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It's casual Good Friday, and oh what a week it's been. Emma breaks down Senator Chris Van Hollen's meeting with his constituent Kilmar Abrego Garcia who was wrongfully deported to El Salvador, as well as the way the White House and Bukele are trying...
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Emma Bigland
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Sam Cedar
The Majority Report with Sam Cedar. Where every day casual Friday, that means Monday is casual Monday, Tuesday casual Tuesday, Wednesday casual hump day. Thursday casual thirst, that's what we call it. And Friday, Friday casual Shabbat. The Majority Report with Sam Cedar.
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Emma Bigland
It is Friday, April 18, 2025. My name is Emma Bigland in for Sam Cedar and this is the five time award winning Majority Report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, usa. On the program today, Representative Greg Cassar of Texas, chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus will be with us. And later in the show, Cody Johnston of some more news joins us to break down this week in news. Also on the program, Senator Chris Van Hollen was finally able to meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia in El Salvador. He is alive, thankfully. Great job, Van Hollen. The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, in opinion written by a Reagan appointee, issues a scathing rebuke of the administration's efforts to defy the Supreme Court. Speaking of those guys, SCOTUS says they will hear arguments of for Trump's attempt to ban birthright citizenship, which is a 14th amendment protection. The American citizen detained by ICE in Florida for being Latino, it seems basically has been released. Trump's approval rating rating is beginning to tank. He's at 45% now, well under the first quarter average for previous presidents since polling began, which is 60%. That's usually the honeymoon period. Trump is scaling back the White House's annual human rights reports, defying decades of precedent. Meanwhile, dozens more have been killed in Gaza as Israel's genocide continues unabated, including a photojournalist whose documentary had just been selected for the Cannes Film Festival the day before. The US Says it will abandon Russia, Ukraine peace talks if they don't make progress in the next few days. There's an E. Coli outbreak in 15 states right now. If you didn't hear about it, well, that's because the FDA is choosing not to publicize it. That same FDA is also planning to end its routine safety inspections for food.
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Matt Binder
Gotta have growth.
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Emma Bigland
Time to read the Jungle by Upton Sinclair again.
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Matt Binder
It's good for the economy to sell rotten meat.
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Emma Bigland
Why doesn't Australia want our meat when we don't inspect it? Trump is set to cut the Consumer Financial Protection bureau workforce by 90%. Just 200 employees would remain. And lastly, good news. The liberal Wisconsin Supreme Court rules that Democratic Gov. Tony Evers can lock in a school funding increase for 400 years. All this. Let's go. I mean, look at what's happening in Texas. We don't want any vouchers in Wisconsin. All this and more on today's Majority Report. Welcome to the show, everybody. It is casual Friday. Hello, Russ. Hello, Matt. Very excited for our conversation.
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Matt Binder
Happy birthday, Emma.
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Emma Bigland
Oh, thank you very much. Yes, it is my birthday. I am 31. Not a fun age. Not an interesting age, but Yes, I am 31 years old.
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Matt Binder
It's a fine age.
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Emma Bigland
It's. It is a fine age, but it's just nothing notable. Although you kind of run out of notable birthdays. Yeah, those are old by 21 or by 30. Maybe 30.
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Matt Binder
I think there's like one in the Sixt. That's nice or something.
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Emma Bigland
Yeah, yeah.
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Sam Cedar
33 is the age of Christ. That's coming up.
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Emma Bigland
Oh, okay. Well, then I will finally ascend to my final form.
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Matt Binder
Got two years to develop a messiah.
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Emma Bigland
I'm halfway there. Well, we finally have some good news. Let's start with this. Senator Chris Van Hollen was able to meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia yesterday in El Salvador. We were not sure if he was still alive based on how the administration had been conducting itself. These are the. This is the footage or these are the photos. Here you can see that they gave him his clothes back and put a hat on. He's wearing a hat. I don't know if that was the hat he came with, but we know that they shave their heads in sea cot. This notoriously torturous prison prison in El Salvador. These are the photos that Bukele posted, actually. So I just want. Can you find the original from Van Hollen? Because it's important to note that Bukele, the president of El Salvador, photoshopped these. It's interesting that they did this in. No, he photoshopped it. Look at the original photo. It's interesting that Bukele allowed for this to even happen and that there was pressure that created this, which was in part due to the fact that Van Hollen give him immense credit. This is what democracy looks like in action. This is a senator showing up for his constituent when the rest of the world looked like it had abandoned him. And say there's all these right wingers. Like he's not a constituent. Okay, well, his wife is. His wife is an American citizen. And Frank. And constituents don't include voters. Constituents also are just people that you are supposed to be the democratic representative of small D. That's what this country is supposed to be about. Even people that don't vote for you. If you're a senator in that state, you're supposed to be representing them. And Van Holland is putting Chuck Schumer to shame here by showing what it actually means to stand up for the American people. But in this photo, you'll see the water glasses are just water glasses. And then when you go back to Bukele's photo of this meeting, you'll see that he has put this photo, has salt on the rim of the glasses and maraschino cherries. Nazi to make it look like it's a cocktail. Let's go back to his caption. Kimmel, are Kilmar Abrego Garcia miraculously risen from the death camps and torture, now sipping margaritas with Senator Van Hollen in the tropical paradise of El Salvador obviously very conscious about the optics of Seekot, which is. Looks like a concentration camp and seems to function as one.
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Matt Binder
He was calling him a terrorist, what, like 48 hours ago, 72 hours ago. And now he's making jokes about, look at how great this person is treated, that we just, you know, it's like they're. It's like a hotel or something.
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Emma Bigland
And it's really important that this happened for fighting the Trump administration, because they're calling him a terrorist, but they let him out. This means that Bukele can release him. This means that their explanations for why he can't be sent back to the United States are completely bunk, which we already knew that. But you see by the fact that he is out of Seekot in these photos that Bukele has the capacity to do so. He's choosing not to do so under the direction of the Trump administration because he's functioning as their contractor. And you also heard Van Hollen repeat that when he spoke to the vice president in El Salvador, who said, no, the Trump administration is paying us to do this, and that's why we're not releasing him. Which means that they're flagrantly violating the Supreme Court's order. But this is how, like, they're on their heels. This is how you stand up to a bully. Van Hollen is showing what leadership really looks like in the face of fascism and authoritarianism. And then we also have the Fourth Circuit, the federal appeals court in Virginia, which rejected the Trump administration's attempts to stay the judge Paula Zenas order to facilitate the release of Abrego Garcia. This judge who wrote this opinion is named Harvey Wilkinson. Wilkinson is a Reagan appointee, a conservative Judge, and the 4th Circuit. This is a scathing, scathing opinion that goes after the Trump administration's actions here. I just wanted to read part of it because it's so well said. Let's pull this. Upon review of the government's motion, the court denies the motion for an emergency stay pending appeal, and for a writ of memorandum for writ of mandamus, I've actually never heard that before. This is why I didn't go to law school. The relief the government is requesting is both extraordinary and premature. While we fully respect the executive's robust assertion of its Article 2 powers, which, by the way, is the part of the Constitution that vests the president's authority in foreign affairs. And that's supposed to be shared with the legislature. But that's what that's referring to, basically, the administration's invocation of foreign policy to make these determinations and to violate him of his due process. We shall not micromanage the efforts of a fine district judges attempt, attempting to implement the Supreme Court's recent decision. It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter, but in this case it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims, in essence, that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done. This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from the courthouses from courthouses still hold dear. The government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of Ms. 13. Perhaps, but perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process. If the government is confident of its position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings to terminate the withholding of removal order. Moreover, the government has conceded that Abrego Garcia was wrongly or mistakenly deported. Why then should it not make what was wrong right? The Supreme Court's decision remains, as always, our guidepost. That decision rightly requires the lower federal courts to give due regard for the deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. That would allow sensitive diplomatic negotiations to be removed from public view. It would recognize as well that the facilitation of Abrego Garcia's return leaves the executive branch with options in the execution to which the courts, in accordance with the Supreme Court's decision, should extend a genuine deference. That decision struck a balance that does not permit lower courts to leave Article 2 by the wayside. So basically this is being generous with the government's claims. But here they reassert why the Trump administration is in violation. The Supreme Court's decision does not, however, allow the government to do essentially nothing. It requires the government to facilitate Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. Facilitate is an active verb. It requires that steps be taken. As the Supreme Court has made perfectly clear, the plain and active meaning of the word cannot be diluted by its constriction as the government would have it to a narrow term of art. We are not bound in this context by a definition crafted by an administrative agency and contained in a mere policy directive. And then this other part here is Important too. Facilitation does not permit the admittedly erroneous deportation of an individual to one's country's prisons that the withholding order forbids, and further to do so in disregard of a court order that the government not so subtly spurns. I think we're good at this point, but you can just see how definitive this was. And this is. We're not even down this road. But the government's actions here violate the 14th Amendment, which guarantees due process. That is, I mean, it's made clear, even though I think that if Abrego Garcia is to return to the United States, he would have to try to challenge this in court or sue on those grounds. But it's also an 8th amendment violation which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. He's been sent without due process to a torturous facility, which, let me remind people, they are packed in like sardines. They skin disease and disease spreads because they are constantly touching one another. It's so packed, they have no blankets, they have no pillows. The LED lights are blaring over them in their basically steel barracks. They can't speak to one another, they can't get a lawyer, they can't speak to a lawyer, they can't speak to their family, they can't look outside, they can't be outside. No sunlight.
