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Donald Trump
The Majority Report with Sam Cedar.
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Sam Cedar
It is Tuesday, December 23, 2025. My name is Emma Vigeland in for Sam Cedar and this is the five time award winning Majority Report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, Downtown Brooklyn, USA. The last live show of 2025 folks. And it's just myself and Matt today having some fun on the program today. A second batch of Epstein files have been released, then many deleted related to Trump himself. More on that in just a minute. The DOJ is basically acting like Trump's personal law firm, adding a disclaimer to the press release attempting to exonerate him in the public's eyes. Despite Barry Weiss's efforts to kill the story. The 60 Minute Seacot segment was leaked online thanks to Canada.
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Matt
Whoopsie had already been distributed.
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Sam Cedar
Yes, maybe. What's your job clown show operations here. Unbelievable. The Trump administration will start wage garnishment for people defaulting on their student loans starting in January. That's the right wing populism that we've been hearing all about, right Matt? Trump's DOJ sues the Washington D.C. police over the district's AR15 ban. You know, also because of the law and order that they care so much about. 21 state and district attorneys general file a lawsuit against Russ Vogt for his dismantling of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. A judge extends an order prohibiting the Trump administration from re incarcerating Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who he says I am okay being deported to Costa Rica, but these sadists want to deport him to Africa because he embarrassed them. Greta Thunberg is arrested in London for holding a sign supporting Palestine action hunger strikers. Israel kills at least 10 more people in Gaza City. Its nearly 900th violation of the so called ceasefire from October 10th. 50 Democrats call on Trump to quote, exert maximum diplomatic pressure to stop Israel's repeated violations. And lastly, centrist Democrats get squeamish as Pramila Jayapal's renewed efforts to whip votes for Medicare for All pick up in the House all this and more on today's Majority report. As I mentioned, the last majority report of the year, we're doing a bit of a casual show today. It's just myself and Matt.
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Matt
Hello, skeleton crew.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah. And we figured, well we might reach out to a guest or maybe we'll just kind of chat and wrap up the news of the year. There's also a lot of news because of this Epstein dump and the 60 Minute story.
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Matt
Are you still talking about that. Yeah.
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Sam Cedar
And discussed for years, isn't it? I do think it's interesting that even though they were supposed to release all of the files by this deadline and have violated the statute, they're seemingly like the files related to Trump. The fact that that was released last night, the second batch, it being closer to Christmas, that's the kind of thing where like you dump bad news, where people aren't paying attention as much. But I just.
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Matt
That's the theory. But I think I agree, it outdated.
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Sam Cedar
Everyone's on their phone. You think people are putting their phones away on Christmas? I mean, a lot of this happened.
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Matt
Over the 4th of July because I was home then too. But that just means you're home and you can talk about it with your family.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah, I think, I mean, perhaps it's a media PR strategy, but I don't necessarily know if it meets the social.
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Matt
Media diminishing returns on that.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah, I would agree. And so some of these documents were available on the DOJ website and then around 8pm it appears that they were taken down. The Washington Post got the full set of files and has some, you know, really, it has damning things in it about Donald Trump. Some of these documents contain very interesting information about Epstein's death as well as Trump's many flights with Epstein. And the prosecutors discovered that there were more flights than previously known. But let's read their reporting here. Three days after releasing a large tranche of Jeffrey Epstein documents that contained few mentions of President Donald Trump, the Justice Department disclosed thousands more files that included wide ranging references to the President. The documents show that a subpoena was sent to Mar a Lago in 2021 for records that pertain to the government's case against Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's accomplice in sex trafficking. They include notes from an assistant U.S. attorney in New York about the number of times Trump flew on Epstein's plane, including one flight that included just Trump, Epstein and a 20 year old woman, according to the notes. So that means that in 2021, the Trump administrator, Trump received a subpoena because we know that Virginia Giuffre, who sadly passed away, has said that that's basically where she was kidnapped, trafficked, was at Mar A Lago. So we don't know if that's what that's exactly pertaining to, but it could be. The newly released documents also include several tips that were collected by the FBI about Trump's involvement with Epstein and parties at their properties in the early 2000s. The documents do not show whether any Follow up information took place or investigations took place rather, or whether any of the tips were corroborated.
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Matt
That's a big question. I looking at the FBI, and I'd like to see, like our folks like Khanna, who's been very good on this. What are we going to do about this FBI?
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Sam Cedar
Exactly.
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Matt
That sat on this and could have stepped in in the 90s.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah. I think we know some of the theories about why that's not the case. Both protecting the wealthy and powerful, but also his incredibly likely association with both US And Israeli intelligence agencies.
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Matt
Better clean it up.
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Sam Cedar
In a statement Tuesday morning, the Justice Department said some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made against President Trump that it characterized as unfounded and false. It's right there. Next paragraph, from where we were reading. That's all right. Statement Tuesday morning there. But that's amazing. That's the Department of Justice, as I mentioned, acting as Trump's law firm. Perhaps they edited this. They must have edited it. But that was exactly what the release said. Let's go to this part. Epstein, a wealthy financier and convicted sex offender, died in 2019 while in federal custody awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges. His death was ruled a suicide. This part is like, perhaps, in my view, the most incredible revelation. The files include correspondence among prison officials about Epstein's psychological assessments, with discussions about holding him in a special housing unit until two weeks, about two weeks before he died. We have supporting memorandums from the responding officers who indicated they observed inmate Epstein with a makeshift noose around his neck. One of the emails stated at one point. The documents indicate prison officials planned to house Epstein in a cell with Cesar Sayoc, a fanatical supporter of Trump's who in 2019 was sentenced to 20 years in prison after he mailed explosive devices to prominent Democrats and media figures. Let's sit with that for a second.
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Matt
Yeah, can we just meditate on that for a little bit? I mean, that's the ball game.
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Sam Cedar
That's the ball game in my view. I mean, let alone what we know already, which is that the Wired reporting on the metadata of the footage that was released that was supposedly of Epstein's cell, or was at least in the vicinity of Epstein's cell, had multiple minutes taken out of it. They called it unedited footage, released it to the public. Wired did an analysis of it forensically and found that it actually really wasn't that hard to figure out that they'd edited out multiple minutes in Adobe. And now we have the documents showing or Indicating that prison officials wanted to house Epstein with a fanatical supporter of Donald Trump who I'd imagine was quite involved in something like QAnon, where Jeffrey Epstein was a central figure in the same cell as a guy that would be the most likely to take somebody out. But that might have been a little bit messy. Right. Just to have a supporter do it.
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Matt
Yeah. A little bit too on the nose. But let's just dwell on this Bureau of Prisons thing because frankly, it looks to me like a den of thieves that needs to be raided because here is Todd Blanche with Kristen Welker this weekend on Meet the Press. And this was just an interesting thing of me as somebody who likes to think we have a democracy and likes to have elected leaders in charge of, like, things like prisons, you know, caging of humanity. Here's what she was asked. This is a little exchange on this Bureau of Prisons that wanted to put Cesar Siak in with Epstein.
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Sam Cedar
Couple more and we're almost out of time. I do want to ask you about Ghislaine Maxwell, who was, of course, convicted in 2021 for her role in helping Jeffrey Epstein traffic his victims. In July, you interviewed her in Florida, where she was serving a 20 year sentence in federal prison. Just a week later, Maxwell was moved to a more permissive prison camp in Texas. Why was she moved just days after you interviewed her, Mr. Blanch?
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Matt
So that's a Bureau of Prison Security issue that, that I will not talk about.
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Sam Cedar
Did you have anything to do with it? Did you have anything to do with it?
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Donald Trump
Let me finish.
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Matt
First of all, I am responsible for the Bureau of Prisons. So every decision that they make lands on my desk to the extent it needs to. But just let me talk about the security issue at the time. I'm not gonna talk about it. You don't get to know.
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Sam Cedar
You don't get to know.
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Matt
Apparently we're gonna put maybe a guy that. Who is a fanatical, violent Trump supporter in with a guy that would. How it really benefit Trump if he died completely put him in the same cell. I mean, what are we doing here?
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Sam Cedar
And still the Wired story I can't get over. It should be mentioned every time. It should be mentioned every time. It's quite clear for people that don't know Trump was president when Epstein supposedly killed himself in his cell, that was, I think, one of the biggest revelations from this dump. Here's more. This is on the flight records with Trump. The new documents at times provide a window onto what the federal, what federal prosecutors had been examining as well as their awareness of ties that Epstein had with Trump. In January 2020, during Trump's first term. For example, an assistant U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York wrote an internal email about a flight. A review of flight records the day before as part of the government's case against Maxwell, who was convicted in 2021 of sex trafficking. For your situational awareness, wanted to let you know that the flight records we received yesterday reflect that Donald Trump traveled on Epstein's private jet many more times than previously had been reported or that we were aware, including during the period we would expect to charge in a Maxwell case. The email states there were at least eight flights, the prosecutor wrote, between 1993 and 1996 in which Trump was a passenger. On at least four of those flights, Maxwell was also present. In some cases, the prosecutor wrote, there were passengers who could be called as possible witness in a case against Maxwell. There you go. And so I think I should pardon her. Yeah, right. I wish her well. I wish her well.
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Matt
I'm actually perfectly placed to know that everything on those planes was totally fine.
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Sam Cedar
And here's another horrific file. This is an image of a letter that Jeffrey Epstein wrote to convicted sex offender Larry Nassar, who, for people that do not know, was a longtime doctor for the United States Gymnastics Team and at Michigan State. And he is serving a multi, multi decade sentence right now over child porn charges. Many women, girls, like hundreds, at least over 100, say that he sexually abused them. This is a letter, apparently, that he wrote Epstein wrote to Larry Nassar. The text is in the tweet, if you don't mind, because I just can't read this pedo's cursive, but it was returned to the prison because he wrote it. Or it was sent out around the same time that Epstein died. Two files released this morning. Evan Hill, the Washington Post, writes by the doj, show what appears to be a letter Epstein wrote to convicted sex offender Larry Nassar that was returned to sender after Epstein's death and found in the jail mailroom. The file shows the envelope front and the letter's contents. In the letter, Epstein writes, our president also shares our love of young, nubile girls. When a young beauty walked by, he loved to grab snatch, whereas we ended up snatching grub in the mess halls of the system. Life is unfair. Oh, gosh, my heart bleeds for you serial predators. I mean, the fact that he found common cause and referred to Trump as our president, it's interesting that he said such a thing.
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Matt
I mean, look at Google Trump 2006, where he's. There's like a video I saw of a young woman ask him a question, and he doesn't even listen to what she says. He invites her on stage, gives her a hug and says, you're hired.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah.
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Matt
And says, that gets me into trouble. I'm like an alcoholic.
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Sam Cedar
Here's another one from number three here. This is a transcript of an interview with a limousine driver and he's speaking about an unnamed victim, it appears, or woman, girl, we don't know, but their name is redacted. Basically, this limousine driver says that they overheard Trump talking about Jeffrey while on the phone and made references to, quote, abusing some girl. The redacted name was unsure who he was talking to, nor who he was referencing. As Blank talked about his time. Meeting. Meeting Donald Trump, Blank immediately. It's hard to say. Blank demeanor went stone cold. It seems like this is the limousine driver recounting their conversation with someone else. Demeanor went stone cold. As Blank said, he raped me. Someone else said, what? As Blank replied, donald J. Trump had raped her along with Jeffrey Epstein. And then later, this person that they're referring to, the limousine driver, says that she was found with her head blown off and there was no way it was a suicide, according to the opinion of this person. There's more. But let's go to Trump last night, who was having a press conference about the most important issue in America right now, which is that Trump has commissioned a bunch of new warships for the Navy that he calls a golden fleet, and they will be named Trump class battleships. You can't afford groceries and Christmas presents right now, but at least we have this. And of course, the ballroom, which I know is keeping our nation together right now. In this press conference, he's asked about the Epstein files and he just has a lot of empathy for the people who are being implicated.
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Donald Trump
We actually threw him out. But no, I don't like the pictures of Bill Clinton being shown. I don't like the pictures of other people being shown. I think it's a terrible thing. I think Bill Clinton's a big boy, he can handle it. But you probably have pictures being exposed of other people that innocently met Jeffrey Epstein years ago, many years ago, and they're, you know, highly respected bankers and lawyers and others. And they'll end up. Yep, because of guys like Massey, who's a real low life, whose polls are down to about 9%, by the way, in the great state of Kentucky.
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Sam Cedar
That is not true.
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Matt
Normal thing to be talking about polling, even if that was True, Right. In the context of what you're implicated in, sir.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah.
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Donald Trump
Look at Kentucky. Kentucky is such a.
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Sam Cedar
No, no, keep going. Actually, there's more. There's more.
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Donald Trump
Great place, but I don't know. They've got a. A couple of people on there that are very strange in terms of leadership. But Massie's a loser and he likes it and that he works with the Democrats. He's just being used by the Democrats. Because what this whole thing is with Epstein is a way of trying to deflect from the tremendous success that the Republican Party has. Like, for instance, today we're building the biggest ships in the world, most powerful ships in the world. And they're asking me questions about Jeffrey Epstein. I thought that was finished. I believe they gave over 100,000 pages of documents. And there is tremendous backlash. It's an interesting question because a lot of people are very angry that pictures are being released of other people that really had nothing to do with Epstein, but they're in a picture with him because he was at a party, and you ruin a reputation of somebody. So a lot of people are very angry that this continues. A lot of Republicans are angry because. Because of the fact that it's just used to deflect against a tremendous success. Look, we have eight.
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Sam Cedar
I just think it's interesting when he talks about who's angry here. A lot of Republicans are angry. Well, not the base. You might be referring to the Republican lawmakers who, that very. Thomas Massie referenced their donors recently and has basically said that that is who is being protected here. Political donors and wealthy, connected people who have associations with Jeffrey Epstein that don't want this to come out. And Trump is expressing sympathy, as he does with the wealthy and the powerful, because that's literally all he's known since he came out of the womb with, you know, a golden spoon in his mouth. And he is the. The oligarch identifier. That is who he is. He does not care about regular people. And it's the greatest fraud that he's perpetrated that he has convinced certain people.
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Matt
That he does Batya Unger, Sargon talk acting like he's a working class Tribune. He's like literally saying it's the powerful.
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Sam Cedar
Bankers and lawyers, highly respected people like bankers.
