Emma Vigeland (3:34)

Hello.

Sam Cedar (3:37)

So it was just breaking news that they have captured the alleged killer of Charlie Kirk. Now supposedly the guy has confessed. He apparently confessed to his youth minister. His youth minister I think contacted the boy's father. Boy man, 22 years old. The father former sheriff then contacted authorities. We know not a huge amount about this guy yet. We know that his family are big amosexuals. They have a lot of pictures on social media of them with guns and speaking proudly of their sons learning how to use guns. We know that the family is largely Republican. You have social media posts of folks in, you know, 2016. The shooter's aunt was not happy about anti Trump protests.

Emma Vigeland (5:05)

There's a The shooter I guess dressed up or wore a Trump hossum costume for Halloween. That could be. It's him kind of like riding him. So it could be anti Trump, it could be pro Trump. We don't necessarily know.

Sam Cedar (5:18)

No, it's difficult. There's a lot, I mean it's, you know, people are going to speculate. Now what we do know is that at the press conference, I guess let's start with. Well, this, this part of the press conference where he, the. And this is the governor of, of Utah, Spencer what Cox, he reads off the engravings on the shell casings and there are four of them. We'll have him read it off. And it is sort of clear maybe this is incorrect. But Spencer Cox certainly has made some assum. Assumptions about these, these inscriptions on the casings that I think maybe belie the fact that these people are not terminally online. But here are the things he ostensibly is not. He just leaves it up to other people to speculate as to what these means. I mean this is, it's incredible because the guy's whole speech was about we're better than this, we shouldn't be insightful. Blah Bl. But he's dropping partial information out there that is fuel for people to speculate on what this guy's intentions were or why he killed Charlie Kirk.

Emma Vigeland (6:58)

In one direction, and this is not new too. Like we saw that there were leaks to the Wall Street Journal that have now been disproven where they were claiming that there was pro trans stuff written on the ammunition and they had to walk that back. Clearly. I think the Journal had a pretty source in the government that said that to him and wanted that information out there. Like this is what the Republican Party is doing regardless of the facts. They're trying to control the narrative and put it in one direction. Nancy Mace, without any evidence, before we knew any of this came out and said the Democrats own this because this is what the party has become now. It's message discipline just to attack the opposition.

Sam Cedar (7:41)

And so here, here is what the guy says and then we can explain to you what we know these mean, at least outside of a context.

Spencer Cox (7:53)

I know there has been speculation as well as to the writing on those casings, those, those, those bullet casings. And I believe we have that as well and I will share that with you now. So the area north of Campus Drive Road where the suspect crossed over, you saw some of that in the video that we released last night, consists of a grassy area with trees on the edge of the UVU campus. Investigators Discovered a bolt action rifle wrapped in a dark colored towel. The rifle was determined to be a Mauser Model 98. 3006 caliber. 3006 caliber bolt action rifle. The rifle had a scope mounted on top of it. Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found with the rifle. Inscriptions on a fired casing read, notices, bulges, capital O W, O. What's this? Question mark Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read, hey fascist, exclamation point, catch. Exclamation point, up arrow, symbol, right arrow and symbol and three down arrow symbols. A second unfired casing read, oh, bella chow, bella chow, bella chow, chow chow. And a third unfired casing read, if you read this, you are gay. Lmao.

Sam Cedar (9:22)

Okay, now here's the thing is like he ostensibly addresses the misinformation of what was engraved on the shell casings to ostensibly stop speculation. But of course, without any context, there's a lot of speculation about this because all of these sayings can point into various different directions. And we don't know what the purpose of this guy putting these etchings on this casing and leaving the rifle within 50 yards of the scene of the crime. Why. Why he did that per the press conference. The actual inscriptions of the cases, we already did that. Okay, so Evan Hill from the Washington Post offers these explanations. The first notice, bulges O W, O. What's this? Is a.

Emma Vigeland (10:21)

His explanation on top is better, I think.

Sam Cedar (10:23)

Yeah, yeah. Is a copy pasta parroting furries. Furries are people who identify as animals.

Emma Vigeland (10:36)

Right. Dress up, I guess.

Sam Cedar (10:38)

Yes.

Emma Vigeland (10:38)

I don't know enough about it to be honest.

Sam Cedar (10:43)

And this is, I mean, it's online stuff. I mean there, there are kids, elementary school kids who sometimes will go to school and they really like puppies and they go. And I guess there are people who do that too. And that's that. The second is a reference to calling in an airstrike in the multiplayer game.

Emma Vigeland (11:07)

Helldivers, which has been misreported as thus far from what we know as an antifa symbol because of the arrows. But quickly people are pointing out that it's actually. Yeah, the up arrow, right arrow, and then three down arrows indicates that it's about this game Helldivers.

Sam Cedar (11:27)

And so this is specifically including the hey fascist catch. Quoting a online video game. The third. Bella, ciao, bella, ciao, ciao ciao is a partisan anti fascist song. I know it's some in Spanish, but I don't know exactly. In the morning if I'm gone, my dear, my Dear, I'm going out to fight fascists.

Emma Vigeland (12:04)

Yeah, there you go.

Sam Cedar (12:05)

Yeah, yeah, I know the song. And if you read this, you are gay. Laugh my ass off. Is if you read this, you're gay. Laugh my ass off. Now, the Bella Chow stuff, one might that that's associated obviously with socialists. If you read this, you're gay. Laugh my ass off. I don't know if I wanted to make a. A statement against Charlie Kirk from the left if this is what I would put on the casings. Now the guy's 22 and he's caught up in memes.

Matt (12:42)

Obviously I would say the Belichow thing. The Verge has this piece here. As for the use of Bella Chow, the song has no obvious connection, but given its historical significance does appear in a Helldivers mod as well as at least one other video game, a World War II themed strategy game called Hearts of Iron 4, which I would say is the video game trajectory of that is probably more likely than he's an ideological anti fascist.

Emma Vigeland (13:04)

Yeah, we're treading carefully here.

Sam Cedar (13:06)

I'm just guessing.

Emma Vigeland (13:07)

There's a lot of context clues right.

Matt (13:09)

Now Belichow appears in this stuff that you know is in video games and.

Emma Vigeland (13:14)

We also know and we're not.

Sam Cedar (13:15)

Oh, the song is Italian. Belichow is Italian. Yes.

Emma Vigeland (13:17)

I'm sorry, but I'm also just. Do you say French? I'm not saying also that this is the case, but it should be noted that Nick Fuentes community has long really hated Charlie Kirk and there has been a major rivalry, including I guess some of the Fuentes fans showing up to Kirk events and also basically kind of attacking him from the right as being too pro Jewish, too pro Israel. I have no idea if that's a connection to this shooter. We do not know. Just want to be clear. But it should be noted that, that if you're very online, you would be.

Sam Cedar (14:01)

Aware of that specifically Groipers crashing TPUSA conferences maybe five or six years ago. I'm sure we covered it actually where the Groipers were attacking Charlie Kirk on I think being on stage with a gay Republican. Now this was back at a time where Kirk's ideology was more libertarian, less Christian fundamentalist. He's moved over the years as MAGA grew. So we don't know what the reasons why this guy killed Kirkar. Now this is ultimately relevant because.

Donald Trump (14:51)

The.

Sam Cedar (14:51)

Right has from the moment that Kirk was shot, attributed this to Democrats and the left. And certainly there has been nothing from Republican officials and the leadership of in fact the investigation even that has done anything except for poor fuel on this fire, while at the same time saying we've got to stop this violence that's going on in the country. Here is Donald Trump on Fox and Friends this morning. And let's just start with clip number one. Remember, Trump has obviously been horribly distraught at the killing of Charlie Kirk. And he is also very explicitly attempting to use this as a way of both polarizing the country and trying to consolidate his power. This is an hour long interview and we'll go through some of the clips as the show progresses. But he's clearly using this moment to try and extend his. At one point in the interview we'll play this, he says that he can change the mayor of D.C. if he wants. But listen to this clip about where Ainsley Earhart asked him about radicals on the left and radicals on the right.

Donald Trump (16:33)

Radicals on the left. People have gotten or watching all of these videos and cheering. Some people are cheering that Charlie was killed. How do we fix this country? How do we come back together?

Ainsley Earhart (16:45)

I'll tell you something that's gonna get me in trouble.

Emma Vigeland (16:47)

I'm sorry, can we just pause it for one sec? Because. Yeah, some people be specific because when there was an assassination of a Minnesota lawmaker just a few months ago, there was actually a United States senator from the state where this shooting happened, Mike Lee, who was making jokes about it. I have not seen one elected Democrat one making a joke like that.

Matt (17:10)

I mean, was he making jokes or was he just lying about who was responsible? He was spreading conspiracy theories that Tim Walz was responsible.

Emma Vigeland (17:16)

Yeah.

Ainsley Earhart (17:18)

Paid for it. Their profession, Tim and other people, street. And we're gonna look into that.

Donald Trump (17:23)

What do we do about our country with that? Because we have radicals on the right as well. We have radicals on the left. People have gotten are watching all of these videos and cheering. Some people are cheering that Charlie was killed. How do we fix this country? How do we come back together?

Ainsley Earhart (17:39)

I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. They don't want to see crime.

Adam Friedland (17:50)

Worried about the border.

Ainsley Earhart (17:51)

They're saying, we don't want these people coming in. We don't want you burning our shopping centers. We don't want you shooting our people in the middle of the street. The radicals on the left are the problem. And they're vicious and they're horrible and they're politically savvy. Although they want men and Women, sports, they want, transgender for everyone. They want open borders. The worst thing that happened in this country, because I've already solved inflation, costs are down. Look at energy costs. You're going to have $2 gas.

Sam Cedar (18:19)

Before he continues on with this rant about how the radical leftists are criminals and the radical right just wants, you know, the law is not to be broken. Like on January 6th, I guess new inflation data. Groceries are higher than they've been since 2022. But just continue.

Emma Vigeland (18:47)

Gas, groceries, hotel rooms, airfare. I headlined this yesterday. Consumer prices increased 2.9% in August from a year earlier. And it's the highest increase since the start of the year in January.

Adam Friedland (19:01)

That.