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Matt Binder
Can't get health care.
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Emma Bigland
Can't get health care. Hundreds have died at this facility because of these conditions. That is the definition of cruel and unusual punishment under the eighth Amendment. The administration is so in violation of the Constitution that it's almost difficult to find which amendments they're not violating.
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Matt Binder
Human Rights Watch Human Rights Watch estimates based on official data that There is are 109,000 people held in prisons with an official capacity of 70,000.
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Emma Bigland
The Bukele and the Trump administration can no longer claim that they cannot release him because we just saw that they can. What are the arguments that they're going to make in court now? Because they have shown themselves to be complete liars. They are testing the bounds of the Constitution, there's no question. But they're also, I think, burning a lot of political will that they didn't need to, but they're just such fascists that they couldn't help it. There was an article in the American Prospect by Ryan Cooper which breaks this down. I'll just read a little of this about. It's called the anti immigration majorityism mirage. And there are a lot of folks that are more centrist in the Democratic Party that say that we should be abandoning the immigration fight because it's Trump's best polling number.
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Matt Binder
Gavin Newsom called it an 8020 issue. And I think it's really suspicious that he is echoing people like Charlie Kirk. One people mention 8020 issues. I think it's kind of a red flag to me, but.
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Emma Bigland
You mean Charlie Kirk, the guy he played patty cakes with on his show and said his son loves.
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Matt Binder
Exactly.
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Emma Bigland
Oh, that. That Gavin.
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Matt Binder
It's 8020 issue, bro.
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Emma Bigland
Who was married to the conservative Fox News commentator. The best is. Yes, lady. Yeah, Kimberly. Gulf oil. Okay. This is the popularism that is a disease in the Democratic Party. They act like they don't have control over polling and how things poll, and they can't change public opinion by using the bully pulpit. Well, here, this article shows that just Donald Trump's inhumanity and his actions have changed polling. Imagine if there was a united Democratic opposition that was pushing this narrative. The Gallup poll on whether Americans think immigration should be increased or decreased shows a curious pattern. From about 2001, at the height at a high of 65%, there was a steady decline in the fraction of respondents who favored less immigration, with a corresponding upward trend in the faction favoring more. The lines briefly crossed in mid-2020 with a plurality in favor of increased immigration. But starting in 2021, there was a sudden jump back toward restriction. This is around the time the Democrats started conceding this point, by the way. During the 2024 campaign, Donald Trump consistently received his highest approval ratings on immigration. The fraction of people saying that immigration is the most important issue in the country jumped from 9.2% in 2021 to 14.6% in 2024. And Trump's Xenopho phobic stance seemingly paid off even among Latinos, who would be the targets of his mass deportation agenda. He was the first Republican to win the Rio Grande Valley, which is chock full of mixed Status families since 1912. Post election reporting saw many anecdotes of unauthorized immigrants themselves saying they would have voted for Trump because surely he wouldn't deport hardworking people like themselves. But now that support is fading fast. Most recent polls show the priority of immigration plummeting and majority disapproval for Trump on the issue. In the most recent YouGov economist poll, he is now 11 points underwater, down 16 points since he was inaugurated. Among Latinos, he is now 46 points underwater on this issue. And that's all. I mean, that says it all. If just Donald Trump's inhumanity and his actions by themselves can change public opinion like this, imagine if we actually messaged on our side. Imagine.
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Matt Binder
And I would like to say like hopefully on a hopeful note, maybe we're at the end of a lie because this anti immigrant sentiment, it also corresponds to the post financial crisis, you downturn of people's economic outlook. This going after immigrants is not the solution to that. And I think more and more people are realizing that they've been sold something false and they've been misdirected away from the actual cause of people's lack of wage growth and lack of, you know, a better life that they thought they would have.
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Emma Bigland
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Greg Cassar
Yeah, thanks for having me on, Emma. Looking forward to talking with you and folks at home.
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Emma Bigland
Absolutely. Let's start here because it's the biggest story of the day. Senator Chris Van Hollen was able to speak with Kilmar Abrego Garcia and see him in person. There was proof of life. There were some concerns that he may not even be alive because this prison is very notorious for its abuses, and sometimes people die there. What was your reaction to this fairly successful mission by Senator Van Hollen going to find his constituent down in El Salvador?
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Greg Cassar
Well, first, I'm so grateful for Senator Van Hollen's leadership and also so grateful that Mr. Abrego Garcia is alive. And I think this really shows how the Trump administration does not have to always be on the front foot on everything. And how when Democratic leadership and people in elected office listen to our constituents and stand up and really fight back, that we can put the worst authoritarians on the planet like Bukele on the back foot, that we can put the Trump administration on the back foot, that we can save lives and that we can make some of these abuses and horrors a real national story. Because I feel like we're getting hit day in and day out by these constitutional abuses taking away people's basic rights. And folks at home want to know, is there anything I can do about this? I think speaking up and encouraging your leaders, folks like Senator Van Hollen, to stick up and fight, I think we can see how we could start to turn the tide. Because they didn't just let Senator Van Hollen meet with Kilmer Garcia because they wanted to. It's because I think they had a sense that they had to because the public was starting to get the sense that the president, United States is talking about sending just anybody to a prison camp outside of American law in El Salvador. And that is not popular in this country. And I think folks really speaking out really start to make a difference. So we. And we need to be getting back on the front foot, even on issues like immigration, where the Trump administration is going so far outside the law and being so abusive of people's baseline constitutional rights. This isn't about public safety. This, what the president is doing is about taking away the baseline rights of every single American, immigrants or not.
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Emma Bigland
I'm glad you say that about the popularity of, because on the surface, right, Donald Trump's best issue when it comes to polling is immigration. But I've been frustrated by some conversations, conversations I hear in liberal circles where there's this tendency, for some reason to respond to polling as if it is static and unchangeable, as if Democrats can't message in a way that changes the conversation around immigration. I grew up in the suburbs of New York City, going to Ellis island and being told by my teachers how immigration built this country and how important it is to have immigration, Is there beginning to be a consensus within the party that this is the kind of thing that they can positively message around how immigration makes us stronger?
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Greg Cassar
We can't always play defense. Otherwise the Republicans just fill the vacuum and fill the void with their own propaganda, and they continue to move the polling in their direction. Look, immigration issues did not poll great when Trump first was elected into office. But then when we started pointing out that he was putting kids in cages and deporting innocent families and taking our limited law enforcement resources away from gun traffickers and cartels and pointing it instead at innocent workers, then the numbers shifted. And as actually being a pro immigrant party that also cared about law and order and a good economy, and being pro immigrant that actually helped us take back the House during the first Trump administration. So I do think it's time for us to get off the back foot and start pointing out just how nuts it is that this guy wants to take away birthright citizenship that allows so many of us to be Americans when we were born and raised here, rather than citizens of some other country that we've never known. It's so nuts that he's talking about sending Americans to prisons in El Salvador where you can't contact a lawyer, where a US Senator has to come find out if you're even alive. And so look, as somebody that has been working in the labor rights world and as a labor organizer in the past and in immigrants rights, I think we do have lessons to learn from eight years ago that organizing and getting on the front foot and get on offense works. But we also need to remember that we need to connect our pro immigrant message to the vast majority of the American people. This is the last thing I'll mention on this point, Emma. Back when I was a labor organizer here in Texas, before I was an elected official, we'd organize on construction sites where you had lots of citizens and non citizens all on the site, and you wanted to organize folks into unions to push back to raise wages for everyone. And instead of just saying immigrant rights are human rights, which of course they are, but instead of just going with that message, we would talk about how these big moneyed interests wanted there to be two different classes of people, that if they could scare people and say a certain group of folks, immigrants, have less rights than citizens, then it was easier for them to work some folks overtime without ever having to pay them their overtime wages. They could push down wages for everyone. And so I think we need to get back to a place where we say these immigrant rights and the equal rights of everybody that actually defends your rights as a citizen, that defends your rights as a worker. And I think the democratic and progressive message needs to get on the front foot, but also remain inclusive in that kind of bigger tent way.
