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I see with brand new eyes no, I've never been so sure Take my head let's run into the unknown this is the beginning. You are listening to the Kristen Boss Podcast. I'm your host, Kristen Boss. As a best selling author and performance coach, I'm on a mission to share about sustainable and purposeful approaches to both business and life. Each week I bring relevant topics that I believe are necessary to create a life of purpose, significance and meaning. Entrepreneurship is about so much more than growing your bottom line. It's about who you are becoming in the process and building a life that is truly extraordinary. Entrepreneurship is really just the beginning. Hey friends, welcome back to another episode of the podcast. Glad to have you back for another week. This week I'm excited to talk about this particular topic and I think it's gonna be a good one no matter what you're working on, whether it's business, health goals, financial goals, maybe it's interrelationship, goals, communication, you name it. I think if you're listening to the podcast, some part of you is a growth oriented person and I love that and I think it's great. I also think there is a lot of growth drama I see people struggle with, especially when it comes to the personal development space. And I have a couple thoughts about that. We're actually going to talk about how to embrace the non linear part of any type of personal growth. And you might be like, yeah, I know it's not linear, but I'm like, do you or are you beating yourself up every time you have a perceived setback or things aren't going as quickly as you think they are? Or you're telling yourself like, oh, I can't believe I'm, I'm here again. Or why am I still dealing with this? This is without a doubt one of the biggest areas that come up for people that I'm consistently coaching on. And speaking of coaching, I'm so excited to be back in the coaching chair that's gonna be in our Sandara Life membership where you have access to weekly live coaching. We have a special going on and so if you join us by November 1st, we've got something real special for you. So you can click the link in the show notes. It's a membership you can join anytime, but why would you wait? And also you can cancel anytime we don't lock you in. We I know how these things are, but this was kind of the vision I had for how I really wanted to serve people in a broader sense. So let's talk about how to Embrace the nonlinear side of personal growth. All right, so here's the thing. I think the personal growth space is amazing when we use it responsibly. I actually think there are people, and I think this is quite common, who consume personal growth material and never seem to bring about real, measurable change in their life. And you, you might, and you might resonate with that. You might be like, yeah, that kind of feels like me. I'm just constantly consuming the material and it like feels good in the moment. I feel productive when I'm reading, but I still find myself defaulting to old habits, patterns, these things that I've told myself I was going to change and work on for the last decade. You know, here I am still working on this. And I think personal growth only serves us when we use it, when we actually implement and integrate what we're learning, meaning we're taking in something and applying it to our day to day, and we're willing to get uncomfortable and apply what we're learning. But I think so many people love the concept of consuming personal development because it makes us feel like we're doing something, but we're. But if you're not living your life differently, you're not really doing anything. Maybe you're just listening to it to feel good, be like, yes, I love personal growth. And this is what I like to joke with people. I'm like, do you? Do you? Because last I checked, personal growth is like so painful. I want to opt out of it most days. Like, that's how, that's how you know you're actually doing the work of personal growth is. It feels incredibly painful. It feels like you are discovering new parts of yourself that you didn't realize had been running the show. Having to visit hard and painful circumstances and be willing to look at it through a new lens. It's being willing to take radical responsibility in every area of your life. It's. I think personal growth is deciding to turn in your victim card forever. Think about that. It's literally deciding to hand over your victim card and say, no longer. I am now choosing to take radical responsibility in all areas of my life, even if it means that I have to own things I don't think are mine to own if it means I have to apologize for things, work through things, maybe change who I hang around with. Like, you don't, you don't get to carry the victim card and also say you're a personal growth, you know, enthusiast. You just don't. Because personal growth is you saying, like, clearly there's Some things for me to work on. But a victim mindset is like, I'm here because I am a product of what's happened to me. And every. Like, I'm waiting for life outside of me to change so that I can feel better. And I'm like, well, that is a really miserable way to live. Constantly waiting for your circumstances to change so you can feel good. Well, that's. To me, that's a very helpless way of living. That, that is. Why be in the passenger seat when you have this amazing thing called agency where you have free will, you have choice and you get to choose differently. I don't care how old you are listening to this podcast. I