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LRS Podcast 003: Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projection
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Jeremy Crow talks about the nature of lucid dreaming, including various dreamwork techniques and ...
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Jeremy Crow
Welcome to the Luciferian Research Society Podcast. I'm your host Jeremy Crow and you're listening to the third episode. This episode is about dreamwork, lucid dreaming and astral projection or the out of body experiences. First we'll define some terms and then we'll go over techniques. We'll also be including some examples of profound dreams. Special guest interview with Edward o' Toole. We've got some submissions from members of the LRS and we have two songs for you.
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Edward O'Toole
Relax.
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Jeremy Crow
Relax. Let's start this by defining some terms. To really understand dreaming experience, we need to understand waking experience. First. When you're awake, you're experiencing the world through your senses. Your sense organs pick up information about the world. Say for example, light enters the eye. A specific range of frequencies and intensities will stimulate the rods and cones of your eye which will fire and give off electrochemical signal which gets sent to the brain. The brain then takes this raw data and generates a holographic projection that you that your consciousness experiences. This is what I call the hologram. It's the multi sensory experience that your brain generates based off of the sensory inputs. Now it's not actually what's out there, it's just what you are experiencing. It's all being generated in your brain. There is something out there, but we can't experience it directly. We only experience a model of it in our subjective universe. Our subjective universe is just a model of the objective universe, a personal model that our own individuality creates. When you go to sleep and you dream, this same hologram generator is operating. But instead of focusing on sensory inputs, it takes the information from something internal. Your memories, your emotions, the things that are going on inside you. That's why sometimes you'll have a dream and you'll say, wow, that was so real. It just felt exactly like, like when I'm awake. It's because it's the same function of the brain that creates that multi sensory experience when you're awake, as when you're in a dream. It operates a little bit differently though, because in one sense it's based off of mostly off of the objective universe and it's making a model of that. Whereas when you're dreaming, you're experiencing a fully subjective universe being generated by this hologram generator in your brain. Now, when you're in deep dreamless sleep, that hologram generator isn't working, that experience generator doesn't function. There is still some level of consciousness there, but we're not accustomed to experiencing self awareness while without that experience generator running. So most of the time we're not conscious at all during non dream deep sleep. Although there are some traditions that do insist that it is possible to attain that level of consciousness during non dream sleep. Now, to get into dream work, the first thing that we have to talk about is keeping a dream journal. The dream journal is something that is highly valued in a lot of different cultures. And not just keeping the dream journal, but also sharing your dream with others. In our culture today, we're often told, oh, it's just a dream, it doesn't mean anything. And a lot of people don't even remember any of their dreams. One thing that is important to do if you don't remember your dreams and you want to, is to try and make dreaming an important thing in your daily waking life. And one thing that really helps with this is by keeping a dream journal. It improves your dream recall because it does send a message to your brain that remembering dreams is important if you're keeping a written record of it. Another great benefit of keeping a dream journal is that you can go through it and see if there's any patterns. For example, in my dreams, I often find that there's something bright or unusual in the sky, like some really crazy fireworks or two moons or UFOs, flying saucers. Now, these are things that are unusual happenings. But for some reason in the dream, most of the time I look at that and I just accept it as real. I don't question whether or not it's a dream, but when I noticed that I was having this same type of thing happen in a lot of my dreams, I programmed myself to anytime I saw something strange in the sky to immediately, you know, think, well, am I dreaming? And do a test just to see if I am dreaming. There are a couple ways of testing your state, which we'll get into a bit later. But again, if I hadn't kept the dream journal, I may not have recognized that pattern in my dreams. And now that I have recognized it, sometimes I have been able to recognize, oh yeah, this is a dream. And then the dream is what we call a lucid dream, where you're aware that you're dreaming while still in the dream. And then usually you have some level of control over at least your own actions. You're not swept up into the current of whatever is happening in the dream. You actually can direct your own actions more like when you're awake. Now, the other thing that you can do with keeping a dream journal, obviously, is to go back and interpret your dreams. Now back to state Testing. This is when you consciously decide to determine whether you're awake or dreaming. One really popular method of doing a state test is to try and read a piece of text twice. Like a sign, anything. Like if you have a book in front of you or text on a screen or even a digital watch, you look at it, read it, look away, look back, and try and read it again. And if it's different, there's a really good chance that you're dreaming. Sometimes you can't even read it in the first place because it just keeps shifting in front of your eyes from. For some reason, text and digital watches in dreams are very unstable. This is something that's common for most people. Sometimes you will get the rare event where you can actually read something. Some people have even reported reading entire books in dreams. In Tibetan Buddhism, there is a tradition of regaining lost treasures that were placed in some sort of heaven. And through lucid dreaming, you could sometimes regain these treasures which were teachings. And they would read it and then they would write it out when they woke up upon memory. This is an unusual case. In most cases, it's very difficult to read any kind of text in a dream.
