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The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins | The Messy Podcast
S2 EP6 | The Right Decision Often Feels Wrong | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins | The Messy Podcast
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Host 1
Welcome back to the Messy Podcast. We're diving into some really thought provoking stuff today. Especially if you've ever felt that, you know, that feeling that, like, tug of war between what you know is right, and then the potential emotional fallout, like from other people.
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Host 2
Yeah, that's a universal struggle. Yeah, it really is. You know, feeling caught between a rock and a hard place where the right decision for you just. It feels like it might send, like shock waves through the people that. That you care about.
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Host 1
Exactly. And that's actually kind of where we are right now in season two, which is you and the let them theory. We're trying to kind of untangle these messy emotional knots.
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Host 2
Right.
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Host 1
So today in episode six, we're tackling dealing with someone else's emotional reactions. Let's take a quick breather for a message from our sponsor.
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Host 1
That was quick. Now back to the conversation. The right decision often feels wrong. You know, this whole topic was actually sparked by a listener story that Mel Robbins shared on her podcast.
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Host 2
Oh, yeah?
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Host 1
Yeah. About a groom just weeks away from his wedding. Everything seemingly perfect, but he's plagued by this. This deep sense of dread.
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Host 2
Oh, wow, that's a. That's a scenario that grabs your attention because, you know, so many of us can relate to that, to that feeling of inner conflict, and we can almost viscerally feel his struggle even without, you know, knowing him personally.
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Host 1
Right. It's like just hearing about it activates those mirror neurons in our brain, making us experience a shadow of his emotional turmoil.
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Host 2
Right.
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Host 1
And that's actually what makes this situation so fascinating from a psychological standpoint. It's like we're not just observing his dilemma. We're experiencing it on a neurological level.
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Host 2
Right.
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Host 1
Which I think speaks to the power of emotional contagion.
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Host 2
Oh, it is a fascinating phenomenon how our brains are wired to pick up on and even mimic the emotional states of others. And this, you know, this can have a profound impact on our own decision making, especially when we're facing a situation where our choice might, you know, trigger a wave of negative emotions in others.
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Host 1
You know, Robbins makes a really interesting point about how this groom's Agony over the decision. His fear of causing pain to others is actually a sign of his empathy. It's not that he's being callous or indifferent.
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Host 2
Right.
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Host 1
He's genuinely wrestling with the. The potential consequences of his actions.
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Host 2
Well, it really highlights the complexity of emotional intelligence. You know, it's not just about understanding our own feelings. It' about being attuned to the emotional states of others. And sometimes that attunement can lead to a kind of paralysis where we avoid making difficult decisions just for fear of the emotional ripple effect.
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Host 1
Right, right. It's almost like we're conditioned to prioritize harmony over authenticity, to sweep difficult emotions under the rug rather than, you know, confront them head on. Yeah, but as Robbins points out, that avoidance often backfires, leading to more pain and resentment down the road.
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Host 2
Yeah. Delaying the inevitable doesn't make it disappear. It just. It just allows those emotions to fester and potentially erupt in more destructive ways later on.
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Host 1
Right, and that's where the let them theory comes in. Right. This idea that we're not responsible for managing other people's emotions, that we can allow them to have their reactions without taking on the burden of fixing them.
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Host 2
Yeah. It's about recognizing that we can be compassionate and supportive without, you know, absorbing their emotional turmoil as our own.
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Host 1
Hmm. Okay, I'm sensing a need for a little mental break here to kind of let this all sink in. If you're enjoying this deep dive, be sure to check out themessypodcast.com you can become a member and support the show, plus explore other podcasts we've done. We've covered top books, Netflix series, even some fascinating biographies. We'll be right back with more on the let's M theory and how it applies to this very sticky situation. All right, we're back, and I'm eager to unpack this let them concept a bit further. It seems a little counterintuitive at first, doesn't it? Like, are we supposed to care about how our actions affect others?
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Host 2
Yeah, of course we should be mindful of our impact. But the let them theory, as Mel Robbins lays it out in her book the Five Second Rule, is about understanding a fundamental truth. And that truth is that we can't control how other people feel. We can't force them to be happy or sad or angry. And trying to do so often leads to more frustration and resentment on both sides.
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Host 1
Okay, so it's not about being indifferent to their feelings, but rather accepting that their emotional responses are ultimately their own responsibility.
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Host 2
Exactly. It's about acknowledging that everyone is entitled to their own emotional experience, even if we don't agree with it, or even if we find it difficult to witness.
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Host 1
Hang tight. We'll be back right after this short break.
