2480 - Evil & Stupid: Trump Regime's Weekend Round-Up

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Majority Report with Sam Seder
Episode: 2480 - Evil & Stupid: Trump Regime's Weekend Round-Up
Release Date: April 21, 2025
Host: Sam Seder
Guest Speakers: Emma Vigeland, Brandon, Pete Hegseth, Gavin Newsom, Judy Maldonado Rahl, John Carl

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I. Introduction and Episode Overview

[00:00 - 03:15]
Sam Seder opens the episode by highlighting the tumultuous events of the past weekend related to the Trump administration. Key topics include a meltdown at the Defense Department, revelations about Pete Hegseth sharing attack plans in a private group chat, and the unexpected death of Pope Francis shortly after meeting with J.D. Vance.

II. Defense Department Leak and Pete Hegseth's Controversy

[03:16 - 19:24]
The hosts delve into the scandal involving Pete Hegseth, the Defense Department official, who reportedly shared sensitive attack plans within a private Signal chat group titled "Defense Team Huddle." This group included senior Pentagon officials and Hegseth's close aides. The leak was exposed by The New York Times, leading to the dismissal of two aides, Dan Caldwell and Darren Selnick, who vehemently denied any wrongdoing.

Notable Quotes:

• Sam Seder ([09:04]): "Publicly now. Right, like where it's quite clear who it is ultimately gave this stuff, how hard would it have been for any of these people to sort of like signal to advance?"
• Pete Hegseth ([11:43]): "Anonymous sources from disgruntled former employees. Former employees burn people and ruin their reputations."

The discussion highlights the operational security failures within the Defense Department, emphasizing the inadvertent exposure of classified information and the administration's attempt to deflect blame onto disgruntled employees.

III. Trump Administration's Policy Overhauls and Legal Battles

[19:24 - 30:20]
Sam and Emma shift focus to the Trump administration's aggressive policies, including attempts to dismantle the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) by firing 90% of its staff. The administration also seeks to cut $1 billion in research aid to Harvard University following pushback against its policies.

Notable Quotes:

• Sam Seder ([26:42]): "Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. As you know, the Trump regime attempted to fire literally 90% of the consumer Financial Protection Bureau staff."
• Emma Vigeland ([30:20]): "About Kamara Brego Garcia, who was from Maryland and was swept up in the first couple plane loads of Venezuelans sent to El Salvador."

IV. Immigration Policies and the Case of Kilmar Garcia

[30:20 - 43:48]
The episode extensively covers the controversial immigration policies under the Trump administration, particularly the deportations to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act. The spotlight is on Kilmar Garcia, a Maryland resident and El Salvadoran national, who is protected by a judge's order preventing his deportation due to threats to his safety in El Salvador.

Democratic lawmakers, including Representatives Robert Garcia, Maxwell Frost, Yasmin Ansari, and Maxine Dexter, have traveled to El Salvador to advocate for Garcia's return and to investigate the conditions of detainees being sent there. The group aims to expose the harsh realities of the detention facilities, such as SEACOT, where migrants face inhumane conditions.

Notable Quotes:

• Gavin Newsom ([34:01]): "I don't think it's ever wrong to protect the Constitution and protect due process rights."
• Sam Seder ([43:08]): "The constitutional rights exist as the basis of the rights that exist that are, that constrain the government."

The discussion underscores the violation of due process rights, highlighting cases where U.S. citizens like Jose Abrego Garcia were wrongfully detained and nearly deported without proper legal proceedings.

V. Supreme Court's Intervention and Legal Implications

[43:48 - 52:32]
The Supreme Court temporarily blocks further deportations under the Alien Enemies Act, a significant blow to the Trump administration's immigration crackdown. Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito issued dissenting opinions, questioning the necessity and timing of invoking the Act in a period not officially declared as wartime.

Notable Quotes:

• Sam Seder ([45:35]): "Supreme Court on Saturday night temporarily at least barred the Trump administration from deporting any more Venezuelan migrants it accused being gang members under the Alien Enemies Act."
• Gavin Newsom ([43:19]): "The Trump administration has admitted in court that he was wrongfully detained and wrongfully deported."

This legal battle emphasizes the judiciary's role in checking executive overreach, ensuring that constitutional rights are upheld even amidst stringent immigration enforcement.

VI. Political Fallout and Media Accountability

[52:32 - 61:18]
Sam and Emma critique the Democratic leadership, particularly Senator Chuck Schumer, for perceived inaction and failure to adequately support interventions like those undertaken by Senator Van Hollen. The hosts argue that Democratic strategies often fall short in effectively countering Republican maneuvers, leading to voter dissatisfaction and declining support among key demographics, such as Latino voters.

Notable Quotes:

• Emma Vigeland ([57:46]): "That's a really important point that there's a lot of people who are afraid to get their names publicized because of fear of retribution."
• Sam Seder ([60:05]): "We follow the enemies act. And you're talking like It's a Title 8 removal. Isn't a Title 8 removal. That's a different procedure."

The conversation highlights the challenges Democrats face in galvanizing support and effectively responding to aggressive Republican policies, particularly in the realm of immigration and civil rights.

VII. Conclusion and Future Implications

[61:18 - 68:40]
In wrapping up, the hosts discuss the broader implications of the Trump administration's policies on U.S. governance and international relations. They speculate on future developments, including potential continuations of the Alien Enemies Act's application and the ongoing conflict with El Salvador's government under President Bukele, who has ties with U.S. officials and business interests in crypto and other sectors.

Notable Quotes:

• Sam Seder ([66:25]): "Philippine Department drop all charges against man. It called the top MS.13 gang leader. It dropped all charges against Salvador man."
• Emma Vigeland ([68:02]): "There's a lot going on here that we don't know about."

The episode concludes with a critical outlook on the intertwining of political agendas, international agreements, and the erosion of institutional checks and balances, urging listeners to stay informed and engaged.

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Key Takeaways:

1. Operational Security Failures: The Defense Department's leak underscores significant lapses in handling classified information, raising concerns about the administration's competence and transparency.

2. Erosion of Due Process: The Trump administration's aggressive immigration policies, especially under the Alien Enemies Act, highlight a blatant disregard for constitutional rights, with severe implications for individuals like Kilmar Garcia.

3. Judicial Oversight: The Supreme Court's intervention serves as a critical check against executive overreach, emphasizing the judiciary's role in maintaining the balance of power.

4. Political Dynamics: The episode critiques both Republican overreach and Democratic response, pointing to a fragmented political landscape that affects voter sentiment and policy effectiveness.

5. International Relations: The involvement of Democratic lawmakers in El Salvador and the connections between U.S. officials and foreign leaders like President Bukele reveal complex international dynamics influenced by domestic policies.

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Notable Moments with Timestamps:

• [09:04] Sam Seder: Highlights how easily classified information can be leaked and the potential for intelligence agencies to exploit such vulnerabilities.