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Emily
Now.
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Jeremy Crow
Now, in order to get yourself to do the test properly, you have to actually, really, truly believe that it's possible that you might be dreaming at any given moment. If you've done this enough times, you'll start doing it in the dream itself. Because what you do in a dream is usually your habitual actions and reactions. If you make state testing a habit, you'll start doing it in your dreams as well. The first few times that I did a state test within a dream, I was convinced that I was awake. And when I woke up, I thought, wow, that is really, really convincing. It was incredibly convincing. And until you've experienced that a few times, sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's really difficult to get into that state of mind where you can actually believe that maybe I am dreaming right now. But once you've had that experience once or twice, then it gets a little bit easier. So sincerity in the state testing is important, but, you know, with practice and experience that that gets better. Another way that you can increase the level of awareness within a dream and make it more likely that you'll have a lucid dream. Become aware that you're dreaming is to contemplate the dreamlike nature of waking experience. Another version of this practice is to go around during your daily life and interpret everything that you're experiencing as though it were happening in a dream. For example, all of the people that you interact with. Imagine them as being a personified part of yourself, an aspect of your own personality, like a dream character, and try and figure out what that person represents within you, yourself, and the actions that you take regarding that person. What does that tell you about what's happening within yourself? Eventually, again, as you practice this, it becomes habit and you eventually start doing it in a dream. This increases the likelihood of you realizing that you are dreaming. This is a lucid dream. When you are in the dream, you know that you're dreaming and you can exert some level of control over how the dream turns out. At the very least, you can control your own actions Rather than being swept up in the tide of whatever is happening in the dream. The first few times that I experienced lucid dreaming, the second that I realized that I was dreaming, I got really excited and I woke up. It was really frustrating because it take a lot of work to get into that state, Aside from the few times that it happened, but by accident, just randomly growing up here and there, Once I started trying to do it intentionally, as soon as I realized that I was dreaming, I would wake up. There's a very simple technique that you can use to stay sleeping and dreaming so that you can experience the lucid dream for a longer period of time. The trick is to start spinning immediately. As soon as you realize that you're dreaming, Just spin around and around and around in a circle. This increases the level of sensory input that you're experiencing from the dream world, and it helps root you into that experience. Usually you'll spin until the world feels a little bit more stable and it doesn't feel like you're gonna wake up anymore. Then you go about and do whatever you'd like in the lucid dream. Usually when people first start having lucid dreams regularly, they'll use them for wish fulfillment and, and that's fine. For example, people like to fly a lot in dreams. And there's also a lot of sex dreams people will have in lucid dream states. Eventually, people will start to get a little bit more curious about the dream state itself and will start investigating or doing experiments. One of the best things to do is to set your intention, Decide this is the thing that I'm going to do the very next time that I have a lucid dream. And try and remember that before you go to bed every night. It does help set the intention of having lucid dream as well by doing that setting that goal. Some people will even do ritual or occult practices During a lucid Dream state.
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Edward O'Toole
Hey, this is okay.
