2511 - Palantir's Role in Government Surveillance & Activists Disrupting ICE w/ Makena Kelly & Roberto Camacho

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Majority Report with Sam Seder – Episode 2511 Title: Palantir's Role in Government Surveillance & Activists Disrupting ICE Release Date: June 4, 2025

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1. Introduction and Political Landscape (00:00 - 04:16)

The episode opens with Sam Seder providing an overview of the day's political climate. Key topics include:

• Tariffs on Steel and Aluminum: Sam mentions the doubling of tariffs, impacting factories reliant on these materials.

• Reconciliation Bill Dynamics: Senate Republicans are actively working to finalize language for the reconciliation bill. Concurrently, House Republicans express surprise over the bill's contents.

• Elon Musk's Opposition: Musk criticizes the "big beautiful bill," labeling it as an "abomination" (02:07).

• Funding Cuts and Policy Changes: The Trump administration seeks to revoke funding for public broadcasting and reduce tribal college funding by 90%. Additionally, hospitals face revoked guidance to provide emergency abortions when medically necessary (02:07, 03:03).

Notable Quote:

"Good luck if you're at a factory manufacturing anything that requires steel or aluminum." – Sam Seder (00:18)

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2. Impact of Government Cuts on Agencies (04:16 - 14:33)

Sam delves into the extensive cuts inflicted upon various government agencies under the Trump administration, emphasizing:

• Dogecoin (Doge) Influence: Doge officials are systematically reducing agency budgets through methods like Reduction in Force (RIF), asserting that missions can be achieved with fewer personnel. However, these cuts often lead to minimal savings or even increased costs. For example, cutting IRS staff results in greater revenue loss than savings.

• NOAA and National Weather Service (NWS): Significant understaffing (20-40%) in NOAA's offices from Tampa to Key West hampers weather forecasting and disaster preparedness. A South Florida weatherman, John Morales, highlights that reduced personnel and fewer weather balloon launches degrade forecast quality, potentially costing lives during hurricanes (09:37).

Notable Quotes:

"What we're starting to see is that the quality of the forecasts is becoming degraded." – John Morales (09:37)

"We're going to see this in food safety, drug safety, across the board." – Sam Seder (14:14)

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3. Privatization and Data Consolidation: Doge and Palantir (24:15 - 38:55)

Guest: Makena Kelly, Senior Writer at Wired

Makena Kelly discusses the deepening involvement of Doge and Palantir in government operations:

• Doge's Integration into Government: Doge personnel, including younger engineers like Luke Ferriter and Edward Korstein, have secured permanent positions across various agencies, including the Department of Labor and the CFPB. This widespread placement facilitates the administration's broader agenda (25:06).

• Palantir's Role in Data Consolidation: Palantir is instrumental in unifying disparate government data systems. Initiatives like the IRS hackathon to create a "Mega API" exemplify efforts to integrate data across agencies using Palantir's Foundry software. This consolidation aims to streamline data access but raises concerns about privacy and increased government surveillance (33:32).

• Legal and Ethical Implications: Kelly highlights ongoing lawsuits related to the Privacy Act, which restricts unauthorized data sharing. Despite existing contracts and interagency agreements that permit certain data exchanges, the expansion of these contracts with Palantir raises alarms over potential overreach and privacy infringements (35:58).

Notable Quotes:

"The one thing that we're seeing is an increasing privatization of government." – Makena Kelly (28:33)

"It's a multi-generational impact on science in this country." – Makena Kelly (37:49)

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4. Activism Against ICE: Community Patrols and Advocacy (46:53 - 63:32)

Guest: Roberto Camacho, Journalist from San Diego

Roberto Camacho sheds light on grassroots movements organizing to protect undocumented individuals from ICE raids:

• Union Del Barrio's Strategy: Founded in 1982, Union Del Barrio engages in volunteer community patrols aimed at identifying and warning residents about ICE presence. These patrols focus on spotting telltale signs of ICE vehicles, such as blacked-out windows and marked SUVs, and using social media and bullhorns to alert the community (48:09).

• Community Education and Rights Awareness: Beyond patrols, the organization conducts Know Your Rights programs, distributing bilingual literature and holding educational events to empower residents with knowledge on interacting with ICE (e.g., the necessity of a warrant for home entry) (53:54).

• Impact and Public Perception: The efforts in San Diego's South Park neighborhood, an upper-class area not typically associated with high immigrant populations, demonstrate a shifting public opinion against ICE. Such activism not only disrupts ICE operations by delaying raids but also fosters a broader national movement resisting federal immigration enforcement (62:06).

Notable Quotes:

"It's meant to instill fear into the community and overwhelm the community." – Makena Kelly (48:37)

"Public opinion of ICE is starting to shift." – Makena Kelly (63:22)

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5. Wrap-Up and Community Responses (63:32 - 75:23)

Sam Seder concludes the main content by:

• Highlighting Community Efforts Nationwide: References to similar ICE resistance activities in Minneapolis demonstrate the growing national trend of community-led defense initiatives.

• Encouraging Listener Engagement: Seder urges listeners to support local advocacy groups and utilize platforms like stopice.net to report ICE sightings.

Notable Quotes:

"We are on the cusp of feeling the real implications of this." – Sam Seder (12:14)

"You need to call your representatives and make sure that these cuts are stopped." – Makena Kelly (12:14)

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6. Additional Remarks and Sponsored Content

The episode includes promotional segments for sponsors such as "Delete Me" and "Fast Growing Trees," which the summary omits as per user instructions. The latter part of the transcript features humorous and off-topic banter among hosts and guests, which is also excluded from this summary.

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Conclusion

Episode 2511 of The Majority Report with Sam Seder offers a comprehensive analysis of the Trump administration's aggressive government cutbacks and the consequent privatization of essential services through entities like Doge and Palantir. It further emphasizes the grassroots movements forming to resist and protect vulnerable populations from federal immigration enforcement. Through insightful interviews with experts like Makena Kelly and Roberto Camacho, the episode underscores the profound and multifaceted impacts of these political maneuvers on American society and civil liberties.

