Chloe Bailey’s Darkest Role Yet: Inside The Making Of Strung - The Latest with Loren LoRosa

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Lauren LaRosa
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Lauren LaRosa
I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything and everybody.
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Malcolm D. Lee
You know she don't lie about that, right?
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Cal Penn
Lauren came in hot.
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Lauren LaRosa
All right, y', all, we're here in New York. We're at the strong premiere in New York. Where are y' all going somewhere else after this?
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Chloe Bailey
No.
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Lauren LaRosa
Okay. Because this is the hotel room. This is the best stop. Like, this is the best place you'll take the movie.
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Malcolm D. Lee
I don't. I don't argue with that. Because New York, baby.
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Lauren LaRosa
Exactly. And because I'm here and because you're here. Thank you, guys. Yes. So we're gonna be doing a Q A.
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Malcolm D. Lee
And thank you for doing it.
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Lauren LaRosa
No, thank y' all for having me.
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Chloe Bailey
I got to see you twice.
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Lauren LaRosa
I know. Literally, y' all saw me before and after sleep.
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Chloe Bailey
You look amazing.
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Lauren LaRosa
Them 4ams ain't no joke at the Uber in this morning.
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Chloe Bailey
Good.
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Lauren LaRosa
You look good. Let me get that.
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Chloe Bailey
You look good.
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Lauren LaRosa
Okay. Y' all heard that, huh?
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Lauren LaRosa
So we about to go through this premiere, and people already have seen the movie by the time we walk in, right?
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Chloe Bailey
Yes.
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Malcolm D. Lee
Oh, yes.
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Lauren LaRosa
Okay. Are you excited for the reaction?
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Chloe Bailey
Of course. Always.
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Malcolm D. Lee
It's always been. It's. It's a crowd pleaser.
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Lauren LaRosa
Do you get to watch the react? Like, you know, like, you get to listen to them like.
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Chloe Bailey
Oh, we did in Miami. That was the most exhilarating experience at
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Lauren LaRosa
that black film festival.
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Chloe Bailey
Yes.
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Malcolm D. Lee
American Black film.
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Lauren LaRosa
Yes.
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Lauren LaRosa
Yep. Okay. All right, well, we're gonna see what New York is giving we. We up for. I heard that the American Black Film Festival is a.
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Cal Penn
It was. It was.
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Lauren LaRosa
New York will be good, I'm sure. No question. So let's go on in now, Now. Alrighty. While they're figuring out the mic situations, I'm Lauren LaRosa. How you guys doing tonight? So we are here to celebrate something really, really, really special. You know, Malcolm D. Lee and Chloe and all of their team. As you guys saw in the movie, they worked really hard to put this together and really hard to tell the story and enter into a space that is like. I mean, it's like everybody wants thriller and suspense and scary right now, but I love to see us doing it. So we are going to have great conversation, great community today, and I'm going to get into their business a little bit. Y' all ready for that? Yeah. All righty. So I'm going to bring out the amazing guest of the evening, Mr. Malcolm D. Lee, director of the film, and Ms. Chloe Bailey, our superstar lead actress, Chloe Bailey. Yes. Still no mics? No, not working right now yet.
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Malcolm D. Lee
My voice can carry.
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Lauren LaRosa
Yes. All righty, y'. All. So let's get into the conversation.
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Chloe Bailey
I'll just project.
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Malcolm D. Lee
Okay. You'll project?
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Chloe Bailey
Yep. Well, I'll project.
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Malcolm D. Lee
Okay.
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Chloe Bailey
Here we go.
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Lauren LaRosa
So what were you guys most excited about when, when bringing this story to life.
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Malcolm D. Lee
Hmm. I don't know. Like, listen, I read the script. I thought it was really forward leaning. Oh, here we go. I was very much reading the script as if it was a page turner. And I just, you know, I kept trying, you know, you don't always do that when you're. When you get a script that somebody says, oh, we want you to do this, or whatever.
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Lauren LaRosa
Right.
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Malcolm D. Lee
Sometimes it can be very boring. I've been part of those, those experiences. So this script has kept me intrigued. And I thought, okay, let's. Here's my opportunity to try a different exercise, a different muscle. And so that's what I really wanted to do. And, you know, I knew that I needed to have somebody who would be a strong leading lady. And, you know, I met Chloe on the set of Fight Night and I was just like, I was in love with her. I thought she was so, so. She's so sweet, so nice. And then looked at some of her work. I was like, oh, she'd be a great lead for this, you know, and then she just, she. She loved the script. So I was like, let's make it happen.
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Chloe Bailey
I'm so grateful that we got to do it together. First of all, thank you, everyone for coming this evening and watching the film. It means so much to us. Thank you, Lauren, for being here with us so we can talk.
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Lauren LaRosa
I would be nowhere else but here.
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Chloe Bailey
Thank you, Malcolm, for directing an amazing film. I am so thrilled to be a part of it. And I still remember that day when we met on the set of Fight Night. It was still dark in the warehouse and I was like, oh, he's really cool. And when I got the script, I was so enamored by it. I love thrillers. I love suspense, and I loved how, like, the instruments were used as weapons. And I was really intrigued by that. And I just was. I gravitated towards it. So I'm happy we were able to pull it off. And it's now out into the world now.
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Lauren LaRosa
The movie is a wild ride, right, y'? All? Yeah, y' all was in here like, uh, girl, what? Right? So it's a very wild ride. Talk to me about how you guys juggle all of the different tones throughout. So for you, you know, being on camera as leading actress and getting into that and then as director, how did you balance?
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Chloe Bailey
I think Malcolm did a really great job at keeping us on track and helping us tell the story that we wanted to tell. Especially when, you know, when we're filming all the scenes, emotions are all over the place. It's nice to have someone like, okay, let's keep it afloat and, you know, guiding us to where we need to be. But I think it's also a testament to his directing because he allowed it to be a collaborative effort where we were also able to pour our hearts and souls into the character. And I remember even at the dinner table scene, it was on the iconic Ms. Lynn Whitfield's coverage and she nailed it. She ate it down. And Malcolm was like, okay, do something crazy. You know, feel it completely go above and beyond. And, you know, just gave her a fun take. And that's what he let us do, you know, feel it and never really get stapled to one emotion or feeling. And I think that's what really pulled the best out of us.
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Malcolm D. Lee
Yeah, I would say, like, you know, that scene in particular, like, you know, Chloe was just so amazing, you know, in having to just display all those emotions because, I mean, that could have been a very, like, boring scene. You just, you're, you know, you know, talking about the plot of the movie and what they were up to. But, like, the way she reacted, you know, and the covers, the actors really made the thing sing. I mean, so I, you know, listen, it was again, a different genre for me, but, you know, I approach every movie the same in terms of, like, establishing tone first. Like, let's make sure that, like, I'm very clear about the tone I'm trying to set. And it was nice to not have to cut to the joke on this movie, to just like, let the characters breathe and, you know, let a certain rhythm be established with it. And, you know, it's, you know, it's a thriller. It's a little bit of a, you know, a coming of age story, you know, somewhat to a degree as well. So I just wanted to try my hand at it.
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Lauren LaRosa
Chloe, when I hear you say that Malcolm let you guys, like, not be stapled to the script in script and how, you know, coming into it it was set up to be, I'm wondering, like, was, were there any moments that we saw on screen that were like, just you naturally, like, not. I guess you would call it improv too, even though it's not like comedy, but, like, things you added that weren't in the script at the moment that made it to the final cut?
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Chloe Bailey
It did. And even during adr, a lot of them would be, like, kind of mumbled under my breath, like, almost like how I would react in the moment because I got that loss in the scene. And when we did adr. Malpa was like, okay, I love what you said there, but I want the audience to hear what you said. So I would go over and overdub it in ADR and things like that.
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Malcolm D. Lee
She didn't want to say, what the fuck. I had to pull that out of
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Lauren LaRosa
her because I know the final scene where you guys are at the table and you're like, they're trying to get the information out of you drinking the water. I was like, she acts like that in real life. Like I could just see you react in that way. So when I heard you say that, I was like, I wonder if that was just her natural reaction in the moment. Now let's talk about the film and how compelling of a spectrum and paints for black women, right? So you go from like the matriarch of the family all the way down.
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Cal Penn
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Chloe Bailey
Like, I mean, even when I was
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Cal Penn
a little kid, I was Gordie Lachance
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Malcolm D. Lee
when I didn't know it.
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Cal Penn
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Lauren LaRosa
Let's talk about how did exploring those different identities shape the emotional core of the story and the different dynamics between the characters?
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Malcolm D. Lee
Oh boy, that's a deep question mark.
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Lauren LaRosa
You want to break it down? You want to go one after the other?
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Malcolm D. Lee
No. Yeah, I mean, you want to try.
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Chloe Bailey