Ainsley Earhart (19:01)

I've solved just about every problem. The worst thing that happened to our country is when we let 25 million people in, many of which, and I say 80% should not be in our country. They emptied their prisons into our country. They emptied their mental institutions, insane asylum. You don't know what that is. That's. Seriously. You know what that is? A mental institution on steroids. Okay? They emptied out insane asylums, crazy people into our country by the millions. And it's a single. It's the hardest thing. You know, we have a border now that's totally secure. Nobody came in. Think of that. They actually announced nobody. We used to have millions of people come in. Nobody came in. And we back up the border with the military. We've done a great job. But the worst thing that happened to our country is to allow millions of people in from jails, mental institutions.

Sam Cedar (19:53)

So, you know, he's. But understand when he talks about this immigration stuff, this is all a predicate for sending in federal troops into cities, to having ICE and justifying the federal police force. It's sort of like extrajudicial in many respects. And it's going to be the biggest police force in the country and larger than many other militaries. So he's tying in this notion of. I mean, and I don't know how, you know, how much he maps this out, but at least in his mind, when he talks about radical right, then pivots to radical left, don't want law and order, he immediately starts using immigrants as the predicate for these radical rightists to bring in law and order against the leftists. Does he think asylum seekers are no one's insane asylums?

Emma Vigeland (20:56)

No one has corrected him.

Adam Friedland (20:57)

Does he not what we talked about.

Emma Vigeland (20:59)

This in the, in the election. He's. He's been saying this asylum thing because he's confusing political asylum with insane Asylums.

Sam Cedar (21:07)

But I want to. I wanted to. I mean. Yeah, keep going on this note because understand, this is what he's doing. He is trying to use this. And. And he also, with the added benefit of people stop talking about Epstein for a couple of days.

Emma Vigeland (21:24)

Oh, yeah.

Sam Cedar (21:25)

But he is trying to use this because this is a big opportunity for him. In his mind. I don't know if he knows of the Reichstag fire or not, but Stephen Miller does.

Matt (21:38)

He had a copy of Hitler's speeches on his bedside table per one of his ex wives.

Sam Cedar (21:43)

I just like his stylings. That's to impress girls. Yes, but here he is. This is number four where he is extending this. They had a conversation later in the program about his endorsement of Andrew Cuomo. But listen to how he characterizes what an election in New York City that elects Zoran Mamdani is.

Ainsley Earhart (22:16)

Let me just say our country is doing great. A year ago, we had a dead country. It was a dead embarrassing country. We have the hottest country anywhere in the world.

Donald Trump (22:25)

Mr. President, see these buildings?

Sam Cedar (22:28)

Pause you for one second. Pause it for one second. They all just sort of look at him when he says the hottest country in the world. Nobody knows how to. Yes. When India and China and Russia get together to forge their new alliances against us, they're talking about us. That's the important thing. Talking to you.

Emma Vigeland (22:48)

Radioactive hot, as in. Radioactive hot as in. And one of those enigmas that never.

Ainsley Earhart (22:54)

Age around the world.

Donald Trump (22:57)

Mr. President, see these buildings? A lot of them in New York City, you built.

Ainsley Earhart (23:01)

I do.

Donald Trump (23:02)

That's called capitalism, not socialism. We have Mom Donnie, who is ahead of.

Sam Cedar (23:06)

Pause it for a second. Now, people don't know this, but in countries that are partially socialist, even fully socialist, there are no buildings, people.

Matt (23:21)

Yeah, like China. China has a tough time building buildings.

Sam Cedar (23:24)

Yes, they have no buildings. It's all tents.

Emma Vigeland (23:31)

Also, the way she's talking to him like she's his granddaughter. Mr. President, look over here. Look at this photo of your grandkids. Look over there in the back. I mean, he needs this visual aid for him to look at capitalism.

Matt (23:44)

Trump used illegal undocumented labor to build Trump Tower. He didn't build it himself. He wasn't out there with a hard capitalism.

Sam Cedar (23:51)

Good polls here.

Donald Trump (23:54)

What's your reaction? Not socialism. We have Mom Donnie, who is ahead in the polls here. What's your reaction?

Ainsley Earhart (24:00)

It's amazing.

Sam Cedar (24:01)

It's up by 20.

Ainsley Earhart (24:02)

I call him my little communist. He's my little communist mayor. But, you know, he has to come to Washington for money. A lot of Money. And it's amazing. I was so surprised by this. Even the other two candidates, I mean, you know, you look at the candidates now, maybe one on one, somebody could beat him. And I'm not looking at the polls too carefully, but it would look like.

Sam Cedar (24:25)

He'S not a lie.

Ainsley Earhart (24:27)

And that's a rebellion. It's also a rebellion against bad candidates. Okay. It's a rebellion. They're tired of it. You know, they're seeing things happening. We have things being. We have taxes being put on us in New York by Democrats that are so bad that even the Democrats are revolting. It's not possible for a Democrat to lose, you know, and the presidential election.

Sam Cedar (24:47)

I mean, aside from the fact that what he's saying is completely incomprehensible, the Democrat is going to win ostensibly in this election, and he's saying it's a rebellion. And the candidate that he, that he is talking about wants to raise taxes and has been rather public about that. So the. I don't. I don't know what else to.

Adam Friedland (25:12)

Say.

Sam Cedar (25:13)

But that to call it a rebellion. And then he tries, he realizes, like, wait a second, an election's not a rebellion. It's a rebellion against.

Emma Vigeland (25:24)

Democrats.

Sam Cedar (25:25)

And that's why Curtis Lewa is not going to win.

Matt (25:28)

And it's a rebellion against bad candidates. One of whom I'm endorsing against Zoran Mamdani and Chris Cuomo or Andrew Cuomo.

Emma Vigeland (25:34)

Yeah. And they were not able to actually strong arm Eric Adams out of the ballot. Like, the ballots are locked in at this point. They were trying to get him to drop out, to coalesce behind Cuomo. And I wonder what that, like, it's interesting that they weren't able to get him to do that. I mean, they were able to get him to try to, like, you know, use his pending prosecution to agree to their immigration crackdown. Does. Is that a. Is that as, you know, a harbinger of things to come, of their power waning? I don't know.

Sam Cedar (26:07)

Well, I think what happened with Adams, too, on some level is that the leak that they were having this conversation. There are people who have large investments in Saudi Arabia, and Eric Adams is on Team Eric Adams. And I have a feeling that there were other people in the sort of orbit of Trump who said, no, we're not going to send Eric Adams to Saudi Arabia.

Emma Vigeland (26:37)

Right.

Sam Cedar (26:38)

That is not happening.

Emma Vigeland (26:40)

That's a job for, like, your son, Eric Trump, who's mining all that crypto there so we can make some more money, buddy.

Sam Cedar (26:46)

And I suspect that Eric Adams also, you know, he's like, well if I'm not getting Saudi Arabia, like I want something very cush because he's used to getting paid for stuff just even from being a borough president, Brooklyn. So. But this is understand how they're using this. Now again, it remains to be seen what the politics of of this guy Tyler Robinson is. He, if you look at just the broad context, it does not look like a guy who's coming from an antifa background. But you know, one, one never knows and we need to hear but certainly some of this we have been saying from the beginning that the groipers really don't like Charlie Rose. Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk not a big fan of Rose. Also not a fan of Charlie Rose, but Charlie Kirk and should also say we don't hear much of them anymore. The Boogaloo Boys. They had an ideology that was very much about creating a civil war or civil unrest. And if you think about what the implications of this are, you know, the Charlie Kirk being killed from the perspective of leftists, from the perspective of center lefts, you know, to the. It's also quite possible there's just no coherent ideological or political motive behind this and someone just wanted to be famous, right? But to the extent that there is any agenda being fulfilled by this, it is not one that benefits leftists. Now I will say that like I have always had a policy of when public people die, judging them based on what they have added to public life. So when, you know, folks like Anand Scalia passed away, this was very beneficial to society in my estimation. Now he may be a good dad, he may be a good brother or husband or whatever, but I don't know Ant and Scalia that way. I only know the existence of this guy because of things like getting rid of the Voting Rights act or a whole host of other horrible rulings. And I felt the same way about folks like Breitbart or Kissinger or whomever it is. And I would feel the same way if there were people who die who, you know, the I they were helpful to society but maybe they weren't particularly, you know, a good dad or a good brother or a good, you know, son or whatever. But I found this piece of writing which I think sums up what I've been saying in the past many times. I don't agree with this person on a lot of things. But when someone dies who is a public figure by virtue of their political acts like Ronald Reagan, discussions of them upon death will inherently be politicized. How they are remembered is not strictly a matter of the sensitivity of their loved ones, but has substantial impact on the culture which discusses their lives. To allow significant political figures to be heralded with purely one sided requiems enforced by misguided, even if well intentioned, notions of private etiquette that bar discussion of their bad acts is not a matter of politeness, it's deceitful and propagandistic. Glenn Greenwald wrote that some time back and I think that's accurate. Like I don't believe that anybody should be shot, killed. I don't think they'd be shot and injured. It's like, you know those kids who got shot in Colorado on the same day by a white supremacist. But that doesn't mean that you have to pay tribute to the person and whitewash their entire contribution to society like.

Emma Vigeland (31:17)

Ezra Klein did in the New York Times.

Sam Cedar (31:19)

Like Ezra Klein or whomever.

Emma Vigeland (31:21)

I mean, and I do think there's something different than it's a different conversation to when it's a political assassination like this versus like celebrating the death of Scalia from natural causes or something like that. 100%. Because yeah, because of what this means about our culture, our society, the precedent it sets. And regardless of all of our, you know, major disagreements with Charlie Kirk, political assassinations and targetings like this are a very, very scary thing. And the fact that we're in this place as a society, we obviously condemn it in the most vociferous terms. So it's.

Sam Cedar (32:01)

Two things can be true. Exactly, two things can be true. That the. If there is less rhetoric saying that planes that have been misbelt are falling out of the sky because pilots are black. If there's less rhetoric about saying that slavery was beneficial to black people. If there's less rhetoric saying that people have to die, it's just the price. People getting shot, kids getting shot at schools is the price of having a second amendment. I could go on and on. Black women process. Black women don't have processing, doesn't exist. Palestine doesn't exist. I mean, I could go on and on. We have probably videos on many of this stuff.

Matt (32:49)

Shouldn't have done the civil rights.

Sam Cedar (32:50)

There is. It shouldn't have done the Civil Rights Act. We're going to make professor watch lists and put professors on watch lists as.

Matt (32:58)

The free speech guy.

Sam Cedar (33:01)

The absence of all that is a positive, but it also has to be offset by the absolute negative of people being shot with guns or, you know, killed by any other method.