• [11:43] Pete Hegseth: Defends himself by accusing the media of relying on anonymous, disgruntled sources to tarnish his reputation.

• [34:01] Gavin Newsom: Emphasizes the importance of protecting constitutional rights and due process, irrespective of political affiliations.

• [43:19] Sam Seder: Stresses that constitutional rights constrain government actions, making them non-negotiable even under extreme policies.

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This comprehensive summary captures the essence of Episode 2480, providing listeners with a clear understanding of the critical discussions surrounding the Trump administration's policies, legal challenges, and the ongoing struggle for constitutional rights within the current political climate.

Transcript

[Emma Vigeland]

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[Sam Seder]

It is Monday, April 21, 2025. My name is Sam Seder. This is the five time award winning Majority Report. We are broadcasting live steps from its in from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, usa. On the program today, meltdown at the Defense Department. New York Times reveals Pete Hegseth shared attack plans on another separate party chat. Also on the program today, Pope Francis dies shortly after meeting with J.D. vance.

[Emma Vigeland]

Huh. Is he the Antichrist?

[Sam Seder]

Just asking questions.

[Emma Vigeland]

Well, he'd have to be more charismatic.

[Sam Seder]

Than in the wake of the Van Holland trip, four Democratic lawmakers traveled to El Salvador to secure Kilmar Garcia's return. Meanwhile, Supreme Court over the weekend temporarily blocks deportations under Trump's Alien Enemies Act. A district court judge in Georgia issues a temporary restraining order against visa revocation for international students. Meanwhile, 60,000Americans on track to lose rental assistance as funding for the emergency housing vouchers dries up. After saying that the threat to Harvard was an administrative mistake, Trump regimed to cut another billion dollars of research aid to that very university that gave them pushback. Meanwhile, D.C. district Court Judge freezes the Trump regime's attempt to fire 90% of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau workers. U.S. measles, however, rise past 800 cases. Congratulations that across 24 states. And bird flu hits U.S. cattle herds hard. Turns out Russia intensified attacks after calling for an Easter truce. And the Israeli probe of its assassination of 15 Palestinian medics finds, quote, professional failures, end quote. Lastly, Google back in court today as the DOJ is going to offer its solution to remedy Google's advertising monopoly, break up its business. All this and more today's Majority Report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

[Emma Vigeland]

It is fun day Monday.

[Sam Seder]

Fun day Monday.

[Emma Vigeland]

Welcome back, Sam.

[Sam Seder]

Thank you very much. I am back from vacation. I've just gotten back from the Vatican from. No, sorry, that's not the case.

[Emma Vigeland]

Such a slip up.

[Sam Seder]

It was such a slip up. No, I was not there. I was actually down in Mississippi, which is not, I don't often vacation there, but I was there. We had some, there's some Majority Report listeners and fans down there. That was fun to bump into those folks.

[Emma Vigeland]

It must have been a trip for them to see it down there.

[Sam Seder]

I think it was a little bit surprising. I did a little crappie fishing. Those down south know something about crap. Crappy. It's a big perch.

[Emma Vigeland]

Did you catch Anything?

[Sam Seder]

There was a couple of fish that we caught. I was not one of the persons who caught it, but sad. But it was fun. We had a fun time and good to see that the news is turned and things are doing swimmingly.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yep. Nothing happened last week. Nothing at all.

[Sam Seder]

We've got a ton to talk about, obviously, and a lot of it is focused around legal cases that are happening. You know, I am of two minds when it comes to Pete Hegseth because on one hand, if we're going to have destruction of our government functioning or you know, sort of slash and burn tactics, I think I would prefer it to happen with our military because we seem to have so much redundancy, waste and unnecessary expenditures and global size. I don't know if we're up to a thousand bases around the world now. Seems out of fashion to count how many we have. And despite the fact that we have one of the most peace loving presidents maybe in the history of the country, we have been now bombing the Houthis in Yemen for close to 45 days. I think it may be even a.

[Emma Vigeland]

Little bit more on Israel's behalf essentially because the Houthis in Yemen have been engaging in a shipping blockade off of their own shores, which is kind of a tactic that's been used throughout time immemorial by nations. But the United States calls that terrorism.

[Brandon]

Because of the ceasefire too. Just to add on to what you're saying, until Israel broke the ceasefire.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yes. And they've been engaging in the blockade to put pressure on Israel and the United States to stop funding this genocide of the Palestinians.

[Sam Seder]

And let's be clear, US Shipping through in that lane is I think in single digits percentage wise, if not then just slightly more. And for a country that claims to want to impose tariffs, enforce some type of parity between us and the rest of the world, why would we be there protecting the shipping lanes for other countries?

[Emma Vigeland]

JD Vance said that in the leaked chat which was saying that this might be incongruent with our more isolationist messaging on Europe because they were claiming it was to help the Europeans.

[Sam Seder]

Funny you bring up group chat because that we know that because Mike Waltz, the National Security Adviser, set up a group chat on Signal, which is an app that you can't install on government devices and.

[Emma Vigeland]

Well, you can, but you can't do privileged communications on that. You can't do classified communications on it.

[Sam Seder]

Well, I mean, plans to attack a country, specific plans when planes and, and whatnot are taking off, why would that be classified?

[Emma Vigeland]

Right.

[Sam Seder]

That was the chat where they accidentally added a reporter. Well, it turns out that Pete Hegseth had another signal chat on his own personal phone again. And this one included all the people. If you're a Defense Department secretary that you need to bounce off to, you know the details of an imminent attack. About two hours out, three hours out, various aides, his private attorney, who recently got recommissioned to work as, I guess, a JAG in the Navy, so that he could be close to Pete, his brother, who has nothing to do with these type of attacks, and of course, his wife. Because here's the thing that I found. When I was married, there would be a lot of times I'd have work communication, but then my. My. My wife might say, hey, will you pick up something at the supermarket? Combining. That is a stroke of genius.

[Emma Vigeland]

Absolutely. So called the Department of Government efficiency.

[Sam Seder]

Exactly. So there's this. Honey, will you pick up some stuff at the supermarket? Yes. And incidentally, in two hours, we've got these type of jets flying off of this carrier and those type of missiles that will be hitting this target. And I thought you should just know.

[Emma Vigeland]

Well, he's got to be open and transparent with her, and she probably has some rules about that, given past behavior.

[Sam Seder]

Oh, well, that also could be part of it. I want to hear everything, including the top secret stuff. So he. His wife Jennifer, and to be fair, she's probably qualified to have this information because she was a former Fox News producer, was on the. The chat called, and this was apparently a chat that was set up prior to his confirmation called Defense Team Huddle.

[Emma Vigeland]

Let's go, team. Let's kill those civilians in Yemen on behalf of Israel.

