Stephen Presents: Cameron Crowe

Summary

The Late Show Pod Show with Stephen Colbert

Stephen Presents: Cameron Crowe

Date: November 28, 2025
Guest: Cameron Crowe
Host: Stephen Colbert

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Episode Overview

This special Thanksgiving episode of The Late Show Pod Show features Academy Award and Grammy-winning filmmaker and journalist Cameron Crowe. From sharing cozy Thanksgiving family traditions to deep dives into music, memory, and belonging, Stephen Colbert and Crowe discuss Crowe’s new memoir, The Uncool, the meaning of “uncool,” and the singular intimacy of music as both home and haven for outsiders. The episode also marks the ongoing collaboration between Crowe and Joni Mitchell and features a touching, personal message from Mitchell to Colbert.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thanksgiving Traditions and Memories

(00:50–09:09)

• Family and Food:
  • Stephen and producer Becca swap Thanksgiving plans, family menus, and rituals.
    • Stephen’s hosting: 27 people, two turkeys, “four pies, a cake… two of everything.”
    • “We kind of collect people around Thanksgiving… Like, what are you doing? Come on.” — Stephen Colbert [02:29]
  • Becca’s making homemade English muffins, and shares small-group traditions from Chicago.
• Cooking Tips:
  • Stephen details his dry brine turkey method:
    • “Give like a 36-hour dry brine. That thing’s gonna be juicy as the pilgrims needed.” [04:35]
  • Both share favorite side dishes and debate dressing versus stuffing, peas and pearl onions, oyster pie, and the origins of “chess pie.”
• Nostalgia and Inclusion:
  • “We usually have a sing along afterwards. We just get out the sheet music and we just sing.” [02:53]
  • Both show how food rituals keep alive memories of loved ones.—
    • “We always do a bag of microwave corn… to honor them, we do microwave corn every year.” — Becca [06:33]

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2. Introducing Cameron Crowe: The Spirit of Rock and Roll Thanksgiving

(09:09–10:57)

• Rock and Roll Week:
  • Becca segues to “Rock and Roll Thanksgiving,” noting that Crowe, though not a musician, sets the theme.
• Gratitude and Musical Connections:
  • Crowe has a note from Joni Mitchell to Stephen — an example of artists expressing thanks for each other.
    • “He brought along a note from Joni Mitchell saying… that she enjoys our work and what more do you want?” — Stephen [09:43]
  • Stephen reflects on how much these symbolic gestures mean, referencing previous messages from other musical legends.

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3. In-Depth Interview: Cameron Crowe

(10:57–19:47)

A. Memoir and Musical Origins

• The Uncool: Reclaiming Outsider Status
  • Crowe describes being both a “pack rat” historian and a perennial outsider.
    • “I was not A part of any real friend group. I was somebody who later found community in the musicians I would go to interview, because they, too, had kind of been outsiders.” — Cameron Crowe [12:55]
  • Title explained: Crowe felt uncool growing up, eschewing rock at his mother’s insistence, feeling “outside,” and finding home among other misfits.
    • “Music kind of grabs you and says, there’s a place in the world where people like you, outsiders, belong.” — Cameron Crowe [13:14]
• Music as Emotional Connection:
  • Music’s unique ability to make people feel seen and known.
    • “You hear this and it makes you want to listen to a song, like, 50 times because you feel heard and known. And that’s the greatest feeling, I think.” — Cameron Crowe [13:47]

B. Formative Experiences

• First Concert:
  • Bob Dylan, Riverside, CA, 1964 (“The local gym”), when Crowe was seven.
    • “This guy…jauntily with, like, you know, loose Levi’s and a big white shirt, and it was Bob Dylan. And he had just written Times They Are a Changin’.” — Cameron Crowe [14:20]
• Early Journalism & Being Out of Place:
  • Interviewing Kris Kristofferson at 15, learning to let the silence work for the interview.
    • “I realized the more I didn’t speak, the more he enjoyed the conversation, which was a key to interviewing.” — Cameron Crowe [16:21]
  • Back at school, feeling disconnected: “I played [David Bowie] in my class, and they fell asleep, basically.”

