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So we are just getting back. Literally last night I got back from Miami. Not my first time in Miami, of course, but my first time at Art Basel, which was fire. So outside of the event that I went there to host, which was. It was like art. Like a. I was gonna say like an art brunch, but it was a blend of art, culinary taste, jazz, Just a lot of good feeling and community on by McDonald's. It was called UN Art House. And the reason why they call it UN's Art House, like, the UNK is supposed to represent, like, you know, the OG in your family who got, you know, all the. They have all the stories, all of the wisdom, all of the jokes. Sometimes a little bit, you know, jokes a little. Go a little bit too far, but they're just, you know, that person that pulls up in your family that is all about the family, all about community, community, and just brings the energy to the group chat, brings the energy to the family function, and that's what it felt like. We had such a great time. I really didn't know what to expect walking into it, because even in, like, our production prep, they didn't really tell us too much kind of about, you know, what to expect. We also. Throughout the venue, there were a ton of different black artists that were featured. I just want to go through some of the artists because they have, you know, they partner with Art House Studios. It's A R T E H A U S. Okay. Yeah. So it's. It's Art House, and then they have Art House Studios, which is where. Which is where McDonald's showcases 30 incredible artists that they worked with throughout. So my event was one event. They had several others. They had a comedy show. They. Which was like a comedy show dinner. Then my brunch event that I hosted with Dometi. Shout out to Doma Domaty. You guys know him from mtv. Chef Kwam, Chef Kwame of Tatiana was in the building doing, like, the food remix for us. I got to try caviar for the first time. But these artists were on display throughout all of the events of the weekend. So I just wanted to shout out some of the artists that were on this way, because the artwork was all weekend. All of the artwork that I was running into and getting a chance to see was just so fire. Like, I went to the Scope, like, exhibit, which is actually on south beach in Miami. I did that right before my flight was over, because I was like, I can't be at Art Basel and not really get a chance to, like, dive into some art exhibits. And, man, like, the attention to detail and just, I don't know, like, you. You look at a painting that someone did and how detailed it is almost looks like, you know, a lot of times these. These pieces are coming off of the canvas, literally. Like, you're. You're living in this artwork that you're looking at. And it just makes me just. I. I remember being in the exhibit being like, this is how you know God is real. Like, you can't tell me God is not real, because look at all this creativity. Like, where else would this flow from but a higher power like it? It makes no sense. So some of the artists, I wanted to just give them a little mention. Howard D. Simmons was featured. Shani Crow, Raina Nerija Rello, Maya Bailey. There was a Fire Andre 3000 piece. Oh, my God. This piece is $40,000. Wow. So this Andre 3000 art piece of artwork that I had seen when I got to UNC's art house. It was probably, like, the first. It wasn't the first piece of art I saw when I walked in, but it was the first one that made me stop and be like, oh, my God, look at this. How did they do this? It's $40,000. It's being commissioned at $40,000. It's called Color in the South. It's by Harold Claudio. And there's another one of Big Boy by Harold Claudio that is also $40,000. Oh, my God. Then there was another. You guys got to check out this artist as well. Her name is Raina Narijai. I mentioned her earlier. She has this painting of. It's like a black woman, like, taking over Ocean Drive was the energy that I got from it. The colors are so rich and fine. And she was also one of the fe. So we're down in Miami and South beach hanging out. Things are going on. It just was a great time. So, you know, McDonald's. Thank you guys for bringing me out. I got a chance to, you know, really experience black excellence. I know people say that, and it's, like, so cliche when people say that, but no, I got to really experience it. I mean, the best of the best in art. I met several entrepreneurs that, you know, partner with McDonald's, people who don't partner with McDonald's as well, too. Ms. Kathy Hughes. I talked about that a bit on the Breakfast Club. So great time. Really a great time. And so many people support the show and the podcast. So shout out to everybody that's listening that traveled from Miami with me and are back here for our first episode after Basel. So, you know, checking in behind the scenes of the grind. I'm feeling rejuvenated. I am feeling artistic, like, creative. I'm feeling like people have so much passion in the things that they do, and people are so gifted. I left Art Basel feeling like I don't want to waste My gift. And I want to get out of my own way. I don't think I'm in my own way a lot, but there are times where, like, I'm not just. I think we all go through this as, you know, whatever you do. An entrepreneur, a career person, a creative, a person that doesn't deem themselves a creative. Anybody with a goal or something you want to achieve, you are always 200, 300% worse on what it is. You're like, critiquing what it is that you're actually doing. When, like I said, I was seeing art this week, and I was like, this is nothing but God. And if it's. If it's in you, like, it's, you know, like it's in you, like it's not on you, it's in you. All you gotta do is let it out, Just live in it. Do your thing, do your art, be consistent about it, and get out the way. That's what I left Art Basel feeling like. So we're checking in behind the scenes of the grind. That's where I'm at with it. Now. Let's get on into the latest.
