A (6:39)

But Preddy was also filming. Like, when we're saying, like, just to bring back to the overarching theme, they are terrified of having accountability. They can't get ahead of the story. Like, you know, there was the killing of that man. I'm blanking on his name.

D (6:52)

Porter.

A (6:52)

Keith Porter, by ice. And there's no video of it. So they can characterize it however they want. But the reason they brutalized Preddy and the reason they brutalized the woman in that video was because they were filming them.

B (7:04)

So the ICE agent shoves the woman down onto the ground. Preddy goes to the woman to try and help her up. The ICE agent then pepper sprays both of them in the face. And Preddy is attempting to protect the woman. And the ICE agent grabs his arm, starts to spin him. Other ICE agents see that this ICE agent has basically tackled now Preddy. So at one point, you have like five or six guys on top of him. They have his arm secured. One of the ICE agents sees that he has a weapon, a holstered weapon. He pulls the weapon he says something to the effect of like, gun or I got his gun. The only real question at this point, and certainly ICE has not made this allegation, is that as the guy pulls out, I think it was a Sig 30 was the handgun that Preddy was licensed to carry. There are some people who have speculated that that gun went off by accident and that inspired the other ICE officer who had already drawn his weapon because he heard the word gun. I mean, this is, you know, conjecture a little bit, but just from the video, who knows what was in the minds of them. And he started to fire and he fired at a minimum six shots.

A (8:36)

Right. And there's no dispute about whether or not Preddy had his hand on the weapon. The question is when, if that weapon, if that gun was discharged by, by accident when it was pulled off of him or if the shots were fired and there was no firing from that weaponry by the ICE officer that took it off of him. I. Either way, you'll see when you see the video, of course, I think a lot of people have at this point, he fires multiple rounds into his back. You know, Preddy was a nurse caring for his community, helping a woman. And these wannabe masculine agents shoot a guy. These cowards shot him in the back as he was trying to help a woman on the street. And to your point about like, oh, this wasn't a protest. They keep calling everything an operation. You know, Preddy had. We don't know exactly why he was there, but when you're occupying a city. Yeah, everything is a part of your so called law enforcement operation because you're pulling people out of their cars and terrorizing them on the streets. So anyone that chooses to help apparently is interfering with a law enforcement operation. This is, this is as fascist and authoritarian as it gets.

B (9:49)

The. And so once that, that once they shoot him and seven, seven, six or seven times, it's unclear. The. Let's. I guess we could play this video from after the fact. This would be number four. You will see that one agent is on the ground searching. Preddy basically yelling, where's the gun? Assuming that there was a gun there. And then according to the affidavit of a 29 year old medical, I think student or internist, they would not let that person go and examine Preddy until they showed their license, which of course they don't have their doctor's license on it. And went there and saw that they were not providing any medical assistance to him whatsoever. All they were doing was counting the bullet holes.

C (11:04)

They didn't Want him to live.

B (11:05)

Well, not only that, but understand what they were doing. They were trying to manufacture a story so they could get their story straight. This was all about sort of like retconning the situation and trying to figure out how they were going to get out of it. Good. I need scissors. I need someone to tell me. All right, so you hear him yelling, where's the gun? Where's the gun? And then the other ICE agent who had already taken the gun before the shooting started.

A (11:45)

Right.

B (11:46)

Now, the point of it being that he was holstered, that the gun was holstered is the way that DHS announced what happened is he brought a gun to a protest and he was armed. The implication being that he was using this gun and waving it in front of the DHS people. And. And so they wanted to create that fiction. But again, the video came out. There were so many videos that came out by the time they had announced that everybody knew it was a lie. I was listening to. I was watching Ms. Now they had a couple of like, you know, the law enforcement, ex law enforcement types on who said, you know, it's unclear. You didn't appear to be waving the gun or doing any of this. And it's hard for us to trust what DHS doing. The analysis of all this misses the central point is that DHS definitely did not want people videotaping them murdering somebody. But there is no leadership that is telling them to do anything differently than what they're doing. When Renee Goode was shot, ICE agents and all these federal goons, there was basically one of two directives that they could have been given. One would have been, we've shot somebody. We need to back off. You need to avoid engaging with protests or with people videotaping to the extent that you can do, like really go out of your way to avoid engaging, or the other one is double down. Tell them that they should have learned a lesson and do not change anything you're doing. In fact, you know, get out there and make sure that people don't get in your face anymore.

C (13:46)

Be ready to cover it up faster.

B (13:48)

And. And it was. It's quite clear. It's the second. Like, any talk of, like, this is unprofessional. They don't seem to be trained. That's all true, but that's besides the point. The point is they are being sent out there to do exactly what they are doing. You could see footage of these guys as they are like masked, like a gang supposedly dealing with protesters. One guy shooting his gun and says, this is Like Call of Duty. It's cool, right?

