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Emma is out today, but Matt Binder and Brandon Sutton will be here with the news! We talk Fetterman's trip to Israel to recieve a tasteless gift from Netanyahu, Repulicans getting chewed out at town halls, Tesla Cybertrucks being recalled, and more!...
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Matt Leck
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Matt Bender
Hello, everyone. It is me, Matt Bender and it is Brandon here on the Majority Report without Emma. What a weird, what a weird thing to do without Emma. The Emma Jordy Report without Emma.
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Brandon Sutton
I like to think that, I think that we're, you know, a more streamlined show. We're taking the her out of Thursday and replacing it with a his. So, you know, this day, that wasn't good. You know, you go, Matt. You keep going.
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Matt Bender
No, I mean, listen, listen, you know, Trump has made some changes and the majority board is starting to some of them and you know, Emma, Emma's gotta go. That's just how it goes. I'm sorry, Emma. It's the boys today.
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Matt Leck
It's masculine visibility Thursday.
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Matt Bender
Right. And what a perfect day to start a new producer or a week to start a new producer where Emma just, it doesn't show up. Welcome to, welcome to the majority. Boy, Rust, it's a, it's a, it's a smooth sailings from here.
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Matt Leck
We haven't even revealed the name of our new producer yet, so Pinder has broken. But we'll, we'll do a more formal one. You kind of stepped all over a formal announcement tomorrow, but yeah, exactly. It's, it's a complete whirlwind over here.
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Matt Bender
I don't watch the show. What do I know?
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Brandon Sutton
Anyway, I love watching the show, especially episode that I'm on.
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Matt Bender
Anyway, let's get right to it. There was a really great video today that about everyone's favorite Democratic senator. Not talking about Chuck Schumer this time. I'm talking about one John Fetterman. So John Fetterman, the, you know, the senator from Israel is, is Visiting. And he, he's visiting his constituents. Is he in Tel Aviv? You know, he's in Israel, that's for sure. But wherever he is, I mean, he's visiting with Benjamin Netanyahu. So I'm assuming he's. He's in Tel Aviv.
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Brandon Sutton
Right?
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Matt Bender
That's where the government runs out of everything. So let's plot this clip and let's see. I'm assuming that he's visiting with his constituents and they're going to be demanding that Doge stops firing them all over, over in isra. That's how those town halls have been going everywhere else.
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Matt Leck
This is the town hall he's here for.
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Matt Bender
How about giving him a beeper? Oh, no, this is a silver plated beeper. The real beeper is like one tenth the weight. It's nothing, really. Yeah, but it changes history.
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Brandon Sutton
You know, when that story, when that.
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Matt Leck
Story broke and I was like, oh.
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Matt Bender
I love it, I love it.
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Matt Leck
And now it's like, thank you for this. Yeah, no. All right.
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Brandon Sutton
Thank you.
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Matt Leck
Oh, yeah, there we go. Some piety.
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Matt Bender
Oh, God. All right, so there's John Fetterman meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu. And you know, this is, this is obviously, you know, usually Democratic politicians, they do that, that dance for the between, like their more moderate constituents, who, honestly, I don't think they exist anymore, but they think they do. You know, Chuck Schumer's the Baileys, the imaginary family from Long island that he makes all his decisions based on. They have their Baileys and then they have their actual real life progressive constituents. And they do that dance where like, you know, they support Israel, but they don't support Netanyahu. And what he does, you know, they'll stand by Israel. They give all their support to Israel, but they, you know, they don't back everything Netanyahu does. You know, they have a 1 or 2% disagreement. John Fetterman here is basically just destroying that, like, imaginary line that so many Democrats try to hold where they, you know, criticize the administration and put back the, the country and the people. He's basically fully backing Benjamin Netanyahu with this meeting like this. And Netanyahu thanks him with a silver plated beeper. And that's obviously a reference to that attack from Israel where they basically sold beepers through third party intermediaries to, what was it, Hezbollah? Right. And then they remotely set these beepers off, which were actually explosives. But of course, they don't know who the people who got the beepers are with or if they sold or gave away the Beepers to someone else. And they don't care either. Yeah, nor do they care, really. I remember, I believe, I believe children were at the very least injured if not killed in this attack. But there they are having a good old laugh and getting a nice souvenir in the form of a silver plated beeper over this attack. I mean, it's gross. What do you think this is?
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Matt Leck
Nothing.
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Brandon Sutton
Yeah.
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Matt Leck
I just want to say, like, this is. Fetterman really loves this joke because the Council for Arab American Islamic Relations care had to call out Fetterman like a while ago in November. Kerr, Pennsylvania calls on Senator Fetterman to apologize for dangerous rhetoric targeting pro Palestinian students because he had representatives Betar, the fascistic Zionist movement. And that's Einstein. That's Einstein's words con it. He met with those representatives who made a beeper joke. Then too, Ross Glick made a joke targeting members of SJP with references to booby trapped page explosions. They love this sort of violence, this. I mean, fascistic violence, frankly. And batar, again, that group that you can look up what Einstein said about them as the Jewish brown shirts has been dictating to Fetterman and to Columbia board members names of people to target for deportations. It's. It is shocking that a Democratic senator is a liaison there. And it's just open. It's not even like a secret. It'd be one thing if it was a conspiracy. I'm like, I think Fetterman's. No, it's in the papers that he's dealing with this brown shirt in Beta, right?
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Brandon Sutton
Yeah. No, it's hard to find or even think of a senator or other member of our government who is more slavishly devoted to Israel than John Fetterman is. And I think that, you know, looking back on his positions prior to being elected, there are obvious signs that he, like many of our Democratic politicians, just like many of our Republican politicians are openly pro Israel, openly Zionist, openly, you know, by nature of those things, anti Palestine. And you know, at least, at the very least, not sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinian people or their current ongoing genocide. But like to imagine that he'd be this dedicated to it. You know, he's getting an award in the form of one of their many war crimes. I don't think you could have predicted this. I think this is like beyond the pale. And it's hard to even know, like, who, like, who wants this, like who, like, who is, like, what part of the Democratic party voting base is impressed by this level of devotion to Israel. Like, I feel like I've seen him with Netanyahu more than I've seen him with members of his own constituency. Like, he's always, like, running from them, you know, or, you know, like stumbling away from them, like, you know, lurching away from them as he does. But, yeah, like, it really, it's. I can only attribute it to the brain damage he suffered from that stroke that he. That he thinks this is, like, the way to be.
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Matt Leck
Yeah, I think it's conceivable that, you know, I think maybe it was Ben Burgess or Bronco March teacher, one of those guys had, you know, that he's a progressive except for Palestine sort of guy, even during the primaries. But I do agree that he would at least be able to make it look like how the other senators that are frankly bought by Israel make it look where there's like, some kind of tension there, rather than saying, hey, yeah, when you blew up kids with pagers and. Or just blew up people indiscriminately with pagers, I thought that was totally right on, man. I mean, I mean, I say that and I'm having images flash through my mind of all the different politicians who signed missiles to be launched at Palestinians. So, you know, it's hard to say maybe two definitively.
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Matt Bender
Also, he shouldn't be allowed to accept that pager. How do we. It could be a national security risk. How do we know that pager is not active? How do we know that pagers should be. I mean, let's put it this way. He's going to ostensibly get on a plane to get home. Right. I mean, unless he's just going to live out his days in Israel now and I guess allow.
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Brandon Sutton
The.
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Matt Bender
The one. The one time they'll allow people to vote remotely is if they are in Israel, because I guess it's considered part of the United States at this point. But, you know, if I was getting on a plane and I saw John Federer and I was coming home from a vacation or whatever, and I saw John Fetterman on that plane and I saw that video of him getting that beeper, I would immediately get off that plane. I don't want to be on a play with John Fetterman holding that beeper. Who knows what could happen with that Bieber.
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Matt Leck
Yeah. I mean, and the broader point is, like, our war on terror has had two massive impact. I mean, a lot of impacts on trust, but two very specific ones, which is the vaccination program that was used to entrap bin Laden has led to anti Vax, sort of. How can you trust these organizations that want to vaccinate the world if they're just going to be spying on your DNA in the most sort of like dystopian way possible? And this, like, we're supposed to trust electronics. We have all these issues about like, oh, we need the chips act because we want the supply chains for electronics to not be in our enemy's hands. Our allies are booby trapping our supply chains. Like, I mean, it's unbelievable, right?
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Matt Bender
And listen, I don't typically want to bring this sort of thing up, but she was a major part of his campaign and she's an activist herself. But you know, his wife appears to have gone along with him on this trip to Israel. And I know a lot of people from Pennsylvania who know her work as an activist. She's a dreamer. You know, they have been working hard to sort of detach her from John Fetterman's turn. And you know, you can't BL someone, a wife, a parent, a child for the act that their husband or father or whatever does. But going on this trip to Israel and sitting there with Netanyahu, that's, that's a step a bit too far for me to say. This is, you know, you can't blame her for, for the opinion. I mean, clearly she had no problem going there with him.
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Matt Leck
Yeah, exactly. You want to do some ads?
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Matt Bender
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Matt Leck
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Matt Leck
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Matt Leck
Should we do these town Halls here?
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Brandon Sutton
4, 5. Yes, let's hit that. I was also just watching this on my stream. They're great. Let's hit those.
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Matt Leck
So yeah, this is Sue Gordon, an attendee at Town hall in central Pennsylvania. Let's check this out. This is Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
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Brandon Sutton
For the Department of Education.
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Matt Bender
He got asked, opened up the computer, guess what, you're gone.
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Matt Leck
Let me tell you what she's talking about.
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Matt Bender
Her son did for the Department of Education. He reviewed contract. He saved everybody in here thousands of.
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Brandon Sutton
Tax dollars and his evaluation was the top.
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Matt Bender
Then I turn on the TV the next day and there is Trump saying they were scum, no good people.
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Brandon Sutton
What they got rid of.
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Matt Bender
I am furious.
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Brandon Sutton
Furious.
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Matt Bender
Where is Scott Perry, our federal workers? He has the most federal workers under him. Where is he?
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Matt Leck
Where's John Mary? Where's John Mary?
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Matt Bender
Where's John Mary?
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Matt Leck
Where's John Mary?
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Matt Bender
Where's John Mary? Where's John Mary? Where's John Mary? I also help those people on Medicaid and Medicare and let me tell you, some of the calls I returned back are poor limited people that can't file their paperwork. So I do it for them with them and get it done. If they get cut, they won't have anything. Same with the seniors. I help them pick plans.
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Brandon Sutton
I help them understand the system.
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Matt Bender
The system is very complicated. So everyone here has to stand up because I see it on both ends. Thank you. Damn. Listen, it's, it's great to see this and that one's specifically good because you got a nice, along with the, the speaker here being really great. You got a nice view of like the crowd. It wasn't from like a stage where you can't really, you saw that crowd. The Republican Party and the various different, you know, MAGA politicians are trying to basically convince their hardcore faithful supporters that the people showing up who are angry to these town halls aren't really, you know, their fellow citizen, their average constituent. These are like leftist activists and I'm sure some of them are obviously. Yeah. But if you look at that crowd, this is the, they were, they were, they were like a, I, I would say based on that, that shot older, like they were like a fairly baby boomer aged crowd. And you know, typically over the years baby boomers have been more conservative because they're older, I guess, and they, you know, they're not going to be as progressive as maybe the millennials, but, you.
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Matt Leck
Know, but they're pro government in certain cases and just like, you know, acts like this, I mean, that woman is the best of us like that. What she does in helping people on Medicaid and Social Security work through a byzantine system that is stacked exactly to make it difficult for those people to do it is heroic. And how dare, like people like Elon Musk and Donald Trump who have scammed their way to the top, tell basically cast aspersions on people like that that they're committing fraud or there's something like that. Like it's really an attack on what is the best of America when it comes to people like that.
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Brandon Sutton
And this is happening all over the country. Like, you can watch, you can watch town halls from all over America and see almost this exact same thing. I think on my stream, we watched one from Spokane, Washington, we watched one from the first district in Nebraska, and this exact same thing is happening all over the country because a lot of Republicans are now. And, you know, I don't want to assume everyone who's angry at these people are Republican voters. Certainly they're not all maga because like, I think Republicans like to make that conflation where like every Republican is like a, you know, tried and true MAGA voter, one of Trump's like, cultists who are going to, like, support him no matter what he does. But that's not true. A lot of people are cultural Republicans who just don't fully understand what the Republican Party is actually trying to accomplish all the time. And they're becoming hyper aware of the reality that the Republican Party, through Trump and Elon, is a party that is, you know, more or less looking to entirely abolish every agency in the government that does anything other than funnel money up to the top, top, top percent of earners. And everyone else is just going to be left out in the lurch. And, you know, unfortunately, a lot of people had to experience that directly for them to fully appreciate that. But now that they are appreciating that, like a lot of the talking points around how undocumented migrants were taking jobs and taking housing was just an, you know, a tool used by the uber wealthy to extract value and wealth from our society, broadly speaking. They're mad. They're angry. Will they be able to properly contextualize all that, you know, the same way that we do, you know? No, but they will be able to see who's doing it to them, especially when people who are doing it to them are doing it as publicly and rubbing their faces in it the way Elon Musk is. And they're angry. They're angry.