What I love about this film and all of the characters is that there was not one stereotypical black woman. And it showed all of us in all shapes and forms and levels. You know, Layla, she was broke. She had aspirations when she was broke. Then you had Ms. Lynn and Imani and Marcus. You know, they were at the top of their game. So successful then. I loved how it showed Coco. You know, she was a nurse, and it showed us in all shapes and forms. And I really loved that no one was really a villain like even Laila. You really were rooting for her. But then you also were like, what the hell is your problem? And I loved how it showed how raw we are as human beings and how, yes, we might be good one moment, but we also have some faults and some moments where it might not be so tasteful. So I love how it explored that in every way and dynamic.
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Malcolm D. Lee
Yeah, I would say that a lot of the characters live in the gray, you know, Area. You know, clearly there are villains. I mean, you know, you know, what's her name? What is Lynn's character's name? Audrey.
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Lauren LaRosa
Audrey.
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Chloe Bailey
But she's protecting something that she works.
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Lauren LaRosa
I was going to say, yes, you can.
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Chloe Bailey
You can, like, understand her and synthesize, like, okay, she's trying to protect her. Her throne.
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Malcolm D. Lee
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. I mean, like, you know, it's very interesting. Like, you know, the. The dynamic of the audience when they. When they're, you know, they're. They're, like, looking at Leila like, what are you. Why are you doing that? And, I mean, I can't believe it. And then when, you know, she, you know, she gets the big reveal of the violin at the. At the baby shower. And, you know, you know, Imani smiles, like, triumphantly. You know, we had somebody just, like, clap. Like, yeah, that's what you get, Leila. And then, you know, then she starts to attack, like, oh, my God, what are you doing? So then. But then. So I think there's a lot of ebbs and flows with Leila's journey and, like, you know, that we're rooting for her and that we're also, like, feeling sorry for her, you know, and obviously, by the end, you're like, oh, we understand she's made some mistakes, you know, just as all younger people do. You know, it's part of the journey of, you know, coming of age.
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Lauren LaRosa
When I watched it, throughout the different characters, I did go from like, oh, like, how crazy are you? How stupid are you right now? To, I get it. You're just doing what you gotta do to get by. Even if I wouldn't do that, like, you know what I mean? And I think. I know for me, as a black woman watching it, I was like, I got women in my family that did some crazy things, but they will always say it was. They thought it was the best idea that they had at the moment, just doing what they knew to do. It's like when you figure out your parents are actually people and not just your parents right now. Talk a little bit about with this being a black led cast, which was very powerful, how that brought a distinct energy and how it shaped the film and the characters to move throughout the film thriller in a certain way.
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Malcolm D. Lee
You know, the script was. Was written. Alan McElroy was the writer of the script, and he wrote, I thought, a really good script. And, you know, I don't think it was like. It was.
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Cal Penn
It was.
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Malcolm D. Lee
Certainly had its DNA in. In blackness and also African American, African culture. And, you know, I wanted to. I, like, I really appreciated that about the script. And so it wasn't like, oh, like, these characters were white and we made them and we just, you know, cast the cast of black, you know, characters. You know, these characters were inherently, you know, written in the movie to be African American. You know, this happened to be aspirational, upscale and what have you. So to me, it's just, you know, kind of the. In the same vein of what the movies that I've done in the past in terms of, like, characters being, again, aspirational, educated and. But. But in some ways accessible. Certainly Layla is very accessible character. You know, she's the every woman in this movie. Whereas, you know, Lynn and Lucien are a little bit more like, oh, they're a little more hoity toity. But, you know, I think that's just the way the script was written and wanted to embody that. It's funny too, because even though it's a Blumhouse movie, that is not a Blumhouse house. You know, a lot of times the Blumhouse houses are very, very creepy looking. And I was like, we ain't got that. We ain't got the, you know, Gilda Lily on that. We could just like, let it be. It was. It was creepy in its own way, in this kind of antiseptic way. You know, everything was very clean, had its place or whatever. So, you know, it's different than like, what a creepy house. You just had a creepy kid inside.
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Lauren LaRosa
No, that chandelier in the bathroom. The bathroom scene. I was like, oh, they are. I mean, they're going through some craziness, but they living. They're having a good time. Okay, now talk to me a little bit. Malcolm. I know that, you know, this going into the thriller lane a little bit different for you. What was one of the things that you learned from this film that you'll take back into the other genres that you're most comfortable in?
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Malcolm D. Lee
You know, I'm comfortable in this one too. I mean, I think it's. It's interesting the whole time. And I go through this on every movie and like, is this working? Is this, is this, is this. Like, how does this. What is this thing about, like, like, is this, is this, is this communicating? And with this one, I was. I was probably more unsure than any movie I've done in a long time.
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Lauren LaRosa
Oh, wow.
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Malcolm D. Lee
I'm just like, well, I haven't done this in, like, you know, with it, with a comedy. You know what you're gonna get if you. If you set up a laugh. Boom, they're laughing, right? With a drama or like a psychological thriller, you just kind of, like, are feeling how the audience is feeling. And are they. Are they with you? Are they with the characters? So, you know, I. Well, one thing I have to know that, like, you know, Blumhouse has their own, you know, rules and the way they, you know, make their movies. And they're like, well, like, for instance, one of the things they said was, you know, don't. Don't use so much music. And I was like, yeah, but I'm trying to establish some tension or whatever. The actors are doing so much. Doing so great. I'm like, okay, I'll try. And I tried. Was totally against my instincts, and I was. And it didn't work. You know, the audience was. And one thing we will admit, you know, that the audience is always right. Because the audience is always right. They are. Especially in a genre movie like this. They're always looking. Anything that's like, slightly smacks of a clue, they're like, what does that mean?
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Lauren LaRosa
I was doing that to y' all earlier. I talked to them earlier at the Breakfast Club, and it was so many things after the interview, I was like, wait. Cause did this mean something? I was like, no, not at all.
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Malcolm D. Lee
But, you know, you have to, like, they're very delicate movies, comedies and movies like this. Very delicate. So, like, the slightest, like, you know, like, overplaying of something or underplaying of something, you'll lose the audience or the audience will be ahead of you. And you don't want the audience to be ahead. You want them to be, like, trying to figure it out, but at the same time be reeled in.
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Lauren LaRosa
Let's talk a little bit about the music in the film. Because, I mean, it's literally, like, the heart of the story, essentially. Right. So you said that, you know, you decided to go back to making sure that there was a lot of the music in the film.
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Malcolm D. Lee
Yeah, yeah. You know, like, when I talk about that, I'm talking about the score.
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Lauren LaRosa
Yeah, the score.
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Malcolm D. Lee
There are songs in the movie that were inherent to, like. Like, for instance, like when. When Chloe and. And I'm sorry, when Layla and Marcus first meet, you know, like, those songs were written into the movie. Although not all of them were, but they were at least. At least that the set sequence was. And that was, like, their love language.
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Lauren LaRosa
Right.
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Malcolm D. Lee
They're both, you know, music lovers. And that's how he got her to, like, you'll be intrigued or what have you. And then, you know, we had Ali Shahid Muhammad and Adrian Young do the score, and they did just this phenomenal job with just, you know, the tones and the, you know, the. Everything about. About, you know, the tension that I wanted to feel. And some stuff was just like a little offbeat. Like, you know, even some of the piano chords they were playing were like a really out of tune piano. And I was like, oh, why? Why that? And. But it just worked, right? You know what I mean? So music is always important to me in a movie and then movie like this, where music is so, you know, at the forefront, which is, you know, how Layla copes and how Layla communicates. You know, it was. It was not an easy thing to do because you have. When you're doing a movie that has so much music in it that's on screen performance, there's a lot of pre recording that has to be done, and they're right.
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Chloe Bailey
Correct.
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Malcolm D. Lee
And so, like, it was. It was a lot of pressure on. On Chloe. I'm just like, okay, here's the Mendelssohn. The song we're going to play with the opening song, and we're going to. The discussion is on day one. And so you'll learn the violin. You'll be fine. When did you learn the violin? In fifth grade. You'll pick it up.
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Chloe Bailey
Oh, yeah, that was a challenge. But we did it and it turned out really well. And I'll forever be proud of it.
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Lauren LaRosa
Well, you got to let the people know what you're talking about. The fact that you went and you did lessons again because you hadn't played since the fifth grade. How long did you. Did you have to go back and do the lessons and everything to prepare for this film?
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Chloe Bailey
I had a week and a half to prepare before we shot the first scene in Cape Town.
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Lauren LaRosa
Y' all give it up for that. Cause she played that violin. Okay.
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Chloe Bailey
I would panicking.
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Lauren LaRosa
I would text Malcolm.
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Chloe Bailey
I would call Malcolm.
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Lauren LaRosa
Malcolm, I don't know if I could pull this off. I'm really trying for you.
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Malcolm D. Lee
So you'll be fine.
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Chloe Bailey
Yes. Because I'm the type of person who watches the movie and I'm like, okay, this is off. This isn't matching. And I was like, chloe, you cannot be a musician in a film about music. And not doing the violin properly, like, that is just not okay. So I really put a lot of pressure on myself as well as a musician, and I'm happy that I had a little bit of musicianship in my back pocket.
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Malcolm D. Lee
Oh, yeah.
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Chloe Bailey
Because it definitely helped me.
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Lauren LaRosa
Not a little bit
[22:34]
Cal Penn