A (14:20)

And then said boo hoo to people who were crying after they saw Preddy being shot multiple times in the back. Greg Bevino said Kaitlan Collins of CNN had this statement, said that essentially the federal agents that were involved in the shooting because in the killing there were a bunch of them. They were beating him up like a gang, mass gang. That these agents are no longer in Minneapolis and have been reassigned to other locations for their safety. Bovino had said. Now let's be clear. They're fleeing state authorities just like Jonathan Ross after he murdered Renee Goode and shot her and killed her immediately whisked out of the state. This is what they're pretending is a law enforcement operation when they're acting like the mafia. Yeah, actually the mafia is probably a little bit.

B (15:12)

Has more rules.

A (15:13)

Has more rules.

B (15:15)

Here's clip number five. You can see an ICE agent's first reaction.

A (15:21)

Same video.

B (15:25)

It's like Call of Duty.

C (15:28)

So cool, huh?

B (15:31)

Did you shoot? Did you shoot? Take the shot. They kick it. You take the shot. This is just random shooting at people, tossing in smoke grenades.

A (15:48)

They were also you. There's of them brandishing their weapons in the face of journalists. Just from yesterday, too.

B (15:55)

It just blows that way. Idiots. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's your. Your, like. Okay, but now here is.

A (16:05)

Yeah. Other part. Right.

B (16:06)

Okay, that was. Now that took place about an hour after the killing. I would say somewhere around 11am or so. This is. This is the. Now this is just after the killing. This is a separate thing.

A (16:22)

When they said the boo hoo part.

B (16:24)

Yes, this is. This is just after.

A (16:28)

Right, the.

B (16:28)

I believe this is the clapping guys. Yeah, sorry, we're having a connection.

C (16:33)

But yes, this is the clapping.

B (16:34)

Okay. This is just after Preddy's been shot. You can see that guy clapping there like his. Like, our job is done here. Play this again. At the bottom of the screen here. And he just turns around like. Like they're so clear.

A (17:13)

There he is.

B (17:14)

There is no threat. The guy claps and then just walks away. Like, turns around like we did that. It's stunning.

A (17:28)

Yeah, I guess that wasn't the other part that I was referring to, but I mean, you could just take my word for it. We heard after, you know, Renee Goode was killed, one of the ICE officers, most likely Jonathan Ross, said, you know, effing bitch. And then what we heard on camera after this was boo hoo because people were upset at what they saw in front of their eyes. It's. We'll. We'll Cover this later on. But one of the seven Democrats in the House that voted to basically, you know, advance this ICE DHS funding increase because as we played from Pramila Jayapal last week, there was like basically an accounting trick with the last budget. So, so it looks like you're maintaining funding, but it actually is an increase in funding. And there were seven Democrats that voted to do so. I'll just read their names. I missed one. The other it was Henry Cuellar who won his primary a few cycles ago against a wonderful progressive, Jessica Cisneros by less than 1000 votes after Jim Clyburn and Nancy Pelosi went down to support him. And he is an anti abortion pro ice, anti trans Democrat voted to advance that funding. Mary Glusonkamp Perez, Jared Golden, Don Davis, Laura Gillen, Vincente Gonzalez and Tom Suozzi, who is a representative from just a few miles away in Long Island. And this morning he sent out an email to his voters saying that he failed, quote, I failed to view the DHS funding vote as a referendum on the illegal and immoral conduct of ICE in Minneapolis. That's less than a week ago. So that's how quickly these politics are changing. And too bad you decide to fund the ICE Gestapo instead of seeing right was right, what was right in front of your face.

B (19:26)

And we'll get, we got. We're going to do a whole thing on the how this has impacted the funding vote as the show progresses. All right, we're going to take quick break and when we come back, we'll be talking to Wally Kahn on Minneapolis in the wake of this shooting. We'll be right back after. Not right. We'll be after. After I read these ads that we.

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D (26:29)

Well, that was actually now that since that tear gas incident. I've kept safe since then, but it's been like more than eight days where I've had this respiratory problem. But that was at the Whipple Federal Building where ICE agents come out in droves and tear gas protesters every hour actually. And so that night they started pelting, you know, tear gas canisters at us and flashbangs and I think all people were doing was that they were gathering around arriving ICE vehicles and my mask was a little loose and the density of the tear gas made it, you know, impossible to do the work that I do. And it was just, it was blinding and it was really painful.

B (27:21)

What ostensibly is, I mean, I've seen tear gas in the context of protests that are, I think, like authorities are afraid. Like, oh, there's 10,000 people or 5,000 or 500 people who are coming to try and attack a federal building or a blocking, you know, roads in the middle of a city. Like, what is the context and what would be the value of just firing tear gas at people who are standing out in front of a detention facility?