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Matt Bender
Right?
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Brandon Sutton
And, you know, that's why they're trying to cancel events like this all over the country, because they want to keep people like this isolated and don't want them to understand that they're not the only ones who are suffering as a result of the Republican Parties. That's a port, you know, the result of, you know, Elon Musk and Donald Trump's machinations. They want to keep people isolated and individualized in such a way that they can't, you know, further contextualize what's happening to them. And it's not working because people are, people are, are having it happen to them.
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Matt Leck
Right?
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Matt Bender
Yeah, that's, that's like a major thing that is, is a huge factor in this that, like, these are, this is immediately affecting people who are also Trump's supporters. Like, you hear story after story of, like, the guy on Social Security who was, as Elon Musk was declaring, oh, so many dead people are getting Social Security. No, it turns out that they're, they're wrongly, you know, there's some, like, administrative issues, of course, but that money isn't going out to a dead person. That person is alive and needs Social Security. And they're just wrongly marked as deceased in the system. But they're. Instead of fixing the mark of him being deceased, they're just assuming the money was going out fraudulently and taking his money. That's one instance. Another instance is like the voter who voted for Trump who wanted him to make the government smaller, but lo and behold, their own children are federal employees and they lose their job, and all of a sudden it's affecting me. I didn't want them to fire my kid. Well, guess what? That's what happens. But you know what? They're gonna now get upset at the administration, and this is gonna continue to happen over and over again down the line with all these things that the Trump administration is affecting. And I think that's what you're seeing really, at these town halls. Like, these people, again, they probably range from a. You know, if you want to say, oh, it's leftist activists. Yeah, I'm sure there are some there, along with some non activists, along with some conservatives who are hit by the Trump administration. It's literally your constituents, your constituency is made up of people of all different backgrounds and all different ideological beliefs.
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Matt Leck
Ironically, it's like the thing that the right always says, like, your actions are making us right wing. It's like, no, you attacking things like Social Security Security and Medicaid and the National Institutes of Health or whatever that is turning people into leftists. And actually, this next clip here, this is from the same town hall. A woman has a suggestion here calling.
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Matt Bender
AOC because we can't get Scott Perry to have a town hall.
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Matt Leck
She is traveling through New Jersey and.
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Matt Bender
Pennsylvania, and she will hold a town hall where your representative will not come. So please call AOC and bring her here and shame Scott K. It is so fantastic that there's someone doing this. Like, if I was aoc, I'd be. I mean, I'm sure she only has limited time and budget to get everywhere, but I would try to hit up as many of these places as possible. And I'm sure she is. I know if I was in Congress. What did you say?
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Matt Leck
She, quote, tweeted that and said, like, yeah, she's. She's making a list of places she wants to go to.
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Matt Bender
Awesome. If I was a congressperson, that's what I would do. I'd be going around to every single one of these places where Republicans are avoiding their constituents. Because not only are you, you know, you're doing two things here. You're showing a group of people in somewhere that's completely unrelated and probably very different from where you're from. That you care about them, which helps in turn whatever candidate decides to run there and then will also help her who, you know, if she has larger aspirations in government.
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Brandon Sutton
Yeah, you know, it is not just about, like, you know, not, but it's about AOC or Bernie Sanders going to these districts to preach, you know, communism like the mortal science of Marxist lemonism. This is about, like, someone needs to go to these places to advocate for the value of the public sector because the Democratic Party just simply does not do this as a coherent part of their messaging. And now people are in a place where they can see what happens when the public sector has been devalued in the minds of enough voters to the point where it can be, you know, continue to be subject to deregulation, defunding, austerity politics. It leads to outcomes like this. And so people need to be going to these districts to contextualize. Like, this is why we need a robust public sector. This is why you should not allow yourself to be convinced by, you know, hucksters that someone else getting something from the government is somehow, you know, impeding your ability to be successful. Because we all get things from the government. The idea of an entitlement program is just like a Reagan era talking point to get people to, you know, know, agree to deregulating every aspect of the government. Not just taking money away from minorities, like the roads that you drive on are an entitlement from the government. They're money that is taken away from the masses to be put into a project that betters all society. And Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid is no different. But we don't hear Democrats not just going to districts like this, but just on the news advocating for, like, this is why we need a robust public sector. This is why we need people to like, work in government. This is why public sector employees are valuable and should be paid for their work and for their labor. And that's what people, you know, need to hear right now. Because this is the result of, you know, 30, 40, 50 years of like neoliberal slopaganda, you know.
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Matt Bender
Right.
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Brandon Sutton
Not necessarily people, you know, going to the town halls and, you know, being angry to result that. But the fact that we got to this point is the result of all those years of people like, what does the government even really do, like, besides get in the way of you and your ability to, you know, make money and do. And it's like, it's. People need, unfortunately, people need a basic civics lesson in like, what their tax dollars go to besides, like, you know, Bombing children, unfortunately.
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Matt Bender
No, that's a great point. And it's sort of like, I guess, like an elitist way of thinking that Democrats a lot of times just go into things with the baseline on belief that people know just these, like, common facts to them. Like, they view these, this as common because they work in politics and policy. They're in this bubble. So they just view this as, oh, I, this is common sense. Everyone knows this. But unfortunately, a lot of people just don't realize that some of the things they take for granted are actually there because of the government. And, and, and that's where your tax dollars went. You know, roads just don't magically spring out of the ground. They're, they're built and maintained.
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Brandon Sutton
And also, just a lot of Democrats just don't, don't believe in that either because they're neoliberal. They just don't believe that the government should be doing as much as it should be doing. And so that's why they tinker around the edges. That's why they allow, you know, know, policies that uplift children out of poly, out of poverty, like the child tax credit, to expire, because ultimately they believe in this illusion of the free market, and that needs to be upheld by our government above the private sector. But Trump and Elon Musk being viewed as, you know, great geniuses are a result of that exact same mentality, this idea that, you know, if you're a successful businessman, we'll abstract that. Who cares how you became successful? Who cares how you became rich? The fact that you are rich and successful is a sign of your inherent moral and intellectual superiority. And so why shouldn't you, you know, run our government? Like when they demonize public sector workers, when they, you know, demonize government bureaucracy, you know, a. Contextually, they give rise to the exact same conditions that lead to the, you know, people like Trump becoming the president. And we just need a, you know, party. They don't need to be fully communist, they don't need to be fully, you know, socialist to just be a part of that. So it was like, okay, but the government has a role in making people's lives better, right? If anything, the references to communism and socialism in our government and our political media is oftentimes just a red herring to prevent people from advocating for or appreciating basic redisputable policies. Even policies that like, you know, like the New Deal or things that are aligned with the New Deal or like, you know, could be seen as being part of that same genealogy are, you know, demonized by people as being like, oh, that's just communism. Even though like they were just made to ensure that like capitalists could still do capitalism more or less with, without people uprising and doing stuff like at this town hall, like banging on tables, calling for Scott Perry to come out so they could do God knows what to him. Right. Like, we're just at a point where people have been subjected to so much neoliberal propaganda by all sides that they just don't fully understand, you know, how we. They don't fully understand what the government does for them and how like their lives would be radically different without the government. Like in a way that they, that they won't. That they can now appreciate. Right. Which is unfortunate that they have to experience it. Experience it to appreciate it. Because people, you know, like Sam, people like us talk to them about it all the time. But until they appreciate it, they won't, they can't. They can't. They can't actually. Sorry. Until they experience it, they can't appreciate it for some reason.
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Matt Leck
And I think it's very interesting, like if you're a Democrat wondering why, why is that woman who is. It looks like she's in a. From the boomer generation, why is she looking out for aoc? It's because like Brandon said, the. This entire generation, for all of our lives, Democrats have been embarrassed by the public legacy of like the New Deal. Bill Clinton won say in the era of big government is over and he's going to end welfare as we know it. And he did. And he said don't worry about it because I have all my CEO friends that are just waiting to hire you as we get you back off of welfare. And how could, how could those, that class of politicians expect that now that it's time to protect what's left of the New Deal legacy, things like Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare. Like the actual only time that Democrats were really good at constructing government in this country. Like we're expecting all these people who are from the period of doing f. All okay, Obamacare. Thanks for just a band aid there. Like we're expecting them to protect it. No, it's going to need to be a Bernie Sanders style or aoc, like a re. And actually I saw Tim Walls sort of talk about this. He credited Ezra Klein's abundance thing, which I think is maybe a little bit sideways, but basically he said, look, like we can't just go back to maintenance of the inheritance of government systems and say we need to put it back how it was before the Republicans messed it up. There needs to be a point where you say we're going to build the new institutions for the 21st century. That is things like public health care. Like, we need to, like, things that didn't need to require the Southern Democrats to get on board with, like, we can set these systems up anew. And so it's. And, but that's, that's the big question. Because Democrats like Wallace see that and, and even some others might see that as necessary. And it is. And there's a whole bunch of other Democrats like Chuck Schumer who do not. Who do not agree with the need to completely basically do a new New Deal. I mean, Nancy Pelosi said the Green New Dream or whatever. We need to do at least that. At least a new Deal.
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Brandon Sutton
I would love us to go further, but, like, we're just at that point where if Trump has four years of whatever the Democrats are doing, calling it opposition, you know, I think that they're trying to set themselves up for an easy 2028 election. If we have a, you know, Democrats getting an easy 2028 election where they put someone like Gavin Newsom into the presidency, you know, we will see in 2032amore outright fascist Republican Party candidacy. Republican Party in general. Right. Because we know people like Gavin Newsom, they will not go far enough left to, you know, tamp down on the material deprivation that gives rise to fascism and, you know, crumbling Western nation. They will just continue to austerity policy. They'll put maybe a more friendly face on it. They'll do some, like, lazy gesturing towards social liberalism. That will just piss people off more and give, like, social liberalism a bad name because it's tied to, like, unpopular neoliberal politics. And then we'll have, you know, President Nick Fuentes In 2032, we won't be staring down the barrel of, like, techno feudalism or like, you know, where we all live and work in the, like, the company minds and then work, shop at the company stores under elon Musk and Mr. Beast. We'll be dealing with outrage. Nazism will be done with, you know, more outright Nazism, because that's what they mean by, like, social and barbarism. Like, we can go in one or two directions. There is no, like, there is no, like, the illusion of neoliberal, like, Democrat type liberalism as, like, a homeostasis is just. That's an illusion. They're like that. That's not a sustainable, sustainable place to be.
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Matt Bender
Also, there needs. It's not just, you know, good policy I feel like there have been many Democrats over the years who talk the talk, say they back something and then when push comes to shove and it's up against the wall, they're like, oh, we tried. We just couldn't do it. Because they knew it wouldn't happen. They knew that there would be something to block it so they would support it. So they got the good graces from that, but happily knew that it would fail. No, we can't do that either. Along with the good policy, we need politicians who are just going to gonna fucking get it done. We're gonna fucking do it, do it. Like, I don't give a shit what the parliamentarian says and all this other bullshit the Democrats like to dance around. Look what Trump is doing right now. Defying orders from judges, literally breaking the law. You know what?
- [40:39]
Brandon Sutton
Break the law for good.
- [40:40]
Matt Bender
If you have to give everyone health care, let Republicans have to peel it back from people after they get it and then let them tell their constituents why they no longer have health care. Like literally. Enough with this bullshit.
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Matt Leck
100%. We got another town hall clip here. This is from Chuck Grassley's district. Just play this here.
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Brandon Sutton
Happening, Brian.
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Sam Cedar
Questions range from how Elon Musk is wielding so much power to tariffs and everything in between.
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Brandon Sutton
Senator Grassley acknowledged the anger directed at.
- [41:16]
Sam Cedar
The Trump administration, administration as well as members of the crowd who supported his sweeping changes.
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Matt Bender
And your role as a long term.
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Brandon Sutton
Senator is to speak up and remember those of us with little power at times.
- [41:28]
Matt Bender
Questions to Senator Chuck Grassley boiled over.
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Brandon Sutton
At a boardroom in the public library in Dyser.
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Matt Leck
I said, I'm going to follow the.
- [41:35]
Brandon Sutton
Court decision, but we're going to.
- [41:39]
Sam Cedar
The crowd size exceeded expectations and were.
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Brandon Sutton
Divided into two meetings.
- [41:44]
Sam Cedar
Gloria Smolik traveled nearly an hour from.
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Matt Bender
Cedar Rapids to be here.
- [41:48]
Sam Cedar
She's also part of the group called.
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Matt Bender
Indivisible, an organization opposed to Trump's agenda.
- [41:53]
Brandon Sutton
I'm very frustrated with the decisions that.
- [41:56]
Matt Bender
Are being made in Washington by the Trump administration. Many of the questions focused on the work of the new Department of Government Efficiency and Elon Musk's impact on shrinking.
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Brandon Sutton
The size of the government.
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Matt Leck
I want to make it very clear, clear that Musk has no power.
- [42:16]
Brandon Sutton
The senator says he's holding the town hall despite the Republican National Committee advising congressional Republicans to stop holding town halls because of how tumultuous the meetings have been across the country. But critics pointed to how even his.
