From Postpartum Depression to a Global Movement

Summary

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Living Your Legacy – Women in Power Edition

Episode: From Postpartum Depression to a Global Movement
Host: Rudy Mawer
Guest: Jodi Selander, Founder of Postpartum Expert
Release Date: June 1, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Living Your Legacy" features an in-depth, candid conversation with Jodi Selander, a pioneer in postpartum care and maternal wellness, best known for founding Postpartum Expert. Jodi shares her personal journey from postpartum struggle to empowering thousands of families worldwide, discussing the realities of postpartum depression, the lack of systemic support for new mothers, and her creation of a global movement advocating for better postpartum care, education, and practical support.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Redefining Postpartum Depression

• Misconceptions and Manifestations

  • Postpartum depression is not always "sitting around crying" but often includes anxiety, fear, and overwhelm.
  • Symptoms: Fear of being alone with the baby, anxiety when the partner leaves, reluctance to let others hold the baby, and an inability to make simple decisions.
  • “It doesn’t necessarily mean sitting around crying. It can manifest as anxiety... fear of being alone with the baby.” – Jodi [00:00]

• Timing of Diagnosis

  • Official diagnosis cannot be made until six weeks postpartum, often leaving women unsupported and suffering during a critical period.
  • “Postpartum depression can't be diagnosed until six weeks postpartum. So she's going to have to be suffering for a while.” – Jodi [14:45]

2. Gaps in the System – Lack of Practical Support

• Cultural Differences and Missed Opportunity

  • Jodi points out how U.S. systems prioritize seeing the baby over supporting the mother, and highlights better models in countries like Sweden where midwifery and practical support are standard.
  • “We don’t even separate puppies from their mothers for eight weeks. Why are we separating women from their babies at six?” – Jodi [00:33, 16:46]

• The “Cascade of Interventions” in Hospital Births

  • Hospital policies can lead to a series of medical interventions, often ending in surgical births.
  • “When you go into a hospital... what happens is what they call a cascade of interventions... maybe they need a little Pitocin... then baby gets into distress... and pretty soon you’re having a surgical birth.” – Jodi [04:29]

3. Jodi’s Path: From Personal Struggles to Advocacy

• Personal Birth & Recovery Experience

  • Jodi’s own difficult first postpartum experience led her to explore alternative solutions like placenta encapsulation.
  • All three of her children were born outside of hospitals (first in a birth center, then at home with midwives).
  • She describes midwives as experts in “normal birth,” with 95% of births not needing intervention. [06:15]

• Placenta Encapsulation

  • Jodi introduced the practice to her own recovery, noticed rapid physical and emotional improvement, and eventually began supporting others.
  • “My midwife, when she did my postpartum check, even noticed how fast I was recovering physically, and I felt great.” – Jodi [11:00]
  • Women who struggled postpartum were particularly willing to try placenta capsules after hearing Jodi’s story.

• From Service to Movement

  • Started as a practical service, word-of-mouth demand led to educational outreach, a popular information website, hospital advocacy, and eventually clinical research.
  • “I did the first one and it was amazing. And then she told her friend, and her friend, and so it was woman after woman after woman…” [12:19]
  • Jodi has worked with thousands of families in 20 years. [13:01]

4. What True Support Means: Postpartum Doulas and Practical Help

• Practical, Hands-on Support

  • Jodi provides and teaches the value of hands-on help – laundry, meal prep, tidying the house – not just “holding the baby.”
  • “If people are gonna come over and see the baby, do a load of laundry, get the dishes out of the sink... help her out.” – Jodi [15:47]
  • Dads/partners often become the biggest fans because they see the tangible benefits of better-supported mothers. [14:06]

• Postpartum Plan Is Essential

  • Jodi emphasizes preparing postpartum plans, not just birth plans, and offers tools and courses for couples to align expectations and support strategies.
  • “You have a birth plan. Where’s your postpartum plan? Because the postpartum plan lasts a lot longer than the birth, right?” – Jodi [19:55]

5. The Reality of Postpartum Challenges and Joys

• The Range of Emotional Responses

  • The “baby blues” (first 2–3 weeks) affect up to 80% of women, but persistent symptoms beyond six weeks require intervention. [26:00]
  • Ambivalence, guilt, rage, and profound protectiveness can all be part of the experience.
  • “I had what’s now being called postpartum rage... I would get really upset over things ... you’re so in it, like, you can’t stop.” – Jodi [24:13]