D (27:59)

Well, it's interesting because one of the days some of the protesters doused the entrance way to Whipple with water because a lot of these ICE agents are just like wearing vans and like Converse like canvas shoes, and they slipped and fallen on their asses so many times. So one of the protest tactics is to pour water all over the entranceway where they come out of. And I want to reiterate, you know, the ICE agents outnumber the number of protesters at Whipple. I mean, that on multiple nights there had to be less than 100 people or less than like 150. And the ICE agents would come out from their cars or they were warming up in the parking lot and, and put suit up, come out. And that day when they were pouring water, they got pissed. I mean, they came out, tear gassed a bunch of people, pepper sprayed pepper bald people, which is, you know, solidified pepper spray. Less lethals that are put in paintball guns and shot out at, you know, people. And actually there have been a couple of blindings out of LA recently related to pepperball. But yeah, I mean, their justification is that people are blocking the roadway when they really aren't. I mean, we're not seeing like them actually stop any vehicles. You know, the cars still drive in and out of ICE of the, of the Whipple Federal Building. There hasn't been that much impedement. Personally, I probably only saw one protester ever pop a tire of an ICE vehicle and that wasn't even at the federal building.

B (29:39)

Okay, so with that said, tell us what else you saw while you were there. At what point did you get back? Because we had a big general strike on Friday. 50,000 or more people at the very least, protesting, never mind necessarily participating in the strike. Give us a sense of like, what you saw when you were last there.

D (30:05)

So I left right before the general strike the day of, actually, I talked to a bunch of people on the ground during that day and also who was there yesterday. But there was this general idea from A bunch of reporters that I was talking to that, you know, protesters were standing there, they weren't doing anything. And you see this pattern emerge and out of Minneapolis, and I was there for almost two weeks right after the killing of Renee Good is that, you know, they'll go up to protesters and say, back up, back up. And you know, they'll say don't move. Or they'll say move away. And they give these like contradictive like instructions where you're like destined to fail if you're just in proximity of an ICE agent. And so there's a lot of tear gas that they love using, but at the same time they're shooting off less lethals at protesters. And some of my friends and colleagues had gotten injured. But by and large, I think the retaliation against reporters has gotten more obvious on the ground. Just yesterday, even at the Home Suites Hotel where the Department of Prisons pointed a gun at two reporters, Ethanol Roy and Sean Beckner Carmichell. And you know, they kept asking everybody, show me your fucking press badge. But they'll also say things like, we don't give a fuck if you're press. And so there is this very mixed messaging that actually really puts a lot of reporters and protesters at danger because they don't know what their instructions are. And even if they are, they're like not legal instructions. You're not, they're not breaking any laws.

A (31:59)

There's this notion that these are, you know, they keep saying you're impeding an operation or law enforcement operation. That was also the excuse that they used to justify the killing of Alex Preddy. Can you describe what a so called operation looks like with ice? Because it seems like it's kind of, they're occupying the city so the entire area is supposedly in operation.

D (32:28)

Yeah, so it's really interesting. A lot of the enforcement at one point was concentrated on East Lake street. And you know, you could literally just see them going past all the time. They'd be stopping at these restaurants or turning in into a neighborhood to terrorize people and to gas them when, you know, they blow their whistles or they are followed. But you know, I just want to remind, you know, your viewers that a lot of this language that we're seeing come out of the White House and DHS is couch in the NSPM7 memo that dictated a very broad set of rules for what could be counted as domestic terrorism. So I posted a video last week where me and another photographer were tracking ice and we were on the rapid response chats and you know, ICE jumps out of their car. And they say, you know, if you around, you're gonna get arrested. And the thing is, the one thing he said that caught my attention was at the end. He says that we've got your plate, we've got your name. It's gonna be. I think he said something about there being a database. And. And in Maine, where there is an extensive ICE operation happening there right now, officers were seen talking about a database about people who are just filming. So when an ICE operation happens, they turn into a neighborhood, knock on doors, and they detain somebody, and they don't really check for papers. They're just like, stopping people and just taking them. And so they see people filming as impeding on their operations, which is insane.

B (34:16)

I think we actually have that video in Maine of the database that, that exchange. It has been quite clear that their videotaping. I mean, we know that Jonathan Ross, the killer of Renee Good, was videotaping her. And, you know, these guys are not doing it. Maybe some of them are for their, like, home movies, but they're doing it because they're. They. They are intending to use this material at one point. Here's that exchange that you were talking about. This took place up in Maine, and you're saying you had a similar one in Minnesota. Let's. Let's watch this.

A (34:57)

It's not illegal to record.

B (35:00)

Exactly. Yeah, that's what we're doing. Yeah.

A (35:02)

Why are you taking my information down?

B (35:04)

Because we have a nice little database. Oh, good. And now you're considered domestic terrorists.

A (35:10)

We're videotaping you. Are you crazy?

B (35:19)

That exchange is pretty revealing. I mean, I mean, regardless of questions of like, that doesn't seem terribly professional to be doing, etc. Etc. He's. He's telling the truth.

D (35:32)

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

B (35:34)

I mean, and that was consistent. What we saw on that video tape was consistent with what you experienced now in. In. In Minneapolis.