hey everyone, it's Cal Penn, host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast I'm sitting down with Lily Chu, the author of the Audible original romantic comedy Just Kiss Already. It's a story about a forensic anthropologist who secretly writes mystery novels, an actress who adapts his book into a film, and what happens when a meme and a media tour collide with a slow burn romance. It's performed by Simu Liu and Philippa Hsu, and it is an absolute blast.
[23:07]
Lauren LaRosa
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[26:19]
Lauren LaRosa
Talk a little about that for both of you guys though, because another like just sitting here talk, listening to you guys talk about the music aspect of it, I'm like, it's, you know, God does this thing where everything that you do aligns for like this one next thing you're going to do and you don't even know it's happening, right? So you being able to learn that violin like that in about a week. We've watched you master music and instruments for years now, so I mean, you probably could have did it in your sleep, but as you're mastering that within that week, is there any point where Chloe's like, okay, I see what you were doing here because now I'm walking into this role and I can do it effortless, effortlessly.
[26:51]
Chloe Bailey
One I receive that and I thank you for that kind compliment. I think for me, I was just ready to go really drown myself in this experience. And I constantly want to be challenged and pushed so that I can continue to grow and be better. And I can definitely say I'm a better actress after filming this movie than I was coming into it. And I think because I was stretched like in all directions that I now have all these different tools and notes and things that I picked up on that I could just, you know, attached to my tool belt. So I definitely think God was like, ha, ha, ha. He always has those little moments, and I'm grateful that I was able to pull from a little bit of experience for this.
[27:36]
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah. Well, you did an amazing job.
[27:38]
Chloe Bailey
Thank you.
[27:38]
Lauren LaRosa
Now talk to me, Chloe, a little bit about the action sequences.
[27:43]
Chloe Bailey
My favorite.
[27:44]
Lauren LaRosa
Ate them down. And you did all your own stunts?
[27:46]
Chloe Bailey
Yes, but there was a stunt double who did, like, the extra hard falls or, like, you know, the actual hitting of the ground or things like that. But other than that. Yep, it was me.
[27:57]
Lauren LaRosa
So what was the prep? You were so crazy. Yeah, it was me. What was the preparation like for that? Because that was new for you as well. Like, you've acted before, but this is intense.
[28:07]
Chloe Bailey
I had done stunt work a couple of times in the past, and I'm an adrenaline junkie, so I was ready. That's the most exciting part for me. And when they teach you, like, the stunt choreography, it's almost like dance choreography. Same with boxing. It's like you're learning a dance step. So we had stunt practice for about a week before we shot in Cape Town. And then it was go, go, go. And I had a time, like, of course, it was freezing on the beach,
[28:34]
Malcolm D. Lee
and I was like, oh.
[28:34]
Chloe Bailey
But then once the camera went on, I was like, yeah, so those are my favorite. I'm an adrenaline junkie. For real?
[28:41]
Malcolm D. Lee
No, I will say that Chloe, like, she runs the gamut of emotions in this. In this movie, you know, like, she has to be physical. She has to be violent, she has to be sexy, she has to be innocent. She has to be emotional. So, you know, and she's worked every day. You know, she had no days off. Well, that's expected, right? You know, there was. And so we really put it on. I gave her a warning. I said, this is.
[29:06]
Chloe Bailey
Oh, yeah. I was like, I got this. No, he was.
[29:11]
Malcolm D. Lee
But. But every day she was like, okay, we're gonna. Before Chicago, you got to come in a little bit earlier. Then she'd be like, oh, really? Okay. All right. Good morning. How's everybody doing? Like, always a bundle of positivity. And I really love that about her. And, you know, she was really. She just very much ride or die, like, really just kind of gave it her all the whole time.
[29:31]
Lauren LaRosa
How important was that energy for the rest of the cast, though, with her being, like, number one on the call sheet and kind of setting that tone?
[29:37]
Malcolm D. Lee
Listen, you know, I. I think, you know, Chloe's a great example. She had a great, you know, a great scene partners, particularly with Lynn Whitfield. You know, who was like a veteran and. And, you know, you know, a great scene partner for her. You know, same thing with. With, you know, Lucy and who's like a. Just also, you know, just Mr. Positivity, right. Even though, you know, he has to be kind of mean and violent in this movie, he's like, you know, like, every time he breaks character, he's like, oh, you know, like, just. Just like. Like a sprite, you know, just jumping around the set. So, I mean, you know, like, Chloe, you know, had. Had the most to do. But, you know, everyone, we had a really, really great cast. I'm very thankful for all of them.
[30:16]
Chloe Bailey
And I do think you also have to give credit to yourself for putting together an environment of positive people as well, because it wouldn't run the way it did without the production and the crew. And I wouldn't have ran the way I did without my manager with me. She was there with me every step. Oh, my gosh.
[30:34]
Malcolm D. Lee
I would go home like, you got this.
[30:38]
Chloe Bailey
You got this. So I definitely. It was such a community, family effort, and we really put our all into that film. And I'm happy that you can tell and see it, because not one person was, like, lacking. Everyone gave their all. And I kind of shared this earlier, and I think I was so enamored by this because it taught me that no matter how high you get, you still have to put your all into everything. It was Ms. Lynn Whitfield, like, even when the camera was not on her, when the coverage was not on her, she was giving it 100% just so she could feed you what you needed to properly bring what the scene needed.
[31:14]
Lauren LaRosa
I love that.
[31:14]
Chloe Bailey
And that was incredibly inspiring to me because other sets I've been on, other great actors I've been next to, I hadn't seen that.
[31:23]
Malcolm D. Lee
Right?
[31:24]
Chloe Bailey
So she, like, she still has the passion and the fire in her eyes for acting. And that was really cool to see, especially with her being such a legend in the game.
[31:32]
Lauren LaRosa
Right?
[31:33]
Chloe Bailey
So that was. That was really inspiring for me.
[31:35]
Lauren LaRosa
Icon. I love that you get to experience that in real time. I think that that's, like, the best teacher, but also the best. Like, it inspires you. Like, even as a. Like watching Ms. Lynn Whitfield navigate her career all these years as a woman, a businesswoman, a titan, that she is getting to see that up close, probably. You walked away feeling like, okay, here's the things I need to make sure that I. You know what I mean?
[31:59]
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[32:20]
Chloe Bailey
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[32:59]
Chloe Bailey
Yeah, so that's this book.
[33:02]
Cal Penn
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[36:12]
Lauren LaRosa
Talk a bit about I mean, you guys are in Cape Town. I'm sure there's a lot of behind the scenes moments. You just talked about the amazing community that Malcolm D. Lee puts together. What were some of your favorite behind the scenes moments or stories that you're like, I'll always remember that.
[36:26]
Chloe Bailey
Can I share?
[36:27]
Malcolm D. Lee
Go right ahead. I don't know she's gonna share. Go ahead.
[36:30]
Chloe Bailey
This one in the moment was frustrating, but it's one of my favorite memories from filming. Remember when I had the car with the door so we had to get the shot with the blood splattering on me? Right. And it was gonna be. It had to be like the one because we didn't really have the time to clean myself up or whatever. It was like 3am Right? Almost like the last.
[36:52]
Malcolm D. Lee
And it was cold.
[36:53]
Chloe Bailey
Yeah. Almost the last shot or second to last shot of the night. So I'm like, okay, I'm ready. I'm pumped up. You know, I'm like. My boxing prepared me for this. To slam a car door with the fake head and, you know, the blood splattering, and they said it would taste sweet like candy, so I wasn't too worried. I kept doing it.
[37:08]
Lauren LaRosa
No blood.
[37:09]
Chloe Bailey
Malcolm's like, what the hell's going on? Then again, what's happening? And I'm like, guys, what's going on?
[37:15]
Malcolm D. Lee
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. You hear that? You hear that high? But, guys, what's going on? No, she was like, what? What's going on? Can we get this straight? Please? Get straight. Okay, I've had enough. I was like, okay, y' all better
[37:28]
Lauren LaRosa
make some blood come from somewhere.
[37:30]
Chloe Bailey
I had to get.
[37:30]
Malcolm D. Lee
Keep the fire. Yeah, she was. She. She was serious. Yeah, because, you know, I was. I'm like, outside of the, you know, the shot, you know, the camera far away, and, like, you know, you call things out, but when things are happening rolling the cameras in there, you say, okay, now. And, like, they didn't. Did he say now? You know, and then, like, so, you know, the special practice, people are supposed to, like, hit the. You know, the blood splatter.
[37:56]
Chloe Bailey
But I think it worked in our favor. It worked because by the time.
[38:01]
Lauren LaRosa
Oh, that was real frustration. Yeah.
[38:02]
Chloe Bailey
I was on the 30th hit, and it really helped add. And that's one of my favorite memories.
[38:07]
Malcolm D. Lee
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was tough. That was tough. But she came through.
[38:11]
Lauren LaRosa
So let's talk about, like, you know, we're here with an audience. I asked you guys, you know, when you're out and getting to see people enjoy the film, what's your favorite part about that?
[38:22]
Malcolm D. Lee
I tell you, like, it's. It's like, one of my favorite parts of the process of watching audiences enjoy the movie and not knowing what. What they're. They're about to step into. Like, you know, the moment for me that, you know, I mean, one of them is. Is certainly when we find out that Marcus is the. Is the. Is the husband. Like, that's a great moment for the audience because they're like. They're like. Because they're like, okay, I know I'm gonna see this guy again somewhere, sometime. But then you forget about it. It's like, oh, gives us that creepy kid. And, no, she said she's got to do all this work with this family, and, oh, she's settling in. Oh, no, the little girl is actually not so creepy. She's actually like, okay, all right. And then there's Marcus.
[39:03]
Chloe Bailey
Marcus.
[39:03]
Malcolm D. Lee
What the. Oh, it's him. Right? So, like, I love that. And of course, the other Marcus moment is when Lynn's putting her hands on his waist and people are like, oh, oh. Oh, hell no. And for me, like, when I read that in the script, I was like, oh, shit. I was like, I cannot wait to do this movie. I have to do this and show this in the dick because people are gonna go nuts.
[39:33]
Lauren LaRosa
Well, I'm glad you have. You guys enjoyed the conversation. Yeah, I'm glad you guys gave New York a moment to enjoy the film. I enjoyed the film thoroughly. Congratulations.
[39:42]
Malcolm D. Lee
I'm so glad.
[39:43]
Lauren LaRosa
Yes.
[39:44]
Malcolm D. Lee
We. We worked really hard on it. It's coming out Friday.
[39:48]
Lauren LaRosa
Yes. On Peacock.
[39:49]
Malcolm D. Lee
Peacock exclusively. So please tell your people, get the word out. We're really counting on you to, like, just get the word out about the movie and, like, just, you know, if you liked it, tell me. Tell folks you like the pronouns social media and tell them to tune in on Friday.
[40:05]
Lauren LaRosa
Yes.
[40:05]
Malcolm D. Lee
And, you know, like, let's get. Let's get some watch parties going and put some stuff out on social media. Let's go.
[40:10]
Lauren LaRosa
Let's give another round of applause from our community and Chloe Daily. This Friday, Strung is on Peacock exclusively. Like you said, make sure you tell everybody to go out and watch it. And thank you guys for joining us today.
[40:21]
Chloe Bailey
Round of applause for Lauren.
[40:22]
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[40:24]
Malcolm D. Lee
So brilliant. Thank you.
[40:26]
Lauren LaRosa
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Podcast Summary: The Latest with Loren LaRosa — "Chloe Bailey’s Darkest Role Yet: Inside The Making Of Strange"
Release Date: June 25, 2026
Host: Loren LaRosa
Guests: Chloe Bailey (Lead Actress), Malcolm D. Lee (Director)