Emma Vigeland (33:19)

And so based on political speech. Right?

Sam Cedar (33:22)

Based on anything. I mean, I You know, you know, short of like immediate self defense measures, I don't believe anybody should ever be shot with a gun and, or you know, killed by any other mean, for that matter. And so one can denounce the act.

Matt (33:44)

Don't forget when he said someone should bail up the guy who beat Pelosi's husband with a hammer.

Sam Cedar (33:48)

Yes. I mean, and this is a guy who also said, you know, you shouldn't express empathy. It doesn't exist or whatever it was.

Emma Vigeland (33:54)

It's a new age concept.

Sam Cedar (33:56)

Regardless, regardless, one should never celebrate this type of violent act. But that doesn't mean that you should celebrate the victim of it. Because now I understand why people who have a problem with, you know, have questions as to whether black people can be competent or whether, you know, Jews, as he said, not all Jews, but many Jews are conspiring to, you know, support these causes. Anti white racism, anti white. I can understand why those people would see this guy as some type of martyr because that's their right wing, authoritarian, revanchist perspective. And so of course they have their heroes. Stephen Miller is one of their heroes. But I don't understand why anybody gives Charlie Kirk outside. Anybody who doesn't subscribe to that vision of how society should be would give Charlie Kirk any credit. I mean, was he talented as a broadcaster or. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's been a lot of very talented communicators in the world who you wouldn't want, you know, to be in your society. So it's just sort of bizarre to me to watch what's going on in that respect.

Emma Vigeland (35:42)

Well, it's, I think the people that are most engaging in it in our media are, it's not shocking to me that they're rich white men because kind of once you get to that level of wealth and elitism, partisan differences are a little bit less important and people begin to just identify with a guy like Charlie Kirk and Ezra Klein probably as a little bit more. And others who are engaging in this.

Matt (36:09)

Like even people to be deported over political disagreements. Like, I mean even Joan, Nasty guy.

Emma Vigeland (36:16)

Even Joan Walsh, who is somebody who we'd had disagreements about in the past about like, you know, Hillary Clinton's campaign had a pretty scathing kind of remark about what Klein had to say in the Times in the Nation this morning. And I agree with it completely. Like you can. Yesterday I made a great effort to condemn the violence in the greatest possible terms in terms of like these attack on someone's political speech. It's completely, completely indefensible. But you can do that without just doing revisionist history about what provided to society.

Sam Cedar (36:52)

And you know, the stuff about supposedly he was taken out by Israel or stuff like this. I'm sorry, that is.

Emma Vigeland (37:03)

We'll get into that.

Sam Cedar (37:04)

Yeah, absurd. We could talk about that later. But that's absurd. To the extent that, you know, Charlie Kirk was responding to mounting criticism of Israel in this country, you have to understand that Charlie Kirk was a politician and his, his ideological stuff has moved significantly to the right over the course of the past 10 years.

Matt (37:30)

Even on MLK, he used to be more pro MLK and now is anti MLK because of Fuente.

Sam Cedar (37:34)

I'm telling you, when I debated that guy in 20, was it 2017 or 2018, he was significantly more libertarian than he was when he died. And, and part of that was because he was being challenged over the course of that period of time. I mean, this is a guy whose most recent comment on gay people was that God's perfect law says they should be stoned. I don't know if he subscribed to God's perfect law or not, but he's out there saying that publicly. I, I am quite sure that there is video out there of the gripers coming in and at a TPUSA conference and criticizing him for sitting on stage with a gay guy. And so his politics, you know, changed because his, his base changed. All right, we gotta do this ad went a little longer than I had anticipated that we got more of this Trump stuff in a moment. Meanwhile, today's episode is sponsored by one of Our favorite sponsors, SunsetLakeSeba Day.com Summer's almost over. And if your summer was like mine, you probably need ways to re center. Although I have to say like it's really the start of the school year. Oh my gosh, I had forgot how taxing that can be. As like I'm getting like two hours of sleep and my cat has decided now that the time to wake up is 4:30 in the morning. Oh, and with me nervous about my son getting enough sleep, I keep his door shut and my door open and then the cat comes in and it's. But it has not to be able.

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Emma Vigeland (42:07)

Frank. Yeah, no, that's okay.

Sam Cedar (42:09)

Did you call him Frank?

Adam Friedland (42:10)

What?

Emma Vigeland (42:10)

No, no, no.

Sam Cedar (42:13)

Adam Friedland is going to be on the program in probably 20 minutes. So how's that for an intro? Comedian and host of the Adam Friedland Show. Yes. I mean I think people know it. Right. So I forgot to do that. All right, what should we go back to here? Oh, okay. Yeah. So Trump has been in mourning. Just give you a sense of this. Here was a question posed to him yesterday. Was this yesterday? This is this morning. Oh, this is this morning. Yes. He, he's back into morning mode. This is. Well, they call it morning for a reason. This is Donald Trump in the morning today talking about how difficult it's Been, oh, posit, I should say they're asking him, my condolences about Charlie Kirk. How are you holding up? And Trump gets pretty heartfelt here. How are you holding up over the.

Ainsley Earhart (43:27)

Last three and a half days? I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks. They just started construction of the new borough for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years. And it's going to be a beauty. It'll be an absolutely magnificent structure. And I just see all the trucks we just started. So it'll get done very soon, nicely, and it'll be one of the best.

Sam Cedar (43:52)

Anywhere in the world. Now, there's a lot of people who say, like, wait a second. Trump's asked, how are you holding up? In light of Charlie Kirk passing away. And he goes on to say immediately to pivot to what's happening with the White House ballroom. And people. I know there's people out there saying, oh, Trump claimed that Charlie Kirk was like a son to him. I think this actually proves that.

Emma Vigeland (44:22)

Exactly, exactly.

Sam Cedar (44:25)

This is. I can't imagine Trump responding any other way. Now, of course, this is three days after. Let's just check out how he was doing last night as he was in mourning for Charlie.

Adam Friedland (44:39)

9 11.

Emma Vigeland (44:39)

I mean, on 9 11, a somber day. Grief is not linear. So Sam. And it doesn't. You can't judge people because for how they process things, for how they process. There's denial, there's bargaining. We don't. And sometimes there's the Village People and sometimes those stages.

Sam Cedar (44:55)

Flip, here he is last night.

Emma Vigeland (45:18)

That's my jam.

Sam Cedar (45:19)

Beautiful song. I mean, we can't spend all our time in morning. I got the tallest building in New York.

Emma Vigeland (45:27)

Do we, do we have the photo of Trump crying, though? I mean, he did show some public kind of grief at the. We played a little bit of footage of this yesterday, but now we have high quality still images of Trump just being, you know, this is the typical face when you're sad. Right.

Matt (45:46)

I wish someone would play the ymca.

Emma Vigeland (45:49)

Some people were making fun of, you know, maybe Trump might have had a little bit of a droopy face. Oh, my God, dude. And the. There were all these Republicans. Like, he's just mourning. He's mourning. That's the famous morning face that you make.

Matt (46:06)

I mean, the most anodyne explanation is that is he had dental work done.

Sam Cedar (46:10)

I've got problem with my Invisalign.

Adam Friedland (46:12)

Sure.

Sam Cedar (46:13)

Everybody's on me about that. I just think I Like to, you.

Emma Vigeland (46:17)

Know, we know that he loves to steal some strokes during golf.

Matt (46:22)

Ymca.

Emma Vigeland (46:30)

You know, he has a handicap in golf.

Sam Cedar (46:33)

Oh my God.

Matt (46:36)

Let's go to this weird Spencer Cox thing where he talked about praying for the who.

Sam Cedar (46:43)

Yeah, there's a couple of things. This is again from the press conference today where Spencer Cox wanted to end speculation about what was on the shell casings and so basically reads off what was on there, which of course is nothing but an accelerant and fuel on a speculative fire. Like, if you genuinely wanted to inhibit speculation, you wouldn't release this information right now until you add a broader context to it. I will also say at one point during this guy's press conference, as he pretends, and this is, it's sort of fascinating because this is, this was a very, very dog whistle laden press conference because he, he knows, he's taught, you know, he's got, obviously in within Utah there is a politeness about Mormonism that he's got to appeal to. He also knows that he's being viewed nationally and so he's got to come off like he's calling for national, national reconciliation. But he does specifically say he was proud of Utahns by dog whistling. Essentially. We didn't have any George Floyd protests here. Now, he didn't say George Floyd, but he started going through a litany of things. Now there's a whole wide range of responses that could happen here. And we know somebody was beaten up like I think was in Idaho or Iowa, I'm not sure exactly where there was a protest.

Matt (48:29)

They went past the vigil, said fuck Charlie Kirk.

Adam Friedland (48:31)

Oh, Idaho.

Sam Cedar (48:33)

People didn't respond so well to that. But the he, he did not have to bring up and sort of like contrast what his story of like buildings being burned down and whatnot with this moment because his people know what he's contrasting and to I think like the sort of like the ears of people who aren't familiar what is the consistent refrain of right wingers in this country about what happened during the Biden administration or, you know, during 2020, it would have passed, but. And here he is now also sort of like, this is a weird thing to pray for.

Spencer Cox (49:31)

You know, this bad stuff happens. And for, for 33 hours I was, I was praying that, that if this had to happen here that it wouldn't be one of us, that somebody drove from another state, somebody came from another country. Sadly, that prayer was not answered the way I hoped for. Just because I thought it would make it easier on us if we could just say, hey, we don't do that here.

Emma Vigeland (50:07)

Can you pause it?

Sam Cedar (50:08)

I wonder who his us was.

Emma Vigeland (50:10)

Yeah, look at Cash Patel behind him. Like, we don't know who leaked that false information to the Wall Street Journal from the. What's it, The Bureau of atf. But I believe. But it was false information. And I believe that Cash Patel is the acting director of the ATF. Or he was removed, sorry. In April of 2025. Either way, they were trying to get ahead of the narrative to blame trans people immediately because they don't want it to be one of us. And you can look at that in a. If this shooter was from Utah but was of Muslim descent or was black or was Latino, do you think that this governor would be saying he was in.

Matt (51:00)

His prayers are answered. His prayers are answered. And I mean, this is entirely like Charlie Kirk was asked about shootings in America and he said, what do you mean? Gang violence. And then he was shot in Utah. Like, this is this. This is the same denial about this problem with guns in this country and violence, that they like to put it off on some sort of racialized other. No, it is you, Spencer.