- [42:30]
Matt Bender
Own office didn't promote this event.
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Emma Vigeland
There was no known, no mention of this town town hall. I Didn't find out about it until late last night.
- [42:38]
Matt Leck
We did have a large turnout and there were a lot of tough questions.
- [42:42]
Matt Bender
A lot of people are mad at.
- [42:44]
Matt Leck
What'S going on in the Trump administration.
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Matt Bender
But I hope I was able to.
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Matt Leck
Answer their questions effectively.
- [42:51]
Sam Cedar
Senator Chuck Grassley says his office didn't.
- [42:53]
Brandon Sutton
List this town hall on public schedule because the Tama County Economic Development Authority hosted the event, not Grassley. A lot of us feel helpless.
- [43:02]
Matt Bender
A lot of people had that have similar opinions as I and spending a lot of time, they spend a lot.
- [43:09]
Emma Vigeland
Of time complaining about it.
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Matt Bender
But I think the important message here is you've got to speak up. Seems to me like if, if so many people are showing up to an event, Chuck Grassley, that isn't a officially hosted by you town hall just to speak with you, sounds like you should probably set up some town halls for your constituents then. I mean, the fact that they're going to this unofficial event to talk with you, seems like you should be setting up some events for them. Also, I think you should be posting your, your schedule online, regardless of whether you set it up or not. Give me a break. Oh, God. Like, these guys are just finding any little, like, loophole or, like, excused as to why they're avoiding their constituents. It's amazing. Amazing. Yeah.
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Brandon Sutton
They're running scared. They're scared of their voters, which, you know, they should be. Right. You know, they should be afraid at the very least that they might be voted out of office due to their negative politics and the way those politics and the policies impact people's lives. We know that there's been a mandate coming down from the Republican Party to prevent stuff just like this so that they cancel these meetings so that people can't yell at them. But they don't get all of these, like, clips on the news of Republican Party politicians fumbling to answer questions about why veterans are being fired in large swaths from the va. Like, why people's disabled children are no longer able to, like, go to school and get occupational therapy because they're afraid that, like, the lack of empathy that they rely on for their voters to vote a certain way will be impeded by seeing people like this, who look just like them struggling under this particular government's administration.
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Matt Leck
Shout out to indivisible, mobilizing people like that in all over the country. In Iowa, Iowa state that remind a Democrat, Democrats voted for Obama both times. And like, we wonder, how can we win in areas like that? Well, what did people project onto Obama that had Iowans voting for him that hasn't been able to be projected since. And I'm not saying states don't change. I know like I'm somebody who knows full well type of brain drain that happens in states in the middle of the country and it doesn't have good long term electoral impacts. But they're all these states have a huge fraction at least of people who are right on board with, I mean and an increasing number who would say like oh yeah, I want Social Security. I don't want to have to like drive to dice doll or wherever that was in Iowa to go to the office when I used to be able to just call in because Elon Musk said it's inefficient or like fraudulent or something. Something.
- [45:51]
Matt Bender
Obama was the, Obama was the change candidate. People, you know, people don't like business as usual when life sucks. And every Democratic candidate for president since Obama has not advocated for change. They've advocated for a return to normalcy. Even Biden after four years of Trump, instead of, you know, being a change candidate from the previous administration. It was let's return to normal, not something, something new that will help us. Let's return to life before which is not gonna happen. People looked at Obama as a way to the future and that's why they went with Obama even the eight years, even two terms, cuz that's what he presented to them. And the Democrats for some reason saw a guy win two terms and said let's not follow that strategy. It's bizarre.
- [46:44]
Brandon Sutton
Well, I think they learned the wrong lesson from Obama because the right lesson to learn from Obama is ironically the same lesson you learn from which is that party politics as usual are very unpopular. People do not like the Democrats, people do not like the Republicans. There was just that CNN poll that came out that the Democratic Party that record low favorability there at 29% but that exact same poll. So the Republicans are at 36%. The reason Obama was so successful and the reason why Trump was so successful within the Republican Party is because both were seen as outsiders who were going to shake things up and change politics as usual. That they recognized that both parties incredibly flawed and that career politicians were like robbing people blind and that messaging was enough to win people over towards like voting for them. The Democratic Party had not become more popular since then. Republican Party has not really become more popular as a result of Donald Trump. If anything, they've become less popular even as Donald Trump's popularity is still higher than theirs. I think it's like high 40% but but what the Democratic Party is relying on, or like what the lesson they learned from Barack Obama was that George W. Bush made the Republican Party so unpopular that they would never win presidency again. And when that failed to be the case in 2016, they were like, okay, but surely this time Trump made the Republican Party so unpopular that they would never win again. And that's what they're banking on for a third time, that there is a Republican Party president, presidency, an administration that it will be so unpopular the Democratic Party never has to do anything coherent again other than gesture to the right and go, like, look at these jokers. You wouldn't vote for that. But that's not how it works in this country. Most people are not that, like, in tune with politics to the point where they're looking at things past, like this very immediate moment, how they're able to survive under it, you know, materially and what the person, I mean, who, what party is currently in charge. So I think going forward, unless the parties do something different, we're just going to see a lot more turnover, you know, a lot less like eight year presidencies and a lot more like four years. Four years, okay, now every midterm who's in charge of Congress in the Senate changes as well, unless there's been extreme gerrymandering going on because neither party is dedicated to uplifting a large swath of the population out of poverty. And it's only going to take, you know, for the Trump administration, only took a few months for people to realize that they were just being scammed by like, you know, populist rhetoric. And so we're just entering in a very, very negative place in our society where people are, you know, being widespread, subject to like, austerity politics in a way that, like, they haven't been before. And that's coloring their ability to think past the ex, the immediate moment when it comes to voting or politics at all.
- [49:36]
Matt Bender
Right? No, I think you're absolutely right. Also, though, I think those polls will always have Democrats at a disadvantage because the fact of the matter is that, that Republicans give the majority of the base what they want. So the people who vote Republican are usually happy with their party, whereas Democrats, they give a large portion of their base the opposite of what they want. And even though those people might go out and vote Democrats to stop the Republicans, they still voice their disapproval of the Democrats in those polls. So. So Democrats will always be at a disadvantage in those polls, if you ask me. But that should be a message to them that can't keep going on because eventually those people will become disengaged and just decide that it's not even worth it to do what they've been doing. And that is to just try to stop the Republicans.
- [50:28]
Brandon Sutton
Yeah.
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Matt Bender
If they keep winning, Republicans just keep winning regardless of all the going out to vote against Republicans that you want, then they're going to start to think, this isn't even working. I'm not voting for the Democrats. Me voting against Republicans isn't even doing the job. What's the point of any of this? And that's what they do not want.
- [50:47]
Brandon Sutton
Exactly. People are gonna tune out. I think that you're right that the Republican Party does a lot of better job of mediating people's waning material conditions through the culture war by telling them that, you know, how your roads are all screwed up and you're like post industrial Midwestern town. You know how your son moved away from Cleveland, Ohio to go in New York City and doesn't visit except for once every, you know, few months or so because that's where his job is. That's the result of minorities moving into your community. That's the result of immigrants. And if we hurt those people, it will help you. And a lot of people, you know, find that message compelling due to like, the history of racism and race racist politics in America. And they also find it compelling because there's no real counter message to explain what's actually causing all those things to happen. Because the Democratic Party isn't presenting that, you know, the Democratic Party isn't feeding their base anything that they can latch onto to like, develop the same kind of like, attachment to them that the Republican Party is. But now those people are seeing, because they're being hurt directly, not just not seeing other people be hurt, but they're being hurt directly by Republican Party politics. And so I think a lot of people are not going to necessarily turn towards Democrats. They're just going to check out. They're just going to check out of like the political system because Democratic Party isn't like offering anything other than like not being Republicans for those people. So I think it's hard to see how, how people dig themselves out of this mess without actively offering an expansion of the social safety net in some one way or another, which it might just become necessary if things, if this unrest keeps continuing. Like, if we keep seeing unrest at all these town halls, if protests start breaking out in the streets, if more Tesla dealerships starting get caught up in conflagrations, perhaps spontaneously, they might just have to pass bills to keep things, you know, to a relative level of stability.
- [52:37]
Matt Bender
Right, right.
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Matt Leck
I would just say we have any more.
- [52:39]
Matt Bender
Oh, go ahead. I was going to say, do we have any more of those town hall videos?
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Matt Leck
Yeah, we'll, we'll move on from town halls to look at the most important building in the universe, the White House in a second. But I'll just say I have no information on this. I've never met a Tesla dealer owner, but it doesn't take a lot of imagination to see a giant parking lot full of vehicles that aren't selling well and an opportunity to light some of them on fire and blame the left to do it and collect insurance money. Like I would just take an extra close look at the, at what the owners of those, what contacts they've made in the days preceding blazes instead of the far left doing it.
- [53:22]
Matt Bender
I mean you're right, it has a.
- [53:24]
Brandon Sutton
Lot of blacks rules, energy and also we have to say it but sometimes like Tesla just do do that. They just do that, you know, like not even when they're distressed. They just do that like, you know, so I, I can't. It's a feature feature, not a bug.
- [53:38]
Matt Leck
You need to Pay, I mean 1 of a 200 fee a month in order for it to not do the self. What is the thing? Spontaneous combustion mode.
- [53:45]
Matt Bender
Right. I mean one of one of Musk's companies literally sell a flamethrower. So I mean it's not like, it's not like he's providing them. He's not providing the means himself. I mean there's. There.
- [53:55]
Matt Leck
Do you see the paneling off that was like glued on to the side?
- [54:00]
Matt Bender
Oh yeah. They're not even attacking the other Teslas. Like this is them like getting permission to do this to show off how badly Teslas are made. Like for YouTube videos.
- [54:09]
Matt Leck
Like, yeah, like my algorithm is very good at showing me crappy like people showing how badly made Teslas are.
- [54:18]
Brandon Sutton
Did you see those trucks?
- [54:21]
Matt Bender
Which one?
- [54:23]
Brandon Sutton
The one where like the guy tried to see if like a Tesla auto drive or full self driving feature could tell that it was driving into like a wall painted to look like the road. Because like that would be a good thing. You know, I'm not saying that like Wiley Coyote is out there a lot of times doing that to people, but it turns out Tesla by nature of the fact that it uses cameras instead of stuff like lidar cannot tell the difference between like well painted wall that looks like the road in the actual like road itself and it just drove right through the paneling.
- [54:56]
Matt Bender
That's great. I. That's great. Also we should say that just today, Thursday, March 20, every single Cybertruck has just been recalled due to that issue where, where the trim is just falling off of these cars because they're just glued on, as Matt Lech previously mentioned. Seems like a major issue. Like these cars are just not made well on, honestly. And so you know, if they're. Who, who knows what's going on at these Tesla showrooms? Who knows? Yeah. Also there's another trend going on out there where all these like small time right wing like micro influencers, like the, like the Infowars, like D, D team, not even the B team, like the D squad is apparently are getting, getting swatted apparently and they're trying to blame the left. And I'm looking at these names and I'm like, I, I haven't even heard of some of these guys. Like, and you're telling me someone out there, some like, some like lib lib, hates him enough to, to swat him? This, this reeks. Again, no proof, but due to previous experience understanding this stuff reeks of like right wing infighting or something like that. At the very least that. Because if it doesn't make sense, it just doesn't make sense.
- [56:19]
Brandon Sutton
Yeah, it could be, or it could just be someone who considers themselves to be apolitical, who's mad about the state of what's happening to like the government under somebody who's very publicly doing it. I think, you know, a lot of times on the left we get focused on like you know, declaring everything like is it good or bad, like making a moral statement about like any individual acts of like resistance or antagonism. But in reality, a lot of this stuff just becomes inevitable when you subject mass amounts of people to like incredibly terrible conditions. And it doesn't take any kind of political context, doesn't take reading like a theory. Doesn't take any of that stuff to make someone so mad that they hate you enough to do something without care for how it impacts them anymore. I don't know if you guys heard those death threats. That was it. Tim Tillis. God, Tom Tillis was getting out of like out of North Carolina. I think he's from. I've been watching a lot of Republican stuff. Doesn't really particularly matter where he's from. But like not all those people are like, you know, radical Democrat Kamala voters. Not all people are like, you know, Bernie Bros. Not all people are like tried and true like communists. Some people are just like incredibly angry at the state of their lives as a result of the way the government has abandoned them and now they have incredibly visible targets as a result of that. When people saw what the Adjuster did to that CEO of that healthcare company, that should have been a message to billionaires and politicians like, oh, people are getting really angry now. And they don't see, they don't think, feel like the institutions and agencies that exist, that the politicians that exist are capable or willing to provide real tangible redress for the conditions that people are currently living under. So a subsection of those people are just going to take it into their own hands, which is not a good thing if we're going to put it into a moral. It's a bad thing, but it's a bad thing primarily because it shows that our government has abandoned large swaths of the population to the point where they feel like vigilante justice is the only justice that can be found.