Episode Overview

In this insightful episode, Loren LaRosa sits down with actress Chloe Bailey and director Malcolm D. Lee to discuss the making of their new psychological thriller, Strange (also referred to as "Strung"), which debuts on Peacock. The conversation, recorded live at the New York premiere Q&A, explores the film’s unique approach to the thriller genre, the creative process, representation of Black women on screen, and Chloe’s intense preparation for her most challenging role to date.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bringing the Story to Life

Timestamps: 04:36 – 06:31

Malcolm D. Lee explains his attraction to the script:

"I was very much reading the script as if it was a page turner. ... Here's my opportunity to try a different exercise, a different muscle. ... I needed to have somebody who would be a strong leading lady.... I met Chloe on the set of Fight Night... She’s so sweet, so nice. ... She loved the script, so I was like, let's make it happen." (05:05 – 05:46)
Chloe Bailey shares her excitement:

"I was so enamored by [the script]. I love thrillers. I love suspense, and I loved how, like, the instruments were used as weapons. ... I gravitated towards it." (06:00 – 06:31)

2. Balancing Tone & Collaboration

Timestamps: 06:31 – 08:46

Loren notes the film is a "wild ride" and asks how Chloe and Malcolm balanced different tones.
Chloe praises Malcolm’s collaborative style:

"He allowed it to be a collaborative effort where we were also able to pour our hearts and souls into the character.... He let us... never really get stapled to one emotion or feeling. I think that's what really pulled the best out of us." (06:48 – 07:43)
Malcolm on directing a new genre:

"I approach every movie the same in terms of, like, establishing tone first. ... It was nice to not have to cut to the joke on this movie, to just let the characters breathe and let a certain rhythm be established." (07:43 – 08:46)

3. Improvisation & Authenticity

Timestamps: 08:46 – 09:59

Chloe reveals her natural reactions often stayed in the final cut:

"A lot of them would be, like, kind of mumbled under my breath... because I got that lost in the scene." (09:08 – 09:28)
Malcolm points out he had to encourage Chloe to vocalize reactions:

"She didn't want to say, 'what the fuck.' I had to pull that out of her." (09:28 – 09:32)

4. Complex Spectrum of Black Womanhood

Timestamps: 12:48 – 15:52

Loren brings up the multi-layered depiction of Black women in the film.
Chloe on representation:

"There was not one stereotypical black woman. ... I loved how it showed how raw we are as human beings and how, yes, we might be good one moment, but we also have some faults... It explored that in every way and dynamic." (13:03 – 13:59)
Malcolm adds:

"A lot of the characters live in the gray area... Clearly there are villains... but it's very interesting—the dynamic of the audience is always shifting." (13:59 – 15:11)

5. Blackness Embedded in the Story

Timestamps: 15:52 – 17:27

Malcolm emphasizes the script was inherently written for Black characters:

"These characters were inherently... written in the movie to be African American. ... Aspirational, upscale... accessible." (16:01 – 17:27)
The film avoids typical horror set design, leaning into a clean, almost "antiseptic" vibe that’s "creepy in its own way."

6. Learning New Skills: Chloe's Musical Training

Timestamps: 19:44 – 22:29

The music is the film’s emotional core.
Chloe had to relearn violin, despite first learning in fifth grade:

"I had a week and a half to prepare before we shot the first scene in Cape Town." (21:50 – 21:54) "You cannot be a musician in a film about music and not doing the violin properly... I really put a lot of pressure on myself." (22:04 – 22:26)

7. Growth Through Challenge

Timestamps: 26:19 – 27:38

Loren observes the alignment of Chloe’s musical background and acting in this role.
Chloe reflects on the process:

"I was just ready to really drown myself in this experience. ... I can definitely say I'm a better actress after filming this movie than I was coming into it. ... I now have all these different tools... I could just attach to my tool belt." (26:51 – 27:36)

8. Action Sequences & Stuntwork

Timestamps: 27:38 – 31:32

Chloe speaks about doing her own stunts:

"There was a stunt double who did, like, the extra hard falls... But other than that, yep, it was me. … We had stunt practice for about a week before we shot in Cape Town." (27:43 – 28:06)
Malcolm commends her:

"Chloe runs the gamut of emotions... she has to be physical, violent, sexy, innocent, emotional. She worked every day. She had no days off." (28:40 – 29:31)
Chloe expresses gratitude for a supportive cast and crew, highlighting Lynn Whitfield’s dedication:

"[Lynn Whitfield] was giving it 100% just so she could feed you what you needed to properly bring what the scene needed. ... She still has the passion and the fire... and that was really cool to see." (30:34 – 31:32)