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Emma Bigland
Is that your experience as a labor organizer that some folks who maybe were here under were undocumented or weren't full citizens as workers, that the threat of deportation or immigration enforcement was often used by their employers to perhaps strong arm them into maybe more unsafe conditions or lower wages? Because that seems to be the under discussed element of immigration enforcement, is that if you're somebody who is, wants to unionize or maybe is experienced harassment in your workplace, you're going to be a lot less likely to speak up if you're fearful that ICE is going to come and take you away from your family.
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Greg Cassar
This happens all the time, every single day in every major city and town in this country. I cannot tell you how often we had folks come, come in from the restaurant industry, from the service industry, from the construction industry, not only who are being underpaid and could be threatened with deportation if they spoke up, but folks that would work two weeks or a month and then not be paid anything at all. We don't talk enough about how wage theft is one of the greatest forms of theft in this entire country. And what I think we need to do if we want to be a populist and economic party based party again as Democrats, but also a pro immigrant party, is that everybody's wages will go up if we make sure that people are all on the same playing field and that immigrant workers have the same rights to speak up as everybody else and don't have the threat of deportation hanging over them, that we're going to have more unions for everybody if immigrant workers can feel just as comfortable signing that union card as a US Citizen worker. So they really. This isn't just a human rights issue. This is an economic rights issue for every single American.
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Emma Bigland
And, and on the immigration agenda, I can the Democrats get behind the agenda that you're describing, an affirmative immigration agenda, not just the Congressional Progressive Caucus, not just running on some little trick that the Biden administration did with, you know, oh, we put this very right wing border bill up in the Senate and the Democrat or the Republicans killed it because Trump didn't want to hand us a win. This like procedural cute point was, I mean I think one of the worst strategic moves of the of the campaign in 2024, because you're just hitting the Republicans on their hypocrisy and you're not saying what you believe in.
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Greg Cassar
Look, voters want an orderly and safe and legal immigration system. And the challenge that we face, and this is where I'll be a little bit more empathetic to the Democrats dilemma here, is that people want a system that works, but the Republican Party has essentially become a daily arsonist of the immigration system. And so if you have a party and the Republicans that wants to make the, the immigration system as illegal as possible, as difficult as possible, essentially the cartels couldn't have a better friend than the Republican Party that want to keep immigration as difficult as possible so that they create a black market for immigration. As Democrats, we are seen as responsible for the immigration system that is that we have. And we need to not just blame the Republicans for a broken system, but actually have a proposal for what a good legal system would look like so folks aren't sitting in tents and shelters at the border, but instead can apply legally and come here in a safe, orderly and legal manner. And to your point, if we don't have that affirmative vision, then we're always going to be stuck into every campaign cycle as we get closer to election going Republican light. And at that point, if the arguments between Republican and Republican light, a lot of people are just going to pick the real thing.
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Emma Bigland
And to be more specific, that means not maybe instead of all this money going towards enforcement or policing on the border, does that include increase in funding for processing, expanding the pool of resources for immigration courts to allow for folks to be able to come in and then come back to their hearing and have this system make more sense as opposed to it being one based on fear?
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Greg Cassar
Oh, yeah. I mean, there's so much we have to do. First of all, we got to say, look, the folks that have been here for years and years and years paying taxes, doing their job, look, those folks, they're basically US Citizens. But for continued inaction in Congress, first of all, then second of all, we've got to have a way that people can apply to come here. Because so many people when we say, well, just wait in line and come here the right, right way, that system doesn't even exist. It just doesn't exist, period. So we've got to create that pathway for people who are fleeing desperation and violence and all these problems across the Western hemisphere to be able to apply and have a process for coming here legally. Otherwise you could just dump all of the money in the world on continuing to enforce a broken system. And then the last thing that not enough Democrats talk about, and I'm pretty unorthodox on this even within my own party, is we've got to address the ways that the United States owned foreign policy drives starvation and deprivation across the world and pushes people to come here that would rather be at home if they could. But for some of the United States own policies. Look, I'm not a fan of the Maduro regime in Venezuela in the least bit. But we have pursued a policy of starving innocent people in Venezuela, hoping that Maduro would hold elections when he's not going to hold a free and fair election. Then when a lot of folks from Venezuela show up, we need to ask ourselves, was this the right policy for us to contribute to the very starvation and problems that many of them are fleeing? Of course many of them are their own government's fault, but they aren't even voting for that government in most cases. But why would we go and then punish those people and then let the Republicans weaponize that issue against us? It's insane and we can't keep doing it.
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Emma Bigland
Yeah. Yep. I think that's a great point. And you bring up foreign policy, which is obviously a very important and salient topic for a lot of the Democratic base when it comes to what Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have called acts of genocide in Gaza. We had Representative Pramila Jayapal on the show in January. She is obviously your predecessor in the Congressional Progressive Caucus. I love that you guys have term limits and so that's like something just more Democratic about the small d. Democratic about the Congressional Progressive Caucus. That I appreciate. But this was her answer. And I'm wondering if you have an update on this from January to my question about whether or not the Democratic Party has reckoned with how young people may be disillusioned by what they're seeing out of the Gaza Strip. I really. Is the party reckoning with how the support for this slaughter has potentially damaged the party's brand long term for an entire generation of young people and also the voters you describe. My honest answer to you is I don't think that that conversation is happening. I really don't. I think it's been frustrating to me as somebody who shares, you know, and.
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Sam Cedar
Has been really vocal on.
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Emma Bigland
On Gaza and been targeted for it by, you know. Yeah, she. Her answer is longer. People can check out that full interview if they'd like. But we have you for a limited time. A Representative Kassar, is there an update to that has the Democratic Caucus begun, in your opinion, to reckon with some of the effects of how people view now this past administration as a party that supports such brutality when we'd drawn such a significant contrast, frankly, after the Bush administration waged the illegal war in Iraq? We're back to square one, it seems to me.
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Greg Cassar
Yeah, we can't let the Trump administration that is now openly advocating for the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza continue to then try to message and say that they're going to become the anti war party within the Republican Party. I mean, at that point, that would just be so devastating to us. We have to be and have the Democratic Party be the party that is for prosperity of our own people and against violence here and across the world. And that I think is, you know, has led to real consequences for so many innocent people in Gaza. But to your question, as far as the Democratic Party really reckoning with it, I agree with my prior chair, Pramila Jayapal, that that reckoning has not yet happened. But one place where I hope we can start to have that reckoning in that conversation is with some of these early elections and early primaries that we're going to have because some of the organizations that dump in infinite amounts of money for those candidates that want there to be peace and stability for innocent Palestinians and Israelis alike. Now we're talking about a situation where the president of the United States is advocating for complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza. And I hope that Democratic primary candidates at least can speak out against that. And we will be having some of those elections upcoming, even this year. So I urge folks that are watching this here at home to pay attention to some of those early elections and see if we can have the kind of reckoning within our Democratic Party that big money should not be determining who wins these primaries and that Democratic candidates can and should do better with the support of our base to be willing to speak out against what went from devastating, horrific choices by the Biden administration to total a total ethnic cleanse cleansing plan that we are now facing down with Netanyahu and Trump and cahoots.
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Emma Bigland
Is that a part of what DNC Vice Chair David Hogg is focusing on? I mean, what is your opinion on that effort to potentially primary some folks in Congress?
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Greg Cassar
I haven't really gotten a chance to know what the real details are of what it is he's working on. What I will tell you is that the Congressional Progressive Caucus does have its own pack. We are not an outside group. And so we're of course going to be different than outside organizations. We participate in open primaries of which there will be many, usually when there's retirements. And then also, for example, there have been the really tragic and early deaths of some of our own Progressive caucus members. And so in those open seats is where oftentimes you've actually seen the enormous spending and a progressive candidate, oftentimes in a progressive district have to face down a much more centrist or corporate other candidate. And where this debate on foreign policy really comes to a head. And so I think you will see that in several of the open seats because of retirement or because we're filling the vacant seat of a member who has passed. And so I think you'll be seeing that coming up here this year. We won't have to be waiting till next year, I think, for some of that.
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Emma Bigland
And last question on this topic. I just think it's important to really nail this down here. I'm still hearing essentially every Democrat talk about the two state solution as the goal right now. And I just want to be clear that it appears that Israel is attempting to take the entirety of the west bank and is ethnically cleansing the whole Gaza Strip, which in practice would create a one state reality. This message messaging isn't urgent enough to address what's happening there. Is there, can, can, can there be discussions within the Congressional Progressive Caucus or will there be about what a future Israel Palestine position looks like? Because we're using talking points from like 20 years ago to talk about the situation there.