C. Rock and Roll Education

• Touring with Led Zeppelin for School Credit:
  • “I have an assignment from Rolling Stone magazine…go on the road with Led Zeppelin. Can I get a class credit for doing that? And he said, sure.” — Cameron Crowe [16:48]
  • Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stone, directing movies instead of law school—a chronology of rebellion (and familial trepidation).
    • “It was sitting on the table, the Oscar, and my mom leaned forward and said, like, it’s not too late to go to law school.” — Cameron Crowe [17:51]

D. Collaborating with Joni Mitchell

• Joni Mitchell Biopic:
  • Crowe reveals their process: ongoing, personal, collaborative, and shaped by Mitchell’s deep archival instinct.
    • “She’s kept all her costumes, all of her clothes, all of her instruments…This is a really personal, wonderful kind of look at her life and music.” — Cameron Crowe [18:31]
  • Special Message:
    • “I spoke to her the other day and I said I was going to see you, and she said to give you this message: ‘As a proud Stephen Colbert fan, I appreciate how you always stand your ground.’” — Cameron Crowe, quoting Joni Mitchell [19:21]
  • Colbert, amused: “Joni, if you’re listening, I’ll come to wherever you wanna be. Let’s get on Brandi Carlisle’s boat. I’ll interview you there. No cameras. We can just hang.” [10:40]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Music kind of grabs you and says, there’s a place in the world where people like you, outsiders, belong.” — Cameron Crowe [13:14]
• “You hear this and it makes you want to listen to a song, like, 50 times because you feel heard and known. And that’s the greatest feeling, I think.” — Cameron Crowe [13:47]
• “There’s so much to talk to you about…you’re working on a biopic for Joni Mitchell right there. You’re working on this with Joni, I assume?” — Stephen Colbert [18:18]
• “As a proud Stephen Colbert fan, I appreciate how you always stand your ground.” — Joni Mitchell, via Cameron Crowe [19:21]
• “I was not a part of any real friend group…I later found community in the musicians I would go to interview.” — Cameron Crowe [12:55]
• “It was sitting on the table, the Oscar, and my mom leaned forward and said, like, it’s not too late to go to law school.” — Cameron Crowe [17:51]
• “We usually have a sing along afterwards. We just get out the sheet music and we just sing.” — Stephen Colbert [02:53]

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Essential Timestamps for Key Segments

• Thanksgiving Cooking and Traditions: 00:50–09:09
• Introducing Cameron Crowe & Joni Mitchell’s Message: 09:09–10:57
• Cameron Crowe Interview – Memoir & Roots: 10:57–14:03
• First Concert & Early Journalism: 14:06–16:43
• Rock and Roll School Credit & Film Career: 16:48–18:12
• Joni Mitchell Biopic & Message: 18:18–19:47

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Tone & Style

Warm, nostalgic, and touched with whimsical humor and reverence, the conversation blends the coziness of a Thanksgiving table with the awe of meeting musical legends. Both Colbert and Crowe lean into the theme of gratitude—toward family, tradition, and the power of music to connect outsiders.

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For Listeners Who Missed It...

This episode is a must-listen for anyone fascinated by music history, filmmaking, or the unconventional paths that lead from feeling like an outsider to telling the stories of icons. Cameron Crowe’s stories are full of humility and heart, paired with Colbert’s trademark wit and warmth. The highlight: Joni Mitchell’s handwritten message—reminding us all that gratitude and artistic connection can be passed, hand-to-hand, from one generation to the next.

Transcript

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[A]

Hey everybody, it's Stephen Colbert with my producer Becca here. And we're introducing the Late show Pod show. This week we're off for Thanksgiving. We're hoping you're having a, a happy Thanksgiving. This is the Thursday show, right?

[B]

So this is a Thursday.

[A]

This is the Thanksgiving show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anything you want to add yourself there?

[B]

I love, I love eating turkey. I love eating stuffing. Do you cook it?

[A]

Do you cook turkey?

[B]

Well, I am this year. I'm going to home to Chicago with my mom and we're gonna, we're gonna do it up.

[A]

Good. How big of a group are we talking here?

[B]

It's gonna be small. It's gonna be four. It's me, my dad, my mom, my sister.

[A]

But we're ten pound jerky.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. But we're gonna go crazy on the sides. We're gonna have some fun. You know, I just texted her last night, I said while I'm home, they have a nice oven, nice stove. Let's make some English muffins from scratch.