• Hope, Growth, and Finding Joy

  • While stress and overwhelm are real, joy is immediate; the goal is to minimize stress so that joy isn’t clouded.
  • “The joy is there immediately. Like, immediately. Right. It’s all the other stuff that add stress to that moment. So if we can minimize that stress... then the joy is there.” – Jodi [22:14]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Cultural Shifts:
  “If our way of birthing in this country were the best way, we’d have the best maternal infant mortality rates. Right? We don’t.” – Jodi [10:14]

• On Placenta Encapsulation:
  “I always say I have the best job in the world.” – Jodi [13:12]
  “With the placenta encapsulation, placenta capsules help level a lot of that out... I’ve had women say they feel the effects within 30, 60 minutes.” – Jodi [24:48]

• On Mother Guilt and Internalization:
  “We as women tend to internalize that. Like, ‘Why can’t I handle this? I’m not doing a good enough job.’ Mom guilt is a real thing.” – Jodi [16:58]

• On Practical Help:
  “Maybe people don’t know what to do, but I do it.” – Jodi [19:55]

• On Perfectionism:
  “Perfectionism. You’re never gonna have that again. I’m sorry. In parenting, maybe by your third kid. No, it just takes out. It’s bye. Wow.” – Jodi [29:01]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic / Memorable Quote | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Symptoms and misconceptions about postpartum depression | | 06:07 | Hospital birth interventions, midwifery, and birth choices | | 11:00 | Discovery and benefits of placenta encapsulation | | 13:01 | Scope of Jodi’s impact: thousands of families, two decades of work | | 15:47 | Practical support vs. “help” – what mothers really need | | 19:55 | The importance and definition of a postpartum plan | | 22:14 | The immediacy of joy, and how to reduce stress so it isn’t clouded | | 24:13 | The reality of postpartum rage and other manifestations | | 26:00 | Differentiating “baby blues” from clinical postpartum depression | | 28:15 | Key takeaway: “postpartum support matters” | | 29:01 | On perfectionism and parenting: “It’s bye. Wow.” |

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How to Connect and Learn More

Website:

• postpartumexpert.com — A resource hub for parents, families, and professionals, with directories for local postpartum practitioners, training courses, and educational materials.

Books & Courses:

• "The Postpartum Survival Guide"
• Postpartum Encapsulation Specialist training
• The Postpartum Survival Course for couples

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers a raw, compassionate, and deeply practical look into the gaps in postpartum support and what real help looks like. Jodi’s vulnerability about her own struggles, combined with decades of hands-on experience, gives listeners both hope and a roadmap for better maternal care—at home, in hospitals, and beyond. Whether you’re preparing for parenthood, supporting a loved one, or seeking ways to improve the culture of birth and postpartum care, Jodi’s insights are an invaluable guide.

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Transcript

[A]

Postpartum depression can't be diagnosed until six weeks. Postpartum, it doesn't necessarily mean sitting around crying. It can manifest as anxiety, fear of being alone with the baby, or so fear of your person leaving the house and leaving you alone with the baby. In offering support during this time, you need to try and make it as easy on the person as possible.

[B]

Jordi Solander is a trusted, experienced and compassionate postpartum expert and maternal wellness advocate. Best known as the founder of Postpartum Expert, where she helps mothers through postpartum recovery and healing.

[A]

Postpartum support matters. We just don't do a good job. We don't provide practical support. Everyone wants to come see the baby, come see the baby, come help. Yeah. You know, do something practical for her, you know, and we don't even separate puppies from their mothers. Wow. For eight weeks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why are we separating women from their babies at six?

[B]

Yeah. It's spans the globe like a super high cold Internet Elvis. Brandon, Today, Apple is going to reinvent the fall. It's not over until I win. The Living youg Legacy podcast. For those who live to leave a legacy that's extraordinary. The impossible has happened. Oh, that is sensational. Jordan Open Chicago. With the lead Usain Paul is the fastest man on the planet. Live your dream. Welcome to another episode of the Living youg Legacy podcast, the Women in Power edition. Joining me today is Jody.

[A]

What was your last week at Jody Sealander?

[B]

I wanted you to see that to confirm because that's quite the last name.

[A]

Jodi, you have been founder of Postpartum. Expert is the umbrella brand for a few different of my companies, but that is what we're doing.

