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My mom just passed from dementia Alzheimer's. It was horrible to see at the end of it. And so those are the kind of things that motivate you to like, you know, just live the healthier lifestyle. And if I can make, you know, extra income from helping people live healthier lives, dude, that's a win, man. Jason Diebold is a relationship driven, strategic and highly experienced relationship marketer and the founder of a pro network marketer, helping businesses grow through authentic connections and trust based networking. Ultimately, for me, it comes back to helping other people get what they want. And if you focus on that from an honest, caring, empathetic perspective, like, even if you're not making millions and millions of dollars, you're already wealthy, right? I'm no better than anybody else. Like, and sometimes I have bravery and I embrace fear. But like, as I learn stuff, I just talk about it and with the hopes that it helps impact other people for what they want. Like that that's the pur the globe. Like a super high cold Internet Elvis ready time for free. Today, Apple is going to reinvent the ball. It's not over until I win. The living your legacy podcast for those who live to leave a legacy that's extraordinary.
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The impossible has happened.
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You can live your dream.
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Welcome back to another episode of the living your legacy podcast for inside success. I am rz. Joining me today is Lady Bella with her amazing master, Jason the bold or the bell. What was it again? Dbold D. Awesome. If I'd have to say, Jason, we just finished wrapping up your filming your episode for living your legacy. Actually, we finished filming your episode for legacy makers.
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Yeah.
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What will we learn about you besides being an adorable. Being an owner of an adorable dog.
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Puppy dad.
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Yeah. Puppy dad.
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Yeah. No, I've got a lot of experience with network marketing and I like to use the term relationship marketing instead of networking marketing because you're really building relationships, not just a network. So, yeah, I want to utilize that experience and knowledge, which has primarily been in the health and fitness fields, and parlay that over to another company and make an opportunity for other people to come over basically who just want to live longer, happier, more fulfilling lives. Like, you know, one of the things that really drives me is society is so messed up right now. If it's like, you know, you know, like when it comes to the politics or like the amount of wealth, separation,
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it's just getting worse, really.
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But also like, you know, health and nutrition. Like, it seems like we're eating the wrong things. And I've always been concerned with supplementation. And one of the big problems is it's. It's almost impossible to see if it's working for you.
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Right.
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I've seen, you know, health coaches and triathletes that look great on the outside, but on the inside, they're kind of like, rotting away. And then you see all the different diseases. Right. My mom just passed from dementia, Alzheimer's, and all these things are. Are complicated by the foods that we eat and the environments that we're in and the stress. And so I would love to create, you know, financial opportunity that helps people get fit both physically and financially.
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I love how you're tying both of these worlds together. I'm going to lean a little more on the network marketing first, just because I'm going through this experience. You. You are 52. I'm 42. I almost feel like you're future me.
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We're shoes.
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That's a compliment, sir. And I'm. I'm going through this, you know, network market experience with a financial advisor. And at first I saw a lot of red flags, like, oh, this is too good to be true. But then when I dive deeper and being part of the Tony Robbins tribes and being part of these fellowships, I'm like, well, it is about, you know, serving. It is about sending the elevator back down. So I'm starting to make that correlation. And. And we're at the eve that we're having a huge summit with a lot of leaders, a lot of folks here in Miami. Miami's become really a mecca of entrepreneurs. And I'm born and raised in Miami. The Miami I know is resilient and very Miami. So it's, It's. It's a homecoming for me to have you sitting in share, sir, and talk about network marketing. And I love this analogy you used about going out to the beach by yourself, but, you know, selling T shirts, but it wouldn't be more. Way more fun selling shirts with 10 of your friends to 100 people. Talk about your philosophies of network marketing and, you know, a little bit of future casting. We're living in a dichotomy where, you know, loneliness is. Is making money. A lot of men aren't having children. A lot of women aren't having children. Families are such a passe thing. It's. It's the lone wolf. And lone wolfs need to thrive and make money. You found a solution that ties it all in together.
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Yeah, I've really been fortunate, you know, making a. A wealthy career out of things that I'm passionate about. My values, which, you know, we. In the interview, we talked about it, and it's like health and fitness and. And being into all that stuff for, you know, the last 50 years has kind of, like, brought me to where I'm at. So, like, I just. I think it's an awesome opportunity. Like, ultimately, for me, it comes back to helping other people get what they want. And if you focus on that from an honest, caring, empathetic perspective, like, even if you're not making millions and millions of dollars, you're already wealthy, right?