Adam Friedland (51:21)

Right, Right.

Emma Vigeland (51:22)

And this is proven when you look at per capita crime statistics, violent crime statistics in red areas of the country versus the crime they're constantly talking about in blue cities, because that's code for basically liberal degeneracy and multiculturalism, which is what they're actually at war against. So they are in a cult like denial about the violence that is in a lot of these red states because of the circulation of weaponry. And we now know a little bit more about the weapon. Right, so it was a Mauser, is what they were saying, right, Brian?

Adam Friedland (52:02)

Yeah, Mauser 30 had six.

Emma Vigeland (52:04)

So, you know, just to clarify what we were saying yesterday, because we didn't have all of the information, it wasn't an assault weapon, but still we have just way, way, way too many guns. And the kid, from what we've seen, the guy, the young man, the killer was awash in guns his whole life.

Sam Cedar (52:24)

Now somebody in the chat says, in Utah, not one of us means not L. It's unclear if this guy was lds. Now they say it was his youth pastor. Now, that is not Mormon terminology, but we don't know if that's been sort of translated by the news media. So, you know, I wouldn't make assumptions about what, you know, what religious background this guy comes from.

Adam Friedland (53:06)

It doesn't matter. Just preying on the identity of the shooter.

Sam Cedar (53:09)

Coming from a governor, whatever he means, it's insane. Exactly. It doesn't matter. Exactly. I mean, the shell casing talk, all of this stuff. I was praying that it wasn't one of us, that it was an outsider from a foreign country. Like, why?

Emma Vigeland (53:29)

Because they were looking at this exclusively through the lens of political opportunity and a way to demonize anybody who isn't basically a white man or in their coalition 100%.

Sam Cedar (53:44)

Because, you know, there's another perspective, you could say, like, it is heartbreaking when I think about someone from our community.

Emma Vigeland (53:51)

Yes.

Sam Cedar (53:52)

Where we have these values. And it is a reminder that there is no community that is not subject to having people who, who do bad things. But instead, he's like, I've been hanging on to the notion, wishing, praying that I would not have to recognize that bad things and bad people are like us. And you can. I mean, this is one of the only times in the entire thing where he almost starts to choke up, where he has to sort of like. It is very difficult for me to admit that there may be some flaw. My.

Emma Vigeland (54:40)

Okay, do you have the quote tweet of what I sent to in the chat of this tweet? Because I think the point is really good. But we played this yesterday, Nancy Mace, and you know, immediately saying the Democrats own this, and then a reporter asking her, well, what about the shooting of the Minnesota lawmakers, that assassination, you know, what do you have to say anything about that? And she got really, really outraged. And she was like frothing at the mouth about using slurs against trans people yesterday. I don't want. I. No, I mean, to be honest, I don't want to hear her anti trans slurs. She just wants attention from that. You can, you can know what she said, right? And I think that came out.

Matt (55:25)

It looks like a T slur or someone who supports T slurs.

Emma Vigeland (55:28)

Exactly. And then. But now that we find out that the shooter was or the suspect was a white male, we know Charlie Kirk would want us to pray for such an evil and lost individual like Tyler Robinson to find Jesus Christ. We will try to do the same. And the quote tweet from the person, I don't know. I sent that in our chat, but. Or maybe I didn't. Apologies. Somebody just pointed that out, basically.

Matt (55:58)

But find Jesus, he told his youth pastor in like a day, yeah, she.

Emma Vigeland (56:02)

Was out for blood when it was a. She thought it was a trans woman. And now it's prayer for this kind of guy. And this is the equivalent of what the cops did with Dylann Roof, taking him out to Burger King or whatever.

Matt (56:13)

After he shot up that black church, the Rhodesia fan.

Sam Cedar (56:21)

Let's go back to that Trump's appearance today on Fox and Friends because again, there's another example, this is number seven of Trump trying to use this moment. And I think ultimately, again, we're not going to know until we know more about Charlie Kirk's killer, Tyler Robinson, as to like, what his motivation was. But it is starting to look like the motivations are going to be very inconvenient for the story that the right wing has been trying to tell over the course of the past, whatever it is, 72 hours. And Donald Trump, his project right now is to try and exploit this as much as possible to stoke more violence, more polarization, more intrigue and more distraction. And here he is, like, he can't help himself. If I ask you what is the, the answer to bailing out this dinghy we're in that has a leak? And I say this bucket, except for this bucket, has a leak. What is the answer? Well, here is how Donald Trump answers the question. What is the response to this? What should it be? Friends and families confirmed it. So is the message too, to the right?

Adam Friedland (58:16)

The people that are going to go.

Ainsley Earhart (58:18)

I want revenge, not to have revenge.

Adam Friedland (58:20)

Charlie Kirk would not want revenge.

Ainsley Earhart (58:22)

You want revenge at the voter. That's, that's where to go. But unfortunately, we don't have so many ballot boxes because they have mail in voting, which is totally rigged. You know, there are a lot of problems. I like ballot boxes where you can, they do mail in voting all over the place, which is, which is rigged. Anytime Jimmy Carter, they had a commission, he said, any time you have mail in voting, it's a crooked election. Okay? And they got stop. But I say, so I can't really say the ballot box because in some cases, like California doesn't have ballot. Ballot boxes, they send out 38 million ballots.

Sam Cedar (58:53)

Well, I think you get the point. What do you say to people who want revenge? Well, you got to get revenge at the ballot box. Of course, there are no ballot boxes. So I don't know, you come up with an answer. I mean, it is so clear. And I don't know if Donald Trump is, you know, how calculating his brain is capable of being right now, but instinctually, he knows that every answer he gives has to push his people to more violence. He knows this. He knows that he has to stoke anger and has to create an enemy within the country. Otherwise people start scrutinizing him. Otherwise people start paying attention to the fact that grocery prices are at a five year of almost A four year high that job numbers are also almost five years of being in the number in terms of underperforming that the economy in many states is already arguably in a recession. And so this is what he has.

Emma Vigeland (60:15)

We'Ve been saying this, that he's going to increase authoritarian tactics the more that his approval rating drops. What's a little fascinating is that he is clearly struggling. Like, I don't know what else to say about it. He's functioning. He's clearly recovering from whatever happened that kept him out of the public eye for around a week. But there's two sides of that. One is that the amount of chaos that he can stoke is a little bit more limited, it feels like right now directly. But then we just have President Stephen Miller and he's basically running the show there. Like there was so much fan fiction about Trump's Israel policy based on what he was saying on like Theo Vaughn or whatever. And people just did not reckon with any of both his track record and the facts of who his longest advisor has been on this front and only second to his anti Latino racism, Stephen Miller is his Zionism and his hatred of Palestinians. And that's a bit of a different topic there. But it is, I think when you look at the way that policy is being directed right now from the administration, Stephen Miller is across basically every part of it.

Sam Cedar (61:37)

All right, we're going to take a break and when we come back, Adam Friedland, comedian, host of the Adam Friedland show, will be joining us. You may recall that he recently had an interesting conversation with Congressman Richie Torres. I feel like Torres has gone completely underground since then. Is that just me? Well, we'll ask Adam. Maybe he's tracking him.

Emma Vigeland (62:03)

Maybe. Maybe they're friends.

Sam Cedar (62:05)

All right, we'll take a quick break right after this. We are back. Sam Cedar, Emma Vigland on the Majority Report. It is a pleasure to welcome to the program Adam Friedland, comedian. You're the host of the Adam Friedland show, is that correct?

Adam Friedland (62:59)

Yeah. Barely a comedian at this point, but yes. Thank you.

Sam Cedar (63:04)

And we appreciate your coming on. I was just remarking, those are nice paintings behind you. Did you paint those?

Adam Friedland (63:14)

No. Yeah. No, guy. A guy painted it. Yeah.

Sam Cedar (63:19)

Okay.

Adam Friedland (63:21)

It's nice. Yeah. I've decided if I'm never going to own a home, I may as well. I'm a hard asset. I'm like a money under the mattress Jew. I had everything in checking until like, like six months ago. I'm very bad at money. But I was like, if I could never, like, look at A stock portfolio or something and like feel pleasure. But I'm like, if you buy something that you look at that's nice, like whatever these wacky folks. I'm like, yeah, that's like. It makes me smile.

Spencer Cox (63:50)

I know there's been speculation as well as to the, the writing on those.

Sam Cedar (63:55)

Where's that coming from?

Emma Vigeland (63:57)

The voice of God, I guess that we don't know.

Sam Cedar (64:00)

Well, that was, that was the, the governor of Utah. I'm not sure if you've heard about the news. That's Ken Bone.

Adam Friedland (64:07)

Ken Bone. He can't make up his mind.

Emma Vigeland (64:10)

Right.

Sam Cedar (64:11)

Undecided.

Adam Friedland (64:14)

What's going on.

Sam Cedar (64:16)

Yeah, there's been news that.

Adam Friedland (64:18)

Damn. That guy in the red sweater.

Emma Vigeland (64:20)

Oh yeah.

Sam Cedar (64:21)

They got.

Adam Friedland (64:22)

Who even is undecided these days, you know, like McCain, Obama, like make up your freaking mind.

Sam Cedar (64:28)

Exactly. Well, it's. You're just catching up with that election.

Adam Friedland (64:33)

Yeah, well, I kind of like, I don't like letting the zeitgeist, like I like wait to see movies and stuff and. Yeah, so I, I just checked out Interstellar.

Sam Cedar (64:46)

What a lot of stick. That's also a good one that's percolating right now.

Adam Friedland (64:51)

Yeah, I dream of rain. Yellay. I'm sorry, guys. Barely a comedian. As I said. Yeah. The news really stinks, right?

Sam Cedar (65:03)

Yeah, it's very difficult news time.

Adam Friedland (65:09)

We usually not good news, right? It's usually not good.

Sam Cedar (65:12)

But this is like a little bit more intense than normal. But you know what? I thought we would talk about a little bit. I don't know if you remember this, but you had a conversation with Richie Torres who's a congressman from New York, and that caused quite a stir.

Adam Friedland (65:32)

Yeah, I, I, Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. It wasn't a stir. I think most people liked it.

Sam Cedar (65:40)

Yeah, Well, I mean it. But people were, I think excited. Not. No, no.

Adam Friedland (65:44)

Those guys, the Barry Vice people, they were, they were saying that I was like a, like a hook nosed, like a banker. Like they're going, they're going old school. Anti Semitic.