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Host 2
See you in a sec.
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Host 1
Thanks for waiting. Let's pick up where we left off. So it's more about shifting our focus from trying to control their reactions to. To managing our own responses.
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Host 2
Exactly. It's about creating a healthy distance between their emotional storms and our own inner peace.
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Host 1
Okay, that makes a lot of sense. But how does this apply to our wedding scenario? Like, what does letting them look like? For a groom who's about to break.
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Host 2
Off an engagement, it means accepting that his family, his fiance, her family, they're all going to have a range of emotions, some of them likely quite intense.
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Host 1
Oh, absolutely.
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Host 2
Yeah. There might be anger, disappointment, sadness, you know, even grief.
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Host 1
I can only imagine the fallout from a decision like that.
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Host 2
Right. Yeah. But by releasing the need to control those reactions, to somehow make everyone okay about his choice, he frees himself to make the decision that's truly right for him, even if it's difficult.
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Host 1
You know, I think that's a really crucial point, that sometimes the kindest thing we can do for ourselves and for others is to honor our own truth, even if it causes temporary discomfort.
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Host 2
Right. It's about recognizing that true compassion. It isn't about shielding people from pain. It's about allowing them to experience their emotions fully so that they can process and move through them.
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Host 1
Okay, I think I'm starting to grasp the subtle but powerful shift in perspective that letting them requires. It's not about being selfish or dismissive but about recognizing the boundaries between our emotional experiences and theirs.
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Host 2
And what's fascinating is that by giving others the space to feel their emotions authentically without trying to minimize them or suppress them, we actually create the conditions for them to heal and grow in a more profound way.
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Host 1
Whoa. Okay. I need a moment to let that sink in. That's a pretty radical idea, isn't it? That sometimes the best way to support someone is to simply allow them to feel their feelings without. Without trying to fix them.
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Host 2
It is a shift in thinking, but it's a powerful one. It's about recognizing that emotions are like waves. They rise and fall, they ebb and flow. And the best way to navigate them is to ride them out rather than trying to control them.
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Host 1
Yeah, I love that analogy. It's so much more empowering than the image of being constantly battered by emotional storms. It suggests that we have a choice in how we respond to those waves.
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Host 2
Exactly. We can choose to get swept away by them, or we can choose surf them with grace and resilience.
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Host 1
Hmm. This is some seriously good stuff, folks. But I think we all need a moment to digest this before we dive any deeper. Speaking of diving deeper, if you're looking for more deep dives into fascinating topics, head over to themessypodcast.com you can support us by becoming a member and explore our library of episodes covering top books, Netflix series, and captivating biographies. We'll be back soon with more on the webthom theory.
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Host 2
Yeah, it really is fascinating, you know, how. How deeply ingrained that need to fix or control situations and emotions is, especially for those of us who are, you know, just naturally empathetic.
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Host 1
Right. Yeah. It's like our instinct is to just jump in and smooth things over, you know, make sure everyone's comfortable, happy. But often that that just ends up backfiring.
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Host 2
It does. It can create a dynamic where we're constantly trying to manage other people's emotional states, which is. Which is exhausting and ultimately unsustainable.
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Host 1
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Host 1
That was quick. Now back to the Conversation. So what's the alternative? How do we shift from that reactive fixing mode to a more empowered and supportive approach?
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Host 2
It starts with awareness. Recognizing those moments when we're getting hooked into someone else's emotional drama and consciously choosing to detach, detach, but not in.
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Host 1
A cold or uncaring way.
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Host 2
Right, right, exactly. You know, it's not about shutting down or dismissing, you know, their feelings. It's about creating a healthy emotional boundary where we can acknowledge their experience without getting, you know, swept up in it ourselves.
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Host 1
Okay, so it's like we're creating a safe space for them to, to feel their emotions without taking on the responsibility of fixing or changing them.
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Host 2
Exactly. And that can be a challenging shift, especially, you know, if we're used to taking on the role of emotional caretaker.
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Host 1
Yeah, you know, I think a lot of us struggle with that. We want to be supportive, helpful, but we also need to protect our own emotional well being.
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Host 2
And that's, you know, that's where the let me part of the equation becomes so important. You know, it's about giving ourselves permission to honor our own needs and to make choices that are in alignment with our values, even if those choices trigger discomfort in others.
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Host 1
So it's about finding that balance between being supportive and setting healthy boundaries.
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Host 2
Exactly. It's not an either or proposition. We can be compassionate understanding while also asserting our own needs and limits.