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Matt Bender
Right. It's a great point too that you should probably explain that one to Elon Musk because he's probably the, the number one guy out there right now who's so conspiracy brained that to him everything must be some big nefarious plot with some bigger like name or, or organization behind it. Everything requires some sort of funding. No one just gets angry with what's going on and does something as an individual to him, everything requires some sort of like nefarious funding, you know, some leftist money guy or organization. And it's just like you, you mentioned, it's just the majority of the stuff when it is legitimate, like it isn't some sort of like inside job, is just someone who's upset with how things are going. And this is the only way they know how to share that feeling and that sentiment.
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Matt Leck
I like to take money from the Saudis and then cast aspersions about other people's where other people are getting their money. Let's tuck in. This is this clip we're talking about. This is Mark Ro bear I believe YouTube channel. Can you fool a self driving car? This is him testing Tesla.
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Matt Bender
This one's the only one that matters.
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Matt Leck
Oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm gonna do this. All right, hit it.
- [59:41]
Brandon Sutton
Now. As you can see as a human.
- [59:42]
Matt Leck
Driver, while that looks sort of convincing, the image processing in our brains is advanced enough. Enough that we pick up on minor.
- [59:48]
Matt Bender
Visual inconsistencies and we wouldn't hit it. As for the LiDAR, it isn't looking.
- [59:52]
Matt Leck
At what image is printed on the wall. So this sort of just looks Like a wall.
- [59:55]
Brandon Sutton
Which would make this the easiest test.
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Matt Leck
Of the day and as I suspected.
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Matt Bender
Handled it with no problem.
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Brandon Sutton
So the question was, would the Tesla detect and stop for this Wile E.
- [60:04]
Matt Leck
Coyote style painted wall that was hiding.
- [60:06]
Matt Bender
Yet another child staring at nothing during what might be his last minute?
- [60:11]
Matt Leck
Great test.
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Brandon Sutton
I love. Yeah, it's a good touch.
- [60:14]
Matt Bender
I was actually supposed to go, but I chickened out. The car may not know it's a wall, but I know it's a wall.
- [60:21]
Matt Leck
Everything in your body says, don't drive into a wall. Oh, boy.
- [60:26]
Brandon Sutton
All right, here we go.
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Matt Bender
And so I steeled myself and accelerated.
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Matt Leck
The Tesla up to the 40 miles an hour. And as the wall crept closer and closer without moving an inch.
- [60:36]
Matt Bender
Holy crap. Question was if the Tesla would detect.
- [60:39]
Matt Leck
It in time to step on the brakes. And it turned out, holy me.
- [60:46]
Brandon Sutton
No.
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Matt Bender
So I can definitively say, for the first time in the history of the world, Tesla's optical camera system would absolutely smash through a fake wall without even a slight tap on the br. Wow. Well, I mean, it seems like again, this, that could have been, you know, editing, but it seems like based on what was presented to us, that he was pretty confident. The little lidar powered automated driving system and that other car, the first car in the video, he seemed pretty, you know, sure of himself that he wasn't too worried about going through that wall.
- [61:30]
Brandon Sutton
Yeah.
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Matt Bender
And he had a feeling the Tesla would cause issues because he did not want to even start the Tesla Tesla test.
- [61:37]
Brandon Sutton
Well, yeah, I mean, but they can't put lidar in Teslas because it's too expensive. So this is just like, you know. Yeah. Having it put in, you know, having cameras, like, just like normal cameras do, it is like the way that you cut corners.
- [61:51]
Matt Bender
And you know what? I would understand, I would understand, I would understand that if Tesla sold like really affordable vehicles in order to like help spread, you know, the electric vehicle political, you know, idea throughout the country or the world. So more people had that entry level into EV cars. So we got more gas guzzling cars off the road. I would understand that if that was the case. But Teslas are not that. They're very expensive, even like the base models.
- [62:20]
Brandon Sutton
But no, lidar is really expensive. Like, like way more expensive. I don't think that, like, I think Waymo, like which is like the Google one, and there's like another automated driving car company that does that. Like they both use lidar and they don't even reveal how much each car costs because it would be like, I think probably like half A million dollars or at the very least like you know, the cost of going down to Titanic and a fiberglass tube cost. Like not like a, you know, divorced dad trying to flex on his ex wife cost.
- [62:52]
Matt Leck
Yeah, exactly. The LiDAR thing. We knew this. Also, let's go watch another YouTube video on the same theme because I do think it's instructive. This is video.
- [63:05]
Matt Bender
I'm looking it up right now and I'm seeing people talk about buying lidar systems for like a thousand bucks.
- [63:13]
Matt Leck
Like it's just more expensive than the, it's just more expensive than the optical video solution Musk's has. And that has killed people. Because you know that test that he ran that just demonstrated something that we already knew and has already literally killed somebody. Including one of Elon Musk's biggest fans on YouTube, a guy named Joshua Brown. This is a telling of that story from a YouTube channel by Guy named Nick Crowley. And the title of this video is It's a compilation. YouTube's darkest channel seven. And this is the channel he's talking about. Here is a guy named Joshua Brown who was a self driving enthusiast of Tesla's and posted a bunch of videos about how like great the service was until you know, one day it kind of wasn't so great.
- [64:02]
Sam Cedar
No way of knowing then, but this would not be the last time that Elon Musk would tweet about him.
- [64:07]
Matt Leck
So Elon tweeted out one of his videos when it showed a Tesla like sort of dodging an obstacle on the road. Look at how great self driving is.
- [64:15]
Sam Cedar
Though his next feature would be under much different circumstances. It happened just one month after Joshua Brown's video had gone viral. He was driving on Highway 27 on a clear sunny day at approximately 4pm with open road ahead. Joshua turned on his trusted autopilot and it stayed in autopilot mode for over half an hour, as at this point his trust in the car was higher than ever. Causing Joshua to seemingly lose focus on the road as he was quickly coming up on an intersection where a massive 18 wheeler had been turning left, blocking Joshua's entire lane. Joshua was seemingly so unfocused that he didn't even notice. Notice it even stranger, the car itself didn't detect this either. Despite the entire trailer being horizontal in their lane. This was due to its pure white body as the sun was shining so brightly against it that for whatever reason, it became invisible to the self driving AI. And with neither Joshua nor the car registering the danger that they were in, the vehicle would strike the trailer going 74 miles per hour.
- [65:15]
Matt Bender
Oh God.
- [65:16]
Sam Cedar
There were no attempts by Joshua to even move the steering, steering wheel and the brakes hadn't so much as been tapped. The collision happened at full speed and it happened so fast that the car drove straight through underneath, shearing the entire top of the vehicle off and continuing driving full speed down the road before it would eventually crash to a halt. When the driver of the truck rushed over to see the damage, Joshua Brown was already dead and the truck driver could hear nothing but the sound of Harry Potter.
- [65:45]
Matt Leck
So the guy was watching a movie as he was.
- [65:49]
Matt Bender
Oh my God. I mean, listen, people will argue that there is responsibility for the driver as well. And I, I agree to some, you know, you know, some extent. But at the same time these vehicles should not be providing people with the ability to even do this stuff outright. Like it should not be allowed. There are plenty of things, things that, you know, people's, you know, there are plenty of other things in life where, oh, if a person was smart enough or, or you know, responsible enough, they wouldn't do this. But we then institute systems to make it not only so they shouldn't do this, but they literally cannot do this in order to save their lives. It's just, it's just what life is. It's part of this society's responsibilities. And for some reason we think that when it comes to these self driving cars like Tesla that you, you shouldn't have these, you know, safeguards created. It makes no sense to me.
- [66:43]
Brandon Sutton
I don't think you should be able to. Maybe just makes me a radical leftist, but I don't think you should be able to market something as full self driving just like point blank because you know, you can. You saying calling something like full self driving and then having like a little asterisk after the driving that like leads to a page with like a 30 page disclaimer that's called like this is not actually full self driving. This is some advanced cruise control mechanism and you should pay, pay attention at all times to the road. Like, you know, yeah, it would be great if everybody was incredibly aware of all the caveats of everything that they signed and bought. But they're not. And we know what they're not. That's what we need consumer protection for or we needed it for. And there's a reason why Elon is against those sorts of things because it prevent, because those institutions, if they work perfectly, would prevent you from being able to market something as full self driving, which is what we know is the main source of value for the, besides his own public image, for like the Tesla brand, this idea that, you know it's going to be like the car of the future and he's going to be pushing the robo taxi which won't even have a steering wheel. And like things like that are what drive value for Tesla and they just simply don't work the way that people are being sold that they work much.
- [67:57]
Matt Bender
One of the things that Musk recently was selling to his Tesla consumers as a reason to buy a Tesla. One of the more recent features that have yet to come to fruition, if they ever come to fruition, fruition is that, oh, buy a Tesla and you can make money because while you're at work, the Tesla will become a automatic taxi, a self driving taxi. And when you're at the office or not at home, people can rent your Tesla to get around and the Tesla will leave the parking spot you put it in, go pick the person up, go to their drop off location and work as if it's a self driving Uber throughout today. That is absurd. That it's absurd and you shouldn't be able to, A, you shouldn't be able to have that feature, period. And then B, you shouldn't be able to sell a feature like that that isn't even possible. Or yet at the very least.
- [68:51]
Brandon Sutton
Also in the cyber truck you get the little feature where like if you pay an extra $10,000 a year, it'll do like your visitation, your monthly visitation that you get with your kids as a recently divorced dad for you so you don't even have to go like, you know, there are a lot of features that are designed specifically for Elon's fans. So I mean, I think you have to consider catering to them, right?
- [69:14]
Matt Bender
Tesla drivers who believe in this stuff should ask themselves this question in the only hyperloop in existence, the underground tunnel for Tesla, the only one in existence in Vegas that connects the hotel with two sides of the conventional center. They don't even use the self driving aspect of the vehicle in the single lane tunnel to get people from point A to point B. Each of those cars has a human driver. If the self driving, full self driving, whatever it's called, was so great, why doesn't Tesla institute it in their single lane tunnel that goes to three different locations? Ask yourself that. Why? Why don't they do that? I mean, I'm pretty sure I know why.
- [70:09]
Matt Leck
Should we get to this Laura Ingram tour of the White House that Fox has been on?
- [70:15]
Matt Bender
Yeah, sure, yeah, let's do it.
- [70:18]
Matt Leck
So here's Just a little bit of sneak peek. It's nice to see some of the glamour inside the palace of the new king. And here is Fox News with bringing that to us.
- [70:34]
Matt Bender
Are you paving over the grass here?
- [70:36]
Brandon Sutton
What was happening is it's supposed to have events. Every event you have.
- [70:40]
Matt Bender
It's soaking wet. It's soaking wet.
- [70:43]
Brandon Sutton
And people can. And the women with the high heels, it's just too wet.
- [70:46]
Matt Bender
That's who did the Kavanaugh. That's where you did. And I. Amy Coney Barrett Grass just. It doesn't work. And we have a gorgeous zone and everything else. But, you know, pause it. Positive work because the people fall into the way to the wet living. Living in. In Queens my whole life, I have seen a number of homes over the years that do this exact thing. They have the little front lawn and someone new comes in and buys it. And they don't take care of the lawn. So what do they do? They just fill it with concrete. There is literally not uglier than that. It is the ugliest thing in existence. And he wants to do this at the White House because the grass gets wet. I mean, it is. It is absurd. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I just had to. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. He's even got to mow the lawn himself. There's people who do that for him.
- [71:42]
Matt Leck
I think we should pave it and make it, you know, a little car dealership style. Get more Tesla's in there. Then models. Here's a little bit more.
- [71:51]
Brandon Sutton
They said we have to do something.
- [71:54]
Matt Bender
Like drapes or something because the light eventually affects it. And it's very cool.
- [72:01]
Brandon Sutton
Oh my gosh.
- [72:06]
Matt Bender
Just went up yesterday.
- [72:10]
Matt Leck
The Declaration of Independence there behind some curtains.
- [72:15]
Matt Bender
It's got a little curtain. It's got the little curtain. Curtin. I mean, it's pretty. It's actually pretty spot on. Like, I know they're saying it's so it doesn't get damaged from like the sunlight or whatever, but I. I look at it more as curtain is open until. Donald Trump really doesn't want to respect the Constitution and do things this way.
- [72:32]
Brandon Sutton
So he just.
- [72:32]
Matt Bender
He just pulls the curtain. So I can't look at him back like, I'm breaking you, but don't look at me while I do it.
- [72:38]
Matt Leck
It's peeking through the fold.
- [72:40]
Brandon Sutton
How else are you going to keep Nicholas Cage from stealing it if you don't put it behind a curtain?
- [72:45]
Matt Leck
Right?
- [72:45]
Brandon Sutton
Like, obviously leftist leftists are always supporting Nicholas Cage stealing founding documents from the American people.
- [72:55]
Matt Bender
I mean, this is. This is. This is What? This is what you all voted for. Like, honestly, I don't really care about the Constitution in the Oval Office with a little curtain, nor do I really care about the lawn and just covering it with concrete or whatever. I mean, it'll be. But ugly, but who cares? But, like, this is what Donald Trump is spending his time on. This is what you're very busy. Always working. President is doing. He's doing interior design in the White House and then going to the golf course.
- [73:22]
Matt Leck
He's criticizing our artifacts and. Yeah, going to whack some balls around.
- [73:26]
Brandon Sutton
Like.