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Timestamps Reference:

• 02:07: Discussion on Elon Musk and the reconciliation bill.
• 03:03: Trump's administration actions on emergency abortions.
• 09:37: Impact of NOAA cuts.
• 14:14: Sam Seder on future implications of cuts.
• 24:15: Introduction of Makena Kelly.
• 25:06: Doge's integration into government agencies.
• 28:33: Privatization of government through Doge.
• 33:32: Palantir's role in data consolidation.
• 35:58: Legal implications and Privacy Act.
• 46:53: Introduction of Roberto Camacho.
• 48:09: Union Del Barrio's community patrols.
• 53:54: Rules of engagement for community patrols.
• 63:22: Shifting public opinion against ICE.

(Timestamps correspond to segments within the provided transcript and are indicative for reference purposes.)

Transcript

[Sam Seder]

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[Emma Vigland]

Hour of content daily.

[Sam Seder]

It is Wednesday, June 4, 2025. My name is Sam Seder. This is the five time award winning Majority Report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, usa. On the program today, Makina Kelly, senior writer at Wired, on the non demise of Doge and Palantir's database. Then Roberto Camacho, journalist from San Diego, writing in bolts about folks organizing to defend people from ice. Also on the program today, tariffs on steel and aluminum entering the card tree double today. Good luck if you're at a factory manufacturing anything that requires steel or aluminum. Senate Republicans race to get language done on the reconciliation bill as House Republicans now cry they didn't know what was in the bill. A shutout of goodies. Elon Musk attacked the big beautiful bill as an abomination. Trump formally asked Congress to pull back funding for public broadcasting. Pete Hegseth skips the Ukraine meeting at NATO hq.

[John Morales]

Is that an important one?

[Sam Seder]

I mean, however, good news is he, he's on it. Orders the Navy to strip the name of Harvey Milk from a ship and planning to do so with any other civil rights icons. Milk was, was in the Navy, incidentally. The Trump regime revokes guidance to hospitals to provide emergency abortions when necessary to stabilize medical conditions of pregnant people in the wake of a Yale report that the big beautiful bill will cost 51,000 people their lives annually. Joanie Hearst's quip may turn out to haunt her.

[John Morales]

Say Joni Hearst on purpose hearses.

[Sam Seder]

Oh, did I? Fetterman loses another chief of staff. The ADP report shows the weakest private sector jobs gain in over two years. The BLS report comes out on Friday. Trump regime looking to cut tribal college funding by 90%. And the administration delays a farm trade report because it forecasts an increase in an agricultural trade deficit. Whoopsie. All this and more on today's Majority Report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. It is hump day. Emma Vigland out today. She's upset about the firing of the Knicks coach. Is she upset about it? What did she say yesterday? She heard about it.

[John Morales]

A little bit ambivalent maybe, you know, he got to the West Conference finals, but also they probably reached their peak with him. So there you go.

[Sam Seder]

She'll be back in tomorrow. Obviously. Right now the big story out there is what's going on in the Senate regarding the Reconciliation bill. There's a story out today in addition to Elon Musk, and we'll talk about this panning the bill. And there's also a story in the Times about some Republicans who are complaining that they hadn't read the bill.

[John Morales]

Now, I thought that was satire.

[Sam Seder]

Well, you know, the reality is, is that there have been times in the past. We'll talk about this later in the show. But there's been times in the past where you get a really big bill and it's brought to the floor very quickly and people don't have a chance to read it all and things get shoved in there. But I cannot tell you after doing this for 20 years how much of an issue this was for Republicans for over a decade. Like the primary complaint about the Affordable Care Act. I was on the Mall interviewing people at a Glenn Beck rally. The biggest complaint about the bill was A, that Nancy Pelosi had said, we'll see what's in the bill when we pass it, although she was talking about it well in advance of actually hitting the floor. And B, it should be illegal to have a bill that's over, you know, 100 pages or 10 pages or something.

[John Morales]

Too much homework.

[Sam Seder]

And to hear these stalwart Republicans like Marjorie Taylor Greene and and whatnot complain that they didn't know certain provisions were in the bill. Incidentally, the provisions they're complaining about were literally debated on the floor. Like we've watched some of the video. So it wasn't just a question of not reading. It was also a question of completely burying your head in the sand or sort of retconning this thing. But we'll talk more about that later. But the biggest story, of course, that has been ongoing has been the cuts to the various branches of our government, in many instances unauthorized by the DOGE people. And now in a second wave cuts that are still impacting these organizations. And because now you have Russell Vogt coming in and doing it in the sort of old fashioned Heritage Foundation Project 2025 WAY, which is to come in and claim that the agency can do its mission with a lot less people. DOGE just went in there and just cut Willy Nilly. Project 2025. Russell Vogt from the Office of Management and Budget is coming in with what is known as RIF reduction in force, claiming that they can still achieve the mission of these agencies which with a diminished workforce. And the fact of the matter is the amount of savings in this is, we know now, minimal and in many instances actually inverse. When you cut people from the IRS, you literally lose 6 or 7 or $12 per dollar. You save on their salaries because that's how much revenue they brought in. And one could probably make the argument even with Noah, the National oceanic and what does it stand for?

[John Morales]

The national oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, nobody can remember that because it provides warnings about major.

[John Morales]

Well, like trigger warnings.

[Sam Seder]

Well, no, not so much trigger warnings, but warnings about major weather events. And having that advance notice probably saves a ton of money both in terms of being able to mobilize things like fema. Although the FEMA head now doesn't realize that there's a hurricane season. But just, hey, maybe we should evacuate. Maybe we should board up. Maybe I shouldn't leave my boat in the water. Maybe I shouldn't have my car parked by the ocean, whatever it is. This is a clip of a South Florida weatherman talking about the paths of hurricanes going forward and being able to predict where hurricanes are going to go and why he may not be able to do that anymore versus what he was able to do half a dozen years ago.