[B]

Right on. Jodi, welcome to Inside Success. You just finished filming your episode for Women in Power. How do you feel?

[A]

I'm glad it's over.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

I shut up.

[B]

I still feel a little bummed.

[A]

No, I feel good. It was. I. I shared a lot. And, you know, I'm not used to sharing my personal story. Sure. But it feels good to put it out there. And my purpose in sharing is that if it resonates with somebody, then great. You know, it'll resonate with who it needs to. And people who need to receive it will receive the message.

[B]

Right on. When does your message begin? Or when did you start receiving your message?

[A]

So my journey into postpartum care started after the birth of my first child when I realized there's a lot of emphasis put on childbirth education and birth and literally nothing for when postpartum happens. And the postpartum period is actually the first 12 months after a baby is born. So that's a lot longer than people tend to think.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So when I found out that there was little support and little education and things like that, it really inspired me to want to do more.

[B]

What's happening today? When a child is born, what immediately happens? Is it a peaceful process? Is it a grueling process from the child? For the parent, it doesn't seem very pleasant, does it? Let's start there. Earth is quite the experience. Before we get into the post.

[A]

I was born, so I'm, I was

[B]

just like, I, I just, I apologize because I'm not a father. So I'm, I, I, I haven't experienced this myself, but I would like to. I, from what I experienced, my friends have had their families and they've always got this awful story of something happening. It wasn't great. And then there is the, the, the lingering months afterwards. Can you walk us through what, why this happens, why it's so common, and why you're here to, to do what you do, to inform us, to educate us.

[A]

Well, how much time do we have? 20 minutes.

[B]

All right, I'll nod and smile because that's my first loaded question.

[A]

Yeah. Well, birth is intense.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right. So you want to go into it feeling empowered. You want to make sure that you have information that you need. If you're going to go into a hospital to deliver your baby, you are going to need to advocate for yourself. Hospitals have policies, and those policies are for the hospital, not necessarily for the woman or the birthing person. And a lot of times when you go in, they, what happens is what they call a cascade of interventions. Right, got it. So you go in and you kind of interrupt this natural process. And then one thing starts. Like, maybe they need a little Pitocin, and then that is a very strong contracting medicine. So then maybe baby gets into distress because the contractions are too hard or too intense. And then that leads to another thing and another thing and another thing, and then pretty soon you're having a surgical birth. Oh, boy. So when you go to a hospital and you go to an OB gyn, an OB GYN is a surgeon. So if you go to a surgeon to give birth, they're going to want to have a surgery. Right. I mean, that's what they're trained for. That's what, you know, whatever keeps lights on. So, so unfortunately, that's kind of how our hospital thing. Now, I am an advocate for the women.

[B]

Right, right, right.

[A]

So my belief is that you need to go and deliver that baby where you feel safe.

[B]

Perfect.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Got it.

[A]

So I made the choice. I had all out of hospital births. My first was born in a birth center. My last two were born at home with all of them with midwives.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So midwives are practiced in what they call normal birth, which is 95% of births go very normally. There's 5% that need intervention. And so a midwife, if you have a midwife, she's going to know what's normal and what's looking normal and how things are progressing. And then she's going to know when things are going a little bit sideways and maybe that, you know, you need to transport and finish delivering the baby in the hospital. There are options and unfortunately a lot of women are not aware of all the options. You just, you do what you know. And what we know now is going into the hospital and, you know, women who want to have a natural or, or unmedicated birth, it's difficult to do in a hospital. So if you want that, then be prepared to advocate. And if you're like, nope, no thanks, then you know you're going to have the birth experience that you want.

[B]

Sure, sure. I gotta ask. I'm sure that's very beneficial for the mother and for the child to have a nice, serene, quiet.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Water birth. I, I was, I, I, let's talk about Tom Cruise. There's this funny meme or a story that when, when his daughter was born, he was in the room holding a sign like, like, oh, like, I guess he was, he was one of these. And it, but it's Tom Cruise. Everything's a little warped. Sorry for giving you the, this, this a random story. That's my perception of what you do, and that's, that's why I'm giving you this setting. I'm like, well, I, I can't, I think I understand what you do, but I actually do because when YouTube was born, I was curious about how babies were made and like births and stuff like that. Not, not in the sense of like in, in, in the, in the negative way. But no, really, like, I was, I, I heard about father births and being born at home and like a bathtub. And I was quite curious. And I was also quite curious. So you can see full notity on YouTube. Well, I was doing research. I'm like, holy, that woman's giving birth. And I was like, 17, 18, or whatever. YouTube was day one. And I was like, yeah, it's really neat that I could learn this way. Why isn't this more common besides, you know, hospitals, you know, just ringing you up and you're just another invoice. Why is this practice not more common, and why isn't it not celebrated more? What's the stigma?