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For sure.
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Doing what you want, and you're helping other people.
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For sure. Are you. Are you a little jealous of Bella just hanging out here? Do you want to hang out?
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I get her. All the other time I was.
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I was just going to say I could. This could easily become the Bella podcast. But you. You literally went through what most men either experience because it's part of being a man. You know, either a separation and. But you go through this evolution, or you go through this ego death where. I'm tired of sitting at home feeling successful, but I'm really not, because I'm playing video games all day, and being free of constraints isn't really success. You want it. You want it to ascend. You want much more than just, you
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know, that was the first divorce. Like, I really don't spend a lot of time playing video games. That's how I knew I was at a bottom, that there's nothing wrong with that, man. No, I was sitting home. I was playing, like, Harry Potter, dude.
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Oh, no, that's not good.
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Harry Potter is not a popular video game.
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Yeah. No.
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And again, I had a plate of hot dogs next to me and, you know, a beer or two empty next to me, and I'm like, why am I not getting dates? I'm like, well, who wants to be part of this illustrious environment? Like, it just wasn't sexy, right? No. Like, and then I'm like, what is important to me? What do I value? And it was thinking about the relationship I want to have, what that woman looked like, and then who would she be attracted to? And that guy did more adventurous things, like he got into kiteboarding and skydiving. So I ended up doing all these things that I enjoyed anyway, and then it did bring the life that I wanted. So anytime that, you know, you go through a separation or change in life, you know, think about the end goal in mind. Like, what do you want to Achieve. If that's a relationship, if that's travel, if it's freedom, and then, you know, what are the steps they're going to take to get you there. And I mean that's, I've done well at doing that.
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Have you ever watched a film, American Beauty?
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American Beauty, right.
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I highly recommend that. I feel like it's essentially what you transitioned into, where it's like you've come into your own. Where it's like, no, dude, I want so much more for myself. I don't want the, the standard traditional thing that was created and coried for me or the things that I've been advertised to think I'm supposed to become. I highly recommend you watch that film.
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Yeah, that's when he was working on the Garage.
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Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should definitely watch. Yeah, yeah, it's great, Great. Some of his earlier work, which I still think have. Kevin Space is an amazing actor. Talk about your, your transformation and how you, you, you essentially shared that information, but you not only share that information through vlogging and, and social media, you actually have a product that you somehow manifested because you, you met someone that's been in your life for a very long time. Charles.
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Yeah.
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And you were on this call and you're like, holy shit, dude. This call was supposed to happen. Talk about that journey.
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Really was. Yeah. So the way that I've built, you know, at least the previous career was just kind of like if this, if this average Joe can do it, you know, then that gives me inspiration that I can do it too. And, and when I started that, you know, I think I'm 34 or something. I'm like, who's gonna be Inspired by this 34 year old divorced engineer, you know, whatever. Like you, you put the bad thing as you can in your head.
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With great hair, by the way.
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I appreciate it. For 50, I'm just glad I have any hair. But it turns out that if you put yourself out there in the best foot forward, trying to achieve the dreams that you want, there's going to be a lot of other people inspired by that. And it's not that you're up on some pedestal, you're just one step ahead of somebody else that's on the same journey. So, like, I'm no better than anybody else. Like, and sometimes I have bravery and I embrace fear, but like, as I learn stuff, I just talk about it and with the hopes that it helps impact other people for what they want. Like that that's the purpose.
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Right on. I Want to talk about your product?
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Yeah, the product.
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Let's bring it out. This thing is hella cool. Looks like that Space X side Quest.
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So yeah, a little bit about it is like, you know, I spent 18 years in network marketing. You know, I had a successful career. I think I made a total of almost $5 million in those 18 years, which sounds like a lot, but you break it down year by year. Like, not crazy, but one of the things I always struggled with is that we were promoting supplements for the company. And I just like something about me. It's like, yeah, I feel better. Yeah, I'm getting bigger muscles or whatever. But like, how do I know that my body needs this again? The example for me is when triathletes and fitness coaches take a health test and they figure out their numbers on the inside are horrible. Like, that's not health, right? It's external look good, but you're fit on the outside, but you're not fit on the inside. So it's always been important to me, like, figure out why we need supplements or what supplements we actually need. In fact, one year my ex wife and I spent like $50,000 to get like hormone therapy and blood tests up the wazoo. And at the end of it, I didn't feel like I knew much more about myself.