9. Behind the Scenes: Memorable Moments

Timestamps: 36:12 – 38:06

Chloe recounts a night shoot with a stubborn blood effect:

"Remember when I had the car with the door so we had to get the shot with the blood splattering on me? ... It was 3am... no blood ... That was real frustration. ... But I think it worked in our favor." (36:26 – 38:02)
Malcolm:

"That was tough. But she came through." (38:06)

10. Audience Reactions & Favorite Moments

Timestamps: 38:11 – 39:49

Malcolm enjoys surprise moments for audiences:

"One of my favorite parts is watching audiences enjoy the movie and not knowing what they're about to step into…like the moment we find out that Marcus is the husband... People are gonna go nuts." (38:21 – 39:33)

Notable Quotes

Chloe Bailey:

"There was not one stereotypical black woman. And it showed all of us in all shapes and forms and levels." (13:03)

"I'm a better actress after filming this movie than I was coming into it." (26:51)
Malcolm D. Lee:

"These characters were inherently... written in the movie to be African American." (16:01)

"I approach every movie the same in terms of, like, establishing tone first. ... It was nice to not have to cut to the joke on this movie." (07:43)

Important Timestamps

[04:36] — How Chloe and Malcolm got involved with the project
[06:48] — Navigating genre and emotional tones
[09:08] — Chloe’s improvisational moments
[13:03] — Portrayal of Black women
[21:50] — Chloe’s musical preparation
[27:43] — Doing her own action and stunts
[36:26] — Fun behind-the-scenes stories
[38:21] — Malcolm on favorite audience reactions

Tone & Takeaways

The conversation is warm, supportive, and insightful—full of laughter and admiration among the cast and crew. Both Chloe and Malcolm highlight the film’s boundary-pushing approach to both genre and representation, and Chloe’s dedication to authenticity and craft shines throughout.

If you’re interested in filmmaking, representation in media, or the process behind creating a thriller led by Black artists, this episode delivers compelling behind-the-scenes stories, technical insights, and a celebration of creative risk-taking.

Listen for more on:

How real-life frustration became performance gold (37:08)
Chloe’s reflections on working with industry icons (31:13)
The power of collective positivity on set (30:15)

"Strange"/"Strung" premieres exclusively on Peacock this Friday—catch it and join the community spreading the word!

