Podcast Summary: The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell

Episode Title: Trump looking away from a man in need should be the portrait for his second term
Date: November 7, 2025
Host: Lawrence O’Donnell, MSNBC
Main Guests: Senator Amy Klobuchar, Jared Bernstein, Norm Ornstein

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This episode of The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell dissects President Donald Trump’s ongoing government shutdown, highlighting its impact on American aviation, food assistance, and economic stability. With his signature blend of policy detail and sharp critique, O’Donnell uses a poignant incident—Trump turning away from an aide collapsing in the Oval Office—as a metaphor for the president’s broader disregard for Americans in distress. The episode features in-depth discussions with Senator Amy Klobuchar, economic advisor Jared Bernstein, and historian Norm Ornstein, tying Trump's leadership failures to recent Democratic victories at the polls and the dire consequences felt by ordinary people.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. A Defining Image: Trump Turns Away (01:56–05:45)

• The Incident: During a White House meeting with pharmaceutical execs, a man collapses. Medical professionals, including Dr. Oz, rush to help. Trump looks, then deliberately turns away, appearing oblivious.
  • O’Donnell’s Commentary (03:15):
    “Donald Trump, a person without a single sympathetic instinct, stood staring straight ahead as if pretending that whatever suffering the man behind him was experiencing wasn’t happening.”
• Metaphor for Governance: O’Donnell links this image to Trump’s ongoing neglect—ignoring Americans suffering from the shutdown, threatened SNAP benefits, and reduced aid to Africa.
  • Memorable Quote (05:32):
    “That is the picture of the Trump presidency. That should be the Trump second term official portrait. Portrait of Donald Trump standing mindlessly staring straight ahead, wondering when he will next get to play golf, maybe while a man's feet are in the air behind him being picked up by other people who have the capacity to care about another human being in distress.”

2. Trump’s Response to National Crises (05:45–09:45)

• Air Travel Chaos: Trump’s shutdown threatens to derail holiday travel with potential mass delays and cancellations due to underfunded air traffic control.
  • Trump “did nothing about it today. If you’re worried about your airline reservations, Donald Trump isn’t.”
• Policy Callousness: Trump is accused of “doing nothing” for people worried about food security, healthcare, or affordable travel.
  • Trump praised Elon Musk for slashing international aid, leading to “the deaths of 600,000 people, two thirds of them children.” (06:10–07:10)
• Ignored Accountability: O’Donnell contrasts Trump’s actions with hypothetical responses by Biden, Obama, and Bush, who “would have gotten physically involved.”

3. Tariffs: Trump’s Fact-Free Defense (09:00–10:49)

• Tariffs as Taxes: Supreme Court, including Chief Justice Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett, state tariffs are taxes on Americans, which Trump denies.
  • Memorable Exchange (09:59):
    Reporter: “Do you agree then that Americans are paying those tariffs?”
    Trump: “I think no, I don’t agree. I think that they might be paying something.”
  • O’Donnell: “That is a lie. That is actually trillions of lies.”
• Media Critique: O’Donnell mocks Washington media for valuing Trump’s willingness to answer questions despite nonsensical answers.
• Supreme Court’s Likely Rejection: Even conservative sources expect the court to rule Trump’s tariffs illegal and unconstitutional, debunking Trump’s claims of “trillions” in tariff revenue.

4. Absurd Prosecution: The ‘Assault with a Sandwich’ Case (11:55–15:15)

• Failed Trump-Era Prosecution: Spotlight on the farcical federal trial of Shawn Dunn, tried for “assault” with a wilting sandwich during a protest. Jury acquits swiftly.
  • O’Donnell lambasts Trump’s “deployment of forces” to pursue non-issues while ignoring urgent crises.

5. Obliviousness and Elite Indifference (16:00–18:00)

• Trump World ‘Above It All’: O’Donnell outlines Trump and his cabinet’s detachment, with private jets and marble bathrooms, indifferent to canceled flights or public hardship.
  • Cabinet, such as Kristi Noem, “ordered new private jets ... in a federal budget that Donald Trump thinks cannot afford to fund food stamps.”

6. Democratic Response: Amy Klobuchar Interview (19:19–23:41)

• Impact on Minnesota & Nationwide
  • Klobuchar notes Minnesota’s air travel hubs and smaller feeder airports could be shut down due to the Republican-led shutdown (19:19).
  • Quote (19:19):
    “While he is so oblivious and showing his marble bathrooms, the American people aren’t oblivious. And they spoke in a big voice ... You wrote the Art of the Deal. Show us your stuff, come to the table like every other president has done when there’s ... a threat of a shutdown, and he stays in that White House in his marble bathroom.”
• Negotiating Roadblocks:
  • Congress could immediately fund air traffic controllers, but the Republican House is absent (20:51).
  • Shutdown is also about blocking release of the "Epstein files," avoiding a vote that would expose them (21:45–22:28).
  • Klobuchar: “If your flight gets canceled, think about Mike Johnson, Republican speaker of the House, and his protecting of the Epstein files.” (23:02)