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Did you get a PDF with like color graphics and stuff?
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Yeah, that's about it, right? So yeah, when. When I met my buddy, re met my buddy, I was looking for a bunch of different companies. I looked into DNA testing, blood testing, everything else. And I got recommended to this other company because the one that I was looking at didn't have a great future. And so I'm like, yeah, I know somebody at that company. At least he used to be on. What's his name? Charlie. So and so. And when that person, through networking, right, put me back on a information call, which is like their system for building this, which was really impressive. Just as impressive as the individual was the system. We got on the call and I'm like, hey, Charlie. He's like, hey, Jason, how you doing? We had known each other for 15 years, back from doing personal development together. And that just felt like some sort of divine intervention, like something about this, right? And so I was interested in the company cause they have longevity and they're in the top 1 or 0.01% of all the 65,000 network marketing companies that have been out there since the 70s. So it's like in one of the top two or three ever created. I liked the property. I Liked the longevity. I liked the leveraged aspect of the income building and the people that are around it. But this was it. Like when I found out that they had a device like this that you can just put your hand on, and it scans your skin to see the carotenoid levels. And the carotenoid levels come from eating fresh fruits and vegetables that add antioxidants to your system. And the more antioxidants that you have, the better your body does against free radicals. Free radicals known to be one of the things that causes premature aging. So this is a tangible way to see if the supplements that you're taking are working. And this is a pretty modular device. You could take this around. This works great in doctors offices and gyms. Like, people come in once a week or a month and get scanned. But this is like a $2,500 device. I think there's only 2,000 in the world.
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Right on.
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So it's not, you know, in every American home. The. The new innovation, this is what I was most excited about, is that they're going to take all this same information and they're going to break it down to the size of this hockey puck. This is a hockey puck. Because I don't have the new one yet. Like, it's so new, it hasn't come out. Now, I'm one of the first 200 people in the world to get one, so I get one here in the next 15 days. So by the time these podcasts and information come out, like, this will be available. But instead of $2,500, this is going to be, like, less than $400. It goes into every American house. Like, you just put your thumb or your finger on it, and it's going to give you this nutritional health score within 20 seconds that now gamifies nutrition. It takes the guesswork out of it. It's like, you know, do I need vitamins? Yes. Why? My number is low. Are my vitamins that I'm taking working? Yes, because the number is getting better. Does it have to be our vitamins? No. Like, of course I would want you to take our vitamins, but if you have a nutrition plan and supplement plan that's working for you, this is just a tangible way to test it. And if you don't have the supplements that are working for you, ours are guaranteed to make that scanner score go up or they're free.
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Wow.
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You can't beat that.
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No, that. That's amazing. It's crazy because I, I in. In my tribes, you know, when vitamin Health centers were a thing. You know, I actually BSN very early on, was a client of mine. When Ronnie Coleman, Mr. Olympia himself, was a client of mine back in the day, I was like, great. All these supplements, and the only way you can kind of tell they're working is by kind of disciplined looking at yourself in the mirror and lifting heavy things repetitively. And then a couple of weeks, you might experience change. And then the other solution was shooting laser beams into your eyes, which you said was not a great idea. And then talk about how it was being measured before this device appeared.
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Well, you talk about getting a laser beam shot into your eye, but that's the original way that Utah University came up with measuring these antioxidants is they would shoot, like a blue laser in your eye that measures the carotenoids, which come from the fruits and vegetables, and it defracts back. Instead of a blue light, a green light, and they measure that diffraction, and they can tell how many carotenoids you have, which is a strength of your antioxidants. So that technology is actually what this has come down to. And our company has patents on all this, so it's not like you're gonna see these being produced at Walmart. It's a technology we've worked on for the last 25 years. But, yeah, even though I love the idea of tangible, deterministic way to determine if my nutrition is working for me, not sure I'd go in every week or definitely not every day and put a laser in my eye that would scare the poop out of me.
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Yeah, some folks are into that, and they'll pay high money for just the experience alone of the fear, which is absolutely not necessary.
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Right. If we can break that fear down to, like, a hockey puck that you put your finger on.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like, for me, I'm an obsessive, like, tester. Like engineer Tony Robbins says, you know, you're asking about some of the personal development. Tony Robbins says anything you want to improve, you should measure. So it's like, I would like to test when I wake up after I take my first minutes, like after a workout. And with doing this, like, there's not a limit. There's not like a price tag on how much individual you do. Like, you pay for this one time, and you can test for the rest of your life. You, your family, your friends. And it gamifies nutrition.
