The Kristan Hawkins Show

Episode 40: Virginia Chaos, IVF Kills, and a Freshman Rep Takes a Stand
Host: Kristan Hawkins
Guest: Rep. Jonathan Allman (NC House, District 73)
Date: October 31, 2025

Overview

This episode of The Kristan Hawkins Show is a deep dive into recent pro-life political victories and the current battlegrounds shaping abortion policy and reproductive technologies in America. Hawkins is joined by freshman North Carolina Representative Jonathan Allman to discuss local legislative wins, before turning to the unfolding chaos in Virginia’s state politics regarding abortion and gerrymandering. The episode concludes with Hawkins’ passionate critique of new assisted reproductive technologies (specifically IVG) and practical advice for listeners on discussing infertility and abortion with friends and fellow Christians.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Importance of State-Level Pro-Life Political Action

[00:00–08:12]

• Kristan Hawkins opens with the critical role state legislators like Rep. Allman play in advancing pro-life policies post-Roe.
• Rep. Jonathan Allman describes his unexpected journey into politics, motivated by personal experience during COVID, his children (including twin boys with special needs), and a sense of divine calling.

  “This was not on my bingo card at all to get involved, but really started to… God really made a way for me to get there.” (05:00)

• Emphasis on the tangible impact of grassroots political engagement—door knocking, volunteering, and mobilizing the pro-life base at the local level.

  “I knocked 500 to a thousand doors myself...And just having a conversation with somebody is totally different than just some piece of paper in your mailbox.” – Allman [08:59]

2. North Carolina Legislative Dynamics & Victory

[08:12–18:45]

• North Carolina House is one seat shy of a GOP supermajority, limiting their ability to override the pro-choice governor’s veto.

  “We're one seat away from a super majority in the House...in the Senate, we have it.” – Allman [08:14]

• Allman and fellow Rep. Brian recently succeeded in getting a bill (SB 378) to defund Planned Parenthood from state Medicaid dollars through the House.

  “They attempt to frame this as removing health care from women, but none of these establishments are in rural areas. There's no shortage of healthcare providers in those areas.” – Allman [14:27]

• The bill’s legislative journey is ongoing: “...the Senate has done a version of this themselves. So...leadership's going to get together and sort this out.” (18:12)
• Call to Action: Hawkins urges listeners to pressure NC’s governor not to veto this bill and to recognize that Federally Qualified Health Centers adequately provide women’s health without Planned Parenthood’s political baggage.

3. Virginia’s “Epic” Political Battle: Abortion and Gerrymandering

[21:35–33:25]

• Hawkins pivots to Virginia, a state she describes as “a cluster of epic proportions” and now ground zero for pro-life/pro-abortion legislative struggle.
  • Dems are working to enshrine abortion up to birth in the state constitution through a two-session ballot referendum process.
  • The 2025 legislative race—entire VA House and Senate up for grabs—is pivotal: if pro-lifers regain a chamber, they can block the proposed constitutional amendment.

  “If we lose next Tuesday night…and Democrats have retained control…the next step is they’ll vote to get a late term abortion on the ballot.” (29:36)

• Virginia Democrats are also pushing a gerrymandering amendment to overturn non-partisan redistricting, aiming to flip GOP House seats and influence Congress in 2026. Hawkins paints this maneuver as “sleazy” and explicitly tied to turnout generated by abortion-rights voters.

  “It's super sleazy, but that's what is going on.” (31:45)

• Call to Action: Virginians must mobilize to vote pro-life and understand that local state politics have national implications—both for abortion policy and Congressional control.

4. Exposing IVG: The Latest Assisted Reproductive Technology

[33:25–53:20]

• Hawkins breaks down IVG (In Vitro Gametogenesis), a new technology developed by OHSU, which can create gametes from non-sex cells, e.g., skin cells.
  • Allows for children created from same-sex couples’ genetic material and, in theory, even from three parents. Raises alarms about eugenics, designer babies, and human rights.
  • OHSU announced (Nature magazine, Sep 30, 2025) it created 32 human embryos using this method, none of which survived past blastocyst stage—all had chromosomal abnormalities, all were destroyed.

  “They created 82 innocent human beings...they were all killed at that point. And they're calling this progress.” (41:45)

• Hawkins strongly condemns both IVG and IVF on moral and pragmatic grounds.
  • IVF/IVG kill more embryos than abortion, create “designer babies,” and dehumanize children.
  • “Adults are not entitled to children. You are not entitled to have a biological child...the child is entitled to the parent that's sacrificing for him or her, not the other way around.” (48:59)
• She warns of unchecked ethical boundaries and the commodification of children, urges the pro-life movement and churches (especially Protestant/Evangelical) to address IVF and reproductive technologies.

5. Tips for Sensitive Conversations: Infertility, IVF, and Talking with Christians

[53:20–end]

• On Friends Facing Infertility:

  • Empathy first—Don’t lead with moral opposition to IVF.
  • Provide hope—“Most cases of infertility are treatable with conventional therapies like surgery or medication—85–90% per the NIH.” (54:10)
  • Recommend second opinions and resources like St. Paul VI Institute (Omaha) and factsaboutfertility.org.

• On Discussing Abortion with Pro-Choice Christians:

  • Don’t get caught in a “dueling Bible verses” war—especially for Catholics less experienced in scripture citation.
  • Focus on listening and understanding their reasons—often there is a personal abortion story or experience influencing their view.
  • Aim to “plant seeds” and ask thought-provoking questions rather than expecting immediate conversion.

  “Most of us didn't become outspokenly pro life or pro choice because we read a Bible verse. It's because something personal happened to us.” (1:03:30)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Pro-life Political Engagement:

  “For me, my children are the light of everything that I do. My boys have really inspired me into action.” – Jonathan Allman [04:19]

• On Flipping Legislative Seats:

  “All the mailers that came out against me in 24, she was the queen bee of Planned Parenthood, and that was the war drum that they banged on...but it just didn’t resonate.” – Allman [12:51]

• On IVG/IVF:

  “IVF kills more children than abortion every year...Adults are not entitled to children. You are not entitled to have a biological child!” – Kristan Hawkins [49:12–49:50]

• On the Virginia Ballot and National Impact:

  “Now, Tuesday's election...it's also going to determine whether or not Republicans can keep control of the US House of Representatives in November 2026...” – Hawkins [32:19]

Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00 – Introduction & Allman joins, story of activism
• 08:12 – North Carolina’s legislative battle, supermajority explained
• 13:47 – The Planned Parenthood defunding bill SB 378
• 18:45 – Call to action for NC pro-life listeners
• 21:35 – Virginia’s abortion and election chaos, Stealth gerrymandering
• 33:25 – The rise of IVG and critique of IVF
• 53:20 – Navigating tough conversations about IVF with friends
• 1:01:55 – Tips for talking to pro-choice Christians
• 1:07:30 – Closing remarks, calls for prayer/action

Conclusion & Calls to Action

• Get involved at the state level—volunteer, knock on doors, stay engaged between elections.
• For North Carolina: Contact the governor about the Medicaid/Planned Parenthood defunding bill.
• For Virginia: Mobilize for Election Day; control of the legislature directly affects abortion policy and Congressional seats.
• Educate others about the dangers of emerging reproductive technologies and share reliable resources on infertility.
• Approach sensitive conversations with empathy, truth, and strategic patience—change takes time.

Final Message:
“Please pray for Virginia and the election next week. Until next week, let’s keep speaking up for the voiceless.” – Kristan Hawkins [end]