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Matt
Think of the reputations of the bankers and the lawyers that just happened. They had nothing to do with him, except they're in pictures with him at.
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Sam Cedar
Parties also, and presidents like me. I just thought it was amazing that he expressed sympathy for Bill Clinton because they're in the same boat. Do you remember a few months ago when Hillary Clinton was praising Donald Trump? It might have been on foreign policy or something to that, to that effect. And I remember thinking at the time with this Epstein thing bubbling, I wonder if there are like she is making efforts despite like little detente. Right. I mean, God, the way that you see powerful people kowtow to Trump when they can try to. When they need something from him. I mean the infamous one is Ted Cruz after Trump called his wife ugly and did a side by side post of her and Melania and said his dad killed JFK. Just a few months later he was Mr. Cuck Boy doing phone banking for Donald Trump to have that be full circle with the Clintons after everything he said about Hillary Clinton and how vicious that campaign was and felt at the time. Well, look at this. Now he's praising Bill Clinton or at the very least saying he doesn't feel good about seeing these images out there because he sees himself in him. Like he's genuinely empathizing for maybe the only time in his life they got.
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Matt
Cut for literally the same thing because.
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Sam Cedar
They'Re in the same boat of being elite associates of Jeffrey Epstein. God, I really feel bad for him.
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Matt
Yeah, we had nothing to do with him. Why does Jeffrey keep pictures of you all like splashed all over his desk?
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Sam Cedar
Yes, I mean that you resaw I'm sure in the release of the files. That blue dress painting that you talk about all the time for people that don't know Jeffrey Epstein had an image of Bill Clinton in the blue dress, the infamous one from the Monica Lewinsky scandal which by the way Bill Clinton completely was a horrific. The Clintons were horrific to Lewinsky.
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Matt
Bill Clinton was always a liability as regards to his libido.
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Sam Cedar
And you can read some of what Ryan Grim has reported that it appears that Israeli intelligence knew about Lewinsky. How did they prior to that, prior to it coming out as you wonder.
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Matt
Who maybe told them, was it maybe a close associate of Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, who of course Bill Clinton would talk about. Do you think they would. Oh yeah. I'm not going to mention I'm screwing my intern to the guy that I hang out with and like swim around pool underground or mention it or acted.
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Sam Cedar
Or we know that they Israel spies on the United States but I'm saying.
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Matt
Like that could have been the spy Epstein himself.
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Sam Cedar
Exactly right.
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Matt
True. And he's, and also he's given up the game as regards to their little strategy with like the get all the pictures out there of the celebrities from the 90s. Yeah, he's just acknowledging that like, well, you get all these people with innocence. So what, what he's saying is that my people decided to look for all these different pictures of people just that happened to be there and put those up front and to make sure that people get that message. Like, oh, this is just people with Epstein sinks. No, there is evidence of a vast.
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Sam Cedar
Criminal network here, 100%. And your point always has been about that blue dress painting that that is like an example of him kind of flexing on the leverage that he has over the President of the United States. Dark stuff here, folks.
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Matt
Merry Christmas.
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Sam Cedar
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It ended up leaking because the Canadian affiliate had already been sent the full segment. This is how close this segment was to airing. And let's actually back up to Friday here because this Trump did this speech in. Do we have that? Yes, Trump did this speech in North Carolina and this was supposed supposed to be about the economy. We'll play another clip later of him completely going off track as he tends to do. But this is the timing of how this went down. So on Friday at this, at this rally, Trump called out CBS and criticize them. We should note that CBS desperately or now the parent company Paramount Skydance, which was the merger was approved by the Trump administration. They are trying to buy Warner Brothers and they will do anything to achieve that, including trampling all over the the long history of CBS News as a trusted outlet of reporting. I mean, at least within the context of the mainstream press destroying, I mean.
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Matt
We talked about with that movie the Insider that Sam just can't remember that Al Pacino's in and needs to mention Russell Crowe. But like people should watch that movie. It's the exact thing about the exact same media property in 60 minutes and about how large powerful interests conspire to kill Stories.
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Sam Cedar
They're just doing it so brazenly here. It's, it's really obvious. And it's also not necessarily, like, clear in terms of the, the propaganda value that it's even actually creating.
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Matt
Like, yeah, the cigarette guys are like, you guys have been a little bit.
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Sam Cedar
Right.
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Matt
Obvious about this.
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Sam Cedar
The views of that Erica Kirk town hall were not what they anticipated. They're doing like these debates between. Barry Weiss is hosting the town hall of that guy. That.
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Matt
Jubilees.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah, basically Jubilees, but way more boring on cbs. And all of these kind of niche center. Right. Usually Zionist figures that have no real. Right. Steven Pinker, by the way, isn't she doing that over the weekend? Isn't that in the cards? Steven Pinker was announced just in the Epstein files. Yeah. As a part of whatever panel she's doing. Nobody wants this, but it's, it's useful for them to have this property at the very least. Like, I mean, to, to, to catch and kill things.
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Matt
Yeah.
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Sam Cedar
But, yeah, overall, right now, the North Star for this corporation is getting this merger approved. So when Trump says something like this, the rally, they listen and then tell Barry Weiss to listen.
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Donald Trump
They don't scream. But NBC is really bad. And CBS. I mean, I love the new owners of CBS. Something happens to them, though. 60 Minutes has treated me worse under the new ownership than. They just keep treating me. They just keep hitting me. It's crazy. And then you have Marjorie, and then.
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Sam Cedar
We have Marjorie Taylor Brown just whining. But. And that's when he says they're treating me worse than the previous one. He knows that's not true.
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Matt
Something happens to them, though. I like them, but what's going on beneath them.
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Sam Cedar
He's trying to get them to do what he wants. If they want this merger approved. And Kushner had joined the rival bit at one point and. And then left. And so the lane is sort of clear right now for this massive corporate media consolidation. And as a reminder, the correspondent Sharon Alfonsi on this piece had written to the staff, and that was leaked to the Times. We read that yesterday basically saying that this was not an editorial decision, this was a political decision. And so that's what that means. That's when you can read between the lines there. That's what they're talking about.
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Matt
Yeah, it's a big fib that it's anything other than a political decision. And you can get a more clear answer from Katie Miller about what's going on, which is they're being mean to Trump than you can from Barry Weiss. Who's just a liar. And every journalist who doesn't know that we see you going along with it or even suspending judgment for a second on what's going on here is guilty of one of the most heinous, of collaborating with one of the most heinous assaults on the American's ability to understand reality that I've seen in the probably since the Iraq war, maybe.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah. Let's just bring up five before we play a little of the audio of this. But Bari Weiss, then she did this without kind of unilaterally, without speaking to them first. That was part of what the correspondent was saying to the rest of the staff. But this is how she addressed them on Sunday when this was officially polled. Hi, all. I'm writing with specific guidance on what I'd like for us to do in advance of the Seekot story. I know you'd all like to see this run as soon as possible. I feel the same way. No, but if we run the piece as is, we'd be doing our viewers a disservice. These are her bullet points. Last month, many outlets, most notably the New York Times, exposed the horrific conditions at seacot. Our story presents more of these powerful testimonies, blah, blah, blah. But if we're going to run another story about a topic that has by now been much covered, we need to advance it. Among the ways to do so, does anyone in the administration or anyone prominent who defended the use of the Alien Enemies act now regard it in light of what these Venezuelans endured at seacot? That's a question I'd like to see asked and answered. Okay, so let's address this off the rip the, the you'll hear it in or we won't maybe won't play this part. But at the end of this segment, they say that the Department of Homeland Security declined their request for an interview and they referred all of the questions about CCOT to the El Salvador government. So this is a tactic that they're using that Bari Weiss is being intentionally obtuse about. If they don't comment on the story, you can't run it? No, they this is like every journalistic practice that I've been aware of in my time in this industry is that depending on the urgency of the story, you request for comment and you give them some sort of length or deadline to reply by. And if they don't reply by that the story will include. They did not reply for our request for comment. Exactly. Everybody's read an article that says that.
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Matt
That is a message in and of itself.
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Sam Cedar
Exactly, exactly. You give people an opportunity to comment and. And then if they don't, you run the story anyway. That's how every article, every journalistic piece has been basically conducted, at least in terms of the best practices on that front. And she's claiming that there's nothing new in this piece. That's also not true. They interview new individuals. Firsthand accounts of what they experienced in ckot in the 60 Minutes piece, and so. And Barry Weiss wouldn't want to be redundant. Right. Scroll to the dozens and dozens of clips and segments and retreads about the frickin Erica Kirk interview. Okay. Her second bullet point. At present, we do not present the administration's argument for why it sent 252 Venezuelans to Seekat. What we have is Caroline Levitt's soundbite claiming that they are evildoers in America, rapists, murderers, et cetera. But there isn't much more to ask in light of the torture that we are revealing. Tom Holman and Stephen Miller don't tend to be shy. I realize we emailed the DHS box, but we need to push much harder to get these principles on the record. Why?
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Matt
Yeah, exactly. That. This is. It's crazy how thin this is. This is just bullshit. Like, no, if they don't respond, you're not a small little, like, outlet. You are 60 minutes. Like, maybe the number one name in television news of, like, the past few decades. If they know who you are, they know what a request for A comment from 60 Minutes is.
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Sam Cedar
Yep. Yeah. She says basically the data is incomplete. About. They said that eight. We say that only eight of those 252 have been sentenced in America for violent offenses. But what about charged? Who cares? Secretary Noem's trip to Seekat. We were blah, blah, blah, with no comment from her and her staff about what her goal on that trip was or what she saw there or if she has concerns about the treatment of Dayton. So all of this is working backwards. Like, we are not humanizing or we are not presenting the perspective of Kristi Noeman, Stephen Miller accurately and the administration. And they won't respond to us for some reason. But let's, like, let's find their side of the story as their side of the story as they turn their back to us. And then this part is really egregious. We need to do a better job of explaining the legal rationale by which the administration detained and deported these 252 Venezuelans to Seekat. It's not as simple as Trump invoking the Alien Enemies act and being able to deport them immediately. And that isn't the administration's argument. The admin has argued in court that detainees are due judicial review. And we should explain this with a voice arguing that Trump is exceeding his authority under the relevant statute. And another argument that he's operating within the bounds of his authority. There's a genuine debate here. If we cut down Kristi Noem analysis, we'd have the time. Now there's actually no genuine debate here. As Aaron Reichland Melnick of the American Immigration Council points out, this is complete nonsense. The Supreme Court already held nine to zero. Nine to zero. Yes, we're including Clarence Thomas. Yes, we're including Brett Kavanaugh. Nine to zero that the process used to send people to seekot violated due process. There wasn't even a single dissent. Weiss is making up a debate that has already been settled. And is that not a metaphor for Bari Weiss's entire career?
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Matt
Exactly.
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Sam Cedar
It's her job making up, creating the notion of debate or both fetishizing it and then also having the debates be between, I don't know, like very, very narrow, specific lines to pretend that that is the breadth of debate she is meant to manufacture factor consent around a very, very small set of center right ideas and imperialist Zionist ideas that are. That, that are becoming out of fashion. So like the. She is meant to be a bulwark and she's a defensive hire as the reality of the world comes crashing down and is influencing coverage. She is there to provide alternative facts and alternative debate.
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Matt
It's not a coincidence that somebody who vociferously supports Israel and turns a blind eye to the massive caging of humanity in that part of the world would want to hear from both sides more thoroughly about what's going on in El Salvador. This is just what that ideology is. And it's no surprise that billionaires would want to use people like that to help control everybody and keep them all in line and also to keep these industries again, massive caging of humanity. We're talking and without due process. Oh, let's get into the finer point of what even that means. I guess maybe Barry Weiss should. Maybe we should hear from J.D. vance because he had this theory that there's just too much to do. Due diligence. We never deport people fast enough. So maybe we should give that thought. And Aaron too. Maybe the settler should just take the west bank and maybe Gaza should just be Israel. Now let's hear all sides of this stuff.
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Sam Cedar
And to your point, on the fact that of course she doesn't have a problem with this. Zatteo had a little item this morning pointing out that the Free Press earlier this year in April had an article. The hottest campaign stop in the Salvador is this Salvadoran supermax. That's how they refer to Scott Weiss. Separately gushed about the popularity of El Salvador's President Bukele, who describes himself as the world's coolest dictator, about how safe he's made the Central American nation.
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Matt
Yeah, and just so people don't get it clear, it's not, it has nothing to do with religion. When we say Zionists do this, it's because they are fascist nationalists. That's why they have no problem with Bukele. That's why they have no problem with all this stuff.
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Sam Cedar
And here's a good tweet from Adam Johnson. Here you go. Oh, wait, here it is. Sorry, but this completely misreads Weiss's role. So somebody said Bari Weiss is so incompetent at leading CBS News that her efforts at fully suppressing the 60 minute segment on C cop was foiled because she wasn't aware or forgot that the broadcast package, including that segment, was distributed via a streaming app for broadcast in Canada. Johnson says, sorry, but this completely misreads Weiss's role. Her longtime role is helping the Ellisons build a far right pro Israel media conglomerate. Her short term role is stopping the Netflix WBD merger so the Ellisons can own cnn, hbo, et cetera. And to do this, she needs to flatter Trump. And she did. That's exactly right. That's exactly right.
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Matt
So does it matter? Like journalists, you cry all you want. She's performing for the big boys that brought her to the dance. Like, she's not here because journalists respect her. She's here because a billionaire wants her there. And like I see all these people, you know, suspending disbelief, these centrist types, that's because they're corrupt. If you see anybody suspending disbelief on this for a second, they're not stupid. They know where the money is and they want it.
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Sam Cedar
And remember the Trump administration talking about how public money corrupts things like PBS and npr. Please, please. When they got public funding of our journalistic, you know, the threadbare funding that we provide to very select outlets, npr, you are like saying, we want more Bari Weiss's we want somebody and Ellison's to find more Barry Weiss stooges or toadies, which I remember she didn't know what that word was when Joe Rogan interviewed her. A pretty embarrassing moment for her. Not the Brightest bulb despite the glasses. I know she wants people to be fooled by that.
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Matt
That's not what she's there for.
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Sam Cedar
She's not there for her role in media is as a hatchet man for billionaires lunch instrument. She has been that since her days in college when she was trying to get Palestinian professors fired as a sophomore. Like other right wing personalities like Charlie Kirk who got their start as really young people and a billionaire, took notice and said, huh, I like this reactionary right wing kid.