[Sam Seder]

Hegseth shared information, this from the New York Times, about the Yemen strikes in the Defense Team Huddle chat at roughly the same time he was putting the same details in the other signal chat group that included senior U.S. officials and inadvertently, the Atlantic magazine. This is people familiar with Hegseth's chat group. The Defense Team Huddle signal chat until recently, included about a dozen of Mr. Hegseth's top aides, including Joe Casper, Mr. Hegseth's chief of staff, and Mr. Parnell, who is the Pentagon chief spokesperson. The chat also included two senior advisors to Mr. Hegseth, Dan Caldwell and Darren Selnick, who were accused of leaking unauthorized information last week and were fired. Caldwell and Selnick were among three former top Pentagon officials who proclaimed their innocence in a public statement on Saturday in response to the leak injury inquiry that led to their dismissals. Yeah, it's unclear what what they are accused of leaking, but my guess is is that since that time of their firing, they may have leaked this. But here is Pete Hegseth explaining all of this away. It makes total sense when you hear him.

[Emma Vigeland]

Let's hear him out.

[Sam Seder]

He was at the Easter egg event on the White House lawn. Now, this is the one where all, I think all of the cabinet officials had to wear patches. Maybe it's on his back. We can't see it. Of the company that's sponsoring them for the day. That's the way they raised their.

[Emma Vigeland]

Like the NASCAR jackets.

[Sam Seder]

Exactly. I mean, who knows what's on the back of there. It could be he could have a meta patch or something like that on the back of his sport coat.

[Emma Vigeland]

Controversy.

[Pete Hegseth]

You know, what a big surprise that a bunch of. A few leakers get fired and suddenly a bunch of hit pieces come out from the same media that peddled the Russia hoax. Won't give back their Pulitzers. They got Pulitzers for a bunch of lies. Pulitzers for a bunch of lies. And on hoaxes time and time and time again. And as they peddle those lies, no one ever calls them on it. See, this is what the media does. They take anonymous sources from disgruntled former employees and then they try to slash and burn people.

[Emma Vigeland]

Can we pause it for a sec? Because, because like the, the last time he did this denial with the nobody was texting war plans, he looks right into the lens. He breaks the fourth wall. It's a tell for him. Also, people on the Internet pointed out that he only has one sideburn shaved.

[Sam Seder]

Wait, what? Which sideburn does he have?

[Brandon]

So this one is significantly one on the left side of his face as we see him is significantly longer than the one on the right. And once I've said that, you're not going to be able to notice anything else. So that's why I didn't say it up top.

[Emma Vigeland]

He was in a hurry.

[Sam Seder]

To be fair. He probably is shaving past, you know, after, you know, 5:30am and we know, you know, 5:00 is when you can start drinking.

[Emma Vigeland]

Right.

[Sam Seder]

He just gets rid of the a.m. or the p.m. i think is probably the. I think what he's also doing is he looks into this camera. I think there's a bunch of other cameras. And I think he's like taking his turn looking straight into these cameras and that's how you know he's telling the truth.

[Brandon]

I feel like that's too much like, oh, you came straight from Fox News into this role because normal People who have your position don't do that all the time, right?

[Sam Seder]

No, of course not. That's his. Is his scam. But let's just be clear.

[Emma Vigeland]

But how can it be the fake news. I'm sorry. And also the disgruntled employees confirm leaking to the press.

[Sam Seder]

Exactly.

[Emma Vigeland]

It can't both be that the media is making it up. And he basically confirms that those people who they threw under the bus, Caldwell Selnick, Carol Casper, these are the four that were fired because of this first signal gate. Then they're, they're talking to the press saying, hey, we got screwed over. It wasn't our bad.

[Sam Seder]

You know, that also raises the question of who are you sharing these details with? If it is this easy for this stuff to come out publicly. Publicly now. Right, like where it's quite clear who it is ultimately gave this stuff, how hard would it have been for any of these people to sort of like signal to advance? I mean, we know of at least 30 people who now who are on these, these publicly available. This is, these are insecure devices. And any sort of country, whether friend or foe, that has any type of intelligence agency, which is virtually all of them, the first thing they're going to do is try and bug the personal phones of people entering into government, and particularly those who are maybe coming from an arena where they haven't had to do this in the past, like say the weekend hosts of Fox and Friends. And the idea that this information battle plans you want to keep out of the hands of people, just the fact that they fire people who have the ability to expose this is indication that they have been really mismanaging their opsec, as it were.

[Brandon]

Yeah, these haters who know everything that is outside the lines that we're doing.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah, let's, let's make them really mad by firing them so we can protect Pete. Like, gosh, it would have just been so much smarter for Trump to fire Pete Hegseth and then he wouldn't have had to deal with any of this. Because Hex, that's already like, I mean, he's playing with house money here. He doesn't, he shouldn't be in this position.

[Sam Seder]

Hegseth. It would be easy to fire Hegseth except for the fact that like every time Hegseth needs Trump to stick up from that makes Hegseth that much more willing to do whatever Trump tells him to.

[Emma Vigeland]

I think Trump also likes him because of all of the skeletons in his closet too, because he thinks he's more easily controllable.

[Sam Seder]

Without a doubt.

[Pete Hegseth]

And time and time again. And as they pedal those lies, no one ever calls them on it. See, this is what the media does. They take anonymous sources from disgruntled former employees. Former employees burn people and ruin their reputations. Not going to work with me because we're changing the Defense Department. Putting the Pentagon back in the hands of war fighters. And anonymous smears from disgruntled former employees. Always on old news. Doesn't matter. So I'm happy to be here at the Easter Egg Roll with my dad and my kids because, you know, this is.

[Sam Seder]

Oh, oh, now he's introducing everybody to who's on the signal chat. My dad's over there. He was on the chat. Here's my kids. They were on the chat. This is my kids. Elementary school teacher. We put them on the chat. Kids are getting good grades now.

[Brandon]

Go ahead, maybe have the kids go play instead of backing you up on your.

[Sam Seder]

Exactly. Come over here and defend that.

[Emma Vigeland]

He's learned from Elon.

[Pete Hegseth]

These kids right here. This is why we're fighting the fake news media. This is why we're fighting slash and burn Democrats. This is why we're fighting hoaxters.

[Gavin Newsom]

Hoaxers.

[Brandon]

This group.

[Pete Hegseth]

No, no, this group right here. Full of hoaxers that pedal anonymous sources from leakers with axes to grind. And then. Yes, put it all together, positive it.

[Sam Seder]

Wait a second. News. How do we know they're anonymous sources? But he knows who they are.

[Emma Vigeland]

Well, that's what I mean there. Yeah, he's admitting that it's both disgruntled people. Yeah.

[Sam Seder]

One, if it's disgruntled leakers.

[Emma Vigeland]

Right.

[Sam Seder]

It can't be a hoax. But also. What do you mean they're anonymous? You clearly know who it is. They were people who are on this chat.

