headbutting a wall. It's pretty funny.

[A]

I love it. I love it. I love how you play the game.

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[C]

I do. I love putting up the holiday bar in this exact room.

[B]

Why don't you tell us a little bit about the holiday bar?

[C]

This is going to be our third year setting up the holiday bar in here. And we just host so much during football season and we, you know, fill all of our guest bedrooms here so we have friends and family staying over every single weekend. And we don't really like to leave the house. So I said, why not make a holiday speak easy where we can just go hang out before and after the game that's super jolly and Christmasy because everybody loves a Christmas holiday speakeasy. And we sing karaoke. Honestly, we just sit in here and it's. The place is lit up with Christmas lights and it's just such a vibe. Everybody likes Christmas lights.

[B]

It looks like Santa's workshop. And one of my favorite things is we have a door that goes outside to our patio. And last year, Claire hung up plastic all the way around, and it was called the igloo. And so you could kind of be outside but still be inside. And that was a very fun touch last year that I hope she's bringing back.

[C]

Yep. I won't tell you exactly what I'm doing, but I have some new ideas.

[B]

It's a surprise for me.

[C]

Changing it up a little bit.

[B]

Can't wait.

[C]

Here's where we like to talk about rookie mistakes, because this is George and I's first year of podcasting, so we're rookies in that regard.

[B]

We are.

[C]

We like to ask who we have on, if they remember one of their biggest rookie mistakes or maybe embarrassing moment or something that helped them down the line that they can think back on.

[B]

Or something you learned when you were young.

[A]

Yeah, I learned a lot. You know, just coming in from high school, you had to download a bunch of OGs and a bunch of older guys. Guys just on how the lead worked.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I can say that the hazing then was for more of you to show that you can come out of your ego or you didn't have an ego or if you was for the team. Yeah, I didn't take that well. It looked. It came off as bullying, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, anybody backed in the corner is going to obviously react. So, yeah, I didn't. I didn't read. I didn't read that right. And it wasn't explained to me the way I'm explaining to y'. All. It was just happening.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I was one of four rookies on the team. And instead of fighting with each other or who was going to do what, we actually sat down and came up with a great scale of, okay, look, you get it on Monday. I get on. And then that helped us. And that was the first part of versus fighting and arguing with somebody. Hey, let's put our heads together. So I. I would. I would use that. And when I would get to a huddle and four or five guys is arguing, whatever, whatever. I would sit and just let it go on, and then I would climb in and be kind of out for the conversation, and then, hey, let's work together. And. And I can say that every time I would do that. That's where that stemmed from, for sure. So that was from my rookie year. I don't. I don't know. I hope I got that right. I don't know if that's what you was asking?

[B]

No, that's it. That's 100%.

[C]

That's perfect. There's no rules.

[A]

But, yeah, every time I think about bringing people together or just, you know, when I've got two sides and something, I always go back to that for sure. But, yeah, you know how I go. When you're a rookie, man, you learn so much when you're two, three years in, you feel like it's a duty for you to pull up, pull a rookie and give him some of the same, you know, advice and some of the same tools that, you know, OG gave you.

[B]

So, yeah, that's the one thing I always. I always get a chance. I get to talk to the rookies every, like, at the end of OTAs, at the end of spring ball. And the thing I always tell them, like, be a sponge, like, absorb all the information around you as best you can. Watch the guys who are, you know, superstars, all pro, Pro bowl players, see what they do every day, but also find the guys who are year 8, 9, 10, who have never made a Pro bowl, who have made a career out of just surviving, and find the things that they do well and do that same. And also look at the guys who does do stuff terribly and learn to not do that stuff. I was like, there's just. There's a thousand examples every day, and if you just keep your eyes open, you're not looking at your damn phone, you might actually learn something. And that's one message I always try to get across to the young guys. It's like, there's just so much information available, and you can really have a great career if you just learn the right thing.