- [73:26]
Matt Bender
Like, this is what he's spending his time doing. He's not working for you. He doesn't give a shit. He's outsourced his job to Elon Musk, and he's letting whoever he put in charge in his very various cabinet positions basically work under Musk to deal with their little niche areas of government. And he's. He's on vacation. I mean, this is. This. I mean, I think the most active I've seen him in is the Kennedy center stuff, and that's because he always wished he could take control of a. Of a New York City Broadway theater, if you ask me. I mean, the dude is obsessed with that stuff, which is probably the only. The only endearing thing about him or one of the few endearing things about him. But other than that, he's checked out.
- [74:10]
Brandon Sutton
Yeah, no, he's. He's running like an aging Mafia boss. Like, as long as, like, whoever is gutting our public sector is giving him some kind of kickback in one form or another, whether it's, like, to Jared Kushner, whether it's one of his, like, other stupid children, you know, whether it's Elon, like, he. It also doesn't impede on his personal grips or, like, you know, make him look too bad. He's. He doesn't care. Like, you can tell by the crypto scams he's been running.
- [74:38]
Matt Bender
Oh, yeah, it's. It's. This is totally. He's looking at this, or at least the people around him looking at this as their opportunity to cash out. This is it. This is the moment. The first. You know, that first term. You know, I. I think they had bigger aspirations than that, but this time around, it's. They just don't give a. And they'll do whatever they need to do so that at the end of these four years, they are so filthy rich and powerful that they don't. They don't. They're not even thinking about any potential.
- [75:10]
Matt Leck
Sort of repercussions yeah, I've never exactly. I've never, like, robbed a bank before, but I imagine, like this, if you went in a second time, you would know a little bit better how to get in and get out and where the important stuff is than it was the first time.
- [75:27]
Matt Bender
And you'd be a little cockier, too, about it. And you'd probably try to, you know, maybe that first time you didn't try to get into, like, the personal safes because you just wanted to get into the one big one, like the big bang safe. You didn't get into, like, the personal boxes because you didn't want to, you know, maybe get caught. But the second time around, after not getting caught, maybe you will take your time, look around, see what jewelry is in this box, what documents are in that box, you know, and that's what they're doing.
- [75:50]
Brandon Sutton
This is exactly like Ocean's Twelve. I agree with both of you, but no, and I mean, I think also what is exacerbating that, too, is because, like, Trump winning a second term has convinced them that there won't ever be any repercussions for this behavior. Like Trump winning a second term, probably the distillation effect that you experience on Twitter with all the dumb Elon Musk of fans who are, no matter what he does, they're like, still keep spitting in my mouth. I love it. I love it. Like, it convinces a lot of people who want to believe that they're will never be any kind of, like, significant public backlash or blowback to stuff like this that impacts them. That of course there won't be, because everyone online is like a mindless surf who's just desperate to open their wallets. They're desperate to give their. The tax dollars to 1%, but we're seeing that that's not the case. And I don't think that has trickled up to these people yet. I think they still think they can just tamp it down by, like, not having town halls. We don't have. We don't have a town hall, and people won't even, like, know what's going on. They'll just be, you know, back to eating dirt in whatever district they in. Like, I think that they have a very low opinion of the American. American people, but largely because they support them. Like, like, you know, Trump has a low opinion of his fans because they support him.
- [77:00]
Matt Bender
Right? Yeah, they. They see how easy it is to. To get what they want. They don't need to do very much of anything for their own followers. So what Are they. What do they care? I mean, a perfect, like a perfect example too of a lot of the, you know, we brought up before, like the, the Tesla showroom fires or whatever and the protests at Tesla and what I'm seeing now, the current, you know, and Brandon just brought up how like the sycophants just will eat their slop up no matter what and always support Musk and Trump and what you're seeing a lot. And I think, I think I saw this from you actually, Matt, that Andrew Schultz on, on. Maybe it wasn't from you, but he's on. Who's that other guy? Not Joe Rogan. The guy who's like second place to Joe Rogan.
- [77:45]
Matt Leck
Friedman.
- [77:46]
Matt Bender
No, no, no. The guy with the long hair. He looks like the guy. Oh, so I wish it was Chris Jericho, but actually he's a Trump supporter too, isn't he? Right. Yeah. So. So Schultz was on. Maybe you can even find the video that maybe we should find the video of this if we don't have it. So let's, let's hold up. Let's cover something else. I'll get the video of it because I think this is worth talking about too. It's pretty interesting.
- [78:13]
Matt Leck
Yeah, go ahead. There's a debate here between Sagar and Crystal that I thought was worth maybe digging into for a few minutes. Minutes. This is the story of judge blocking deportations of Venezuelans under wartime law. And I think Crystal really holds her own here and holds Sager's feet to the fire. And I think the ideology Sager is expressing here, I mean, people call him right wing. This is no nothing ism. Sort of nativism of the 19th century. Like I don't care what, where they go, just get them out of here. Sort of lack of on top of, of like, sort of not caring about rule of law and like due process. It's, it's. We've seen this before, but here's Crystal and Sagar talking about this Venezuela story where a James E. Boasberg federal judge issued a temporary order blocking the government from deporting immigrants.
- [79:09]
Emma Vigeland
This court order or not. And basically they don't decided. Not now. They claimed, oh, it was already in over international waters. So, you know, it's, it's out of our hands now. Of course. This is like preposterous and. Well, why is nonsense.
- [79:23]
Sam Cedar
Wait, why?
- [79:24]
Emma Vigeland
Well, because.
- [79:24]
Sam Cedar
Do you think, first of all, look, read the quote in front of you. However that's accomplished, whether planning is turning around or not or not being the operative word.
- [79:33]
Emma Vigeland
However, it's a Plane took off from.
- [79:35]
Sam Cedar
Texas, which immediately put it over international waters within, like, 10 minutes. That was 6:35pm the flight landed in El Salvador at 8:35pm Making it clear that actually it was over international territory and not over the waters of the United States. Now, do you really believe that some federal judge here in Washington, D.C. has the authority to tell the executive to turn a military aircraft around? You believe? Okay, well, then we'll test that at the Supreme Court. We will test that at the United States Supreme Court. And if you're right, then we can import back here.
- [80:06]
Emma Vigeland
How do you know I like that.
- [80:07]
Matt Leck
We get to test it at the Supreme Court as if that's like a sort of unbiased adjudicator ever. It's been stacked with the type of, you know, people that Saga represents.
- [80:18]
Matt Bender
Here also are the, are the international waters he's talking about. I don't know what the flight pattern was, but this is one of the one, it seems likely is the international waters where they hold no jurisdiction over that. There's talking about the recently renamed Gulf of America. They don't have any jurisdiction there, except if they want to rename it. Except if Trump wants to rename it, then that's all on them.
- [80:41]
Brandon Sutton
I mean, come on, they're looking at every, every excuse possible to try to justify this as anything other than an incredible violation of the Constitution because even for, like, you know, they don't want to lose, like, that portion of the Republican base that actually cares about stuff like that, that actually cares, cares about, like, following, like, the law, this, you know, the law and order Republicans who, like, initially held their nose for Donald Trump despite being, like, a known criminal, which, you know, I think it's cool generally, but not in this specific case. And so, like, they have to construct all of these hoops like, oh, it was a military flight. Oh, in fact, it wasn't even a flight that was an American flight at all. It was from Colombia. So it was a, it was a Colombian flight with Colombian pilots. And, oh, it was over international waters, too. And, oh, it was on a Sunday. And, you know, you can't pass laws on a Sunday. Judge just can't adjudicate on a Sunday.
- [81:32]
Matt Leck
It's a military plane.
- [81:33]
Brandon Sutton
It's a military. All things that, like, they think will be able to, like, convince at least a portion of the Republican base that this is okay. And yeah, for, like, maybe like the, you know, the online Reddit Republican types who are always looking for, like, any kind of excuse, any kind of justification, it'll play but anyone with like two brain cells which will understand that this was like a wild violation of people's, like, civil rights in America and that it will more importantly spread to other groups who they might care for more about.
- [82:03]
Sam Cedar
Well, first of all, I mean, this is where. Look, you said something earlier which I think is important. You think your country's being taken away from you because 300 something Venezuelan illegal immigrants were deported to El Salvador.
- [82:17]
Emma Vigeland
How do you. What, what proof do you even have of that? I mean, because here's the thing.
- [82:22]
Sam Cedar
El Salvador.
- [82:22]
Brandon Sutton
No.
- [82:23]
Sam Cedar
That they were immigrants.
- [82:24]
Emma Vigeland
Yeah.
- [82:25]
Sam Cedar
They all entered the country illegally. That's their.
- [82:27]
Emma Vigeland
According. According to the government. I mean, listen, I think that is probably true, but here's what you're defending. Hundreds of people who. We don't know who they are, disappeared into a foreign prison known for torture, where no lawyers or journalists could possibly go and find out who they are and whether the government story adds up with zero due process. That's what you're defending. What I'm saying is that Trump can summarily say, these people, they're gone. I'm putting them in this prison in a foreign country indefinitely at my discretion, and you don't get to say anything about it. That's what happened here. So I just don't see.
- [83:08]
Sam Cedar
I didn't say you can't say anything about it.
- [83:09]
Emma Vigeland
Listen, I think it should be easily.
- [83:11]
Sam Cedar
Challenged to the United States Supreme Court. And I think that within the context of clearly the invocation of the Alien Enemies act, from what I've been able to review, he seems well within his right to be able to do this from a State Department or a terrorist organization. That's not. Listen, you're arguing semantics. I'm talking.
- [83:26]
Emma Vigeland
No, I'm arguing the law. Are we at war right now? I mean, it's been invoked three times.
- [83:31]
Sam Cedar
You look in the past war of.
- [83:32]
Emma Vigeland
1812, World War I, World War II. Those are the three times it's been invoked. All three times, especially during World War II, quite shamefully, in the internment of Japanese citizens. You think it's okay for our government to. To round up whoever claim they're criminals and imprison them indefinitely in a foreign prison to be tortured? Well, I'll be insane.
- [83:54]
Sam Cedar
To me, you seem much more concerned about that than the importation of 8 to 10 million illegal immigrants under Joe Biden. That seems to me something. My country's been taken away. So this is what I'm saying. Like we can.
- [84:05]
Brandon Sutton
Wow.
- [84:06]
Matt Leck
Yeah. Can I want to say, like, Sager is younger than me. You can't tell by the attitudes he expresses sometimes, but that shit to me is entirely phony. You think, you look around at what's been going on in this, whether it's this country, whether it's Western civilization, whatever these losers, you know, like to fetishize these days, what's been going on and you think the problem is foreigners. You think the problem is foreigners. That is ridiculous. That like we have a, we have an issue where capitalists are driving society into the goddamn ground. And this anger, like, it's one thing if you're in like a border community and your public services are being taxed because it frankly should be a federal effort to make sure that we can deal with refugees and asylum seeking, stuff like that. I understand that you're a media professional like Sagar is, and you're going to say that the problem is foreigners. I'm sorry, man, I think that's so ridiculous.
- [85:04]
Matt Bender
I gotta say. I took some like, criminal justice classes, you know, throughout my education. And like one thing that always stuck with me from that I learned was like the idea that the US justice system, in the US justice system, it should be that, you know, we, it should be seen as, you know, if 10 guilty parties were to go free and found not guilty, that's better than a single not guilty, like innocent party going to prison wrongly. And he's basically, what if they're not citizens, Bender?
- [85:38]
Matt Leck
What if they're not citizens?
- [85:40]
Matt Bender
You know, in, in that, in that analogy that I learned, they made no determination of citizen or non citizen or anything like that. Simply guilty or not guilty or innocent. I mean, it's, he, he's advocating for the opposite of it. Send as many people away as possible. Innocent too. As long as we get one guy in prison. I mean, it's just one possibly guilty party in prison. I mean, it's ludicrous and it's against everything that supposedly being American and a loving America is supposed to all be about. I mean, it's, it's ridiculous.
- [86:12]
Brandon Sutton
I mean, he's clearly grifting too. And all these people, like I'm reminded by that, that jubilee debate that Sam had with those 20, you know, jokers and that like one, the one blonde girl, blonde lady who turned out to be Canadian or something was saying like, you know, all this about Western values, all this stuff about like, you know, European values. But then they express stuff like this that goes against the founding documents of most Western countries that are based on like enlightenment ideals. Now. Agreed, we definitely have laws on the books in that are archaic, like the One that they're referencing how that should have been abolished, that go against the values and spirit of those underlying ideology.
- [86:54]
Matt Leck
That Thomas Jefferson voided when he came into office right after it.