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Jeremy Crow
The next thing I want to get into is the out of body experience or astral travel. The term astral comes from astrum, which means star in Latin. It just means the abode of the stars or the heavens. It was a way of saying that when you left your body, you would roam among the heavens in your dream body or your astral body. The out of body experience is usually related as something that happens without conscious intention. For example, during surgery or during a traumatic accident, people will often experience floating outside of their body and experiencing the world from a different point of view. In my personal experience, I found no difference between the astral projection state and the lucid dreaming state whatsoever. They felt, acted and operated in exactly the same way. The only difference is that you're entering the lucid dream state directly from a waking conscious state. Normally, when you have a lucid dream, you fall asleep. Naturally, you lose your consciousness. Images start to arise and form themselves into scenarios which you get drawn into. And there you are in the dream and you're experiencing the dream when you suddenly realize that it is a dream. That's the normal method for getting into a lucid dream. There are other techniques that you can use to enter into that state directly without having to fall asleep, lose consciousness and enter a normal dream first. These are the exact same techniques that are considered to be used to produce an astral projection or out of body experience. Dr. Stephen LaBarge, in his book Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming, describes this technique as a wild which is an acronym for wake induced lucid dream. The basic idea of all of these different techniques for astral projection is to relax your body very deeply. Usually lying in bed or in a chair, but very, very relaxed. You then begin imagining a scene, any scene. It could be the room that you're currently in, or it could be somewhere else entirely, but it should be somewhere that you're very familiar with. Imagine it as if you were walking through it in your body. If you move your hand out in front of you, you see your hand. If you place it down on an object, you feel the heat or coldness of the object and its texture. Go around, knock something to hear the sound that it makes. View from the eyes of your body. View exactly like you would view it if you were looking around and moving your head. Feel the weight of the clothes on your body, feel your weight on the floor. Imagine that there's a piece of food and taste it, smell it. The idea is to engage all of the different senses of this imagined body that you're experiencing this imagined scene through. Eventually get to the point where you're imagining this so intensely and you're getting yourself into it so much that suddenly your consciousness will transfer over into that imagined body. Suddenly you'll find yourself standing there where you were imagining yourself to stand. At this point, you will have transferred over into the astral body or the dream body, and you will be in the lucid dream state directly from a conscious waking state. This is the true meaning of astral projection. So that's the end of this section. If you'd like to discuss any of these topics or debate any of the opinions with me, I just come to the LRS and join the Astral Projection and Dream Work group. As always, you can find us@luciferianresearch.org you should see him.
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Edward O'Toole
He's gotten worse. He's somebody I don't know anymore.
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Jeremy Crow
There's one dream that I had that had a really profound impact on me. I was sitting there having a conversation with a friend. He was sitting across from me, and I suddenly realized that I was dreaming. Next time I talked, I said to him, did you know that this is a dream? He sat there for a moment and thought, and then said, well, if this is a dream, is this your dream, or is this my dream? And I was really surprised by that this is a dream character saying it to me. So I thought, well, of course this is my dream. But then he really seemed like he was a separate consciousness. Like, it really seemed that he was an independent being. And I was really confused. And I just thought, I don't know. And so I just kind of reached out for this, for an answer. I was like, I need an answer. I want an answer. And I got this click. It was like an epiphany. And I realized the answer. And I said to him, if this is a dream, it's just as much your dream as it is my dream, because you and I are one. He thought about it for a minute, and then I saw the look in his eyes, and he realized what I meant. And suddenly our consciousness united. And I could see in a panoramic from both, from the eyes of both characters that the character that I was originally playing in the beginning and the other character that I was having the conversation with, I was conscious of both at the same time. And I woke up in that state. And all day when I walked around that day, I thought of how everybody that I'm encountering, in a very real sense, each of them is an aspect of me. And I'M only part of a bigger whole as well. It really did change a lot about how I view the world, both waking and dreaming experience.
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Edward O'Toole
I can do anything I put my mind on.
