Podcast
The Legal Burnouts
Hosted by Kate Bridal, Josey Hoff, and Rhia Batchelder · ENGLISH
Join former nonprofit attorney Kate Bridal, former paralegal Josey Hoff, and former BigLaw attorney Rhia Batchelder as they get real about all the stuff that leads to burnout in the legal industry and beyond. Through honest, good-humored conversations with each other and their guests, Kate, Josey, and Rhia offer solutions, laugh to keep from crying, and normalize the conversation around burnout.
If you're interested in booking Rhia and/or Kate to speak at your company, firm, or conference, send an email to kate@thelegalburnouts.com.
The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice. All information provided on this podcast is for general informational purposes only.
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Episode 9. Law School Burnout With Rilee Harrison
Sep 13, 202300:36:31Tap to summarizeRilee Harrison, lead attorney and head of marketing at Cain Law, sits down with Josey and Kate to share how he burned out during his first semester of law school. He also discusses how that experience with burnout affected his ability to pass the bar on the first try.Rilee discusses how the entire law school process, from having to get a potentially irrelevant undergrad degree to taking the bar exam, is a recipe for burnout. While discussing his experiences, he shares how he developed h...
Transcribe →Episode 8. Boundaries With Kyle Robisch and Marissa Khetan
Sep 6, 202300:53:20Tap to summarizeKyle Robisch, partner at Bradley Arant Boult Cummings, and Marissa Khetan, portfolio manager at Equal Justice Works, join Kate and Josey to talk all things boundaries. (Fun fact: Marissa and Kate also used to work together as attorneys at the same legal aid organization!)This episode is relevant to anyone who is wondering how to set effective boundaries for themselves or for their employees. With perspectives from both the public interest sector and the private bar, Marissa and Kyle shar...
Transcribe →Episode 7. Overcome Burnout by Overcoming Your Ego With Bob Simon
Aug 23, 202300:39:53Tap to summarizeTrial attorney, entrepreneur, and podcast host Robert Simon sits down with Kate and Josey to talk about how letting go of his ego allowed him to overcome burnout and continue practicing law. Bob discusses the importance of delegation, intentionality, and finding a good mentor, and he and Josey debate the practicality of contingency fees vs the billable hour for attorneys who may be struggling financially.This episode also includes talk about celebrity look-alikes, some light accent work, and ...
Transcribe →Episode 6. Management Methods with Ashley Herd
Aug 16, 202300:47:57Tap to summarizeGood management is key to preventing burnout in the legal field, but most people aren't trained to be managers. Many attorneys who manage others are already overwhelmed by demanding clients and workloads, making learning proper management the furthest thing from their minds. If this applies to you, you're in luck! This week, Ashley Herd, CEO and founder of Manager Method, shares the quick versions of some of her in-depth lessons around management with Kate and Josey, and talks about how ...
Transcribe →Episode 5. 31 Flavors of Burnout With Matt Margolis
Aug 9, 202300:39:12Tap to summarizeMatt Margolis, famed TikToker and Head of Community and Legal at Lawtrades, joins Josey and Kate to discuss how burnout followed him through his career in firms, government, and in-house, until he learned to control the external and internal factors that lead to it. With his trademark humor and enthusiasm, Matt compares burnout to ice cream, talks like a pirate, and patiently waits out interruptions from Kate's landscapers and industrial jackhammers.This episode teaches about the telltale sym...
Transcribe →Episode 4. Bar Exam With Liz Gil
Jul 26, 202300:47:16Tap to summarizeIn honor of bar exam week, bar exam abolitionist Liz Gil gets real with Kate and Josey about the inequities of the exam, and the "breathtaking pushback" she experienced when advocating for change during the 2020 Barpocalypse. Liz, Kate, and Josey attempt to unpack why already licensed attorneys are so determined to keep the bar exam in place: Is it burnout and bitterness from a highly stressful exam that scarred them, a desire to keep the profession exclusive, or something else altogether?Jos...
Transcribe →Episode 3. The Burdens of Race Work and the Power of Self-Advocacy With CJ Donald
Jul 19, 202300:46:33Tap to summarizeCorporate attorney CJ Donald sits down with Kate and Josey to share his story of burnout, which stemmed from both the burden of race work- the extra, often unpaid work of mentoring and recruiting that is placed on Black associates- and from working at an unsustainable pace, doing work he had outgrown. This is a can't-miss episode with practical advice on how to overcome burnout by advocating for yourself and your career, as well as an honest conversation about how firms can increase diversity...
Transcribe →Episode 2. Living Authentically at Work With Tom Stephenson
Jul 12, 202300:42:57Tap to summarizeIn our first guest episode, Tom Stephenson, VP of Community and Legal Operations at Legal.io and host of the Dear Legal Ops podcast, shares why he chose to leave a decade-long career as a firm paralegal for a career in legal ops, and how learning to live authentically helped him overcome burnout. Learn how Tom has navigated his identity as a member of the LGBTQ+ community at work, and created a role for himself that allows him to embrace his most authentic self. The views and opinions ex...
Transcribe →Episode 1. Josey and Kate's Stories
Jul 5, 202300:54:03Tap to summarizeKate and Josey share their stories of burning out in traditional law, and discuss some aspects of the legal industry that may cause burnout to be such a widespread issue in the profession. They also realize they don't actually know each other that well yet: Stay tuned to see whether their friendship continues or blossoms into hate.(Sound quality improves in subsequent episodes. Thanks for bearing with us while we learn.) The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the h...
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