[A]

What?

[B]

Get a little breakfast sandwich for you.

[A]

How do you do that?

[B]

It's pretty easy. And you know what this is? What I didn't realize. It's a stovetop bake. It's not in the oven.

[A]

So you do it like on a griddle kind of thing?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

But you just sort of like, you know, bake it on both sides, flip it, and then it gets all fluffy like a pancake in the middle.

[A]

So it's like an unsweet pancake?

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

And made with a biscuit dough. Like how do you do it?

[B]

I think it's more of like a sourdoughy you know, they're pretty light. Cause they have a lot of.

[A]

They need a lot of air nooks and crannies for the butter to collect in.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And what are you putting on this breakfast sandwich?

[B]

I'm putting a nice little egg there. I'm putting like a. You know, we're sort of making a homemade egg McMuffin is sort of the dream at my house. You know, get a little Canadian bacon in there, little cheese.

[A]

You know how to live.

[B]

What do you got big plans for Thanksgiving?

[A]

We have 27 people coming.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Big plans. We usually have. We have another. We have the next door neighbors, our dear friends come over with their kids, and now their grandkids and friends. The kids. Friends who are in New York and can't go home for Thanksgiving. Like the stragglers come in and our kids come home and at least one of our kids is bringing friends who can't get home for Thanksgiving. And then just come. We kind of collect people around Thanksgiving. Like, what are you doing? Come on. I, I love it. And then. Oh, we're having some friends now, some wonderful musicians. We usually have a sing along afterwards.

[B]

Awesome.

[A]

We've got a lovely piano in the house. And if we can, we'd like to invite a piano player. And we. Oh, we just get out the sheet music and we just sing. It goes, it goes. Sometimes they come over for touch football in the morning with big, you know, like Dunkin donut containers of hot cocoa.

[B]

Oh, cool.

[A]

And then people go home, get cleaned up, get their food, you know, set. Then they bring it all over to the house. And then while like turkey's being carved, everything, we have like a little cocktail hour.

[B]

Okay, nice.

[A]

With some good cheeses and snacks. And then we all sit down and then just never the night ever ends.

[B]

So you do nighttime Thanksgiving dinner?

[A]

Well, four.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[A]

We start at four, dinner's at four. I think we try to shoot for three and never make it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And so I think people give mom over at three, and we're actually sitting down at four. And then we keep the gravy hot so you can pour that just so we heat everything back up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then there's two turkeys, there's four pies, a cake. There's generally two salads, two rices, two potatoes. Two of everything. Because every family thinks they have the thing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

This is. No, this is the way to do it. And we're, you know, we've got the best. We got the best. And then dinner, a little break A little breather, then dessert. Usually a little dessert. Little dessert wine.

[B]

Are you in charge of you doing any of the desserts?

[A]

I don't know if I'm doing one this year. I generally do the turkey.

[B]

And how do we do? You do a dry brine?

[A]

I do a dry brine.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, wow. Nice, Nice.

[B]

Remember, we've been here for a few Thanksgivings at this point.

[A]

Okay. I do a dry brine.

[B]

Well, I think that's cool. I was talking about it to my mom. I was like, we can switch it up this year.

[A]

Just get a couple days ahead of time. Because you give like a 36 hour dry brine. That thing's gonna be juicy as the pilgrims needed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's why they left England for juice.

[B]

Your turkey, you ever put in the green egg?

[A]

No, I've not. Well, no, I have smoked a duck and a goose for Thanksgiving.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

I've done a goose.

[B]

Bonus birds.

[A]

Gooses are a pain in the ass.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's a lot of bones. It's actually not that much meat on a goose. And it's hard to carve. Yeah, carving a goose is really hard. Yeah. I mean, our turkeys, the modern American turkey is bioengineered.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If they don't, you know, if you don't kill and eat this year's turkey, they're gonna be dead a year from now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cause they're gonna get so fat, like they never stop growing that their legs will not support them. They'll just collapse and die. Have a great Thanksgiving. So come on, let's talk sides.

[B]

Okay, let's talk sides. I mean, you gotta have. I do pepper farm stuffing. You gotta.