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Jeremy Crow
I had this one lucid dream where I was flying around in the sky, doing all these spins and things like that. And I'd flown so many times in the dream, I was actually starting to get a little bit bored of it. I looked down at the ground and I thought, you know, the dream earth would be just as easy to fly through as the dream sky because they're both made out of mind stuff. And so I decided to just dive bomb the ground and I flew right at it and I went straight through into the earth. And it was cool, it worked, but I didn't feel any kind of resistance at all. The only problem was that couldn't see anything. There was no light down there. So I was flying around. And it was kind of even less fun than flying in the sky because all I got was the physical sensations of flying around and I couldn't get back up for some reason. I tried to visualize anything else, a light or a way back up, but it just wasn't showing up in the the dream for some reason. So I just eventually just kind of let myself wake up and I woke up.
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Emily
Come again.
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Jeremy Crow
At the opening of this show, you heard Mad Box by Popeye X, a member of the LRS. We have a link to his MySpace page on the enhanced version of the podcast. And this is his song. Holy cow. It.
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Sam
Sam.
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Sa
Sa.
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Sam
Sam Sa Sam. I'm not.
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Edward O'Toole
He is a man revered and loved by his friends, respected and feared by his enemies. A man of countless virtues.
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Marek
So we have Edward o' Toole today for an interview as a featured guest. He is the founder of Aesthetica and he's an author of several books. He also has come out with a tarot deck. Now, Edward, can you tell me a little bit about how you came to be on the path that you are on and what that path is?
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Emily
How I came to the path that I'm on?
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Jeremy Crow
Yes.
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Emily
I suppose natural progression. I think many occultists follow lots of paths throughout their lives. Ultimately find one which fits the self or which fits closest to the self. I don't think there is any distinct path unless you join a cult and accept a specific doctrine or dogma. Say I follow one path and give it a turn. Would very, very hard to actually say which path it is. The closest I can come up with. I call it Bestian Gnosticism, which I suppose stems from Luciferian Gnosticism, which has developed into Zen Gnosticism.
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Marek
And that's the concept that you developed through the three books of Ascetica.
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Emily
Well, the books are a means of basically removing one's conditional cultural programming. Sophia Bestia breaks the old programming or exposes the old programming. Grimoire Bestia is a means of developing the self out of this programming. And Zen Gnosticism is a means of enabling oneself to find one's own path. The vast majority of people I interact with were born in Western civilization, which is a Judeo Christian doctrine. Until one really understands that doctrine, not the Bible, but every aspect of our speech, our education system, and realizes how much it has affected us, we can't develop anything towards individuality. That's principle. I'm Sophia Beftia.
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Marek
Yeah, I definitely agree with that concept. Something that I've thought about a lot as well. Now.
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Emily
One thing I'd read this like is this sort of a pop concept where people turn themselves, especially for example, Wiccans, as if they've been handed down something from the ages. And it's ancient family tradition. This is bollocks. For the last one and a half thousand years, our civilization has been dominated by Judeo Christianity in contact. We didn't grow up in a pagan society, we didn't grow up in a polytheistic society, we didn't grow up under an Asian society. And really it's until, you know thine enemy, you can't break free from his programming. It's a big shock for people. It really is.
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Marek
Now, I know that one of the rituals that you've written that's gotten a lot of popularity is the rite of the Unpardonable sin.
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Emily
The unpardonable sin, yeah.
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Marek
Can you explain a little bit about the purpose of that ritual.
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Emily
The unpardonable sin? I remember reading about it many years ago and it intrigued me. And it took quite a while to work out which part of the Bible it was referring to and then what it exactly entailed. For example, murder is forgivable. Sacrilege is forgivable. You could go to church and piss on the floor, it's forgivable. But this concept, rejection of the Holy Spirit, this insulting of the Holy Spirit, and this really made me think, why would the Holy Spirit be so integral to Judeo Christian belief or Christian belief? The Holy Spirit is irrelevant in Judaism. And why does this control us so much? Why would there be such pressure placed on obedience to the Holy Spirit or acceptance of it? It's a means of control. This fear that Once you have removed or once you have committed this final unpardonable sin, there is no heaven for you. You are rejected by Jesus, you are rejected by God, you're on your own. And I think it's very similar to being, for example, heroin or cocaine addict. Until you utterly reject your drug, I mean totally stop using it, you can't have any freedom from this addiction. It's the same with the unpardonable sin. Until you finally put your stamp on the belief that there will be a heaven, there will be a forgiveness, even if it means purgatory or whatever, you can't be free. And this is a means of saying, I am free, I will accept the consequences on my own. Marek.