[Emma Vigeland]

Right. Who you then fired. Then on Saturday. Saturday, they put out a letter, some of them saying this was unfair. And then what do you know? On Sunday there's a report about that. Hegseth added them to a second chat.

[Sam Seder]

All right, let's see who else. He was involved in this chat. I think he's. He's got all of them. He brought them all to the thing today.

[Pete Hegseth]

Anonymous sources from leakers with access to grind. And then you put it all together as if it's some news story.

[Sam Seder]

You know exactly what it is. With big breasts. Is that what he was trying to say? There was a. Go back. Hold on for a second. Like, why did he say news stories?

[Emma Vigeland]

Like it's a hefty, hefty. It's got girth.

[Sam Seder]

It's got Access to grind.

[Pete Hegseth]

And then you put it all together as if it's some news story, then what we know. You know exactly what it is. So I'm really proud of what we're doing for the president. Fighting hard across the board. And I'm going to go roll some Easter eggs with my kids. Thank you very much. Have spoken to the president and we are going to continue fighting on the same PA the way.

[Brandon]

Crazy to have your kids, though.

[Sam Seder]

Unbelievable. Kids, I need you guys to back me up here.

[Emma Vigeland]

I tried my soundboard, but the nobody was texting war plans. One was right there. We'll figure that out. But, yeah, I don't know. Does he survive this?

[Sam Seder]

Yeah.

[Emma Vigeland]

Okay.

[Sam Seder]

Probably 100%. 100%. I mean, it'll take a while, but there's going to be more, I would imagine. It doesn't seem like they have really locked this thing up, much like Biden.

[Emma Vigeland]

Had those classified files that he reported that were at his personal home and then asked his own Department of Justice to appoint a special counsel to look into if any information was leaked. Like, the idea that this would happen for this administration is so laughable. But, like, that's a way bigger breach than Biden hanging on to some classified material accidentally and then reporting it. And then they did a double check with, with, with a DOJ Special counsel investigation. Like, this is such an enormous leak that in any other situation, they would have the DOJ look into it.

[Sam Seder]

Oh, my God.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah.

[Sam Seder]

I mean, I got to tell you that if. If I had anybody close to me, if I was in the military, I'd be a little bit concerned about, you know, how secure things are. I don't know that I would want to go out on some type of mission when you've got this type of, like, sieve. It's a sieve. That's it. I mean, I mean, if they take.

[Brandon]

Some sort of casualty, if something gets shot down or a boat gets blown up or something like that, they're going to investigate it and see all of this lack of discipline.

[Sam Seder]

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[Emma Vigeland]

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[Sam Seder]

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[Emma Vigeland]

Gil Duran.

[Sam Seder]

Gil Duran, he talked about this conference that took place, I think it was in September of 2024, called the Recode Conference, where the Tech Bros. And the Heritage foundation types basically got together and found how they were going to each pursue their parallel agendas. And Doge was very much a part of that. It is now shifting over to as. As Elon Musk falls out of favor and it becomes clear that the $2 trillion that he was going to save. I'm sorry, the. The $1 trillion that he was going to save. I'm sorry, the $600 billion that he was going to say. I'm sorry, the last count, he said he was going to save $150 billion in 2026. It's quite clear they're not even going to come close to that. This has all just been about destruction of government, saving no money because of course the money just ends up slushing around and getting wasted. Russell Vogt became the acting director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. He fired again, 90% of the staff, ostensibly under a new legal authority. That said, we only need to keep the people who can carry out the statutory mission of the organization. It's quite obvious that you can't get rid of 90% of the people on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and do that. There was real worries that the mortgage market was going to crash because the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is responsible for finding the average of mortgages across the country and posting that to allow for mortgage companies to know whether the mortgages that they're issuing, specific ones conform in a way that will allow the FHA to underwrite those mortgages. And so there was concerns that the mortgage market was going to fall apart. There's been a stay by a judge in D.C. in the D.C. circuit to that. So that's where that, that remains. Now, the other major push by the Trump administration, of course, is to not only destroy our immigration system, but to target immigrants. But understand this is just the beginning, right? I mean, we're watching this. This is part of a, a much broader, I don't know if there's another way of describing it than, than fascistic because we're seeing the detention of US Citizens. We're seeing the detention of just people traveling to the United States. We're seeing it conflate because it is, for a bunch of reasons with protest and particularly pro Palestinian protest in this country. And we'll talk more about that in a bit. But right now, the sort of largest story within this massive bucket that emanates out of their anti immigrant stance is.

[Emma Vigeland]

About Kamara Brego Garcia, who was from.

[Sam Seder]

Maryland and was swept up in the first couple plane loads of Venezuelans sent to El Salvador. Now, he is El Salvadoran and specifically was protected by judge's order to not be deported to El Salvador. He's still going to, he was still going through proceedings.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah.

[Sam Seder]

The only thing that the judge had said at that point is you cannot send him to El Salvador because there is, we've established that there is actual danger to him to be sent back there. Now, he was also on a list of, of people who ostensibly were not going to be rounded up. He was. And it was ostensibly because of tattoos or hats. You know, and don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of any of the Chicago sports teams, but that does not seem reason to be sent to a Gulag. Senator Van Hollen was sent down here and down there. And one thing that, I'm sorry, went down there and met with him as a way of putting pressure both on the Bukoli government, but essentially the U.S. government. And there has been a, an argument within the Democratic leadership as to whether Democrats should focus on this because their whole strategy has been to do nothing. And you Know, people would just get mad on their own. Well, the one thing that just before we even listen to what Van Hollen has to say that is clear, is that Van Hollen, by doing this, was put on every single Sunday talk show. Now, that is the relevance of that is. I don't know how relevant it is other than to say that it is dominating the news, or at least the Washington news. And in these instances, putting pressure on politicians in Washington is incredibly important if you want to gum up the works at all here.

[Emma Vigeland]

And I saw Dave Weigel, who was reporting, and I forget where he was, but he was saying that he was overhearing this conversation across. Across the country. This had. This Kilmar Brigo Garcia case transcended traditional political news.

[Brandon]

We saw it in Grassley's town hall. People were pissed.

[Emma Vigeland]

People were really. And this is credit to Van Hollen, whose actions here have show how pathetic Chuck Schumer's leadership is in the Senate. And also calls out other senators who are not doing the same thing for me. Adam Schiff, Alex Padilla of California. Why have they not gone down there? Because it seems like the gay hairdresser who was taken, who was fleeing political violence in Venezuela and is now rotting in this El Salvador torture chamber, he looked like he might have been their constituent. We should have every Democratic senator doing this.

[Sam Seder]

Here's Van Hollen. We got two clips from Van Hollen, and both of them are great. And I assume he's doing this on ABC News, but he was on NBC. He was on cbs. I think he was on cnn. I suspect he was on msnbc.