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Greg Cassar
Yeah, I mean, it's such a look, I'll be honest, it's such a sensitive topic for, you know, amongst members of Congress. I have, of course, within the Congressional Progressive Caucus nearly 100 members who vote all different sorts of ways on this issue. And what we're trying to bring people together around is how do we stop the killing, how do we at least in the immediate term just stop the continued, just daily death and famine and withholding of aid and human rights abuses in both the west bank and in Gaza for the good of everyone there. And so I think you're right, talking about this the way we talked about this theoretically years ago no longer addresses the issue. I have a lot of trouble. I'm going to be honest here to folks watching on the show, a lot of trouble talking with that big of a group of people about what the vision is for five or ten years from now. But where I can get folks together is to say it is just devastating what has been going on and we've got to find a way to make it stop. That the level of death, the conditions for people there is just unacceptable and it should be unacceptable for anybody of conscience. And so right now I do think that sort of putting aside the talking points that were so 1990s and 2000s does make sense to me. I don't have the best idea for you on this show about where we had five or 10 years from now, but right now I'm just trying to say, hey, how do we organize to.
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Emma Bigland
Say stop the bombs, right? You gotta look at right in front of you as well as long term and have long term and short term strategy. I totally get that from a more positive direction on the long term strategy piece. This anti oligarchy tour that you were a part of with AOC and Bernie Sanders seems to be just absolutely picking up incredible steam. And you have this mascot of Elon Musk, but really just the multiple Republican billionaires that are in Donald Trump's administration that put characters to the the public of like what oligarchy looks like, what billionaire capture of our government looks like. Is that a vision that you see going forward for the Democrats as the messaging on kitchen table issues is about how tariffs are affecting the economy. And he's so turbulent and causing all of these issues. There's also this other piece of like, no, we've got to tax the rich. And it seems like the base is completely there.
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Greg Cassar
The base is there and the base is getting bigger on this issue. When I was on the Fighting Oligarchy tour and went and did the Tucson, Arizona stop with Bernie and aoc, they said, look, we've got the high school gym rented out. It fits about 2,000 people. That's pretty good for Tucson. We showed up and I thought we were already at the high school. We were five blocks away and that's how long the line was. 23,000 people didn't fit in the gym, took over the whole football field. And it was the biggest rally in Arizona history and it's only gotten bigger since then. And when I talk to people standing in the line, as we were getting ready for the event, there were lots of folks who said, I wasn't with Bernie seven or eight or nine years ago. But damn, I think maybe he was right this entire time because before when he was talking about billionaires running the government behind the curtain, now they're running the cabinet meetings, now they're the richest man on earth is bragging about running the government on Twitter every day. And so this is a moment within all of this despair and all the horrible stuff. Of course we have been talking about There also is an opening for us to transform the Democratic Party into the kind of party that can excite not just our base, but bring in disaffected voters and independents, folks that might be more socially conservative than you and I on some issues, but say at the end of the day, we need a party that says we shouldn't have the richest guys on earth buying politicians in order to skew their economy in their own favor and screw over everybody else. And that is the kind of message that held together FDR's coalition. That's the kind of message that held together JFK and LBJ's coalition. That's how you build the next New Deal. That's how we pass Social Security and Medicaid and Medicare was by being a party that could hold most of the country together by saying we're four working people. But just as you said, just saying we're four working people. Maybe nobody hears that kind of a standard message. We also have to have a villain and show folks who we're willing to fight against. And those villains are very clear right now.
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Emma Bigland
Well, I. That's positive and encouraging to hear. Representative Greg Cassar, chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, thanks so much for your time today. I really appreciate it.
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Greg Cassar
Thanks so much for having me on. And the last thing I'll mention related to those villains, folks may not know at home that Elon Musk's term and allowed time in the Trump administration technically ends on May 30. We don't believe that he'll necessarily follow the law and leave that. And so we have a real chance to fire Elon Musk if folks again raise their voices on that issue over the coming month.
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Emma Bigland
Appreciate it. Thanks so much.
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Greg Cassar
Thank you, guys.
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Emma Bigland
Bye bye. All right, folks, quick break and when we come back, we're going to be speaking to Cody Johnson of Some More News. Having some fun with some More News. Be right back.
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Sam Cedar
It's.
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Emma Bigland
We are back and we are joined now by Cody Johnson of the wonderful YouTube channel some more news. Cody, thanks so much for coming on the show today.
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Sam Cedar
Thank you so much for having me. Obviously a huge fan. Happy birthday also.
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Emma Bigland
Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, it's your channel. Everybody has been like messaging us saying you have to come on. We played a little bit of one of your videos the other day. Can I ask, like, how long does it take for you to put together 40 minute long, like very well produced, progressive YouTube. Like I love the video essay format, but you churn out like a video essay format in way so quickly. It's Incredible.
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Sam Cedar
Thank you. Yeah, it's, you know, it, it's rougher some weeks than others. We do try to plan ahead.
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Emma Bigland
Yeah.
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Sam Cedar
Because you know it's like you're saying 40 minutes an hour. It's pretty heavily researched. And so we have like a whole, we have a whole process from start to finish. Oftentimes we'll come up with stuff that we kind of know like it'll be relevant for a long time. And knowing that. Okay, well we filmed this even though it was written a month ago. We can sort of plug in current events and keep it going. But you know, a Ben Shapiro episode or whatever, that's months of just sort of like packing in as much as you possibly can. And it's also the year or so before where all these clips are coming out and he's saying whatever.
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Emma Bigland
Right.
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Sam Cedar
It really does depend. Sometimes it's just like, oh, something happened this week, we need to just do something on that topic and our head writer will just be like no emails this week. I'm just doing this.
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Emma Bigland
It's, it's really well done and you're funny in it. But also providing everybody with all of like the information that they need on that topic. You mentioned Ben Shapiro. You've done some deep dives over there into that crew. What the hell is going on at the Daily Wire?
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Sam Cedar
Nothing good does it seem? It seems like they're falling apart. I mean all their people are being fired or leaving. I know Jeremy Boreing is gone because they're all losing money. Because if you pump a bunch of money in from a billionaire for ideological purposes, maybe the output needs to be bringing in enough to sustain yourself. I assume it's because they wanted to be. Amazon prime was the problem. Right. They're doing a streaming service and they have, they're doing like a, some like King Arthur epic show and they're trying to do like the non woke Snow White and if you pump money into that and the product isn't very good then you're not going to be making money from it.
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Emma Bigland
Yeah.
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Sam Cedar
So it seems like they just wasted a lot of money on vanity projects and trying to be like the anti woke Hollywood, whatever conservative Hollywood they wanted to be and you can't do everything.
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Emma Bigland
It also seems like that media that, that old way of like there was this, the Internet and YouTube became a thing then creators started blowing up and there were companies that were like how can we monetize this? How can we create little mini companies that are about content creation and the Daily Wire is one of them. But they had so much money backing it. But, like, I'm, I'm even seeing this in sports media too, where it's just folks are more drawn towards just going to creators that they appreciate. And these independent creators with subscription models, whether it's substack or Ghost or other ways that, that people are accessing that content, it feels like that is just more of the trend these days. And the Daily Wire guys are like, they're getting smacked by Candace Owens and even some of their. These other streamers or Brett Cooper.
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Sam Cedar
Right. Everyone that they had for a while and then pissed off for whatever reason and then couldn't make it work. Yeah, you're building up these personalities and that's, you know, for better or worse, that's what people gravitate towards. And I'm sure people are like, well, Candace is saying this right thing and I'm going to go to her. Daily Wire. Lost me. Because they're not keeping up with whatever. Anti Semitism is really big now or whatever.
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Emma Bigland
Yeah.
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Sam Cedar
So, yeah, so I think they, you know, they just aren't. They, like pumped all this money into a plan that wasn't going to work long term, it seemed, but they have the backing because their ideological project is the point. Right. They're not there. They're not really there to like, get return on investment in like the normal way. It's just sort of like if you put out propaganda for us that helps us in our ideological project as opposed to just doing good work or whatever.
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Emma Bigland
Yeah, I think that's right. And it'll be fun to watch how that, how that unfolds. Back to the real news and the politics of the day. So I want to play this old clip of Chuck Schumer from a month ago, a little under a month ago. This is around the time that he completely caved on the continuing resolution and decided to give up all of the Democrats leverage because, you know, work is hard.
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Sam Cedar
Nobody wants to work these days.
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Emma Bigland
It'd be really bad if the government stopped working in a government shutdown. Oh, wait, the government already has stopped working because Elon Musk and the Doge Gripers are slowly shutting everything down and making it nonfunctional and stealing all the data from our treasury. It's insane. And you also have to show, as we're seeing with Chris Van Hollen, you have to show strength. That's the only thing that these fascists know how to respond to. That's the only way that you can fight them politically. Schumer, but he's gonna fight.
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Sam Cedar
This is what he said he just needs time.
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Emma Bigland
He needs time. Okay, so this was. Maybe it's been like three and a half weeks since he said this. Maybe he's gotten there.
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Sam Cedar
Look, this is an extraordinary moment. It does require extraordinary action. If he defies the Supreme Court, then we are in uncharted territory that we.
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Emma Bigland
Haven'T been in for a very long time.