don't care if you're, you're 20 and you've got your whole life ahead of you or you are nearing retirement and you know, empty nesting like you still have the wonderful ability to write a new chapter in your life. And I think it was, I was just recently at an event and John Maxwell was there and he was talking with his dad and I guess his dad lived to be 98 and he said that his dad said to him they would meet a lot. I think his dad said to him at the age of 85 or something, he looked at John and said, oh, I still think my best years are ahead of me. 85, I mean, who thinks that? Who thinks my best years are still ahead of me? I'll tell you who thinks that somebody who is truly has a growth oriented mindset and believes as long as we are here on earth, as long as we have breath in our lungs, we have this amazing ability to choose growth. Why. So why do we shy from growth? Or what, what is the dark. I'm going to call it like the dark side or the shadow side of personal growth. I actually think we can delude ourself into thinking we're growing when we're really just consuming content. I think we can delude ourselves into think, yeah, I have self awareness. But here's what I'm gonna ask you. Is your awareness leading you to the next step? Is it leading you to do something about it? Because I think we can have awareness and be like, yeah, I know, I know I, I know I can be short tempered when you know things aren't going my way. I know I can be rigid in my thinking. I know I can sometimes be harsh with others or I know I struggle to have boundaries. I know I let people walk over me. Like we say these, yes, I know these things about myself. And then like that's the End of the conversation. I'm like, well, wait, but it doesn't have to stay that way. This isn't like in concrete. Although most of our habits and our identity is deeply formed. Oh, gosh. I know. Like, our identities and our stories and our. And our beliefs are roughly formed by the age of eight. But I think it's our habits and our way of viewing the world. I can't remember the age. I want to say it's in our early 20s, but that's not to say it is unchangeable and permanent as long you have this amazing thing in your brain called neuroplasticity, which means your brain is elastic. It can change, it can be rewired, no matter how old you are. And so thank God for that, because I would be if I still had the brain that was locked in my brain at 24, 25 years old. God help us all. God help us all. Now, does that person still show up from time to time? Yes, of course. Of course. But the dark side of personal growth is, I think, when we walk around with awareness and helplessness at the same time. Like, this is who I am. I know these things about myself, and I am helpless to change those things about myself again. Remember how I said real personal growth is deciding to turn in your victim card? It's just deciding to do that. And so when you, when you turn in your victim card, you're also saying, like, I will no longer be helpless to the life I was handed the cards I was handed. And I will, I will fully admit, like, we all have been handed a deck of cards, so to speak, of our life. And that is like the home you were born into. Your, you know, your economic status, your upbringing, where, like, the resources that were available to you. There's. And some of us didn't have the deck. The deck stacked. How do I want to put it? It wasn't as stacked against us as I think some people have. Some people, the deck is stacked against them. Does that excuse them from. Or does that be like, oh, they. Therefore, they can't change their life? In fact, I think people that overcome insurmountable odds are. Are extraordinary to me, and I have so much admiration from them that they had to overcome so much to get to where they are. And so we can't fight against the deck we were. We were handed, but we have, we have agency to decide, okay, these are the cards I was handed. What am I. What. What's the best hand I can play with? And how am I going to show up with what I was handed or I see other people that are so angry with the deck they've been handed and be like, this is my life because this is what I was handed. And therefore this is how it always has to be. Again, that's the victim card. Whereas you know, okay, how do I, how can I take responsibility? What can I change? Yes, this is the story I was born into. But what, what story do I want to create for myself? I don't have to stay in that story. I can create a new story. This is where, you know, we're changing generational trauma and generational cycles. And it takes brave hard work to do that. And it can be done. Is it easy? No. Is it painful? A thousand percent? Yes. Is it worth it? Absolutely. Absolutely. So the dark side of personal development is I think when we use either we use the concepts in the material to create a false sense of self awareness. Like, oh yeah, I'm doing my work, I'm aware. But then like it doesn't bleed into any area of our life to create positive change. We're what, we walk around with the awareness, but we still choose helplessness or we don't do anything to change it. That's dark side number one. Dark side number two is I believe, when we weaponize personal growth against ourselves. And that would look like um, but seeing yourself not as a human to be loved, but as a project to be fixed as, as a never ending self improvement project. Not from a place of like, I love myself enough to not let myself get caught up in these patterns that don't serve me, my goals, my family, my loved ones. Like that is, that is the