[A]

I don't think that there is a stigma so much as there is a lack of awareness, clearly. Yeah. Normal birth is typically. Used to be typically attended by midwives. And then around the 40s and 50s, hospitals started becoming a thing, and they wanted to have a revenue stream. Right. Wow. So what's a better revenue stream? Women are always having babies. Right. So they wanted to bring women into the hospitals to have their babies. And so it began a bit of a, you know, it's probably before that, but it began a propaganda campaign.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So there, of course, hospitals make money, and so they have money, and so they can pay for commercials and things like that. They did stigmatize midwives as, like, crazy women and witches and things like that. Anytime. Anytime you have a woman in power, a lot of times the word witch is not too far behind because that

[B]

isn't anything wrong with that.

[A]

I'm done with it, you know, so, you know, there was a big propaganda campaign, bring women to the hospitals. And so ever since then, that's become our. Our culture now, if. And people are like, oh, it's the safest way. It's the best way. If our way of birthing in this country were the best way, we'd have the best maternal infant mortality rates. Right? Right. We don't.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[A]

We're, like, way down the list.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes. So in places like Sweden and things, their mode of operating is midwifery care. So they start their birth with a midwife. Their hospitals are staffed around the clock with surgeons and anesthesiologists, so they're always on staff. So when a midwife needs to bring the woman in for intervention in a hospital, everybody's there, they're on, they're ready, they know what they're doing, and they have the best maternal and infant mortality rates.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So that's my little speech.

[B]

What is your. What is your process? Like, how do folks find you? What's the journey to discovering you and what you do?

[A]

So when I started, the whole thing started back when my second baby was born. I had learned about placenta encapsulation from acupuncturist and practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine. So I learned that in traditional Chinese medicine, you can take the placenta and do a process on it. You end up with capsules. It's a supplement. You Take that supplement postpartum for a couple weeks, and it helps level everything out. It helps you have a better and faster postpartum recovery. So when I had my second baby, I did it and I didn't tell anybody what I was doing because it was weird and taboo, Right? Sure. But my midwife, when she did my postpartum check, even noticed how fast I was recovering physically, and I felt great. So my thing was just to tell her, hey, you know, I tried this. It worked. You know, back then, nobody's heard of it. So I didn't have any first time moms have any interest because they're like, I think I'm going to take my chances.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But if a woman had a story like mine where she struggled postpartum because I had a hard time after my first baby was born, you're kind of willing to try anything not to feel that way again. And so I would have women who are like, hey, I want the capsules, I want the benefit.

[B]

Gotcha.

[A]

I don't want to touch my placenta. Wow. Right. So I was like, well, I'll do it for you. And just kind of off the cuff. And then I was like, wait, what? Did what? So I did the first one and it was amazing. And then she told her friend and her friend, and so it was woman after woman after woman having a good experience with these capsules and really swearing that they helped them. And so that's when I started placentabenefits.info. just wanted to share the information. Sure. And then that led to hospital advocacy because we had situations where hospitals refusing to release placentas. And then that led to research out of UNLV. And I've been doing this 20 years.

[B]

20 years?

[A]

20 years. That baby is about to turn 20 in a couple weeks.

[B]

How many babies have you worked with? How many families? How many transformations?

[A]

Thousands.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. Over that time.

[B]

How does it feel?

[A]

Amazing. No, it really is. I always say I have the best job in the world.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I. I provide a service where, you know, I go into the home and, you know, they've just had a baby or just brought the baby home, and sometimes there'll be four generations there. And like, what are you doing? What's with the placenta? Like, you know, and so I have a chance to show them and they're like, oh, wow, that's actually kind of cool.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And then share the process. And then, of course, you know, she ends up with these capsules that she can take and just feel so much better. Just more like herself, instead of like this. Up and down, up and down, up and down. Right. Because the immediate transition after delivering the baby is huge fluctuations, like, a lot going on, and the capsules kind of just level things out.