[A]

George, how much interaction do players have within it with just what you just said? I can say probably 10, 12 years ago, no one had a phone to where it was disturbing the conversation between you and I. Yeah, nothing was bigger than this conversation we was having. So we interacted, and that could have been a, hey, look, this is what we're doing on pick and rolls, or, hey, this is how I see you. Oh, okay. This is how you see it. And then that conversation right there will cut down a lot of bs. It will cut down a lot of turnover and cut off a lot of miscommunication. How are you dealing with today's interaction with players to be able to, you know, better what you two are doing as a team?

[B]

It's always funny because, like, the older I get and the younger the league gets, like, I feel like I'm an old man. Yelling in the clouds. Sometimes, like, I'm just yelling at people. What I always try to reiterate is like, guys, it's. The NFL is not for long. Like, the average career is two and a half years, right? So, like, like, put the phone down, take the headphones off, have a conversation with someone. Like, like, I know in the past, like, I've seen rookies who have lockers next to Trent Williams. And Trent Williams, who's a first ballot hall of Famer, he's, you know, 36, 37 years old, still playing at an incredibly high level. And I'm just like, you're sitting next to him and you could ask this dude, rookie Alpha Zymon. You can ask him any question in the world. And Trent Williams loves to talk football. Loves it. You get him talking about football, he'll sit on a. He'll sit on a podium, he'll talk football all day, every day. And guys just don't ask them questions. I'm just like, so that's always frustrating. But, like, what I've had a good experience of is a lot of the young guys, like, if I talk to them about football, they're locked in. And so, like, I appreciate that. It's just sometimes you have to. I always call football players, we're like herding cats. That's what it's kind of like. Everyone wants to kind of do their own thing. Everyone's kind of a space cadet, and you got to give them a task to get them to organize a little bit. So. But once we can accomplish that, it usually turns out pretty well.

[A]

I'm a huge Trent fan too. Tell big Trent I like this game, man.

[B]

He might be the swaggiest player in the NFL too. That boy's expensive. He's so expensive, it's hilarious.

[A]

I can see that. I can see that.

[C]

So how was your workout this morning?

[B]

It was amazing. Wait, how'd you know that I worked out this morning? I thought you were asleep.

[C]

I was, but the minute you took off your shoes, I could smell it all over the house.

[B]

Well, good thing we have this Lysol air sanitizer in the tropical sunset scent.

[C]

Oh, love that.

[B]

Did you know that lysol Air Sanitizer tackles 99.9 of odor causing bacteria in the air? And there are a bunch of different scents to try. Use Lysol air sanitizer to share the love, not the stink.

[C]

For example, I love working out, but I hate getting up early.

[B]

You do love working out. I've seen you work out. But the whole wake up early thing is just not going to happen.

[C]

I will choose sleep. Sleep over most things.

[B]

You really do. Besides me and Deanie and a nice vacation. You're choosing to sleep?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Nothing else will get you out of that bed.

[C]

So comfy?

[B]

Nothing like breakfast at 10:30. Goodness gracious. All right, so this other segment that we do for our show, we basically call phone a friend and one of my teammates. I don't know if you've ever met him before. Nick Bosa, who grew up a Boston Celtics fan. Oh, our defensive end.

[A]

They were.

[B]

Yeah. And so I've alerted him that I was talking to you today, and he was pretty excited about it. And so I was like, yeah, what If I just FaceTime you? You can say what's up to Kevin.

[A]

Oh, Nick. Nick. Good people, man. Nick, this is fantastic. I don't need a shirt, right?

[B]

No, you don't, but.

[A]

No, you're live. Yeah. Put a shut on Nick. What's up? I. I don't really watch basketball anymore, but growing up, I was the biggest Celtic fan. Oh, that's what's up. That's what's up. That's from that area. So, you guys. I mean, I was a lot of heartbreak, but 2008 was worth it. At least we got one of them. You know what I'm saying? One's better than nothing. You feel me?

[B]

Damn, strangers.

[C]

We're trying.

[A]

I'm a huge fan, man. I'm a huge fan of yours, man. Man, you kill it, man. You're a beast, man. I love how you approach the game. You and George, y' all absolutely beast, y' all from the. You feel me? They are from it, bro. I appreciate it. Y' all real. Y' all real money, man.