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Matt
Oh yeah. Motivated reasoning in a person.
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Sam Cedar
Barry Weiss is the NPR voice version of Charlie Kirk and a supposed talent that was well funded and cultivated by wealthy interests in order to try to poison the well of like healthy debate at universities across the country about specific issues. For Weiss, it was Israel and Palestine early on in her career. For Charlie Kirk it's, you know, things like Christian nationalism, promoting that cancel culture and more.
- [46:56]
Matt
We have all this discussion about anti Semitism and Nick Fuentes and it's horrible that we have neo Nazis and Holocaust deniers, you know, having dinner with the Trump, with Trump and stuff like that. Zionists like Barry Weiss are also genocide deniers. The genocide is just more recent.
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Sam Cedar
Yep. But we can't play the video of this. I just wanted to play an excerpt of this 60 Minutes piece that that didn't end up airing the United States but did air in Canada. We'll play just the audio because they are quite litigious about playing their copyrighted material, even though this is as newsworthy as anything and this should not be allowed legally for this to happen. But we'll play some of this report for you regardless. Five deportations.
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Matt
I have some tattoos. None of them have anything to do with any criminal group. I explained to them saying that I didn't belong to any gang. To which the agent responded, but you are Venezuelan.
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Sam Cedar
60 Minutes reviewed this document. Agents used to assess Venezuelans. A person with eight points was designated as a trend Aragua gang member and deportable tattoos. An immigration officer suspected of being gang related earned four points. But criminologists who study gangs say tattoos are not a reliable way to identify Venezuelan gang members because unlike some Central American gangs such as MS.13, Trendiaragua does not use tattoos to signal membership. Venezuelan national William Lozada Sanchez was also deported to Cecotri. He told us the guards there also accused Venezuelans with tattoos of being gang members. He detailed months of abuse and being forced into stress positions. So you had to be on your knees for 24 hours? Yes, because they put a guard there.
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Matt
To Watch us so that we wouldn't move.
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Sam Cedar
What would happen if you could make it?
- [49:09]
Matt
They'd take us to the island.
- [49:11]
Sam Cedar
What's the island?
- [49:13]
Matt
The island is a little room where there's no light, no ventilation, nothing.
- [49:18]
Sam Cedar
It's a cell for punishment where you can't see your hand in front of your face.
- [49:23]
Matt
After they locked us in, they came to beat us every half hour. And they pounded on the door with.
- [49:28]
Sam Cedar
Their sticks to traumatize us while we were in there.
- [49:31]
Matt
The torture was never ending.
- [49:32]
Sam Cedar
Interminable.
- [49:34]
Matt
They would take you there and beat you for hours and leave you locked in there for days.
- [49:40]
Sam Cedar
Some of the deportees just described being sexually assaulted by the guards. They were hitting your private parts with a baton? No, no.
- [49:50]
Matt
They tugged at them with their hands.
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Sam Cedar
And they did that to multiple people?
- [49:55]
Matt
To most of us.
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Sam Cedar
The men say they grew weaker by the day. They claim the prison lights were left on 24 hours a day, making it difficult to sleep and that food and medicine were often withheld. Did you have access to clean water?
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Matt
They never gave us access to clean water. The same water from our baths and toilets was the same water that we had to drink and survive on.
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Donald Trump
If.
- [50:21]
Matt
We had serious injuries. When the doctors examined us, they told us that drinking water would heal it.
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Sam Cedar
So they're telling the injured prisoners to drink water. And the water's filthy.
- [50:33]
Matt
Super filthy. The sicker and more injured we were, the better it was for them.
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Sam Cedar
There you go.
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Matt
Fascism. I mean, there's no reason that we have any relationship with this torture camp other than to keep it out of sight. And Bari Weiss is a collaborator in that fascist project to keep this brutality and torture out of sight.
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Sam Cedar
The idea that there was nothing new there. I hadn't. I had heard about the sexual assaults. I had heard about forced oral on the guards. Oral assault. And not the tugging on their genitals, which sounds incredibly painful. So. I mean, these are bad people.
- [51:27]
Matt
Barry Weiss is a bad person.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah. To put it wild.
- [51:31]
Matt
They are malevolent, malicious, and working against a better world.
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Sam Cedar
Mm. But 150 mil for that role as the hatchet man for billionaires, not as a journalist. Coming from the opinion pages at the outset of her career. Can't wait for more leaks, though. There is no one in that newsroom that respects that.
- [51:56]
Matt
I mean, look, there's. Sometimes ships go down, there's plenty of time for the rats to flee. Folks gotta get like. People should be leaving it like it's the last day of school in the spring.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah. Yep. Let's now turn to the economy. I mentioned that Trump spoke, did a speech on Friday about the economy because his advisors are very upset that he keeps calling affordability a Democratic hoax. There was an interview in the wake of the 2025 elections, which we obviously saw Zoran Mamdani win, but sweeps for Democrats across the country. I mean, I'm hard pressed to think of maybe like 2010, the tea party, but off year elections like this being this partisan because turnout is usually so low that you don't see trends like this. But it was just Democratic win or across the country basically in November. And so after that, Politico interviewed Trump's 2024 campaign director and he was saying we need to talk about affordability right now, we need to reclaim it. And Republicans are quite good at taking left wing rhetoric or liberal rhetoric usually, actually I should say release the Epstein funds, right. And co opting it. They will speak about it on their terms in ways that the Democrats are incapable of doing and change the definition of it because they have one, no commitment to the truth, but also a fascistic message discipline that flows from Trump himself. And they just repeat what he says at this point. So that, that my concern at the time was we have to stop. And I still maintain this concern. It's just for different reasons that just talking about affordability is too vague. The Democrats have to. And actually Bernie Sanders called, called me naive in our interview, hilariously, which I loved for saying, oh, it's a step in the right direction, but we need to be talking about oligarchy and income inequality. And that's how the Democrats can actually differentiate themselves on this issue. You can say we are going to tax the hell out of billionaires to make your life better. The Republicans can't do that. They are incapable of doing that and the answer is right in front of them. But what's helping the Democrats who still have not coalesced behind that, because as we know, leadership is not where it should be, is the fact that Trump doesn't want to talk about it at all. And he's maybe incapable of doing this.
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Matt
Unfamiliar with what it means because it's.
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Sam Cedar
One, he's unfamiliar, but two, he is really uncomfortable being on the defensive in this manner. He can't rail against the Biden economy when he's the president and when the economy's getting worse than it was under Biden. So he can't stay on message. And this is what he wandered into, his mind wandered into during his speech on the economy on Friday. I mean, you're not going to believe what he says here, I had these.
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Donald Trump
Animals trying to attack me at Mar A Lago. They went into my wife's closet. And I'll say this, number one is very bad, but it sounds a little strange. They looked at her drawers. You have draw and then you have draw. They looked at both. And she's a very meticulous person, you know, like these people. Just like. She'd fit into your group very well. She'd be very happy with her. But everything is perfect. Her undergoing.
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Sam Cedar
Wait, what the freaking. I'm sorry. It's just she. She'd let. She'd branch with you ladies.
- [56:12]
Matt
I wish a group of women in.
- [56:14]
Sam Cedar
The front row that Melania would love to hang out.
- [56:17]
Matt
She would love you guys.
- [56:19]
Sam Cedar
You know, she just looks like a real girl's girl.
- [56:21]
Matt
Melania, you have draws and you cut dress.
- [56:24]
Sam Cedar
You got draws and then you got dress.
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Donald Trump
Very meticulous person, you know, like these people. Just like. She'd fit into your group very well. She'd be very happy with her. But everything is perfect. Her undergarments, always nice. Sometimes referred to as panties. Oh, oh, they're folded.
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Matt
That's a drop.
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Donald Trump
Perfect wrapped. They're like so perfect. I said, that's beautiful. You know, it's a part of the world she came from. Everything was perfect. No problem. Fold, fall, fold. I think she steams them. Make sure. We came home.
- [57:02]
Matt
I like the guy here. Look at the way he looks. He's like.
- [57:09]
Sam Cedar
He's looking at his phone, kind of.
- [57:11]
Matt
Like all the bros here. And then the woman here, like, put her hand in her.
- [57:16]
Sam Cedar
Okay.
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Donald Trump
I think that she steams them. Make sure. We came home.
- [57:24]
Sam Cedar
So embarrassing.
- [57:25]
Donald Trump
I wasn't there when the raid took place. A raid of a popular president, a former president. Now she opened the drawers and it was not that way. They were a mess. It was all over the place.
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Sam Cedar
So that's him Talking about the 2022 raid on Mar A Lago, which because Trump had stolen a bunch of classified documents and refused to return them despite the FBI asking nicely many, many times. And event had to go and just take them, saying that the FBI looked at his wife's panties and folded him up. Really talking about how he got sidetracked.
- [58:10]
Matt
Being folds him.
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Sam Cedar
Really? No, I don't think he means Melania. I think he means. He says she gets them dry cleaned, which is another. Which is why I wanted to play this clip, which is that he's trying to talk about the economy and how people are struggling and that he's going to make it better. Here's my, how rich we are. My wife gets her thongs dry cleaned, steamed and pressed so that the part.
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Matt
Of the world they're from. Reference. That's to the cleaning staff, not Melania.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. But again, dementia dawn is a little bit hard to figure out right now. So I don't know if that. Do you relate to that getting your clothes folded for you and your underwear steam. When I think about getting a nice sweater and I have probably like two or three nice sweaters, which I. I truly cherish. I just am like, damn, I'm gonna have to work in the dry cleaning parts of the budget and make sure I do the delicates in the wash. But sometimes that doesn't work that well. It's almost like attacks on a nice luxury item that you have.
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Matt
Oh, it definitely stops me from buying. There's a certain type of sweatpants I get, but you need to really be careful with washing them. And I don't have a washer and dryer. I. I have the stuff in the machines. Like, I'm not dealing with that.
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Sam Cedar
Right, right. The. The concept of getting your underwear pressed and steamed is so.001% that I can't even begin to describe it. But I guess the people in North Carolina can relate to that. Melania with her steamed and pressed underwear would fit really well into that group of women.
- [59:46]
Matt
You would. She would love you guys. She fit you.
- [59:49]
Sam Cedar
She would love you guys. She would be perfect to fold her panties.
- [59:53]
Matt
I'm so curious who he was referring to.
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Sam Cedar
I wish they cut on the crowd. But don't worry, this administration is not out of touch. Okay, here is Peter Navarro. Remember him? He was the COVID czar that I think helped Trump come up with the idea of encouraging people to inject bleach to kill Covid.
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Matt
Ron Vera.
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Sam Cedar
Yes, the. Also the person who used an anagram of his name as a reference, a scientific reference in his papers. Fake person. Anyway, he's the White House senior counselor for trade and manufacturing and he went on CNBC today to talk about how the economy is actually doing really well and we should embrace tariffs because it's going to create blue collar jobs.
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Matt
And you know, in an age of AI where all the white collar workers jobs are going away pretty damn quick, I think maybe it's a good time for people to. To think about having good blue collar jobs. I mean, that used to be how America prospered. The middle class, the blue collar middle class, because they had good wages at the time, back in the days when Detroit Was king. That was a beautiful age. It can come back again in a new package with all this good technology and productivity. So we're gonna know a lot, Peter, and by the end of next year, it's coming. We're gonna know a lot about.
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Donald Trump
About how this.
- [61:23]
Matt
It wouldn't be, wouldn't be the first time that the consensus or the, you know, the conventional wisdom. Give tariffs a chance because they're working.
- [61:35]
Sam Cedar
Give these a chance. Give Tares a chance. We have, bro.
- [61:39]
Matt
I would give peace a chance. Let's try it.
- [61:43]
Sam Cedar
I love the conservative CNBC host being like, it wouldn't be the worst time that things turned around. Despite every economic indicator showing that things aren't going well.
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Matt
This is just historically illiterate America. When he's talking about like the wonder years of American manufacturing, those weren't like call those middle class people. Those were immigrants also. Largely new immigrants to America. Like Henry Ford, like you. I mean he was pretty patriarchal about it. Like basically said that you got to learn English and stuff like that. But it wasn't middle class people finding a good job. The reason that manufacturing boost was so great is because it led to middle class, like sort of comfort. But it was not for the middle class people. They didn't exist.
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Sam Cedar
Well how. Why were their wages good? Well, why. Let's say why did the jobs go overseas? Because the wages were good. Because of unions. Unions, profit motive. That is what these free trade deals were meant to undercut the labor movement in the United States. They were successful in many ways and they got cheaper labor in different countries. That is why the wages were higher. Not just. Not because it was of this protectionism. Yes. Tariffs have a place to incentivize certain kinds of growth in manufacturing. If you do it in a targeted way. They're doing it in a nationalist way that uses fentanyl. Right. Ron Vera's calculations that talk about trade deficits where like we're talking about like penguins in Antarctica having a trade deficit with the United States and slapping tariffs on them. It makes no sense to talk about global corporations after globalization. In the terms of nationalism. It's nonsense.
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Matt
While you're getting washed by China the entire year because of it. The people you really need to deal with because. And look, part of it. China's not just cheating. They're putting state capacity towards manufacturing. That was a smart bet for them to do. We've decided to put all of our eggs into financiers and tech people. And I would say not feeling so great. We got bitcoin and Betting apps and they got trains. So we've the failures already happened. I hate to break it to people but America is not going to be the world economic power in 50 years. China is. These people have already lost it. And right now what they're doing is compensating themselves for having lost it and making sure like by the time everyone catches up and realizes how deeply we've been sold down the river, they have a lot enough money to like jet off to Monaco or something. But we should definitely be and if we were going to go at China, it wouldn't be. Also while we're going at Mexico and Canada and every one of our other allies like to do a kind of rebalancing like this, you need to 1 have it be directed for the workers, not for the profit of the companies that you're talking about, which is what all this stuff is actually for talking about AI and how about you start with the blue collar work Ron, Ron Vera, like let's see you get in the factory and you know, make some widgets.