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So Kehlani was on the Breakfast Club. And let me tell y', all, Kehlani made it clear. Okay, it's Kehlani, not Kehlani, but she was on the Breakfast Club. And, you know, I. I rarely react to our interviews unless it was an interview that I feel like was just either a really great conversation or there was conversation from the interview that I think should continue other places. Now, let me tell y', all, watching Kehlani grow up in front of the camera, because she started so young, like, I mean, she was 17, 18 years old, you know, up there, the star was out of here. Watching her grow up in front of the camera has. Has been one to watch, I will say, at certain points, it's been kind of tough to watch. And. And we talked about, you know, some of the points that I thought were kind of tough for her. Like, I remember when she began having conversations about her sexuality. I remember when, you know, and this is more recent, but. And we talked about this as well. I remember when Kehlani and her child's father were going through it, and, you know, he accused her of being in a cult and, you know, just a lot of weird things surrounding their daughter. It was pretty tough to watch because I think that Kehlani, because she has grew up in front of the world, grew up in front of the camera. There have been a lot of moments where.
And she's young, too, so it's like, not only is she growing up in front of all these things, but I think a lot of time with the younger artists, what'll happen is. Or just younger people in the spotlight in general. What happens is they're online with the fans arguing back and forth. So there's been a lot of times where we've seen Kehlani have to engage in back and forth online when it comes to her and news reported around her and just different things that are happening that I, you know, I've always watched and been like, damn, they put this through it. Like, they. They be putting her through it. And she addressed that. She talked to us just about what her journey has been like over these last, you know, couple years, just figuring out that she needed some help dealing with, like, bipolar disorder and what that really meant. And I thought that this part of the interview was such a good part of the interview because it was so honest about her, not even just realizing that there was something wrong with her. I think the way she spoke about it. Cause a lot of times when people, you know, have to come out and say, like, they're dealing with bipolar disorder or whatever, like, you know, in our community or, like, just casually, socially, when people talk about bipolar, it's just like, oh, you be moody. Like, it's almost like the running joke. Like, yo, she's bipolar. So to be an artist that people don't always love to prop up the way that they should and then have to, you know, get on a platform like the Breakfast Club and be honest about some of the moments that we've seen her go through. And she even said, like, some of the moments she was, like, out of it. Let's take a listen. When did you realize I could be that vulnerable? And was it a hard line to draw, to be like, do I want to be this vulnerable? Do I want to share this experience? I think I've always been messily vulnerable, but I grew up in front of the world. You know, everybody's been seeing me do interviews like this since I was 19 years old. And I think when you're viewing it on the outside, you kind of timestamp. People, like artists get timestamped in whatever version of themselves stuck out to the fan. So there's people who still view me as something I went through when I was 24 and, like, that, too. They'll see me as forever. And when you're 24 at that time, you're also confidently speaking in these interviews because you're like, this, who I am right now. And I get it. Then 10 years later, you're like, oh, my God, I don't know who that person. I mean, it's not. It hasn't been 10 years for me, but I'm 30 now, and I'm looking back at things I said when I was 24, 25, even 27, and I'm like, yikes. Even a year ago, I'm like, okay, like, growth. I'm different now. Now, Kehlani has said she posted to her ex account a few hours ago. So this is breaking. She said, this is One of the best interviews I've done in ages. Check it out. And to be honest with you guys, I really think it's because. So we talk to Kehlani as the artist, right? And when you get to talk about the music and the performing and the, you know, the microscope. She talked about the microscope that she's often under and how that is now that she's a mom. But I felt like in the interview, Kehlani just was able to talk about things that Kehlani was interested in. And I think that's the beauty of platforms that champion not just, like, you know, topical things, but people. Because she was able to come there and just be a person and have a conversation about the things that she's indebted to like, things that she truly believes in her heart, things that she wants to stick up for no matter how much the people drag her. She got into her Palestine conversation and kind of where that took her, and then the things that were taken off the table, opportunity wise, when she spoke out, I think she really just got the. The platform and the space. And. Not that, you