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I want to talk to you about something right now. I had this internal conflict the other day, so I had a little time off and I was praying. I was saying, lord, what do I do? I mean, honestly, I prefer. My main calling is this. There's so much in the word of God. Remember the apostle Paul preach the word, he told Timothy. So I really. I feel guilty. I feel like I should just focus on preaching the Bible. But then what do people come to me for? It's a good question. For your destiny, by the way. What do people come to you for? Because what people come to you for is what you're really gifted to do. People come to me for clarity. They come to me for direction. They come for advice. And typically about what's going on in the world. What do you think about this? What do you think about that? What about Trump with this? What about this? And so I realized I deliver prophetic commentary on what's going on in the world. I teach the Bible and I deliver prophetic commentary. But then I start getting involved with something else, which is this whole level 10 living. And I felt kind of conflicted. I'm just telling you a little insight baseball here. I would say maybe I'm going to change my programs. I'm just going to do Bible teaching, or I'll just do commentary on current events. Then testimonies come in. We get people, we have healings that happen. And my staff comes in, they go, why aren't you sharing and talking about what's happening? People's lives are being changed now. It's not. It's in prayer. Yes, it's in the supernatural, but it's also in, like, the work we do, like, with the level 10 matrix. So I said, well, give me some more stories. So I'm getting stories all the time. So today there's a lady who needed seven surgeries in her spine, her shoulders, her hips, her wrists, her knee. She had a bone on bone, collapsing spine, a C5 and C7 with carpal tunnel in both wrists. Her bone density was so poor, she broke ribs from coughing twice. And she had a miraculous turnaround with the stem cells with level 10 matrix. And I said, I've got to find these people. I want to put. I want to see them. Not that I doubt it. Trust me, I'm seeing this stuff happen. But I'm like you. I'm thinking, I don't want to just tell people this. I want to see it. And into my studio, who shows up? The woman who. This is her testimony. Chelsea, our producer, helped Arrange it, Chelsea. Thanks. She's such a believer in this that Chelsea herself was. We're all products of the product, by the way. We all do level 10 matrix. So I'm saying. All right, I've got to have Kat Rohwalt on the show. Kat, thanks for being with us.
B
Oh, it's an honor. Thank you.
A
Now, did I exaggerate or was that your condition?
B
I was a mess. Yes, you laid it out pretty good. I needed complete knee replacement because I was bone on bone. My spine was collapsing because of a combination between the bad bone density you mentioned as well as I was post breast cancer. And they did radiation. The radiation with the bad bone density is what was destroying my neck and spine. And those two things messed up my right hip. And they were. And I was walking just so atrociously. They were going to have to do surgery there. We already knew both shoulders because of torn rotator cuffs needed surgery. And carpal tunnel, both wrists. That's seven surgeries, none of which could be done with another one to speed things up. So I literally was looking at back to back surgeries for two and a half to three years. And it was my pastor who spoke up and said, do you know about this? And I didn't, because he didn't like the day that I showed up for a Sunday service walking in with a cane. He announced to everybody that Kat did not look good walking with a cane. And then after church, he shared this with me and said, hey, you've got to hear about it. And I am so thankful because literally within a couple of weeks, I ended up receiving the therapy. And the other part was the pain factor, when you have all of that kind of stuff going on. My pain was continuously at an 8 to 10 level, and they were doing spinal injections. I'd had seven. Five in my neck, two in my lower back. None the better. Scheduled for another one. And literally within two weeks after receiving the therapy, I was out of pain for the first time in probably three to four years. And that was just phenomenal. And the cool thing is I never had to have any of those seven surgeries.
A
What happened with your knees?
B
I guess I regrew cartilage.
A
Get out. Yeah.
B
And I don't even remember all the stuff from biology about your spine and vertebrae and disc and all that, but it all must have regenerated. So that key word is regeneration, and it is absolutely phenomenal. All I wanted was out of pain. I'd do the surgeries. I do all of the other, but I never had to. And Then on top of that, have two additional documented medical miracles. Between that horrible bone density, which is now normal, and then my ho colon was eaten up with diverticulum.
A
Wait, wait. All right, I'm a little bit add. So the first thought I had. I want to go on. Okay, tell me about coughing and breaking your ribs. What the heck is that?
B
Yeah, and see, that was. So that was prior to the later things. But the best I can figure is because my bone density, they had me, gosh, for about 30 years, they had me on every experimental drug they were coming out with, trying to harden my bones because they were so bad. I never asked what the number was. Didn't know there was a number to ask for. I just knew they were really bad. And so, sure enough, twice, from coughing, I broke ribs and. Oh, that hurts terribly.