[B]

Right, Right.

[A]

And it's funny because dads end up being the biggest fans of the whole thing. Right? Because they'll. They'll be like, thank you so much. You know, they'll be like, oh, have you taken your capsules today? And she's like, no, you just want to take. So, you know, so they see the difference, you know, because you know when you're. When your person isn't feeling themselves. Right. And so it ends up being beneficial for the entire family.

[B]

I got to ask. What. What is the number one symptom of postpartum depression? Like, why does it happen? Is it necessary? Educate me a little, because clearly, I get to experience this with my partner.

[A]

Sure. So postpartum depression can't be diagnosed until six weeks postpartum. So she's going to have to be suffering for a while.

[B]

What do you mean, suffering? Suffering or because of the disconnection of the child?

[A]

This is a great question. So people think postpartum depression. Okay, that is one. However, it doesn't necessarily mean sitting around crying. Okay. Women can have. It can manifest as anxiety. So fear of being alone with the baby or. So fear of your person leaving the house and leaving you alone with the baby. Fear of other people being around the baby so they don't want to have the baby around other people or let grandma hold the baby or things like this. A lot of anxiety. It can be just a sense of complete overwhelm, inability to make decisions, like, what do you want to. Like, you can't think clearly. Right. Like, I don't know what I want.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And so it's in offering support during this time, you need to try and make it as easy on the person as possible. So, like, if people are gonna come over and see the baby, do a load of laundry, get the dishes out of the sink, you know, I mean, help her out. Because I can't tell you how many times I go into the home and she's up, the three other kids are running around. She's got the baby on her hip, swear to God. There's this one time I was sitting there playing video games. Both times I was over, I'm like, man, get off the couch and help her. Like, it's. It's wild to me. And, you know, another time, the mother and the partner were there, and she comes out lugging a whole thing of laundry. I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm going to the laundromat because we need. When is your mom now? Is your husband? Yeah.

[B]

Where's the tribe? Yeah.

[A]

Like, there's women in Alfred. No support.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And a lot of times it's like, oh, I have six weeks off. Okay. We don't even separate puppies from their mothers for eight weeks. Yeah. Why are we separating women from their babies at six?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's ridiculous. So there's a lot of stress and tension, and then. Yeah. You have this baby and you have. Sometimes there's attachment stuff going on. But a lot of times, you had never felt a love like this before. It's overwhelming. You want to keep them safe. You want to do everything. Right. Everything has to be perfect. Right. And a lot of times, if you're struggling, we as women tend to internalize that. We don't look for an external source. Like, maybe I don't have support. It's. Why can't I handle this? I'm not doing a good enough job. Right. And so. And mom, guilt is a real thing. I feel guilty for everything. So in seeing this and knowing this, then I was. I do offer placenta encapsulation, and I have the placenta encapsulation specialist training course because I want other women to have a business. You know, we want to have a business. We want to have an income stream, and we want to do something where we can set our own hours and we can be there for our kids and, you know, not be away for eight hours or ten hours a daypreneurs.

[B]

Mediapreneurs.

[A]

Right. So I do offer the training course because then you can learn how to do it. You can help families. But I also provide a variety of support. A lot of people have heard about birth doulas, right. A doula where they go in and they're with the woman. Doula literally means with woman. And they're with the woman during the labor and delivery. Sorry. But there's a postpartum doula. So a postpartum doula comes in and helps offers practical support. So I describe it as being like your favorite auntie who actually knows what's going on. I walk into the home, and I can see immediately. Right. What needs to happen here to help her feel safe, secure, calm. Right. If there's chaos, where's the chaos? Like, let's tackle this. Right? So I do all kinds of things for families. I do meal prep. I put something in the crock pot so they can eat when they're ready. I put things together so, you know, they can just toss it in the oven. I do. I make sure mom and baby have, you know, clean clothes and bedding. And, you know, if I walk in, I don't tend to take the baby because I'm there to take. Make sure mom can take care of baby for sure. But if she hasn't slept and she's like, I just need a nap, like, I'll take the baby and let her sleep or get a shower or, you know, things like this. So in calming that overwhelm and in providing practical support. This is a big thing I talk about in my book, the postpartum survival guide is you need people around you who are going to offer practical support. So if your mom's gonna come in,

[B]

cook dinner or something.

