The Kristan Hawkins Show – Episode 39

Title: IVF Destroys More Babies Than It Creates & The Newly Approved Abortion Pill
Host: Kristan Hawkins
Date: October 22, 2025

Overview

In this passionate episode, Kristan Hawkins addresses a series of recent developments affecting the pro-life movement, focusing on the FDA's approval of a new provider of chemical abortion pills (mifepristone), the Trump administration's new policies supporting IVF (in vitro fertilization), challenges surrounding prenatal diagnoses and abortion, and, ending with some positive news for pro-life advocates, a review of the closures of dozens of Planned Parenthood facilities in 2025.

Kristan, leaning into her signature fervent tone, delivers a detailed argument concerning the ethical, medical, and environmental challenges surrounding modern reproductive technology and abortion, urging pro-lifers to be informed, engaged, and active.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. FDA Approves New Chemical Abortion Pills Provider: Evita

• Background: The FDA approved “Evita” to sell generic mifepristone, increasing the availability of cheaper chemical abortion medication.
• Industry Naming Critique: Kristan criticizes the naming conventions of abortion providers, insinuating dark or ironic meanings behind names like “Lilith Clinic” and “Evita.”
  • Quote:

    "Evita... the name is from the name Eva, which comes from the Hebrew meaning ‘life’ or ‘living one.’ It’s literally the name of Eve, in the Bible. ...but in Genesis... it doesn’t end in life but in death for her and all her descendants." (07:00)

• Policy Criticism:
  She calls out both the FDA (“pro-abortion deep state”) and the Trump administration for allowing this approval, despite pro-life campaigning and petitions.
  • Quote:

    "It is a very bad look and a very bad sign when the abortion industry is scoring wins under the most pro-life Republican we’ve had in decades." (10:20)

• Students for Life’s Response:
  • Refilling citizen petitions on:
    • Environmental risks and water contamination.
    • Endangered Species Act violations.
    • Clean Water Act compliance.
  • Concern that metabolites from abortion drugs are appearing in tap water, affecting public health (not just the pro-life cause).
  • Quote:

    "Everybody needs progesterone... This is a hard issue. This is something we’ve been working on for years." (14:20)

• Legislative Push:
  • Pro-life coalitions are pressuring the EPA to start testing water for chemical abortion pollutions—"forever chemicals."
  • Encouragement for listeners to stay involved and informed:

    "Go to thisischemicalabortion.com, track the issue there with us and get involved, please." (18:45)

2. Trump Administration’s New IVF Policies

• Policy Overview:
  Trump administration announces initiatives to expand IVF throughout the U.S., including efforts to reduce drug prices for IVF procedures.
• Pro-Life Movement’s Reaction:
  • Kristan is sharply critical, asserting that true pro-lifers must oppose IVF, not just abortion.
  • She accuses the administration and some pro-life legislators of being uninformed.
  • Quote:

    "Even President Trump was asked yesterday about this and pro-lifers who disagree with IVF, and he acted like he didn’t know that pro-lifers disagree with IVF." (20:25)

• Arguments Against IVF:
  • High Loss Rate: Estimates 80-90% of embryos created through IVF are never born (either fail to survive thaw, are not implanted, or are discarded).
    • Quote:

      "Actually, [IVF] kills more children... on the number scale, IVF kills more humans every year in our nation than abortion." (24:30)

  • Commodification: IVF turns children into commodities—it makes having a child a perceived "right," leading to dangerous attitudes and abuse.
    • Quote:

      "It commodifies humans. It turns having a child... into a right. When people believe having children is their right, it allows for terrible, awful things to happen." (26:00)