[B]

Nick is real money. That boy expensive. I appreciate Nick.

[A]

It's good to meet you, brother.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

Bye. You, too, brother. That's dope. That's dope. Thank you, George. Thank you for that, man. That's cool. As.

[C]

My first NBA game was with my brother, and my brother is, like, the biggest fan of you, too. We both grew up playing basketball, and then we both ended up playing basketball at Iowa for four years. He's my little brother. And it was when you were with the Timberwolves, So that was our first NBA game ever, and you're playing LeBron's rookie year, I think when he was with Cleveland. Yeah, it was sick.

[B]

It's not a bad first NBA game, too.

[A]

Hey, for two seconds, I thought y' all was about to call him. Like, y' all did both. I was about to say, yo, it's been a. It's an incredible day today. I thought you was about to hit him on the horn.

[C]

Oh, my brother. He's working right now. I don't know if he'll answer, but we can. We can try it.

[B]

If he answers, I mean, it's on him. I warned.

[C]

Let me see if I can find this picture.

[B]

I warned him. I said, hey, I mean, I got the jersey from his house. This was his gift I got for him.

[A]

Mr. Overnunder. What's over and under for him? Answering.

[C]

Can you see this or no?

[B]

Plus plus 250. Oh, my God.

[A]

He answered. Snap. I see. Hey, he rapping. Hey, Let's go. Does it fit you?

[B]

There's kg.

[A]

Yes, sir. What's up, little bro? What's up, little bro?

[C]

What's up, little bro? Big ticket.

[A]

Let's go.

[C]

I'm showing him all your sweet pics.

[A]

Yeah, I see him. Tell him. I see him repping him. The Shamrock. Yeah, he look good in that five, you know?

[C]

Good in that five.

[A]

Hey, come on. I had to rep the five. And the 21.

[B]

And the 21.

[A]

Hey, that's what's up. I forgot. Yeah. Hit Midwest, boy. He probably Timberwolves over everything. That's right. Okay.

[C]

I just told him our first NBA game was the Timberwolves. I just told him our first NBA game was the Timberwolves.

[A]

Yeah. That's what's up, man. I got some love for him, man. That's what's up. Timberwolf love, brother. I love it.

[C]

So he's six, seven now. And when George and I first started dating, he was obviously shorter than him.

[B]

Yeah. Like, by a foot.

[C]

Took like a year and a half for him to get taller than George.

[B]

He was like, george, do you play?

[A]

Do you hoop?

[B]

Oh, I was a. I was that guy. I had eight points, 10 rebounds, and five fouls a game, baby. I played like a football player. All right, well, we'll get. I'm going to get into trash talk a lot with you, Kev, because I'm really excited to hear about that. My trash talk's very different. I see. I lull guys to sleep with just like, hey, how's your family doing, man? Or, hey, great seeing you out here. You're having a great year. You're doing great out there. And also, I've had the experience. Like, I've been playing guys like Aaron Donald my entire career. Right. And that's a guy I don't really want to piss off. Were there any guys that for you that you Were like, I'm not going to trash talk this guy.

[A]

Oh, yeah, we got some Aaron Donalds in our league, too. We got a guy by the name of Shaquille o'. Neal. We had a guy by the name of Michael Jordan. Had a guy by the name of Akeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone. It was guys that, you know on the list that, you know, you thought about, but, you know, you know how in competition you're not initially talking trash. Sometimes it's, you know, it's the feeling. Sometimes, you know, he said something to you. It's an interaction. You was feeling something, he didn't like it. Sometimes it's just energy, you know what I'm saying? You know, you're bumping and you're going. I only use trash talking to. To take people out of their square, you know what I'm saying? There was definitely people that I didn't want to get started, like Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, they had different levels to him. And then guys that I'm talking trash to, you know what I'm saying? Really are the guys that actually want to talk trash, you know what I'm saying? So there's some. Some nights there's a guys that you would know, and some nights there to be guys that you be like, man, ain't talking no trash. You barely. Man, you finish, you finna get served in like two minutes. I ain't talking no junk to you. But it's definitely guys out there that. That's on that list that you don't wanna. You don't wanna. You don't wanna kick nothing off. You don't wanna start them. You know, some. Some guys actually play better when you're talking trash to them. So, yeah, it's guys on there. Shaquille o' Neal's on that list. Cole, Mike Jordan. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's. That's a list. That's definitely a list.