[Roberto Camacho]

Right. When is it going to turn, John? It's not turning. It's coming straight to us. It's going to turn. All right. The turn was never forecast to be on Sunday. The turn isn't even on Monday morning. The turn will come Monday afternoon, Monday evening into Tuesday. Remember that? That was about six years ago. That was Hurricane Dorian as it was absolutely devastating the northwest Bahamas as a Category 5 sat over that region for two days. It was headed straight west. Lots of people in Florida were concerned the hurricane was heading here. And as you've grown accustomed to my presentations over my 34 years in South Florida newscasts confidently I went on TV and I told you it's going to turn. You don't need to worry. It is going to turn. And I am here to tell you that I'm not sure I can do that this year because of the cuts, the gutting, the sledgehammer attack on science in general. And I could talk about that for a long, long time and how that is affecting the U.S. leadership in science over many years and how we're losing that leadership. And this is a multi generational impact on science in this country. All right. But specifically, let's talk about the federal government cuts to the National Weather Service and to noaa. Did you know that Central and South Florida National Weather Service offices are currently basically 20 to 40% understaffed from Tampa to Key west, including the Miami office, 20 to 40% understaffed. Now, this type of staffing shortage is having impacts across the nation because there's been a nearly 20% reduction in weather balloon releases, launches that carry those radiosondes. And what we're starting to see is that the quality of the forecasts is becoming degraded. There's also a chance because of some of these cuts that NOAA hurricane hunter aircraft will not be able to fly this year. And with less reconnaissance missions, we may be flying blind. And we may not exactly know how strong a hurricane is before it reaches the coastline. Like happened a couple of years ago in Hurricane Otis in Acapulco, Mexico. So I was asked to talk about this today. I'm glad I was. I just want you to know that what you need to do is call your representatives and make sure that these cuts are stopped. Back to you.

[Sam Seder]

That was Florida weatherman John Morales. Spoiler alert. They're going to keep those cuts. It's possible, maybe, maybe because there'll be a Republican senator from Florida, maybe Rick Scott maybe will be able to get that reinstalled. But I mean, if you don't think that a 20 to 40% understaffed office or a 20% reduction in weather balloons is going to impact we, you know, it's impossible to know. One year it could be, doesn't make a difference in terms of any lives. Another year, maybe it's 50 lives, maybe it's 100 lives. But at the very least, the good news is we have more money to spend on defense and to provide tax cuts to wealthy people who maybe they can have their own weather service.

[John Morales]

Well, they can reinforce their shelters.

[Sam Seder]

I mean, there we, we are on the cusp of feeling the real implications to all of this. We're talking about it, there's a lot of stories about it. But we are on the cusp of feeling the implications of this and for the vast overwhelming number of Americans, they will never, never be aware, understand or have a sense of, hey, this is a function of that. No, I mean, it's just the people don't have the capacity to do that. I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not blaming anybody. I'm just saying that's just the reality.

[John Morales]

Of a worse media environment than we did six years ago, as evidenced by, you know, that clip we have?

[Sam Seder]

Yeah. I mean, just the idea that that has to be like presented by the weatherman himself. But, and good for him. He deserves a medal, frankly. And whoever allowed him to, to do.

[John Morales]

That on the air, apparently South Florida's longest tenured meteorologists, been there for decades.

[Sam Seder]

I was sort of shocked By, I mean, he looks older than he did six years ago. It happens fast, particularly when you get up around our age. But there's going to be, we're just not going to know. I mean, we're going to see this in, like, food safety, we're going to see this in, in, in drug safety. We're going to see this, we're going to see this across the board. It's just, there's no way to know for your average person that you can draw a line between these cuts and a diminishment of safety, quality, I don't know, convenience. They're going to get rid of the IRS direct file. I mean, we're going to see all sorts of different things like this, and people are just going to be like, oh, this sucks. And they're not going to realize what it's from. That's the challenge. But the good news is we have all these Democratic lawmakers out there really pounding the pavement about it. Chuck Schumer recording videos about the danger of a potential deal with Iran.

[Roberto Camacho]

What kind of bull is this?

[Sam Seder]

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[John Morales]

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[Sam Seder]

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[John Morales]

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[Sam Seder]

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[John Morales]

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[Sam Seder]

Exactly. But that person will be literally floored. All right. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, Makina Kelly, senior writer at Wired.

[John Morales]

Sam.

[Sam Seder]

We are back. Sam Cedar on the Majority Report. Emma Viglin out today. Want to welcome to the program McKenna Kelly, senior writer at Wired, focused on the intersection of politics, power and technology. McKenna, welcome to the program.

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah, thanks for having me.

[Sam Seder]

You've written a bunch of pieces about Doge over the past really a couple months. I guess it appears on the surface. Well, anyways, Elon Musk had to leave as of May because his role as a special advisor, he did not want to become a, an actual government employee. And therefore he was sort of statutorily obligated to step back. There's also been this sort of show that there's maybe some separation between him and the administration. He was complaining about the Big Bill. I'm a little skeptical about that myself. But Doge, I don't think people fully appreciate. Doge is there and you've written about this. I mean, tell us how they have dug in and where we can see examples of this.

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah, I mean, it's all across government. Right. Earlier this morning I was rushing to get up a story because I was able to see documentation that a handful of these early Doge folks, some of the younger kids like Luke Ferriter and Edward Korstein, big balls. Those folks were just recently, I think you say that. Okay, I like to find any excuse to say it at this point, but they all on March, on May 31, actually just became full time government employees. They shed their SGE special government employee title and now they're here to stay, at least through the end of Doge or the end of the Trump administration. And so these major Doge figures who happen to be these younger engineers are everywhere. I've seen evidence that Luke Ferriter has been everywhere from the Department of Labor to the General Services Administration, just all across government. And that's just a handful of folks. There's probably dozens and dozens of more Doge people who are at agencies like cfpb, of course, which is constantly being killed and then revived again. And then just so many, so, so, so many. I think every agency at this point has at least one or two, and that's including small agencies as well, like the United States Institute for Peace, which is not one that kind of crops up right on your big list of government agencies. But they've been targeted. There are people there who plan to stay at least for quite a while, and they're not leaving anytime soon.

[Sam Seder]

The today or yesterday, the administration sent to Congress a formal request for rescission of funds that have not been spent, that were earmarked by Congress. And it's basically a list of stuff that Doge wanted to cut that has not been spent. So Congress theoretically could essentially rescind that money that has been appropriated but not yet spent yet. And the idea is Russell Vod is going to keep sending these bills if this first one passes in the House. But doge, it feels like even those cuts, like, the amount of effort in the existence of doge, it seems to me at this point, clearly cannot be about what they're cutting from government in terms of just like some type of line item. Like, what is their agenda at this point? Can you. Have you been able to suss out, like, they've got multiple people in every single agency? Is that just because they're looking to cut 10, 20% or whatever it is from there, or is there another agenda that you. You can start to see from your reporting?