  • No Infertility Cure: IVF doesn’t treat or diagnose underlying infertility, it just bypasses the problem.
    • "IVF does not cure infertility because it doesn’t treat the underlying condition that’s been preventing her from conceiving naturally." (34:10)
  • “Designer” Children Scenarios: Cases cited of surrogacy tragedies, genetic selection, and even abuse risks with minimal oversight.
    • "This creates abusive scenarios for families." (37:18)
  • Impact on Women: IVF’s average age is 36; expensive, stressful, with only a 50% chance of success after three cycles and a significant emotional/physical toll.
    • "After three cycles, at least more than 20 of her kids on average would have been lost in the process..." (32:00)
• Ethical Alternatives:
  Kristan offers non-IVF options for couples struggling with infertility:
  • Napro Technology
  • Creighton Model FertilityCare System
  • Billings Ovulation Model
  • Marquette Method
  • FEMM
  • St. Paul VI Institute (holistic, treats root causes) (StPaulVI.com)
  • factsaboutfertility.org
  • Quote:

    "The reality is the alternatives, the ethical, cost-effective... options aren’t being considered because of one thing: there’s no economic incentive." (44:02)

3. Prenatal Diagnosis, Adverse Prognosis, and the Push for Abortion

• Common Medical Practice:
  • Women presented with serious fetal diagnoses (e.g., anencephaly) are almost universally advised to abort.
  • Hawkins claims 80% of such prenatal diagnoses can be wrong.
  • Quote:

    "What you need to know is... the 100% prescription all the time with most OBGYNs is abortion, even if they’re wrong." (48:30)

• New Research:
  • Peer-reviewed study shows that women who terminate after an adverse diagnosis experience more despair, avoidance, and depression than those who carry to term.
  • "There appears to be a psychological benefit to women to continue pregnancy following a lethal fetal diagnosis." (40:22)
• Perinatal Hospice:
  • Supportive care options exist for parents, including perinatal hospice and groups like Prenatal Partners for Life.
  • "Perinatal hospice offers specialized medical, spiritual, emotional support... for families that receive a prenatal diagnosis indicating their baby may die soon before or soon after birth." (46:28)
  • Resources:
    • perinatalhospice.org
    • prenatalpartnersforlife.org

4. Good News: Planned Parenthood Clinic Closures (2025)

• Major Pro-Life Victories:
  • 44 Planned Parenthood clinics closed so far in 2025.
  • Many closures in blue states, defying claims that pro-life activism only affects red states.
  • Quote:

    "Every single one of these closures, folks, is a victory. It represents tireless pro-life activism that taken place in front of these Planned Parenthoods for years." (55:40)

• Highlight:
  • Houston's “mega-facility”—largest in western hemisphere outside China—closed.
  • Hawkins recalls the infamous undercover video project that caught staff discussing fetal tissue sales.
  • "Just look up the image for yourself if you want. For 15 years, pro-lifers have been praying in front of that sidewalk." (56:50)
• Next Steps:
  • Calls for full, 10-year federal defunding of Planned Parenthood.
  • Urges the Trump administration to debar Planned Parenthood from federal contracting.

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On FDA’s Actions:

  "We now have another mifepristone on the market that kills babies, but just cheaper." (06:15)

• On IVF's Ethical Problems:

  "IVF kills more babies than abortion. IVF commodifies children, and I'm giving you some very real cases on that." (36:40)

• On Prenatal Diagnosis & Abortion:

  "Women who terminated reported significantly more despair, avoidance and depression." (41:00)

• On Positive Momentum:

  "We are now at drumroll—44 Planned Parenthood closures this year." (55:10)

Listener Takeaways

• Stay informed about FDA, political, and legislative developments related to abortion and IVF.
• Pro-life advocates should educate themselves and others about the ethical controversies of IVF, not just abortion.
• Alternative, holistic, and ethical options exist for infertility—share these widely.
• When confronted by painful or tragic diagnoses in pregnancy, perinatal hospice offers compassionate alternatives to abortion.
• Celebrate and advocate for continued closure and defunding of Planned Parenthood facilities, but stay vigilant.

By blending urgent calls to action, policy critique, scientific claims, and emotional appeals, Kristan Hawkins positions this episode as a comprehensive guide to current challenges—and opportunities—in the pro-life movement as of late 2025.