[A]

Yeah. Like, and be helpful, great. But, you know, if your mom is gonna come in and, you know, oh, you need to be doing this and you need to be doing it that way, and here, I'll just take the baby and, you know, think that's not practical support, you know, and so I just feel like the practical part of it gets lost in things. And maybe people don't know what to do, but I do it. In the. In my book, I do start people to couples. I want them to read it while they're pregnant, because then it starts them putting together their postpartum plan. And you have a birth plan. Where's your postpartum plan? Because the postpartum plan lasts a lot longer than the birth, right? Oh, yeah. So start thinking about it now and put it together now. And then get. Make sure that you and your partner and your expectations of each other are in alignment. For sure.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Because if you are, like, just expecting, you know, your partner is going to be doing XYZ and your partner is thinking you're going to be doing xyz, and then it's. Yeah. Conflict. Right. And we don't need that when we're dealing with everything else and we're sleep deprived. Oh, yeah. Right. So get it together now. And I do have a course, the postpartum survival course, where I teach couples how to do this. Like, have you thought about this? Let's have that discussion, you know, and just educating. It's all education.

[B]

I definitely learned a lot.

[A]

Yeah, I definitely have.

[B]

I'm growing from Tom Cruise, from Jody.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Ascending.

[A]

Maybe it is the Ascension. Yes.

[B]

I gotta ask. Do. Do you see, like, immediate results are. Are folks, like you said, planning. You said all these These really sterile words. When does the joke come into being parents? Is. Is. Is it. Is there a moment where you be like, all right, just do the hard work now because the joy's coming. You gotta put in the time, though. A baby's a big, big, big deal. You just gotta plan a little bit. A little bit of be clever. But the joy is there. It's not as scary as it could be.

[A]

No.

[B]

The sleepless nights are worth it.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

And the whole journey is more important.

[A]

You know, it's just at first, it's finding your footing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Especially if it's your first beat.

[B]

I was just gonna say the first

[A]

is always, you know, so that's why I say the postpartum doula. I'm. I'm the training wheels. Right, right. I'm just there to get you the confidence and you know, you know your baby. Get to know your baby. And then you're going to be able to be like, oh, you know, this cry means this. And, oh, now he needs this. And you're going to be the one that knows that because you know them. And the joy is there immediately. Like, immediately. Right. It's all the other stuff that, you know that add stress to that moment. So if we can minimize that stress.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then the joy is there. Right. It just gets clouded with. With the rest of it. So if we can decrease that, then it's all joy, right?

[B]

Oh, absolutely. I don't want to end on this story, but I got to bring up the story. I had a friend in the family that. That became a mom, and she was acting very bizarre.

[A]

Her. Her.

[B]

Her mom and her stopped speaking because her mom gave her son a kiss or something, and she was like, no, don't your germs peculiar about that? And they were living next to each other. They haven't. They haven't. They didn't see each other for weeks because she was very territorial, the child.

[A]

That was like the postpartum. And it was.

[B]

I was like, that's what that must have said because it was just like a night and day. Different. Yeah. Like, wow. I like, it's just like she went into complete protective cup mode. I'm like, I get it now, but it's grandma. I'm like, I'm pretty sure grandma's lots.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Grandson, but didn't see her on. But I saw it.

[A]

Like, it is real.

[B]

It is very.

[A]

It was a very real threat.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It was an absolute threat that her baby could die.

[B]

Yeah. Right. Think of the kiss or something. I get it.

[A]

It's you know, it's. It's extremely real to them.

[B]

Right. And to the grandma, she was just like, are you serious?

[A]

Yeah, but. But to the outside, it's like you're

[B]

overreacting, especially as your first child.

[A]

Sometimes, like, even, like, with me, with my personal experience, I had what's now being called postpartum rage.

[B]

Postpartum rage?

[A]

Yeah. So, wow. I was a rager. I feeling I would get, like, I. I would get really up upset over. Over things. And, you know, you're almost like, watching yourself being like, that's a really extreme reaction situation. But, like, you're so in it, like, you can't stop. Right. So whether it's manifesting as anger or manifesting as anxiety, or if it's manifesting

[B]

as control or whatever, blame the baby, right? Exactly.