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Sam Cedar
And our entire democracy, this whole beautiful enterprise of democracy that we've had for over 240 years is at risk. And look, I believe that if Donald Trump should defy the courts, public, the public will rise up. We will. Democrats will fight it in every single way. And I believe, you know, autocrats only succeed, Kristen, if the public lets them.
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Emma Bigland
Keep going, Keep going.
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Matt Binder
What about the Senate?
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Sam Cedar
Okay, yeah, see, Kristen, if the public lets them. But if the public is so, so angry and takes action, and certainly we Democrats will, it will trigger a mass movement from one end of the country to the other. Something that we haven't seen in a very long time. Hell, yeah, I'm fired up. Public. Yeah, we're coming for you, whoever.
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Emma Bigland
Oh, yeah. I just love the outsourcing of it. The public will rise. Dude, Van Hollen just pants you just by show. Like, you know how you get the public to show up? By showing fight yourself. And I think that's under the dictionary definition of leadership.
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Sam Cedar
It's so embarrassing empathetic to just like, let that happen and not address. Because, like, I mean, even to your conversation a little earlier, you can't just be like, well, it's not popular, so we shouldn't do it, or it's that it's not polling well, or you can't just put your finger to the wind and see what you should do. If you don't have moral clarity and you're not trying to actually, like, get a message out with some sort of communication to, like, bolster public opinion or, or push back on it. Or be like, you're saying it's leadership. It's communication is such a huge part of it. And if you're not pointing out why this is wrong or this is wrong or this is illegal. I know it's at this point, it's like, but, sir, that's illegal. It's a little like, yeah, everything they're doing is illegal now, so what's the point in saying it? But if you're not communicating that, then the people, they might do it without you. But you need to do your job, I guess, is the point. It's very. It's just very frustrating to see people in that actual leadership sort of defer to, like, well, once the people get mad enough, once the polling says we should do something, we will absolutely do something. We promise.
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Emma Bigland
But that's what democracy is supposed to be, which is supposed to be. You're doing that for us, not us doing it for you. Matt, you wanted to say something, but.
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Matt Binder
I just want to insert a quote from David Brooks recently.
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Emma Bigland
Oh, God.
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Sam Cedar
Oh, my God. I know.
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Matt Binder
He says it's time for a comprehensive national civic uprising. It's time for Americans and universities, law, business, nonprofits, and the scientific community. Now, I'll just say David Brooks used to be a Marxist. If he was still a Marxist, he might. Might spare an inclusion of workers in that uprising. But anyway, Americans and universities. Yeah, this is kind of a professional class uprising. Americans and universities, law, business, nonprofits, the scientific community, and civil servants. And beyond.
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Sam Cedar
And beyond.
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Matt Binder
Okay. To form one coordinated mass movement. Trump is about power. The only way he's going to be stopped is if he's confronted by some movement that possesses rival power.
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Emma Bigland
Well, there you go.
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Sam Cedar
I mean, David Brooks didn't think I'd ever say that, but good job to him.
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Emma Bigland
I mean, this is. This is radicalizing this administration, is causing people to. I saw. To rethink some of their preconceived received notions. I saw Bill Kristol say, when are we going to apologize to the Abolish ICE people? The other day? Isn't that incredible?
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Sam Cedar
I see that every day. You know, it's sometimes couched in irony or whatever, but this sentiment of, like, yeah, the resistance libs were right the whole time. This is what it is. They call. They, like, they. A lot of people knew what was happening. It was accurate, the call was correct, the prediction was correct. And now they have this opportunity. The Trump administration just do it all. And I think people are like, oh, oh, my gosh. I didn't know they were going to do all of that. And it is. It's one of those things that's like. It's very disheartening in a sense, because the writing's been on the wall for years and years and years.
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Emma Bigland
Yeah.
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Sam Cedar
And it's really upsetting that things have to get bad for people to realize what's going on. But it does seem like that is what is happening. Right. Even on immigration issues, even, like, all. All this stuff.
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Emma Bigland
But abolish ICE was just. When AOC Alexandria Ocasio Cortez was elected in 2018. This was the blaring, most radical opinion that she had. Right. Can we put the gristle thing up just because it's amusing to me, you know, just to verify that I wasn't hallucinating Bill Kristol, who is now at the Bulwark. So I think he's. His politics have changed, but absolutely never Trump outfit. Right, Right. But, like, these are the people, the same folks that were saying, no, it's the progressive left saying things like abolish ICE are the problem within the party. He says, where does the Apolish ICE movement go to get its apology? And this is important because ice has been naturalized by the right. Ice was an outgrowth of 911 and the war on terror, as was the Department of Homeland Security. We can look back 25 years in the past to analyze how we've created a national security surveillance state in reaction to 9, 11 and during the war on terror that is now being used to terrorize the people, our own citizens, our neighbors, other people in this country. And you have even some of the resistance liberals coming around to that point.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah, it's. It's quite something to see because this is all like saying 2018. That was the most radical thing AOC was saying. And it's something that, like, never Trumpers are so interesting because, like, you see this sort of very, very slow progression. You're sort of dragging them forward. These are all conversations that were being had in 2018. All the stuff that we're talking about today. 2017, 2018, 2019, the entire first term. And it's like slowly realizing why they're never Trump in the first term is very much like, oh, he's. He's boorish. He's like, oh, we don't like his personality. He's so, like, unpleasant like him. Right, right. But now after, like, one term of him, you get some Biden, and then this is like, oh, I get why we. I understand. Like, his personality is actually linked to policy, and it's linked to this political movement. And like, you're saying this, this. This path is very clear from. You know, you can also point to, like, so many things about Reagan and then obviously the Bush era, and here we are. And it's just funny to see sort of like, over the span of 10 years, all these guys go like, oh, right, I was wrong all along. This is. This sucks. This sucks now. So good for them, I guess. Better late than never. They're faster than Chuck Schumer, apparently.
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Emma Bigland
Do you think that helps? Because Biden got so unpopular? Like, I think that even though we obviously had major problems with Hillary Clinton, and it was tough for me to Vote for her in the general election after that very brutal primary with Bernie Sanders. And you know, I did it because Trump was a threat, but we were kind of more in the minority unfortunately within the Democratic Party, she was still a very popular figure. I think Biden was so like people were so outraged by the, the COVID up about his mental acuity really. I think Democratic voters, they were angry that he put us all in this position again. And of course with his support for the genocide in Gaza, polling hadn't been catching up yet. But the base was angry about that too. Although they now flip and they're more angry when Trump's in office, which is partisan thing, but it happens.
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Sam Cedar
Predictable.
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Emma Bigland
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wonder if that made it easier for people to all kind of realize like maybe we shouldn't just be default trusting somebody who's ever been in the same room as Obama or something like that.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah, yeah. It seems like, I mean the Biden's ability is still, I think unfolding and people's mistrust there and just sort of. Yeah, you put all your eggs in this basket. And I don't know, I think that the, it's just that we're, we have all this, this quick backlash to a backlash to a backlash, to a backlash so much now we're ping ponging all the time. It's so fast every week, every month, every year and people just forget so quickly about anything. I think also being, being able to be like, oh look, Biden's so old and he's this. And you're pretending that he's the smartest, like sharpest guy in the room or whatever. I believe you. And so you're doing this and then so you have this like, but we need some sort of guy who can finish a sentence. But in doing that you forget, you forget about Trump. You forgot all about him. You see this even in like the, like Gen Z polling, some boomer polling about Trump's approval where it's like, oh right, oh, he's terrible and obnoxious and we don't want him around. But during the campaign you don't really think about that. You think about what's in front of you, which is old as hell, Biden stumbling through life kind of. And so they swing over there and now the reality sets in. I just wish people had stronger memory object permanence.
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Emma Bigland
Like let's play this because we're kind of on the topic here. There, there's been, I guess it was announced this week that David Hogg, who is the new vice chair One of the vice chairs of the Democratic Party is launching an effort to primary Democrats who are incumbents, who Hogg basically calls either, you know, asleep at the wheel, I think was the phrase that he used. And the group is called leaders we deserve. They're apparently going to be spending around $20 million in deep blue districts. So this is a bit of the Justice Democrats model, except with somebody who is associated with and a part of the dnc. So I want to wait, I'm encouraged by this announcement. I want to wait to see what the criteria is for an incumbent primary challenger before I laud.
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Sam Cedar
Right.
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Emma Bigland
However. However, the fact that they understand that this is necessary is interesting and important, but not everybody does. Here's old James Carville. And I'm glad we're playing this today because if Sam was back to hear this, he might actually have an aneurysm. This is Carville's reaction. This. He has one mode. It's only protecting the worst incumbent, most geriatric Democrats ever. Although I guess he was on board the Biden dropout train. Maybe the one time broken clock situation. But this is his reaction to Hogg's initiative.
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Greg Cassar
Well, maybe.