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Sam Cedar
He's also. The premise is a lie too. I want to just this is from two months ago. Manufacturing dive asked this question. It's a, you know, a trade publication. Manufacturing jobs keep going down. Is AI responsible now? The Trump administration will lie and say that manufacturing jobs are up. We have lost manufacturing jobs throughout this year. They'll also talk about how now native born workers, their employment rate is increasing. They've dug into those numbers. It's decreasing, it's decreasing just across the board. The people that are getting hurt disproportionately right now are young workers trying to enter into this horrific economy. And yeah, so that maybe those are some of like the more professional class people coming out of college that will be impacted by AI and they are being impacted by AI, but the manufacturing sector is also being impacted by AI. Transportation and warehousing and factory automation are going to be devastating for blue collar jobs. Here's what this article has to say. The US manufacturing industry lost 78,000 jobs over the past year with 12,000 cuts in August alone, according to the latest federal data. Again, this is from October, so it's probably worse than this now. This comes as automation is ramping up in factories, but it's far from the only factor. While the September employment data isn't available yet due to the government shutdown, the August 2025 Labor Turnover Survey shows a 12% dip in job openings compared to last year with 313,000 job separations in manufacturing. Experts say this isn't new manufacturing jobs have been declining since February 2023, now reaching the lowest level since the onset of the COVID 19 pandemic. Huh? What happened to all the tariffs bringing about these manufacturing jobs? Well, and just scroll to the next AI and automation will be the header. You'll see it right there. There it is. Manufacturing companies have been facing a labor shortage for years. Nearly 2 million jobs, half of all new positions created, could be unfilled by the end of the decade, according to data from Deloitte and the Manufacturing Institute. Many companies have turned to artificial intelligence and automation to bridge the gap, with some countries like China and Japan running fully automated factories. Some plants in the US like Tesla's Gigafactories are also implementing similar models. And she'll say that the China automation stuff is as a supplement to work as opposed to the replacement. That is really what American capitalists are interested in is AI being a replacement for labor, which is a high expense for them. Sectors with high volume production and repetitive tasks such as automotive, semiconductors, electronics, aerospace and pharmaceuticals are experiencing the highest adoption of AI and automation. Experts say other divisions will follow suit as implement implementing this technology becomes more accessible and financially viable. But I don't want to stop there with this analysis here just because that's not the only thing that's resulting and go to the tariffs part in these job losses because it's also the tariff policies because it wasn't paired with a domestic manufacturing bill that would have set up companies with the infrastructure to build out the capacity that we just don't have right now before just slapping tariffs on it. We would need years and years to build up the domestic capacity to manufacture the goods that we can't manufacture here before then you put tariffs on things to make it more expensive for foreign goods to, to, to be purchased versus the ones that are manufactured here. But you can't do that if we can't manufacture them here yet.
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Matt
Yeah. Automation is just an acceleration of a process that's been constant and it is going a little bit faster. But it's also being used, like we're talking about, as a scapegoat to obscure other policy decisions.
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Sam Cedar
Right. The uncertainty around tariff policies has put some manufacturers in a wait and see mode, leading to stalled projects and hiring freezes. Industry experts said exporters can't foresee demand. Importers are uncertain about the price and how much the tariffs consumers and foreign suppliers will bear. And manufacturers who use imported material, tools or components are dealing with large swings in their costs. This is what this expert say we talked about this too. The volatility of it with Trump taking them on and off. You can't plan people can't model their finances for their businesses, and so they're just going to go elsewhere. And then secondly, this is key. President Donald Trump's administration has implemented several changes to tighten immigration policies, making it harder for new foreign workers to enter and for those already here to stay. Some of These changes include $100,000 fee for new H1B visas, increased scrutiny of visa applicants, social media activity, plans to end. Right. Birthright citizenship, end birthright citizenship, limiting access to health insurance benefits, and additional funding for detention and deportation. Meaning these ICE activities, the enforcement, the scapegoating of immigrants. Yeah, it's really devastating our agricultural sector. It's devastating every sector. Because the reality is that this country in many ways relies on undocumented immigrants as a subclass of laborer, as the underbelly of this economy that's already collapsing. It shouldn't be that way. We should be giving these people a path to citizenship so it avoids that. But our system is set up so that doesn't happen. Because wage theft can happen. If you don't have, if you're undocumented, they don't have to improve your working conditions, they can stiff you. As for wage theft, they can assault you and you can't complain and they'll threaten to deport you. It benefits your boss. That's why we have these policies. That is the through line with all.
- [71:08]
Matt
Of this for Trump and even the $100,000 fee for H1B visas thing, that just leads. That just makes it so the most capitalized industries can afford to do it. Like tech and whether, like where actually, okay, we have a shortage of medical professionals in XY Rural Hospital. What are they going to pay $100,000 now to bring in like a lab tech or whatever? Like, the truth is that this has all been a false analysis, that we should not be looking at fucking immigrants for why everyone's stuck in the mud economically. It's with. Instead we should look at the people with all of the money who are buying, the politicians who are actually paying for undocumented kids to be in factories. Right? But we never hear about that. We're raiding the families. We're not raiding the CEOs who were doing that at 5 in the morning, have kids cleaning up, you know, putting their tiny little fingers to clear out parts and meat processing plants. Like, and we're not doing it now either. Now is just making it more harsh. And it's going to tank the economy. That's. That's the reality.
- [72:25]
Sam Cedar
All right, folks, with that, we'll wrap up this part of the show. But I have an idea for you, Matt. You want to do another freebie Tuesday, but we still play the Funhouse song so I can take a quick break?
- [72:35]
Matt
Yeah, it sounds good.
- [72:36]
Sam Cedar
But Matt, tell us though, what's happening on your end of things.
- [72:41]
Matt
Right after the show today, Majority Report is going to be Left Reckoning's Bump Steer awards of the year. We nominate three different nominees and the Left Reckoning patrons are going to be able to vote between Fuentes, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Robert F. Kennedy.
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Sam Cedar
Awesome. As a reminder, folks, this show relies on your support. Go to jointhemajorityreport.com you can im the show just helps us out, keeps us independent, keeps us doing this every weekday live except for the rest of the year. But we will be back at the beginning of January and really appreciate you all. Truly. This has been a very, I think, important year in politics and an important year for us as a show. We've grown quite a bit. We're, you know, the cable news is calling, Sam and I wanting us, wanting our opinions on things and that we couldn't be growing in this way without your support watching the show, you being members, truly, truly appreciate it. Sometimes I feel like I can forget that we're doing this show and people are literally watching on the other side. I'll get a text from a friend or something like, hey, nice shirt today or something. Jesus. People actually watch this. This isn't just us chatting in the office. So you can forget that there is a human being watching this on the other side of the screen. And I love and appreciate you all and hope we're making a difference. I really hope so. So with that schmaltzy message, we'll play the fun half song, but we will keep this in the free half and we'll see you on the other side. Hopefully we'll take some, some calls too, as well.
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Matt
Three months from now, six months from.
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Donald Trump
Now, nine months from now, and I don't think it's going to be the.
- [74:30]
Matt
Same as it looks like in six months from now.
- [74:32]
Donald Trump
And I don't know if it's necessarily.
- [74:33]
Matt
Going to better six months from now than it is three months from now.
- [74:37]
Donald Trump
But I think around 18 months out, we're gonna look back and go like.
- [74:40]
Matt
Wow.
- [74:42]
Sam Cedar
What, what is that going on?
- [74:46]
Donald Trump
It's nuts.
- [74:48]
Sam Cedar
Wait a second.
- [74:49]
Matt
Hold on. Hold on for a second. Emma, welcome to the program. Matt, Fun. What is up everyone.
- [75:01]
Sam Cedar
Fun Pat.
- [75:02]
Donald Trump
No, McKee.
- [75:03]
Sam Cedar
You did it. Fun Pat. Let's go, Brandon.
- [75:06]
Matt
Let's go, Brandon.
- [75:11]
Donald Trump
Bradley, you want to say hello?
- [75:12]
Matt
Sorry to disappoint everyone. I'm just a random guy. It's all the boys today.
- [75:17]
Sam Cedar
Fundamentally false. No. I'm sorry. Women.
- [75:19]
Donald Trump
Stop talking for a second and let me finish.
- [75:22]
Sam Cedar
Where is this coming from? Dude.
- [75:23]
Donald Trump
But. Dude, you want to smoke this?
- [75:26]
Sam Cedar
7A. Yes.
- [75:31]
Matt
Hi, this is me. Is this.
- [75:33]
Sam Cedar
Yes.
- [75:37]
Donald Trump
Is this me?
- [75:38]
Sam Cedar
Is it me?
- [75:39]
Matt
It is you.
- [75:43]
Donald Trump
Is this me?
- [75:44]
Matt
Hello, it's me.
- [75:44]
Donald Trump
I think it is you. Who is you? Help us out every single freaking day. What's on your mind?
- [75:53]
Sam Cedar
We can discuss free markets and we can discuss capitalism. I'm gonna go far away.
- [75:58]
Donald Trump
Libertarians.
- [75:59]
Matt
They're so stupid. Though common sense says of course.
- [76:02]
Sam Cedar
Gobbledygook.
- [76:03]
Matt
We nailed him.
- [76:04]
Sam Cedar
So what's 79 plus 21?
- [76:06]
Matt
Challenge man. Positive equivalent.
- [76:08]
Donald Trump
I believe 96.
- [76:09]
Sam Cedar
I want to say.
- [76:10]
Donald Trump
857210.
- [76:11]
Matt
35.
- [76:12]
Sam Cedar
5011%.
- [76:13]
Matt
3, 8, 9. 11.
- [76:16]
Sam Cedar
$3,400. $1,900. 5, 4.
- [76:20]
Donald Trump
$3 trillion.
- [76:22]
Matt
Sold.
- [76:22]
Donald Trump
It's a zero sum game.
- [76:24]
Sam Cedar
Actually. You're making me think less.
- [76:25]
Matt
But.
- [76:26]
Donald Trump
But let me say this. You call it satire.
- [76:30]
Sam Cedar
Sam goes satire on top of it all. My favorite part about you is just like every day, all day. Like everything you do.
- [76:37]
Matt
Without a doubt. Hey buddy. We seen you.
- [76:43]
Sam Cedar
All right, folks.
- [76:43]
Matt
Folks, folks, folks.
- [76:48]
Sam Cedar
It's just the week being weeded out. Obviously. Yeah.
- [76:51]
Donald Trump
Guns out. Guns out.
- [76:55]
Matt
I. I don't know.
- [76:57]
Sam Cedar
But you should know.
- [77:00]
Matt
People just don't like to entertain ideas anymore. I have a question. Who cares? Our chat is enabled. Folks. Love it.
- [77:09]
Sam Cedar
I do love that.
- [77:12]
Matt
Gotta jump.
- [77:13]
Sam Cedar
Gotta be quick.
- [77:13]
Donald Trump
I gotta jump.
- [77:14]
Matt
I'm losing it, bro. Two o'.
- [77:18]
Sam Cedar
Clock.
- [77:19]
Donald Trump
We're already late and the guy's being a dick. So screw him. Sent to a gulag.
- [77:25]
Sam Cedar
Outrageous.
- [77:26]
Donald Trump
Like what is wrong with you?
- [77:29]
Matt
Love you.
- [77:29]
Sam Cedar
Bye.
- [77:31]
Matt
Love you. Bye.
- [77:33]
Donald Trump
Bye.
- [77:34]
Sam Cedar
Sa. We are back. It is still the free part of the show. Matt and I decided last show of the year. Do you have. Do you want to do asmr? We're going to have a beer each of us. I don't know. Are you going to be able to work? There we go. Very nice. Cheers to my buddy Matt. Love you. All right. He said you two off mic. I'm being schmaltzy today. It's cuz Sam isn't here to or Brian to make fun of me. I think of in terms of the. You are the probably the most accepting of my schmaltziness. Of the three, I would say if I were to rank.
- [79:03]
Matt
Just saying a lot.
- [79:03]
Sam Cedar
Yeah. Which is not much.
- [79:06]
Matt
Just saying a lot about Sam Brian.
- [79:11]
Sam Cedar
They would just instantly mock me anyway.
- [79:15]
Matt
And then start, like, overheating themselves.
- [79:21]
Sam Cedar
All right, let's. Yeah, we'll just do. Do this Benny Johnson thing. Oh, you want to do that first? Okay. Yes. Okay. So Nicki Minaj has had a real fall from grace. You know, when I was in high school, she was, like, the biggest female rapper out there. I mean, I remember really loving her album. She has that famous verse on Monster, the Kanye song that everybody learned.
- [79:53]
Matt
And I never felt that way about that verse. But I will say Starships, I spent the summer of 2011, I think it was in London, and that was probably the only summer I did a lot of clubbing and Starships was going off.
- [80:09]
Sam Cedar
See, I didn't like those. I liked more of her, like, super bass, I guess I really enjoyed. Which. Did she come out to super bass? She did. She came out to super base, which we can't play, obviously, but, like, with the widow of Charlie Kirk. Isn't this supposed to be a mournful event?
- [80:25]
Matt
Or Charlie Kirk, who said, I don't think she's a good role model. I don't know if you saw that. Maybe I'll pick that up.
- [80:31]
Sam Cedar
Yeah, I did not see that. But I mean, so basically, Nicki Minaj has gone completely insane due to her relevance decreasing and has been waging war on the Internet with a bunch of different female rappers who are more popular than her at this point. Cardi B. But particularly Megan Thee Stallion, who we are fans of in this household.
- [80:56]
Matt
Big fans.
- [80:56]
Sam Cedar
Big fans. And she's a beauty. And she's also. I love her music, and she seems like. Also like, a genuinely good person who was targeted by, like, a misogynistic hate campaign as well. So whatever. Like, Nicki Minaj is on the right. The wrong side of everything. She had that tweet about being an anti vaxxer during COVID The weird thing.
- [81:18]
Matt
About her cousin's balls during COVID Yep. That was actually just like, she was supportive of Andrew Cuomo in the 2018 Democratic primary, which is a very odd thing to do, in my opinion. Just which suggests to me that maybe, like, some people in the industry are telling her, hey, it would be useful if you came out and did this political thing right now. I. Maybe that's unfair to Nikki. Maybe she's just very. Maybe she's like the anti Cardi B. Where Cardi B has, like, the Interest in, like, FDR and stuff. Maybe Nikki is just into, like, psychopath reactionary.
- [81:52]
Sam Cedar
No, maybe she's just into people that are sex pests. I mean, this is.
- [81:57]
Donald Trump
Yeah.
- [81:57]
Sam Cedar
If Andrew Cuomo is involved here, because we're gonna, like, then this is where she's completely lost it. She. She. She married a guy who's a registered sex offender. And since that point, she has been. And also her brother apparently also abused a child, and she was supportive of him. And so Megan, thee stallion clapped back at her. In her song Hiss, she had a line referring to Megan's law, which is a sex offender law in California. Or is it in the.