know, I can't speak for other places, but I'd watched a lot of her interviews preparing for this interview, and they were great. That she's very personable. But I do think that this interview, it was almost like, by the time we got to talk about the music for real. For real, it was time to go because she had somewhere else to go, because we talked about just the world. And I think a lot of times, like, when you're talking about, like, art and we were just talking about Art Basel, when you're talking about art and artists and creators, I realize that every single time I get the opportunity to just, like, go outside. And I don't mean go outside like we standing on the couches, I mean, like, go and, like, experience life. How much more it helps me and refreshes me and, you know, energizes me, but also the more you experience, the more you grow and you learn. And then it's like, now your artistic lens and you as a person, you're speaking from a different place. And I think right now, Kehlani, her music has always been great, but I think right now, Kehlani. I was gonna say right now, she has the golden touch, but her music has always been good. But I think right now, what we're seeing with her being able to say, okay, I got my mental and my emotions regulated. Here's what I'm not going for anymore. She came in the room, like, and it wasn't even disrespectful or nothing. It was just like, yo, I need to create this space for myself. And I'm gonna just tell y', all, this is not how you say my name. And I felt her because, yo, people be calling me everything on their son. Laura Loren, they be spelling it wrong. And, I mean, I correct people right in the moment. But, yeah, the energy from the beginning was, you know, you come into someone and light your candles to get you. It gets, you know, you home, you cleaning, giving that from the beginning of, like, all right, let me set my energy. And I think when you see a young star rise up, someone who's as talented as she is, who's as successful as she has been for all of this time, right, you want them to get to this place where they know how to come in and control, you know, and set their boundaries and also open up and have a conversation. She was very comfortable, so we were able to talk to her about a lot. Really enjoyed the conversation. But when I saw that she had posted that she also really enjoyed it, I was like, okay, yeah, like, what I was feeling in real time in that room, it felt like she was comfortable. It felt like she was happy to be there talking to. Like, she would have chose to be nowhere else. But they're talking about the things she talked about. Love that for her. She has new music out outside of Fold. Folded got us in the chokehold. But she does have new music out as well, too. The new song is called out the Window, which is crazy, because I feel like in Folded, Kehlani is very accountable for either. I'm done with this. You got to get out of here. But wait, hold on. Did I make the right decision? Am I reacting too soon? Am I just all in my feelings? Maybe we should sit down and talk. But out the window, Kehlani is on the other side. Her clothes was folded. She messed up, and she's very accountable to that. So the dynamics of the songs and the different dynamics in the songs, I think show not only, like, a personal growth, but I thought it was interesting to see her come from both elements and both songs be just as good. Now, speaking of music artists, in other news, man, I don't know if I am, like, celebrating this or if I'm a little sad to see this era go, but Pusha T says that he is done with diss tracks. He says that they are dead to him. So he did a written interview with an outlet called Consequence. They do tv, film, music, you know, all of the Things. And they were having a conversation with him and they got on the concept of diss tracks because, I mean, Pusha T can be reigned as one of the greatest when it comes to dissing someone on a track. I mean, the story of Adidon. We wouldn't have known that Drake had a kid if it wasn't for Pusha T in his commitment to destroying a person. Bar by bar. Chains and whips, Change Chains and whips, which we know has some lines at Jim Jones. Exodus 23:1. That was young money, Drake, Lil Wayne, like he has. And it goes on and on and on, like he. You know who was the song where he went at a. Travis Scott. But Travis Scott tried to go back at him and nobody really cared. And then you also have so Be it, which is on the clip's most recent project. So let's. Okay, let's talk about what Pusha T said. So Pusha T in this interview said, it's kind of dead to me. It's the ransom of what a diss track used to bring. There was a clear winner. Somebody would really bow out. And then that's it. The last man standing. Now it's just a whole bunch of noise. Even after we find the winners, it's still noise. And it's like, man, then what is it for? I've kind of been through that chapter and I'm over it. And I will say, and so be it. Pusha T was very grown about the way he spanked Travis Scott. And I know when we talked to him at the Breakfast Club, speaking of Breakfast Club interviews, when we talked to him at the Breakfast Club and, you know, I saw some other interviews that he did. He talked about his issue, and he says that his issue was because.