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Marek
What is the development of your ideas within the Zen Gnosis book?
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Emily
Well, I think ultimately, if you follow any form of Gnostic path, there comes to a stage which in Grimoire Bestiar, I call penultimate Gnosis. The basic, the overriding Gnostic concept of the soul and the body is that the soul cannot be pure while it is incarcerated inside physical form, inside matter. Therefore, the only means of releasing it is through death, which is not a good thing. If you're enjoying living, then is the natural progression of the. Whereby one becomes like the Buddha's middle way, the middle path. One attempt to live within this reality, physical reality, or what the Gnostics would term as false reality. But one develops this sense of not living or not doing. For me, it was purely a natural progression. I think anybody who's ever followed a left hand path, specifically Satanism, they reach a point, the antithesis of the Gnostic viewpoint, where they become self obsessed. It's egoism, narcissism, hedonism. And there are points you reach where this becomes self negating. In order to live a personally hedonistic lifestyle, you start hurting the people you love, because you can only do what you feel you wish to do. Morality goes out the window. So one must find a balance, not in a Christian term, but in a term where, in a sense, where one may live in this reality and not be part of it. Help at all.
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Marek
Okay, like in the world, but not of it.
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Emily
Yeah, to use a cliche, but at the same time to vary living this world. I reject the concept of escapism. I dislike immensely the idea of sitting on top of a mountain and eating a grain of rice a day. We live here, we're born here. I do believe that we should enjoy it.
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Marek
Okay.
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Emily
And Zen Gnosis is what I believe, a combination, a culmination of these concepts. Everything from Buddhism to Satism, you know.
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Edward O'Toole
I'm afraid I don't follow you, sir. You better not. I don't like being followed.
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Marek
Now, can you tell us a little bit about your experience creating the tarot deck?
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Emily
Well, to sum up the experience creating a tarot deck, I believe tarot is individual. I believe if you're an occultist, you should have your own tarot. It seems illogical to be using for example the Ride Awake or even the SOSs. This was Crowley's idea. This is something Crowley came up with. And I'm not Crowley. You're not Crowley, so why are you using his ideas? Surely you should be using your own. And for me, I'm obviously a very big Jungian and I like to the application of the unconscious in tarot imagery, it made it a lot more logical for me to be able to read my own cards using imagery that I can understand, that I feel comfortable using or I have experience using. Unfortunately, unfortunately it's not really accepted by the major tarot good users. They're not fans of left hand path decks. Shame I didn't make a twilight pack that is successful, but I'm very lucky. Both in the tarot and in Zen Gnosis. I worked with Eris Pex, absolutely amazing hermetic sigil artist and she really came up the concept of the imagery. She meditated on each of my philosophical concepts and constructed sigils dependent on those, her artistries in her as well for different beliefs, a different paradigm, different philosophies, exposing that amazing artist.
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Marek
Yeah, I've definitely checked out some of her art and I really enjoy it as well.
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Emily
She's very dedicated, Very dedicated.
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Marek
Was there anything else that you wanted to mention?
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Emily
There was actually. It's something that I noticed on the Luciferian Research Society, this discussion, you know, what's the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism? This is a question I've heard asked many, many times over the years and normally the answers are atrocious. If you have time, I'd like to explain the difference by pointing out to your listeners two basic symbols of Luciferianism. Three basic symbols. The serpent, Prometheus and Jesus. The Christos. The serpent. What did he give? What does he do?
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Jeremy Crow
Gives the knowledge.
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Emily
Yeah. To whom?
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Jeremy Crow
Eve.