- [82:33]
Matt
In California.
- [82:35]
Sam Cedar
California. And so then Gavin Newsom did a video that included that line. And so Nicki Minaj has been out for Gavin Newsom.
- [82:48]
Matt
Oh, it's federal, actually, too, Megan.
- [82:50]
Sam Cedar
There you go. Okay, point being is like. Like a guy like Russell Brand, if you have become kind of Persona non grata in the entertainment industry, who will.
- [83:00]
Matt
Open their arms to you?
- [83:01]
Sam Cedar
Who will open your arms to you? Well, TPUSA will, apparently. And I don't know what happened here, but she either slipped up or said something inflammatory on purpose. But she calls. I don't even want to spoil it. People could just watch.
- [83:18]
Matt
I'll just say we're skipping the part where she says just sick, disgusting stuff about trans people, because she's appealing to these. And I think she gets in on the Christian genocide thing too. So she's like, video full mouthpiece for a bunch of dumb shit. But here she is talking about J.D. vance in a way that turns out not to be greatly advised.
- [83:39]
Sam Cedar
And you have amazing role models, like the assassin JD Vance, our vice president. And when I say that. When you say that, what? I. Trust me, there's nothing new under the sun that I have not heard. So you're fine. Yes, we did.
- [84:07]
Matt
She can't even move past it.
- [84:14]
Sam Cedar
You have to laugh about it. Truly, I have been called every single thing. And you know what? God is so good, you let it roll right off your back, back. And this is what's so beautiful about this moment. Because if the Internet wants to clip it, who cares? I love this woman. She's an amazing woman. She has a soul and a heart for the Lord. And you have a.
- [84:35]
Matt
Let's just get this one more time.
- [84:36]
Sam Cedar
I'm sorry. If you want to clip this, you're on stage.
- [84:42]
Matt
I just want it one more time.
- [84:43]
Sam Cedar
Why does she do that? Amazing role models like the assassin JD Vance, our vice president.
- [84:53]
Matt
What?
- [84:53]
Sam Cedar
And when I say that she Just figures it out.
- [84:57]
Matt
After she says. And then I say that.
- [84:59]
Sam Cedar
Oh, and then I say that. What is her explanation again? Just play a little bit more. And when I say that, she just stares at the crowd.
- [85:07]
Matt
No, this is the last thing she says. After 12 seconds, she doesn't say another thing. J.D.
- [85:13]
Sam Cedar
Vance, our vice president. And when I say that.
- [85:22]
Matt
Is she.
- [85:23]
Sam Cedar
Mentally well, trust me, there's.
- [85:26]
Matt
You're supposed to be a performer. Like, I know you make mistakes, but, like, move on.
- [85:31]
Sam Cedar
It's unbelievable. Why would she say the assassin looks so suspicious? Is that the conspiracy theory? Is that one of them? That J.D. vance was involved? Yeah. What does she know?
- [85:43]
Matt
The thing about J.D. vance is that Erica is, like, going to replace his wife. That's the conspiracy theories.
- [85:49]
Sam Cedar
Right.
- [85:50]
Matt
I didn't think the Cui Bono went so deep that JD Was actually, like, involved, but maybe Candace Owens has some new information for that.
- [85:57]
Sam Cedar
That's amazing.
- [85:59]
Matt
And when I say that, and then she just freezes for 35 seconds.
- [86:03]
Sam Cedar
And Erica Kirk, like, laughing that off, it's just like, ha, ha.
- [86:07]
Matt
You have to laugh.
- [86:08]
Sam Cedar
This guy that, you know, I know he didn't murder my husband three months ago. Remember that? You have to laugh.
- [86:16]
Matt
I've been called everything.
- [86:20]
Sam Cedar
She didn't call you anything. She just accused the man you just endorsed for president three years from now of killing your husband.
- [86:28]
Matt
So I said, the most awkward thing that happened on stage was done by the most, like, professional performer.
- [86:32]
Sam Cedar
Yeah, let's. Let's just. Let's do Benny Johnson while we're here. So at tpusa, Benny Johnson has something to prove. It's been, you know, quite public at this point that there are many, many people, not myself, I don't have firsthand experience with this, but who say that Benny Johnson is a frequenter of gay sex apps.
- [87:06]
Matt
Milo Yiannopoulos has very clearly stated that on Tim Pool's show that Benny Johnson is gay secretly and is hiding it and has been misbehaving at conservative conferences.
- [87:15]
Sam Cedar
There is a firsthand account of somebody, a man who made out with him, who has said this publicly and at the dressing room at some event.
- [87:23]
Matt
And also, was it Benny's wife that said, we'll sue? And don't think I've heard anything about a lawsuit.
- [87:28]
Sam Cedar
Right. Milo taunted them and said, yeah, you want to go through discovery? Oh, baby. And Milo quiet.
- [87:33]
Matt
The video of him drooling a large amount of water out of his mouth and said, this is me thinking about discovery, the discovery process.
- [87:41]
Sam Cedar
So what does Benny Johnson do to prove that he's Definitely not gay. To this crowd of conservatives who are also the men that are in this.
- [87:50]
Matt
Audience, the most masculine.
- [87:51]
Sam Cedar
The Most masculine. No 100% straight hit rate in this room, baby.
- [87:56]
Matt
No. That's the secret thing about these conservative events is outside all these liberal women are just trying to get in all these hunks, these conservative value hunks inside.
- [88:08]
Sam Cedar
It's like when a. Like a shark smells blood in the water. Oh, how do we. How do I get in here so. So I can have, you know, be a real man. Right. I need. I need a real man who will put me in the kitchen and then, like, leave in the middle of the night and come back smelling like another man's cologne.
- [88:25]
Matt
Yeah.
- [88:26]
Sam Cedar
So here is Benny Johnson, who. Like a guy like Dave Rubin. I'm not saying that Benny's gay, but they're using a similar tactic, throwing trans people under the bus because we're one of the good ones. He does this at tpusa.
- [88:43]
Matt
Charlie Kirk, taken from us. Well, God is the author of life and death. Obviously. It was God's will.
- [88:49]
Sam Cedar
There's nothing outside of God's will. God didn't make a mistake.
- [88:54]
Matt
Charlie is now a martyr. But who pulled the trigger? Well, let me tell you, God, that's somebody who knows a lot of people who've been briefed on all this, who've seen all the evidence, and all the available evidence is empirical and demonstrable. The person who pulled the trigger is part of the demonic transgender ideology that warps the minds of our young children, that poisons them, that is antithetical to creation itself. That's in my algorithm. For some reason, I make a few man and woman. God doesn't make mistakes. Transgender. Transgenderism is a lie from the pit of hell. And I'm sick of seeing transgender violence and murderers in my country.
- [89:38]
Sam Cedar
So pretty unfortunate. But that's a standing ovation from the elderly turning points USA crowd.
- [89:44]
Matt
A bunch of freaks. And what has made me so angry.
- [89:48]
Sam Cedar
About this moment is that it should.
- [89:50]
Matt
Have been a unifying moment for us to all say, what a horrid and wretched ideology. Now it's time to kick indoors. Right? Come on.
- [89:58]
Sam Cedar
FBI.
- [89:59]
Matt
Do some door kicking. Round them up. The violent antifa members, the tran tifa members. We're busy covering up a pedophile sex cult that's way bigger than you can even imagine. Hands full a little bit. It's time.
- [90:14]
Donald Trump
Okay.
- [90:14]
Matt
Use this as a moment. That should have been the moment. But we didn't have that moment, sadly, because there was too much tearing at the Seams. It's time to focus, ladies and gentlemen, on what's truly ripping the true evils, demonic evils that are ripping this country apart.
- [90:28]
Sam Cedar
Yes.
- [90:29]
Matt
This is the ideology that took Charlie from us.
- [90:31]
Sam Cedar
And what.
- [90:31]
Matt
What was the last words that Charlie said on earth? He was actually answering a question about transgender violence. That's not true.
- [90:39]
Sam Cedar
That's not true. Let us heed that.
- [90:40]
Matt
Yeah, well, about the last words of somebody you apparently respect, which was actually, and I can remember this off the top of my head, you mean gang violence.
- [90:52]
Sam Cedar
That was referring to gun control. That was the question, wasn't it, about.
- [90:55]
Matt
Gun violence, broadly speaking, and at schools. And he said, actually, we don't have a gun violence problem in America. You just mean like, black kids are getting shot. And then what happened to him? And he wasn't shot by a gang member either. I'll say that.
- [91:08]
Sam Cedar
The first of all, we should say, pretty terrifying to see a conservative commentator like that, regardless of his motivations and his overcompensation, get a rousing standing ovation from a crowd of devoted followers about the FBI rounding up trans people. This is not a joke. We have Marjorie Taylor Greene's bill that passed in the House. You had some Democrats sign onto it. Henry Cuellar, by the way, who Nancy Pelosi and Jim Clyburn protected from a progressive primary challenge a few years ago while he was being investigated for crimes, won that primary by less than 1,000 votes. And you can basically blame that on Nancy Pelosi and Jim Clyburn for pushing him over the edge. He voted for this bill that bans gender affirming care for minors across the country and threatens providers with felonies if they give health care to kids that desperately need it. You have the administration basically denying the existence of trans people, and then you have this guy going a step further and basically saying that they should be rounded up and what's next? Put them in camps? Hey, we're already building out that capacity. We've got this effort to build a homeless prison, the modern version of a debtor's prison in Utah. We spoke to somebody about that a few weeks ago. We have the building out of these private prisons due to these massive ICE contracts. Like, when does it get to that point? Because I actually think the homeless example is a little bit more apt because this is about, like, institutionalizing people again in their world vision for what they deem is, like, you know, vagrancy or the kind of belief system that they would say is insane. The transgender ideology. And it's just amazing how you can they? They. It didn't matter. They were always going to use this. Always going to work backwards from their conclusion. The fact that Tyler Robinson was a white man was quite inconvenient for them.
- [93:31]
Matt
Raised in a conservative gun culture, and.
- [93:34]
Sam Cedar
So it appears he had a sexual relationship with his trans roommate. We still don't know the facts. And the reality for Benny Johnson is that, is that Tyler Robinson actually fits the exact profile of the vast majority of mass shooters in this country. The Violence Prevention Project has tracked this. A staggering 98% of mass shootings have been committed by men, according to the Violence Project. Men. Men. Often straight men. Men. Disproportionately. Straight white men disproportionately. So if you want to look at one demographic, that's it. And that's unlike the Right. We don't make those determinations based on, like, bioessentialism. It's because we have a violent culture in this country. We have a mental health crisis in this country because we don't have universal health care. And we have men being increasingly alienated because they've been told that achieving generational wealth and a nuclear family is the way to be a provider and to be masculine in our society. And over the past few decades, capitalism and income inequality has made that impossible. And we've also flooded our society with weapons. So people who have no purpose and may and have mental health issues seek purpose through the means that our society privileges, which is violence.
- [95:06]
Matt
How do you fight tyranny? If you're raised in a conservative Utah household, but then you happen to be attracted to people you. The government tells you you're not attracted to all of a sudden, but your entire life you've been growing. You've grown up going to gun shows, shooting things, internalizing the lesson that when there is a problem, a gun is the ultimate way to solve it. You're making your own enemies. The kid didn't. Everyone's talking about. He went. They went to college. He went to, like a tech. A trade school.
- [95:36]
Sam Cedar
Yep.
- [95:37]
Matt
Right. He wasn't. He wasn't reading bell hooks. He have had a relationship with somebody. This is. This is going. This is taking Cash Patel at face value, which I don't do. Yeah, but this is even by, like, the narrative that Benny Johnson thinks is certain enough to go on stage and get a standard innovation on y'. All. You can't win this. Like you. It's. It's not college that makes people gay or interested in trans people. It's not college that makes people trans. It's always Existed. It's crazy to me like how people don't remember like before all of this got politicized, the trans stuff was specifically when Republicans were still going at gay people that like trans people were just part of that.
- [96:18]
Sam Cedar
I was watching Magnolia two weekends ago and I saw like Felicity Huffman was in it. I remembered when was that she got nominated for an Oscar for trans America. That was in the Bush years.
- [96:31]
Matt
Yeah, exactly. The people that think it's all some sort of like Obama era psyop, like libertarian types like I think like probably Dave Smith's like this. They're fucking more ahistorical morons that don't know anything.
- [96:43]
Sam Cedar
And we should say that the Nazis targeted LGBTQ people, including trans people.
- [96:49]
Matt
I'm surprised they existed back then too.
- [96:51]
Sam Cedar
Destroying like medical. There was a trans clinic I believe in Germany that was targeted by the Nazis and you know, gender affirming and.
- [96:59]
Matt
You know, people on the right will pooh, pooh the whole the like. What do they call it? Third spirit. Native American mythology about like genders and saying like yeah, it turns out a lot of native tribes. But you can go to good old fashioned Anglican American colonialism.
- [97:14]
Sam Cedar
Yeah.
- [97:14]
Matt
There's a book Good Wives, Nasty Wenches. I believe I maybe look that up. But it goes into how intersex folks became an actual area of anxiety for the Virginia colonial authorities. And it turns out, yeah, people existed back then too that were not easily easy to define in a binary way. If you think that it Adam and Eve has all the world has ever been. You're a dumb religious person.
- [97:45]
Sam Cedar
Yeah.
- [97:46]
Matt
And we've been taking people like that seriously too long. And the Matt Walsh documentary and like the glazing it got from independent sort of centrists like Matt Taibbi. Whatever. Like it gave you the wrong impression. You're always been full of shit. It's over now.
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Sam Cedar
Matt from PA I was gay in high school. College just gave me the courage to come out because I met confident gay people who helped me feel comfortable with myself. Exactly. But that, that is what they are threatened by. Yeah, it's always there. It's just. Do people have the space to become who they truly are? And colleges are areas and cities are areas of expansion in that.
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Matt
Why do you think Zionist parents. You see that Free Press article where.
- [98:29]
Sam Cedar
Oh yes.
- [98:30]
Matt
Where it was like all these parents are upset that they're very highly educated kids. Don't like Israel. How about listen to your fucking kids.
- [98:38]
Sam Cedar
Well, instead of maybe talking to the press about it. I think I joked on Twitter about this but turns out Zionists hate all kids, including their own, and want the worst for them.