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah, I mean, the stated goal, of course, is the fraud, waste and abuse. That's all they've said publicly. But when you look at the decisions that they make and the results of these decisions, I've been talking to federal workers who all of their co workers were fired, and now they've been rehired as federal contractors. They're actual employees of the agency anymore, but still brought on in the same capacity. And so I think the one thing that we're seeing very clearly is that these jobs that are being cut are being given to the private sector in contracting groups like Palantir and also just a variety of others. And so it's becoming. I don't know if it's the stated purpose or the stated goal, but what we're seeing is an increasing privatization of government.

[Sam Seder]

Interesting. And is there other. Are they. Is there. Do you have a sense in terms of like, the, like the idea that they're sort of absconding with data or that they're trying to create a new, some type of IT system that is geared towards. I don't know whether it's maybe, you know, outsourcing or just consolidation or what.

[Emma Vigland]

It's a mess. Every agency, these DOGE folks come in and they have some plan for making things more efficient, oftentimes doing things that these agencies were already doing with experts in the field and then taking credit for it. But any kind of master plan, I like to not give too much credence to because just how chaotic all of this is, has been and because there's so much regulation when it comes to government contracts, the fact that they have to be incredibly competitive. And then also, you know, just the way that you've had so much leadership who have resisted much of doge, and it's blocked a lot of what they, you know, the timelines that they've been pursuing for a lot of these things. And so a master database. When we look at, like, the people who they are looking at as contractors, it is entirely possible that, that this could happen technically. But whether or not that is the big plan, I think the one, you know, the groups that might have a master plan in all of this are probably the contractors themselves and trying to make. Trying to leverage all of this chaos to benefit their profit line.

[Sam Seder]

Is there like, is there any agency that is sort of overseeing the outsourcing of these contracts? I mean, I like it sort of feels like the, you know, the wolf in the henhouse has invited other wolves in. And there's not even that. It's sort of the wild west when it comes to these agencies. It feels like now.

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah, I think a big one is the General Services Administration. One of the things that Doge did when it first started, which at 12:01pm on January 20, I was notified by sources that they were trying to get access to government systems. So right when Trump was inaugurated. Right. That effort to get these systems and get in was very, very quick and turned around very, very quickly. But I don't think that necessarily the way that these systems are working in a way that this permissions have gone out. It's not like a fully thought out process. And I think like you see now with Russell Vought taking over Doge, he is trying to. What I imagine is that Doge was kind of 1.0 of this administration and now we're seeing Vought come in with the brains behind it to try and clean up this chaos and mess.

[Sam Seder]

Is there a sense like, I mean, in the course of your reporting, do you get a sense of that dynamic between. Because I've seen some people characterize characterized. Doge is actually sort of slowing Russell Vaught's role, role, as it were. Like he was ready to come in there, had Project 2025 going and sort of got pushed back in line a little bit by Musk. Musk went in there without having done the sort of background planning that Russell Vogt had because Vote knew where all the landmine were in terms of like what the courts were going to stop from the last time he was in the. And it doesn't feel like Musk did. Do you have any sense of that tension there? Or has it basically been. Vote lost a couple of months, but now he's back on track?

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah. So I think Vote, he. He has this giant ideological mission. I don't necessarily think Elon Musk ascribes to that entire ideological mission, but I do think last year, I think it's an interesting dynamic because last year, in the election year, senior, seeing the Heritage foundation and these big Tech billionaires, whether it's David Sacks or a variety of different folks, Peter Thiel, et cetera, these folks who have cozied up to the Trump administration, it was a. It's basically a happy coincidence that they were both supporting Trump and wanted kind of similar things to happen, but it's not. They aren't approaching things completely identical. And so there have been tension points throughout the entire process.

[Sam Seder]

Let's talk about Palantir and the database that they're supposedly been brought in to, I guess, compile or I don't store or what are they doing?

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah. So the way that this is being approached, I don't think that there's been official discussion about building this kind of master database on everyone, where I can just look up Sam Cedar and get every piece of information about him ever from every government agency, at least just yet. What we have seen is that these DOGE folks at agencies, I think IRS is one of the greatest examples of all of this, where they are bringing DOGE folks in to unify data at a specific agency. This was the stated goal from Sam Korkos, who is a DOGE person at irs. And they staged a hackathon with Palantir in April where they decided to get a bunch of engineers together and create what was essentially called a Mega API that would unify all of this data at irs. And I think what we're going to see and what is technically possible would be to do that at every other agency or every agency that they're interested in doing that with, and then using Palantir Software Foundry, which is a very powerful data analytics tool, to allow all of those different systems at different agencies to talk to one another. At the beginning of the Trump administration, there was a lot of discussion about centralizing data at the GSA in one place. Centralizing data is incredibly, incredibly hard when it comes to field matching and a variety of different things. And so this kind of more federated system with unified databases at different agencies that then can talk to each other, that would probably be the easiest way to accomplish all of this. And it seems as if it's the direction that they're moving into.

[Sam Seder]

Isn't there some type of statutory protection for at least data that is held with the irs? And I would imagine, I mean, there's a reason why these agencies do not share data, and it's not because it's more efficient or they can't do it. It seems to me that it's been like a protection of privacy for. For Americans. I mean, I think, you know, There would be some level of efficiency. I would imagine in some ways there'd be a lot more efficiency if a lot of these programs were universal in many respects and then you wouldn't need such granular data on each person. But aren't there statutory protections there? I mean, is anybody sort of saying, hey, wait a second, what's going on here? Or is someone bringing lawsuits or what's the status of that?

[Emma Vigland]

Sure, yeah, there's been plenty of lawsuits. I think one of the main laws that is being discussed when it comes to all of this alleged, you know, like data compiling is the Privacy Act, a very clear law that says, you know, that data cannot be mixed or shared without special circumstances and discussions. I think in a lot of the agencies where we're seeing Palantir being discussed on being used, there are pre existing contracts there. So IRS had a preexisting contract with Palantir from a couple of years ago that they used for their fraud investigations. And I think what seems to be happening is that it's easier for them to expand those contracts where they're already at, to grow their size and influence in these places is definitely one I'm imagining places like the Department of Energy and places like that that already use Palantir software. And then there's also things that are called. This is getting really weedsy. It's something called interagency agreements where there are these pre existing agreements between agencies like the IRS and the SSA to share data under certain circumstances. And so I think that right now it makes a lot of sense with the agents that they targeted and the pre existing, you know, agreements that were there, that they launched that effort first in these places where it's most easiest and to establish a type of footing.

