The Literary Life Podcast

Episode 306: “Best of” – What Is the Literary Life?

Hosts: Angelina Stanford, Cindy Rollins
Original Air Date: December 9, 2025
Theme: The heart and purpose of the literary life, how story shapes us, and the accessibility of great literature for all, with a special focus on the art of reading as a transformative, communal, and deeply human practice.

Episode Overview

In this “Best of” episode, Angelina Stanford and Cindy Rollins revisit the inaugural episode of The Literary Life Podcast, reflecting on their journey and setting out the podcast’s vision. They dive deeply into what it means to lead a literary life, the importance of stories to the human soul, and why literature should be rescued from elitism and made central to everyday living and family culture. The conversation spans personal anecdotes, encouragement for homeschooled families (especially moms), and honest dialogue about both the virtues and challenges of cultivating a literary home.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Is the Literary Life? (03:00-06:55)

• Defining the Literary Life:
  Angelina introduces the central question—what does it mean to cultivate a literary life?—framing it as an ongoing, personal, and universal exploration:

  “Why are books so important? ...Why is it such a vital part of the human experience to engage in stories, reading stories, telling stories? Why do we need that?” (03:00, Angelina Stanford)

• Starting Each Episode with a Quote:
  Each episode begins with a quote from their commonplace books, grounding their conversation in literary tradition.

Notable Quotes:

• On Being Changed by Reading:

  “The first reading of some literary work is often to the literary, an experience so momentous that only experiences of love, religion, or bereavement can furnish a standard of comparison. Their whole consciousness is changed. They have become what they were not before.” (03:10, Cindy Rollins quoting C.S. Lewis)

• On Transcending Self Through Books:

  “I am never more myself than when I transcend myself. …Books help us to get outside of ourselves and introduce us into the deeper reality.” (04:07, Angelina Stanford paraphrasing C.S. Lewis)

• Story as Memory and Tradition:

  “The storyteller is one speaking out of memory, out of more than memory, speaking out of a trust left to the memory of the one speaking.” (05:15, Angelina Stanford quoting Padraic Colum)

2. Storytelling, Memory, and Family Culture (06:55–11:15)

• Books as a Family Anchor:
  Cindy shares how stories provided unity, healing, and escape for her family, echoing the idea that reading together “can take you out of the toxic environment.” (04:54, Cindy Rollins)
• Tradition and Remembering:
  Angelina articulates her conviction that storytelling connects us to the “sacred trust of memories…memories of the world, memories of culture,” re-emphasizing story as formation, not escapism.

3. Taking Literature out of the Ivory Tower (08:36–11:15, 24:15-26:46)

• All are Welcome in the Literary Life:
  Repeated emphasis that “books are for everyone.” Angelina delights that “in the introduction to a children’s book is a deep and profound understanding of stories. …It’s very accessible to us if we know where to look.” (08:36, Angelina Stanford)
• Cindy’s “Leisured Class” Insight:

  “It’s as if moms are the last leisured class…they are reading with their children. And that is enough…to boost you from an uneducated person to an educated person because you are taking the time…” (30:00, Cindy Rollins)

• The Real Literary Community:
  Angelina recalls being stunned at a homeschool conference to find that moms were reading “minor Victorian writers” like Elizabeth Gaskell—writers her grad school professors considered obscure.

  “The homeschool mom is the last reader in America…If there's going to be a renaissance in this country, it is going to be because homeschool moms read a bunch of books that nobody else wanted to read.” (29:38, Angelina Stanford)

4. Humility, Delight, and Self-Education (32:05–35:02)

• On Deficits and Gifts:
  Both hosts acknowledge limitations in background or formal education, but stress the unique strengths parents bring:

  “Every time she reads to her children and says, ‘I don’t really know what’s going on here, but it’s something wonderful,’ [the homeschool mom is] the good kind of teacher. …They’re the ones saying, ‘There’s some delight in here. We’re going to go in there together and find it.’” (33:09, Angelina Stanford)

• The Value of Humility:

  “These books are going to be opening up forever and ever and ever. …Instead of focusing so much on what we cannot offer, I think we should be focusing on what we can give our children.” (34:21, Angelina Stanford)

5. The Shape of the Literary Life Podcast (36:29–41:48)

• Format & Mission:
  The podcast alternates between slow reading of classic books, one-off topical episodes, and interviews to avoid overwhelming listeners and to reflect real life and reading rhythms:

  “We all have lives and…cannot sit around listening to podcasts all day and keeping up with impossible things. …We are not going to…make you feel behind.” (36:29, Angelina Stanford)

• Book Club Plans:
  First book series is Dorothy Sayers’s Gaudy Night—chosen for its exploration of women, education, mystery, and the joys of detective fiction.