- [86:58]
Brandon Sutton
Exactly. But when you expressed so like full throatedly that you just disagree with people getting due process, you disagree with people having the right to like, you know, their day in court, because we know that's what Trump administration is doing. They're like keeping people from their days in court. They are shuffling them around to more, to more sympathetic jurisdictions to avoid having them be tried in the jurisdiction that they live or reside in so that they can have a more favorable outcome for themselves. They're denying the orders from judges to stay or provide more information. Like, these are things that like, you know, our founding fathers had many issues and our politicians since then could you have many issues. But it's clear in the Constitution, it's clear as day. And they'll still like come up and say things like, oh, well, you know, I'm in favor of America and other people who agree. No, you're not. You're not in favor of America in any way that would, that would be understood to like anyone who founded America, other than like the racism, obviously, but the things that you espouse that should happen to people who are citizens or who are at the very least humans who are within our borders, who the Constitution applies to would be foreign to the way that they considered like the ideal for the United States of America and the fact they need to be called out on it. Ultimately, this is, this is unconstitutional. I personally think the Constitution could be revived a little bit, but they claim to have some real fealty to it. And then they say things like, oh, but America should be like a religious fundamentalist state. America should like, like, you know, kick people out without due process because we know that, you know, I wouldn't necessarily concede even Crystal Ball's point about we knowing that they were Venezuelan or even because we know ICE has scooped up like Puerto Ricans because they're Latino and they speak Spanish, but they're American citizens. Like, we know that this stuff is impacting people who are not fitting into like the very neat box of not just like Latin American, like criminal gang members, but the very neat box of just like not American citizens.
- [88:58]
Matt Bender
Yeah, they've been picking up, they've been picking up American citizens who look Hispanic. Yeah, it's all. There's already been stories that have been reported that American citizens born here are being picked up because they looked Hispanic and then they're being held for 24, 48 hours until someone from ICE decides to actually open up their wallet and take a look at their id. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, whoopsie.
- [89:21]
Matt Leck
And to Crystal's credit, she's mentioned those stories that they've. When reporters are actually able to get to the people which who knows if they will be able to. In Bukele's Gulag in El Salvador, like Brandon said, they point out that oh, actually we can't. Turns out can't take Department of homeland security and ICE's word for this shit because it turns out they're fascists. Let's watch a little bit more. I also just want to key people into. It's very interesting how Sager, he plays between the difference between like what he thinks is what he personally thinks is morally right and just and what he thinks the law allows, which I think is a little bit of a sign of a little bit of weasel holiness. But here we go.
- [90:01]
Sam Cedar
Can play this game all day long. Do you think that's an invasion? I think that's an invasion. Eight to ten million illegal immigrants.
- [90:06]
Emma Vigeland
But that's not what he's talking about.
- [90:07]
Sam Cedar
But he's talking specifically about Venezuelan migrants.
- [90:11]
Emma Vigeland
Yes and no. No, he's talking.
- [90:13]
Sam Cedar
Yes. Yeah.
- [90:16]
Emma Vigeland
How many people are here from trend.
- [90:18]
Sam Cedar
I have no idea.
- [90:19]
Matt Leck
All right.
- [90:19]
Sam Cedar
And that's my even say roughly.
- [90:22]
Matt Leck
So it goes from we're in invasion. That puts us in a war situation all the War of 1812, World War I and World War II. But I don't know how many are here. Because he's full of shit. Because he knows that he needs some kind of righteousness to point to in this. All these, all this border stuff is very much apologies for. It's a proxy for like why aren't people's lives getting better? But it's actually not the reason migrants aren't the reason that people's lives aren't getting better. It's capitalists. Capitalists can't compete with say like the ccp. And so we need to find. I mean this is what the Nazis did. We need to find someone to blame. That's what Sager is doing here. And I'll just point out like this know nothing thing, I don't know how many there. I don't even know why they're here. The center for Economic and Policy Research, a think tank, has done a lot of work on this sort of stuff. And I'll just point to a recent thing. March 3, 2025. Economic sanctions a root cause of migration, including the sanctions that we put on that country that among other things destroyed their main commodity, export oil. And we wonder why people. Well, I guess Sagar doesn't wonder why. He just wonders how quickly he can gulag all the people that our foreign policy invades our own country with.
- [91:35]
Brandon Sutton
Well, I mean also this kind of white supremacy, this kind of ethno nationalist grifting is just a scam. It's an affinity scam aimed at poor white people and also people who have been able to like convince themselves that their interests are aligned with poor white people, like poor Latinos and poor black people to shrink the proximity between them and the people who are robbing them, like Elon Musk by convincing them that Elon Musk cares about them simply by nature of the color of their skin, when in reality Donald Trump does not care about poor white people. Donald Trump doesn't even care about middle class white people. Donald Trump doesn't care about poor Latinos or poor black people really either. This kind of rhetoric is to convince people to like open their wallets for billionaires so that they can protect them from some kind, you know, roaming migrant gangs that exist in such minuscule numbers in this country that it's not really worth noting instead of like focusing on the people who are actually making their lives worse. And I think we've seen the tons halls. People are starting to realize that a little bit more now because it's being done so like clumsily and openly. But like people like Sagar are just a little bit better at like articulating that kind of like, you know, that kind of correlation. And they do it, they do it for money. They do it so you don't realize that they're openly advocating for your life to be made worse.
- [92:55]
Matt Leck
Is a little bit more.
- [92:57]
Emma Vigeland
Several hundred.
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Sam Cedar
Who are we getting on the aclu?
- [93:00]
Emma Vigeland
Nicaragua.
- [93:01]
Sam Cedar
Yeah.
- [93:01]
Emma Vigeland
How many people are here from trend?
- [93:03]
Brandon Sutton
I have no idea.
- [93:03]
Sam Cedar
All right.
- [93:04]
Emma Vigeland
And that's my even say roughly several hundred.
- [93:08]
Sam Cedar
Who are we getting that on the ACLU or from the lawyer?
- [93:11]
Emma Vigeland
From, from agencies, from international agencies that track law and order border across Latin America. These are not like liberal do gooder. These are people who are looking at.
- [93:22]
Matt Leck
I don't know why he's taken exception with, take an exception with a number. He had no contrary like number for like who. Who regardless of who said it was 700. You don't, you didn't know how to even do an estimate of this thing you said is an invasion.
- [93:37]
Brandon Sutton
This is just another example of the like the Hamas run health Ministry, like, like, yeah, delegitimizing point. Like this is just like, well, like you can't trust the numbers. Like how many trans people people are in America? Like you know, 100,000, 1 million. Where you get those numbers from like the, the Planned Parenthood that like that makes the numbers suspect. That way I can just say it's any number. It's a hundred million trans people. It's a 100,000 million immigrants cross crossing the border every day there are more migrants in the country, there are more Mexicans in the country than there are Americans. Forget what you've heard on the, you've heard from the news.
- [94:10]
Emma Vigeland
The spread of gangs around the world, okay? Many actually of these people likely were fleeing violence from the very gang that you're talking about.
- [94:21]
Sam Cedar
That's probably a convenient narrative.
- [94:22]
Emma Vigeland
Hold on, hold on.
- [94:23]
Sam Cedar
I think that's a very convenient narrative.
- [94:25]
Emma Vigeland
In terms of who again, how the.
- [94:27]
Matt Leck
Fuck would he know? He hasn't looked into it. Or he has no interest in like why there are like, oh, why are Venezuelans coming here? Where did Trende Aragua come from? Sagar, where did ms.13 come from? Maybe they both came from fucking prisons. Because people like you for so long have just said let's just cage everybody, let's just cage everyone. That'll solve the problem. You think there's not going to be downstream effects from Bukele's prisons? You fucking think so? There's either going to be death camps or there's going to be gangs. I guarantee you they're either going to start just shooting people down there or it's going to become a huge, huge problem with oh crap, it turns out we can't just indefinitely cage people like this.
- [95:04]
Brandon Sutton
Also like that kind of argument is just an appeal to like a very specific logical fallacy that the are right falls to like every day online, but never identifies in themselves when they're talking about ad hominen, which is that just like an appeal to incredulity, like if I don't believe something, if I hear something that doesn't sound right to me, like based on like my limited understanding of the world or my experiences, then it must be wrong or suspicious in some way. And I don't necessarily look into it to know because my gut instinct is so finely tuned stuff like this, but I can tell it's the underlining, it's the like the undercurrent of most right wing propaganda that like you can just, you know, imagine that something doesn't sound right to you. Like Jewish Nazis, black, white, Supremacists. That doesn't sound right. That doesn't sound right, so it can't be true. I'm so very smart.
- [95:52]
Emma Vigeland
Was brought to Guantanamo Bay, okay? Imprisoned in Gitmo. The Trump administration made the same. Oh, these are gang members. These are the worst of the worst. Some of them didn't even have criminal records at all. All. Some of them who they claimed were in trend Aragua. It was because of. Either they were from that state of Aragua in Venezuela and actually, like I said, had been fleeing the violence from this gang, or they happened to have a tattoo that made them think, like, oh, they're just in the gang. One of the people who was part of this group is LGBT Venezuelan who was in prison, according to his lawyer, because of his tattoo, was assumed to be in a gang. That's what we're talking about here. So there is no reason why is.
- [96:39]
Sam Cedar
He being gay or whatever? How is that relevant?
- [96:41]
Matt Bender
Like, what?
- [96:42]
Emma Vigeland
Because how do you think it's going to go for him, Sagar?
- [96:44]
Brandon Sutton
What?
- [96:44]
Emma Vigeland
He's an artist. How do you think. This is my whole.
- [96:47]
Sam Cedar
So he's magically allowed presence in the United States.
- [96:49]
Emma Vigeland
Okay, then don't care.
- [96:51]
Matt Leck
Presence of the United States. No, you fucking Nazi. He's allowed due process to prove. Prove that he doesn't get deported to a gulag as a gang member. The dishonesty is so palpable, it's unbelievable.
- [97:04]
Matt Bender
Like, I think. I think they're like. Or Sagar, in this case is even avoiding, like, the most basic, like, baseline here, where, like, all right, let's see. In a normal process, these people were deported. They would be, you know, just for being in the United States, not for a crime, just deported. They would just go be deported to wherever country they originated from, and they would live there freely. Like, they wouldn't be in a prison there. We just sent people who committed no crime at all to a prison in El Salvador for simply being in this country, which even if they weren't supposed to be and went through the normal process, would have just been deported to their country of origin, where they would, again, not be in prison there. Like, that's something that he's not even considering here. So, yeah, her point is that the LGBTQ artist who did not commit any crimes, who is not a criminal, should not be in a prison to begin with. And, yeah, that person should probably will be targeted in prison for not being, like, a hard criminal, and he's in this hard prison in El Salvador. I mean, that's her point. Seemed pretty obvious, but he's playing stupid.
- [98:17]
Emma Vigeland
How do you think this is my whole.
- [98:18]
Sam Cedar
So he's magically allowed presence in the attack.
- [98:21]
Emma Vigeland
Okay, then don't care that he's gay. Do you care that he was wrongfully imprisoned and disappeared into a foreign jail cell and there's nothing that anyone can do about it? Does that bother you?
- [98:30]
Sam Cedar
His ACLU lawyer. He's not a part of the air trend. Do you truly believe I'm supposed to trust some open borders believe. Yeah.
- [98:38]
Emma Vigeland
That they rounded up, successfully rounded up every trender Aragua gang member in the country. That's it.
- [98:44]
Sam Cedar
No, I don't.
- [98:45]
Emma Vigeland
Mission accomplished. Okay.
- [98:46]
Sam Cedar
If anything, there's probably, probably a lot more than need to go now. This is actually what I'm saying is that at the end of the day, within the powers of the State Department, which has declared this in fto, the powers within the executive are quite clear. I also note Trump literally promised to do this on the campaign trail. So this was one of the most telegraphed.
- [99:01]
Emma Vigeland
Okay.
- [99:02]
Sam Cedar
Are you in, like, modern states?
- [99:04]
Emma Vigeland
Are you good with it? I mean, Chris, random people, are you.
- [99:07]
Sam Cedar
Good with 8 to 10 million illegal immigrants coming in over four years?
- [99:10]
Emma Vigeland
We're changing the subject. Yes, I am. You know that I'm.
- [99:13]
Matt Leck
Okay, so let's answer that. Should we? He thinks it's such a challenge. I think that there should be less people displaced by, say, our foreign policy. It'd be nice if nobody was displaced and could just live a great life in the place that they are. To the extent that people do get displaced, I reject that. It's because Democrats are saying, let's do open borders now. Come in and let's replace Republican voters. It's more because we want to again destroy Venezuela's economy because we don't like their politics.
- [99:42]
Matt Bender
I also, I feel like if you want to come here, you should be able to come here. And you know what? The fact that there's even this, this issue where people have to come here as undocumented immigrants is a failure of our immigration system. They should be able to get through our system super fast. We should be able to process people much quicker. They want to come here. We just check to make sure that they're, you know, they're not going to do anything horrible or just terrible like for the few, the very few criminals that there are. And everyone else should be allowed to come in very easily, legally.