compassionate way to, to approach personal growth. But then there I believe is the shame induced approach to personal growth of like, here's all the things I hate about myself, here's what I'm sick of and here's what I don't love about myself. And I believe if I fix all these things about myself, then I can believe I'm worthy of good things, worthy of love, worthy of even liking myself. And that is weaponizing personal growth against yourself. Because I will tell you, growth is always, growth is forever. There is no such thing as arriving. So if you tie your worthiness to a sense of arrival in your personal development journey, you are setting yourself up for always feeling like you can never measure up and like the personal growth will start to feel like the, the shame stick that you beat yourself with and being like, okay, cool, let me listen to this next podcast cuz I think I suck at relationships and I'm gonna listen to all the things I'm doing wrong and then I'm gonna try and fix these things about myself. Cool. Oh, and now. Now. Okay. I think I have a better sense of that. Okay, what's the next thing about myself that I wanna improve? That I don'. And. But this is where I hear people when they have like some. They're consuming all this content, right? And they're like, these are all the things I want to fix about myself versus these are the things because I love myself and want to honor myself in a way that serves myself and those around me to the best impact and best potential as possible. These are the things I want to work on versus I believe I'm so broken that this is the path to fix me before I even go further. Do you hear what I'm saying? Do you sense the nuance in this? That one is approaching from. From self compassion and love and grace and curiosity. And one is approaching this work from shame, unworthiness and lack. And I think the biggest one is shame. Because this is what I see people do. I see them, you know, embark on their personal growth journey, and I actually see them become more depressed with time. The more content they consumed, the more depressed they become and the more helpless they feel because they're not using it as a way to, you know, to feed themselves. They use it as a way to, like, here's the measuring stick that I'm always using against myself to never feel like I'm enough. And I'm always this project and I'm never arriving. If that is you, I'm inviting you right now to put down the shame stick and we are going to completely shift how you view personal growth, because this is not. Again, something about it tells me you have poor metrics or you have the wrong idea of what the role of personal growth is meant to do in our life. It's meant to sharpen us, bring a sense of awareness that we didn't have prior to go about and do these things and be like, okay, here's what I can do differently. And we're always growing. We never arrive. I think a lot of people, interpersonal growth, thinking, I'm gonna start this and then there's going to be this end goal to where I finally like the person I become instead of, this is a lifelong journey and I get to love the person I'm becoming every messy step of the way. Do you hear the difference between that? Because one person is making worthiness and love available to them immediately. Like, I'm Doing this because I love and care for myself, because I want to do these things versus the person that's like, once I fix all these things about myself, then I and believe I'm worthy. Do you see how we. The person that approaches personal growth from that place just causes a lot of pain, right? This is where I see people actually get depressed, or they think something is wrong with them, or they think I can never be fixed. I'm always the problem. And I see this happen for people. I see them spiral and they think something must be wrong with me. Absolutely nothing is wrong with you. You are a human being. You are a human who's trying to figure out this really complex thing called life. You're trying to undo and rewire a lifetime of stor that have been either handed to you or that you have been telling yourself that your brain has been taking your whole life and taking every single circumstance and instance and taking it through that filter of your belief system and saying, oh, well, this is. This is what that means. And this is. Here's evidence of why we believe these stories about ourselves and why it's true. And like, of course it's hard, of course it's painful. But you, I want to invite you into this really messy thing. This is why I'm saying, like, this has to be about embracing the nonlinear journey of personal growth. Because we have this idea that there is a start point and there is an end point. And how that looks is this constant upward trend. And to the right, upwards and to the right. Always and forever. Okay, first thing I want to acknowledge for you is I was talking to a client of mine and I just said, do you realize, like, in her mind, she's like, I'm either. I'm either failing or I'm succeeding. I'm like, that is awful because now you have like. I was like, that sounds like a really emotional, painfully emotional experience or reality to set yourself up in if you're either winning or losing. Like, there is no in between. I'm like, what about the season? What about integrating? What about learning? What about calibrating? What about resting? I was trying to, like, introduce all these, like, in between phases that are so necessary between, like, success and failure. And. And what's interesting is she view. She was viewing, like, failure as