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Lauren LaRosa
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[02:10]
Lauren LaRosa
I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything and everybody.
[02:14]
Malcolm D. Lee
You know she don't lie about that, right?
[02:16]
Cal Penn
Lauren came in hot.
[02:18]
Lauren LaRosa
All right, y', all, we're here in New York. We're at the strong premiere in New York. Where are y' all going somewhere else after this?
[02:23]
Chloe Bailey
No.
[02:24]
Lauren LaRosa
Okay. Because this is the hotel room. This is the best stop. Like, this is the best place you'll take the movie.
[02:30]
Malcolm D. Lee
I don't. I don't argue with that. Because New York, baby.
[02:33]
Lauren LaRosa
Exactly. And because I'm here and because you're here. Thank you, guys. Yes. So we're gonna be doing a Q A.
[02:39]
Malcolm D. Lee
And thank you for doing it.
[02:41]
Lauren LaRosa
No, thank y' all for having me.
[02:42]
Chloe Bailey
I got to see you twice.
[02:43]
Lauren LaRosa
I know. Literally, y' all saw me before and after sleep.
[02:46]
Chloe Bailey
You look amazing.
[02:48]
Lauren LaRosa
Them 4ams ain't no joke at the Uber in this morning.
[02:51]
Chloe Bailey
Good.
[02:51]
Lauren LaRosa
You look good. Let me get that.
[02:52]
Chloe Bailey
You look good.
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Lauren LaRosa
Okay. Y' all heard that, huh?
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[02:57]
Lauren LaRosa
So we about to go through this premiere, and people already have seen the movie by the time we walk in, right?
[03:00]
Chloe Bailey
Yes.
[03:01]
Malcolm D. Lee
Oh, yes.
[03:01]
Lauren LaRosa
Okay. Are you excited for the reaction?
[03:04]
Chloe Bailey
Of course. Always.
[03:05]
Malcolm D. Lee
It's always been. It's. It's a crowd pleaser.
[03:08]
Lauren LaRosa
Do you get to watch the react? Like, you know, like, you get to listen to them like.
[03:11]
Chloe Bailey
Oh, we did in Miami. That was the most exhilarating experience at
[03:14]
Lauren LaRosa
that black film festival.
[03:15]
Chloe Bailey
Yes.
[03:16]
Malcolm D. Lee
American Black film.
[03:16]
Lauren LaRosa
Yes.
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Yep. Okay. All right, well, we're gonna see what New York is giving we. We up for. I heard that the American Black Film Festival is a.
[03:23]
Cal Penn
It was. It was.
[03:25]
Lauren LaRosa
New York will be good, I'm sure. No question. So let's go on in now, Now. Alrighty. While they're figuring out the mic situations, I'm Lauren LaRosa. How you guys doing tonight? So we are here to celebrate something really, really, really special. You know, Malcolm D. Lee and Chloe and all of their team. As you guys saw in the movie, they worked really hard to put this together and really hard to tell the story and enter into a space that is like. I mean, it's like everybody wants thriller and suspense and scary right now, but I love to see us doing it. So we are going to have great conversation, great community today, and I'm going to get into their business a little bit. Y' all ready for that? Yeah. All righty. So I'm going to bring out the amazing guest of the evening, Mr. Malcolm D. Lee, director of the film, and Ms. Chloe Bailey, our superstar lead actress, Chloe Bailey. Yes. Still no mics? No, not working right now yet.
[04:25]
Malcolm D. Lee
My voice can carry.
[04:27]
Lauren LaRosa
Yes. All righty, y'. All. So let's get into the conversation.
[04:32]
Chloe Bailey
I'll just project.
[04:33]
Malcolm D. Lee
Okay. You'll project?
[04:34]
Chloe Bailey
Yep. Well, I'll project.
[04:35]
Malcolm D. Lee
Okay.
[04:36]
Chloe Bailey
Here we go.
[04:37]
Lauren LaRosa
So what were you guys most excited about when, when bringing this story to life.
[04:42]
Malcolm D. Lee
Hmm. I don't know. Like, listen, I read the script. I thought it was really forward leaning. Oh, here we go. I was very much reading the script as if it was a page turner. And I just, you know, I kept trying, you know, you don't always do that when you're. When you get a script that somebody says, oh, we want you to do this, or whatever.
[05:05]
Lauren LaRosa
Right.
[05:05]
Malcolm D. Lee
Sometimes it can be very boring. I've been part of those, those experiences. So this script has kept me intrigued. And I thought, okay, let's. Here's my opportunity to try a different exercise, a different muscle. And so that's what I really wanted to do. And, you know, I knew that I needed to have somebody who would be a strong leading lady. And, you know, I met Chloe on the set of Fight Night and I was just like, I was in love with her. I thought she was so, so. She's so sweet, so nice. And then looked at some of her work. I was like, oh, she'd be a great lead for this, you know, and then she just, she. She loved the script. So I was like, let's make it happen.
[05:47]
Chloe Bailey
I'm so grateful that we got to do it together. First of all, thank you, everyone for coming this evening and watching the film. It means so much to us. Thank you, Lauren, for being here with us so we can talk.
[05:58]
Lauren LaRosa
I would be nowhere else but here.
[06:00]
Chloe Bailey
Thank you, Malcolm, for directing an amazing film. I am so thrilled to be a part of it. And I still remember that day when we met on the set of Fight Night. It was still dark in the warehouse and I was like, oh, he's really cool. And when I got the script, I was so enamored by it. I love thrillers. I love suspense, and I loved how, like, the instruments were used as weapons. And I was really intrigued by that. And I just was. I gravitated towards it. So I'm happy we were able to pull it off. And it's now out into the world now.
[06:31]
Lauren LaRosa
The movie is a wild ride, right, y'? All? Yeah, y' all was in here like, uh, girl, what? Right? So it's a very wild ride. Talk to me about how you guys juggle all of the different tones throughout. So for you, you know, being on camera as leading actress and getting into that and then as director, how did you balance?
[06:49]
Chloe Bailey
I think Malcolm did a really great job at keeping us on track and helping us tell the story that we wanted to tell. Especially when, you know, when we're filming all the scenes, emotions are all over the place. It's nice to have someone like, okay, let's keep it afloat and, you know, guiding us to where we need to be. But I think it's also a testament to his directing because he allowed it to be a collaborative effort where we were also able to pour our hearts and souls into the character. And I remember even at the dinner table scene, it was on the iconic Ms. Lynn Whitfield's coverage and she nailed it. She ate it down. And Malcolm was like, okay, do something crazy. You know, feel it completely go above and beyond. And, you know, just gave her a fun take. And that's what he let us do, you know, feel it and never really get stapled to one emotion or feeling. And I think that's what really pulled the best out of us.
[07:43]
Malcolm D. Lee
Yeah, I would say, like, you know, that scene in particular, like, you know, Chloe was just so amazing, you know, in having to just display all those emotions because, I mean, that could have been a very, like, boring scene. You just, you're, you know, you know, talking about the plot of the movie and what they were up to. But, like, the way she reacted, you know, and the covers, the actors really made the thing sing. I mean, so I, you know, listen, it was again, a different genre for me, but, you know, I approach every movie the same in terms of, like, establishing tone first. Like, let's make sure that, like, I'm very clear about the tone I'm trying to set. And it was nice to not have to cut to the joke on this movie, to just like, let the characters breathe and, you know, let a certain rhythm be established with it. And, you know, it's, you know, it's a thriller. It's a little bit of a, you know, a coming of age story, you know, somewhat to a degree as well. So I just wanted to try my hand at it.
[08:46]
Lauren LaRosa
Chloe, when I hear you say that Malcolm let you guys, like, not be stapled to the script in script and how, you know, coming into it it was set up to be, I'm wondering, like, was, were there any moments that we saw on screen that were like, just you naturally, like, not. I guess you would call it improv too, even though it's not like comedy, but, like, things you added that weren't in the script at the moment that made it to the final cut?
[09:08]
Chloe Bailey
It did. And even during adr, a lot of them would be, like, kind of mumbled under my breath, like, almost like how I would react in the moment because I got that loss in the scene. And when we did adr. Malpa was like, okay, I love what you said there, but I want the audience to hear what you said. So I would go over and overdub it in ADR and things like that.
[09:28]
Malcolm D. Lee
She didn't want to say, what the fuck. I had to pull that out of
[09:33]
Lauren LaRosa
her because I know the final scene where you guys are at the table and you're like, they're trying to get the information out of you drinking the water. I was like, she acts like that in real life. Like I could just see you react in that way. So when I heard you say that, I was like, I wonder if that was just her natural reaction in the moment. Now let's talk about the film and how compelling of a spectrum and paints for black women, right? So you go from like the matriarch of the family all the way down.
[09:59]
Cal Penn
Hey everyone, it's Cal Penn, host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast I'm sitting down with Wil Wheaton, who played Gordie Lachance in stand by me 40 years ago and now narrates Stephen King's the Body, the novella that inspired it all. We talk about what it's like to return to a story that shaped his life, channeling his memories of River Phoenix in the recording booth and why the friendships you have at 12 might be the most important ones you'll ever have. I know Gordie Lachance. I am Gordy Lachance.
[10:34]
Chloe Bailey
Like, I mean, even when I was
[10:35]
Cal Penn
a little kid, I was Gordie Lachance
[10:37]
Malcolm D. Lee
when I didn't know it.
[10:38]
Cal Penn
Listen to Earsay the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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[12:48]
Lauren LaRosa
Let's talk about how did exploring those different identities shape the emotional core of the story and the different dynamics between the characters?
[12:56]
Malcolm D. Lee
Oh boy, that's a deep question mark.
[12:59]
Lauren LaRosa
You want to break it down? You want to go one after the other?
[13:01]
Malcolm D. Lee
No. Yeah, I mean, you want to try.
[13:04]
Chloe Bailey
What I love about this film and all of the characters is that there was not one stereotypical black woman. And it showed all of us in all shapes and forms and levels. You know, Layla, she was broke. She had aspirations when she was broke. Then you had Ms. Lynn and Imani and Marcus. You know, they were at the top of their game. So successful then. I loved how it showed Coco. You know, she was a nurse, and it showed us in all shapes and forms. And I really loved that no one was really a villain like even Laila. You really were rooting for her. But then you also were like, what the hell is your problem? And I loved how it showed how raw we are as human beings and how, yes, we might be good one moment, but we also have some faults and some moments where it might not be so tasteful. So I love how it explored that in every way and dynamic.
[13:59]
Malcolm D. Lee
Yeah, I would say that a lot of the characters live in the gray, you know, Area. You know, clearly there are villains. I mean, you know, you know, what's her name? What is Lynn's character's name? Audrey.
[14:10]
Lauren LaRosa
Audrey.
[14:12]
Chloe Bailey
But she's protecting something that she works.
[14:14]
Lauren LaRosa
I was going to say, yes, you can.
[14:16]
Chloe Bailey
You can, like, understand her and synthesize, like, okay, she's trying to protect her. Her throne.
[14:21]
Malcolm D. Lee