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Emma Bigland
And I said maybe they need to split off from the Democratic Party and call themselves a socialist, I don't know, urbanist central city.
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Sam Cedar
But you know why they're doing it. They looked at MAGA and they did what we see all the time. When you don't have better minds and better ideas. This is why you were so transcendent in politics is. And I always find. Oh, Jim Carrey.
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Emma Bigland
Okay, Carville, when was that? That was before I was even born. 1992. That's what they're referring to.
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Sam Cedar
I mean there's. They're playing their audience, I guess, right? Like.
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Emma Bigland
Yeah, like. Yeah, we remember. We remember. But I don't. I actually had to watch a documentary to remember it because I was born in 1994. Can we update like our, our Democratic political savants, please?
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Sam Cedar
No, he's transcendent. That's why he gets to just sit on the couch in a T shirt like doing James.
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Emma Bigland
It's why you never see him out of his house or you know, a part of any real campaign. Transcendent pundit on what's his new News Nation.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah, I was going to say. I was going to say, James, you're on tv, but I don't even know if that's true.
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Emma Bigland
Right. What is News Nation?
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Sam Cedar
Yeah, shout out to Chris Cuomo, by the way, on News Nation. I used to work with him. He's the only person who likes to take their shirt off on the Internet more than Jair Bolsonaro. Not for medical reasons in his case.
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Emma Bigland
No, no, I want to keep hearing.
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Sam Cedar
And send it in. Politics is that. And I always find it so cheap when people say, oh, Jim Carville. Oh, yeah, it's the economy, stupid. No, no, no. That wasn't your genius. Your genius was. I'm not going to be. What beats me, what you see with Bernie and AOC right now is maga. MAGA Playbook. MAGA Playbook make the masses angry.
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Matt Binder
Dave Hogg.
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Sam Cedar
That's MAGA Playbook. Go after your own and have a purity test. But what beats you, you become that. You're not going to beat it.
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Emma Bigland
Well, I don't think that most of Democrats are that.
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Greg Cassar
And maybe we need to have a schism. Maybe we can form a government coalition.
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Emma Bigland
You know, this happens every, every time in parliamentary. Things where you come in, you say.
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Greg Cassar
Okay, you want to be part of.
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Emma Bigland
Our coalition, but when they spend all the time running against us.
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Greg Cassar
By the way, why don't somebody sue David Hogg?
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Emma Bigland
He's an officer of the Democratic National Committee.
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Greg Cassar
He is the vice chairman of Democratic National Committee and he's running against other Democrats.
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Emma Bigland
I would like to know, and you.
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Greg Cassar
Went to law school, does he have a fiduciary duty toward Democrats? If I work. If you work for News Nation, you can't promote cnf.
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Emma Bigland
That's because you work for somebody else.
- [70:37]
Greg Cassar
You have a fiduciary duty to your employer, which anybody can understand.
- [70:42]
Matt Binder
You know, I think it's good to maybe stop at the fiduciary duty thing because I have a point I want to raise about our sort of alligator friend there. This is from a website called Privacy International. It says Palantir's predictive policing program in New Orleans. This is from February 2018. Under a secret deal beginning in 2012, the data mining company Palantir provides software to a New Orleans Police Department program that used a variety of data, such as ties to gang members, criminal histories and social media to predict the likelihood that individuals would commit acts of violence or become victims. This partnership was extended three times through February 21, 2018. Even city council members had no idea the arrangement existed, though Palantir has used its New Orleans work as a reference for multimillion dollar contract with another agency. Here we go. Political commentator James Carville, a paid advisor to Palantir, says he is the driver of this project, which Palantir describes as philanthropy. Critics believe the program was kept secret because American Southerners value their privacy and it would have inspired widespread outrage. So I love him talking about fiduciary responsibility.
- [71:51]
Emma Bigland
I also love the idea that his immediate reflexive reaction to is let's sue this guy. Like this guy's saying we need to challenge these old corrupt Democrats who are paid off and not actually representing our interests. You know what makes sense? We should sue him for all he's worth because we, they know this 20 something year old kid doesn't have their resources.
- [72:16]
Sam Cedar
It's good for.
- [72:17]
Emma Bigland
Good for David Hogg.
- [72:18]
Sam Cedar
Yeah, yeah, good for David Hogg. It's so bizarre. Like, also isn't like just suing people you're like mad at or disagree with. Isn't that MAGA stuff? Like, yes, just doing exactly what you're talking about. What absurdity. Good for David Hogg. Also like Cuomo. That's really frustrating. I know he does this a lot, but like, it's just maga. It's just MAGA stuff. Being angry isn't MAGA stuff. Like being upset about like a policy or the conditions of something. That's not like what MAGA is about. It's so childish to be like, well, the quality of MAGA is that they're mad. And if you're mad about something, that.
- [72:57]
Emma Bigland
Means that's what you're primary or primary Democrat or like doing. Or primary incumbents, they, they look at what Donald Trump and the like his wing of the party has done as a major problem for the Republican, for the establishment Republicans. But the base loves it and the same thing would happen for, for our side. So it's not MAGA stuff. It's just like being responsive to what your voters want.
- [73:23]
Matt Binder
If you think about it, the Rainbow coalition was proto maga.
- [73:26]
Sam Cedar
Yeah, it's just like, what do you, like, what do you, how do you view politics? What do you want people to do? Like, it's just, you're kind of comparing AOC to Marjorie Taylor Greene in a like this way. That is so just. It's not even surface level, it's above surface level. It's like this atmospheric sort of vibe. Like, well, they went up against their party a little bit, therefore they're the same. But obviously people want stronger representation for what's going on now. The Republicans won. They control all three branches of government, the Democrats for all their other like occasional wins. They're losers. And you need to win in order to exercise power. And so you want people who can win and then do things like go to El Salvador. Like that's, that's an action that many people in the party who have been in the party for many, many, many, many years would not do. And we're looking for people who have that in. Have that dog in them for this current era, which clearly leadership is not capable of contending with.
- [74:33]
Emma Bigland
Right.
- [74:33]
Sam Cedar
Can I just inject something here? As someone who worked at CNN when Chris Cuomo was fired, the other big irony is, like, you could see his face sort of like, perk up when Carville's like, well, you're a lawyer. You can't come on News Nation where he now works and promote cnn. Famously, Chris Cuomo was fired for helping his brother secretly during his brother's political crisis and then lying about it repeatedly on cnn, which is why he got fired. Right. And so it's just like, that's an extra layer of irony.
- [75:08]
Emma Bigland
Thank you, Russ. Great point. And his brother is running as the exact candidate that those guys really want, which is basically a Republican light corporate stooge representing a pack, representing all of those moneyed interests. And you know what? When they say, we got to break off, I would love if those guys broke off. Please go. Actually, go become a Republican. I would love you to become a Republican. Become a Republican, please.
- [75:37]
Matt Binder
Or like the business. The business liberals. And take away that. To take away. I mean, that's what kind of happened in the UK with like the Lib Dem split from labor. But yeah, yeah, get out of there. But also draw more from the right and the campus to bring up that party.
- [75:50]
Emma Bigland
Yeah, they should bring their message to the suburban Republicans. And I really think that they would be better served in that coalition. Like, the, the amount that we don't need James Carville in to win elections cannot be overstated.
- [76:06]
Sam Cedar
It's why, like, why is he on that show? Like, what are we. What are we doing? Why are we having these. Nobody, like you said, like, nobody knows who this person is either, aside from that perfect 30 second clip, just drenched in irony and conflicts and just like, wait, what? Wait a second. Yeah, nobody knows who this guy is. And again, James, you're on tv. Put on a shirt. Like, what are you doing?
- [76:29]
Emma Bigland
Yeah, I don't. I don't know what I mean. He. It's like he has. He did the John Fetterman before Fetterman, the dressing down to make you look like the Everyman to distract the fact that you're working with Palantir.
- [76:41]
Matt Binder
I just think it's like, maybe when you say, when you do a media tour, talking about how we should play dead as Doge is happening, maybe you should Disclose that you are a Palantir asset. I don't know.
- [76:52]
Emma Bigland
Perhaps.
- [76:52]
Sam Cedar
Maybe. Maybe not, though. Maybe, like, I don't wanna. I don't wanna do what you want. Get away with it. Everybody does that.
- [77:00]
Emma Bigland
He's gonna sue you for even suggesting it.
- [77:04]
Sam Cedar
Exactly. The funniest part is we didn't play like the 30 seconds before this clip started. What they're talking about is how important it is to get money out of politics. That's like, that's the lead in. The lead into this exchange.
- [77:17]
Emma Bigland
Yeah. Rough.
- [77:19]
Sam Cedar
Every day. It's from all sides. It's so delightful to see just so many people, just like. It's not even. I guess that's not really lying. It's very misleading. And again, all these sort of contradictions, but you just say whatever. Doesn't matter anymore.