Sam Cedar (65:56)

Well, that's the thing is the Barry Wise people really took you to task in a way that I found a little bit surprising because it was as if like you let them down. Have the folks over at Free Press and now I guess she's CBS News. Did they, I mean, had you had some type of like prior relationship with them or something? They seem very, very disappointed in you. No. And then had an issue with like how, how un. Jewish you were.

Adam Friedland (66:28)

They expect, they expected more. I don't know. They've been following. I mean They've been following since the breakfast sandwich episode of Cometown. I don't know. Yeah, no, I. I didn't know what it was the Free Press, but I will say that my father. At first, you know, when I was doing that interview, it's. What part? But I mean, I don't know. It's like. This is like an argument you. We've been having in our family for 20 years, and now it's a very public.

Sam Cedar (66:58)

About Richie Torres.

Adam Friedland (66:59)

Yeah. Yeah. Is Richie Torres dope or not? Yeah. Yeah. But my father. Yeah, my dad watched every. I thought I. You know, it's just like, I didn't want to. You know, they're members of your family. It's. It's that were born shortly after the Holocaust, as I explained, and they kind of have been. There's a certain paradigm that they've been operating under most of their lives. And it's. It's. You know, I didn't want to, like, it's difficult. It's like. It's families and stuff. I didn't want to. I didn't inform my decision to say what I wanted to say, but I was like, you know, my dad told me his heart rate monitor went off multiple times. I was like, I'm not going to kill my dad.

Emma Vigeland (67:45)

Which would make you Hamas.

Adam Friedland (67:46)

But he watched everything. He watched. Okay, enough with the jokes, Emma.

Sam Cedar (67:51)

Okay.

Adam Friedland (67:52)

Is everything a joke? No, actually, my dad watched everything. He watched every response. And he saw that m. He has a. I have a. I have a bone to pick with you. You said that my. He said. And the majority report girl said that I'm radical. I'm a radical. And I was like, no, I'll. I'll set the record straight. You're a good. He's an architect. In fact. No, but I will say that he saw them calling me a capo and he.

Sam Cedar (68:20)

Well, wait a second. Let's not move on. Let's go to the Barry Weiss thing.

Emma Vigeland (68:24)

I don't know if I attacked your father.

Sam Cedar (68:26)

We need to get. We.

Adam Friedland (68:27)

Press guy called me a couple, and my dad was like. To co op language from the show, he's like, these people are hypocrites. And I was like, that's right on. Right on. Max Freeland. Yeah. It was like, kind of. Yes. He was like, don't. You. Don't fuck with my boy. You know?

Sam Cedar (68:42)

Well, I mean, it's good that he came to defense, but we really need to air this out.

Emma Vigeland (68:46)

Yeah.

Sam Cedar (68:47)

With Emma, because.

Adam Friedland (68:48)

Oh, my God.

Sam Cedar (68:49)

Your dad.

Adam Friedland (68:51)

My dad got mad at Emma. Yeah. No, And I said, but he's. He. I said, you know, if I ever go on that program, I will tell that. That young lady that. Yeah, that, you know, he's.

Sam Cedar (69:03)

Well, wait a second. Let me just yell at me. What do you.

Adam Friedland (69:06)

I forgot, actually.

Emma Vigeland (69:08)

I remember what I say five minutes after I said.

Adam Friedland (69:10)

You said that my family's isis, I believe.

Sam Cedar (69:13)

No, no, no.

Adam Friedland (69:13)

Yeah.

Sam Cedar (69:16)

Emma was, I think, quoting you as to saying that you were somewhat indoctrinated by your family.

Adam Friedland (69:24)

That's what he was.

Emma Vigeland (69:26)

I was paraphrasing slightly, but obviously I hit a nerve.

Adam Friedland (69:31)

Well, the truth is, Listen, this is. I'm making a whole lots of pudding of this. The truth is, is that in our community, that this is. This is something we believe and we're taught to believe growing up. I mean, that's what my parents were. Were told growing up. It's. It's. No, I'm doing a goof on Emma right now. But like, the. The truth is, that's what's difficult about it is that, you know, the assumption after the Holocaust and as. As I said in the interviews, like, my, My family, like, they were much. The proximity was. I mean, they were. My dad. My parents were born like five years after, and it was. It horrified people. And the assumption was we needed the Jewish state to prevent another Holocaust. I do think, on the other hand, like, let's say if you're creating a state to avoid a genocide, wouldn't this undermine the very premise of the state? You know, I mean, but that, that's neither here nor there. I mean, I mean, I think it's.

Sam Cedar (70:27)

I think it's there. I think it's there.

Emma Vigeland (70:29)

It's here, it's here and there.

Sam Cedar (70:30)

Actually, no, no, I mean, I think.

Adam Friedland (70:31)

It'S just, it's in. In general, I was like, I thought I did a bad job at that.

Sam Cedar (70:38)

With Richie Torres in the, in the.

Adam Friedland (70:40)

Room, I felt like I got emotional. Typically. I'm like, I. I was talking too much. I wasn't really listening. I was just talking. You know, it was just something that kind of happened. It wasn't like, deliberate. And typically when I'm doing the interviews, I'm. I have like a little bit more of a plan or, you know, it just. It felt derailed as an interviewer in my mind. And then the funny thing is, is that I. It was a deliberation what to do with it, because, like, you know, in the edit, watching like the. I'm Jewish, it was a misery. I was like, I can't watch this guy. This guy. And So I sent it around to people and I said this to Sam on the phone. The funny. Like, all of my Jewish friends, like, you know, incredibly pro Palestine Jewish friends even were like, I didn't, I don't know. And then, and then all of my like non Jewish friends were like, this is a watershed moment. This is like. And I, I think the, the, the. What I found out was they were like, you know, of course you're just. He's being Jewish, he's being a histrionic cry baby and he's.

Emma Vigeland (71:55)

Well, you're also self hating right now. I mean, you're being extreme. You're. You're.

Adam Friedland (72:00)

What do you mean self hate? What, what do we. Have you met a Jewish person?

Emma Vigeland (72:04)

Well, no, I'm not, I'm not weighing in anymore.

Sam Cedar (72:07)

No, no.

Adam Friedland (72:08)

I think that in reality, after the fact, I felt fine. I mean, the prior to it, it was, it was a kind of a. It was the first time I feel like it was like the show was a little bit like stressing me out. But after the fact I felt good because I saw that people were like, I think it's important a. That Jewish people. There's this posted Nostra code of silence a lot of the time, even if you're opposed to it, you know, and, you know, I think that we have to, we have to show support for Palestine. And, and also just like on the basis of the anti Semitism argument, like they're making this argument and I, I think he said I was trying to justify anti Semitism. I was like, no, we have to try and understand what's happening, where it's coming from right now. And it' There's a Jewish star and then there's a brutality.

Emma Vigeland (73:03)

And I'll be sincere for a second say, Adam, like, the fact that you were so vulnerable I think was like I had multiple people send it to me and you know, all women. So I think maybe you being vulnerable is a real ladies magnet situation.

Adam Friedland (73:20)

But no, they don't, like, they don't respect you, honestly, if you do it. I tried multiple times.

Emma Vigeland (73:25)

I guess I just. My sensibilities are, you know, a lefty as soy boy type, but. But no.

Sam Cedar (73:32)

Did you just call him a soy boy?

Adam Friedland (73:33)

Yeah, like that.

Emma Vigeland (73:38)

Yeah, yeah, sure. There, there.

Sam Cedar (73:40)

That.

Emma Vigeland (73:40)

The vulnerability was a good thing and it made Torres look like a sociopath in every sense of the word. So I think you accomplished a goal, or at least that would have been my goal. Going, going into it. And you achieved that. That.

Adam Friedland (73:58)

Yeah, I don't. I. I mean, what I really was trying to do is just show like. I thought it was interesting, like, his backstory, which I was trying to like, kind of provide a Runway for, which is that he's like, from extreme poverty and try to kill himself. And then he made it all the way to Congress. I mean, it's kind of like. Kind of like a lifetime move. I mean, it's like a really. Like, that story itself is like, you listen, Sam, if he let a couple of us run the little. The PR for that, I mean, we could do amazing things with this. I mean, multiple incredible things with it. But yeah, then linking that to like, kind of like a hasbara trip. And then like, how does one represent the poorest district in America? And then kind of tweet about this other thing. 90% of the time, it's just. That's putting in that context, I think was try out. My attempt was to do it to like, kind of like tell a story or try to like, find out a story. I think in my mind, I felt like, oh, this is falling off the rails. And I. But I think that I.

Sam Cedar (75:07)

Did you have a sense that he was upset during it? Because at the end there's a little bit. There's a moment or two of. Of, you know, when. When you guys are sort of like stepping off the stage.

Adam Friedland (75:20)

Yeah.

Sam Cedar (75:21)

He seems.

Adam Friedland (75:23)

He say he thought it was a. Disappointed. The thing is, like, I don't listen. I. I'm not like, from Paul. Like, I'm from Cumtown. Like, that wasn't like, I'm not trying to like, maneuver in the freaking D.C. you know, kind of. I think he thought that it was like I was an activist or something. He said he kept. He used the term activist a couple times. What I tried to. I saw that interview with Jonathan Greenblatt. It came out two days prior with.

Sam Cedar (75:55)

The Times and the head of the adl.

Adam Friedland (75:58)

Yeah. And he. They. They use like lived experience a lot. Right. And which is funny because it's like kind of like. That's like. Like, like, what do you call it? Intersectionality? Kind of like. Like academic, like terminology. But like, it is kind of like as a move rhetorically kind of interesting because it's like if someone has their lived experience is that they experience anti Semitism. That is I guess how they felt. But like in our minds were like, yeah, you saw a Palestinian flag or something. I don't like, you know, but like, it's still their lived experience. So I was like, rhetorically. I want to just limit things to like, any. Only things that I know Personally. And then. See, that was. I think that came across.

Sam Cedar (76:49)

Yes, I mean, I think that was. I mean, I think that's what distinguishes what you did from sort of like a. A political. Well, I don't want to say political, but political capital. P. I guess sort of like actors or, you know, you know, so called objective journalism on some level was that you were relating it to your lived experience, which, you know, I think in some instances for. For some people I think is, you know, suspect at times. But in your instance, I think it's, you know, it's certainly one that was consistent with my lived experience, at least, you know, in this day and age. And he sort of. Torres seemed to take offense to that on some level only because it was inconsistent with his story.