the antithesis of success instead of like, no, they are integrated things. Like, in order to have success, you have to fail. But she was like, no success. Like, I like, there's only success and I have to avoid failure at all costs. Instead of like, no, I'M gonna. I'm gonna integrate every failure on my path to success. That's really what it is. But anyway, she was. She was like, that was it. I'm either, like, I'm either performing and crushing, or I suck and I lose. And I'm like, wow, that's. That's no way to live. And she's like, yeah, I'm kind of seeing that. And so. But I actually, this is what I had to say. And that's what I want to say to you, too. The idea of a constant, linear journey of growth that is never ending defies natural law. And you'll be like, what? It defies natural law. I want you to look at nature. Show me in nature, where something is always and forever growing, and there is not a season of rest. Like, look. Look at. Look at flowers. I mean, I think I've shared this before. I grew up in California. I didn't really get to experience seasons. I was like, in the inland area, and it was hot, and we had summer, almost summer, not quite summer, and, like, you know, spring. Those were the seasons I got. So I never really got to experience, like, the watching. And I'm looking out my window right now. I'm seeing, like, all the colors and the leaves falling from trees. I didn't get to experience that in California. And then seeing, like, nothing and being like, oh, my gosh, everything is dead and dying, and it's really ugly. I will never forget my first spring. And I was, like, awestruck. Awestruck that, like, new life could, like, burst forth from something that looked dead. So I was just say, listen, show me where in nature something is just never stops growing. And I actually heard this statement. I think it was when I was away at a retreat. They said the only thing in nature that never stops growing, the only natural thing in nature that never stops growing is cancer. Think about that. And so we have this cancerous view of how we think growth should look, and we deny the parts of us that actually need healing, resting, reflecting, integrating all of those really, really important parts than just grow, grow, grow, grow, grow, grow, grow, grow. I mean, can you. I want you to think about that. But here's what. And. And you might be like, yeah, I know this. I'd be like, okay, but here's the thing. I can't tell you how many times I'm coaching somebody and they are mad at themselves when they're not in a growing season. And, like, and it's almost like they remember a growing season. They're like, oh, yeah, that Season was so good. And they're like, but I'm not growing anymore. And therefore it's backwards and something's gone terribly wrong. I'm like, or this is an integrating season, or this is a healing season season. Or I'm like, do you not think growth is available? Like, you're not going to enter into a new growing season, like after this ceiling of, after this season of rest and integration. And so I find that people get upset with themselves when. Let me give you an example. This is how you know you have, you don't have a healthy view of personal growth is when you feel shame and anger or a sense of worthlessness. When an old wound comes up again and you think to yourself, I've already dealt with that. Why am I dealing with this again? Because we tend to think of our wounds, our stories, the things that are painful as like, this. Fix it once, fix it and forget it. It's like, okay, fix it, stop bleeding, that's great. Move on. Like, wipe our hands of the lesson and we move on. We're like, thanks for that lesson. Moving on. What growth actually is, is there is this version of you. I'm gonna use me for an example. I'm 40 and so I can't tell. So the 40 year old version of me that processes a wound from my childhood is going to be processing it at a completely different layer because I have different life experience, I have new levels of wisdom, new levels of awareness. I've healed aspects of the story, but I get to look at it from a new lens in this new season of life. So every time you visit a pattern, a wound or something you were working on changing, you are not, you are not the same person revisiting that pattern. Now. However, however, I, I, I do feel like I need to nuance this. However, if you are constantly finding yourself back in the same situation and it's replaying itself over and over again, that, my friend, is a pattern that you have not yet broken in your life. And there's no sh, just time for you to evaluate. Like, evaluate and look at, hold on here. I'm finding that I am the common denominator with all of these, these stories. Like, I'm the common denominator here of why this keeps happening in my life. What in me do I need to work on so I stop repeating this pattern? There's the pattern, there's actually deciding I'm going to break the pattern. And then there is, when you decide to break the pattern, then you actually uncover the story. The story that you that you are carrying or a belief system that you are carrying that actually created all these ways you make decisions, your behaviors, how you show up in certain circumstances. So the pattern is kind of like, that's the symptom. You're like, here's the symptom. The root cause is the story. Okay? If you're only ever treating the symptom, you're forever going to be treating the symptom, and you're going to find yourself in those repeat patterns, wondering, why do I keep doing this? Well, because we haven't gotten to the root cause. The