D (35:42)

Yeah, absolutely. There's actually video of that on my Instagram too. Like, they literally get out of a car I wasn't even driving. And they said, you know, we've got the plate, we've got the vehicle. So I don't think they're just making a database of people. And, you know, they have. There has been so many reports of them using, you know, extremely flawed facial recognition AI to identify who is a migrant and who isn't. But the added aspect of that is that if they have a database of vehicles and plates, you know, it's kind of like the police's lean system, like when they can look up plates, but they actually need a reason to. These federal agents don't need a reason. And, you know, the risk is elevated for me because I'm like, one of the few, you know, reporters on this beat who is a migrant. It was terrifying because it does raise questions about, you know, press freedom and, like, just stuff about the 14th Amendment. You know, your people are getting arrested, pulled out of their cars simply for following ICE agents. But, like, you know, there is nothing illegal about that.

B (36:55)

Let give me a sense of, like, how much time did you spend with these rapid response networks in Minnesota, in Minneapolis? I wonder what your impressions were of. Of these networks, if they are networks. I mean, just how would you characterize what you're seeing there? And. And both from a, like a sort of a tactical standpoint and also just terms of, like, the sentiment.

D (37:25)

This is probably the most robust rapid response I've ever seen. What journalists do is very similar to what the rapid responders are doing in the sense that they're spotting these vehicles, looking up the plates and then. But the difference is rapid responders are almost always on a call on signal, and they're people doing plate checks and giving information about where exactly an ICE vehicle was spotted and when you're out following them. There was a case where me and a couple of reporters spotted an ICE vehicle outside of a neighborhood, inside of a neighborhood called Longfellow. You know, we pull up next to the vehicle and he rolls down his window and he has a live headset on, but he's unmasked. So that sometimes means that they're a supervisor instead of just like a regular agent. And we asked, are you ice? And he was like, none of your fucking business. And so we noticed that there was a cage fitted into the back and like the. And like, lights, but also like this, like, front ram that law enforcement uses to do pit stops. And we ended up following, you know, this officer for 20 miles north of Minneapolis. And that's something that you see all the time as well, that a lot of these agents aren't even getting out of their car. They're just leading people on wild goose chases with, you know, no result. And it's. It's scary because you have to wonder if that's a decoy. And we end up driving 20 miles north of Minneapolis, and then a cop car starts following us. And the ICE agent peels off into the shoulder. And some of the rapid responders are telling me that sometimes ICE agents lead trackers and journalists on these chases to a county that's friendly to them, like where the sheriff is friendly to them and have the cops deal with you. So there is an extreme elevated risk because I've seen ICE agents go into a neighborhood, throw tear gas, take people, beat people, tear gas, like pepper spray them when they're on the ground. And you know, there's nothing that people can really do except like throw snowballs and like scream at them, which are like, you know, it's nothing compared to the domestic terrorism language that we're seeing come out of the White House. But that's what I've been seeing with rapid response, that people are constantly on the call. They're going to businesses to patrol, even at negative 35 windchill weathers, to do foot patrol or to drive past businesses during opening and closing and during pickup and drop off time for schools. So we're seeing like this one of the most organized, decentralized, hyper local rapid response that we really haven't seen like anywhere else. And a lot of that infrastructure is probably from 2020.

B (40:39)

I've heard some very good stories about what happened in Charlotte and that folks were very good about driving ICE out of there and making ICE leave before they had hit anything close to their quotas, etc. Etc. Certainly the invasion of Minneapolis was of a size, I think, I think like sort of unprecedented size, up to this point anyways. But what is it? Do you have any sense of like, what accounts for the superlatives you're. You're suggesting about Minneapolis? Like, what was it? Is it. Is there something unique to Minneapolis or is it simply temporally speaking, we're at a point where people are. A greater number of people are engaged? Is it the size of the city? Is there something, do you think, as, I don't know, a spirit in Minneapolis in terms of the community or the relationship between the immigrant population and, and you know, other Minnesotans? What do you think it is?

D (41:54)

I think a big part of it is that Minneapolis just can't catch a fucking break. I mean, the fact that Renee Goode was killed so close to where George Floyd was murdered, you know, there's so much anger that still lingers over that. And I think, you know, the infrastructure is also good. First of all, it's actually really easy to get around in Minneapolis. You know, if something like this happened in New York, to get from like the Bronx to like Jackson Heights is going to take 40 minutes. The thing about Minneapolis, the thing about these ICE raids is that if you're five minutes out from it, you, you're able to do whatever your role is, which is either you, you know, try to follow them or honk or Warren, or if you're a reporter, go and chase after it and document it. And the other thing is that there are a lot of people who care and how emboldened right wing figures are in flooding the zone in Minneapolis and how emboldened they are to do a pro ICE march and try to burn a Quran like Jake Lang tried to do. And he's tried to do this in Dearborn, Michigan. This is not his first time. He's always foiled. And I think a big part of this is that people there understand that more than 90% of Somalis in Minneapolis are citizens. So even from a numbers perspective, the federal enforcement is so brazen. So, so much, so much of this has this authoritarian aesthetic to it that there's so much spectacle that I think people can't look away. One of Renee's good's neighbors was a Trump voter. And one of the first, one of the most interesting videos I've seen out of it was an interview with him where he expresses extreme doubts of, about his belief. And so if this is moving the needle for conservatives, I think, you know, you can tell whatever you're seeing on the news, it's so much worse on the ground.