[A]

And in the burger, I do the pepper charm stuff. Yeah, you stuff the bur.

[B]

You stuff.

[A]

Otherwise, it's just dressing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And who wants to eat dressing? You're just eating stuffing.

[B]

Yeah, you guys.

[A]

And salmonella, schmalmanella. Just make sure it's hot.

[B]

Yeah. You know, it's fine. It's good for your immune system.

[A]

Just challenge it every so often. It only understands the rough stuff.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Love it. And then because the next day you want a little bit of that stuffing on the sandwich.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[A]

On the sandwich. Maybe on an English muffin sandwich.

[B]

Yeah. Little stuffing sandwich.

[A]

Do you like Brussels sprouts?

[B]

Brussels sprouts are common. We don't have a ton of, like, sides, you know, mashed potatoes. Of course we do it mashed. I was looking at, like a nice. We don't do sweet potatoes. But I love. I mean, this is sort of what I'm trying to decide. I'm trying to spearhead the menu this year. Not rice.

[A]

We do wild rice every year. And every year I was like, should I do the wild rice this year? And I was like, yeah, do the wild rice. She's like, I don't think people like the wild rice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's like, but just do the wild rice.

[B]

We always do a bag of microwave corn, which is perfect. It's one of those things that my Uncle Bill loved it. And my grandma used to have a really bad kitchen where the stove didn't work that well. There's only so much she could do. She would just throw some corn in the microwave, and he would eat it all up. So to honor them, we do microwave corn every year, Stuff like that.

[A]

The thing that I want that Evie never wants is peas and pearl onions. Oh, I love. Give me some frozen bird's eye peas and pearl onions. Especially the peas. Like, they gotta pop when you eat them. She cannot stand it. The worst thing in the world is that she's always tried to give them to her dad when she was a kid. Dad, Daddy, you want my peas?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's like, oh, no, thank you, honey. No, I don't want my peas. And she'd hide them underneath her potato skin or something. But I love peas and pearl onions. Just drown that in butter.

[C]

And.

[A]

Oyster pie. You ever. That's a Charleston thing.

[B]

No, it's oyster pie.

[A]

It's oysters cooked with, like, crumbled up crackers with a cracker crust on top and milk and butter and mace.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's really great, but it always takes way longer than you think. And everyone has finished dinner, maybe dessert before the oyster pie has set.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the desserts. I'm a pumpkin man. Apple, obviously, I'm an American, so I'm gonna try that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Blueberry is probably my favorite pie.

[B]

Oh, cool.

[A]

In the world.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Yum.

[A]

Chess pie. You've heard chess pie?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Chess pie is so good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I love a chess.

[A]

Nobody knows why it's called chess pie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's so many different theories about why it's called chess pie.

[B]

Well, it's like a chocolate chess pie, essentially. Like a brownie in a pie shell, you know? Right. Is that what I'm talking about?

[A]

Well, I've never done a chocolate chess pie.

[B]

What's the flavor of your chess chest?

[A]

Chest flavor?

[B]

It's like buttermilk.

[A]

It's like buttermilk.

[B]

It is.

[A]

It's like a sugary buttermilk. You know, and then it caramelizes. When they caramelize, it gets a little bit of a vanilla feel to it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's so good. They think that maybe it was chest pie, that it would top pie. You could keep and keep in a pie chest. Oh, the chest pie. Because it keeps for a long time. And then in other words, it's that. In other words, there might be corruption of the phrase. It's a simple piece. It's just pie.

[B]

Oh, yeah, it's just pie. It's just pie.

[A]

Just pie. And also because buttermilk, when actually it cooks down, it's like a cheese. It's almost like a cheese pie. Almost like a cheesecake. And so they think the chest might be from cheese. It might be a cheese pie. Chest pie.

[B]

Yeah. Pie.

[A]

Nobody knows. Nobody knows.

[B]

That would be an interesting field of study to enter into.

[A]

Yeah. Big debate out there. Skip the debate. Eat the pie.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Delicious. Yum. Well, I hope everyone's enjoying their food. I have a special podcast for you, Steven, today.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You always do to jump into it. This is, you know, we're going on our Rock and Roll Them week for Thanksgiving. Rock and Roll Thanksgiving. This person is not a musician himself, but on the theme of Thanksgiving, he gifted you. He passed you a little message.