7. Economic Consequences: Labor Market and Jobs (24:45–34:12)

• Job Cuts & Economic Gloom:
  • Over 1.1 million jobs cut in 2025, a 65% increase YoY; layoffs surged to recessionary levels (24:45–26:45).
  • Layoffs blamed on “Department of Government Efficiency,” Trump's policies, and government shutdown impacts on contractors.
  • Comparison to Biden’s record: “Since I took office, the economy has created more than 16 million jobs, with jobs created every single month.”
• Jared Bernstein Interview (29:21–34:12):
  • Inherited Economy: Trump was handed “a very strong economy” and “squandered that inheritance ... with tariffs, with chaos...” (29:21)
  • Tariffs Hike Prices: Tariffs increase inflation; food prices (coffee up 20%, beef, etc.) are much higher year-over-year.
  • Supreme Court Got It Right: Even conservative justices recognized tariffs as taxes; Trump's framing of trade deficits as emergencies debunked (31:14).
    • Bernstein (31:14):
      “No economist, unless they’re paid to think otherwise, would call that an economic emergency.”
  • Public Feels Reality: Americans are not fooled by Trump’s claims, as reflected in the election results (“big blue wave”) repudiating Trump's false economic narrative.
    • Bernstein (33:49):
      “They don’t need to look at government data to know how the economy’s doing ... that big blue wave was very much a repudiation of the false reality within which the Trump administration lives.”

8. Political Fallout: Shutdown and Republican Losses (35:09–46:00)

• Elise Stefanik's Gubernatorial Bid:
  • After coast-to-coast Republican losses, Rep. Elise Stefanik plans to run for NY Governor, hoping to overcome strong Democratic incumbency (35:27).
  • Stefanik called out for failing to address the shutdown's impact on NY airports or oppose Trump’s SNAP cuts.
• Democratic Messaging:
  • Rep. Hakeem Jeffries: “We will not support a partisan Republican spending bill that continues to gut the health care of the American people.” (38:59)
• Norm Ornstein Analysis (41:08–45:13):
  • Historic Losses: Dem wins in VA, NJ, MS, GA create dynamic for GOP capitulation.
  • Ornstein optimistic that “we’re going to see a fairly prompt resolution of this [shutdown] ... and the elections help.”
  • Ornstein (43:41):
    “...the contrast between the parties, one that wants to make government work for people, the other that wants to blow the whole thing up.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• O’Donnell on Trump’s Oval Office Reaction (03:15):
  “Donald Trump, a person without a single sympathetic instinct, stood staring straight ahead as if pretending that whatever suffering the man behind him was experiencing wasn’t happening.”

• Trump (via O’Donnell, on tariffs) (09:59):
  "I think no, I don’t agree. I think that they might be paying something."

• Amy Klobuchar on public outcry (19:19):
  “While he is so oblivious and showing his marble bathrooms, American people aren’t oblivious. And they spoke in a big voice ... across the country.”

• Jared Bernstein on Trump’s economic management (29:21):
  “He did what he’s done before—squandered that inheritance. In this case, with tariffs, with chaos, with attacks on the Federal Reserve…”

• Norm Ornstein (41:08):
  “This has put Republicans back on their heels ... I believe we’re going to see a fairly prompt resolution of this [shutdown].”

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:53: O’Donnell and guest reminisce about the iconic Pelosi-Trump photo
• 01:56–05:45: Trump turns away from collapse in Oval Office; metaphor for presidency
• 09:00–10:49: Trump confronted by press (and Supreme Court) on tariffs
• 11:55–15:15: “Assault with a Sandwich” trial farce
• 19:19–23:41: Sen. Amy Klobuchar on air travel, Republican House absence, and shutdown politics
• 24:45–34:12: Bernstein on Trump’s inherited economy, tariffs, and inflation
• 35:09–38:59: Analysis of Republican election losses, Elise Stefanik’s prospects
• 41:08–45:13: Norm Ornstein on political fallout, potential for shutdown resolution

Tone & Language

The episode carries Lawrence O’Donnell’s passionate, acerbic critique—interspersed with policy explanations, deep institutional knowledge, and a few moments of dark humor. Guests echo the urgency and frustration of a government paralyzed by political brinkmanship with real and immediate consequences for ordinary Americans.

Useful For:

• Listeners wanting a comprehensive catch-up on the current government shutdown, its symbolism, policy impacts, and political ramifications.
• Those interested in the broader context of Trump’s leadership style and 2025 political landscape.
• Anyone curious about how this episode’s guest experts interpret events and forecast what’s ahead for Congress, the economy, and American society.