[B]

You said that there's guys that you don't really talk trash to because you're like, oh, you're gonna be out here in two minutes. So in football, one of the favorite ones I've heard was our fullback Kyle Juszczyk. Uses if someone talks trash to him and he doesn't know, he'll be like, hey, can you turn around so I can see the name on the back of your jersey? Because I have no idea.

[C]

I know who I'm talking to.

[B]

So I know who I'm talking to, because I have no idea who you are.

[A]

Oh, man, that's that's another level of disrespect.

[B]

You see, I use that. I use that. Last year I was like, we're playing. It's like, first game this season, I just have a chip block. I'm like, chip and a guy, defensive end. I go to the flat and I go to chip this guy, and he just grabs me by the. By the neck and, like, throws me to the ground. And he's like, hey, yeah, stay down. I look up and I'm like, I literally have no idea who this guy is. Never seen before. I know he was on his, like, third rotation. I'm like. And then he had a penalty for it too. So he got like a 15 yard penalty on it too. So I was just in his ear the rest of the game for the six snaps that he played. I was like, dude, just go back over to your coach, sit on the bench. Don't get another penalty. You're hurting your team. Don't know who you are. Like, don't say, man. Like, you don't. You don't. You don't have that right yet.

[A]

So I get it.

[B]

That's fun.

[A]

When you're trying to establish yourself, when players are. Who are unknown, who have talent, feel like they have a moment, they take it. I have no, you got to be careful with that, though, because when you're dealing with certain guys that can go to another level, that's when you're like, oh, man, I shouldn't have said nothing. But, no, no, you live and learn.

[B]

Too, you know, you live and you learn. I mean, I. I definitely. I mean, because I remember my first start ever. I was blocking Julius Peppers when he was with the Carolina Panthers, and I didn't say a single thing to him the entire game. He had that big face mask with all the bars on it, the black visor, absolutely terrifying. I was like, ah. It's like, dude, you're amazing. Thanks for having a great career.

[A]

Yeah, after.

[C]

You were like, I played with you on MAD or something.

[A]

He played ball. He actually played ball. He played basketball and football. Yeah. Jules is nice. Shout out to juniors, man. Ye.

[B]

Dude was a freak. But the whole game I was like, dude, I was like, I played with you, like, on MAD 2007. Man, this is so sick. I was just trying to compliment him the whole day because I didn't want.

[C]

Him to hurt me because then just got worked.

[B]

Yeah, then I got. Then I got worked. It was pretty fun. Oh, my goodness.

[A]

George, you probably already know this. Any way you can grow doubt. Any way you can grow Doubt. Every player steps out, there, has a bit of doubt in his mind, and if you can grow that within himself, he will start to believe it. And that's what I learned. I learned that. Listen, I would sit here, and I was a defender first, so I would catch pattern. I would sit there and be nodding my head as you was driven the ball back and forth. And then I would say, hey, your left hand ain't as strong as your right hand. You put it back in your left hand. I'm gonna take that. And then I would sit up. Then I would study the body language to what I just said and how someone would take that. And two people gonna have it. Either you're gonna have the person that's gonna man up and he gonna start. He gonna get big, and he gonna start rocking it, or he gonna. Or the other guy, he's gonna turn his back and he gonna. And then I'm gonna go next. I'm always observing. I know all players have a flaw, and I would try to embellish that flaw. I don't care what it was. And then I would just throw something out that I would just see and, oh, look, you can't even tie your shoe. Left hand. And then I would make you go left. And then I was. Couldn't. I saw you couldn't go left. That would make it even worse. Like, oh, my God, you can't go left. How you an NBA player. You can't go. So growing that doubt. Remember this growing doubt is a real thing, and it'll make someone want to switch to sport on you. When. When you got somebody that want to fight you, you won. You know, paying attention to one's energy, paying attention to one's movement and all that is important. And then telling them about it, because every player got that doubt up here, whatever it is. Yeah, if you can grow that, that. That would be the key. I would give.