[Emma Vigeland]

He was on Fox News as well.

[Sam Seder]

He was on Fox News. I imagine he said this in every one of those appearances. I want to.

[John Carl]

I want you to listen to something that Gavin Newsom had to say about all the attention this case has gotten.

[Sam Seder]

This is the distraction of the day, the art of distraction. This is the debate they want. This is their 8020 issue, as they've described it.

[John Carl]

Is he right about the politics list? I mean, the Republicans have taken great joy in portraying you as somebody who is defending somebody who's in this country illegally. They say, as a gang member. And, you know, and they say that they're trying to just enforce the laws.

[Gavin Newsom]

John, I don't think it's ever wrong to protect the Constitution and protect due process rights. I think conservative and libertarians, when they think about this case, the idea of somebody being deprived of their liberty and actually in a foreign prison without due process of law, that's something we should all fight for. I think what Americans are tired of is people who want to put their finger to the wind to see what's going on. And I would say that anyone that's not prepared to defend the constitutional rights of one man when they threaten the constitutional rights of all doesn't deserve the lead.

[John Carl]

As you know, the president himself is.

[Sam Seder]

Attacking you by now. I will say this. I, I couldn't agree more with how despicable Gavin Newsom is being in this, in this way. First off, I think he's also wrong on the merits, on the, on the political side of this argument. But the idea that we can just look away from the refusal to provide due process is just insane to me. It's just insane. And, you know, from a politician, I mean, I don't know how else to express it. Like, I don't know what else you would fight for if you would not fight for that.

[Emma Vigeland]

And that voters understand that intrinsically. They understand that intrinsically that when you're, when you're making these calculations that they're not, that you're not going to fight for them. This is why the Democrats are losing. This is why the Democrats are losing.

[Sam Seder]

This is not a process argument, too. I mean, I can understand the people's reluctance to go too deep into process arguments, but this is not a process argument. This is a fundamental. And like he did there very easily translates into independent speak, as it were.

[Emma Vigeland]

It's also definitionally not an 8020 issue, which, like, I mean, that is.

[Brandon]

Listen to too much Charlie Kirk, buddy.

[Emma Vigeland]

I have never exactly. Well, we're here. He said it. His son loves Charlie Kirk and he's been listening to a lot of it. Sounds like it. There's probably no issue, honestly, that I can think of off the top of my head where Republicans pull 80% to 20%. But the, there was a great piece. I read some of it on Friday from Brian Cooper and the American Prospect. Just two sentences from it. More recent polls show the priority of immigration plummeting and majority disapproval for Trump on the issue. In the most recent YouGov economist poll, he's now 11 points underwater, down 16 points since he was inaugurated. Among Latinos, he is now 46 points underwater with that very top, with that very issue, which is like he's lost.

[Sam Seder]

He'S lost a significant amount of his Latino support. It in, in April, the beginning of this month, 64% of Hispanic voters saw Trump unfavorably. That popped up another five points this past week.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah, and we're going to get more and more polling on this as this issue continues to marinate. So he's wrong on that it broadly because like also Trump is going to pull positively, positively with immigration because it's the number one issue that he's tied himself to ever since he came down on the escalator at Trump Tower 10 years ago and talked about how some I assume are good people but most are whatever, rape rapists and criminals. Like this is his brand. So that's why he polls positively on it because he talks strongly about it. If say the Democrats decide to get behind something like, I don't know, taxing the rich, perhaps they'd be closer to an 8020 issue on that front instead of just constantly leading from behind with polling going first.

[Sam Seder]

We should also say why Gavin Newsom is wrong about on both cases. Right again. Guardian reports immigration officials detained a U.S. citizen for nearly 10 days in Arizona. This is according to court records and press reports. The NPR affiliate Arizona Public Media first reported a 19 year old is American citizen. Now we talk about due process. Due process means we need to use all efforts essentially to establish that this person is who we think they are and is guilty of what we think they are. I want to want you to guess for a moment what this person's last name if you can get a sense of like what perhaps is the, the ethnic background of course of this person. Jose, a New Mexico resident visiting Arizona was detained by Border Patrol agents in Nogales. That's according to them city along the Mexico border about an hour south of Tucson. On April 8, Border Patrol official found Himoso without the proper immigration documents. Now part of that is probably because he's not an immigrant and claimed that the young American had admitted entering the US Illegally from Mexico. Two days later, the federal court document notes that Hermoso continued to claim he was a U.S. citizen. On April 17, a federal judge dismissed his case. According to AZPM, that's Arizona Public media. Mocio was visiting the Tucson area from Albuquerque, got lost without identification, was arrested by Border Patrol officials near its headquarters in Nogales. Hermosa's girlfriend family made numerous calls looking for him before they discovered he was being held at the Florence Correctional Center, a privately run Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility. After his arrest, the court docket shows he was temporarily detained in the custody of U S Marshals. This is only after the family tracked him down. They provided officials with his birth certificate and Social Security card. Like what if his girlfriend wasn't tracking where he was? What if this guy was just like a 25 year old who doesn't keep in touch with his family very much. I mean, that's why you have due process. That's why you have due process. Let's listen to Van Hollen more.

[Gavin Newsom]

Doesn't deserve the lead.

[John Carl]

As you know, the president himself has been attacking you by pointing out some of the aspects of Abrego Garcia's record, including the fact that his wife had an order, order of protection against him in 2021 and alleged some pretty serious allegations of abuse, and even that he had. He had detained her. Are you concerned about your defense of somebody? Obviously, everybody in this country, even those undocumented immigrants, have rights, but are you concerned about standing so forcefully with somebody that has, you know, at least a questionable record?

[Gavin Newsom]

I am not defending the man. I'm defending the rights of this man to due process. And the Trump administration has admitted in court that he was wrongfully detained and wrongfully deported. My mission and my purpose is to make sure that we uphold the rule of law, because if we take it away from him, we do jeopardize it for everybody else. And I do want to point out, yes, the Trump administration is trying to change the story. They're trying to attract attention. Here's where they should put their facts. They should put it before the court. They should put up or shut up in court because Judge Zinnis, who's the district court judge in this case, said, and I quote, they put no evidence linking abrego Garcia to Ms. 13 or to any other terrorist activity, unquote. She says that a couple times in her decision. So, Mr. President and Republicans and anybody involved with this, take your facts to court. Don't put everything out on social media. As to his wife, his wife is the one who is asking us all to bring him home so his rights can be respected.

[John Carl]

And in fact, even if he is a gang member, that doesn't mean you don't have rights. Due process rights.

[Gavin Newsom]

Well, exactly. But again, the place to litigate that is in the courts, and they've not put the evidence before the judge in the case. So, again, put up or shut up in court.