[A]

Oh, my God. Sure.

[B]

Of someone who's expressing big gratitude towards you.

[A]

This is Cameron Crowe. What a shocking surprise. First of all, fascinating interview. Fascinating guy.

[B]

Really interesting.

[A]

You forget how much this guy's done in his life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's a. He's a very well expressed, very kind seeming fella. And he brought along a note from Joni Mitchell saying that essentially that she enjoys our work and what more do you want? That's it. I mean, after Robert Plant said, you really made the room jump. Oh, if you listened to yesterday's episode. Previously on previously on Lecho Pacho. And then a note from Joni Mitchell, man, I'm done. Yeah, I am done. I am King in 1972.

[B]

Yeah. And there's something so cool about someone just being like, oh, this person said something about you. But for a guy to take out a little scrap of paper from his pocket and hand it to you.

[A]

That was lovely. Yeah, I saved that for sure.

[B]

You're gonna be framing that. That's really nice.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Love to hang with Joanie sometime.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I'd go to Joanie. Joanie, if you're listening, I'll come to wherever you wanna be. Let's get on Brandi Carlisle's boat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll interview you there? We don't have an interview. No cameras. We can just hang.

[B]

Just hang, just hang. Just be in the presence, watch some TV together. That would be awesome. Cool. All right, well, happy Thanksgiving. From late show, POD show, this is Cameron Crow on the Late Show. Please enjoy.

[A]

Engage. Ladies and gentlemen, my next guest is an Academy award and Grammy award winning filmmaker and journalist who. Who has directed films like say Anything, Jerry Maguire and Almost Famous. Please welcome to the Late Show, Cameron Crowe. Nice to have you on, everybody. I mean, a lot of people first got to know about your life from Almost Famous, which was autobiographical, but with your new memoir right here, the Uncool. Okay, you're finally telling the fuller story here. Was that the plan the whole time is to make a movie about your Life and then 25 years later go, well, what I meant was this.

[C]

There's more. Yes. Well, I always kept everything. I'm a pack rat. So I have all my notebooks and all my everything from the time. And there came a time I was working on a collection of my journalism and I realized there was a story behind every big story that I'd done when I was much younger. And it grew into a story about my family and how music comes from how you grow up and who you know and how you were raised. And so it turned into a story of loving music and family and some of the great stories that I was unable to tell until now.

[A]

Well, you know, how your love of music is shaped by the people that you know. You knew some amazing people besides the people you grew up with. I'm just curious. Why call it? Why call it. I love the COVID I'll do that one more time here. Why call it the Uncool when it's full of some really cool stories of you hanging out with the Allman Brothers and David Bowie and Fleetwood Mac and every other. Every other band.

[C]

It's true.

[A]

From the 1970s.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So what's the uncool? Are you the uncool?

[C]

Well, a little bit. You know, my mom was a very kind of protective school teacher, counselor and stuff. And she really felt that, like, rock should not be in our family, shouldn't come in the home.

[A]

Bad influence.

[C]

Bad influence, promiscuous, you know, sex, drugs, this all would come in through the door and in the windows if you let that music play in the home. So it wasn't allowed. And so I felt a little bit uncool as a result of it. And she also skipped me three grades in school. So I was younger than everybody else and I was not A part of any real friend group. I was somebody who later found community in the musicians I would go to interview because they, too, had kind of been outsiders. And music kind of grabs you and says, there's a place in the world where people like you, outsiders, belong.

[A]

So why do you think music does that? Because I have some friends who've done that, too. I've gone into music, people I've known since we were kids, and then they find a home in music. Comedy does that for people, too.

[C]

I'm curious.

[A]

Why does music do that for people?

[C]

Because it says, it's so personal sometimes, and it can be so specific about, I know your pain, I know who you are. And you hear this, and it makes you want to listen to a song like, 50 times because you feel heard and known. And that's the greatest feeling, I think.

[A]

What was the first concert you ever went to?

[C]

Well, my mom, who was, of course, interested in anything academic, thought this little piece in the newspaper about a protest singer named Bob Dylan coming to the local gymnasium.

[A]

The local gym?

[C]

Yeah, the local gym.