[B]

Damn straight. Because now they're not thinking about basketball. They're thinking about fighting you.

[A]

I'm not here to promote anyone fighting, but, yeah, you protect yourself at all times. But, you know, weak minds. You know, we forget that this game is also cerebral. And we got a physical play and then we got a mental thing that you and I are doing. And then energy is speaking more than both of those. You know what I'm saying? So I was so tapped into that that I can tell right away when a guy was super, like, energetic to play me, he'll be more susceptible for pump fakes. You know, he was super excited. Or that guy that wasn't bringing energy. I can just out energy him and just outwork that person.

[B]

So that's what I'm.

[C]

That was some good knowledge.

[B]

That was one of the coolest.

[A]

Damn.

[C]

He didn't put that stuff on a plaque.

[B]

It was sick, dude.

[C]

Damn, that was good. Okay, well, you want to talk about the inaugural NBA Summer League Film Festival and how that went? That's it.

[A]

Talk about it.

[C]

That's sick.

[A]

By the way, we were having a discussion one time, and I was like, man, do y' all know on some fun fact stuff? I was like, man, do y' all know how many players in the league have, like, production companies, have music companies, blah, blah, blah? And they was like, really? I was like, man, we should start a. We should start a film festival somewhere. And I was like, watching how summer league, when it first starts, the first two games are great, and then after the third, fourth game, nobody else plays. So I was like. To keep, like, interest, why don't we put some events into, like, the summer league or something? And Albert. I know Albert and Warren, who actually run it, and we threw them a concept about, you know, bringing films in that was cured from players or come from players or that started or whatever. And the first year we did it, we got like five films. They kind of heard the giggles and all that, but, you know, when you start something, you know, it takes time to develop. Right. So over that next year, we just developed, gee, don't you know, the next time. The second year, which was this year, we got 85 films. Whoa. 85 films. So we had to go through. Curate. Well, actually, we got 100 films we had to go through and chop down. And it was. It's. It's. Now we've started something. I love the momentum that is created both positively for Vegas and the summer league.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But for the game of basketball and sports, man. So we're just trying to, you know, make it a fun time while you're there and have it have different pockets, not just basketball, but being able to be entertained by movies, to. To be able to also have a platform to feature these. A lot of these projects. So, yeah, I'm just. I'm. I'm super gassed about this. And yeah, we're just growing it at this point.

[B]

When you go, you guys, like, how many films do you watch? And you said they're kind of shortened and stuff like that so you can watch a bunch of them. Did you have, like, a favorite or, like a player who was like, a part of a film that was your Favorite.

[A]

So the Wind told us, hey, any bougie upper teary, y' all can show them over here. We was like, okay. And then the Palms was like, hey, all that young stuff y' all got, we want that. Yeah, bring it over here. So we was. We was doing this. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But two films stood out to me that I'm so happy and proud of. One being Tony Allen, Memphis Grizzlies, the Grit and Grind. He actually is a teammate of mine that played with me, and they actually took this piece and used it as a promotion to his retirement. And we saw it as an opportunity to tell and further a story. So we took it, put a little more money into it, and got it further, and then grew it to where it was a full document. And not only do you get to hear it from Tony Allen's voice, but you. You get to walk it with him. You get to see his mother. You get to see where he started in college and what was his options, and he got a full story. So I'm very proud of him, just knowing his journey and where he's been and where he's at. Having a documentary in Vegas and summer league and being in the summer, you know. And then another one that I loved, it was a kid that actually went to go change his phone number, and the new number he got was actually Scottie Pippen's old number.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

So for a year, he didn't realize he had Scottie Pippen's number. And I think within that year, he figured it out, and then he started acting like he was Scottie Pippen. So it took you on this whole little short story. It ain't. It ain't super long, but it's short right to it. And then it's, ah, you know what I'm saying?

[C]

So cool.

