In today’s episode of On The Line, host Matt Gurney is joined by two guests for conversations about housing, politics, and why governments sometimes struggle to explain themselves.

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First up is Mike Moffatt of the Missing Middle Initiative and co-host of the Missing Middle Podcast. He joins Matt to discuss the much-debated “condo bailout” and why, despite the label, it isn’t actually a condo bailout at all. Moffatt argues that the government has done itself no favours by communicating the policy so poorly, and walks listeners through what the plan is — and what it isn’t. The conversation then broadens into a look at the state of housing in Canada more generally. There are some signs of progress, but the underlying challenges remain enormous, and Moffatt explains why solving them will require much more than a handful of headline-grabbing announcements.

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Then Matt is joined by Andrew MacDougall of Trafalgar Strategy for a look across the Atlantic at the increasingly turbulent state of British politics. They discuss the struggles of now-outgoing Prime Minister Keir Starmer, the rise of Andy Burnham as a potential future national leader, and why so many observers now see the United Kingdom as becoming increasingly difficult to govern. MacDougall argues that the country’s problems run deeper than any one politician or party, and offers his own diagnosis of what has gone wrong.

It’s a pair of conversations about institutions under strain, political communication, and the challenge of governing in an era when public patience is increasingly in short supply.

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