I think Pusha T and his brother Malice, and, you know, there are. There are a whole group of artists that are like this, that they come from an era and not even just come from an era, but there are people that are morally built a certain way, and you expect that out of everybody you encounter. But it don't happen in this. But I think watching Malice and Pusha T maneuver everything they did on Let God Sort Them out, which is their most recent album, not their last album. Like, they're done. I think that hearing him say he's done with diss tracks is. I'm not surprised by it. Like, there was a moment in our Breakfast Club interview where we were getting into the whole so be it line. And. Cause he talks about, you know, having this video of Travis Scott and he gonna Share and AE it, right? And I'm like, we like, well, what is the video? And he starts to go in and listen to this. And what pissed you off about Travis Scott so much that you had to mention him on the record? Like, what made you say, this nigga's going too far? Ah, man, it was just, you know, it was just that. That whole coming to. Coming to Paris, you know, he came to Paris during one of our sessions, you know, played his album. And then he, you know, when he left, the album comes out, and, you know, the record that he played, you know, had a verse up there that was, you know, going at P or whatever the case may be. And I'm like, damn, you just left. Like, how you. How you leave here? You know, let. He was on your album, and then you're letting him, you know, play your album for him. You're filming it, and then you come back when the album drops, you got a verse, you know, going at him. So I just thought that was corny. And again, like, you know, that's part of the. I think that's part of just trying to leave all of that behind. And it's like, man, like, that's the type of thing that happens over in that yay world, and it's okay. And they, you know, it's all right. They just brush it off and they be friends and they go hang out together and then, you know, do whatever they do. Like, that doesn't. I didn't like that. That was brought into this fold. Yeah, gotcha. One time they said the verse, the Drake verse wasn't done as of yet. Doesn't matter when it was done. Should have reached out. I don't care when it was done. You added to it. You actually. He actually had a verse after that verse, so you even added to the verse, like, so what's proper etiquette for a situation like that? Just stay the hell away from me. Like, I'm not. I'm not into you anyway. Like, I'm not even into your swag or none of that. Like, it's. I'm not into none of it, so just stay away. And I think even right there, I mean, Malice seems like he's always push. I mean, he. If Pusha T's going. Malice is going, like, you know what I'm saying? Hands down. But it does seem like that's the balance between the two. Like, Pusha T is like, you gotta get him to that point. But once he's there, oh, what's up? And Malice is kind of like all right, I'm gonna let you go, and I'm right here if you need me. But we ain't gonna give them too much. And Malice even said in this interview Consequence that, you know, he talked about how, you know, if you arguing with too many clowns, people don't know what's the circus. You in the circus, and you're doing all the things. You're appearing like a clown, too. So what they're basically saying is at this point in their career and what they've done with let God sort them out, it's just elevated, and they want to stay elevated. Pusha T also said, I'm somewhere right now where I don't even want to make music with other people. Nevertheless, have anybody else in my music or be the focus of my music. What we're doing right here with clips is to me so next level. I feel like the taste level is above everything else. Great taste level on this project. The way they wrote it out, all the looks, all the fashion, everything was very effortless, but very high brow. Pusha T continues even being caught up in the world of it. I don't like even the world of people of the back and forth. If I don't see see eye to eye with you, there's probably things I don't want to be there about, you know what I'm saying? And I think it just, you know, got got to a point with him because he talked about it with Travis Scott. It's like, you realize these are not my type of people. Like, they're just not. It doesn't matter what I say, what I do, how I treat them, how I maneuver. These are not my type of people. And my type of people, I'm going to keep around me and I'm going to protect them and everything else. I don't even want to be around that. I don't even want to, you know. And this project felt very much that, like the few subtle jabs that were mentioned and it was very few far in between, but it was, you know, it was Pusha T and Nala, so it was enough. Very grown. But I don't know, I just.
Cause one thing Pusha T also told us in the Breakfast Club interview that he did with us last was that he got a lot more saved up in the cut. He just be. He'd be sitting on things. It's kind of like, don't poke the bear. And then you poke him enough. And then, boom, we find out Drake got a baby. I don't know, guys. Is this a era that is, you know, going never to come back again. Does it take the right person for Pusha T to take, you know, very tastefully, you know, it'll. It'll be with a nice little, you know, great fabrics will be involved, great food, great travel, great visuals. It'll be with all of the things. But does it take the right person? And what does that mean? Who is the person? What is the, you know, because there's been a few long running Pusha T beefs to get him back outside in the trenches, as, you know, ACG boots or whatever they wear in va. I don't know if y' all wear ACG boots in va. I just said that because y' all close to Baltimore D.C. strapped up. Does he get back Outsider. Do we think Pusha T is no longer ever gonna. I wouldn't even say pick up the pin at another artist, because I think he's always gonna probably pick up the pin. But will he ever put another one in the chamber and let it fly? Will we ever get to hear it again? Let me know what y' all think. I'm Lauren LaRosa. This is the latest with Lauren LaRosa. This is your daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment news, and all of the conversations that shake the room, baby. I tell you guys, every episode, y' all could be anywhere with anybody talking about all these things. But y' all are right here with me, and I appreciate you guys. I'll catch you in my next episode.