[A]

So those are the two that actually got me out of my seat. It's a bunch more in that. Dragon Petrovich, one of the greatest shooters to ever playing our game, who's an international star. Sally Unalived during a car crash when he was still young. Someone did a great story on him and did a. I pick on him, which is dope. And just a bunch of different stuff in there, man. But it was a great variety of movies and stuff to be able to sort through. So. Yeah.

[B]

You have your own production company, right? Content studio?

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[B]

I have two questions about that. One, how hard is it coming up with a name that makes sense and is kind of clever and not stupid? And then two, what's next for you guys?

[A]

Well, we had to change our name because we felt like, although our name is something that we came up with and it was true to us, you still have to think about business.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And all other things that come with it. So we came up with content kings. Made sense. I think what's next for us is just development. We've. I have a studio, KG certified. I shoot a show in it. We've been curating some female podcasts just to be able to have some demographics, but we're here trying to develop new shows. We're talking about launching a platform to be able to bring, you know, podcasts in. We don't know. We know in the next two to three years, a bunch of known players are going to probably retire and probably going to be looking to do other things in production. So I'm just trying to. I'm trying to be a wheelhouse for guys who want to be in this space. And I'm trying to, you know, when you jump in this production space, it's a bunch. You got to learn, you got to have solid partners. So I want to be able to help players and people who are trying to get in this space to be able to cut some of the know how and some of the knowledge. Yeah, you know, sometimes you learn by your mistakes and being able. I want to help players, actually, with those implications and helping them better their own and white label and, you know, so forth. But, yeah, man, I'm loving what I'm doing. It's hard finding energy and creating something that gets you out of bed, you know, fortunately, I had the game to get me out of bed every day, and I found that love. I can say that I found that same love in production. So that's awesome.

[C]

That's amazing.

[B]

When did you get into, like, the production company stuff? Like, how long ago or like, how long after you started playing?

[A]

Hey, gee, I hated interviews. I hated all type of production. I could not stand none of this. 2016, I retired and Turner came to me with an opportunity to have my own show. And it was more of education. It was more like behind the wall and behind the curtain, if you will, of what goes on or educating the audience. And it was called Area 21. And I fought it for a little bit, and then I sat down and thought about being able to speak on your own narrative. Being able to speak for yourself.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Being able to have a platform in which you can bring other people on to hear them. And I said, okay, okay, let me. Yeah, let's jump in it. And when I jumped in it, I was a student and I fell in love with it. And ever since I've been in production, I started or I got with a group with my other two partners, and we started Content Kings back in 2017, 2016, something like that. And we've just been pumping and grinding and just going, going, going, going, going, going, going. And yeah, this is. This is where we at.

[B]

That's awesome. It's fun to find something that, like, you have another passion for that you didn't even know you had a passion for until you got into it.

[A]

And as you can see, when I tell stories, I get along with a little bit. I didn't know that storytelling was a thing. Yeah, you know, I sometimes tell stories and I'm visual, so I use my hands and all that, as you can see. But sometimes when I'm. I inadvertently found out that I'm a good storyteller.

[B]

You are.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Just to being able to communicate and have different conversations with guys. But, yeah, so, you know, hopefully you don't even know. I didn't even know I had all this till I dabbed, until I dove in it. You know what I'm saying? And I'm just glad people are able to appreciate what we put now.

[C]

Yeah. Well, that's amazing that you're doing that and giving these guys, like, another creative outlet, because they're always thinking, you know, in the back of your mind, what are you gonna do when ball's over? And they'll find that next passion and doing it with you. I'm sure they're, like, geeking out about that. So that's cool that you started that film festival or giving them those ops.

[A]

Indeed. I'm glad. I'm glad it's here. And it's for everybody. It ain't basketball players for everybody who has vision, who has creation and production. So, yeah, phenomenal.

[B]

All right, we got just a couple basketball questions for you, and one I wanted to ask was. So you played for three teams over the course of your career, and I'm assuming that you had. I mean, did you have the most fun in Minnesota and Boston? Probably most fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, probably.