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Matt
You're bad parents. Like, this is the, this is actually the crisis. It's not about anti Semitism. Here's the piece here.
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Sam Cedar
Yep. Jewish parents are shocked, confused and upset by their children's radical politics. They wondered if they should have parented differently. Did their children get enough Jewish education? Were they brainwashed by their elite private schools? Where did they go wrong? Maybe I failed in the sense that the kids didn't go to Israel enough. A 63 year old physician in Greenpoint, Brooklyn told me he said his daughter, a civil rights attorney, sounds like a piece of shit.
- [99:20]
Matt
Hey, get in touch.
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Sam Cedar
Holds anti Zionist views and refused to vote for former New York governor Andrew Cuomo due to his alleged sexual harassment. It would have been better if they went more just to see the lies they're being told. I don't know. I know a lot. I know a few people have been to Israel that are pretty anti Zionist now. Like Matt Lieb talks about it being radicalizing when he was ushered into a gas station and a supposed Palestinian man seemed very set up, told him how wonderful Israel is and he immediately smelled the BS meter. You guys. Like, why do you think you can manipulate the narrative this way?
- [99:58]
Matt
Why don't we. Again, like, this is the thing. There is this huge story waiting to be told about young Jews turning against Israel, which is a positive story.
- [100:11]
Sam Cedar
Yep.
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Matt
Good for the world.
- [100:13]
Sam Cedar
Yep.
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Matt
And we have to treat it as if it's some sort of like tragedy, like a, like mythology.
- [100:20]
Sam Cedar
Yeah. Or like a, like a social contagion. That's how they treat it. That's how these Zionists, you know, older people treat it.
- [100:27]
Matt
And you know, I guess we have to wait until they like die off because this whole piece, Jewish parents are shocked, confused. It's all just written for Jewish parents. Nobody else is going to get anything out of it sort of article. But rich Jewish parents who wish their kids understood that actually we have to flatten that entire refugee camp because, you know, Israel got attacked.
- [100:51]
Sam Cedar
I mean, it's psycho. Like, my mother has a longtime friend that because of my commentary, will never speak to her ever again. Been friends for that's years, but that's.
- [101:03]
Matt
That'S really like all this stuff about Bill Maher talking about Talk to your, don't cancel over Thanksgiving. It's the right wingers.
- [101:12]
Sam Cedar
Yep.
- [101:12]
Matt
It's the right wingers who become the problem. Everyone else gets along.
- [101:16]
Sam Cedar
Yeah.
- [101:16]
Matt
But it's the people who get on with like, how dare you Criticize Israel. You must be secretly anti Semitic or, I mean, whatever. It's hard. Trump is so low right now, it's hard to even remember what my, like, Trumper family members were on about now. Like, and I haven't been home this year, but, you know, back in the day, it was like them that was the problem. Like, you have such an issue with me not having an issue with Kaepernick that it's gonna create an atmosphere.
- [101:47]
Sam Cedar
Yeah.
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Matt
Are you out of your fucking mind?
- [101:49]
Sam Cedar
Right? Not that. Aaron says, thankfully my mom loves me more than Israel, so our relationship is intact, but that's not the case for a lot of young Jews in their.
- [102:00]
Matt
Parents should do better.
- [102:01]
Sam Cedar
Yep.
- [102:01]
Matt
That's who needs to do better.
- [102:02]
Sam Cedar
Yep.
- [102:03]
Matt
It's not the young Jews, it's their parents.
- [102:05]
Sam Cedar
Not that. Aaron says, As a Jewish 26 year old that went to Jewish day school for eight years, the brainwashing is cool. Copious on the Zionist side. And the more times I went to Israel, the more anti Zionist I became. Cole from Cincinnati. Also remember public universal friend from colonial America. Not sure what you mean by that, Senate twink. Also, most trans women will tell you the line between love and violence from men is razor thin. This might be a good opportunity for me to talk about heated rivalry. I. I know that I would. Can't get away with this with Sam and Matt. I know you haven't seen this show, but I just want to talk about it as a phenomenon because I'm obsessed with it. The finale's coming up and I, you know, I didn't. My friend pitched me on it, and now so many of my friends are watching this. And I was like, okay, this is like, you know, a, like a smutty show. Right? And that's what I'd heard about it. And it is that, particularly at the beginning. But I just, I can't. The phenomenon of this is just. I feel like a little bit political too. And it's not just because that character Kip kind of looks like Charlie Kirk. He's very handsome. He's very handsome, but like a more handsome version of Charlie Kirk. It's just that, like, that this show, it feels like wokeness is back a little bit with the show. And, um, it's. I think the reason that so many women and queer people are drawn to this is because, like, I've never seen a show like this that shows male, like, sensuality and, and, and, and comfort and love. And that isn't. Well, one, a lot of gay shows that involve gay romance, like, or movies they'll end in, like, tragedy. I mean, Brokeback Mountain is very, very infamously so. But. And that, I think, is, like, reflective of history. But to have this more positive show where there's. There is sensuality, but there's, like, a lack of a misogynistic gaze, and there's. There's. There's no undertone of violence that sometimes I feel like shows that involve, like, women being sexual in them have. And it's like this just very, I don't know, safe space from this, like, really toxic, kind of violent, masculine culture that we're all a part of right now. I think that's why it's getting so much traction. And like, that the. It has this yearning quality, too. Like the best romances of the 21st century, in my view. Movies. Just. Just indulge me for a second. Like, romance movies are, like, Carol, amazing, Call Me by youy Name, Moonlight. Those are the ones that come to mind. And they're all, like, queer romances. They have this, like, yearning element involved in it. And that's, I think, what makes people love this show so much. But it's just like, the. There's something so intoxicating and romantic about this. Very. Like, it's in a sport, right? And it's a sport that I love having, like, these men show such tenderness to one another. It's like, it makes me feel safe when I watch it. I'm getting read talking about it, but it's. It's. It's. It is. It is my safe space. And I think it's a lot of people's safe space right now. If you're not a straight man, if you're watching the show, just because, like, you know, right now our culture is very violent, and we have a rapist as president, for example. And so, I don't know, I'm just obsessed with it. I do want to laugh a little bit about some of the hockey elements of it because, like, the two main guys are. They had to make them the first overall and second overall picks that are in love with each other on rival teams, and they both win. Like, both are captains, both win this equivalent of the Stanley Cup. It's like, all right, can we not get, like, a third liner here to make it more realistic? And then the third gay guy is also, like, the captain of the New York Rangers. It's just. I just love the. The. Anyway, the element of it being fantastical in that way. So that's me talking about heated rivalry. I'm very excited for the finale.
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Matt
People are Asking. Yeah, that's heated rivalry.
- [106:34]
Sam Cedar
Yes, yes, yes. How bizarre. By OMC says, please warn your friends about the dangers of hockey culture. Vox populi. I love you bringing up heated rivalry. It's so good. It is so good. I just. I literally will, like, be walking around and start getting teary thinking about their romance. It's so unbelievable.
- [107:01]
Matt
I mean, I told you.
- [107:02]
Sam Cedar
Oh, yeah, sorry. I think men, some straight men will watch this and think, like, oh, it's fetishizing. Because women want to see straight women want to see these men hooking up these beautiful men. But it's. It's actually. I mean, there's a lot of, like, lesbians that are into it too. And it. Because. It. Because it is, like, a safe show that I, you know, I hadn't been able to articulate it before, but it's outside of, like, a misogynistic male gaze, and that's, like, revelatory in many ways. So. All right, I'm done talking about heated rivalry.
- [107:35]
Matt
I mean, I don't understand. I probably won't check it out, but.
- [107:41]
Sam Cedar
It'S fine.
- [107:41]
Matt
But it reminds me of I was hearing on a podcast, a woman talk about how she and her friends are into F1, which I never understood. Like, I'm not into. I've never into nascar, never into any kind of racing really. But it's all for that sort of similar reason, which is like, men, women enjoying being voyeurs into male relationships.
- [108:04]
Sam Cedar
Yes, yes, yes.
- [108:06]
Matt
That's interesting.
- [108:07]
Sam Cedar
And this show is so tender too, where it's like, you know, I think we're just starved for healthy, tender masculinity. And that's what, like, show me.
- [108:16]
Matt
Don't know the rules.
- [108:17]
Sam Cedar
It feels so refreshing. And so the finale comes out, like, I think the day after Christmas, but on Christmas, like, 11:59, the midnight going into the 26th, and I'm gonna have to find a way to leave my family or, like, wake up to watch it at midnight. Anyway, so thanks for indulging me. You want to get back to politics?
- [108:42]
Matt
To a Zionist?
- [108:43]
Sam Cedar
Okay, maybe I'll read some IMs and just calm down a little bit and then get back to it. Dan the man. I think Schitt's Creek did the same thing for me during quarantine. It was a town with no racism or homophobia. Funny. Both Canadian shows. Haha. It is also the Canadian quality of it too. Oh, and the actors are like. Like they not Nepo babies came out of nowhere. Like the guy was working as a waiter, almost getting fired. They're like, I mean that's what's also fun. New, fresh like talent in the fresh meat. I mean the Nepo baby things. Overrated. There's plenty talented people like that. But I just mean it is cool to see like fresh new faces come out of nowhere. Henry Gold, Another great show with queer Gay Romance is the FX show adults. Paul Baker is a king amongst men. Yes. Yes. Eric from Montana. Romantic love is a modern myth. The world has always been violent. Stop watching and reading nonsense. K love you. How dare you, Eric. Dave from Jamaica woke 2.0. A little meaner but the right amount. Yep. Noel from San Francisco had to google it, but public universal friend claimed to have died and be reanimated as a genderless evangelist in 1776. Interesting. Alex. I am another one of those kids who became anti Zionist after going to Israel on a birthright trip in 2017. There you go. Ramona Frankenstein, Benny Johnson. Yelling about trans people is so effing cringe. Nobody gives a shit about what this bottom has to say about anything. I love that we assume he's a bottom. What was that?
- [110:28]
Donald Trump
Panties?
- [110:29]
Matt
God.
- [110:31]
Sam Cedar
I would not. I feel like he does have bottom energy, if I may say so myself. Just because I'm an ally and I love heated rivalry.
- [110:40]
Matt
Now you can do classification.
- [110:44]
Sam Cedar
Dizzle McFizzle. Nikki is a non citizen married to a sex offender and her brother is a. Wow. Yeah, rough.
- [110:52]
Matt
Let's hear what they have to say about trans people. Crazy how that is. Trans people are like the, like they just eat all the bull, all the shit from all the worst people in the entire world. Trying to like point to a different direction.
- [111:04]
Donald Trump
Yep.
- [111:07]
Sam Cedar
Fabulous. My boss used to own family owned sweater factories in Brooklyn during the 90s. The jobs were exported. He recently had a friend ask if he wanted to rebuild factories in the US and he said absolutely not. As someone who did everything right by our government, you will always get screwed over. The manufacturing jobs are not coming back. He is retiring next year.
- [111:27]
Matt
I mean, Steve Jobs also said that to Obama. It was a huge, like a huge quote that like loomed over Obama's entire administration when he said that those jobs aren't coming back. And the truth is, why are we listening to a fucking capitalist to determine what our economic agenda is? The idea that Steve Jobs, who couldn't even keep himself alive because he like had quack medical advice knew anything about the wider economy. You want to make a good fucking phone.
- [111:55]
Sam Cedar
Yep.
- [111:55]
Matt
And that was it. And yet we treated them like an oracle. And guess what? Like it turns out government policy had some stimulative effect towards manufacturing. It's all been destroyed now because of Trump. But like we can do this if we wanted to. It's just. Do people like Steve Jobs and all the rich people, like, are they going to have to pony up with all the money that they've made from destroying our capacity?
- [112:18]
Sam Cedar
Yep. Ryan from Santa Monica. I studied journalism. I was an editor of my college newspaper. You give targets of an investigation the chance to comment, but their refusal, if anything, makes publishing more important. Yeah. Graham Page. Why didn't Barry ask for comment from Tyler Robinson for the Erica Kirk town hall Epstein files in your stocking. I'm so torn. I want the truth to come out, but some of these stories are just awful. Well, the victims want them out. Right. So yeah.
- [112:46]
Matt
No, that is a thing I think people do have to calibrate. And I saw Caroline Kwan tweeted about this like the memeification of this like people like we're talking about preteen and fourteen year old girls.
- [113:03]
Sam Cedar
Yep.
- [113:03]
Matt
Like this is a monstrosity that is being sort of forced into the open. It's not like it's not just embarrassing photos of people you don't like and want to see embarrassed. They did horrible things. There are massive amounts of victims and like I mean violence in. In terms of like keeping this covered up.
- [113:28]
Sam Cedar
Bubba the Horse. I doubt Cesar Soyuk Sayoc would be able of hurting capable of hurting Epstein. He seems like a kind of loser but he might be a good stooge take the blame if something happened to Epstein which is plausible theory.
- [113:41]
Matt
That's a very good theory.
- [113:42]
Sam Cedar
Yeah.
- [113:46]
Matt
Although the question would have been like it probably should be for Jack Ruby. Like why is that person with that biography there at that moment a hundred percent.
- [113:59]
Sam Cedar
Rural lefty. Emma, thank you so much for this TV culture talk. Another Canadian hockey show suggestion is sure to say based on the character from the popular show Leather Kenn. All right. I'm assistant cousin. I guess I'm the only one who has my assistant pick up my underwear from the dry cleaners on the way to get $10 bananas. Chad Lander. I don't know if this I am bracer safe spacer Helps if a Russell Brand just got charged with rape and sexual assault.
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Matt
Wow. Wow.
- [114:32]
Sam Cedar
Science is political. Emma, that recap wasn't long enough. I need more details. Well, I just, I can't. I don't know if I can keep talking it with no other input from. From Matt or anything. So like I just had to wrap it up.
- [114:44]
Matt
I was trying to find Trump saying panties.
- [114:49]
Sam Cedar
What should we get to here?
- [114:51]
Matt
Let's do Dr. Casey Babb.
- [114:53]
Sam Cedar
Okay, Matt, explain to me who Dr. Casey Babb is.
- [114:58]
Matt
Canadian Zionist who had something to say about the free press here about Zora Mamdani, and, you know, you'll see why I knew this was going to upset us.