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Absolutely. So let's. Let's infomercial. That's just a smidge. Okay, so no, no, you're good. Was There any blood prickling? Did you. Did you. Did you prick yourself? Like, how is it measuring the good stuff? How does this work?
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You know, I'm a 50 man, so, like, I do hormone therapy and I work mess with all that. And, yeah, like, one of the things that you have to do is prick your finger 25, 20 times. You gotta squeeze it in this bubble and put it in and send it out. And like, I just did that. And the company's like, oh, it didn't work. So you gotta do this. I'm like, you guys do not make this easy.
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Yeah.
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So. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's all these different things out there, but though this. But what about blood test?
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No, nothing. So how's it measured?
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Literally takes your fingerprint. So, like, this one is just this small little laser on the back that you put your hand on. Not your retina anymore. Just put your hand on. But they're taking that same device and getting rid of all this mass, and it's going to fit in a hockey puck. And so literally, it's, you know, like taking a fingerprint. But what that does is, again, it shoots a blue laser into your skin.
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Got it.
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And skin is more consistent than blood because blood could be affected by, you know, your last meal.
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Yes.
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By checking your skin, you get a more consistent level that maybe is slower to influence. But, like, once you know, it works, like, it works. And that's why our guarantee, like, you take this for two or three months, if you don't see a change, like, then that's when it becomes free for you.
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Sure.
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Reimbursed.
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Harry, you may or may not want to use this part. It's just devil advocacy here for folks that are watching or they're seeing this amazing device. I think immediately of Theranos. Someone else that's attractive, but a blonde woman with a deep voice, and she was hustling this vision of, like, you don't have to prick yourself anymore. You can just. We can see all this data off of just a drop of your blood. And. And if you're familiar with a Theranos story, now she's. I think she's in jail. And. And there's a, like, three different Netflix documentaries on this individual.
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Yeah.
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That was the ultimate network marketer and essentially hustled this amazing product for several years.
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And.
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And it became vaporware. Is that. This is not vaporware.
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Oh, my gosh, no.
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Okay. This is the affirmation that I want to hear.
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Research that's gone into this. Like, yeah, I would stake my life behind it.
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Like, right on. No.
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In fact, the last 48 hours, just to prepare for this and know everything, I've studied more than I ever have about it and broken it down like word for word and step by step, it's one wavelength that goes into your body. It's like 429 MHz, I think blue laser. And a different wavelength comes out, which is a green, which is a deflection of the carotenoids in your skin. So the technology is amazing. But yeah, no more blood poking. It's easy as a fingerprint. Tastes less than 20 seconds. Like, you let your kids do it safe. And like, the really interesting thing in the, in the future is that the next generation of the company will use all that information. There's already 25 million scans people that have done this. Wow. So every time, you know, and then we have information about what supplements they're taking. So now we can correlate back the supplements that we're taking, the results and the improvements that they get. So I'm most excited about using all this data, plus the data that comes from making this even more accessible to the average American family, putting that all together with AI. And our company actually has purchased a DNA company. Now that may require saliva or bread, but if you can put that information on top of this daily information, what could you do with that? And I think long term, with AI, they're going to get this down. And there's already like individual national vitamin packages or supplement packages that are more prone to like what you need in Africa or what you need in Europe because, like, environmental conditions are different. So, you know, five, 10 years down the road, you're going to be able to buy an exact prescription for exactly what you need based upon your car, no levels, and your DNA scanned and potentially blood as well.
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I was just going to say folks were freaking out when their Facebooks were tracking them down with cookies and stuff. And folks are freaking out when magically they're getting advertised with things they were speaking about. And folks are going to freak out in about five to 10, 20 years when they walk into a drugstore. And the drugstore AI knows everything about them because of devices like this. It may sound scary, but it's going to optimize that funnel where it's like, I'm going to feel better faster and because of technology, it's going to get me there quicker.
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Yeah, no, our company, I don't think is going to market like that private information out to pharmaceutical companies. But no, we've become our own pharmaceutical company. There's. I've been to the company headquarters, a beautiful building in Utah, and they're like. There's a whole lab with glass windows. You can see the guys that are working on it. But they want to use that information to give you the best nutrition.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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Private. Like, it wouldn't. Confidential information, so.