Adam Friedland (77:45)

Yeah, I think, I mean, I don't. I mean, he could have, like, if Bill Clinton was. If I was interviewing Bill Clinton, he could have danced on that. If Lindsey Graham was sitting there, like, he could have. Bill Clinton would have been like, thank you for sharing. And I, I will put this in my heart. And then I would have been screwed. Then I would have been like, but you took $1.5 billion. And then I would have looked like Columbia Kuffiya. They. That. Whatever they want to call anyone that's opposed to the war and. But in reality, like, I don't know, I just, I was surprised, honestly, that it wasn't. I thought that, yes, as you said before, like, I guess the. The object. The kind of. What I wanted to do was have a con. Have this conversation. Not in like a Internet point counterpoint way. I mean, like, when he brought up like the, the Hebron Massacre, I could have been like, oh, but like, you know, the Stern Gang and the like, right. Goldstein and like the, the King David Hotel. I could have like, given my points and stuff like that too. But I'm like, yeah, but like, you know, how does that justify anything that's happened? Of course there. Yeah, there were. There. There was violence leading up to the formation of the state of Israel. That's correct. But it's like, I mean, what's clear is that, like, it's not like it doesn't. That's where you lose the conversation. I think you just say to someone as an elected official, you know, you come from a certain place, why is this your thing? And also, why do you like, are you looking at this like, like, what are you seeing right now? Well, I think that's like, maybe it.

Emma Vigeland (79:24)

Was also just like, what underscored when you made it about your, like, lived Experience. And it was less of a politic with a capital P interview. It just made him trying to preach anti Semitism to you, like, so far, like such a farce and so embarrassing for him that I don't know how he kept trying to go back to that. Well, like, were you surprised that he didn't even acknowledge the history of like, your family in the Holocaust or anything like that? It just felt like it's kind of a lack of past.

Adam Friedland (79:57)

It is. It's more of a lack of political instincts, really. I mean, like. Well, yeah, I mean, it's. He just like, like that's not like a good. You look like. I mean, politicians are supposed to be like, razzle dazzle, right? Like, I think it's kind of like, like, it was. That was odd to me. Right? Like, I think about, you know, like, I think.

Sam Cedar (80:24)

I think the thing about Torres is, like, he. I can say that he blocked me before I barely even knew he. Who he was. And I think he has never put himself in a situation where his perspective on this particular topic has ever been questioned. I mean, which. So when we talk about political instincts, how did he end up on your show?

Emma Vigeland (80:51)

Oh, good question.

Adam Friedland (80:54)

I mean, I've been trying to think. I don't know. I think he's probably, you know, the interviews are pretty funny, even if I disagree with someone. Like, the Anthony Weiner one was kind of funny.

Emma Vigeland (81:06)

It was hilarious.

Adam Friedland (81:07)

But, like, obviously I was like, I was like, yeah, but you did. Like, you should go to jail for something involving a minor. You know, like, just like, I still push back, but somehow it was still kind of funny. And I think that maybe. I don't know if I, I. What the do I know about. Can I curse on. Are we on the Terrestrial? Okay. I mean, if I had to guess anymore, his comms person, like, the show, I think. And then probably, like, he's that person still.

Emma Vigeland (81:38)

Or you're just riding this Jon Stewart, new millennial Jon Stewart thing. And like, he thought it sounded buzzy. And I. How long can you. Can you milk that, buddy?

Adam Friedland (81:49)

Well, my. The thing that would make sense in my mind, but what the. I. What do I know is that maybe, like, he doesn't get AOC'd and the Bronx, like, swung heavy in the. And maybe he feels like he wants to, like, kind of pivot that. Because I think that now he's saying, like, Zoron shouldn't lose his citizenship. Like, he's like, I'm Mark. I'm Martin Luther King, and this is my opinion, you know, I Think that, like, you know, they're freaking politicians. They're like, you know, they see internal polling and they do whatever the, you know, wherever the, you know. I don't know. I mean, I, I, I don't know. Listen, I'm. I'm just discovering this crap as well. There were two articles, and now I'm Walter Cronk. I mean, like, what the hell do I know about any. It's kind of. It's kind of ridiculous. Oh, sorry. Can I. I have to guess.

Emma Vigeland (82:37)

Do you have a landline?

Adam Friedland (82:39)

No. The door. The door is here.

Sam Cedar (82:40)

Go get the door.

Adam Friedland (82:41)

Invite them in here. I was really cooking on that. Sorry. Yeah.

Sam Cedar (82:54)

No.

Adam Friedland (82:55)

Dead.

Sam Cedar (82:55)

Oh, no, no. Let's just do his. His Just. Let's just do his.

Adam Friedland (83:13)

All right. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I have a dog. You should tell those ladies that, like, that I cry, that I also have a dog.

Emma Vigeland (83:22)

I'll pass that along.

Adam Friedland (83:25)

I have a fiance, too, so tell them that. They. No, no, no, no. I have a dog named Isis, actually, is unfortunate name.

Sam Cedar (83:35)

Ice. Isis?

Adam Friedland (83:37)

Yeah. Yeah. But I adopted her, and I think it's a pretty name. And I can't be, like, at the dog park. Like, I'm training with ISIS right now, you know, so. So we call her.

Sam Cedar (83:47)

Are you naming it Hamas or.

Adam Friedland (83:50)

I didn't name it. What am I? One of my, like, oh, badass. Actually, I named her isil. No, I mean, what do I. The thing is, the truth. The truth about the whole thing is, like, it was not very deliberate. It was kind of just something that happened. And after the fact, I kind of felt like I did a terrible job, and it was really nauseating to edit, but I'm really glad it resonated, I have to say.

Sam Cedar (84:23)

I think, I mean, I think partly coincidentally, but also I think that that interview was a pivot point, because in addition to sort of, like, all the polling that just came out at that time that I think, like, indicated the Democratic Party, in terms of the voters, was moving in a different direction. And it became, I think, a lot clearer to, like, another layer of the concentric circle of. Of people, that Israel had no interest whatsoever in ending this assault on Gaza and was starving people to death. But in terms of interview, you think. Well, I think the interview. I don't think that that. But I think it was one more element, because within the weeks since your interview, there's been multiple Democratic congresspeople, you know, sort of like backbenchy types that have said, I'm not taking APAC money, because I think there is a certain momentum where The Democrat. And it's very, very slow, far slower than it should be in a both Democratic and just world, but where there are certain, like, Democrats are starting to realize, like, my cost benefit analysis here is starting to shift. And I think, like, the, the Richie Torres moment was one where they're like, oh, geez, if Torres can't even. If Torres can't even justify himself in this context, how am I going to go on to any, like, outlet and justify this context when he's like the guy who's been, like, literally swimming in these water? I mean, he was sent to Michigan as sort of, you know, some type of representative of, I guess, I don't know, the Bronx as to why Palestinian people should not be so concerned about what's going on with this genocide. I mean, it was sort of a. Fascinatingly. But he got away with it, right? I mean, he, he, he, he got away with it. And this is where him getting away with being able to espouse this stuff without any pushback ended. And he, I think, was an avatar. He was certainly an avatar for when you look at, like, Bill Ackman looking for a, you know, someone to run against, he's. That the, the billionaire funder.

Adam Friedland (87:04)

Yeah, yeah, he was. Twitter.

Emma Vigeland (87:07)

He's always on Twitter.

Sam Cedar (87:08)

He's on Twitter all the time. But he was, he was like, trying to get Richie Torres to run for mayor.

Emma Vigeland (87:15)

Yeah.

Sam Cedar (87:16)

And he's like, I'll fund you. And I mean, this. He. Torres has been heralded as the next generation of leadership of the Democratic Party. I mean, I'm not.

Adam Friedland (87:29)

I stopped it.

Emma Vigeland (87:31)

Yes.

Sam Cedar (87:31)

He's been quiet.

Adam Friedland (87:32)

People really know who he is. I don't. I think maybe Twitter. I saw that his tweets were getting mad at his tweets. But is he that famous?

Sam Cedar (87:41)

No, no, no. But, but within, you know, it's like, I don't know. I'm like, like, you know, of comedians that your average person doesn't. But you perceive that, you know, you, you know how big they are within the context of the industry or how they're being promoted. Torres was one of those people. He was the guy who just, like, won the awards at Just for Laughs and, you know, comic. Yes. Back in the Room kind of guy. Back in the room guy.

Adam Friedland (88:08)

Let me tell you. There's this guy, Heshi Teshowitz. He's one for us. You know, the audience bombs every show, but in the back of the room, we're dying.

Sam Cedar (88:18)

Well, I think he, I think a lot of those guys said he's not. He's not as funny as he was six weeks ago.

Adam Friedland (88:27)

Torres used to be hilarious, but he.

Sam Cedar (88:29)

Used to be very, very funny.

Adam Friedland (88:33)

I mean, I think that, what, like, 6% of Democrats support, like, the. What, the what? The operation in Gaza right now? Is that right?

Emma Vigeland (88:42)

Eight, but yeah, it's eight.

Sam Cedar (88:44)

I mean, classic capo move.

Adam Friedland (88:46)

Maybe the problem is more that the Democratic Party just, like, is just a completely inept organization. I don't, like, basically, you know, like, why sending him to Michigan? Like, I don't know, like, the fact that they're now kind of disavowing, kind of taking. Taking donations from something that's supported by 8% of their constituency is like, I don't know. Like. And beyond that, like, my point about, like, his response, I mean, like, you know, like, if Bill, if he did it. I feel your pain. I, I would have been probably cooked in, in retrospect. I mean, I didn't. I wasn't viewing it as a debate at that point. I was kind of just telling him as a, like a. Like, first of all, that, yeah, a lot more people hate Jewish people now. And it's on. It's coming from the right, predominantly. Like, we saw Charlottesville happen before this. We didn't see, like, I don't, Like, I've never, I've never been like, I live in New York City. Have you, like, Sam, have you ever had a problem with a radical Islamic fundamental? Like, like, it's just like they were saying that this is during the. I mean, beyond that, the Democratic Party decided to just like, tell this guy who's basically a rapper that went to Bowden Bowden that he's Osama bin Laden during the primary. And now, like, you know, his biggest rival for mayor. Right. Like Zoron, he's just a regular, kind of like just.

Sam Cedar (90:17)

Yes.