[Sam Seder]

I mean, that's the bottom line. We don't need a perfect. I mean, you know, Abrego Garcia, I think he was on what his way to pick up his son was that? I don't know. I don't remember when he got picked up.

[Brandon]

Union worker in our building trades.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yep.

[Sam Seder]

The. You don't have to be the perfect victim here to be worthy of constitutional rights. The constitutional rights exist. If there were no people in the country. The constitutional rights exist as the basis of the rights that exist that are, that constrain the government. In this instance, due process is not just a right that is embedded in everyone who is a person in this country. It is also an obligation that the government has and they're blowing through this. So good for Van Hollen for not like rushing to sort of get caught into some argument as to whether Abrego Garcia is a good person or not. It's irrelevant.

[Emma Vigeland]

Also, Carl asked two questions in that vein, back to back, by the way, where it's just like this is just an embarrassment. His first question said that implied or repeated the Trump administration's claim that he was in a gang. Could you just maybe make a discernment and say that what they're saying in public completely contradicts some of the claims that they're making in court? Because, for example, Stephen Miller and Trump and the rest of the administration are now saying it's not a mistake. But in court, they had said it was a mistake repeatedly, including Trump's own solicitor general and ICE officials who were responsible for the picking up of this man. So it's just like, can the questions not keep moving towards the administration's false claims, regardless of how erroneous and outrageous they get?

[Sam Seder]

We should also say, getting back to the political messaging that apparently what's his face, Gavin Newsom has a problem with. The Supreme Court on Saturday night temporarily at least barred the Trump administration from deporting any more Venezuelan migrants it accused being gang members under the Alien Enemies Act. Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito apparently had issued a dissent about that decision, but the dissent was extremely weak and half hearted. It sounds like this government is directed not to remove any member of the putative class of detainees from the United States until further order of this court. Justices said earlier in a brief, unsigned decision, apparently there was a bus load of Venezuelan migrants that turned around sometime just as that was issued.

[Emma Vigeland]

The court had issued their ruling at 12:55 in the morning, 12:55am an emergency stay on these deportations. And we're still NBC has that report right where we don't know fully if they were trying to, to if they were yet in violation of what the Supreme Court was saying. I think still that timeframe is coming out. But this, it looked like they were trying to do what they did previously with the other judge saying that they couldn't deport these people to make the claim. Well, they're already on their way.

[Sam Seder]

Let's be clear. This, this, this stay was issued at Almost one in the morning.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yep.

[Sam Seder]

On, I guess what would be Saturday night. Saturday morning. And I think there is actually video of, of a bus turning around, but it's unclear what the timing was.

[Emma Vigeland]

That number three might do that, right, Russ? Is that if we wanted to play number three, that's, that includes some of that footage? Sam?

[Sam Seder]

Yeah. Okay. All right, well, let's play this just. And to give you a sense of just. There's, there's multiple issues here, but obviously the biggest one is the failure of the Trump regime to allow for due process to establish that these people are who the government claims they are. There's another issue as to whether you can even invoke the Alien Enemies act in this manner. But the primary issue is due process. There is the issue of due process as a constitutional obligation our government has. It is a duty our government has because every people who are within the jurisdiction of the United States have a right to due process. The other issue is, is just how bumbling and thuggish these ICE officers are. They're largely washouts or never could be from other law enforcement agencies. They are basically being unshackled. They are rounding up whoever is easiest for them to round up. I mean, if they were rounding up all these dangerous gang members who are terrorist cells, we would be hearing about shootouts. It's amazing how easy it is for these people to round them up. I mean, they're sending out six people to arrest a doctoral student on the street in Somerville. But supposedly we're rounding up all of these terrorists and not a single gunshot is fired.

[Emma Vigeland]

It's odd.

[Sam Seder]

These, I mean, are. These are invading, occupying forces and they're just laying down their arms and walking away. I don't get it. I mean, that's the other aspect about this, how much bs Even their premises. Here is the wife of Judy Ral. Her husband, Eduardo Dabin Ral, is a Venezuelan national who was detained by ICE because of tattoos.

[Judy Maldonado Rahl]

Today, Judy Maldonado Rahl, driving six hours from El Paso to the Blue Bonnet detention facility. Her husband, Eduardo Dabouin Rawl, a Venezuelan national, among them. Why did ICE say that your husband.

[Emma Vigeland]

Was detained because of his tattoos?

[Judy Maldonado Rahl]

In this video, she shared her husband making a plea hours before his then imminent deportation and denying he is a member of the Trende Aragua gang, saying we are simply being unjustly judged because of our tattoos. Dabouin Rawls wife says he came to the country legally in 2023 through a parole program, which the Trump administration has since tried to eliminate. But a federal Judge earlier this week temporarily blocked that effort. Has he been charged?

[Emma Vigeland]

No, we don't have any charges. He's never been given anything.

[Judy Maldonado Rahl]

NBC News was not able to locate any state or federal criminal records for Dabo Enroll. On Friday night, he says he was among the Venezuelans heading to an airport. At the exact same time, a federal judge heard arguments from lawyers trying to stop the men's deportations.

[Emma Vigeland]

They were told, well, you were lucky you were sent back because you were going to El Salvador, not Venezuela.

[Judy Maldonado Rahl]

Then they turned back to the ICE facility. Several of the detainees, along with Davilin Rawl recording via video call their own testimonials to family arguing they're wrongfully accused in holding up their removal orders. The men's futures with the Supreme Court's order now even more in question.

[Sam Seder]

Vaughn Hillary joins us now from the White House. And Vaughn, the Trump administration filed a response to that Supreme Court order.

[Gavin Newsom]

Jose.

[Judy Maldonado Rahl]

The White House is now formally asking the Supreme Court to stop its pause on these would be deportation flights. And we asked DHS and ICE for more information on Dabouin Rawls detention but have not heard back yet.

[Sam Seder]

Jose? Oh wow, what a surprise. So not being forthcoming on that.

[Emma Vigeland]

That was the group of migrants who were about to potentially be sent or immigrants people who were about to be sent to that El Salvador torture chamber. And like I to just under underline what the conditions are like there. The lights are on, blaring LEDs 24 hours a day. They don't get to go outside. They don't get to see a lawyer. They don't get to talk to a family member. They are packed in like sardines. There are mass reports, reports of disease. Hundreds have died in this facility, Seacot, which opened only at the start of 2023. So it's been two years and change and there have been hundreds of deaths there. They have no sheets, they have no pillows. They are stacked on top of one another and sleep in these like steel barracks. And there's mass abuse by these prison guards. That's where this man, this husband who came here legally using the Venezuelan parole program that put on was put in place under Biden was going to be sent to for coming to this country legally.