6. Personal Literary Journeys & The Power of Books (17:07–23:40, 19:50–21:45)

• Homeschool Epiphany:
  Angelina recounts how reading aloud became the soul of her homeschool after initial “school at home” struggles:

  “We scrapped all the workbooks…the desks, and we went to sitting on the sofa and…I had a stack of books and we just read and read and read everything…It really did reorient us and it helped us to create a family culture centered around books.” (17:07, Angelina Stanford)

• A Life Changed by a Chance Book:
  Cindy shares her transformative encounter with the book For the Children’s Sake, which began a decades-long journey:

  “I see myself reaching down and picking up that book and it almost feels like a lightning bolt is striking at that place because it absolutely changed everything about my life…It gave me a vision and that vision turned into morning time and that turned into just a life where I've read so many books to my kids..." (19:50, Cindy Rollins)

7. The Ongoing Conversation & Invitation (36:29–end)

• Encouragement for All:
  The hosts reiterate: the literary life is for everyone, regardless of education or background.

  “No matter how deficient you think you are, it’s for you too. And we want to help you and encourage you to delight in these books.” (35:53, Angelina Stanford)

• Community and Support:
  Listeners are invited to join ongoing conversations, whether in the podcast, in their homes, or through virtual conferences.
• Upcoming Content:
  The next episodes will feature interviews with the hosts about their own literary lives, a discussion of detective novels as a genre (with a defense of their value), and the beginning of their Gaudy Night reading series.

Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On Book Hoarding and Fertile Bookshelves:

  “There’s something about the books on the shelf. They—I think they mate, and then they grow, and then you need another bookshelf…something’s going on and I don’t think it’s right.” (35:12, Cindy Rollins) “No, I love that idea for the fertility of books. That’s going to be my new freeform poem coming up.” (35:46, Angelina Stanford)

• On the Literary Life’s Real Goal:

  “We want to encourage anyone that the literary life is for them…We want to help you and encourage you to delight in these books…maybe help to elucidate the things that seem like there’s something good here, but I don’t really get it. Maybe we can work our way through those things…” (35:53–36:29, Angelina Stanford)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:00] Defining the Literary Life & Opening Quotes
• [04:54] Books as Unity and Healing for Families
• [08:36] Literature is for Everyone—Escaping Elitism
• [17:07] Transforming a Homeschool Through Reading Aloud
• [19:50] Cindy’s “Lightning Bolt” Book & The Start of Morning Time
• [24:15] Disillusionment with Academia and Homeschool Literary Community
• [29:38] Homeschool Moms as the Last Readers
• [32:05] Focusing on Gifts Over Deficits
• [36:29] Podcast Structure & Encouragement for Listeners
• [38:34] First Book Series: Gaudy Night
• [41:37] What’s Next: Upcoming Episodes & Conferences
• [43:32] Closing Format: Poems Read Aloud

Special Ending Feature

Each episode ends with a poem read by Thomas Banks (poet and new co-host), enhancing the podcast’s celebration of the spoken word. In this episode:

• The Truisms by Louis MacNeice, read at [46:08].

“Then he left home, left the truisms behind him...Met love, met war, sorter, disappointment, defeat, betrayal, till through disbeliefs he arrived at a house he could not remember seeing before, and he walked straight in. It was where he had come from, and something told him the way to behave. He raised his hand and blessed his home, and a tall tree sprouted from his father's grave.”

Conclusion

The Literary Life Podcast champions the idea that literature is not the domain of academics or experts—but an act of communal remembering and shared delight, deeply embedded in ordinary life. Through warmth, wit, and lived experience, Angelina and Cindy offer encouragement, practical wisdom, and intellectual companionship for anyone ready to discover (or recover) a reading life.

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