On this episode, Immortal Storm is joined by his coach, veteran pro-wrestler and author Mike Quackenbush to discuss in depth the training aspects of pro-wrestling. Mike and Storm share their stories and difference in generations in discovering places to learn, and the challenges they each faced. Storm shares how he came to understand the art of pro-wrestling as a second language. Mike details the makings of different rings as he traveled across the world to different schools, and the physicality they bring. They also touch on the parallels between wrestling and other art forms like music and comic books.

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0:00 - Intro; catching up after a while, Mike’s record of teaching 107 seminars, founding The Wrestle Factory

2:46 - How did Mike find wrestling to learn? ; The 90s grind, working with zero training, unsafe working, wrestling promotions in garages and malls

7:56 - Healthy training environments and locker rooms in today’s generation compared to toxic environments of the past

11:35 - There is so much wrestling now, it is arguably more difficult to stand out; comparing the wrestling grind to music, independent success and exposure

13:51 - What triggered Immortal Storm to start training in pro wrestling; how Storm & Mike first met, Storm’s first day of training and spraining his ankle within seconds, the bizarreness of selling in training

21:19 - Storm began to understand pro wrestling as a language in itself; working with some who does not speak the same verbal language, working with the ring itself

25:39 - The discomfort that comes with wrestling; dealing with anxiety

29:00 - The physicality of taking bumps in a ring; the construction of a pro wrestling, the different builds of rings Mike has encountered around the world

33:46 - Mike’s travel to different regions of the world teaching; was there anything Mike learned himself

36:44 - Mike’s several different books and what readers might get out of them; non-wrestling books that Mike keeps in rotation, comic books and comparing them to pro wrestling

42:36 - Goals for 2025; Storm wants to visit more schools, Mike wants to visit many new countries, finding appreciation for travel