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Host 1
Can you give us some concrete examples of what let me might look like in, you know, everyday situations?
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Host 2
Sure, absolutely. You know, let's say a friend is, is going through a tough breakup and they, they call you constantly, you know, to vent and complain.
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Host 1
Right.
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Host 2
You want to be there for them, but you, but you also have your own life and responsibilities. So in a. Let me approach you, you might say something like, hey, I'm so sorry you're going through this and, and I'm here to listen, but, but I can only talk for about half an hour right now, you know, because I have deadline to meet.
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Host 1
Hmm. So you're acknowledging their feelings while also setting a clear boundary.
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Host 2
Exactly. And you're not, you know, dismissing their pain or refusing to support them. You're simply communicating your own, you know, needs and limits in a clear and compassionate way.
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Host 1
That's a great example. I think a lot of people hesitate to set boundaries because they're afraid of hurting the other person's feelings or damaging the relationship.
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Host 2
Well, it's a common fear, but, you know, it's often unfounded. In fact, healthy boundaries can actually strengthen relationships because they create a foundation of respect and mutual Understanding.
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Host 1
So it's not about being selfish or putting our needs above everyone else's. It's about recognizing that we all have needs and limits and that it's okay to communicate them assertively.
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Host 2
Exactly. And when we do that, we're modeling healthy behavior for others and creating a more balanced and equitable dynamic in our. In our relationships.
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Host 1
I love that. Okay, I'm feeling inspired to put all this into practice. But before we go any further, let's take a quick break to let all this wisdom sink in. And hey, if you're enjoying this deep dive, be sure to check out themessypodcast.com youm can support us by becoming a member and explore our library of episodes covering top books, Netflix series, and fascinating biographies. We'll be right back with more on the let them theory. We're back. And you know what's really hitting home for me through this whole conversation is that this let them theory, it isn't about becoming emotionally detached or building walls around ourselves.
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Host 2
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because that is a common misconception. Letting them. It isn't about becoming an island. It's about recognizing that healthy relationships require healthy boundaries.
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Host 1
So it's not about shutting people out or becoming indifferent to their feelings. It's about creating a space where we can be present and supportive without. Without getting entangled in their emotional baggage.
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Host 2
Exactly. Think of it like this. Imagine you're standing on the shore of a lake and someone is struggling to swim.
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Host 1
Okay.
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Host 2
You want to help, but you also know that if you jump in and try to rescue them while they're panicking, you might both drown.
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Host 1
Ooh, that's. That's a powerful image.
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Host 2
Right. So instead you can throw them a life preserver or call for help.
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Host 1
Okay.
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Host 2
You can offer support from a safe distance without. Without putting yourself in danger.
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Host 1
So it's about finding that balance between, you know, offering support and maintaining our own emotional equilibrium.
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Host 2
Exactly. And that balance requires us to be mindful of our own needs and limits.
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Host 1
You know, what's really interesting to me is that this whole concept aligns with Mel Robbins 5 Second rule.
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Host 2
Right.
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Host 1
You know, she talk how we have this window of opportunity to make a decision before our fears and doubts take over.
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Host 2
Absolutely. The five second rule is all about taking action before our inner critic can sabotage us.
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Host 1
Right.
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Host 2
And in the context of letting them, it means making the choice to honor our own needs and set boundaries, even when it feels uncomfortable.
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Host 1
So it's like we're using that five second window to override our instinct to fix or control and instead choose a more empowering response.
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Host 2
Exactly. It's about interrupting that automatic pattern of taking on other people's emotions and consciously choosing a different path.
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Host 1
And that path is one of self respect, authenticity, and healthy boundaries.
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Host 2
Precisely. It's about creating relationships where we can, you know, be our true selves without fear of judgment or rejection.
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Host 1
You know, Expert speaker this this conversation has been incredibly insightful. I I feel like I have a whole new toolkit for navigating those messy emotional situations that inevitably arise in life.
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Host 2
I'm so glad to hear that. Remember, you know, it's a process, not a destination. Be patient with yourself. Practice these principles and just watch as your as your relationships transform.
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Host 1
And if you're ready to dive even deeper into this topic, be sure to check out Mel Robbins book the Five Second Rule. It's it's packed with practical strategies for transforming your life and your relationships.
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Host 2
And don't Forget to visit themessypodcast.com to become a member and support the show. We've got tons of other great episodes covering top books, Netflix series, and fascinating biographies.
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Host 1
Thanks for joining us on this messy but ultimately empowering journey, everyone. Until next time, remember to let them be them and let you be you.
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Host 2
That's a wrap.