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Emily
Well, he gave it to Eve. Being the mother of man. The Seraphim gave us knowledge. He gave us wisdom. To know, to be our God, to know our God. And he was punished for it. Prometheus, he gave man fire. He was punished for it. The Kryptoff gave us a means of Salvation, and he was punished for it. The principal point I'm trying to make is Luciferianism is based on the concept of benefiting mankind, advancing mankind. It's very different to a Satanic concept which is basically an egoistical, a self obsessed concept which is benefiting the self. And that is a huge difference between the two paradigms. Also you have the concepts of the afterlife. The Satan is not showing the same ideas. There's one brilliant example for me of a Luciferian, and that's Beethoven. Beethoven was an arrogant, cantankerous bastard who hated people on an individual basis. But he spent his entire life with this belief in the brotherhood of man for the benefit of mankind. You know, when he used Schiller's Andy Freuder, the Ode to Joy, this was his gift to mankind. And I would like to say to Luciferians, you know, be hedonistic, be narcissistic, be as superior as you want, but ultimately you're supposed to be giving back for the future of mankind. You're supposed to be freeing them of their slavery, their bond, and giving them something which will advance them.
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Marek
Great.
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Emily
You know, enjoying yourself for your 3 score and 23 score and 10. Whatever.
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Marek
Well, it was excellent talking to you today, Edward.
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Emily
Thanks, man.
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Marek
I want to thank you for taking the time out of your day to do this interview.
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Emily
It's actually Night hair.
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Marek
Oh, right.
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Emily
It's evening today on the other side of the world. Well, good luck with the society. It's something I'm very interested in. I think you're doing an excellent job so far.
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Marek
Oh, thanks. Yeah, thanks for your support.
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Emily
I really hope it works out. You know, we need something like this.
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Marek
Thanks a lot again. Good night.
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Edward O'Toole
Listen, how are you?
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Jeremy Crow
Throughout this show, we'll be featuring artwork submitted by Vintage angel under the artist's name Kissed. We also have an active web link for those of you viewing the enhanced version of the podcast. As always, you can go over to the lrs@lucefairyun research.org if you'd like to interact with the artist. I also wanted to let you know that I updated my webpage. Go to jeremycrow.com and check it out.
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Sam
Here's a song by Matt Card. Sam Ram.
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Marek
Thanks for being on the show, Emily. You run a blog@ouroboroselectric.WordPress.com and we'll include a link to that. So what's the purpose and inspiration for creating that blog?
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Sa
Well, I mean, I've had a lot of blogs before, but I didn't really finish any of them. They Weren't all occult oriented, Most of them were personal. But I really wanted to sort of make myself learn about certain topics more in depth. You know, like before, if I saw a topic I didn't know much about it, like hermeticism, I'd like go to the Wikipedia page, check it out and then I'd be done. But with the blog, you know, I sort of have to look through things a bit more in depth, get a more well rounded knowledge of things and then post on it and then I get feedback. So I'm really sort of using it as a, as like a learning tool, almost like making myself do homework.
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Marek
Okay, cool. So it's like a way of ordering your thoughts and forcing you to do a little bit more in depth research. Okay, cool. Now some of the topics that you've covered are Chaos magic, for example. That was a popular post. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?
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Sa
Yeah, I really enjoyed writing that one. I didn't know anything about chaos magic before I wrote the post. A friend brought it up. We were talking about things we both wanted to research and I was like, oh, chaos magic, that sounds like something I would like. But I had no idea about any of the theory behind it or how it was tied to science or anything. So I looked into it and I found that I really, really like the theory behind it. And just the idea of using belief as a tool really struck a chord with me. The idea that, you know, you can believe in a certain dogma, you can be Buddhist for like a few months, try it, and if you don't like it, you're allowed to try something else. I really like that flexibility of kind of checking different things out. And I also like sigils, that kind of magic. It just seemed, it appealed to me because it was so simple. It wasn't a lot of theater. I'm not into that in ritual. The more complicated, if it takes three hours, I'm less likely to do. Appealed to kind of a modern lifestyle. I like that about it.
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Marek
Yeah, I like it too. It's like a meta system where you can incorporate other systems into the same thing.
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Sa
Right. It's kind of like a broad paradigm and you can, you can use it in conjunction with, with any of your other beliefs, even if they change.
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Jeremy Crow
Now.
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Marek
You did another one about hermeticism.