- [115:08]
Sam Cedar
Okay. All right. I won't even look at the tweet. This is a cold Matt clip I haven't seen yet or even read about. And he says it's going to make me mad. So great.
- [115:20]
Matt
You know, we're sitting here in New York. You have a relatively young man who's set to be mayor who could not bring himself to condemn Hamas. Hamas killed my friend's cousin. Hamas killed eight Canadians. Hamas killed the equivalent of somewhere in the range of 50,000Americans. That's a death cult.
- [115:43]
Sam Cedar
I don't mean to be a jerk.
- [115:44]
Matt
Let's see this part here.
- [115:45]
Sam Cedar
Palestinians, like my friends Israel killed my entire family and my friend's entire family and then my other friend's entire family.
- [115:53]
Matt
That's the thing I think that I want to zero in on About Dr. Dr. Casey Babb is I think he values human life. Not all the same.
- [116:02]
Sam Cedar
No. A Zionist.
- [116:03]
Matt
So his friend's friend or whatever, and listen to the little equation he comes up with here. Killed eight Canadians. Hamas killed the equivalent of somewhere in the range of 50,000Americans. That's a death cult. You get that? They killed somewhere in the rain. The equivalent of somewhere in the range of 50,000Americans. Do you even know what he's trying to say?
- [116:25]
Sam Cedar
There's no.
- [116:28]
Matt
He's doing that thing that they did at the beginning, after October 7th.
- [116:33]
Sam Cedar
Oh, multiplying it by population size.
- [116:35]
Matt
Exactly. I don't quite understand how he arrives at 50,000 based on that, but, like, this is insane.
- [116:43]
Sam Cedar
Yeah.
- [116:45]
Matt
I say you because he consider him a Zionist. Zionists killed way more than that in Palestine, and that's not the equivalent in raw numbers.
- [116:55]
Sam Cedar
And first of all, I'm looking this guy up. This is one of his quotes from recent. Zionism is not conquest. It's the greatest indigenous success story in human history.
- [117:04]
Matt
Yes, I saw. I saw this one, too, actually. Em and I had the same impulses to go to this guy's Twitter account and find dumb stuff he said. This is a funny one that I saw. Starting a war and then losing it isn't genocide. Okay, which doesn't even make sense.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah, because, like, he's.
- [117:24]
Matt
He's basically saying Hamas is not guilty of genocide based on his terms, of course. We would say, like the sort of War conditions sort of go maybe when the start of people being occupied, I don't know. Right.
- [117:36]
Sam Cedar
He's admitting that Hamas and start said war on October 7th by accident. What a dummy.
- [117:41]
Matt
You're either admitting that Israel started the war or that Hamas failed at genocide. But isn't doing, isn't doing genocide.
- [117:50]
Sam Cedar
Yeah. Then who is doing genocide? Begs the question, and this is the.
- [117:54]
Matt
Sort of thing like this is the best that Zionism can produce. Barry Weiss and guys like this who I will say full throatedly charlatan, A charlatan who the world should close their ears to people like this. When there are horrible incidents that, that are the result of hate, like what happened in Australia, we should all take very seriously the words of people who are genuinely opposed to hate and violence. And that excludes every single supporter of Israel that has continued their support, especially through these past few years. We should close our ears to them entirely. They have nothing to offer.
- [118:34]
Sam Cedar
You're not on just so you know. But yeah, on camera, yeah, it's okay. But if we were to do so, we had Anthony Aguilar on who said, again, he's not a doctor. We don't have the ability to estimate the death toll right now or to know the true death toll. But anybody who I take seriously on this topic, hundreds of thousands, okay? Hundreds of thousands. Because the bodies that we have that we can count, the people who are dead, they were either treated in a hospital or they were not categorized as excess deaths as Dr. Tarek Bubhani described to us, meaning dying of starvation. There are just thousands and thousands of people under the rubble who, when they're just crushed to death, people can't dig them out. They don't have the ability to bring them to a hospital because like what's the point? You just killed my entire family. They're not being classified in the death toll. And there's hundreds of thousands of people considered missing that are just presumed dead cuz they couldn't even leave Gaza because Israel controls the entire border, land and sea. And then you know, Egypt was participating in as well. So those people are just dead. So if you were to take the $500,000, 500,000 person estimate that Aguilar gave to us and apply it to the US population, that would be 85 million people.
- [119:52]
Matt
And you know what? Normal people don't need to do that equation, right? Normal people don't need to see like, oh you know what, it's that many 9, 11s or whatever. Normal people see death and say ah, let's try to Minimize that.
- [120:07]
Sam Cedar
Yep.
- [120:08]
Matt
And so. So let's let him play a little bit more, cousin. Hamas killed eight Canadians. Hamas killed the equivalent of somewhere in the range of 50,000Americans. That's a death cult. And so when you have an individual like that, or heads of universities or heads of unions or heads of hospitals who have lost the ability to come out with any sort of sense of moral courage or common sense, the opposite has happened since you don't just signal to the most dangerous people among us and abroad that this is sort of okay. It's as though you hold the door open for them and you say, come in. Kill us. Come in, my friend. And it's astounding. And that to me, is among the most dangerous things that you could ever have imagined. You know, it's one thing for a terrorist attack to happen. It's another thing to just leave it at thoughts and prayers.
- [121:23]
Sam Cedar
Oh, my God, you know what? I. The Zionists, they do this with LGBTQ and inclusive rhetoric in the US because they know they've got the right wing forces on their side. So they throw out this deeply racist view of Palestinians where they basically say, we're going to say that these uncivilized folks are not a part of our, like, liberal coastal values. Like if you talk to wealthy, like democratic Zionists, for example, they, if they're still Zionists, they're pretty right wing economically, but they'll give. They'll say things like, I support gay people and I support gun control. I mean, I've literally had these conversations and those are, I guess, the ways that another right wing Zionist gets them on their side. Nothing about like anything structural, colonialism, capitalism, etc. Because the people that are going to be more swayed by those kinds of things in absence of changing the way our government is structured, are the target audience. Wealthy, coastal center right Zionist that may be voting Democrat, but maybe not anymore.
- [122:43]
Matt
Yeah, put it on my lawyer hat. Objectively, on October 7, Hamas committed war crimes taking civilian hostages. That's against international law history. Cap on. People understand that October 7th was provoked by Israel's own long standing pattern of war crimes and conquest. And anybody who is. And he talks about keeping the door open. For the rest of my career in media, I will be working to close the door on people like this that don't want people to understand something like October 7th as anything other than savage terrorism. And the people that want you to think that are racists that are doing undergoing a terrorist project of their own. And it's continuing. The West Bank. Does Casey have anything to say about that, I'd be very curious. But what he feels like emphasizing is that Zoram Hamdani is opening the door to terrorists. I don't appreciate anyone, even Americans, talking that way about somebody that I put in as mayor or somebody that our unions put in to lead unions. I don't appreciate somebody saying, you are opening the door to terrorism. Because actually, I want to make that allegation against this, that people like Casey have opened the door and covered all of our fucking hands in blood because of how we approached what happened on October 7, because we failed utterly to put it into any kind of historical context. Why does this happen? Why is there a refugee camp that is decades and decades and decades old? Why is there something called the occupied territories that we just let Israel rule over and, like, distribute military justice over for fucking ever? It's because of people like this. Because we've said, in order to be fair, we need to keep the door open for fucking charlatans that say shit like the equivalent of 50,000Americans die, get fucked.
- [124:45]
Sam Cedar
Yeah, well, again, and there's no the equivalence that I just talked about 50,000 to 86 million. You want to do raw numbers. They don't see Palestinians as human beings. No, they don't. They don't. And they are no different. That guy is no different than Richard Spencer, than Nick Fuentes, than David Duke. No difference.
- [125:06]
Matt
Holocaust deniers. All of them.
- [125:08]
Sam Cedar
All of them. And I saw Ryan Grimm share this piece, and I guess it was a month old or so, but I really recommend people read it because it was quite cathartic for me. I just want to read from the last few paragraphs of it. Bruno Macajes, I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing it, wrote it on his sub stack. It's called Gaza the Reckoning. But just speaking about the defenders of Israel at this point, my sense that something deeper is at play first arose in the first debates on Gaza that I accepted to join. Often I would get distracted contemplating the people in front of me. They seemed like children, people thirsting for authority. They needed only an implausible story to believe. When they were told to believe what they were told about Israel, it seemed that the most absurd the story, the better for them. The story could even change. And it did. Israel would never bomb a hospital. Or maybe it would if it had some tunnels underneath. Or maybe no tunnels were needed, just the presence of some presumed Hamas fighter. Or a camera, even if it was a Reuters camera. By the end, Israel had destroyed every single hospital in Gaza, those people were also singularly devoid of empathy. Worse, it seemed that they prized cruelty as a kind of status signifier. To enjoy cruelty was a sign of belonging to the strong, the winners, while sympathizing with the children in Gaza, just indicated, as Trump likes to say, that there might be something Palestinian about you. They are people obsessed with their careers, their professional success, but they are also obsessed with having their opinions coincide with the social consensus. I sent this, Matt, if you want to put it up, I'm reading a good amount of it. In pursuit of these goals, they accept no moral restraints of any kind. Their psychology is the psychology of the mob willing to do anything provided their leaders assure them they are good little boys and girls. Those defending Israel have no courage, no curiosity, no sense of duty, no character. They are far from adults or fully formed individuals, and they are infinitely proud of that. Their personality leaves no room for intellect or superego. I noticed the pattern where, like the television star Van Jones, they laughed happily when talking about dead children in Gaza.
- [127:21]
Matt
The infantilization there that they're not full adults is evidenced by the fact of the fixation that they have on Jewish day school. Did something fail there? Did we not teach them enough about how we need to support Israel there? Or all of the focus that people like Bill Ackman have done to college campuses?
- [127:39]
Sam Cedar
Yep, if there is a collapse in Western societies, it is not merely a collapse of media or political structures. It is much worse. It may well be a collapse of the human personality. Human beings do not emerge fully formed from the earth always and everywhere. They are social creations. But what our societies are creating no longer seem like human beings. Often during the last two years, I felt that to point out the facts were to miss the point. I felt like someone in a movie theater who insists on noting the physical impossibilities in some science fiction movie. While everyone simply wants to enjoy the thrills, all the thrills of violence and cruelty. Gaza has become our Westworld, the place where hidden fantasies of violence and cruelty are given free reign. What are these personalities? Who are these monsters we seem to have created all around us? People so ready to use other human beings as objects for their most primal and animal desires, having previously transformed them into video game characters. What has gone wrong in our societies that we no longer seem able to create or raise human beings? That is the most important question we can ask in the world we now inhabit. The world after Gaza. Yeah, that's what. That's what that guy made me think of. A complete lack of humanity.
- [128:54]
Matt
I mean, and you've seen this the entire time since October 7, is who is actually able to represent the Israeli side. And they've gone through so many spokespeople, and they've all been fucking jokes. They. It's like Alan Dershowitz is still given, like, a prime speaker spot when it comes to, like, if we're doing a debate in support of Israel, it's. It's nasty, nasty people. And so, like, all this stuff about the polls and who polls well, and what does the poll say when it actually comes to somebody putting their face to this? And it turns out that a lot of people can't do it. That maybe, like, when you see, like, especially, like, older Jews that are polled on Israel, like, they might have some feeling based on propaganda, but what is actually getting there to make that case? It's people like Alan Dershowitz. It's people like Benny Morris who just basically accepts. Like, you know what? Sometimes you got to do ethnic cleansing. Sometimes you just have to. But a lot of people don't want to just say that, which is good, because it says that there's at least some humanity left. I mean, Israelis, I think, at this point have been so inculcated with this that maybe they wouldn't. But most people in America find that objectionable. So, like, who is it? Like, it has to be people like Dana Bash and Jake Tapper who act like they're, like, objective or like Jake Sullivan or Anthony Blinken. It's a really tough thing. And God, that Netanyahu, Rahm Emanuel. Oh, that Netanyahu. Everything would be so good if it wasn't for Netanyahu.
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Sam Cedar
Oh, he said that on Pod. Save America. Isn't it amazing? He still thinks he can run for fricking president, but even he is taking the anti Netanyahu line. That will be for everybody looking forward, the centrist line going forward, and that will be wildly insufficient.
- [130:53]
Matt
And you know what? Unfortunately for Rahm, Israel can't be your partner in this, buddy, because you're trying to go on pot. Save America saying, Israel be so great because it has no threats around it. Jordan, all these. All these. All these allies ready to make deals, but Netanyahu is stamping on it. They can't. Israel must at all times project itself as under existential threat. If not the whole project doesn't make a lick of fucking sense. It doesn't make any sense that we give them all this weapons. It doesn't make any sense that we look the other way, that they're used for war crimes. None of this makes any sense that Americans communities are being hollowed out as we give billions and billions, even a quarter fifth of a trillion dollars to Israel since 1948. And people, maybe people should start thinking like what would have happened if that was reinvested in America?
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Sam Cedar
Well, that's why I think it's the most salient political argument that you could possibly make and where you and I, I know are in full agreement about like we can make the wonky case for modern monetary theory, but the way that we make this politically salient is why are your tax dollars going for the to this. And you can't afford child care, you can't afford health care. We can do this, can't afford housing. And you can make this but 19 more settlements. Right, but, but how do you, and you can connect that to the anti billionaire argument too? Claw the wealth back and reinvest it. It doesn't need to mean that that's exactly how our government functions. I get it. I understand that the idea of like treating the government like a business or whatever, it's a false and there isn't that scarcity that it's a false notion. But politically it's the right, it's the right way to message on this.
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Matt
Who's the anti Zionist billionaire? Name one.
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Sam Cedar
I know, right? Maybe we won't have time for calls. Actually we want to run through some clips too because we won't be around for a little while while we're on the depressing stuff. I did want to do this ICE raid that I came across. So ICE this is was in September and this segment came out in November. So definitely a little bit behind on this. But we have to highlight these horrible, horrible rates. This is I think one of the biggest in New York that occurred on September 4th. This segment from Syracuse.com aired around a month ago, but I saw clips recirculating today on Twitter about this. And here you will see federal agents going into this nutrition bar plant and breaking into the woman's bathroom. And there's a woman using the toilet. And you'll see some of this body cam footage how these thugs are operating in just places where they're trying to make nutrition bars. These are workers making just products and trying to go about their daily lives. Here is some of that footage from syracuse.com agents stopped production, yelled at people in bathroom stalls and ordered most of the workers to line up in a hot break room.