[A]

I had more years there. I had a good time in New York. I played for Brooklyn for like, a one and a half, but it was a great time in New York.

[B]

So, yeah, great time. Do you have a favorite memory looking back on, like. Like, maybe a favorite Minnesota memory, A favorite Boston memory besides winning and then maybe a favorite Brooklyn Nets?

[A]

Favorite Minnesota Memory was just always. Because I went to Minnesota. I was young, straight out of high school. I brought all my friends that I could. And yeah, through that whole process of being there, we just grew up as young guys into, you know, young adults. So Minnesota with. With the dope lakes and the more simplistic things you can do, it's like a big, small city city. Yeah. I'm from a small city in South Carolina, sort of being a big city where you can find pockets to enjoy, like water and, you know, like normal stuff. I had a beautiful home with grass and trees and eagles and. Oh, man, Minnesota was just beautiful. It was. It's still in my heart. You feel me?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I was more of an established player when I went to Boston. I was a grown man, had children, had a family. I was playing with a lot more better talent and yeah, had a lot more on the line, so to speak. I looked at the Boston opportunity was my chance to be able to get my rings and submit, solidify myself in whatever history I was going to be in. And then New York, Brooklyn, man, Brooklyn was just. Brooklyn, man. It was. It was just so New York. You know, every time we. Every time we played, it was. It was an event. It was nothing short of an episode every night. You don't know who going to be at the games. You know, it was just prime time. I can say all three destinations had their own distinctions and what they meant to me. So. Yeah, and I was. I can say that in all three places, I was in a. As a different. I was in a different place in all three of them.

[B]

You're incredible. I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to me and my wife.

[A]

Thank you all for having me, man.

[B]

That was. That was an absolute hoot. I really appreciate all the stories you shared because it was awesome. I've always been a fan, but now I've learned a lot about you today. So I really appreciate that and I. Hopefully we can convince you to come to a Niners game, wherever that is on the road, at home. You let us know. We'll take good care of you whenever you want.

[A]

Thank you, man. And pleasure to meet you both. You have a beautiful family, man. And George, I'm a huge fan of yours, man.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? So keep doing what you do, bro. If you ever need me for anything, you hit me. All right.

[C]

Thank you. That was awesome. That was a joke. All right, Our last segment is called Game Ball where we are going to pick superlatives for the two of us. Rapid Fire.

[B]

Rapid fire.

[A]

Who's more likely to speak to the manager?

[B]

Grab the ball.

[A]

Me.

[B]

I will never do that. No matter how, no matter what happens. I'm never speaking to a manager.

[C]

I generally won't either. Unless it's a horrible travel thing or like it's an obvious mess up. Then I have to talk to the manager.

[A]

Who sent the most memes this week.

[B]

It'll always be me. I always send the most memes. Sometimes it's a one sided relationship. She hasn't checked her TikTok in months.

[C]

I'm getting better. It's on my year to do list to be better at.

[B]

It's on her yearly it's on her yearly to do list to see the videos and memes that I send her. Who owns more sweaters? I'm gonna call sweaters as sweatshirts. And I have an infinite amount of sweatshirts that then she in turn uses. So her sweatshirts are my hoodies, which is fine. What's mine is hers and what's hers is hers. Who's more likely to order a pumpkin spice latte literally a couple days ago? I'm obsessed. If they're for sale, I'm getting them. I love them. They are so tasty and an absolute treat. Who's been a better reader this year?

[C]

You.

[B]

When's the last time you read a book? Just don't answer. Don't answer.

[C]

Audible, audible, audible.

[B]

I'm winning that one. I like books. Who took longer to get ready the.

[A]

Last time you went out? Me.

[B]

Grab the ball.

[C]

I think that's an obvious.

[B]

Takes me three minutes to get ready.

[C]

I do his hair.

[B]

Whoa. Not every time.

[C]

So then I'm delayed even more. Ian pick out his clothes. He picks out his shoes.

[B]

I mean, the last time we went out, I dressed myself. You just told me not to wear the shirt and then I changed my shirt. It's fine.

[C]

Taking out my time. Thanks for tuning in to another episode.

[B]

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