- [100:15]
Brandon Sutton
Yeah, no, I agree. I am not okay with 8 to 10 million illegal immigrants or undocumented immigrants coming. They should be documented and legal. I think I'm okay With, you know, infinite number of documented and legal immigrants coming to this country and being, you know, adequately integrated into our social safety net, adequately integrated into our workforce, adequately integrated into our culture. The point that they want to be, because that's what makes America a rich country that flourishes. What they're advocating for is something that will result in not just those people being subject to vast human rights abuses, but the country as a whole being worse off in basically every single way. And they're going to do their best to occlude that latter fact that, like, this is going to make your life worse as well, because they've spent so many decades convincing you that doing this to people will make your life better. So that, like, that smug asshole saga can go on that on television and not even believe half the stuff he's saying, just, like, grin at you. Because he likes the art, likes the idea of the argument he's making. He likes the fact that he's able to rile up Crystal. Obviously he likes that his argument probably sounds good to, like, a bunch of dumb people online. The same with the Ben Shapiro types. Like, you can always tell when they, like, some people really are zealotly in belief of this. But he's not. He's not. He's doing this for money. And that's, that's a version good sign of, like, what the Republican Party media sphere is about. People trying to convince you that shooting yourself in the foot is actually going to enrich you because it enriches them.
- [101:46]
Matt Leck
And the whole premise that they're concerned about, the whole premise that they're concerned about, oh, it's, this is suppressing working class wages, as if they're not interested in that themselves. Donald Trump literally does that. He's literally on the books, building his claim to fame. Trump Tower with undocumented Polish workers that when they said, hey, we're tired of being stiffed on our meager pay that is already undercutting the unions in the area, they threatened to kill the liaison because he, the liaison that was between Trump and the workers said, well, I'm going to call ICE if you guys don't get in line. It wasn't ICE back then, it was border enforcement. But, yeah, like, if we're worried about what's going on with wages, there are ways to do that. You do the proact, you make it a lot easier, easier to organize. There are all sorts of ways besides this, what is basically a military industrial content, a militarial industrial complex on our border, which is what the border sort of Militarization is, which is just a way for us now we're turning away from all these foreign wars. Trump is the anti war guy. If we're just pumping military equipment down to the southern border, it's going to the south. Same sort of evil contractors that, you know, it's just just slightly different money going to a slightly different place and also the border.
- [103:05]
Brandon Sutton
And I try not to make this about the impact that it's going to have on, you know, people other than who is directly impacted, you know, which are the undocumented immigrants specifically the ones that are being terrorized by this terrorist regime, the ones that are being extraordinarily renditioned by ICE to, you know, essentially what would be a black site if it wasn't for the fact that El Salvador is run by like an openly like far right maniac. But the border in border militarization is how domestic surveillance, domestic militarization, foreign militarization, foreign spying networks, how it's imported home. Like it's the mechanism, it's the vector by which we start to bring the war on terror back to American soil. Even more than we saw with stuff like the Patriot act and, and other acts in post 911 Congress passed. And it's how we turn. Like, you know, when they say every border is, I mean every state is a border state is how they justify militarizing every state. It's how they justify removing habeas corpus from everybody in every state. And we've seen, you know, it's not just Latinos who get caught up in this. There are a lot of white undocumented immigrants in America too. Like, if you think that there is a simple way to tell who is and is not American American, visually it's because you are a racist. But there is not. There are plenty of undocumented Irish immigrants in America. There are plenty of undocumented Canadian immigrants in America. There are plenty of undocumented immigrants from all over Europe or white in America. There are plenty of white passing undocumented Latinos too. And ICE will use that as an excuse to remove everyone's civil rights in this country. And the people who are cheering it on are either stupid or believe that they are insulated by their own wealth. Like Cigar believe that he is and so it will not impact them. But though most of those people are.
- [104:51]
Matt Leck
Wrong and it's already happening. Like all these Mahmoud Khalil, but also the Georgetown teacher, like, that's yes, all the border enforcement, they've, they're not looking at trend or Ragua, you moron that was just a propaganda object to get people scared. They're looking at people who posted Free Palestine are on green cards. Now, let's just play a little bit more of this, because I like the way Crystal holds. Holds his feet to the fair and.
- [105:16]
Sam Cedar
Are you.
- [105:17]
Emma Vigeland
Are you good? Quit changing the subject.
- [105:19]
Sam Cedar
That's. Are you part of the story?
- [105:21]
Emma Vigeland
Are you comfortable with random people being snatched up?
- [105:25]
Sam Cedar
I don't think that they're random. I think they're illegal.
- [105:27]
Emma Vigeland
Okay, give me, give me your proof.
- [105:28]
Matt Bender
What?
- [105:29]
Brandon Sutton
Of what?
- [105:29]
Sam Cedar
That they entered the country?
- [105:30]
Emma Vigeland
No, give me your proof. These are gang members.
- [105:32]
Sam Cedar
I don't have to offer that proof. And actually, even the government doesn't necessarily have to do that either for agencies.
- [105:38]
Emma Vigeland
But are you good with that?
- [105:39]
Brandon Sutton
With what?
- [105:40]
Emma Vigeland
Being able to snatch up random people.
- [105:43]
Sam Cedar
But they're not random. They're here.
- [105:44]
Brandon Sutton
Who are legally.
- [105:45]
Sam Cedar
They're not citizens. They are.
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Emma Vigeland
So you're fine with. Okay, you think that the. An appropriate punishment for people who are fleeing gang violence and coming here seeking a better life. According to you, do you think that an appropriate punishment is to be disappeared into a foreign jail cell, to be tortured indefinitely and subjected to slave labor?
- [106:04]
Sam Cedar
What I think is that their responsibility and safety is the problem of the Venezuelan government and that they can argue to the government of El Salvador and identify individuals.
- [106:13]
Emma Vigeland
My question, is it okay with you, Crystal? Is it okay with you? You think it is an appropriate punishment for someone who crossed our border seeking a better life to be disappeared with zero due process into a foreign jail cell to be tortured? Are you good with that person?
- [106:31]
Sam Cedar
First of all, look, you're offering up a lot of claims which you don't even necessarily be true. In the same way you can't say for certain or whatever, they've been tortured. Oh, they had their head shaven by the El Salvadorian.
- [106:41]
Emma Vigeland
This is what this prison is known for.
- [106:42]
Matt Bender
Okay.
- [106:42]
Brandon Sutton
Okay.
- [106:43]
Sam Cedar
That's the whole point of what El.
- [106:44]
Emma Vigeland
Salvador is known for.
- [106:46]
Sam Cedar
I think it's. Look, as I continue to say, when you let in 8 to 10 million people and you elect a president who says, I'm gonna use the Alien and Enemies act to mass deport people and stand in front of a sign and then you elect win the popular vote, then, yeah, I am okay with it. And in fact, the only problem I have with the Trump administration is that they've been prioritizing the stupid shit like trying to deport someone like Mahmoud Khalil for some billionaire donors and not the people who came here illegally. Those people entered our country criminally and illegally. This whole, oh, fleeing a better life is bs it's not bs. They're economic migrants.
- [107:20]
Emma Vigeland
That's fleeing for a better life. I mean, problems.
- [107:31]
Matt Leck
This bad life stuff is my.
- [107:36]
Matt Bender
He. He just constantly. He's constantly playing stupid throughout the whole thing, like every. Because he's deflecting. He doesn't want to answer the question. He doesn't want to answer the question.
- [107:44]
Brandon Sutton
Right.
- [107:45]
Matt Leck
It's the fight. It's the. Well, people voted for it. If you actually look at the polling. People want the. The sort of violent criminals deported. Right. Which is what we're already doing. The idea that they want mass, mass deportations, particularly when you drill down to what that means is just people who have done nothing wrong but that they weren't documented when they came into this country is not popular. It's. And, but here's the thing, like none of these guys can say actually, I mean, that's why I like that Crystal eventually pulled out of him. What do you want? Regardless of your interpretation of, you know, John Adams era alien laws, who gives a fuck with that? Because we don't have real courts in this country anyway that will adjudicate law in any kind of unbiased manner. What do you want? Do you want these deportations to be done in an entirely lawless manner where there's no sort of checks on. Oh, is that. Is this person actually a gang member or is that just something that people like Sagar say to try to get public opinions to remain on their side as they do horrible shit? Because they know that they need to call these people Trend Aragua, even though they fucking know that actually that's not just who they're concerned about. Because Saga admitted he doesn't know how many Trend were there. He's concerned with every single person that's undocumented, regardless of whether they're Trend or agua or not. Trender Aragua is just, like I said, a propaganda object for fascists like Sager to scare people with.
- [109:16]
Brandon Sutton
Yeah, he calls them Trende Aragua because he doesn't want you to see the connections between their civil rights violations and your civil rights violation. That's why they've started to call like all Latino gangs cartels. That's why they've started to call all cartels terrorists, because they've laid the foundation for people to believe that if you are just labeled the wrong type or a very specific type of criminal, civil rights just don't apply to you and they shouldn't apply for you to you. I don't care what Trump ran on. I do care what Trump ran on. But like, you can't, you shouldn't be able to run in a country on violating people's civil rights. That's what makes them civil rights. You shouldn't be able to run on violating the Constitution and then when you get elected go like, well, yeah, I'm going to violate the Constitution. That's why we're supposed to have checks and balance what the Constitution is for. Right? That's what I mean. Like when you advocate this kind of stuff, like, I know we have a lot of openly fascist Americans. That goes without saying. You know, part of the problem with America is that some of you are openly fascist, but you shouldn't be able to frame that as being some kind of somehow in tune with like the, you know, ideals of the American project. Because it just isn't, you know, it really isn't. Regardless of like the individual instances, like the alien enemies acts you can reference. Like, we know what people theoretically founded this country based on and it's not this right now. Does that just, does that like, should that be the only reason we don't do this because of what the founding fathers thought? No, but at the very least we should contextualize what they're wanting as being so rational, divorced from what like people who believed and like founded this country would have considered to be like American patriotism. Like, you know, it's more aligned with the authoritarian regimes that they claim to, you know, hate. I guess.
- [110:55]
Matt Leck
Yeah. It's also like ironic the rise in migration, which again is tied to all sorts of things that we should address as a world community. But Trump was running on building the wall in 2016. Like, this is just that it's tied to any sort of statistics about demographics and foreign born population is again, it's just like, it's just lies. And Trenda Ragua is just the domestic version of Hamas. Don't trust anything. They're scary and it justifies force. I have that. I think the Andrew Schultz on Theo von.
- [111:28]
Matt Bender
Yes, I posted it in the. Yeah, let's do that because. Yeah, so we were, we were talking before about the Tesla showroom vandalism, allegedly and all sorts of these Tesla protests. And apparently the right is going to now. Well, they have been, but it seems like they're really starting to, you know, circle around and protect poor little weak, vulnerable Elon Musk, world's richest man, who apparently doesn't have any way to protect himself other than the podcast comedians coming to his rescue. So here's Andrew Schultz on Theo Von's podcast defending Elon Musk and the protests against Tesla. And I want to bring this up because I'm seeing this line that Schultz brings up more and more about how, listen, whatever you think about Elon, how can you harm an American company like Tesla? You want to see Americans lose their jobs over this because of. Because if you disagree with Tesla CEO, play, play Sheltz here.
- [112:44]
Brandon Sutton
So, for real.
- [112:46]
Matt Bender
So, so this is like a kind.
- [112:47]
Brandon Sutton
Of shitty situation where like, yes, I.
- [112:49]
Matt Bender
Understand that he's antagonizing people.
- [112:50]
Brandon Sutton
He's like rubbing people the wrong way.
- [112:52]
Matt Bender
You don't like the guy, you don't like the beliefs, you don't like what he's doing.
- [112:54]
Brandon Sutton
And there are things to criticize. I'm not saying there aren't things to criticize. Like, everybody is. Nobody's above criticism.
- [112:59]
Matt Bender
But to punish.
- [113:02]
Matt Leck
Can I say name one? Go ahead, do it. What would you emphasize, Schultze? There's always sense to criticize. It's very easy to say, put one on the line of criticism.
- [113:12]
Matt Bender
But to punish that car company that is 100% made in America, made by people living in America. Americans rely on those jobs.
- [113:23]
Matt Leck
Like maybe we criticize another thing, right? Like what is your goal? That we shut down those factories and those Americans lose those jobs?
- [113:31]
Brandon Sutton
That makes you feel better about your gripe with Elon? That's the thing. Some people, they, they just want to win an argument. It feels like, you know, there's people that rely on those fucking jobs.
- [113:40]
Matt Leck
Oh, for.
- [113:41]
Matt Bender
So this is, this is, this is such a great argument because it shows just how, how stupid these guys are, honestly. Because why are people pro protesting at Teslas? Because they want to show their disapproval of its CEO, Musk. And what is Musk doing that is so bad? Well, one of those things is he's openly advocating for fascism and right wing governments all over the world. That's one reason, but a bigger reason. Probably the main reason people are protesting against Tesla because of Musk is because Musk, through his government project with Doge, is fired. Firing slews of federal workers. American citizens. American citizens are losing their job because of Elon Musk. This is amazing that they're so worried about Tesla and the Tesla employees losing their job. They don't even care about the fact that Elon Musk right now is firing people. American citizens are losing their job right now because of Elon Musk.
- [114:43]
Matt Leck
The irony is we feel the way he feels about Tesla, but we feel it about the United States government, which I would argue is a better thing to feel it about.
- [114:53]
Brandon Sutton
You know.