[Sam Seder]

So if there's already a preexisting agreement, expansion of that agreement is much easier than starting to draft the whole thing and get all this theoretically the stakeholders in on having to deal with. So but what would be the purpose? I mean I can come up with some ideas, but I have a feeling that my ideas about what the purpose of this probably not the same. It's like Palantirs.

[Emma Vigland]

I think the purpose is slowly evolving throughout this administration. Immediately when I started hearing things about folks looking into Palantir and Foundry software, I immediately started thinking like, okay, so what are the Trump administration's priorities right now? What is it? That would be a Doge win? Because Doge, that's a quote that has been said to me so many times that Doge is looking for a win and they're trying to find ways to secure that win. Looking at immigration and a story that I reported a couple months ago about how the system was being used to track and survey migrants. I think they're trying to do smaller test cases first and maybe slowly become a broader network of different systems that talk to one another. And so I don't even know if they have a bigger plan. Right. In this case, it's really, I think right now it's trying to combine data sets from specific agencies to solve specific problems. Right. That the Trump administration has identified and then work from there.

[Sam Seder]

Have you seen any indication that they're using this stuff? I mean, they, you know, we're in the midst of them, of ICE ramping up these raids on different across the country. We know that Kristi Noem and Stephen Miller have said, you know, we want to up this number from whatever 650 detained immigrants detained daily to 3,000. Have you seen any indication. I mean, I would imagine it's difficult from, you know, this is all like sort of like ants on an elephant on some level. But any indication that or pattern in where ICE enforcement is happening, that it is a function of maybe sort of like agencies communicating with each other in a, I guess, you know, for lack of a better word, more efficient way?

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah, I think one of the. It's hard to prove for certain because I don't have access to these systems, but I was told by multiple sources that IRIS data was used in this USCIS system, which, of course is one of the databases that houses a lot of data on immigrants going through the formal immigration process. IRS has some of the most updated information on someone's official place of residence because you have to change that and submit a form every single time you get a new job. And so I can definitely see how those two sets of data. Right. Would be extremely beneficial to the Trump administration. If you're cross referencing immigrants and then trying to find their most recent residential address, that's a very easy way to target those folks. I think one instance that I have, it's been suggested that it's been used Antonio Gracias, who is a close friend of Elon Musk, he is kind of the appointee of the Social Security Administration. And I think he was getting interviewed for the all in podcast, which is that like Silicon Valley billionaire David Sacks, all those guys on there, he was being interviewed by those folks. And he said that at SSA he was able to try and identify people who voted illegally. I had multiple sources at DHS and agencies across that said that there were folks in Doge who were trying to find voter records in Pennsylvania and Florida. Now I don't know for sure. Right. This is kind of circumstantial hearing these multiple things, but there is definitely a lot of things that they're looking at, a lot of wins that they're trying to get. And they're looking for data basically everywhere. One thing that I haven't heard, and I've been surprised that I haven't heard is commercially available data sets. We're not seeing those, those that you can just like buy on basically everyone in the country, if not the world. Right. And that's one thing that I haven't seen yet, but definitely one thing that I'm keeping a very, very close eye on.

[Sam Seder]

And what do you mean by that? That they would start to buy these commercial data sets and use them to cross reference information. They have to, to build out a bigger sort of like field what they know on people or would the sales go the other way?

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah, I mean, it's hard to know. I mean, data brokers sell all kinds of data. This was a big discussion with TikTok, right, when it was why ban TikTok? You know, in the US if China can just like buy US citizen data very easily on the market. And so, yeah, I mean it would be making these very detailed portraits of everyone by combining all of this data. But of course I want to stress that like this is not something that we've seen is actively being pursued, but something that is technically possible. Right. With the technology that they are using.

[Sam Seder]

Is there anything else before we go that you have on your list of things to be looking out for like that you. That, you know, may end up being red flags or stuff that you suspect may be going in certain directions?

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah, I mean, well, I was listening to the show before I joined and I think one thing that you pointed out that we are going to start feeling the effects of all of this soon is 100% true. At the beginning of this administration in Doge, right. Federal workers were the first to be affected by losing their jobs. Now we're seeing immigrants being targeted more and more. But we're also in Social Security. The Social Security Administration has seen a bunch of glitches and problems with their systems and making it nearly impossible for long periods of time for people to access their benefits online. I think that pool of people that this affects is going to continue to grow. One thing, when the CDC was completely gutted, they got rid of the entire team. That has to do with cruise ships and making sure that they dispose of their trash and waste properly. Now, without that group, we could basically just have this summer all these people going on vacations on cruise ships that might just be like total ships filled with garbage and trash. Just crazy stuff that can happen as a result of these cuts. And so I'm looking for more of those things. Right. The effects of all of this.

[Sam Seder]

MECHANICALI we will link to your most recent piece in Wired and to all your pieces there. People can catch up with what Doge is doing, is has been doing and will in the future. It won't be particularly pretty. And like you say, I think we're going to I think we're going to start to feel the effects of this. Sometimes we may not even know it's it's from that, but we're going to start to see it. Thanks so much for your time today. Really appreciate it.

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah, thanks for having me.

[Sam Seder]

All right, folks, we're going to take quick break. When we come back, we're going to be talking to Roberto Camacho. He's journalist from San Diego, who, in writing for Boltz, is reporting on the group that has been essentially organizing to protect undocumented people from ICE out there. You'll recall over the past couple days, we've seen some protests in San Diego as ICE comes in and tries to roll up people there. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back after this. It we are back. Sam Cedar on the Majority Report, Emma Vigland out today. Joining us now, Roberto Camacho, journalist from San Diego, California, reporting on criminal justice reform, immigration, Chicano and Latino issues as well, writing in Bolt. Roberto, welcome to the program.

[Makina Kelly]

Hello, Sam. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be on today.

[Sam Seder]

Let's I want to I want to play a little footage of what we've seen just over I guess it was over the weekend in San Diego. This is ICE agents and I don't know if they're all from ice. They're federal officers. They seem to be recruited from all sorts of different branches of our government having to deploy flashbangs on community members, protecting their neighbors. Pop this up.

[John Morales]

Sam.

[Sam Seder]

And I mean, we could see like they seem dressed and geared up in such a way that they anticipated they were gonna they were gonna get this pushback. Why do you think that is?

