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The Land & Climate Podcast
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The editorial team from The Land and Climate Review interview thinkers and policymakers in the world of economics, land-use and climate policy. Find more on our site at www.landclimate.org
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Can ocean technologies combat climate change?
3d ago00:31:23Tap to summarizeMost net zero policies and major scientific models rely on carbon dioxide removal (CDR) to limit global heating to 2℃. The most commonly known methods include afforestation, bioenergy with carbon capture, and direct air capture - but various proposals are emerging for ocean-based CDR technologies. Could marine CDR offset emissions from sectors that cannot easily decarbonise, or are the costs and risks too great? Bertie sat down with oceanographer David Ho to discuss these questions, shortly after he returned from the 4th International Conference on Carbon Dioxide Removal in Milan. David Ho is a professor at University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa, and a lead author on the upcoming IPCC methodology report on carbon dioxide removal and carbon capture, utilisation and storage. His 2023 article for Nature criticising overreliance on CDR has been downloaded more than 100,000 times.Further reading: 'Three challenges to marine carbon dioxide removal', npj Ocean Sustainability, November 2025Principles for responsible and effective marine carbon dioxide removal development and governance, 2025'Marine carbon dioxide removal may be a future climate solution', Dialogues on Climate Change, November 2024'Can coastal and marine carbon dioxide removal help to close the emissions gap? Scientific, legal, economic, and governance considerations', Elementa: Science of the Anthropocene, August 2024'Deployment expectations of multi-gigatonne scale carbon removal could have adverse impacts on Asia’s energy-water-land nexus', Nature Communications, July 2024'Carbon dioxide removal is not a current climate solution — we need to change the narrative', Nature, April 2023Send us Fan MailFind all our latest investigations, features and interviews at www.landclimate.org
Transcribe →Was Chinese history shaped by climateflation?
2w ago00:26:10Tap to summarizeThe 17th Century Little Ice Age wreaked havoc on weather systems and economies around the world. In China, extreme cold and intense droughts led to soaring grain prices, and as food security collapsed, so did the centuries old political regime of the Ming dynasty.Alasdair speaks to Tim Brook about his groundbreaking book ‘The Price of Collapse: The Little Ice Age and the Fall of Ming China’. They discuss the importance of climate changes in the rise and fall of empires, and the lessons that can be learned from climate-induced famines in dynastic China. Dr Book is a Canadian historian and an Emeritus Professor at the University of British Columbia (UBC). He held the Republic of China Chair at UBC’s Centre for Chinese Research until his retirement in 2022. Further reading:‘What is climate-flation?’, Land and Climate Review, March 2026The Price of Collapse: The Little Ice Age and the Fall of Ming China by Timothy Brook, 2023The Frigid Golden Age: Climate Change, the Little Ice Age, and the Dutch Republic, 1560–1720 by Dagomar Degroot, 2018‘Climate change and society in the 15th to 18th centuries’, WIREs Climate Change, March 2018‘Nine sloughs: profiling the climate history of the Yuan and Ming Dynasties, 1260-1644’, Journal of Chinese History, November 2016 The Troubled Empire: China in the Yuan and Ming Dynasties by Timothy Brook, 2013Send us Fan MailFind all our latest investigations, features and interviews at www.landclimate.org
Transcribe →What is the history of extinction?
May 2900:37:06Tap to summarizeScientists warn we are in an age of mass-extinction. Entire species are ceasing to exist at unprecedented rates. When did this age begin, and when did humans start to confront their impacts on ecosystems and living populations? Sadiah Qureshi explores extinction as ‘unnatural’ and inherently political, by placing humanity at the centre of her latest book, 'Vanished: an Unnatural History of Extinction'. In conversation with Bertie, she traces the history of the concept of extinction in European thought and its connection with settler-colonial politics. Bertie and Sadiah also discuss present day conservation policy, and echoes of imperialist thought within it. Sadiah Qureshi is a Chair of Modern British History at the University of Manchester, and a historian of science, race and empire. Further reading‘Vanished: An Unnatural History Of Extinction,’ is available to purchase from Penguin here.This week, Professor Qureshi delivered the annual Wilkins-Bernal-Medawar Prize Lecture for the Royal Society. You can watch that here.'What can histories of Empire teach us about modern environmental efforts?', The British Academy, December 2025'Reversing extinction', aeon '‘A billionaire will pay a lot of money to shoot a recreated being’: historian Sadiah Qureshi on extinction and empire', The Guardian, June 2025Send us Fan MailFind all our latest investigations, features and interviews at www.landclimate.org
Transcribe →Has the plastics industry co-opted the circular economy?