A (43:54)

Yeah.

B (43:54)

Can you. I just wanted to. On the 90% thing.

A (43:57)

Okay.

B (43:58)

Because I think this is interesting because I've read theories that the administration did not realize there were 90% of Somalis. I mean, we laugh about it, but I mean, this is not, this is not hard to believe that 90% were citizens. And so you have a population where you've got these ICE thugs going in there and they assume they're just looking for Somalis. Yeah, but nine out of ten of those are citizens. Not legally in the country, not documented, not going through a process. They're citizens. And so, I mean, it's probably 90% of the people they're harassing there and going on and thinking that they've got like a win, turns out to be citizens. And these are all people with families, these are all people who are, you know, integrated into the community, etc. Etc. So, I mean, this is, I wonder how much that like sort of the trip wires they're hitting are pulling the community together in tighter than one would have expected. I mean, even prior to these multiple killings. Murders.

D (45:19)

Yeah, no, I agree. But I think a big part of this too is that we have to be realistic about this resistive movement, which is that, you know, we didn't see the world. The, the, the country Rally around the. The killing of Jamie Alanis Garcia out of California when he was, when he fell off a 30 foot building, when he was chased by ice. We didn't see nationwide rallying around Silverio Gonzalez, who was killed in Chicago. And there was footage even for Silverio's killing. It was such strikingly similar circumstances to Renee Goode. I think a big part of this. And PBS NewsHour actually did an interview with a St. Paul cafe owner or something or somebody who goes to the cafe where there are, you know, paintings of Renee Goode on the wall. And she very blatantly said that, you know, and then paraphrasing here, that she could ideate or conceptualize the sort of violence that ICE is doing because Renee was a citizen and she was a white, a white mother. So when we look at this, this, like, these responses to these social movements, I think it's like really important. And, you know, like. And as a migrant, you know, I've seen this sort of response where people are so much more sympathetic, the press is so much more sympathetic to Minneapolis because a citizen got killed. And I think implicitly there is this idea that if somebody's undocumented and they weren't even here, supposed to be here in the first place, then the death is no big deal because it was supposed to happen. So I think that's kind of my take on Minneapolis. But the resistance there is no less robust for it.

A (47:23)

And it's a great point. You mentioned that there are some areas where maybe they drive to a police precinct or part of Minnesota where there's more sympathetic police. What has been your experience, what have other journalists and activists experience with Minneapolis PD in particular as well, in resistance to ice.

D (47:48)

So it's interesting, Minneapolis PD there was that night they shot a man in the leg and people were taking to the streets. And I remember this huge presence of Minneapolis PD and protesters shouting that they haven't changed since George Floyd was killed. That they're. That they think that, oh, I think one protester was like, you think you're better than these ICE agents. You're just more of the same. There has been a very heavy MPD response. And, you know, and I think a big part of it, too, is that they don't really know what to do. They kind of stand around. They're also tear gassed by ICE agents. That happened in Chicago, too. But by and large, I think maybe ideologically, a lot of these cops are more similar to an ICE agent than they are to Alex Preddy or Renee Good. So you're seeing MPD still enact violence and arrest people in Minneapolis under the guise of law and order. But, you know, at the same time, you know, Jacob Frey goes on TV and says a couple of bad words and every making, you know, New York Times profiles on him.

A (49:09)

So my other question for you is schools. We're hearing reports about ICE agents stationing outside of schools in the. In Minnesota. I mean, I'm just like, just to plainly say what it is. It's. It's masked men, unidentified men, stationed outside of schools and kidnapping children. This is from the party that says they care about protecting children from abuse. So how widespread is this practice based on your two weeks in the area?

D (49:48)

Pretty prevalent. I mean, to a point where drop off and pick up time is a really tense moment for a lot of parents and a lot of citizens and a lot of, lot of children too. You know, they're stopping by at parks, nearby kindergartens, nearby schools and churches. And I remember going to a Church in St. Paul where the kids are just like looking out the window and, you know, ice, there's an ICE vehicle just like literally a block away, just sitting there. And they'll make like heart signs at whoever takes a photo at them. And so there's like this aspect of like, they're just waiting there. Sometimes they don't even do anything right. Like, the day Renee Goode was killed, there was this huge altercation in one of the high schools in Minneapolis. And I think a lot of people that I've spoken to on the ground have told me that, like, yeah, they've, like, they wonder if, you know, their school district is going to go online. And as somebody who went to school during COVID it is just not the same. Like, you're missing out on a lot. And we're seeing that. We're seeing ICE presence at schools and churches. And the community response is really just robust in the sense that there is always a bunch of people there during pickup and drop off time.