root cause is something we actually do return to over and over and over again. But we get to do it from a new level of awareness every time we revisit the story. Because as you go through your life, you'll come into a new circumstance, a new situation, and you will find it, like, it will kind of point back to the story that your life's work is to continue to heal and love about yourself. So when that thing comes up, you're gonna be like, oh, wait, hold on. This is kind of like bringing up my story again. And now you have the opportunity to be like, okay, from this new season and this version of me who's done this work, now I have the opportunity to address this story at a new layer. I always like to think of, like, Shrek, where Shrek's talking to Donkey and he's like, ogres are like layer, or ogres are like onions. They have layers. And I think our stories are onions as well. We have layers to our story. And every opportunity, like, every challenge or trial or like, circumstance gives us the opportunity to look at the layer and heal it. And we keep and, and eventually, like, I think we're always just going to be healing different layers. I also appreciate that Donkey's like, does it have to be onions? Like, no one likes onions. Couldn't it be a parfait? So however you want to view it like your story is a parfait or it's onions, I think there's a lot of layers. So I'm like, I'm going to say onions. So all that to say is if you are weaponizing your personal growth journey against yourself to the point where you are like, you're like, I shouldn't be here. Why am I still learning this lesson? I can't believe I'm still people pleasing. Okay, People pleasing is the symptom. And you can keep, like, trying to be like, ah, I'm gonna. I, I gotta keep people like, I, I, I know I need to set better boundaries. And there's your self awareness. Right. And I know this keeps coming up and then you see the patterns of it, and then finally you are like, okay, I want to understand the story that has me consistently running to the behavior of people pleasing. That is what I mean. And yes. And so somebody with a healthier view of personal development is like, hey, I know this about myself. I know I get lost in people pleasing. I'm really afraid to speak my truth or put in a boundary or tell someone how I feel or those things. I know that about myself. I also know, okay, so that's someone that's aware of, of, of their kind of how they default to certain things when they're feeling like, unsafe in the world or, you know, the story then is like, I know that comes from, you know, being in a home where it, like the home always felt chaotic or I had a parent that was, that was. Had really unpredictable moods. And I took it upon myself in order to feel safe in the world. I made it my job to be the peacemaker in the house. So I. That was how I felt safe. And that's. That is how I continue to feel safe. So that's somebody that's familiar with their story. So now let me, let me give you an example. So now they're in a, in a circumstance where they're noticing, they want to. People, please. They're noticing, like, suddenly they, they feel sick with the idea of putting in a boundary. And that is somebody that's like, okay, ooh, I'm seeing, I'm seeing like my pattern. I'm seeing like my, my default to want to do this. Okay, I know it comes from this story. What about myself do I need to remember in this moment to view this circumstance differently, to approach this circumstance differently versus the person that's not viewing person that is using personal development like a shame stick. The conversation they're having with themselves is, I can't believe I'm still people pleasing. Why can't I just not put in a boundary? What is with me? Why am I here again? Here I am again, people pleasing and not standing up for myself. It's like, well, oh, hold on, hold on. Like, why are we being so unkind to ourselves? Like, that's not. Again, that's somebody who had a linear idea of what they thought growth meant. So they're like, oh, that means, like, now that I figured that about. Now that I fixed that about myself, I'm always gonna be great at setting boundaries. No, probably. It's probably Gonna be your work for the rest of your life, but it's gonna become easier with time and practice. That's the thing is, that's why I tell people, like, with Hustle, for me, they're like, oh, have you, like, cured it? I was, like, cured it. I have had to make peace with knowing that how I am wired in the world. The easiest place for me to default to, to feel worthiness or if I feel fear or uncertainty is to hustle. My life's work will be to notice when that's happening and bring myself back to a place of groundedness and calm. It is not about me curing myself of hustle and never having the desire for it ever again. It's understanding that part of myself and being aware of it when it kicks in and bringing myself back to center. That is personal growth, friends. But we think personal growth is eradicating the problem. We think personal growth is like, I'm never gonna struggle with that again. I'm like, what? What? Where? Where were we promised that? And maybe. And I do think that is kind of how it's touted on social media. Like, fix these things about yourself. And. And it's like, I. I hate how. I don't know, I feel like the personal growth space has kind of been hijacked by, like, prosperity. Like, personal growth is prosperity, and prosperity is personal growth. Like, in the sense of. I'm gonna call it like, wealth. If it's like, you see these people where