[Sam Seder]

And as far as like, you know, the, the slippery slope here, you've got completely hysterical Democrats out there saying that we should not deport U.S. citizens to these jails. And this guy, Senator John Kennedy, oh, wait a second. We pull up a tear sheet on this. Senator John Kennedy from Louisiana, Republican is out there now having to feel feel somewhat obligated to say publicly the president should not be deporting US Citizens to foreign jails. Is that not like. I mean.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah.

[Sam Seder]

And Gavin Newsom thinks it's just a. It's a distraction when a Republican senator feels it's necessary to stake a claim that the president should not be deporting Americans to foreign prisoners. It seems to me there may be a bigger problem here.

[Brandon]

Well, that's the thing, the Abrego Garcia thing. That's only really. There's a few reasons that. That's the most prominent one, because they admitted in court that there was a mistake, and that's why Stephen Miller tried to backfill it, say, no, it actually wasn't a mistake. He's also a union guy. But if we can send somebody there through any kind of accident and not get them back, then you can't send anyone there at all. And frankly, like that, it proves why you can't send anyone outside of your jurisdiction legally.

[Emma Vigeland]

But we know that. And then that's the other point is, is that they're lying about that which we saw. And that was part of what the Van Hollen visit was so important in terms of, like, what it accomplished. Because this means, Sam, that Bukele can no longer argue that he can't release him because he did, because he took him out of. Of seacot or wherever he'd been transferred to after.

[Sam Seder]

Isn't that part of the. The seacot program? You get to go and have margaritas like, once a day or something like that?

[Emma Vigeland]

That's another thing I want to correct my Friday. It had looked like they had Photoshopped it, but Van Hollen had a press conference late later in the afternoon where he said, no, no, no. They insisted that we do this. This photo near the pool. They tried to do it, but then they settled, I guess, for the lobby area. And they had brought out cocktails with salt on the rim and maraschino cherries for a photograph. And then Van Hollen and his people took it away. So they were trying to make it look like. No, no, no. Those horrible images that I just described to you out of C. COD that you're seeing, that's not the reality. We'll troll you and say he's actually at some sort of resort. But that also shows that they're scared about the politics of it, too. They. They undercut themselves by showing they can take him out. And then they also showed weakness, basically about, like, their fear about what this looks like and how the rest of the public is reacting to it.

[Sam Seder]

And we should note that there are four Democratic House members who landed in El Salvador as of this morning. Democratic Reps. Robert Garcia of California, Maxwell Frost of Florida.

[Emma Vigeland]

Nice.

[Sam Seder]

Yasmin Ansari of Arizona and Maxine Dexter of Oregon are in El Salvador. They're planning to meet with officials at the U.S. embassy to advocate for Abrego Garcia's release and get information on other detainees transferred to El salvador from the U.S. good. Frost, in a statement accused the Trump administration of, quote, running a government funded kidnapping program, illegally arresting, jailing and deporting innocent people with zero due process, which Abrego Garcia is, is merely the latest victim.

[Brandon]

That's a really important point that there's a lot of people who are afraid to get their names publicized because of fear of retribution.

[Sam Seder]

You're not going to have that many. I mean you got to think about like even if first of all, when you deport people, sending them to a prison is not deportation. Right? It's not deportation if there are and I have no doubt, well, I assume there are undocumented immigrants who were sent to El Salvador. I don't know what stage of the process they were in a legal process. More than likely they were involved in some legal process. That's how their names were on a list. But sending them to a prison is not deportation. Sending them to a prison without any due process or even what appears to be any evidence of any crime committed, like criminal offense as opposed to civil defense offense, I should say so. Good for those lawmakers heading down there. And again, if a Republican senator feels it necessary to say that we cannot do the same thing with US Citizens, then he at least is aware of where they're heading with this. We just had a I am from I think it was somebody I just missed it. But folks saying they have relatives who work for ICE and they are all getting mentally prepared to do this with citizens. But regardless, that's not even necessary for this to cause this level of alarm. Here is Tom Homan going on and justifying what ICE has been doing protect this country.

[John Carl]

And you're saying there's no mistakes. No mistakes that everybody sent to this prison, again with no guarantee of any.

[Sam Seder]

Right to this is this is the thing is that this is a completely secondary question. It doesn't matter whether there's no mistakes because Homan nor what's John Carl is in a position to make this assessment. That's why you have due process. That's where that assessment happens. And even if Tom Homan is 100% sure that all of their police work and all. It's not even police work. All of their thuggery is mistake free. The point is he is not in a position to make that assessment. That's not the way our system works.

[Emma Vigeland]

Right.

[John Carl]

That everybody sent to this prison again with no guarantee of any right to have a chance to challenge their imprisonment, any prospect of release and they didn't.

[H]

Go through a full.

[John Carl]

And none of these people as you've acknowledged have gone through a full trial and enemies act.

[H]

We follow the enemies act. And you're talking like It's a Title 8 removal. Isn't a Title 8 removal. That's a different procedure. Yeah. So you're acknowledging without, without Congress act.

[John Carl]

So no extended proceedings, no chance to prove their innocence. Somebody's got a bad tattoo.

[Sam Seder]

I'm telling you.

[John Carl]

I mean you acknowledge tattoos are part of the, the calculation here. I mean you might have.

[H]

There's one factor out of many factors I, I worked. Have you, have you been on alien gang squad? Because I have. Tattoos are one of many factors that's going to determine some of the tanks. It's not the only one. You can't say okay, tattoo gang member. No, there's other India that did added to that tattoo. Tattoo is one factor that adds to other factors that make that determination. What I'm saying is you can't ignore a tattoo. That's, that's one more factor that leads you to believe maybe the gang member. It's just not based on tattoos. It's based on a lot of other things. But tattoos one of many. But no one's removed just because of a tattoo.

[Sam Seder]

Secret things we do other secret things.

[Brandon]

We just cite the Real Madrid football team tattoo. But you know there's a whole bunch of tattoos.

[Sam Seder]

But there's also, you're also forgetting John Carl baseball caps you have to ask about.

[Brandon]

You're not cool enough.

[Sam Seder]

You're not automatically gang member unless with just a tattoo you also got to be wearing a baseball cap. I mean this guy's a frickin idiot.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah.

[Sam Seder]

Just an absolute thug.

[Emma Vigeland]

How could you say that? He sounds so articulate.

[Sam Seder]

And the other part is is that at the very least now Homan is recognizing. He, he argues that under the Alien Enemies act there need to be no due process. The due process is suspended under the invocation of that act.

[Emma Vigeland]

Great point.

[Sam Seder]

Now the Supreme Court's going to decide whether you can invoke that act in a period of what is clearly not war. Because if you can invoke that act right now because of the supposed invasion by Ms. 13 or 20. Like, when can't you.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah. Also like, there was the makeup artist that I talked about who had no police record. There was also the man with the autism awareness tattoo that they scooped up just for having tattoos.

[Brandon]

Like there's this guy outlined in El Faro, which is a great Central American paper. US Wife seek out deportee. This is Jesus Alberto Reese Andrade.