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. I mean, like, you know, it's very interesting. Like, you know, the. The dynamic of the audience when they. When they're, you know, they're. They're, like, looking at Leila like, what are you. Why are you doing that? And, I mean, I can't believe it. And then when, you know, she, you know, she gets the big reveal of the violin at the. At the baby shower. And, you know, you know, Imani smiles, like, triumphantly. You know, we had somebody just, like, clap. Like, yeah, that's what you get, Leila. And then, you know, then she starts to attack, like, oh, my God, what are you doing? So then. But then. So I think there's a lot of ebbs and flows with Leila's journey and, like, you know, that we're rooting for her and that we're also, like, feeling sorry for her, you know, and obviously, by the end, you're like, oh, we understand she's made some mistakes, you know, just as all younger people do. You know, it's part of the journey of, you know, coming of age.
[15:12]
Lauren LaRosa
When I watched it, throughout the different characters, I did go from like, oh, like, how crazy are you? How stupid are you right now? To, I get it. You're just doing what you gotta do to get by. Even if I wouldn't do that, like, you know what I mean? And I think. I know for me, as a black woman watching it, I was like, I got women in my family that did some crazy things, but they will always say it was. They thought it was the best idea that they had at the moment, just doing what they knew to do. It's like when you figure out your parents are actually people and not just your parents right now. Talk a little bit about with this being a black led cast, which was very powerful, how that brought a distinct energy and how it shaped the film and the characters to move throughout the film thriller in a certain way.
[15:52]
Malcolm D. Lee
You know, the script was. Was written. Alan McElroy was the writer of the script, and he wrote, I thought, a really good script. And, you know, I don't think it was like. It was.
[16:01]
Cal Penn
It was.
[16:02]
Malcolm D. Lee
Certainly had its DNA in. In blackness and also African American, African culture. And, you know, I wanted to. I, like, I really appreciated that about the script. And so it wasn't like, oh, like, these characters were white and we made them and we just, you know, cast the cast of black, you know, characters. You know, these characters were inherently, you know, written in the movie to be African American. You know, this happened to be aspirational, upscale and what have you. So to me, it's just, you know, kind of the. In the same vein of what the movies that I've done in the past in terms of, like, characters being, again, aspirational, educated and. But. But in some ways accessible. Certainly Layla is very accessible character. You know, she's the every woman in this movie. Whereas, you know, Lynn and Lucien are a little bit more like, oh, they're a little more hoity toity. But, you know, I think that's just the way the script was written and wanted to embody that. It's funny too, because even though it's a Blumhouse movie, that is not a Blumhouse house. You know, a lot of times the Blumhouse houses are very, very creepy looking. And I was like, we ain't got that. We ain't got the, you know, Gilda Lily on that. We could just like, let it be. It was. It was creepy in its own way, in this kind of antiseptic way. You know, everything was very clean, had its place or whatever. So, you know, it's different than like, what a creepy house. You just had a creepy kid inside.
[17:27]
Lauren LaRosa
No, that chandelier in the bathroom. The bathroom scene. I was like, oh, they are. I mean, they're going through some craziness, but they living. They're having a good time. Okay, now talk to me a little bit. Malcolm. I know that, you know, this going into the thriller lane a little bit different for you. What was one of the things that you learned from this film that you'll take back into the other genres that you're most comfortable in?
[17:47]
Malcolm D. Lee
You know, I'm comfortable in this one too. I mean, I think it's. It's interesting the whole time. And I go through this on every movie and like, is this working? Is this, is this, is this. Like, how does this. What is this thing about, like, like, is this, is this, is this communicating? And with this one, I was. I was probably more unsure than any movie I've done in a long time.
[18:08]
Lauren LaRosa
Oh, wow.
[18:09]
Malcolm D. Lee
I'm just like, well, I haven't done this in, like, you know, with it, with a comedy. You know what you're gonna get if you. If you set up a laugh. Boom, they're laughing, right? With a drama or like a psychological thriller, you just kind of, like, are feeling how the audience is feeling. And are they. Are they with you? Are they with the characters? So, you know, I. Well, one thing I have to know that, like, you know, Blumhouse has their own, you know, rules and the way they, you know, make their movies. And they're like, well, like, for instance, one of the things they said was, you know, don't. Don't use so much music. And I was like, yeah, but I'm trying to establish some tension or whatever. The actors are doing so much. Doing so great. I'm like, okay, I'll try. And I tried. Was totally against my instincts, and I was. And it didn't work. You know, the audience was. And one thing we will admit, you know, that the audience is always right. Because the audience is always right. They are. Especially in a genre movie like this. They're always looking. Anything that's like, slightly smacks of a clue, they're like, what does that mean?
[19:12]
Lauren LaRosa
I was doing that to y' all earlier. I talked to them earlier at the Breakfast Club, and it was so many things after the interview, I was like, wait. Cause did this mean something? I was like, no, not at all.
[19:20]
Malcolm D. Lee
But, you know, you have to, like, they're very delicate movies, comedies and movies like this. Very delicate. So, like, the slightest, like, you know, like, overplaying of something or underplaying of something, you'll lose the audience or the audience will be ahead of you. And you don't want the audience to be ahead. You want them to be, like, trying to figure it out, but at the same time be reeled in.
[19:44]
Lauren LaRosa
Let's talk a little bit about the music in the film. Because, I mean, it's literally, like, the heart of the story, essentially. Right. So you said that, you know, you decided to go back to making sure that there was a lot of the music in the film.
[19:57]
Malcolm D. Lee
Yeah, yeah. You know, like, when I talk about that, I'm talking about the score.
[20:00]
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah, the score.
[20:01]
Malcolm D. Lee
There are songs in the movie that were inherent to, like. Like, for instance, like when. When Chloe and. And I'm sorry, when Layla and Marcus first meet, you know, like, those songs were written into the movie. Although not all of them were, but they were at least. At least that the set sequence was. And that was, like, their love language.
[20:19]
Lauren LaRosa
Right.
[20:19]
Malcolm D. Lee
They're both, you know, music lovers. And that's how he got her to, like, you'll be intrigued or what have you. And then, you know, we had Ali Shahid Muhammad and Adrian Young do the score, and they did just this phenomenal job with just, you know, the tones and the, you know, the. Everything about. About, you know, the tension that I wanted to feel. And some stuff was just like a little offbeat. Like, you know, even some of the piano chords they were playing were like a really out of tune piano. And I was like, oh, why? Why that? And. But it just worked, right? You know what I mean? So music is always important to me in a movie and then movie like this, where music is so, you know, at the forefront, which is, you know, how Layla copes and how Layla communicates. You know, it was. It was not an easy thing to do because you have. When you're doing a movie that has so much music in it that's on screen performance, there's a lot of pre recording that has to be done, and they're right.
[21:16]
Chloe Bailey
Correct.
[21:17]
Malcolm D. Lee
And so, like, it was. It was a lot of pressure on. On Chloe. I'm just like, okay, here's the Mendelssohn. The song we're going to play with the opening song, and we're going to. The discussion is on day one. And so you'll learn the violin. You'll be fine. When did you learn the violin? In fifth grade. You'll pick it up.
[21:34]
Chloe Bailey
Oh, yeah, that was a challenge. But we did it and it turned out really well. And I'll forever be proud of it.
[21:41]
Lauren LaRosa
Well, you got to let the people know what you're talking about. The fact that you went and you did lessons again because you hadn't played since the fifth grade. How long did you. Did you have to go back and do the lessons and everything to prepare for this film?
[21:51]
Chloe Bailey
I had a week and a half to prepare before we shot the first scene in Cape Town.
[21:55]
Lauren LaRosa
Y' all give it up for that. Cause she played that violin. Okay.
[21:58]
Chloe Bailey
I would panicking.
[21:59]
Lauren LaRosa
I would text Malcolm.
[22:00]
Chloe Bailey
I would call Malcolm.
[22:01]
Lauren LaRosa
Malcolm, I don't know if I could pull this off. I'm really trying for you.
[22:04]
Malcolm D. Lee
So you'll be fine.
[22:05]
Chloe Bailey
Yes. Because I'm the type of person who watches the movie and I'm like, okay, this is off. This isn't matching. And I was like, chloe, you cannot be a musician in a film about music. And not doing the violin properly, like, that is just not okay. So I really put a lot of pressure on myself as well as a musician, and I'm happy that I had a little bit of musicianship in my back pocket.
[22:27]
Malcolm D. Lee
Oh, yeah.
[22:27]
Chloe Bailey
Because it definitely helped me.
[22:29]
Lauren LaRosa
Not a little bit
[22:34]
Cal Penn
hey everyone, it's Cal Penn, host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast I'm sitting down with Lily Chu, the author of the Audible original romantic comedy Just Kiss Already. It's a story about a forensic anthropologist who secretly writes mystery novels, an actress who adapts his book into a film, and what happens when a meme and a media tour collide with a slow burn romance. It's performed by Simu Liu and Philippa Hsu, and it is an absolute blast.
[23:07]
Lauren LaRosa
When you actually hear the performance, you realize that other people are taking your words and what you thought was kind of a straightforward sentence like the cat in the corner is black. In my head it's the cat in the corner is black. Not the dog, not the gerbil. But someone else might say it the cat in the corner is black. That's always fascinating to me how they just bring in all these different nuances and really make it fun and interesting and distinctive.
[23:34]
Cal Penn
Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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[26:19]
Lauren LaRosa
Talk a little about that for both of you guys though, because another like just sitting here talk, listening to you guys talk about the music aspect of it, I'm like, it's, you know, God does this thing where everything that you do aligns for like this one next thing you're going to do and you don't even know it's happening, right? So you being able to learn that violin like that in about a week. We've watched you master music and instruments for years now, so I mean, you probably could have did it in your sleep, but as you're mastering that within that week, is there any point where Chloe's like, okay, I see what you were doing here because now I'm walking into this role and I can do it effortless, effortlessly.
[26:51]
Chloe Bailey