A
Folks, we're talking. You see, the reason why my conundrum is I have to do shows that are dedicated to this. And that's what I was saying. I was saying, you know, maybe we just give some testimonies. But my team is telling me, when you're having results like this, when people are getting this kind of breakthrough, what do I care about? I care. My demographic. Let's face it, most of my people are my age, are old. You attract to yourself what you are. So I've got people that are really into wanting to do what God called them to do, and they want to live the maximum life they can. I got an interesting tribe out there, and I really love being with them. But, you know, the number one thing we get is the prayer calls. Annabelle.
B
Yeah.
A
Annabelle today had to have some cataract surgery. Now, it's interesting. We both got the cells yesterday. In her case, every time she gets stem cells, it accelerates the recovery of something she's got to do. And you get, you know, you're the testimony I love to get, which is you didn't have to do, you know, the seven surgeries. Her case, she gets accelerated results from every physical thing she does. So I'm committed to getting these testimonies out. And, you know, Kat, I'm excited that you're in the studio today because people can see this is real. And so, Chelsea, you have been a champion on level 10 matrix and keeping this front of mind for our audience. Where do they go to get more information? This is about the breakthroughs of stem cell technology. I want you to know stem cells is the thing I've been hunting down for years, and that's why this is front burner for me. But where do they go to find out more.
C
Absolutely. They can go to level10matrix.com we have an FAQ video available there. We also have a free info kit that, that you can download and learn so many wonderful things about this wonderful regenerative therapy. We also have a phone number in case you like to do that old school. Actually call and talk to someone. That's 800. I gotta read the screen here. 800-361-2270. And if you're watching on Facebook or Instagram, just drop the word matrix into the comments. M A T R I X and Lance will DM the link and the phone number to you right now. So it's in your inbox and you can go to it as soon as we're finished with the show. But if it's okay, I'd like to have Kat, you know, I got to talk to Kat. I got to talk to you on the phone briefly before. And I'd love for you to. And you can look at Lance when you do this, but I'd love for you to share how this impacted your walk with God. I loved the story you were telling me about what Lance taught you about Matrix and the stem cells. Remember we were talking about that?
B
Yes.
C
Okay. I'd love for you to share that. She has an amazing story about how this really impacted.
A
I mean, I mean, I'm always interested in knowing the theological part of this thing. I mean, my background is. I got my master's work in conjunction with Oral Roberts University. And he was very controversial back then. He was head of most my generation because he said he believed that God was raising up the Christian community to be able to partner with him, to go to the top of all. And then he had these praying hands and God's hand was coming on the hand of man so that man could come up with discoveries and things that would bless mankind. Really bothered the Pentecostals. They didn't wanna have man's hand with God's hand. But I understood what it meant that God wants to do something, but he has to have a human agency to do it through. And we become the agency that cooperates with him. So tell me about your spiritual ahas with this experience because I remember a lot of folks that I've talked to that are believers in healing. They were struggling with how this became the vehicle God used for them to get what they were looking for.
B
Well, you know, after I call it the miraculous turnaround in my life and I would begin sharing this with other people, they would say, well, but you're a Christian, aren't you supposed to just pray and believe God, he's going to heal you? And I said, well, yes, but did you ever happen to peruse through the New Testament and they would say, look at me kind of strange. And I'd go, well, then you'll remember, you know, there was that woman who had to crawl and reach out to touch the he Jesus garment. And then another time, Jesus spit in some mud, made mud pies and put on someone's eyes and oh, my, that gentleman that had four really strong guys that could rip a roof off and lower him down in front. I don't think I have four friends that would do that, but I have access to level 10 matrix. And it did the miraculous for me. To me, they're straight from heaven, straight from the breath of God and come fully loaded to regenerate, recreate within me what's needed. And I've seen it in countless, countless other people, and it's amazing.