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No, no. Like that one movie with Tom Cruise where they're scanning your retinas and they can. It's a one scary Spielberg movie. We won't talk about that.
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Yeah. There is a dystopian future out there, but, like, I think this is the future that we want for health and.
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Absolutely.
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Like, you know, there's so many reasons in your life, things that you can change. Your genetics, you know, your. Your family history, that if we can get some sort of measurement and guidance that helps us steer us in the right direction just to live healthier and, you know, not have some of these horrible diseases. Sure. Again, my mom just passed from. It was. It was horrible to see at the end of it. And so those are the kind of things that motivate you to, like, you know, just live the healthier lifestyle. And if I can make, you know, extra income from helping people live healthier lives. Dude, that's a win, man. No matter how. How much income that is.
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Right on, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How can people find you and learn more about you after listening to this podcast or watching your episode or watching this podcast?
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Sure, sure, sure. Like, companies out there, and it just comes down to, like, who you want to choose as, you know, a partner to do this with. And so I think somebody with 18 years of experience that's done it is part of, like, the most profitable system in network marketing because, you know, I worked with Charlie. Charlie worked with his mentor. His mentor worked in the business for 40 years before he died in his own private plane crash and made over $200 million. Charlie's been involved in the business for about 20 years, made about 20 million. I was involved with the other company for 18 years and made about 5 million. So it's a combined, what, 78 years experience and $238 million, like, all working for you. So. Yeah, no, just Jason Diebold. The website is apro relationship marketer, and it's sort of like a play on words. It stands for an aspiring professional relationship marketer. But, yeah, no, at the website, like, what we do is we take individual videos, short little clips people do on their everyday socials. Like, hey, took my vitamins today, and, like, my scanner score went up. And we'll take those videos and do some of the promotion and marketing for you. Like, we've got a set system that works over and over, is repeatable. I think that's what I'm most proud of. It's like. I think some people get involved in network marketing and they're intimidated by social medias. Like, no, we'll teach. Teach you the steps necessary to get it out there to share your story, and then we'll do the marketing for you.
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It's. It's crazy. Network marketing actually is quite a phenomenon where once you break that through that level of skepticism and understand that there's. It's a tribal thing. It's. It's.
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It's a friends helping friends.
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It's friends.
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If you're passionate about T shirts and you want to be at the beach all day, would you rather go out and sell 10T shirts by yourself at the beach and be lonely or do it with 10 friends and sell 100? I mean, that's what it comes down to. And I choose to be more of a social bird than, like, a lone wolf, I guess.
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Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of lone wolf, would you like to talk about this little wolf for a moment?
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Yeah, no, just. We went through a separation about a year ago. Divorce is finalized now. Sad but true. And, yeah, the one. The one female I couldn't live without is like, every time I came back home, she's sitting in the door. Sweetheart, why is daddy not talking to me? You know, so, like, Bella is my joy and my love and my passion and.
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Right on.
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You know, one of the reasons that we do all this.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Take care of the people and the pets that you love.
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Yeah. Well, we'll dedicate this podcast to Bella here.
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This goes out to Bella. Yeah.
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Jason. Although she's, like, asleep. Yeah. Jason. Jason, thank you so much for your time and energy. And Bella's passed out here.
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Love it, man. Thanks for giving me the opportunity.
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Yeah.
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Really?
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Yeah. I appreciate your time.
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It's been great.
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I hope you had a great morning. We're actually gonna wrap up this podcast and snap some photos, but with that. This is Jason the Bull, and I'm Rigatiers, and we are inside success.
Podcast Summary: Living Your Legacy with Rudy Mawer Episode: How a Divorced Engineer Built a $5 Million Relationship Marketing Career (June 17, 2026)
In this episode of "Living Your Legacy," host Rudy Mawer sits down with Jason Diebold, a relationship-driven marketer and founder of APRO Relationship Marketer. Jason, with over 18 years in the network marketing industry and a personal story shaped by major life transitions—including divorce—discusses how authentic relationship-building, health advocacy, and resilience helped him build a $5 million career. The conversation covers the evolution from traditional networking to relationship marketing, personal transformation after setbacks, and the launch of innovative wellness technology.
Dedication: The episode is warmly dedicated to Bella, Jason’s loyal dog and symbol of the personal legacies we build through love, resilience, and service.