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Sa
I did. That was interesting because again, you know, I didn't know much about it before I looked into it. It's amazing. You start to see these things everywhere. My, my friend of mine and I have come up with a term for. For it called the popcorn effect, where you learn about something new and then all of a sudden you see it everywhere. It's in everything you read and you notice it a lot more. And since I wrote that post on hermeticism, it's been popping up everywhere. I'm actually reading a comic right now called the Invisibles by Grant Morrison, who happens to be a chaos magician, but he quotes the Emerald Tablet a few times in the comic, which I wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't written the blog post.
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Jeremy Crow
Oh, cool.
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Marek
Yeah, that's great.
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Jeremy Crow
Now I really like the post that.
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Marek
You made when you had the migraine.
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Sa
Yeah, that was Struggles of Initiation, I think. Yeah, yeah, that one. Sorry. I'm looking at my blog right now. That was rough. That was. I was, I was tired, you know, and I read a lot about initiations and how they're supposed to feel and how tough they could be. And it was really hitting me, you know, resonating with me at the time because it's hard to do because you're so interested in, you know, this higher level thinking and these high level concepts and it's so exciting and you get so into it and then you're at school or you're at work and you're with people that have no idea what you're talking about and you can't communicate with them, how excited you are and you can't communicate with them all these theories and it gets really frustrating. And so I just wrote that at a time where I was sort of grappling with consolidating real life with this. Not real life, but surface life with more. The deeper stuff.
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Marek
Yeah, that's great. And I think that came across in the post as well. Now, do you want to finish up by sharing a dream experience you had?
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Sa
Sure. I actually have tried to lucid dream a few times. I keep a dream journal because I know that's probably the most important thing. And I did the reality checks that you're supposed to do where you like, you look at the digital clock and you look back and see if it's at the same time different. You're probably dreaming or, you know, you look into a mirror and if your image is normal, you aren't dreaming, or if you spin around and when you open your eyes, you're in the same place, you're not dreaming. So I tried all those during the day, sort of like the dream checks, because that's supposed to carry into when you're dreaming. And then you check and then you know you're dreaming. And I only had success with it once. I was dreaming. I was in some sort of classroom with a few friends and we were talking and I was like, wait, we're on, like, a roof. This isn't normal. I must be dreaming. So I realized this, and I was like, oh, wow, I'm dreaming and I haven't. I haven't woken up yet that I know I'm dreaming. So I realized that it worked. But then I tried to manipulate the environment. You know, I tried to fly, and that didn't work, and I couldn't really manipulate the dream. So I got as far as being aware that I was dreaming, but I didn't really make it to that next level.
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Marek
Oh, yeah, well, that's great. That's a breakthrough right there. Because then, you know, it's possible. And once you.
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Sa
Oh, it's definitely possible.
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Marek
Yeah. Some people have a hard time understanding how you could be conscious and asleep at the same time.
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Sa
You definitely can. Well, I mean, I've gotten astral projection similar, and I've gotten far enough with that to know it's very possible. I've gotten to the point where you're not conscious of your body at all. You can't feel your body, and you're just sort of like this floating mind. So your body's asleep, but your mind's awake.
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Marek
Well, thanks for being on the show. We really appreciate.
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Sa
Thanks for having me.
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Marek
Yeah, we really appreciate you taking the time out of your day for this.
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Sa
No problem.
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Edward O'Toole
It isn't as simple as diagnosing a case of measles.
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Jeremy Crow
So that's the show. I hope you enjoyed it. Our next episode will be about tarot and divination. We'd like to hear from some professional tarot readers that are members of the group. We'd also like to hear from non professional tarot users who wanted to give us an opinion of, say, one of the cards that they feel a special affinity for. I'll be doing a live reading over the phone for the next episode. So if you'd like to be the one receiving the tarot reading, submit your questions. If you're selected, we'll let you know and we'll set up the time that we can do the call. Thanks for listening. If you enjoyed this show, subscribe, visit the lrs@luciferianresearch.org Come on.
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Edward O'Toole
We'll give it to him. Good.