B (51:19)

What else, as we wrap up here, what else do you think we should understand about what's happening there? Is there anything that we've sort of left on the table or do you have any thoughts as to what's going where, where ICE is headed next, both either geographically or in terms of their tactics?

D (51:40)

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's enforcement already happening in Maine. Portland, Maine. I think the numbers are. I haven't checked it in a while, but in three days they took like 100 people. And that's a lot. And I think, you know, we need to have this sort of like the same reaction Americans had for Renee Goode and Alex Preddy getting killed should be scaled up to the 800 people missing from Alligator Alcatraz. Like, what happened to that? Like, I feel like we just moved on. You know, that's a big deal. And I think that, you know, the Trump administration mentioned that California and New York is next. I've spoken to a lot of folks in Minneapolis who are both citizens and also Somali migrants who believe that this will end in the midterms. I don't know about that. I think we're in for many, many years of this. I think the window has moved. And by and large, despite the resistance that we're seeing, Americans could possibly get used to this. And I think that's a very scary thought that people aren't considering that this could be the thing that happens for many years and the midterms aren't going to save you. Maybe it could, it could be a mitigating factor, but this sort of enforcement is exactly like ICE is doing exactly what they were designed to do. And there's no amount of training, there's no amount of, of, you know, those, those seven Democrats who voted for more funding for ICE for training or whatever. It's so ham fisted, it's so brain dead, like we can't vote this out. And I think the resistance needs to really ask itself what it's willing to put on the line for an occupational force in their city.

B (53:38)

Wally Khan, we will link to your Instagram channel.

A (53:44)

Some great photography.

D (53:46)

Thank you.

B (53:47)

Really appreciate you coming on and giving us an update and, and hope that your respiratory things get a little better. Thanks so much for coming on.

D (53:58)

All right, thank you so much.

B (54:01)

All right, folks, let's play a little just, I want to play a couple of clips of what took place on Friday. By the time we had gotten off there, things had really started to pick up in terms of the strike. It's hard to assess what a general strike looks like in terms of what's not happening, right? Like, like you can look at numbers after the fact and say like, oh, nobody shopped that day. The g, you know, one day is a, is a quick blip. People didn't come into work and you would think in the context of like public demonstration with temperatures at anywhere from 10 to 10 below, that's cold. Like, that's cold.

A (54:54)

That's filled in your bones cold.

B (54:55)

That's. It takes you, you know, I'll walk to work in the teens or the early 20s, but it takes me like half A block until, like, I start to realize, like, oh, even my knees are cold right now. Even with my, like, lined pants.

C (55:11)

As a North Dakota, I can say that's even cold for people from that.

B (55:13)

Part of the world. But here are images. This is on Friday, the day before, less than 24 hours before Preddy was murdered. Killed.

A (55:31)

What? Murdered. Murdered.

B (55:33)

I mean, I don't know what the legal would be, but here are. Here is aerial shots of this. I mean, it just goes on and on. It's crazy.

C (55:49)

This is from BT newsroom.

B (55:53)

There's no audio. There's no audio on this. It's just drone footage. But this goes on and on. And then it goes around the corner, and there's even bigger numbers. It really.

A (56:10)

And there are also, I'm sure, people that were striking that just, you know, stayed home.

B (56:14)

Exactly. This is a. I mean, that's the thing is, like, this is a protest here. Here is another image. Let's go to the. You can see around the corner, and it just keeps going down. And then it turns the corner from there, too, I think. But let's go to that other shot. And you can hear people chanting. And again, this is another. Different angle, a different portion of that protest. They're cheering. What do you want? Ice out. When do you want it? Now.

A (57:25)

That's amazing, this general strike stuff. You're hearing more and more talk about this spreading across the country, and I really, really do hope it does, because.

B (57:37)

There were people protesting in Iowa over the weekend prior to. I don't know if it was in the wake of the pretty killing in. In. In Idaho, in Boise, Idaho. I think it was actually there was like, 3,500 people calling for a general strike. I mean, you're just seeing it all over the place.

A (57:53)

Yeah. And it's just really. I mean, with the. The no Kings demonstrations were, I think, a good place for people to get their energy out. But this is a step in the direction of, like, an actual uprising and changing of our system because it involves.

C (58:10)

I just want to say real quick how you know is because Tim Walls and Mayor Fry didn't support it.

A (58:13)

It is. It is a moment of, like, both of class consciousness and using the. Using that power to challenge the authority and seeing these things as inextricably linked. Like, you know, we've been told for a long time that you could, for some reason separate identity politics or white supremacy from capitalism when you're standing up against it. But you're seeing that white supremacy and capitalism are intrinsically linked to. And the systems of Economic domination are similarly the systems of racial and ethnic supremacy that show up, show themselves in a variety of different forms. But in this instance, it's immigration law. It's the, it's what Wally was talking about, the concept of citizenship, how we have tiers for people's rights and what they are allowed to have in this country based on pretty arbitrary kind of definitions and make it very difficult for certain people to be citizens because we want, they're more easily exploitable in that way. And so that is a very hopeful development out of this weekend in spite of obviously how horrible everything is.