[Makina Kelly]

Well, Sam, I think that when it comes down to a lot of this is for shock and awe. It's meant to instill fear into the community and it is meant to overwhelm the community. It's, it's meant to send a message. And it's also, in a certain way, I think, for the federal government to make propaganda so they can facilitate this photo ops, video and whatnot.

[Sam Seder]

Tell me about Union Bell Del Barrio and I, and just give us a sense of the history of this organization and what they've been doing.

[Makina Kelly]

Absolutely, Sam. So Union Del Barrio is a, a pro chicken Chicano Latino advocacy group. It was founded in 1982 in the aftermath of the Chicano civil rights movement. And for the past 40 years they've advocated for Chicano rights, Latino rights, the rights of prisoners, incarcerated youth. And also for the past 30 some years, they've also done these community patrols in some form of fashion, whether that's cop watching, informing the community about the presence of border patrol. And over the past 20 years, obviously ice. And that has only ramped up since its creation in 2003.

[Sam Seder]

What is that? I mean, walk us through, like what their, what their operation is in terms of what they do in that respect, you know, outside of the advocacy and whatnot, but like the, the actual sort of template that they're following. Excuse me.

[Makina Kelly]

So the, the community patrols are all volunteer community patrols that are switched off in various communities across the county. Various communities fall into different jurisdictions. There are some places, like the city of San Diego itself is patrolled by the San Diego pd. But then there are other parts of the county, such as east county, like El Cajon, if you go up to North County Escondido, parts of those are unincorporated which are patrolled by the San Diego Sheriff. And the San Diego Sheriff has vowed to cooperate with ICE and the federal government. And these are also communities that are outside. I think what people would traditionally think of is like immigrant communities, but nonetheless also have very large working class immigrant communities in them. And the goal of these patrols is to go into the communities, look for undercover or ICE vehicles. Normally there's very telltale signs. They normally have blacked out tinted windows. They're normally some kind of a US made car, a Dodge, a Ford, Chevy Durango, SUVs. And there's always somebody in the vehicle too. There's normally, sometimes there'll be like a bars, like a cage. These are telltale signs that the patrols look for. And when they have positively identified that ICE is in the community, they will radio out, they will blast across social media and they will also, in bullhorns, they will announce in the community that there is ICE in the neighborhood.

[Sam Seder]

So if I understand and you write about this in the piece, too. San Diego has. Within the confines of the city limits, the San Diego PD is the primary police force, and they don't have a relationship. They specifically are inhibited from coordinating with ice. So ICE goes to where the sheriffs are responsible, because the sheriff has basically said, I don't care what the city council says, I'm going to cooperate with ice.

[Makina Kelly]

Correct. And also, I just want. I do want to reiterate that even though this county Board of Supervisors, they did vote that they would not be using any kind of county resources to aid or cooperate with federal immigration enforcement, but that doesn't. That hasn't stopped them, though, from also doing raids in the city of San Diego itself. It's just that there is a little bit of confusion across the county because the city, the county Board of Supervisors will say one thing, the San Diego sheriff will say another, and the San Diego sheriff is the one who operates all of the jails within the county. And that's where that conflict has come from.

[Sam Seder]

And so getting back to the actual sort of like, citizen patrols to warn community members of the presence of ice, how do they go on social media and whatnot? The. What. What are the rules of engagement, for lack of a better term that they have, and how do they protect themselves? Like, where is, you know, for the sake of people out there who may want to engage in this in some way or just happen to be, you know, walking around and seeing, you know, a white van with like, that white stuff they put over the glass or. Or whatever, where. Walk us through what the sort of the line is and what you can do and cannot do when you engage with these people.

[John Morales]

Yeah.

[Makina Kelly]

So these are purely observational patrols. Union does not physically interfere or block federal immigration officials. What they will do, however, is they will go up and they will ask them, are you ice? Are you Department of Homeland Security? They will record. They record them. They have dash cams. They have cell phones, too, when they go out and do this a lot of times. And also these are. These patrols are done early in the morning when ICE and immigration is trying to do these raids and catch people early when they're either going to work or when they're asleep, stuff like that. A lot of times ice, they'll. They'll leave when confronted before, like a raid has happened because their covers blown. And a lot of. A lot of this comes to the element of surprise, catching people off guard. And if the whole community is blaring across bullhorns that ISIS in the community, a lot of times they will leave on Their own accord. Not all the time, but oftentimes that happens to be the case. But Union, this is purely just observational. They don't interfere or block federal immigration officers in any way. It's essentially. It's akin to what we call cop watching also.

[Sam Seder]

But you. So you can just to be clear, right? Like, I walk up and we've seen video of like, guys walking up to a van and going, hey, guys, you know, smile. Are you ice? And then they, you know, drive off. They're like, you know, but I could sit there and you're allowed to record. And I'm also allowed to go like, hey, ICE is here, right? As long as I'm like, I'm not obstructing them in any way. I am well within my rights to. You know, it's always good to record this just in case. But I can sit here and yell, ICE is here, everybody. The ice, you know, ICE truck is here. And announce it. Because they don't have the ability to go into somebody's house unless they have a warrant signed by a judge. They'll sometimes, like, just have an empty warrant or one where, you know, they. But it has to be signed by a judge. And so they need these people to be out, like either walking to their car or going to work or getting to work. That's the sort of thing that trips them up. They don't have the time or the inclination to go to a judge and get a warrant because it's just. That's what you do for real criminals as opposed to, like, we're just trying to round up people.

[Makina Kelly]

That's correct. And the thing is that ICE and the federal government very much praise on the ignorance of the public not knowing their rights and how they interact with law enforcement. And I do want to. I do want to drive the point home that the community patrols are only one of several initiatives that Union Del Barrio does. They also do community education, Know youw Rights programs. They facilitate cards literature in both English and Spanish. They hold these events sometimes in public, sometimes in people's homes. Because like we were talking about, sometimes this information is facilitated over. Over social media. But not everyone who's not an English speaker or, you know, is a working class person is on social media like that. So they very much make a point to meet the community where they're at and to inform the community to make sure that the neighborhood knows their rights, knows what they aren't and are not required to do by ice to know that, hey, you need to produce a warrant in order to Come into my home. And that's really the biggest battle is to make sure that the community knows their rights when they're dealing with ICE and other federal immigration agents and people.