May 1500:34:24Tap to summarizeLast year, multilateral negotiations for a Global Plastics Treaty broke down after countries failed to agree to limits on plastic production - as opposed to simply regulating plastic waste. This distinction between 'upstream' and 'downstream' measures to tackle plastic pollution is a point of contention between industry and campaigners, with the plastic lobby favouring recycling advocacy over efforts to curb plastic production. Alasdair discusses this issue with Dr Rob Ralston, who researches the different stakeholders within the industry lobby, and the ways in which this bloc has co-opted formerly radical policy frameworks, such as the idea of 'circular economy', to delay major policy interventions. Rob Ralston is a lecturer in Public Policy at the University of Edinburgh, and an expert in global health and environmental politics.Further reading: Click here for our other podcasts and articles on plastic pollution on Land and Climate Review. 'Ultra-processed foods are a key driver of the global plastics pollution crisis', Nature Food, April 2026'The battle for plastic hegemony: the petrochemical historical bloc and the UN Global Plastics Treaty', Review of International Political Economy, March 2026Plastics, Profits and Power: How petrochemical companies are derailing the Global Plastics Treaty, Greenpeace, 2024The Fraud of Plastic Recycling, Center for Climate Integrity, 2024'Future-Proofing Capitalism: The Paradox of the Circular Economy for Plastics', Global Environmental Politics, April 2021Send us Fan MailFind all our latest investigations, features and interviews at www.landclimate.org
Transcribe →Is the idea of 'energy transition' misleading?
May 100:38:48Tap to summarizeWhat happens after a country's electricity infrastructure is destroyed by war? Following the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, Turkish conglomerate Karadeniz Holding had an innovative idea: if ships could be retrofitted as floating power plants, they could be quickly deployed to countries in crisis, then moved elsewhere again when needed. Gökçe Günel returns to the Land and Climate Podcast to discuss her latest book, which uses the history of ‘powerships’ and their operations in Ghana to analyse the unexpected ways that geopolitics, business and conflict shape energy systems, and to question the concept of a linear energy transition. Gökçe Günel is Associate Professor in Anthropology at Rice University. Her 2019 book “Spaceship in the Desert: Energy, Climate Change and Urban Design in Abu Dhabi” explored Masdar City project - discussed in our previous episode here. Her new book, “Floating Power: Energy, Infrastructure, and South-South Relations,” published by Duke University Press, is available to purchase here. Further reading: ‘Energy accumulates: Ghana shows that the “energy transition” is more myth than fact’, Land & Climate Review, 2026 ‘Cin Fikir: Infrastructure, War and Progress’, Against Catastrophe, 2025 ‘Leapfrogging to Solar’, South Atlantic Quarterly, 2021 ‘Energy Accumulation’, e-flux Architecture, 2020, Spaceship in the Desert: Energy, Climate Change, and Urban Design in Abu Dhabi, 2019 Send us Fan MailFind all our latest investigations, features and interviews at www.landclimate.org
Transcribe →How do trade unions influence climate policy?
Apr 1700:35:48Tap to summarizeThe labour movement has contributed to climate and environmental policy for decades, and developed the concept of a ‘just transition’. Despite this, the relationship between unions and climate policymakers can be strained, with concerns from both parties about how the other will approach job losses from phasing out fossil fuels. How has trade union policy on decarbonisation developed over the decades, and what are union leaders’ perspectives on more radical academic arguments, such as the need to structure economic policy around other metrics than GDP? With particular focus on Germany and the UK, Bertie talks to Vera Trappmann about union engagement with green policymaking, what a just transition means for workers, and how this varies between Global North and South. Vera Trappmann is Professor of Comparative Employment Relations at Leeds University, where she co-leads the Priestley Centre for Climate Futures. Her work focuses on climate change’s impact on workers, as well as union movement perspectives and policies on climate issues. Further reading: 'Perspectives on Social and Justice Issues in Climate Policy – Comparing the Just Transitions, Sustainable Welfare and Eco-Social Policy Literatures', Milena Büchs, Vera Trappmann, Gina Moran, Max Koch, WIREs Climate Change, 2026'Trades unions, climate policy and just transition in the UK', Vera Trappmann, Jo Cutter, Ursula Balderson, 2026'German Trade Unions and Decarbonisation: A Transition to Green Growth, A‐Growth or Degrowth?' Vera Trappmann, Dennis Eversberg, Felix Schulz, Industrial Relations Journal, 2025What workers want: Conditions for a fair and just transition in the UK, Vera Trappmann, Jo Cutter, and Alice Garvey, 2025'Conjunctures of eco-social partnership unionism: The German Trade Union Confederation’s climate policies over three decades', Vera Trappmann, Dennis Eversberg, Felix Schulz, Industrielle Beziehungen, 2024Send us Fan MailFind all our latest investigations, features and interviews at www.landclimate.org
Transcribe →Growing pains: how will the fertiliser crisis affect food supply?