B (59:38)

Nameless in Minnesota says, keep in mind, many of us did not go to the protests because we were still patrolling our neighborhoods. Right. So again, the numbers extraordinary there. And I think we're going to see more of this obviously in the wake of the killing of Preddy. All right, we're going to take a break, head into the so called fun half, wherein we will play more footage out of Minnesota. Also, we're going to talk about the, how things have changed dramatically in terms of the vote. I mean, on Friday we were saying in regards to those seven Democrats who voted for the funding. And it's really, let's be clear, Hakeem Jeffries did not whip those people. Now, he may not have any control of what Jared golden does because Jaren Golden's retiring. Although, you know, make a point. Well, I got to imagine if I had to bet Jared golden is not going to have a job that has nothing to do with Congress. When he goes into the private sector.

A (60:45)

He's the Blue Dogs. And he's what, he's a military guy. Right.

B (60:49)

Of course this guy's not going to go like, you know what? I've always wanted to pursue painting or I'm going to do some local, I'm going to do cabinetry work. I'm going to one more year of my apprenticeship. No, I would bet you just about everything I own that Jared Goldman is going to have some job where he is going to utilize his access to Congress, lobbying, whatever it is.

A (61:14)

Yeah.

B (61:15)

And Hakeem Jeffries has, has the ability to make that very difficult. I mean, presumably he's going to be speaker of the House come January and they can make all sorts of rules about like, you know what Jared golden, we don't want to, we don't have enough credentials for you to come on the Hill, whatever it is. There are ways and we should all say like Rosa Delorio from sits on the chair of the Appropriations Committee. There were ways in which to make the DHS funding more prominent rather than to roll it into the minibus. And we were saying on Friday, these people are voting for this. It's as if they think that, like, what ice. They're voting on what ICE has done and that's it. That's going to be end of story. As opposed to, like, we're only a year out and we've seen what ICE has become in that year. Where do you think they're going to be in 10 months? They're going to. I mean, this is just the beginning of this, folks. This is just the beginning of this. There's going to be more people they kill. I mean, the concentration camps they have set up. And we're going to play some footage of what's going on in, like, Texas and what's going on.

A (62:42)

I mean, we have no idea how many people are dead. No idea.

B (62:46)

I know people representing people in. In Berlin, New Hampshire, appropriately, where these are basically like semi torture facilities because they have a lot of people who are within process. In other words, I am getting my green card or I am being adjudicated for refugee status, or I. Asylum status, or I am. I have been on. I have been in an administrative process. In other words, they are here legally. They. They are not citizens, but they are here legally. They are within a legal process. And what happens is ICE picks them up, shoves them into these concentration camps. We'll play footage of some that's leaked out, subjects them to torturous conditions as a game of attrition, essentially. Let's play this. Number 16, a game of attrition so that they can get these people to say, you know what? I give up any rights I have to the process I'm already engaged in. What is it? No, no, no, no. I want the. Where's the footage from inside the. The. The camp? We don't have that. Okay. I think I thought that was. What were people sleeping on the. This is an ICE agent admitting what you're saying about legal picking up people who are in the process. Okay. Yo, let's play this then. Okay. Like, she's legal. Like she has a war permit.

A (64:34)

Yeah.

D (64:34)

That doesn't make her legal.

B (64:35)

So anybody who has a pending application, they get a work permit. Okay. Because of that. So our direction right now. I'll just kind of explain this to you. Our direction right now is to. Is to take any of those kind of people into custody so they can get through their court cases faster. Like, okay, so he's claiming that we get their court cases faster. She is in, she's got her work permit. She is in pending process. They are bringing people in and the guy says, so they get their court cases faster. No, what it is now, let's play that footage of them lying on the, on the floor in the facility. This is footage that has been.

A (65:14)

This.

B (65:15)

Is footage that is leaked out. And of course, it's very difficult to get this kind of footage in Baltimore. This is in Baltimore, in the Baltimore field office. These are the conditions that people are living in now in Berlin, New Hampshire. My understanding is they don't have blankets, but they put them in scrubs. And we're dealing with temperatures like 10 degrees outside. If you don't put heat on in these facilities, you know, you're talking about 30, 30, 35 degrees. But play this footage. So now we know they're taking people who are in process. They have a work permit, they're waiting on a hearing, whatever it is, they put him in these type of facilities, essentially torture or abuse, which, wherever that line is, I don't think it makes a difference, frankly. And the idea is like, it's up to you. You really want to wait around for your court case because that may not come for a while. So that's what's going on here.

C (66:52)

I can't transit all that. The last thing was about hunger.

A (67:01)

All right, well, yeah, we'll have more to say in the, in the other half.

B (67:06)

The other half, formally fun half, but this is what's going on. So people should understand this is, this is what's happening and.