One I receive that and I thank you for that kind compliment. I think for me, I was just ready to go really drown myself in this experience. And I constantly want to be challenged and pushed so that I can continue to grow and be better. And I can definitely say I'm a better actress after filming this movie than I was coming into it. And I think because I was stretched like in all directions that I now have all these different tools and notes and things that I picked up on that I could just, you know, attached to my tool belt. So I definitely think God was like, ha, ha, ha. He always has those little moments, and I'm grateful that I was able to pull from a little bit of experience for this.
[27:36]
Lauren LaRosa
Yeah. Well, you did an amazing job.
[27:38]
Chloe Bailey
Thank you.
[27:38]
Lauren LaRosa
Now talk to me, Chloe, a little bit about the action sequences.
[27:43]
Chloe Bailey
My favorite.
[27:44]
Lauren LaRosa
Ate them down. And you did all your own stunts?
[27:46]
Chloe Bailey
Yes, but there was a stunt double who did, like, the extra hard falls or, like, you know, the actual hitting of the ground or things like that. But other than that. Yep, it was me.
[27:57]
Lauren LaRosa
So what was the prep? You were so crazy. Yeah, it was me. What was the preparation like for that? Because that was new for you as well. Like, you've acted before, but this is intense.
[28:07]
Chloe Bailey
I had done stunt work a couple of times in the past, and I'm an adrenaline junkie, so I was ready. That's the most exciting part for me. And when they teach you, like, the stunt choreography, it's almost like dance choreography. Same with boxing. It's like you're learning a dance step. So we had stunt practice for about a week before we shot in Cape Town. And then it was go, go, go. And I had a time, like, of course, it was freezing on the beach,
[28:34]
Malcolm D. Lee
and I was like, oh.
[28:34]
Chloe Bailey
But then once the camera went on, I was like, yeah, so those are my favorite. I'm an adrenaline junkie. For real?
[28:41]
Malcolm D. Lee
No, I will say that Chloe, like, she runs the gamut of emotions in this. In this movie, you know, like, she has to be physical. She has to be violent, she has to be sexy, she has to be innocent. She has to be emotional. So, you know, and she's worked every day. You know, she had no days off. Well, that's expected, right? You know, there was. And so we really put it on. I gave her a warning. I said, this is.
[29:06]
Chloe Bailey
Oh, yeah. I was like, I got this. No, he was.
[29:11]
Malcolm D. Lee
But. But every day she was like, okay, we're gonna. Before Chicago, you got to come in a little bit earlier. Then she'd be like, oh, really? Okay. All right. Good morning. How's everybody doing? Like, always a bundle of positivity. And I really love that about her. And, you know, she was really. She just very much ride or die, like, really just kind of gave it her all the whole time.
[29:31]
Lauren LaRosa
How important was that energy for the rest of the cast, though, with her being, like, number one on the call sheet and kind of setting that tone?
[29:37]
Malcolm D. Lee
Listen, you know, I. I think, you know, Chloe's a great example. She had a great, you know, a great scene partners, particularly with Lynn Whitfield. You know, who was like a veteran and. And, you know, you know, a great scene partner for her. You know, same thing with. With, you know, Lucy and who's like a. Just also, you know, just Mr. Positivity, right. Even though, you know, he has to be kind of mean and violent in this movie, he's like, you know, like, every time he breaks character, he's like, oh, you know, like, just. Just like. Like a sprite, you know, just jumping around the set. So, I mean, you know, like, Chloe, you know, had. Had the most to do. But, you know, everyone, we had a really, really great cast. I'm very thankful for all of them.
[30:16]
Chloe Bailey
And I do think you also have to give credit to yourself for putting together an environment of positive people as well, because it wouldn't run the way it did without the production and the crew. And I wouldn't have ran the way I did without my manager with me. She was there with me every step. Oh, my gosh.
[30:34]
Malcolm D. Lee
I would go home like, you got this.
[30:38]
Chloe Bailey
You got this. So I definitely. It was such a community, family effort, and we really put our all into that film. And I'm happy that you can tell and see it, because not one person was, like, lacking. Everyone gave their all. And I kind of shared this earlier, and I think I was so enamored by this because it taught me that no matter how high you get, you still have to put your all into everything. It was Ms. Lynn Whitfield, like, even when the camera was not on her, when the coverage was not on her, she was giving it 100% just so she could feed you what you needed to properly bring what the scene needed.
[31:14]
Lauren LaRosa
I love that.
[31:14]
Chloe Bailey
And that was incredibly inspiring to me because other sets I've been on, other great actors I've been next to, I hadn't seen that.
[31:23]
Malcolm D. Lee
Right?
[31:24]
Chloe Bailey
So she, like, she still has the passion and the fire in her eyes for acting. And that was really cool to see, especially with her being such a legend in the game.
[31:32]
Lauren LaRosa
Right?
[31:33]
Chloe Bailey
So that was. That was really inspiring for me.
[31:35]
Lauren LaRosa
Icon. I love that you get to experience that in real time. I think that that's, like, the best teacher, but also the best. Like, it inspires you. Like, even as a. Like watching Ms. Lynn Whitfield navigate her career all these years as a woman, a businesswoman, a titan, that she is getting to see that up close, probably. You walked away feeling like, okay, here's the things I need to make sure that I. You know what I mean?
[31:59]
Cal Penn
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[32:18]
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[32:20]
Chloe Bailey
that came out, like, because it was
[32:22]
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so popular, I think it attracted like mostly positivity, but the negativity I sucked in like a sponge. And I think it was like critiques of things I liked. When I was like, you know, I was 23 and I wrote this book and it had all my like dorky little cheesy or maybe unrealistic loves in it. And I started to feel a lot of shame about those things. And so for the rest of my career I steered away from those little things that like make you feel pleasure when you read. But I also was like saying no to these parts of myself that I then was like, screw it.
[32:59]
Chloe Bailey
Yeah, so that's this book.
[33:02]
Cal Penn
Listen to Irsay the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcast.
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[34:10]
Redfin Advertiser
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[36:12]
Lauren LaRosa
Talk a bit about I mean, you guys are in Cape Town. I'm sure there's a lot of behind the scenes moments. You just talked about the amazing community that Malcolm D. Lee puts together. What were some of your favorite behind the scenes moments or stories that you're like, I'll always remember that.
[36:26]
Chloe Bailey
Can I share?
[36:27]
Malcolm D. Lee
Go right ahead. I don't know she's gonna share. Go ahead.
[36:30]
Chloe Bailey
This one in the moment was frustrating, but it's one of my favorite memories from filming. Remember when I had the car with the door so we had to get the shot with the blood splattering on me? Right. And it was gonna be. It had to be like the one because we didn't really have the time to clean myself up or whatever. It was like 3am Right? Almost like the last.
[36:52]
Malcolm D. Lee
And it was cold.
[36:53]
Chloe Bailey
Yeah. Almost the last shot or second to last shot of the night. So I'm like, okay, I'm ready. I'm pumped up. You know, I'm like. My boxing prepared me for this. To slam a car door with the fake head and, you know, the blood splattering, and they said it would taste sweet like candy, so I wasn't too worried. I kept doing it.
[37:08]
Lauren LaRosa
No blood.
[37:09]
Chloe Bailey
Malcolm's like, what the hell's going on? Then again, what's happening? And I'm like, guys, what's going on?
[37:15]
Malcolm D. Lee
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. You hear that? You hear that high? But, guys, what's going on? No, she was like, what? What's going on? Can we get this straight? Please? Get straight. Okay, I've had enough. I was like, okay, y' all better
[37:28]
Lauren LaRosa
make some blood come from somewhere.
[37:30]
Chloe Bailey
I had to get.
[37:30]
Malcolm D. Lee
Keep the fire. Yeah, she was. She. She was serious. Yeah, because, you know, I was. I'm like, outside of the, you know, the shot, you know, the camera far away, and, like, you know, you call things out, but when things are happening rolling the cameras in there, you say, okay, now. And, like, they didn't. Did he say now? You know, and then, like, so, you know, the special practice, people are supposed to, like, hit the. You know, the blood splatter.
[37:56]
Chloe Bailey
But I think it worked in our favor. It worked because by the time.
[38:01]
Lauren LaRosa
Oh, that was real frustration. Yeah.
[38:02]
Chloe Bailey
I was on the 30th hit, and it really helped add. And that's one of my favorite memories.
[38:07]
Malcolm D. Lee
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was tough. That was tough. But she came through.
[38:11]
Lauren LaRosa
So let's talk about, like, you know, we're here with an audience. I asked you guys, you know, when you're out and getting to see people enjoy the film, what's your favorite part about that?
[38:22]
Malcolm D. Lee
I tell you, like, it's. It's like, one of my favorite parts of the process of watching audiences enjoy the movie and not knowing what. What they're. They're about to step into. Like, you know, the moment for me that, you know, I mean, one of them is. Is certainly when we find out that Marcus is the. Is the. Is the husband. Like, that's a great moment for the audience because they're like. They're like. Because they're like, okay, I know I'm gonna see this guy again somewhere, sometime. But then you forget about it. It's like, oh, gives us that creepy kid. And, no, she said she's got to do all this work with this family, and, oh, she's settling in. Oh, no, the little girl is actually not so creepy. She's actually like, okay, all right. And then there's Marcus.
[39:03]
Chloe Bailey
Marcus.
[39:03]
Malcolm D. Lee
What the. Oh, it's him. Right? So, like, I love that. And of course, the other Marcus moment is when Lynn's putting her hands on his waist and people are like, oh, oh. Oh, hell no. And for me, like, when I read that in the script, I was like, oh, shit. I was like, I cannot wait to do this movie. I have to do this and show this in the dick because people are gonna go nuts.
[39:33]
Lauren LaRosa
Well, I'm glad you have. You guys enjoyed the conversation. Yeah, I'm glad you guys gave New York a moment to enjoy the film. I enjoyed the film thoroughly. Congratulations.
[39:42]
Malcolm D. Lee
I'm so glad.
[39:43]
Lauren LaRosa
Yes.
[39:44]
Malcolm D. Lee
We. We worked really hard on it. It's coming out Friday.
[39:48]
Lauren LaRosa
Yes. On Peacock.
[39:49]
Malcolm D. Lee
Peacock exclusively. So please tell your people, get the word out. We're really counting on you to, like, just get the word out about the movie and, like, just, you know, if you liked it, tell me. Tell folks you like the pronouns social media and tell them to tune in on Friday.
[40:05]
Lauren LaRosa
Yes.
[40:05]
Malcolm D. Lee
And, you know, like, let's get. Let's get some watch parties going and put some stuff out on social media. Let's go.
[40:10]
Lauren LaRosa
Let's give another round of applause from our community and Chloe Daily. This Friday, Strung is on Peacock exclusively. Like you said, make sure you tell everybody to go out and watch it. And thank you guys for joining us today.
[40:21]
Chloe Bailey
Round of applause for Lauren.
[40:22]
Cal Penn
Thank you. Thank you.
[40:24]
Malcolm D. Lee
So brilliant. Thank you.
[40:26]
Lauren LaRosa
You are 18. So nice, girl. You're the best.
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