- [77:35]
Emma Bigland
Nope. Before we let you go, wanted to have just one fun clip talking about this with you. People may remember, I think there's like a legendary old clip of Michael Brooks losing it, laughing when he found out Bolsonaro got Covid. Right? Correct. Yes.
- [77:54]
Greg Cassar
Yeah.
- [77:54]
Emma Bigland
Yes. So we're keeping the spirit alive because this man, he can't. It's like the Notebook. He can't quit the hospital. He's got to keep going back. And so does he have. So it's not Munchausen's by proxy is when you hurt your child to get attention.
- [78:14]
Matt Binder
Well, by proxy is the. It's of the child. Right. So just Munchausen. I'm not a doctor. I'll just say this, but my understanding is if it was just Munchausen, it's.
- [78:23]
Emma Bigland
Of yourself Right here. Munchausen syndrome, also known as a fictitious disorder imposed on self, is a mental disorder where individuals fabricate or induce symptoms of illness or injury in themselves for attention or sympathy. That's totally unrelated to the clip we're about to show you of JR Bolsonaro in the hospital. Again, he's such a hero. There he is. Wow.
- [79:35]
Sam Cedar
Who. Who. Sorry, who shared that and who put the music on it? Jair Bolsonaro.
- [79:41]
Emma Bigland
It's a hype up tape, which is.
- [79:44]
Sam Cedar
Why I'm not a nationalist. I think, you know, being nationalistic is silly, but I do think Brazil is the greatest country in the world. Can you imagine if instead of what we have now, Donald Trump was walking around with his shirt off and like, if these were images. Oh, my God. I know. That's how joyful it is right now to be a Brazilian. Only I did everything right and they indicted me. It's so good. It's like I want to. I wish it was. What. What's that talk show where the guests do dance down the hallway now?
- [80:18]
Emma Bigland
The Jennifer Hudson show.
- [80:20]
Sam Cedar
Like, that's all I could think about during that clip. Yeah, Little interview.
- [80:26]
Emma Bigland
I mean, honestly, it's like when you watch the NBA playoffs and like LeBron or, you know, whatever, Steph Curry is coming last out of the tunnel and it's like, oh, my God, here he comes. You may not like it, but this is what peak male performance looks like.
- [80:44]
Matt Binder
That's the one weird thing about fascism in 2025, as opposed to like 100 years ago where they were trying to make it was like the Uber mentioned to be like a poster of a guy looking like Superman or something like that. Now it's like J.D. vance whining that people are mean to him on Twitter and Bolsonaro being sickly.
- [81:00]
Emma Bigland
Right?
- [81:01]
Sam Cedar
Yeah, it's. Sorry.
- [81:03]
Emma Bigland
No, it's even the tech bros, like, being little twerps and Elon Musk, like, just being the most awkward guy imaginable who without his wealth would not even.
- [81:14]
Sam Cedar
Yeah, they can't stop whining. It's so. It's very funny. But it is also like, but you're in power right now. Like, just shut up and do the evil shit you want to do. Like, like, it's all. It's only whining. They're all like, you're the richest man in the world. You complain about a tweet. Like, just get it together. Be. It's, it's, it is a very funny, pathetic version of fascism, which they all are, you know, but it's just harder.
- [81:41]
Matt Binder
To hide in this media environment.
- [81:42]
Sam Cedar
Maybe exactly that. Like, yeah, like, JD spends. I don't know what his job is, but it seems to be just tweeting at random accounts and like getting into, quote, tweet arguments with people and obviously lying amidst it, but being like, I'm so tired of this emotional manipulation and so I'm gonna do it back to you or whatever.
- [82:00]
Emma Bigland
It's like, like it's the only way Trump lets him out of his cage because, like, he basically completely discarded him after the election. He. He was the bag man that brought the skeptical Peter Thiel on board. And no longer. He has. No longer.
- [82:14]
Sam Cedar
Yeah, and then the what? Then the Internet made fun of his appearance and so he had to do a week long tour where he like, shot a bunch of guns and called them freedom seeds to make himself feel better.
- [82:24]
Emma Bigland
Freedom.
- [82:25]
Sam Cedar
Did it work? Did you see that?
- [82:28]
Emma Bigland
No.
- [82:29]
Sam Cedar
It's either. It's either a white House official tweet or a JD Vance official tweet. And it's him in like fatigues or whatever. He's shooting a gun and it's like we're spreading freedom seeds. Is the.
- [82:40]
Emma Bigland
So the bullets are freedom seeds. Here we go. Yeah, just see even this Internet whiny little like just the Vice President of the United States sending from sea freedom seeds downrange doesn't get more American than that.
- [82:56]
Sam Cedar
It's so weird and gross. It's like this. And Vance does it the most. The White House obviously does it when they're with their honestly effed up deportation tweets with like the AI stuff and all that. But it's just this weird like we like millennial way of like posting irony pilled online.
- [83:17]
Emma Bigland
Nothing. Matt, this is why the Democrats best weapon is sincerity and humanism. Like this is. This has a shelf life. People don't want these whiny bitches all the time anymore. Like come on here.
- [83:29]
Sam Cedar
Because they don't mean it. They don't believe any like half the stuff they say. It's right. Just like they need to post something and they know the tone needs to be how it is.
- [83:38]
Emma Bigland
Indignant. It's grading.
- [83:40]
Sam Cedar
Yeah.
- [83:41]
Emma Bigland
Yeah.
- [83:41]
Matt Binder
Even like really the Freedom Seeds thing I don't think even appeals to most gun or like I think it splits gun people. I think there's like certain type of like guy who buys a gun and like fantasizes about some sort of like zombie scenario or maybe a race war scenario that likes the thing that Freedom Seeds. I think a lot of people like what the. What are you talking about?
- [83:59]
Emma Bigland
Right?
- [84:00]
Sam Cedar
It's the weird thing, honestly. Like, it's that it's like every day they're, it's. They post something or say something and it's like, yeah, Walls was right. They're weird. It's very off putting and we, I think we're seeing so much of it. Like obviously the actions of the administration are very appalling. But I think also the personality and the vibes are so weird and off that. That's also off putting for a lot of people who they think they're playing too. But ultimately it's like, what. What is this? You're just like so whining. Whining a cat turd online. Like what do we.
- [84:33]
Emma Bigland
Yeah, you're so. It makes them look small. But also what is the Freedom Seeds thing supposed to mean in the context of an administration that is saying I war.
- [84:44]
Sam Cedar
Exactly.
- [84:45]
Emma Bigland
So like the bullets are. You're so. You're. You're Just doing the Bush ne con thing and spreading freedom around the world through violence. And speaking of Bush, that's what must have been like. I'm almost longing for the days of his level of like, going away retirement kind of thing where like, maybe there was some manly. There's more manliness in him painting those. Those paintings of dogs than there is and whatever the hell Bolsonaro is doing.
- [85:10]
Sam Cedar
Yeah, like. Like shyly confronting his demons, I guess, in the back by himself. Like, okay, go do that. Yeah, it's also. Also like. I mean, the, you know, the van. The freedom seed thing, I'm pretty sure was the same week that he went to Greenland for three hours and then did that speech where he was talking about how, like, yeah, we're going to, like, provide you with all the resources. We're going to give you even more money. I think he said, like, an extra 100 billion more dollars for the military. And he said the phrase, like, if we ever go to war or when we send you to war. And then he would correct himself, like, if we ever have to send you to war. They're the war administration. They just have to have this sort of veneer of like. But we also hate that we have to. We don't want to do the war, but we're gonna. They're gonna make us do all these wars. It's very pathetic.
- [85:57]
Emma Bigland
How do they. How are they. We're supposed to think they're bringing masculinity back and this level of just bitching is. I mean, but it is the fascist thing. And to bring it back to Bolsonaro, Both weaken. The opponents are both incredibly strong and also super weak. And we are both incredibly strong but also super weak at the same time. It's this contradiction that only is reinforced by their very black and white dogmatic.
- [86:24]
Sam Cedar
Yeah, they have their categories, they have all their talking points. And they're like, oh, we're gonna, like, just like, yeah, we're gonna, like, destroy these soy boys who are after us. Oh, no. Yeah, they do that all the time. And they can have it both ways, I guess, because it works for some people, but it's just such an obvious play. And back and forth.
- [86:44]
Emma Bigland
Also, they are not spread. Given their whole, like, fixation on keeping women in the home, I wouldn't call them spreading freedom seeds across the world. Yeah, it's more of like a chattel seed situation, but, yeah, gross. Cody Johnson. Everybody's got to check out some more news. I mean, where are you guys at? Over 900,000 subscribers at this point.
- [87:12]
Sam Cedar
9 yeah, a little over 900,000. Let's get subscribe. We do a weekly long form, like written show, and then we have two podcasts beginning at the end of the week where we talk about all the things that. Too many things happen.