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Donald Trump
Open the door.
- [134:30]
Matt
Habana la puerta.
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Sam Cedar
That. Resistance.
- [134:42]
Matt
Back up.
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Sam Cedar
Get down.
- [134:52]
Matt
Get down. Females, females, females, females.
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Donald Trump
Miss.
- [135:01]
Matt
Pull up Your pants.
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Sam Cedar
Come out of the bathroom. Pull up your pants.
- [135:04]
Matt
Come out of the bathroom. Pull up your pants. Come out of the bathroom. Okay, okay. Please hurry.
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Donald Trump
Okay.
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Matt
How much are you paying these pigs to stomp around women's bathrooms?
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Sam Cedar
A female females. You can tell in their voice. Like they're not even using police parlance.
- [135:27]
Matt
No, these guys couldn't go after an actual scary person.
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Sam Cedar
Right. They think of themselves as Liam Neeson. They're like fucking Mr. Bean wearing their fucking masks.
- [135:37]
Matt
And how much are we paying for. How many guys are there? What are they making? Like, I don't know, $300 a day to go stomp around women's bathrooms?
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Sam Cedar
Well, aren't we worried about trans people and women's. Trans women in women's restrooms. I thought that was the real threat. Turns out, like ICE agents, masked ICE agents kidnapping people. There have been reports of sexual abuse. There have been dozens of.
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Matt
Absolutely happened.
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Sam Cedar
Dozens of people who have died in ICE custody. One of the most underreported stories in the country. They're killing them. Let alone denying pregnant women care and all of this other stuff. I mean, like there is going to be mass abuse that we hear about of women and girls by these freaks. Guarantee it. The glee that they have of going into the women's bathroom right here. I mean, you see how violence and sexual violence are the exact same.
- [136:41]
Matt
There is a limited number of resources that the government has to go after who let's probably call bad guys. I would not personally stretch that to those resources to go after women making nutrition bars when there is actually a huge human trafficking, sex crimes stuff going on. All that stuff not being looked into now because they pulled FBI agents on off of it to go, I guess, investigate whether granola bars are being made by an illegal person or not. Undocumented person. The answer to this is make those people citizens. Allow them to continue contributing to the fucking community without the threat that they're undocumented. That has always been there. That have kept them in their place. But people want to put them in their place. That's what's happening now.
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Sam Cedar
Watch a little more of this. They asked each person one by one whether they were US Citizens. You good? I was just getting a little hot as.
- [137:58]
Matt
Holy. Shouldn't you know who's a citizen who's not if you're stomping into bathrooms? You pig.
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Sam Cedar
Hope he's having a good time. It's all this in here in this like horrible workplace where people are paid minimum wage at best. Let's round them up and incarcerate them. Okay, so those are being checked. Yes. Citizens. Okay.
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Matt
Everything in there is not us.
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Sam Cedar
This is Nazi guys. Let's go. The quicker we do this, the quicker we get through it. Right? Come to this side. Come up in the front. To the side. No, you're not going in your locker. No. And I'll take the pen. I'll take it. Thank you. The way they talk to these people. No, you're not going in your locker room. You have your papers.
- [139:07]
Matt
It's important that everybody makes sure that you show up for jury duty if you're so summoned so that in case you get a case that involved any sort of people. Person resisting these fascist pigs in American. Uncle Sam paid for uniforms that you say, no, no charges, absolutely nothing. Let him walk. Anybody who's resisting this, in my opinion, is hero. A hero. And the idea like, and all this bullshit about we're going after these criminals. No, you're not. You're not. You're sending these fat fucking schmucks.
- [139:49]
Sam Cedar
That.
- [139:49]
Matt
You know, their wives are probably glad they're out of the house. That's probably the one good thing that's happening here. They get a little break from domestic violence and you're sending them to go bully people. Go bully. Women who work in a factory could not be more disgusting.
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Sam Cedar
Wyoming. Ryan, any repercussions for the granola business having undocumented women on their staff? I don't understand how it's okay for one, but not the other. You might recall in welcome to the Machine in Florida. Do you remember that revolt from some of the business owners when there was an attempt to do something where they would crack down on businesses if they hired undocumented workers? And they like, flipped out at the DeSantis administration because that's the whole point.
- [140:30]
Matt
Yeah. Donald Trump did it himself.
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Sam Cedar
Their business model relies on treating their workers like garbage. And the easiest people to treat like garbage are people who are have full citizenship rights and that they know that the Trump administration, or really the Biden administration even, they can threaten to deport that person. Scary Mountain wizard. This stuff makes me so mad. Well, same. I can't promise that I won't go to federal prison if these clowns come into my workplace and take my co workers.
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Matt
Well, don't do that.
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Sam Cedar
Don't do that. Don't. No.
- [141:06]
Matt
But people should organize in large. Like one thing about one battle after another is. It really does.
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Sam Cedar
I was just thinking about it too.
- [141:15]
Matt
Yeah. Yeah. Obviously individualized acts of violence are horrible and are actually going to give Trump and those folks what they want. People being smart about, organized and embedding in the community and organizing alongside others is what needs to happen.
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Sam Cedar
I hope people have seen it by now. But that's one of the main messages of that film, contrasting like more a form of activism that like is revolutionary but misguided and perhaps like driven by, you know, righteous anger but ego versus a network of solidarity, you know, emphasized by the Benicio del Toro character that I thought the politics of that film were phenomenal.
- [142:03]
Matt
I mean it's Fred Hampton when he's talking about the Weather Underground and saying we don't get. We don't put people into situations where they're going to get mowed down by the pigs. And people that do are acting like Custer, which for a 21 year old I thought was a great historical reference.
- [142:19]
Sam Cedar
Teacher Dan Holy shit. Where are Obama, Clinton's policy, the supposed opposition icons?
- [142:27]
Matt
They're trying to get you to tamp down and talk about Medicare for all for the primaries.
- [142:31]
Sam Cedar
Yeah. Anonymous Thomas Jefferson once said, the tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants. There's going to be a lot of refreshed trees at the end of 2026 and 2028. Metaphorical blood, yes. BRB forever. I'm running behind on the feed, so maybe you've already mentioned it, but if not, Emma had a great conversation with John Marcos Cerisi and Russell Daniels that was released on YouTube this morning. I did not mention it, so thank you for promoting that for me. Cowardly lion you guys. Thank you guys for an incredible year. I have been listening to you guys for a few years now and have been a member since the beginning of the year. You have always brightened my mornings. I'm on the west coast and keep me informed through these times. Love you guys. Stay safe. Happy holidays and left is best. Thank you to the West Coast Cowardly lion for that. Got real estate Emma I am not sure if I missed it, but can you repeat when Mr. Is back live as this is the last show of the year. I also want to take a moment to thank you Sam and the entire Mr. Crew for another super great year. The show is essential to maintaining my sanity. Left his best I thought you were joking because I feel like Sam like mentioned the timeline of our shows like 40 times or like that this was the last live show but I think we still don't have full clarity. I think probably Sam and I might do a stream together like an ask me anything on the 2nd but if not we'll be back live on the 5th sym. This painting of all Palestinians as uniformly homophobic is sickening, but also just incorrect.
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Matt
Yep, that's a sign of. I mean, it's just imperial propaganda.
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Sam Cedar
Luke from New Mexico. Emma, my wife is inviting you to her heated rivalry themed birthday party this weekend. I know it's a little last minute and it's in New Mexico, but I'm sure you can make it. I mean, it sounds amazing, but I will have to be celebrating Christmas, unfortunately, instead of watching not for Christmas heated or listening to the interviews of the actors. Anyway, sip Spiff Flow. Thank you, Emma, for saying we have a mental health crisis in this country because we don't have universal health care. You are framing the issue in a light that reveals its true causes and does not deflect from the seriousness of the gun violence we face every day. Thank you for keeping it real and keeping all of us mostly sane. Appreciate you. Max Vax. Let me call in so I can talk to Matt about computer hardware for 10 minutes. We're gonna read some items and then we'll be out of here.
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Matt
I'm gonna have a new PC bed next time. You hear me?
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Sam Cedar
Whoa, Bukele. I watched Brokerage Mountain for the first time shortly after Trump was sworn in this year and I really thought you can't make movies like this anymore. Just to be immediately prov. I forgot how art tends to flourish under conservative administrations. Brokeback also came out under Bush. That's true.
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Matt
Thank you, Naive Bukele. Yes.
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Sam Cedar
Woke naive bukele. Henry Gold. Another great show with. I already read that one. Lawn Chair Media. Kind of an aside, but related. But I've been reading a lot about testosterone and doctors that run a fitness website, Barbell Medicine, discussing how the trend of lower testosterone levels in men is misleading. It was measured inaccurately in the past and was also distorted by smoking, which artificially inflates levels. Plus, in sports, muscle mass is more important than T levels, which is why men are usually stronger than women. There's Olympic lift that get tested and some have unusually low levels but are immensely strong. Some women have unusually high levels too. Exactly. Exactly.
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Matt
Glad I didn't destroy my body's ability to produce testosterone by starting my own regimen before hearing that.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah, Tom Cotton's Blood Lust. These tpusa people don't believe a word out of their own mouths. No wonder they're endorsing the entirely principleless Jorkanthen Dinkle Vance.
- [146:52]
Matt
I mean, look at Cash Bungee or Cash Bongino. Patel and Dan Bongino like yeah.
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Sam Cedar
All right, five more trilly flops. I love that this is taking Nikki down but it sad to me that it's taken people so long to wake up to how bad of a person she is. For years she verbally harassed her husband and brother's victims, both of which are convicted child molesters. She's been able to hide this well, but with her pivot to the right she can finally be with the people she shares morals with.
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Matt
Big 10 over there.
- [147:27]
Sam Cedar
Portnoy's HR complaint says Emma drinking Miller through a straw is wild. You guys are getting a lot of respect in twitch chat Poggers it's better for lipstick. It's drinking from a can while I'm wearing lips from a can while wearing lipstick is not fun. Not that Aaron I already read that. Shoot. Nassau county spokesperson shout out to some Long island progressives running for Congress. Lucas venturas in New York 01 and Garrett Peterson New York 2. Let's get some good candidates in 3 and 4. That's very encouraging. NYC driver my fiance is Canadian. My crazy gun theory is that kids in Canada learn more love because of year long maternity and six month paternity they have somewhat similar percentage of gun ownership on the community level but drastically different outcomes. Of course they also have a semi auto ban. They also have universal or they have a national health service.
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Matt
Yeah I mean that's the other thing is like people mentioned I saw the anti vaxxer being like look at this Scandinavian country that doesn't vaccinate as aggressively. It's like they have national health care.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah.
- [148:47]
Matt
Fucking idiot.
- [148:49]
Sam Cedar
A run with a view says if you go see one picture of Gaza normal people know what the fuck is going on. These people are so delusional it's mind blowing. Daniela As a teacher my gender dysphoria was ignored by doctors but then my atypical puberty was grounds for trying to pressure bully me into having breast reduction at 14. But the guardians of pedophiles say they're trans and kids so what can you really believe? Three more Joe Snuffy when my brigade got briefed on how to use the new gen AI tools Hexaf is trying to force upon us we were told that it could be at most could at most produce a 30% solution and that we were expected to both use it and to correct why mistakes it makes. I think you mean what mistakes it makes. But we had to make a note in any documents we produce which used any AI toolkit that they were made by AI. These tools are like incompetent nepotistic co worker. An incompetent, nepotistic co worker that we're forced to cover because they're the owner's grandkid.
- [149:55]
Matt
100%. I've been experimenting a little bit with language model, and I put some old, old series of novels into it and asked for connections either explicit or implicit or between the lines, between the novels and characters. And some of them were obvious that I knew and was aware of. I'm like, oh, yeah, I recognize that character appearing there. And I'm like, oh, wow. I didn't even know that character was in that book. And I went to check, and it completely made it up.
- [150:21]
Sam Cedar
Yeah. California resistance. Matt, great point. On jury duty, I got called one a year in the Coachella Valley, California. I'm sure there will be many cases here. Will do my duty. And the final IM of the year, Floridians for Emma. Just wanted to say thanks to the whole Mr. Crew for always making my work weeks better. I'm a baker with a political science degree, and staying sane between the holidays and the shit show of politics right now has been hard, but Mr. Helps a lot. Left is best. Love you guys. Happy holidays. Very sweet. Appreciate you all. Thank you so, so much for the great year. As I mentioned earlier, it's been a good one, folks. I mean, it's been a tough year politically in many ways, but, I mean.
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Matt
I guess I'd have to call it an improvement on 2024. 2024 sucks.
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Sam Cedar
Yeah. @.
- [151:18]
Matt
Least. Like, I don't know. I mean, look, both of them are trash. I mean, it hasn't really been a good year for about a thousand years.
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Sam Cedar
Right? Right. So is darkest before the dawn, folks. All right, we will see you in 2025. Bye. Bye. Oh, shoot. We will see you in 2026. Try that.
- [151:35]
Matt
Again. It might take all the strength.
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Donald Trump
I got to get to where I.
- [151:43]
Matt
I want But I know somehow I'm.
- [151:48]
Donald Trump
Gonna get.
- [151:49]
Matt
There I wasn't looking when I just got caught between the truth.
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Sam Cedar
And the lighting out Won't make me.
- [152:01]
Donald Trump
Feel any.
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Sam Cedar
Better yeah, I know the clock is ticking but the meds are gonna kick in and my pilot light shining.
- [152:16]
Donald Trump
Bright I get somewhere the choice.
- [152:21]
Matt
Was made for the option where you.
- [152:24]
Sam Cedar
Don'T get paid for the road that.
- [152:27]
Donald Trump
Bends before it finally breaks.
- [152:30]
Sam Cedar
You I.
- [152:33]
Donald Trump
Get somebody else lost my drive between.
- [152:36]
Sam Cedar
The 101 and the 5 do you know how far the teacher takes you? Yeah, I know the clock is ticking but the man's not gonna kick in and my pilot light shining.
- [152:57]
Donald Trump
Bright. While I shifted in and out.
- [153:19]
Matt
Of gear, waiting for my moment to.
- [153:24]
Sam Cedar
Happen. I don't know how much longer.
- [153:29]
Matt
I can stay in or how much.
- [153:31]
Sam Cedar
More I got to pay to.
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Matt
Play. I know.