Leadership isn’t built in a boardroom. It’s built through people, experience, and the stories that shape us.In this episode of The Line Podcast, I sit down with Ilya Tlumach, President of JM Lapp, for a conversation about leadership, legacy, and what it means to steward an organization you didn’t found.We discuss Ilya’s family’s journey from Ukraine, the values that have been passed from generation to generation, and how those principles continue to shape the culture and leadership of JM Lapp today.Along the way, we dive into topics every leader wrestles with:The difference between flow and hustleBuilding systems without losing your peopleWhy proximity isn’t the same as presenceHow leaders unintentionally become disconnected from their teamsPreserving a founder’s vision while leading the next generation of growthWhether you’re leading a business, building a team, or simply trying to become a better leader, this conversation is full of practical wisdom and timeless perspective.If you enjoy conversations about leadership, culture, the skilled trades, business growth, and building organizations that last, be sure to subscribe and share this episode with someone who would benefit from it.

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