Howie Chan interviews Matt Sucha, CEO of Mindworx, author of the bestselling book The Hidden Yes, and a leading expert in sales psychology and behavioral science.

They discuss why conversion optimization isn’t about making better offers. It’s about removing the hidden psychological barriers that stop people from saying yes.

Matt introduces the powerful concept of the “zone of acceptance” and explains how small, strategic actions can move prospects closer to a decision. You’ll discover how to uncover what’s really holding customers back, design smarter customer journeys, and ethically influence decisions using proven behavioral science principles.

Find the Zone of Acceptance Expansion Prompt here: https://www.howiechan.com/zone-prompt-pod

Chapters:

00:00:00 Selling Courses vs. Removing Barriers

00:07:52 The “Zone of Acceptance” Explained

00:15:55 Psychological Barriers in Sales

00:24:04 The #1 Conversion Killer: Uncertainty

00:34:28 The SURF Method Breakdown

00:51:49 Every Interaction Has a Hidden Yes

From Matt Sucha:

Website: https://mindworx.net/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-sucha/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MINDWORX_Consulting

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mindworx_behavioral_consulting/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mindworx2014

Find Matt’s bestselling book, The Hidden YES, here: https://thehiddenyes.com/influence

Listen to “The Godfather of Influence”, Dr. Robert Cialdini’s episode here:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5dVmBJXmLEqUfArB53hwR8?si=Gk9HfuDCT4SDEufL3WzHZg

https://podcasts.apple.com/ar/podcast/influence-anyone/id1773148427?i=1000732793093

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