A (67:17)

All right, well, well, was it. I mean, what did we. I can't remember if it's just like something I watched myself or if we covered it on the show. Did we cover the, the story someone, a lawyer was saying how a mother had to suck the pasta off or the pasta sauce off? Yes, of every. Because they have no baby food. Suck the. Because the, the child can't digest the pasta sauce. Suck all of the sauce, but with her mouth off of pieces of pasta to feed to children.

C (67:45)

Concentration camps.

A (67:46)

Yep. Not metaphor, not description, definitionally.

B (67:55)

Lastly, let's just read this from Midwest leftists here from Minnesota, if you're wanting to read this during the show so people get a sense of what the environment ICE is creating. We are white, Midwestern. The violence is so egregious that the children are in no way shielded from our reality. Our seven year old son, knowing the dangers they pose, came home and told us, if ICE comes to my school, I will protect my cousin, five years old, because she has More life to live. Our neighbor hasn't sent their five year old to school for two weeks because they're terrified of their child being taken at the bus stop. My partner works for the school district and ICE is scoping out the all the bus stops to take kids for bait. My partner's co worker was also disappeared overnight now leaving his wife as the sole provider for two daughters. One of them requiring brain surgery as she suffers from seizures which was the main reason they came to the United States. She was shipped to tech. He was shipped to Texas in less than 24 hours. All right, we're going to head into the fun half of the program. You know the deal. Join the majorityreport.com Also Just Coffee Co op use the coupon code. Majority get 10% off. Matt, what's happening in the Matt Leck media universe? Yeah.

C (69:14)

Hassan joined us on the Jacobin show last week to talk about who's more democratically responsive to the outcries of the people they represent. Mohammed bin Salman or Chuck Schumer. And you have to tune in to see who we decided on. And I don't think this past weekend has changed that calculation. Check that out. Jacobin show. Go subscribe to Jacobin Meg on YouTube.

B (69:39)

Alright, quick break. And Fun Half. Three months from now, six months from now, nine months from now. And I don't think it's gonna be the same as it looks like in six months from now. And I don't know if it's necessarily gonna be better six months from now than it is three months from now. But I think around 18 months out we're gonna look back and go like wow. What? What is that going on? It's nuts. Wait a second. Hold on. Hold on for a second. Emma, welcome to the program. Fun Half.

D (70:17)

Matt.

B (70:19)

What is up everyone? Fun Hack. Nomi Key.

D (70:23)

You did it.

B (70:24)

Fun Path.

A (70:26)

Let's go Brandon.

B (70:27)

Let's go Brandon. Fun path. Bradley, you want to say hello? Sorry to disappoint Doing everyone. I'm just a random guy. It's all the boys today.

A (70:37)

Fundamentally false. No. I'm sorry. Women.

B (70:39)

Stop talking for a second. Let me finish.

A (70:42)

Where is this coming from? Dude.

B (70:44)

But dude. You want to smoke this seven egg?

A (70:47)

Yes.

B (70:51)

Hi. Me. Is it?

A (70:53)

Yes.

B (70:57)

Is this me?

D (70:58)

Is it me?

A (70:59)

Me?

B (70:59)

It is you. It's me.

D (71:04)

Hello.

B (71:04)

It's me. I think it is you. Who is you? No sound every single freaking day. What's on your mind?

A (71:13)

Sports.

D (71:13)

We can discuss free markets and we can discuss capitalism.

B (71:17)

I'm going to go smart. Libertarians. They're so stupid. Though common sense says of course.

A (71:22)

Gobbledygook.

B (71:23)

We nailed him.

A (71:24)

So what's 79 plus 21?

B (71:26)

Challenge. Matt, I'm positively quivering. I believe 96. I want to say. 8, 5, 7, 2, 1 0, 3, 5 5, 0, 11 half. 3, 8, 9, 11.

D (71:36)

For instance.

A (71:36)

$3,400. $1,900. 5, 4.

B (71:40)

$3 trillion. Sold. It's a zero sum game, actually.

A (71:45)

You're making me think less.

B (71:46)

But let me say this. You call it satire. Sam goes satire.

D (71:51)

On top of it all. My favorite part about you is just.

A (71:55)

Like every day, all day, like, everything you do.

B (71:57)

Without a doubt. Hey, buddy. We see you. All right, folks, folks, folks.

A (72:08)

It's just the week being weeded out, obviously.

D (72:11)

Yeah.

B (72:11)

Sun's out, guns out. I, I, I did.

D (72:16)

You don't know, but you should know.

B (72:20)

People just don't like to entertain ideas anymore. I have a question. Who cares?

C (72:26)

Our chat is enabled, folks.

B (72:28)

I love it.

A (72:29)

I do love that.

B (72:32)

Gotta jump. Gotta be quick. I gotta jump. I'm losing it, bro. Two o', clock, we're already late, and the guy's being a dick. So screw them. Sent to a gulag.

A (72:45)

Outrageous.

B (72:46)

Like, what is wrong with you?

A (72:49)

Love you. Bye.

B (72:51)

Love you.

A (72:53)

Bye.

B (72:53)

Bye.