- [114:54]
Matt Bender
On top of that though, there's the added thing though that these are guys who I am sure I can guarantee you probably find in two seconds a Schultz clip of him knocking or criticizing or, or any of these guys really doing it. Cheering the decline of some company they disagree with. They did it for Bud Light. They did it, they do it all the time for like Disney. All these companies that hire American workers and provide good American jobs. If they don't agree with them though with their right wing opinions, you better believe these are the first guys out there cheering on any, any small repercussion that these companies feel for, end up feeling for not agreeing with them. It is absurd. These guys are ripe with hypocrisy.
- [115:37]
Brandon Sutton
Yeah, no, I, I'll try to avoid making any like casting any aspersions at the online comedians. People get so mad when you make fun of like their, their favorite like intellectually sub normal comedian. They'll you like you slap one of their parents online. But what I will say is that you know, two points, right? The valuation of Tesla is inextricably entangled with Elon Musk's public perception. When people thought that he was like Tony Stark when he was like doing cool like flamethrower gags. Even now Tesla's stock prices were booming because people were able to believe that he was going to like you know, this new era technology technologist who's going to you know, usher in a wave of like future technology that like we haven't, you know, we're all just waiting for, we're all waiting for hover cars, we're all waiting for self driving because we're all waiting for space exploration. It was very easy to believe that when he was like you know, only in the news sometimes not that people are aware of the kind of person that he is. Much harder to believe that. Much harder to ignore his problematic politics. The second part of this is that like I think it's revealing for, and I don't know much about these two, you know, excuse me, me but the resistance to people like expressing their dissatisfaction with Tesla through boycotts, with protesting. I think it's still revealing about like what the free speech advocates online actually always wanted and I've said it before and I'll say it again and that's that you know, you don't, you. They don't want people to have the freedom of dissociating with them if they don't like what they're doing. Like for them free speech means that as long as I'm not technically committing a crime against you. You shouldn't have to engage with me the way I want and not be able to distance yourself from, not be able to convince other people to distance themselves from me, not express any kind of dissatisfaction or negativity about what I'm doing publicly. You should just, you know, have to deal with me or go away quietly and you just don't have to like that's what free speech is. It's not like being forced to buy Tesla. It's not not being allowed to boycott Tesla. It's not not being allowed to talk trash about Tesla's terrible cybertruck. It's being allowed to all those things. Right. But they want it to be the opposite. And I think that's a very compelling message to people who make their money from their public Persona and don't want that to ever go away. But it's just not the way the world really works.
- [117:50]
Matt Leck
Yeah, I mean speaking of how the world really works, it doesn't actually work where Tesla is a purely American car company doing everything in America. In fact they sent an unsigned letter not from Musk but from the other Tesla folks saying hey, your tariffs are going to eff us up because we source a lot of stuff from good old China because that's who's making the EV batteries. So yeah, an American company. Look, I think like Ford, if I, if I, I don't have own a car, I live in Brooklyn but if I bought a car I'd probably buy an American UAW sort of backed car. I'm not buying a non union vehicle ever in my life. But here is, here's what has these guys really pissed off is a timing walls. And I would just say do not Tim walls buy into the people that are saying to cool it like you did last year when they said stop calling them weird, continue to say you like Tesla stock price to drop it. Who cares how much they complain about it? Because it's, it's really good.
- [118:55]
Matt Bender
Saying on my phone. I know some of you know this on the iPhone they've got that little stock app. I added Tesla to it to get.
- [119:01]
Brandon Sutton
Me a little boost during the day.
- [119:04]
Matt Bender
225 and dropping. So and, and if you own one, if you own one, we're not blaming you.
- [119:16]
Brandon Sutton
You can, you can take dental floss.
- [119:18]
Matt Bender
And pull the Tesla thing off, you know and take out.
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Matt Leck
Just telling you.
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Matt Bender
Yeah, I, I seen the right wings reaction reaction to him saying that. Of course if, if you know, if like Trump was to which I'm sure he does, all the time. Was to relish in the failure of a company that he didn't like or a company that dared to speak out with him. I mean, they'd be backing him up, of course. I mean, it's, it's hypocrisy all the way around. Tim, Tim Walsh should continue to do these because I think he's good at it. And, and yeah, I mean, it's ludicrous. Also, the idea that every American company is a little angel and we should be supporting all American companies is just bullshit.
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Matt Leck
Yeah, I'm sorry, you know what, Andrew Schultz, that's what the billions of dollars in subsidies for. Okay, how about we don't need to be nice to a company that we've frankly bankrolled who Barack Obama saved with a giant loan during the funding financial crisis. You're welcome. And you know what? We're gonna ridicule this guy. And I would just say God bless everybody showing up to protest these dealerships and making it a tough time. I've seen pranksters go in doing like making like Sig Hale jokes to the staff there. I would say you might be accused of terrorism, so it'd probably be safer to do that in places like Canada or something now. But that is just, I mean, great, great place because again, he bought Twitter by putting his ownership of his stocks like SpaceX and Tesla on the line to back it up if those go under, you know, like, like it's down. It's Even down to 232 is at 235 when Tim Wall said that. Let's keep it going.
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Matt Bender
Yeah. I just love the idea now that apparently. Oh, how can you say something about an American company? Oh, how can you. These, these, these guys, these guys, the rights, like, right. Love saying things about any company they don't like. They don't give a shit about American otherwise they're in. And you know, every time, every now and then, you know, the right, the, the clock, you know, the, the clock is correct for the right and they get the time right and they criticize a company like BlackRock. Oh, you can't do that anymore, guys. That they're. That's a good old American company leaving. Leave them alone.
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Matt Leck
I would just Google to see like what kind of conditions these workers look in Tesla in addition to like just contractors dying like air in Texas. And Greg Cassara, the representative down there is doing good work of, of keeping on Elon on that. But Tesla Fremont factory, this is California, faces class action lawsuit alleging severe racism against black workers. Look at the details of that before you, before you get to. Before you drop down to your knees and glorify this. This American company.
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Matt Bender
Right? Well, they don't. That's the thing, though. They don't. They. They literally view it as the, the people to admire from Tesla are. Is Elon Musk. They don't care about the executives. They don't. Right. Yeah, they don't. The executives are the. The people to admire. They aspire to be the executives. They don't look at like the guy in the factory working hard for his family to build the actual. To actually build the car. The guy who actually creates the product that you use apparently enjoy so much they don't give a shit about that person.
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Matt Leck
All right, folks, I think we did it.
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Matt Bender
Oh, we're already. Well, I guess let me read a few IMs and then that's the. That's the show, right?
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Brandon Sutton
Wow.
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Matt Bender
Time flies when you're having fun. Emma should miss more episodes. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm going to get some emails now. This is from Dark Soul. Trump literally insults media organizations that aren't directing mouthpieces for him or any that give him the slightest bit of pushback. Plenty of Americans work there.
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Matt Leck
Right.
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Matt Bender
They don't care about that, though. Of course. Of course not. Not. Andrew Schultz says. For Andrew Schultz, the only person who had to lose their job is Elon Musk. Sent with lasers. Says is. Is Sagar evil or stupid? You know, does it have to be evil?
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Matt Leck
It's a synergy.
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Matt Bender
Either or. Yeah, let's see what else Chef Solo says country was founded by illegal immigrants. Absolutely. Spocko says. I love the town hall videos, but if your rep isn't holding one or you can't go to one. Alex Lawson of Social Security Works has set up a way people can organize a rally at your local Social Security office. The URL is handsoff Social Security.org Then you can get the rallies in the local media, like the Tesla take Takedown rallies. That's a great idea and I think that would do awesome. You know, the Tesla ones are great because it's so easy. I think a lot more people honestly hate Musk then. I mean, the polls have even said that a lot more people hate Musk than even Trump now. But I think the, you know, getting the, the media to cover the protests at Social Security offices would be more beneficial policies. He was. Than the Tesla ones. Keep doing both, though. Don't. Don't back down off Tesla either. Let's just do a few More the Baileys say Jesus does he think the right will spare him he's gonna be in the mass grave with me Cigar is such a dumb yeah a lot oh cigars really like half these IMs were all came during that that that that segment God dsa Aaron and Atlanta says Brandon we are already in techno feudalism. Yes the other Russert says the Matt Jordy report yeah someone actually I dropped it in the the chat someone created this doesn't happen quite often but someone did drop a logo we can use when Emma is missing in future episodes it's pretty great. It's. It's in the I don't know if gonna pull that up I definitely think it's it's good enough to use for sure while you pull that up I'll read maybe a few more IMs and then that's it Sun Sun's out guns out says Bernie Sanders AOC and Tim Walsh should use this moment to reorganize civil society similar to Huey Long share the clubs I would call them work and production clubs and then Matt Jarvis Party report says I see Matt's plot to oust Emma on Thursdays is coming to fruition. Anyone who missed it by the way Emma is out sick. This was a last minute thing. She was supposed to be here today but she got ill. Sam will be back tomorrow. Hopefully Emma is feeling good enough to be back tomorrow but that's what happened today and I think that's. That's. That's it right? That's the show right?
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Matt Leck
Yeah I don't think I'm on the thread now where you sent that.
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Matt Bender
Oh no, it's in the ping chat.
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Matt Leck
Oh gotcha. Gotcha.
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Matt Bender
Yeah I'll read one or two more while you pull it up because I think it's worth I liked it. It's funny. Oh I lost it. It's gone. Oh no, here it is. Okay. Oh this one's for you Matleck J. Jefferson Davis Vance asks hey Matt, I know it's still early days but as a JFK head what's your initial impression of the new files released?
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Matt Leck
Yeah they released a bunch of unredacted stuff Jefferson Morley who is one of the journalists Noah call when the who we were going to talk to a little bit about today seemed impressed by it. I think there's a lot of stuff to go through I mean already just interesting. I mean it's sort of you're not going to see anything like that. Admits say a bunch of anti Castro Cubans and CIA folks decided to do One of the plans that they had for another world leader on jfk, you're not going to see that level of admission but you will see things like oh, we plan to destroy crops in Cuba. I mean to go back to, to this whole story about like we were talking about with Sagar where why are people getting the place? Why are there these Cubans here? Well, it's because we're trying to destroy their country because of their politics. And they slab. You leave the Schlesinger memo which gets into CIA involvement and how pissed JFK was about CIA and how over, over, I guess over their protocol or beyond their remit the CIA was in the 60s. Of course this is stuff that, you know, we knew. A month to the day after JFK was assassinated, Harry Truman released an op ed in the Washington Post saying hey, the CIA is kind of crazy, isn't it Yao? So like a lot of this stuff has been sort of known but it's very interesting and I would check out the Mary Farrell foundation for the sort of researchers, the grassroots research who are most adept at looking through JFK stuff.
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Matt Bender
All right folks, so check out Leftist Mafia Tonight on my YouTube channel, YouTube.com mattbinder it'll be, you know, me, David Dole, Mike from the Humus Report. It'll be good times. Lance from the Surfs, Rebecca Azor and check out Brandon's show the Discourse. And Brandon, you stream pretty regular Italy now, don't you?
- [128:54]
Brandon Sutton
I did, I do. I was streaming before I came on here. I literally stopped my stream like 15 minutes before we got on here. So I've been streaming all day. I'm much called professional streamer now.
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Matt Bender
Look at that, I got another hasan in the works here.
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Brandon Sutton
I'm putting all these chumps on notice. I'm the leftist Joe Rogan. I'm going to endanger my fans for no reason but clout. Anyway, yeah, so we'll be streaming tomorrow as well. I don't know what specifically we're going to be going over but I've been, I've been doing a lot of conspiracy videos on Friday. We've been having a good time with that. So we'll probably do some news and then do a conspiracy video tomorrow, 9am to 12ish p.m. eastern. So you know, definitely be there or be squared.
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Matt Bender
And Matt Lech, your shows give us the, the rundown.
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Matt Leck
Yeah, Left Reckoning. We'll have jeet here on I believe next week. Check it out. Patreon.com left reckoning. We had a bunch of interesting stuff recently. You Got into Chuck Schumer in the post game last weekend. Here's this thing, by the way, the logo, the Matt Javier report with Brent Sutton. I'll just one final note, because I saw somebody in the chat say Oswald is still the prime suspect. He may be. I am more or less agnostic about. About that sort of stuff. But what I can say objectively is Lee Harvey Oswald was an intelligence asset of the United States government. And that has only been more and more proven as documents get released. So look into it would be my advice. Check that out, folks. Yeah. You want to sign off, Pinder?
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Matt Bender
Yeah, sure. Everyone, do me a favor. Tomorrow, when Sam officially introduces the new producer, please act shocked. Like, really ramp it up. Like, really. Oh, wow. What that. What a name. Who could have guessed? All right, Sam's back tomorrow for Casual Friday. Matt Binder, Brandon Sutton, Matt Leck, and anonymous new producer signing off on the Matt Jordi Report. But I know somehow I'm gonna get there I wasn't looking when I just got caught between the truth and the light fall the fighting out won't make me feel any better yeah, I know the clock is ticking but the the.
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Matt Leck
Meds are going to kick in and.
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Matt Bender
My pilot light shining bright I get somewhere the choice was made for the option where you don't get paid for the road that bends before it finally.
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Matt Leck
Breaks you.
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Matt Bender
I get somehow lost drive between the 101 and the 5 do you know how far the teacher takes you? Yeah, I know the clock is ticking but the man's not gonna kick in and that pilot.