they're, like, getting out of their private jets and talking about personal growth, it's like, okay, that. That's not always the outcome. The outcome isn't. It's not about getting a private jet. It's about, like, who am I with my family? Who am I with my friends? What's my sense of fulfillment when I'm not working? Do I see myself as a human being instead of a human doing, like, that's the work, that's the reward, and it's way less sexy. It's. I mean, it's so much. It'd be easy for me to sell you, like, a personal growth program where I'm like, hey, listen. And you know what? I'll tell you, this shame sells. If I get you to believe you're broken and I can convince you that I'm going to fix you, then you're going to buy it. I'm never going to invite people into that narrative, because I think that's disgusting. I want to invite people into, like, hey, here's this amazing, complex thing called life. You are a human that is prone to operating in a certain way. And the greatest gift you can give yourself is bringing awareness to that and giving yourself the tools to use when your story comes up so that you can bring yourself back to center so that you can show up better in your life, whether that's in your work, your family, your relationships, your career goals and are there tangible goals to that thing? And yes, absolutely. But I refuse to buy into the shame narrative of like and, and this is, this is in the marketing space. Like, here's all the reasons why you're broken and I'm going to make you feel really bad about why you're broken and then I'm going to tell you why my methodology is the only thing that's going to fix you. And then I'm going to give you a massive sense of urgency and scarcity so that you have to buy from me because I've evoked so much fear from you. I hate that I won't do it, I'm not a part of it. But if you're like, I want to learn these tools, I want to understand myself better and I want to be in a non toxic growth journey with myself where I'm not using it as a shame stick to beat myself up with. If I want to approach my life in layers and have radically honest conversations with myself that I've never done before, then yeah, come and come and see what we're about over at this thing we built. It's called Sandara. Right. But it's, I just want to invite you into having a more compassionate conversation with yourself. When it comes to personal growth and understanding, it is not linear. Sometimes it is 10 steps forwards and 11 steps back. And I will tell you right now, like I am walking and living this out myself. Like I'm not here being like, hey, you know, what is it? Do as I say, not as I do. It's like, no, no, I'm walking this path myself. I'm, by every metric, if I was to only measure success and progress with data sheets from my business or spreadsheets that tell me like profits and losses and earnings and new customers and all those things, like I, all I would be creating is misery for myself. But I have learned one of the greatest gifts I've learned in the last year is to find metrics that go beyond like fulfillment metrics and happiness metrics that go beyond something on a spreadsheet about what my business is doing. And so when I look at like my husband and I, we, we were away last weekend and we did this marriage survey and we scored it and it was just like we bought. I cried. I was like, out of all the things I could have scored in my life, the fact that my marriage is, is up there. Is this a. Feels like a miracle, feels like the greatest gift of my life. And man, that's fulfillment. And I'm not sure I would have been able to see that, touch that, or feel that, or understand that at this level. Had everything not broken a year ago had I not burned it all down. Now am I telling you, hey, you have to burn it all down in order to shape your view of fulfillment? No, that's part of my story. And if I can prevent you from burning it down, I will. But some things, some things we do need to burn down. But I think the biggest thing I burned down was my idea of. I. I think I was unknowingly in a mindset of linear trajectory to where when it didn't look linear, my sense of self started to crumble in a non winning season. And so now I'm like, I have a great sense of self because I'm like, hey, I'm not in a winning season, but here I'm showing up. I like these conversations. I love serving people and, and I have fulfillment. And I think that, I think there's something really beautiful about when we opt out of the dark side of personal development. That is, is the fix. It always onwards and upwards. You know, there's a, there's a destination. No, friends, the journey is the destination is the journey. That's what it is. It is a constant becoming process. It is evolutionary. It is not linear. It is evolutionary. We are constantly evolving forever and ever. It is a circle. It is not a line. I think, I think I saw, it was like a spiral going upwards. And that, that feels true. And so I just want to offer you a different way of approaching your personal growth that's filled with compassion, filled with a kinder lens of your humanity. And if you're tired of symptomatically trying to treat your life, then I would invite you into Sandara and what we offer because we actually do go to the root cause. That's why I changed my business. I was like, I want to get to the root cause of why people are defaulting to patterns they know aren't serving them. I actually want to give them tools. I want to help them. And so, friends, I hope this episode was of value to you. 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