[Sam Seder]

You know, they, they, when I starts asking them questions, the thing to ask them is, am I being detained? And if the answer is no, then the thing for you to do is walk away. And if the answer is yes, then the thing for you to do is to say, I exercise my right to stay silent. I want to talk to a lawyer. Don't tell them anything about anything. Don't answer them. You can't be being friendly with them is not going to help you, let's put it that way.

[Makina Kelly]

No. They're not your friends. They are not there to be nice to you. They don't have to tell you the truth. You know, they can lie to you. That's legal for them to do.

[Sam Seder]

They can't misidentify themselves. Right. They can just say. They can say they're police even when they're not necessarily police in the way that we think of police. Right?

[Makina Kelly]

Yes.

[Sam Seder]

What else should folks know? I mean, if a. They want to maybe, maybe they live in an area where there has been a lot of ICE activity and they want to start to like, maybe model these type of things after the Union de barrio or just, you know, want to get more information from, from your reporting. What can people do if that's their interest?

[Makina Kelly]

Yeah, so Union Davario is. They're not just a San Diego, they are also in other cities, Los Angeles, Santa Ana, Irvine. For other places outside of California, I think that people should look to their local advocacy groups, particularly around like Latino advocacy or immigrant rights. I know that depending on where you at, there might be a little bit far and fewer in between than like out here on the west coast and the Southwest. But I think that these, this program, it follows a model which honestly even Union Da Barrio will has said themselves. You know, they modeled this after the cop watching programs that the Black Panthers did. You know, like this isn't, this isn't like something new or like some kind of like revolutionary program. It's something that, you know, people have been doing to protect themselves from law enforcement in this country for the past 50, 60 some odd years. It's just a matter of just, it's organizing. You know, it's not that we don't have the power or the know how, it's just the, it's just the organizing right now. And I think that we have a template, we have a template going back Decades, you know, from various organizations, whether it's union or whether it's the Panthers. And I think that people should. People who want to get involved in their community should look to these models as inspiration. Maybe not the 100% emulate, because I understand that every community is different. There's its various nuances and unique challenges. But I think that these overall templates provide a pretty good roadmap for how people can adapt this to protect their communities and meet the needs of their communities, whether they might be.

[Sam Seder]

And I would imagine too, like, if you're involved in going up to ICE, that is like sort of on a stakeout in a neighborhood and they leave, that's costing them half a day. And that's just a half a day where they're not going to be able to, you know, round people up and try and pursue their quota. They're not going to arrest the mom, or they're not going to arrest the dad, or they're not going to arrest the kid. And, you know, there's. There is like, you know, a finite period of time that they're going to be able to get away with this. It seems to me maybe four years, maybe it's two years, years, maybe, maybe less. But if you can delay them a half a day, you've delayed them a half a day.

[Makina Kelly]

If I can speak, if I could editorialize just a little bit anecdotally, I do think that this particular instance in San Diego was notable, and I think it's caught the attention not just here locally, but nationwide. But I think is the community response to the neighborhood driving ICE out is very. It's very striking because the neighborhood that this happened in, south park, it is not a neighborhood in San Diego that we would normally consider a working class or like a heavily. A high immigrant population. You know, it's a very upper class, what we would call gentrified neighborhood. But I think that the response that we are seeing is showing that public opinion of ICE is starting to shift. And it's not just shifting amongst Latinos or other communities of color or even just in the organizer community. There's an overall shift in just the average layperson. And I think that this response here in San Diego is potential. Potential sign that this is happening not just here locally, but across the country as well.

[Sam Seder]

That's great. Roberto Camacho, we will link to your piece in Bolt magazine. Thanks so much for your time today. Really appreciate it so much.

[Makina Kelly]

Sam, It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you.

[Sam Seder]

All right, folks, gonna wrap things up for the free half of the show. Someone on the image who was. Was Brooklyn sue pointed me to stop ice.net stop ice.net. you can sign up, you can send reports. You know, some of these. Some of these are, you know, just possible sightings, but worth getting on there, checking it out. If you. Particularly if you live in an area where there's been some ice activity.

[John Morales]

I just want to play this real quick. This is Minneapolis yesterday, where the similar. Similar sort of dynamic happened, where the community really turned out raining to support folks, and here they are shouting at ice.

[Sam Seder]

That's fantastic. And that's in Minneapolis. People are very polite there.

[John Morales]

The Minnesota nice, right?

[Sam Seder]

Isn't that Minnesota nice? And they're sitting there swearing at these people.

[John Morales]

Yeah. And Omar Fatteh, who's running for mayor, turned up on the scene. A person who didn't is Jacob Fry, who was trying to deal with all this through press releases.

[Sam Seder]

So I'm sure he was very busy.

[John Morales]

Different types of leadership. I guess we need all types.

[Sam Seder]

I want to start seeing. I want to start seeing this type of stuff happening in Worcester and around in Massachusetts. I don't know how many T shirts we have to give out.

[John Morales]

I mean, that's Virgona. Here's Edge earlier. This is from @t a y l r. Who is on the scene. They're posting. Folks. Just imagine these guys showing up, like, dressed like they're about to invade the West.

[Sam Seder]

It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Like, what is like the mentality, dude, get a job and like, you know, go work, you know, provide security for the local Walmart or something. Right? You really want to dress up, but this is just pathetic.

[John Morales]

Call of Duty taco stand says big tacos, not walls. And it's raining hard, too.

[Sam Seder]

I mean, can you imagine just the mentality of these ice people who come home and they take their. Their holster off and put their gun down. They put their, you know, M16 aside and just be like, rolled up. A guy who was the. The sous chef, you know, this guy. This. This guy was. Was the one who was, you know, responsible for putting the sauces out, and I had to take him out today.

[John Morales]

Exactly.

[Sam Seder]

We.

[John Morales]

We did reconnaissance around the back where they take the garbage out.

[Sam Seder]

I guess we. We won't have to worry about that guy putting stuff into the dumpster again.

[John Morales]

Big, tough John Waynes.

[Sam Seder]

Looks like there's going to be a couple less rhododendrons planted now that I've rolled up some of these guys working on this landscaping crew. One less, two by Four. That's gonna get nailed.

[John Morales]

There's another video where people were putting trash cans in front of the vehicles, trying to stop them. And one of the guys said, that's your city. And the person said, yeah, get the fuck out of it.

[Sam Seder]

God, it's so gross. And just scroll down to see this other picture. Like, this guy, like, sheriff here. Like, why are they, like, you know, honestly, wearing masks?

[John Morales]

These are the type of guys that live.