[Sam Seder]

Okay. That's what I'm saying. Put it up there. Okay. Not just tattoos. Baseball cap. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Brandon]

He was a Lakers fan. Look at that.

[Sam Seder]

Okay.

[Brandon]

There's a bunch of gang members watching the Timberwolves.

[Sam Seder]

Right. Baseball cap again.

[Brandon]

Buying groceries.

[Sam Seder]

Right.

[Emma Vigeland]

We all know what's in those.

[Brandon]

His wife doesn't know if he's alive or dead.

[Emma Vigeland]

Now we don't know what's in those bags. Yeah, yeah. That's not.

[Sam Seder]

Should also say there is some history here. And I think, you know, one of the things that would be interesting is to seal with the. See what the nature of this deal that the Trump people have with bukele.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yes.

[Sam Seder]

In 2015 or prior to 2015, my understanding is that there was an agreement between the then government in el Salvador with ms.13 to essentially tamp down violence in El Salvador which provided Ms. 13 with some easing of their business, the business that they were running and sort of the situation for people who are in prison. And then in 2015, the US government started cracking down on Ms. 13 in this country and that one of the ways that Bukele got back into power was to strike a deal with Ms. 13mm to roll back in the sort of those issues. We will not.

[Brandon]

Send you to America.

[Sam Seder]

We will not send you to America. We will attempt to get you back from America if you're in their prison system. We will make the prison system here for Ms. 13 members a little bit more comfortable. We will allow for business decisions to be made out of prison, etc. Etc. And just recently, I don't have this in front of me. The Trump administration released a MS.13 member that the DOJ was apparently.

[Emma Vigeland]

After.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, was after. And sent back. Here it is. April 10th. Pop this up. Justice Department drop all charges against man. It called the top MS.13 gang leader. It dropped all charges against Salvador man. Motion was filed after Pam Bondi and other law enforcement had announced the arrest of Henry Ozu Valentro Santos at a news conference. Now, they may end up sending or trying to send this guy back to El Salvador, but apparently there's a saying in El Salvador about not wanting to be, you know, Better to die in El Salvador than to live in a U.S. prison.

[Emma Vigeland]

I do think it's interesting that Elon Musk and Bukele met at his Texas facility in 2024. Elon Musk also met with Argentinean far right crypto president, similar ideologically to a guy like Bukele met with him in Texas also in 2024. Bukele also has a coffee business that's registered in the United States with a. I think it's an LLC that is in Miami. I'm just. There's like a lot going on here that we don't know about.

[Sam Seder]

I think there's a lot to come out. We'll see how hard they defend this going forward.

[Emma Vigeland]

But they're all, all of these guys, the ones, they're, they're involved in crypto. We know that there is a financial deal with the government of El Salvador for this prison exchange system or whatever for taking our deportees. So you got to wonder how like is Bukele getting personally enriched on the top, on top of that, with a US based LLC to sell coffee as the head of state in El Salvador?

[Sam Seder]

Part of it.

[Brandon]

Part of it, yeah. It's his new, it's his new hustle because the crypto thing, the World Bank's like, hey, if you want these loans, you're going to have to stop making crypto mandatory for like retailers to take. And he's like, oh, yes, okay, I'm now the penal colony space exporter to the world instead of the new money utopia guy.

[Sam Seder]

All right, we gotta go into the fun half.

[Emma Vigeland]

We gotta go.

[Sam Seder]

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[Emma Vigeland]

I like that one.

[Sam Seder]

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[Brandon]

Reckoning episodes abound. Tomorrow night we're gonna have Megan Dayon talking about Doge and Griscom and I did a Sunday show for folks talking about AOC's rise in Poland and some other. It's a little bit loud.

[Sam Seder]

Reckoning, I was going to say. Whoa. An irresistible Internet lure. Oh, my God. All right, folks, see you in the fun half. Three months from now, six months from now, nine months from now. And I don't think it's going to be the same as it looks like in six months from now. And I don't know if it's necessarily going to be better six months from now than it is three months from now, but I think around 18 months out, we're gonna look back and go like, wow. What? What is that going on? It's nuts. Wait a second. Hold on. Hold on for a second. Emma, welcome to the program. What is up? Everyone unpack. No M. Key. You did it. Fun hat.

[Emma Vigeland]

Let's go, Brandon.

[Sam Seder]

Let's go, Brandon. Bradley, you want to say hello?

[Brandon]

Sorry to disappoint everyone. I'm just a random guy.

[Sam Seder]

It's all the boys today.

[Gavin Newsom]

Fundamentally false.

[Emma Vigeland]

No. I'm sorry. Women.

[Sam Seder]

Stop talking for a second and let me finish.

[Emma Vigeland]

Where is this coming from? Dude?

[Sam Seder]

But. Dude, you want to smoke this? 7a. Hi, me? Is this. Yes, is this me? Is it me? It is you. Is this me? Hello? Is this me? I think it is you. Who is you? No sound. Every single freaking day. What's on your mind? We can discuss free markets and we can discuss capitalism.

[Emma Vigeland]

I'm gonna go snow white.

[Sam Seder]

Libertarians.

[Brandon]

They're so stupid.

[Sam Seder]

Though common sense says, of course.

[Emma Vigeland]

Gobbledygook.

[Sam Seder]

We nailed him.

[Emma Vigeland]

So what's 79 plus 21?

[Sam Seder]

Challenge. Man, I'm positively quivering. I believe 96. I want to say 8, 5, 7, 2, 1 0-355-0110. 3, 8, 9, 11. For instance.

[Emma Vigeland]

$3,400. $1900.

[Sam Seder]

5 for $3 trillion.

[Brandon]

Sold.

[Sam Seder]

It's a zero sum game.

[Emma Vigeland]

Actually. You're making me think less of.

[Sam Seder]

But. But let me say this. You can call it satire.

[Pete Hegseth]

Sam goes.

[Sam Seder]

It's satire. On top of it all. My favorite part about you is just like every day, all day, like everything you do. Without a doubt. Hey, buddy. We see you. All right, folks, folks, folks.

[Emma Vigeland]

It's just the week being weeded out. Obviously.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah. Sun's out, guns out. I. I don't know.

[Emma Vigeland]

But you should know.

[Brandon]

People just don't like to entertain ideas anymore.

[Sam Seder]

I have a question. Who cares?

[Brandon]

Our chat is enabled, folks.

[Sam Seder]

I love it.

[Emma Vigeland]

I do love that.

[Sam Seder]

Gotta jump. Gotta be quick. I gotta jump. I'm losing it, bro. 2:00. We're already late and the guy's being a dick. So screw him. Sent to a gulag.

[Emma Vigeland]

Outrageous.

[Sam Seder]

Like, what is wrong with you? Love you. Bye. Love you. Bye.