- [87:31]
Emma Bigland
Well, you guys do amazing work over there. Some more news. We'll put a link to that in the description below. Wherever people are listening to or watching this. Yes.
- [87:41]
Sam Cedar
I have to say this just in the context of all the Tim Pool of it all. Check out my band. And I'm not being. I'm not joking, check out my band. We're called the Hot Shapes. We're online. I didn't name my band after my podcast, unlike some brilliant artists.
- [87:56]
Emma Bigland
But, yeah, you didn't. Okay, Gotcha. Good.
- [88:00]
Sam Cedar
I had to say it.
- [88:01]
Matt Binder
Sorry.
- [88:02]
Emma Bigland
Check out that band. I got to check it out, too. Cody, thanks so much. Really appreciate your time.
- [88:07]
Sam Cedar
Love all the work you all do here, especially in this era. It's so laser focused and sharp and you don't let all the stuff distract you. And I really appreciate it.
- [88:20]
Emma Bigland
I appreciate that, too. Thanks so much, Cody. All right, guys, with that, we're going to wrap up the first part of this program, the free part of the program. We're gonna head into the fun half.
- [88:32]
Matt Binder
Got a little thing, some business to attend.
- [88:35]
Emma Bigland
Jesus Christ. Thank you. Thank you.
- [88:39]
Sam Cedar
Happy birthday.
- [88:40]
Emma Bigland
Thank you so much. Oh, look at that. Fire in the studio. Boom. Oh, is this funfetti?
- [88:47]
Sam Cedar
It's called birthday cake.
- [88:49]
Emma Bigland
Birthday cake, I mean.
- [88:50]
Sam Cedar
All rights reserved.
- [88:51]
Emma Bigland
Thank you, guys. Thank you so much. I love this flavor. I'm not always a cake person, so you took a risk here, but. But I don't know where I put that fork. I may have dropped it on the ground, whatever the plastic fork that was over there and threw it out. I'm sorry, Russ. I didn't know if that was for me, but. Oh, I have a spoon here.
- [89:10]
Greg Cassar
All right.
- [89:10]
Emma Bigland
Don't worry about it. Thank you guys so much. That's really sweet. But I did get some beers for the fun half, which I always enjoy doing sometimes. Thank you. On a Friday, on a special occasion.
- [89:21]
Matt Binder
I always enjoy doing sometimes.
- [89:22]
Emma Bigland
Sometimes just my words kind of sometimes fall apart when I'm 99% of the time. 99%. Also, like, you know, my mom was trying to, like, just like, let's all get together as a family. I'm like, I got this. I got the wedding. I'm under a mic. Like, I just feel like there's too much attention on me, so I get awkward and sometimes stumble over my words and don't make eye contact. But anyway, guys, thank you so much. It's really sweet for you guys to remember my birthday and I'll have a bite and then Matt, as I'm doing that, will tell us what's happening on Left Reckoning.
- [89:57]
Matt Binder
Yeah, Left Reckoning. We had Grace Thorvaldson on talking about some anti vax stuff in Colorado and Jared Polis being a sort of a libertarian caucus Democrat governor. So check that out. We're gonna do a Sunday show, patreon.com leftwrecking for members. We're just shy of a thousand members, so if you want to get the Sunday show like the 900, some other people that get it patreon.com left rocky. And also subscribe to us on Twitch.
- [90:25]
Emma Bigland
All right, folks, join themjorityreport.com if you'd like to support this show, please do. Keeps us resilient in these turbulent times. We will see you in the fun half.
- [90:35]
Sam Cedar
Okay, Emma, please.
- [90:36]
Emma Bigland
Well, I just. I feel that my voice is sorely lacking on the majority report.
- [90:40]
Sam Cedar
Wait, whoa. Look, Sam is unpopular.
- [90:43]
Emma Bigland
I do deserve vacation at Disney World.
- [90:45]
Sam Cedar
So, ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to welcome Emma to the show.
- [90:48]
Emma Bigland
It is Thursday.
- [90:50]
Matt Binder
Yeah, I think you need to take Cobra for Sam.
- [90:52]
Sam Cedar
Yes, please.
- [90:53]
Emma Bigland
No, no, no.
- [90:54]
Sam Cedar
I'm.
- [90:54]
Emma Bigland
I'm. I'm gonna pause you right there.
- [90:55]
Greg Cassar
Wait, what?
- [90:56]
Sam Cedar
You can't encourage Emma to live like this. And I'll tell you why. Someone offered a tour, sushi and poker with the boys. Tour sushi and poker with the boys. Who was offered a tour?
- [91:08]
Emma Bigland
Yeah.
- [91:09]
Sam Cedar
Sushi and poker with the boys. What? Sushi and poker.
- [91:14]
Emma Bigland
Tim's upset.
- [91:16]
Sam Cedar
Sushi and poker with tooth boys was offered the twerk sushi and that's what we call biz. Sushi and bulker with tooth boys.
- [91:25]
Emma Bigland
Right. Twerk sushi and we're gonna get demonetized. I just think that what you did to Tim pool was mean free speech.
- [91:33]
Greg Cassar
That's not what we're about here.
- [91:35]
Sam Cedar
Look at how sad he's become now. You shouldn't even talk about it.
- [91:38]
Emma Bigland
I think you're responsible. I probably am in a certain way. But let's get to the meltdown here.
- [91:45]
Sam Cedar
Sushi and poker with the boys. Oh, my God.
- [91:48]
Matt Binder
Wow.
- [91:48]
Greg Cassar
Sushi. I'm sorry. I'm losing my mind.
- [91:50]
Sam Cedar
Someone's offered a tour. Sushi and poker with boys. Logic. Sushi and poker. I think I'm like a little kid.
- [91:59]
Emma Bigland
I think I'm like a little kid. I think I'm like a kid.
- [92:01]
Sam Cedar
Twerk. I think I'M like a little kid? I think I'm like a little kid.
- [92:03]
Greg Cassar
Add this debate 7,000 thousand times a.
- [92:06]
Sam Cedar
Little care think I'm like a little.
- [92:07]
Greg Cassar
Care a little kid? I'm losing my mind.
- [92:10]
Matt Binder
Some people just don't understand.
- [92:12]
Sam Cedar
So I'm not trying to be a dick right now, but, like, I absolutely think the US should be providing me with a wife and kids.
- [92:20]
Emma Bigland
That's not what we're talking about here, all right?
- [92:24]
Greg Cassar
It's not a fun job.
- [92:26]
Sam Cedar
That's a real thing. That's real thing. Real thing. Willy Walker. That's a real thing.
- [92:30]
Greg Cassar
That's real thing.
- [92:32]
Sam Cedar
That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing.
- [92:37]
Greg Cassar
That's got real. Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Rogan has done it again.
- [92:43]
Sam Cedar
That's a real thing. I think he might be blowing it out proportion. Real thing that's offered.
- [92:50]
Greg Cassar
That's a real thing. That's.
- [92:51]
Sam Cedar
Let's go, Joey. Sushi and po.
- [92:55]
Matt Binder
Take it easy.
- [92:56]
Sam Cedar
The work. Sushi and poker.
- [92:58]
Greg Cassar
Things have really gotten out of hand.
- [93:00]
Sam Cedar
Sushi and poker with the boys.
- [93:04]
Greg Cassar
You don't have a clue as to.
- [93:06]
Emma Bigland
What'S going on live.
- [93:07]
Sam Cedar
YouTube.
- [93:08]
Emma Bigland
Sam has, like, the weight of the world on his shoulders. Sam doesn't want to do this show anymore. Anymore. It was so much easier when the majority report was just you.
- [93:18]
Greg Cassar
Let's change the subject.
- [93:20]
Emma Bigland
Drew Ranger is the next doing great now. Shut up. Don't want people saying reckless things on your program.
- [93:25]
Sam Cedar
That's one of the most difficult parts about this show.
- [93:28]
Emma Bigland
This is a pro killing podcast. I'm thinking maybe it's time we bury the hatchet. Left his best violet twerk.
- [93:34]
Sam Cedar
Don't be foolish and don't tweet at me and don't the way all of these people love it.
- [93:41]
Emma Bigland
That's where my heart is. So I wrote my honors thesis about it. Yes, I guess I should hand the.
- [93:50]
Greg Cassar
Main mic to you now.
- [93:51]
Sam Cedar
You are to the right of the unfortunate.
- [93:53]
Emma Bigland
We already formed Israel, dude. Are you against us?
- [93:56]
Greg Cassar
That's a tougher question I haven't answered.
- [94:03]
Sam Cedar
Incredible theme song.
- [94:04]
Emma Bigland
Hi, bumbler.
- [94:05]
Sam Cedar
Emma Viglin. Absolutely one of my favorite people, actually.
- [94:08]
Greg Cassar
Not just in the game, like, period.