[A]

No, you did this to me. It's, you know, it's very real in that moment. And so responding with compassion is always the best. You know, if your partner is kind of going through these things or exhibiting these symptoms, it does pass. And like I say, with the placenta encapsulation, placenta capsules help level a lot of that out. And like, I say, that's why the dads or partner ends up being the biggest fan, because, you know, it's like, you can take the capsules. And I've had women say they feel the effects within 30, 60 minutes. Wow. And, you know, so, yeah, I had one who said, you know, she was sitting on the couch. She had wanted this natural birth that didn't work out. She was this, you know, very nature mom. And breastfeeding was going hard, and nothing was working. And she said that she was, you know, she was on the couch and she just had this, like, black cloud. And she was like, I didn't think it was going to be like this. Why is it so hard? And I gave her the capsules, and she said 30 minutes later, she could feel the cloud lift. And she was just like, oh, okay, this is gonna be fine. We're gonna get through it. Is it gonna be okay?

[B]

Right on.

[A]

Right? Yeah. So it's amazing, and I've seen it do incredible things. And so I am a huge advocate for placenta encapsulation, and it does ease up on some of that. Now, the placenta encapsulation is great for the first two to three weeks, especially, 80% of women are going to exhibit what they call the baby blues. So two to three weeks, you know, you're on a euphoric high. Right. We go on adrenaline for. For a while. But then everything kind of catches up. Right. And then the next couple weeks are rough, and so that's kind of the baby blues. Right. And again, it's not necessarily sadness. It's all these other things. Right. And sadness can be one, but that's the baby blues. Now, if she continues to exhibit these symptoms beyond the six weeks, then, you know, that is when it's time to see, you know, see a doctor, talk about your feelings, maybe get on some antidepressants or something like that, you know, it does. It's. It's difficult, though, because it's, you know, the drugs can take some time to kick in fully, and women respond differently to different things. We all respond differently to different medications, and it can take a little bit of time to figure that out. But I always say that the placenta is the easiest, most natural, least side effects that you can do to get yourself on the right trajectory. Right. Because there's a strong correlation between depression at day 14 and depression beyond that. So if we can get through fatigue at day 14 and depression later on. So if we. And one of the things that it treats is fatigue. So if we can keep her from getting so low, you know, I mean, it's difficult to feel, you know, feel good. You don't feel happy when you're exhausted.

[B]

Yeah, no.

[A]

You know, if we can help keep her from feeling that extreme fatigue, then, you know, maybe we can have some better outcomes later on, too.

[B]

Right. On.

[A]

Stave off some of that.

[B]

Well, Jodi, gosh, such a pleasure speaking to you and love your energy. What are folks gonna learn about your Women in Power episode?

[A]

Well, hopefully they're gonna learn that postpartum support matters, that we need to do a better job in supporting birthing people when they get home from the hospital or when they have that baby. We just don't do a good job. We don't provide practical support. Everyone who wants to come see the baby, come see the baby. Come see, come help. Yeah. You know, do something practical for her, you know, and birthing people. Let them. Right. That's the other thing. Somebody touching my life. Get over it.

[B]

We need YouTube videos, dammit.

[A]

Right. You know, let them do the line version. Let them do the chillis. It may not be the way that you would do it. Yeah, let it go.

[B]

Let it go.

[A]

Yeah, it's.

[B]

It takes a tribe. It takes a village.

[A]

It does. And perfectionism. You're never gonna have that again. I'm sorry. In parenting, maybe by your third kid. Y. No, no, it just takes out. It's. Bye. Wow.

[B]

That's. I feel like that's going to be the COVID of your next book. Like just bye.

[A]

Goodbye perfectionism.

[B]

Well, how can folks find you postpartum

[A]

expert.com everything is is under that one umbrella. Awesome. And you can. It's not just me. It's not Jody the Postpartum expert. It is a resource. So if you are looking for a particular resource in your town for postpartum care, whether it's dula, placenta encapsulation, lactation support, you can go on there and find somebody in your community. If you're somebody who is already a postpartum care provider, then you can be on that website. Sure. If you want to become one, you can go and find a training course on their that would be a good fit for you. So it's an umbrella term. It's not just Jody.

[B]

Well, I just got Jody for myself and it was quite the honor. I hope you had a fantastic day doing the edition.

[A]

I did. It was amazing.

[B]

I definitely learned a lot and I thank you for your time and energy. Again, Jody, it's been a pleasure with that. That concludes our episode for Living youg Legacy, the Women in Power edition for Inside Success. I am reading Tears and that's Jodi. It.