Adam Friedland (90:18)

Upper middle class kid. Right? And then like, they're like, you know, you are at Tora Bora right now. The Marines are firing on. You know, like, they darkened his skin. And then now that he won the primary, the party hasn't even coalesced around him. Like, like, the Democratic Party is like, it doesn't look good. Like, it. No, it's kind of like, it's like, kind of like, you know, I think it's kind of pro, if I had to guess, probably gotten people to, like, kind of give up. I mean, they're like, like, they, they're. They're. They kind of. What do they represent at this point? And if it's from Adam Freeland's Richie Torres interview that they've Decided that, oh, this is bad for us. Like, this is a litmus test of the midterm. Like, that's even worse for them.

Emma Vigeland (91:09)

Well, I won't give you too much credit. I won't. I'll pull back. I will not. I will give you less credit now because they're also my pants. I've heard about this. There was a poll that came out of New Yorkers, New York Times, Sienna, this earlier this week, plus eight.

Sam Cedar (91:29)

Am I gonna have to run?

Emma Vigeland (91:30)

Well, I was just gonna run for Palestinian support. It wasn't you specifically, but you're. You're set up. The funniest outcome of this would be you primary ing Richie Torres.

Adam Friedland (91:39)

No, I'm no carpet bagger. I'm not going to.

Sam Cedar (91:42)

Would you primary. You contemplating Hakeem Jeffries.

Adam Friedland (91:47)

Chelsea. The Jerry Nadler seat.

Emma Vigeland (91:50)

Oh, Chelsea versus Right. Right. Okay, Gotcha. Reply guy.

Adam Friedland (91:57)

Chelsea.

Sam Cedar (91:58)

And are you.

Adam Friedland (92:00)

That's why I went on Michael Brooks's show when I got in trouble with Chelsea eight years ago.

Sam Cedar (92:05)

Oh, is that. And did that help? Did your conversation with Michael help your situation with Chelsea Clinton? I find that hard to believe.

Adam Friedland (92:15)

No. I saw. He showed me solidarity as another Jewish man in America. That was the kind of funny tweet.

Emma Vigeland (92:24)

Can you remind us of the tweet? I feel like it had something to.

Adam Friedland (92:27)

Do with being ugly. Yeah. I was mean.

Sam Cedar (92:31)

It was.

Adam Friedland (92:32)

It was relatedly. It was during Ilhan Omar was getting attacked by everyone.

Emma Vigeland (92:37)

Yeah.

Adam Friedland (92:38)

Because he did. It's all about the Benjamins. And I'm like, first of all, the guy's name is Benjamin Netanyahu. Like, second of all, like, second of all, like, yes. Are they claiming that, like, people don't. Our lobbying organization doesn't try to influence policy? Like, is that like, an anti Semitic thing to say?

Sam Cedar (92:57)

Well, Thomas Friedman had basically said the exact same thing that even AOC was.

Adam Friedland (93:03)

Like, I don't want to call you out. I want to call you in. Everyone's like, piling on Ilhan Omar. And I got mad, and Chelsea Clinton was, like, telling her about the. The tropes of that Ilhan was using in the. In the Notorious B.I.G. reference tweet. Like, and so then I was just like, she's not. I didn't even.

Emma Vigeland (93:21)

You said Chelsea Clinton is even Jewish. She's just ugly. Okay. So there you go.

Adam Friedland (93:27)

Okay, fine.

Sam Cedar (93:28)

But, like, we.

Adam Friedland (93:31)

We self deprecate. We say that we're. That we're ugly. Okay.

Sam Cedar (93:35)

We should also say it was not. Obviously, it was not just, like, inappropriately objectifying of Chelsea Clinton, but it was Also not nice. Vaguely anti Semitic. What do you mean, anti Semitic?

Adam Friedland (93:49)

But Mel Brooks can't dress up in a Nazi uniform. That's the only thing we're allowed to joke about. Of course we.

Sam Cedar (93:56)

Wait, your dad. When your dad is reminded of that, he's gonna be upset.

Adam Friedland (94:01)

You've forgotten your roots in the, in the, the, the comedy clubs. The basis of our humor is self deprecation.

Sam Cedar (94:09)

That's correct. Yes.

Adam Friedland (94:11)

And then my mother and my analyst and we, you know, if my analyst is Benjamin Netanyahu and I don't know, I, I'm too, I'm too worked up right now to defend this. I can't believe Sam would forget from when ck.

Sam Cedar (94:25)

Well, listen, I've had my experience.

Adam Friedland (94:28)

You're on Air America.

Sam Cedar (94:32)

Necessarily long term successful.

Adam Friedland (94:34)

Anyway, it was a mean joke. And then her. I got in trouble. Everyone.

Sam Cedar (94:39)

She responded. She responded me.

Adam Friedland (94:42)

She said, but then my avatar is Chris Bosh from the Raptors. Look at. Blow up. Click on my avatar. So then all these people were like, chelsea's not ugly. You're ugly. And it was the basketball player, Chris Bosch. So he was catching shrapnel. Yeah, the former power forward for the Heat and Raptors, Chris Bosch. But so he. So people were calling him ugly. It turned into a whole thing.

Sam Cedar (95:09)

And then. Oh. Because people didn't know who you were mad at me.

Adam Friedland (95:13)

Geraldo was like, like, you're a prick. And I was like, I love. I. You're one of my, one of my heroes. Sandra Bernhardt's like, you. You piece of like. Anyway, I apologize to Chelsea and I, I, I would never primary you in a million years.

Emma Vigeland (95:31)

And I hope you took her lesson on not engaging in anti Semitic tropes.

Sam Cedar (95:35)

So we're the only ones allowed to. Okay, listen.

Adam Friedland (95:39)

Okay.

Sam Cedar (95:39)

It's.

Adam Friedland (95:39)

It's our thing. It's our thing.

Sam Cedar (95:41)

Have you seen this? It's true.

Adam Friedland (95:43)

Have you seen To Be or Not to Be, the Lubish film? We've been doing this for years.

Sam Cedar (95:50)

It's true.

Adam Friedland (95:51)

I mean, I don't know why that was my reference. It was really douchebaggy reference. But.

Sam Cedar (95:57)

Brian knows. Brian knows what you're talking about.

Adam Friedland (95:59)

Listen, we've done amazing things in this country, guys. Those guys over there would show me one good romantic comedy they've done over there. They're just done with one. We've done an incredible. We invented a media for these people.

Emma Vigeland (96:19)

I, I thought you meant we as Americans. I forgot.

Adam Friedland (96:21)

Live.

Sam Cedar (96:22)

Can this.

Emma Vigeland (96:22)

Yes, we're live. Yes.

Adam Friedland (96:26)

I'm just, I'm goofing around.

Emma Vigeland (96:28)

Guys, well, I'm sorry that your father was offended. I hope we can.

Adam Friedland (96:33)

No, you brought us closer together.

Emma Vigeland (96:35)

That's good.

Adam Friedland (96:36)

No, my dad was watching everything and then. And then eventually he came across those. The. The Barry Vice people and he remembered that, you know, he's like that. That's my boy. He's like. And it was really. It's lovely.

Sam Cedar (96:54)

If it's only I can call. Call him a capo. It's that type of thing. Only I can call him a cop.

Adam Friedland (97:01)

Have you seen. Of course. What do you mean? We call each other that every day? We call each other.

Sam Cedar (97:05)

Yes. Nobody. Nobody else. Yes.

Adam Friedland (97:08)

That's a Jewish family. It's normal. No, but the tweet said. Did you see the tweet that the guy did? He said it is the oldest.

Sam Cedar (97:16)

Is this the one? Is this.

Adam Friedland (97:17)

Is it the Max?

Sam Cedar (97:19)

There's not. There's not just one buddy. There's a couple.

Adam Friedland (97:23)

I. I think the guy said it was the oldest, perhaps second oldest profession after I. I assume prostitution.

Sam Cedar (97:33)

Wait, being a comedian?

Adam Friedland (97:35)

No, being a capo. And I was like. Is it a bizarre way to say it?

Emma Vigeland (97:41)

Older than like farming?

Matt (97:43)

Then why is prostitution on your mind?

Adam Friedland (97:45)

I think going to find food is probably the oldest profession.

Emma Vigeland (97:48)

Probably.

Adam Friedland (97:49)

And then the second oldest is capo. Ashanda for the goyim.

Sam Cedar (97:55)

That's. That is. That's impressive. Like the. That he skipped all those professions in there. No.

Adam Friedland (98:04)

The truth is, if anything, the ultimate conclusion, inclusion of Cumtown wasn't to make me a public intellectual. It was to inspire Jewish people to be anti Semitic to me, which I think is. This is like. This is the master stroke of our entire project is that we found a way. Yeah.

Emma Vigeland (98:21)

This one from Barry Weiss is the Free Press now.

Sam Cedar (98:25)

Yeah. The role Friedland is playing is that of the capo, the Jew articulating and. Or acting out the wishes, conscious or unconscious, of the gentile majority. Now I have to say this is a tap dancing. Well, this is also a pretty serious indictment of the gentile majority in this country that you're supposedly like, this guy's. That part of it. Aside from the fact that he's calling you a capo.

Adam Friedland (98:58)

Yeah.

Sam Cedar (98:59)

Also speaks to the incredible paranoia that the gentile majority is.

Adam Friedland (99:07)

They like Israel better than us.

Sam Cedar (99:10)

No kidding. You should look into Kufi. This is really the world's oldest or second.

Emma Vigeland (99:16)

Literally.

Sam Cedar (99:17)

Literally the old.

Matt (99:19)

Because I'm thinking about prostitution for some.

Emma Vigeland (99:20)

Reason, which is interesting.

Adam Friedland (99:23)

He brings in prostitute. And then I replied, it's the only engagement I've done in after the thing Came out, but I replied. I was like, listen, sir. Oh, yeah. Can you read that, Sam, for me?

Emma Vigeland (99:35)

Hey, dude, it's hurtful to be called that word, but I'm confused. Is it the oldest job or second, or are you calling me some sort of slut? Genuinely confused. Also, why designers have to make everything the oldest or most ancient thing ever to make their point. It feels like a trope.

Adam Friedland (99:55)

Listen, the. The Emperor Hadrian expelled us in the year 175 AD and we finally. We finally made it back.

Sam Cedar (100:04)

I. I wonder if he's. If who?

Adam Friedland (100:10)

Like, what's the guy's name? This guy. It's a funny last name, too.

Sam Cedar (100:14)

Peter. I wonder if he's thinking about.