A
It's a mental thing. When I think of how the fitness crowd in my generation, be honest with you, my wife Chelsea, my children, they all want to know what they're eating. They eat clean, they. They check about. My son Lance wants to know what oils are being used. I never had that training, but when I'm with them, I never bother to say, well, aren't you a Christian? Because they're eating healthy and they're living healthy. And like, you know, they're getting mold out, molds in the house. Mold is a problem. And sudden my wife is on the mold bandwagon, making sure the air is clear. You know, man, she's helped me live long and be strong. The truth of the matter is, I think sometimes Pentecostals make an adversary out of things where God's trying to help them, he's trying to bless them. And so I'm glad I don't walk. I have a car. It's not a problem for my faith to trust Edison for the light bulb, because God gave Edison the insight for the light bulb. And I'm telling you something. When I heard about the life is in the blood, and Dr. Arcy and Bobby and these guys were talking to me about that and Shirley and they were saying, hey, the umbilical cord is. Is where the stem cells are coming from that they're working with, from a mom who is healthy, unvaccinated mom, umbilical cord. And just think, those stem cells are virtually coming almost right out of the presence of God, boom, into a new life coming out of the womb. And those cells are designed at that moment to multiply like a universe of power. And you're tapping into that because at your age, right now, your stem cell production is going. That's why you look. Your looking like you're checking out. Wouldn't be that way. As if there's a principle of deterioration in our body. Regeneration is when something comes back into your body from the building block substance that God created in the universe to give you a new lease on life. And that's why these testimonies come in all the time and I have to put them on the show.
B
Yeah, it's amazing, absolutely amazing what we are seeing today.
A
You see, I mean, you see this a lot and so does Bobby. You guys are constantly. I'm always asking, give me another one. I mean, it's like these are daily calls. Which is why my staff says, how could you not do this, Lance? How could you not keep people informed? Because I feel like, well, I don't want to appear. Like I'm just. I'm just, you know, I want to stay faithful to my revelator gift. But this is like the Lord gave me this verse today. Acts 5:20. Angel said to Peter and John when they were let out of like, jail, there go the apostles, go and speak all the words of this life in the temple. And I thought about it, all the words of this life. Not just how to get to heaven, not just how to beat stress, but God has wisdom for all of life. And a religious spirit wants to confine God to one little Sunday compartment getting you to heaven. Well, this is why our government gets messed up. Watch where our economy gets messed up. Because Christians don't unpack all the counsel of God for all of life. This is an answer for somebody's physical problem. If you're tormented, pain in pain, you're worried about what the medical solution is. You're petrified of the surgical future you're facing in the name of Jesus. Call 800-361-2270 and talk to someone, pray with them, ask them what works. Level 10matrix.com is what we're making available now. Chelsea, you had your finger up. What do you want to tell me?
C
Well, if you want, we have a video testimony we could play of Amber of Chris's wife. We could show another testimony real quick if you want.
A
Amber who Chris's wife. And Chris is.
C
Chris is on our team. We've had his testimony play on the show before. And Amber, we recorded a testimony from her. She was able to get matrix and it completely transformed her life was this recently or.
A
Mm, yeah, this is news to me. All right, now listen. These are people I know. I could put them in the studio. This is like verifiable. Watch this.
D
Hi, I'm Amber. And a few years ago I was really struggling with my health. I was in and out of the hospital several times a year. I was having surgeries, I was having multiple appointments. It was very scary and I did not know what was going on. And I decided I was going to use level 10 matrix. After using level 10 matrix, I no longer required those surgeries. I no longer needed those grueling doctor visits at the hospital. I was just able to do routine good old conversations about my health and the progress that I was expecting through this great opportunity called life. I was able to get back into the garden. I was able to lift my soil bags, get grounded. I had energy. It is the best thing I have ever done. I highly recommend level 10 matrix.
A
I love it. That's Chris's wife. That's level 10 matrix, folks. Levelwithetmatrix.com 800-361-2270 Cat, where do you live?
B
You live out in West Texas. San Angelo.
A
You're out in West Texas and you came out and visited. I'd like to interview you one more time if we can. I'm gonna wrap this one up because I got a lot more questions I wanna ask and I don't wanna wear my audience out, but I'm kind of enthusiastic about this. Cause you're another one of those. Bone on bone collapsing spine, carpal tunnel in both wrists, ribs breaking. And seven surgeries needed. Spine, shoulders, hips. And this stem cell technology through level 10 matrix, I believe rebuilt it. Rebuilt it. Regenerated, Absolutely. And so I'm really working on this folks, because I think what I'm going to focus on this next season is the regenerated spirit. That's where the holy ghost comes in. The regenerated soul, which is where the word of God and truth renewing the mind comes in. And the regenerated body. This is one component. This isn't everything but man. This is a component that can but boom. Put a veto on what's destroying your life right now. And we're going to dig deeper into other components that go into the regenerated body. Because you got. God wants you to last longer and be stronger because your race isn't over yet. I'm prophesying that to you. Go to level10matrix.com. Don't let anything distract you right now. Go, go, go. This is the biggest priority you've got, and I'll see you again tomorrow. And, Kat, I'm going to hold you over for one more show.