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Podcast Summary: The Latest with Loren LoRosa
Episode: Loren LoRosa Takes Art Basel, Black Creativity Wins, Kehlani’s Growth & No More Disses From Pusha T?
Date: December 9, 2025
Host: Loren LoRosa
Network: The Black Effect & iHeartPodcasts
This episode sees Loren LoRosa fresh from experiencing Miami’s Art Basel, reflecting on the power of Black creativity, community, and honoring personal growth. Loren also deep-dives into Kehlani’s recent, revealing interview on The Breakfast Club—focusing on her vulnerability and mental health—and dissects Pusha T's proclamation that he’s finished with diss tracks, considering what this means for hip-hop culture.
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Loren shares the excitement of attending her first Art Basel in Miami, hosting Unk's Art House—a McDonald’s event blending art, food, jazz, and community. She highlights the event’s aim: to emulate the energy and wisdom of an “unk”—the OG family member who brings vibrancy and connection.
The venue celebrated Black artists, with collaboration from Art House Studios (ART E HAU S), spotlighting 30 artists.
Loren shouts out several featured artists, with particular attention to:
Loren describes her emotional response: seeing the depth and detail of the art reaffirmed her belief in a higher power and the immensity of human creativity.
Memorable quote:
“I was seeing art this week, and I was like, this is nothing but God. And if it’s in you, like, it’s not on you, it’s in you. All you gotta do is let it out, just live in it, do your thing, do your art, be consistent about it, and get out the way.” — Loren LoRosa [07:27]
Takeaway: The experience triggered deep self-reflection; Loren emphasizes living fully in one’s gifts and not letting self-doubt block creativity. She encourages listeners—artists or not—to let their passion and skill shine.
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“I’ve always been messily vulnerable, but I grew up in front of the world… artists get timestamped in whatever version of themselves stuck out to the fan. So there’s people who still view me as something I went through when I was 24…and when you’re 24… you’re like, this is who I am right now. And I get it. Then 10 years later, you’re like, oh my God, I don’t know who that person…” — Kehlani [16:41, quoted by Loren]
“Folded got us in the chokehold… But ‘Out the Window,’ Kehlani is on the other side. Her clothes was folded. She messed up, and she’s very accountable to that.” — Loren [19:15]
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Loren discusses the news that Pusha T claims diss tracks are “dead” to him, referencing his interview with Consequence and the evolution of beefs in hip-hop.
She provides context, noting iconic Pusha T diss moments (e.g., “The Story of Adidon,” revealing Drake’s son; tracks aimed at Young Money, Jim Jones, Travis Scott).
Pusha T’s reasoning:
“It’s kind of dead to me… There was a clear winner. Somebody would really bow out. Now it’s just a whole bunch of noise… Even after we find the winners, it’s still noise… And it’s like, man, then what is it for? I’ve kind of been through that chapter and I’m over it.” — Pusha T (quoted by Loren) [21:45]
She pulls excerpts from Breakfast Club interviews with Pusha T, where he expands on his disappointment with “proper etiquette” in the industry, particularly referencing conflict with Travis Scott:
“He came to Paris during one of our sessions, you know, played his album. And then… the record that he played, you know, had a verse up there that was, you know, going at P… I just thought that was corny… Just stay the hell away from me.” — Pusha T (Breakfast Club, quoted by Loren) [24:53]
Loren notes the different philosophies between Pusha T and his brother Malice, citing Malice’s wisdom:
“If you arguing with too many clowns, people don’t know what’s the circus. You in the circus, and you’re doing all the things. You’re appearing like a clown, too.” — Malice (via Loren) [26:15]
Loren sums up: Pusha T wants to preserve a higher taste level, values artistic elevation, and avoids back-and-forth drama. But she leaves the door open for speculation: Could the right rival bring him back for one more legendary diss?
“I wouldn’t even say pick up the pin at another artist, because I think he’s always gonna probably pick up the pin. But will he ever put another one in the chamber and let it fly?” — Loren LoRosa [28:23]
Loren is engaging, honest, and conversational—mixing cultural commentary with moments of personal vulnerability and encouragement. She champions the excellence of Black artistry, celebrates honest dialogue in entertainment, and offers nuanced takes on the culture’s evolution.
This episode energizes and inspires, celebrating creative community at Art Basel, amplifying Kehlani’s journey of self-acceptance and boundary-setting, and exploring the shifting landscape of hip-hop’s combative side through Pusha T’s introspection. Loren weaves insightful analysis with heartfelt testimony—making the episode a must-listen for anyone invested in Black culture, music, and personal growth.