[A]

What town is this?

[C]

I'm sorry. This is Riverside, California. So it was 1964. I was seven. My sister was a little older, Cindy. And so she said, well, I'm going to take you to see this. This protest singer who's speaking about politics and important things. And it was Bob Dylan. And we sat on this cold gymnasium floor, and this guy kind of came out jauntily with, like, you know, loose Levi's and a big white shirt, and it was Bob Dylan. And he had just written Times They Are a Changin'. And that was kind of an interesting thing that stayed with us always, even though hard rock was later forbidden. There was this little pulse of, like, we'd seen this amazing show when we were young, and it was Dylan.

[A]

Well, I'm curious how you made the. How you made the switch in your day from doing things like interviewing Kris Kristofferson to then sitting in high school math class because you're just a kid here.

[C]

It's true.

[A]

So how did that feel? Like, did you think, like, they don't even know. They didn't even know the life I've got outside of the school.

[C]

Well, Steven, I had talked my way into an interview with Kris Kristofferson, and I was 15, and he was so kind. He sat outside in this red leatherette chair at a Mexican restaurant because they wouldn't let me into the bar area. And he was amazing. He started. I asked him the first question. I said, how do you feel do you feel lonely when you're on the road? And he stopped and he looked off. And I started to panic and think, well, does he not like my question? Should I ask him something else? And I decided, like, not to say anything. And then he started to talk, and he talked about loneliness, and he talked about the movies he loved, and he talked about how movies and music could come together to create this amazing thing, which ended up being something that would really speak to me later. And I realized the more I didn't speak, the more he enjoyed the conversation, which was a key to interviewing.

[A]

So he's having a really good conversation with his own memories.

[C]

Yeah, he really thanked me for my silence, you know. And then later, I came back to English class and I had a David Bowie record and stuff, and I played it in my class, and they fell asleep, basically. So I felt like, well, music is this place where I'm going to be understood. And that was the path.

[A]

Is it true that you got course credit for touring with Led Zeppelin?

[C]

I did. I was. I did. And thank you for knowing that. I was supposed to be a lawyer. That was the family. That was the goal. So I had just kind of gotten out of high school, skipped a bunch of grades, and I was taking a journalism class, and I sent one to the teachers, like, I have an assignment from Rolling Stone magazine. They're giving me this chance to go on the road with Led Zeppelin. Can I get a class credit for doing that? And he said, sure. And could you get me into Rolling Stone? And so this was a ticket out, because I could just go to my mom and say, like, well, if my teacher is hitting on me for a job, I think it's cool to not go to college for a little bit. So I didn't finish, I must say, and ended up directing movies and having an incredible time doing that. And it was the night I had.

[A]

Won the Oscar there with Jimmy Page right there.

[C]

That's Led Zeppelin.

[A]

So the night you won the Oscar.

[C]

A great Led Zeppelin story, I must say. But years later, having written Almost Famous, we won the Oscar for the screenplay. And it was sitting on the table, the Oscar, and my mom leaned forward and said, like, it's not too late to go to law school. So, you know, it's not. You know, I'm thinking, it's still not.

[A]

It's still not. Yeah, I'm thinking about it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So that was, let's pick a school and, you know, we'll go together. Let's do it.

[A]

Yeah. One thing I'm very excited there's so much to talk to you about. The one thing I'm very excited about here is that you, you are working on a biopic for Joni Mitchell right there. You're working on this with Joni, I assume?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

How's that going?

[C]

It's amazing. She's, she's such an inspiring person. So we've been working on it for about four years. We have regular meetings where I can ask her anything and she speaks with her heart about all kinds of stuff. It's a movie that will be not from a distance, looking at somebody that. Here's a portrait of somebody that we've never met. This is from her perspective, her life, looking out. And she's kept everything. Yet another pack rat. She's kept all of her costumes, all of her clothes, all of her instruments. She's even still the landlady of her famous house in Laurel Canyon. So this is a really personal, wonderful kind of look at her life and music. And she's wonderful. And she actually has a message for you.

[A]

For me?

[C]

Yes. I spoke to her the other day and I said that I was going to see you and she said to give you this message. As a proud Stephen Colbert fan, I appreciate how you always stand your ground.

[A]

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