B
Sounds good.
A
All right, we'll see you guys later. Bye. Bye. Did you enjoy this latest episode? Please remember to share it with your friends because the more knowledge you have, the better equipped you are to navigate the world.
Episode: 7 Surgeries Cancelled – This One Thing Can Change Your Life
Air Date: March 29, 2026
Host: Dr. Lance Wallnau
Guests: Kat Rohwalt, Chelsea (Producer), Amber (Video Testimony)
In this episode, Dr. Lance Wallnau explores the intersection of faith, physical health, and new medical breakthroughs, focusing on the real-life testimonies of dramatic health transformations through regenerative stem cell therapy, specifically the “Level 10 Matrix.” The central story: Kat Rohwalt’s miraculous avoidance of seven major surgeries, supported by additional testimonials and a discussion on how faith and medical innovation can cooperate for total life transformation.
“People come to me for clarity. They come to me for direction. They come for advice...I deliver prophetic commentary on what's going on in the world. I teach the Bible and I deliver prophetic commentary. But then I start getting involved with something else, which is this whole level 10 living.” —Lance Wallnau [00:42]
Detailed health struggles: Spine, shoulders, hips, wrists, knee—Kat was scheduled for seven surgeries due to extreme bone degeneration (from post-cancer radiation and poor bone density), torn rotator cuffs, and carpal tunnel.
Immediate pain relief: After two weeks on Level 10 Matrix stem cell therapy, she experienced profound pain relief for the first time in years.
Regeneration and recovery: Kat’s knees “regrew cartilage”; bone density normalized; spinal issues reversed.
Medical documentation: Kat had additional medically documented miracles, including complete recovery from severe diverticulosis.
“Literally within two weeks after receiving the therapy, I was out of pain for the first time in probably three to four years… The cool thing is I never had to have any of those seven surgeries.” —Kat Rohwalt [03:57]
“I guess I regrew cartilage…Key word is regeneration, and it is absolutely phenomenal.” —Kat Rohwalt [04:38]
Theological reflection: Lance discusses how Christian tradition sometimes resists partnering with medical innovation, yet points to biblical examples of healing as a cooperative endeavor.
“God wants to do something, but he has to have a human agency to do it through. And we become the agency that cooperates with him.” —Lance Wallnau [08:29]
Kat’s perspective: As a believer, she frames Level 10 Matrix as “straight from heaven,” equating its regenerative power to biblical miracles.
“I have access to level 10 matrix. And it did the miraculous for me. To me, they're straight from heaven, straight from the breath of God and come fully loaded to regenerate, recreate within me what's needed.” —Kat Rohwalt [09:38]
Common objections: Kat addresses well-meaning Christians who question why she didn’t just “wait for God” to heal:
“Did you ever happen to peruse through the New Testament?...there was that woman who had to crawl and reach out to touch Jesus’ garment…another time Jesus spit in some mud…” —Kat Rohwalt [09:35]
Annabelle’s testimony: Lance’s wife experienced faster recoveries from medical procedures after stem cell therapy.
“Every time she gets stem cells, it accelerates the recovery of something she’s got to do.” —Lance Wallnau [06:34]
Amber’s video testimony (presented at [14:45]):
“After using level 10 matrix, I no longer required those surgeries. I no longer needed those grueling doctor visits at the hospital...I was able to get back into the garden...It is the best thing I have ever done.” —Amber [14:45]
Lance’s vision: Connects spirit, soul, and body regeneration—emphasizing the completeness of God’s healing and restoration for believer’s lives.
“I think what I'm going to focus on this next season is the regenerated spirit, the regenerated soul...and the regenerated body. This is one component…God wants you to last longer and be stronger because your race isn't over yet. I'm prophesying that to you.” —Lance Wallnau [16:30]
Biblical grounding: Lance references Acts 5:20—“Go and speak all the words of this life...Not just how to get to heaven…God has wisdom for all of life.”
[12:54]
Stem cells as God’s provision: Describes stem cells as coming “almost right out of the presence of God” because of their origins in umbilical cords, calling them “the building block substance that God created in the universe to give you a new lease on life.”
[11:45]
Tone & Language:
Throughout, the tone remains warm, faith-filled, and conversational, blending testimonies of healing breakthroughs with practical, theologically grounded encouragement—inviting listeners to see God’s hand at work in both the spiritual and physical dimensions of life.