[Sam Seder]

I understand, like, how much these people were. Were. Were chastising protesters of a genocide for wearing masks because those protesters had no guns, no state authority, no protection of the law. The jobs can be taken away by very, very powerful people. Their diplomas can be taken away. They can be kept from graduating. Meanwhile, these sheriffs or whatever, you know, however they're deputized and, you know, like, in the best case scenario, these guys are like, it's. I have to do this. It's my job. I want to just, like, I'm embarrassed by it. And so I am wearing this mask. Write an op ed. An anonymous op ed. How about that, too?

[John Morales]

Learn to code.

[Sam Seder]

All right, we're going to take a break if you want to support this program. City lifestyle. Regarding the Minneapolis raids, it was due to serve warrants on the taco shops. The Bloomington location didn't get the militarized police. My question is why HSI is involved and why they came in military gear to serve a warrant on the shop.

[John Morales]

I think Roberto had it right that this is a shock enough they are just running. It's like we're Baghdad.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah. And it also makes these guys feel bigger about themselves too.

[John Morales]

Yeah. Load up.

[Sam Seder]

Cool. I look in this. Look how cool I look at this vest.

[John Morales]

So in case they throw what, avocado at me.

[Sam Seder]

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[John Morales]

Yeah, it's being sarcastic.

[Sam Seder]

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[John Morales]

Yeah. Courtney Rollins and Alex Jordan of Quincy Institute's Always at War show, which is new on YouTube, came to talk about that. And we talked about Zoran's grocery Bill, which public groceries endeavor, which draws an interesting critique from Defenders of capitalism, which is actually the margins in groceries are only 3%. So it's not like they're being really. The profiteers are really sucking a lot out. And actually that's the point because they're only 3% and they don't cover a majority of people and there's massive problems. So capitalists can't actually provide groceries to people. And Zoran has an idea of how to do that. So grocery good to try. It's word. We touched on an old fashioned word last night. And also Alex Jones caping for Palantir. Check that out. Patreon.com left record.

[Sam Seder]

Oh, we got that clip. We'll play that. Emma's chin pimple says, have you seen the reels on social media where it's revealed that the uniforms in official patches that ICE personal wear can be easily purchased on Amazon. The reels show clips of these Taco Gestapo chubbs wearing identical gear to what's available to civilians online.

[John Morales]

There's been somebody charged woman arrested after impersonating ICE agent. Like this is already happening.

[Sam Seder]

Eric in Poland. Sam, you're so right about ICE agents and even local law enforcement fantasizing and cosplaying as military special forces. Thirty years ago, the average cop had just a bulletproof vest and a sidearm. Now they all have full battle rattle armor, helmets, M4 with CCO Sidearm, but of course no taser because using non lethal force is woke.

[John Morales]

Not, you know, being in constant fear for your life that you're about to take someone else's is woke.

[Sam Seder]

Okay, headed to Fun Half. Three months from now, six months from now, nine months from now. And I don't think it's going to be the same as it looks like in six months from now. And I don't know if it's necessarily going to be better six months from now than it is three months from now. But I think around 18 months out, we're going to look back and go like, wow. What? What is that going on? It's nuts. Wait a second. Hold on. Hold on for a second. Emma, welcome to the program.

[Emma Vigland]

A Fun Half.

[Sam Seder]

Matt. Fun. What is up everyone? Fun Path. No me ke.

[Emma Vigland]

You did it.

[Sam Seder]

Fun Path.

[Emma Vigland]

Let's go, Brandon.

[Sam Seder]

Let's go, Brandon. Fun Path. Bradley, you want to say hello?

[John Morales]

Sorry to disappoint everyone. I'm just a random guy.

[Sam Seder]

It's all the boys today.

[Emma Vigland]

Fundamentally false. No, I'm sorry, women's talking for a.

[Sam Seder]

Second and let me finish. Where is this coming from, dude? But dude, you want to smoke this 7A yes. Yes. Is this me?

[Makina Kelly]

Is it me?

[Sam Seder]

It is you.

[Makina Kelly]

Is this me?

[Emma Vigland]

Hello?

[Makina Kelly]

It's me.

[Sam Seder]

I think it is you. Who is, you know, sound. Every single freaking day. What's on your mind?

[Emma Vigland]

Sports.

[Roberto Camacho]

We can discuss free markets and we can discuss capitalism.

[Emma Vigland]

I'm gonna go snow white.

[Sam Seder]

Libertarians. They're so stupid. Though common sense says of course.

[Emma Vigland]

Gobbledygook.

[Sam Seder]

We nailed him.

[Emma Vigland]

So what's 79 plus 21?

[Sam Seder]

Challenge.

[Roberto Camacho]

Matt, I'm positively quivering.

[Sam Seder]

I believe 96. I want to say. 8, 5, 7, 2, 1 0, 3, 5, 5, 0, 11 half.

[John Morales]

3, 8, 9, 11.

[Emma Vigland]

For instance, $3,400. $1,900. 5, 4.

[Sam Seder]

$3 trillion.

[Roberto Camacho]

Sold.

[Sam Seder]

It's a zero sum game, actually.

[Emma Vigland]

You're making me think less.

[Sam Seder]

But. But let me say this.

[Emma Vigland]

You call it satire.

[Makina Kelly]

Sam goes.

[Sam Seder]

It's satire on top of it all. My favorite part about you is just like every day, all day, like, without a doubt. Hey, buddy. We see you. All right, folks, folks, folks.

[Emma Vigland]

It's just the week being weeded out, obviously.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah. Sun's out, guns out. I. I don't know.

[Emma Vigland]

But you should know.

[Sam Seder]

People just don't.

[John Morales]

Like to entertain ideas.

[Sam Seder]

Anyway, I have a question. Who cares?

[John Morales]

Our chat is enabled, folks.

[Sam Seder]

I love it.

[Emma Vigland]

I do love that.

[Sam Seder]

Gotta jump. Gotta be quick. I gotta jump.

[Makina Kelly]

I'm losing it, bro.

[Sam Seder]

2 o' clock, we're already late, and the guy's being a dick. So screw him. Sent to a gulag.

[Emma Vigland]

Outrageous.

[Sam Seder]

Like, what is wrong with you?

[Makina Kelly]

Love you.

[Sam Seder]

Bye. Love you.

[Emma Vigland]

Bye.

[Sam Seder]

Bye.