Apr 100:21:39Tap to summarizeFor the second time in five years, conflict has seriously destablised global markets. The effective closure of the Strait of Hormuz due to US and Israeli attacks on Iran has limited trade, causing skyrocketing prices - but not only for oil. Most fertiliser production relies on liquefied natural gas (LNG). Gulf nations including Qatar and Saudi Arabia are major fertiliser producers, and one third of the world's seaborne fertiliser trade usually passes through the Strait, which is currently unavailable. Other fertiliser producing nations are reducing production due to limited gas supply. Are food shortages inevitable? Alasdair is joined by Noah Gordon to discuss the international and environmental politics of fertilisers. They discuss fertiliser production, its uses and misuses, its role in global inequality and whether gas dependency can be avoided. Noah Gordon is the acting Co-Director of the Sustainability, Climate and Geopolitics Programme at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, D.C. Further reading: 'The Other Global Crisis Stemming From the Strait of Hormuz’s Blockage', Emissary, March 2026'A Trump Order Protected a Weedkiller. And Also a Weapon of War.' New York Times, March 2026How to Feed the World by Vaclav Smil, 2025'How a few giant companies came to dominate global food', Land and Climate Review, May 2025'Why was organic policy blamed for Sri Lanka’s financial crisis?' Land and Climate Review, June 2024'Fertiliser emissions could be cut to ‘one-fifth of current levels’ by 2050', Carbon Brief, February 2023The Alchemy of Air by Thomas Hager, 2009Titans of Industrial Agriculture by Jennifer Clapp, 2025Send us Fan MailFind all our latest investigations, features and interviews at www.landclimate.org
Transcribe →Is Big Tech telling the truth about AI's climate impact?
Mar 2000:34:17Tap to summarizeWith the recent 'AI Boom', the energy demand of computing has risen dramatically. As generative artificial intelligence (AI) chatbots such as Chat GPT, Claude, Copilot and Grok become more mainstream, tech companies are racing to build and power new data centres - the physical 'computer factories' that store and process our information and online services. This new infrastructure is significantly increasing greenhouse gas emissions - but tech companies argue that the climate innovations and efficiency improvements catalysed by AI tools will offset negative impacts. Could such claims prove true, or are they greenwashed PR? Alasdair puts this question to writer and energy analyst Ketan Joshi, who recently authored a report on AI's climate impacts alongside several leading nonprofits. Further reading:Read more from Ketan on climate and AI on his blog, here. 'Does Generative AI “Work”? That’s a Misleading Question.', Ketan Joshi, The New Republic, March 2026The AI Climate Hoax: Behind the Curtain of How Big Tech Greenwashes Impacts, Ketan Joshi, February 2026'Crypto and AI exploit conflict zones and fossil fuels – with destructive consequences', Hito Steyerl, Gago Gagoshidze and Miloš Trakilović, Land and Climate Review, July 2025Empire of AI, Karen Hao, May 2025'Big Tech’s green promises are hypocritical gestures', Nick Dyer-Witheford and Alessandra Mularoni, Land and Climate Review, April 2025SYSTEM OVERLOAD: How new data centres could throw Europe’s energy transition off course, Beyond Fossil Fuels, February 2025Send us Fan MailFind all our latest investigations, features and interviews at www.landclimate.org
Transcribe →Why is wellbeing ignored in climate modelling?
Mar 600:24:36Tap to summarizeClimate change is making the lives of many more difficult. Tens of millions of people are already displaced by weather events each year, and studies show that climate breakdown drives mental and physical health crises, increased conflict, drought, and food insecurity, among many other challenges. So why do leading climate models primarily measure impacts on Gross Domestic Product (GDP) rather than human wellbeing?Inge Schrijver joins Alasdair on the podcast to discuss her new research into this question, and to explain how climate models work, how they are used, and what they are missing. Inge Schrijver is a PhD researcher at the Institute of Environmental Sciences at Leiden University. Her study, “Inclusion of wellbeing impacts of climate change: a review of literature and integrated environment–society–economy models,” was co-authored with René Kleijn, Paul Behrens and Rutger Hoekstra, and is available to read here. Further reading:‘Climate action saves lives. So why do climate models ignore wellbeing?‘ Inge Schrijver, Paul Behrens and Rutger Hoekstra, The Conversation, 2025‘Degrowth in the IPCC AR6 WGIII‘, Timothée Parrique, 2022 ‘Sufficiency means degrowth‘, Timothée Parrique, 2022‘Is climate modelling undermined by economics and ideology?‘, The Land & Climate Podcast, 2022‘The appallingly bad neoclassical economics of climate change‘, Steve Keen, Globalizations, 2020WISE Horizons projectSend us Fan MailFind all our latest investigations, features and interviews at www.landclimate.org
Transcribe →Are the Iran protests a climate story?
Feb 2000:27:57Tap to summarizeLong before the recent economic crash and brutal killings of protestors in Iran, the country faced enduring environmental crises. Depleted dams and dried rivers have left stretches of land exposed, sending dust clouds across the country and severely degrading air quality. Last October, President Masoud Pezeshkian warned that the capital, Tehran, may have to be evacuated due to the country's water bankruptcy. Have these problems contributed to the civil unrest this winter? Bertie puts this question to Dr. Sanam Mahoozi, who reports on Iran for the US news press, and recently completed a PhD researching media framings of environmental protests in the country. Sanam traces the developments of climate politics and environmental media coverage in Iran, against the backdrop of a highly uncertain political future. Further reading: Sanam’s recent news reporting for The New York Times Sanam’s writing about Iranian reporting and environmental issues for The Conversation Media Framing of Iran’s 2021 Water Protests, Sanam Mahoozi, 2025, City, University of London Send us Fan MailFind all our latest investigations, features and interviews at www.landclimate.org
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