Adam Friedland (100:19)

I wonder if he's thinking about, like, I thought.

Sam Cedar (100:22)

Is he thinking about Judas? I can't quite figure out, like, where. Like, who are the ones who were the capos prior to World War II? Like, in what, like the Philistines? No. Yeah. I'm trying to think, like, what. Like, what example of.

Adam Friedland (100:39)

Oh, that. Come on. So let's be real. It's. It's ancient. It's from the.

Sam Cedar (100:44)

Try to think of it. What, like, context.

Adam Friedland (100:46)

Like the copper invented the wheel and the fire and the. It's erotic thing to say because Judas.

Sam Cedar (100:54)

Was Jewish and turned in. You know, but Jesus was just a rabbi.

Adam Friedland (100:59)

Judas was a. Was with. Judas helped Pontius Pilate. So he was a capo or no? Is that what you're asking?

Sam Cedar (101:06)

I mean, it seems like that would be the model that. I mean, because I'm trying to think in history of where else we saw, you know, kapos fulfill the wishes of the gentile majority.

Adam Friedland (101:20)

There's probably, like, a foreman on the site of the pyramids. He was probably a Jewish foreman. And he's like, guys, a couple of.

Sam Cedar (101:28)

These guys are slacking off.

Adam Friedland (101:30)

Yeah. Like, listen, we got to get back to work for the pharaoh. Listen, I don't know. It's one of the most moronic things.

Sam Cedar (101:41)

You don't deserve your bush today. I really. Somebody's still getting their full portion of a mush.

Adam Friedland (101:48)

So I've been missing that guy's last name for about two weeks now. And it's.

Sam Cedar (101:55)

What did you think it was?

Adam Friedland (101:56)

I mean, you could guess what I thought. His name.

Emma Vigeland (102:00)

No, we can't save it.

Sam Cedar (102:05)

Okay, there we go.

Adam Friedland (102:06)

I'm illiterate. I don't understand why I'm the new Martin of millennials.

Sam Cedar (102:11)

Do you realize I do not have that. You have absorbed or internalized a millennia of hate. Did you.

Emma Vigeland (102:22)

Everything is so Old and ancient.

Sam Cedar (102:25)

A millennia of hate you have internalized. But why just a millennia? I don't even understand this guy's. Why. Why a millennia? Why not two millennia? Oh, like Jewish calendar is over 5500.

Adam Friedland (102:43)

Islam is a thousand years old. Right.

Sam Cedar (102:46)

Well, you don't think we should hate? I mean like, like or he's not.

Adam Friedland (102:52)

That worried about that Roman historian that converted from Judaism. That guy might be a capo. What's his name? Someone look it up. Computer guys. Jamie, look that up. Jamie, what do we get?

Matt (103:12)

Flavius Josephus.

Adam Friedland (103:13)

Yeah, Josephus Flavius. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He used. He was Jewish and then he became. And half of it's not true. So that's how you know he's Jewish.

Sam Cedar (103:23)

And what about. What about just Paul?

Adam Friedland (103:26)

Saul?

Sam Cedar (103:27)

Well, Paul. I mean, yes, Saul to Paul.

Adam Friedland (103:31)

That's a capo.

Sam Cedar (103:32)

Yeah, but that was over. That was over a millennium ago. That was too much. That's my point. It's like I just don't understand what his references are. You've only absorbed a millennium of hate. Some people may have absorbed like 3 millennium of hate, which I. So I guess you're ahead of the game.

Adam Friedland (103:49)

Every job prior to 1936 didn't exist. Except for sex worker.

Sam Cedar (103:57)

Not for Jews.

Adam Friedland (104:00)

It was the first job that we got.

Sam Cedar (104:01)

Yeah, that's. What about money lender?

Adam Friedland (104:09)

Oh my gosh. What about freezing cold and try not to get your head cut off by. By a Cossack when he gets drunk.

Sam Cedar (104:16)

Exactly.

Adam Friedland (104:17)

That used to be my. That my, my guys jobs like, well, God, the Cossacks are coming.

Sam Cedar (104:23)

You're the one to tell everybody.

Adam Friedland (104:25)

Oh no. With these guys again.

Sam Cedar (104:29)

Conservative mind virus says, how dare you dead name. Paul the apostle. I'm sorry.

Adam Friedland (104:35)

Not that he sounds scary, that guy. Mind virus.

Sam Cedar (104:38)

Conservative mind virus.

Adam Friedland (104:40)

So this Ken Bone guy. Well, who do you think he's gonna go with? I remember Ken Bone yesterday. I couldn't stop laughing. I don't know why God rare. His big old sweater.

Sam Cedar (104:53)

Yeah.

Emma Vigeland (104:53)

Big red sweater.

Adam Friedland (104:54)

We used to live in a nice place. It's so not nice anymore.

Emma Vigeland (105:00)

Yeah, no one cares about Ken Bone anymore.

Adam Friedland (105:05)

The other day, this is. This is really lived out. I've been. I was started watching West Wing after Trump won the second time. Yeah, yeah. Because I just want to remember how like it was just nice. Right.

Sam Cedar (105:18)

Time of naivete.

Adam Friedland (105:20)

All the. All the problems were like, should gay guys go to the army? Should. Like, they're like, should kids wear school uniforms? That was like. And they're like screaming at each other. It's like, it's so quaint.

Emma Vigeland (105:30)

And everything is solved by like the liberal president just like giving the right wing groups a talking down.

Adam Friedland (105:38)

Dude, Jed Bartlett would cut this crap out, I'll tell you that. Oh, yeah, in five seconds it would be.

Sam Cedar (105:45)

Oh, it would be over. So who's next? Like, which you're going to do, like a whole array of politicians that you're going to be interviewing.

Emma Vigeland (105:53)

We didn't even get to your Sarah Jessica Parker interview, which I really enjoyed.

Adam Friedland (105:58)

Okay, the dog walker is back. I'm sorry, guys, I'm a mess today.

Sam Cedar (106:02)

Go ahead.

Adam Friedland (106:03)

Okay.

Sam Cedar (106:08)

How many times does dog walker. That's it. That's the life of the dog walk.

Matt (106:12)

It's coming and going.

Sam Cedar (106:15)

But wait a second, wait a second. Yeah, your dog walker just takes your dog on like a What? Like a 10 minute walk.

Adam Friedland (106:22)

It's called a dog walker. Yeah, that's it.

Sam Cedar (106:25)

Shouldn't it go longer?

Adam Friedland (106:27)

You want me to complain to this working person from an app?

Sam Cedar (106:30)

It's the oldest profession.

Adam Friedland (106:37)

And selling yourself for sex. Anyway, what were we talking about? Ken bone.

Sam Cedar (106:45)

No.

Emma Vigeland (106:46)

Yeah, let's get back to Ken Bone.

Sam Cedar (106:47)

I mean, you want to talk about the Sarah?

Emma Vigeland (106:49)

Not really. I just was. She seems lovely.

Adam Friedland (106:52)

Yeah. It's open. It's okay. Oh, thank you. Should I complain or. No?

Emma Vigeland (106:59)

Okay.

Adam Friedland (107:00)

Thank you.

Sam Cedar (107:00)

That was awful short.

Adam Friedland (107:03)

Oh, yeah, yeah. You could just pop, pop it down there.

Sam Cedar (107:05)

That was awful short.

Adam Friedland (107:09)

Come on. I thought you were socialists.

Sam Cedar (107:14)

I'm a sewer socialist. I want the dog walked a little bit longer than that.

Adam Friedland (107:18)

Sam, do you complain at restaurants? I've never complained once. Even if it's doo doo cheeks, the food? No. If it tastes like poop, I'm like, fine. It's great.

Sam Cedar (107:25)

No, yeah, no, I'm okay.

Adam Friedland (107:27)

How's your meal?

Emma Vigeland (107:28)

I'm like, have you ever given anything except five stars or on like an Uber rating? I just. If they're. If it's a bad ride, I just don't rank.

Adam Friedland (107:39)

If someone's rude, I tip more just to teach them a lesson. There you go. About being mean to me.

Emma Vigeland (107:47)

Don't you feel bad now?

Adam Friedland (107:49)

Yeah. Don't you feel bad that you didn't like me because I'm great? Who's next? Next week? Someone. We have a beloved Hollywood actor. And then we have some really cool. Like we have a diversity of a couple more political. Guess I. I wasn't sure if this Torres thing would just, you know, screw us, but. Yeah. No.

Sam Cedar (108:16)

Have you found people? I mean, I would imagine we have.

Adam Friedland (108:20)

Another one booked and we have another one in the Can. That. We haven't released yet. I mean, these guys. I.

Sam Cedar (108:25)

Listen, did you ever hear back from the Torres people after that? Like, we'd love to do it again or something like that, or.

Adam Friedland (108:30)

Yeah, they said they sent an edible arrangement. No, I didn't hear. We. No, I didn't hear back from them after that. But genuinely, like, it's. It's really. It's. I've really enjoyed doing the show. It's. I just want to get better at interviews, and I'm very lucky I get to do it. I mean, I don't know. I. Some. I'm, like, kind of the luckiest bastard in the world. You know, somehow out of two articles come out that say that I know how to read, and now everyone thinks that I'm freaking Noam Chomsky or something. I'm gonna. I'm gonna let everyone down in such an epic way, and I'll have to move to, like, Appalachia, get extensive plastic surgery, probably become, like, restart.

Sam Cedar (109:14)

You probably even do better. I don't know.

Adam Friedland (109:17)

Better re.

Sam Cedar (109:21)

Repackage. Rebrand more heartland.

Adam Friedland (109:25)

I don't know. I don't think anyone wants me. Wants me at all. But no, I mean, in reality, like, yeah, we have some really cool. The thing is, is, like, you know, like, I don't really know. Like, I try to not. I don't really. Like, the Internet used to be funny. Remember that? There used to be, like, funny stuff to look at, and it's just not. There's no funny stuff anymore. So it's like we have, like, social media people that post the stuff. And, like, I'm not, like, really too engaged. I mean, I look like, from time to time, like, I've been looking this week, obviously, but, like, it's so, like, when I'm interviewing someone that's, like, kind of associated with, you know, that world. The cool thing is, is, like, in the research process, I get to learn about it and then I get to kind of interact with it in kind of as an outsider a lot of the time. And. And I think that that kind of serves me well, you know? And, like, you know, like, when that. When I had that destiny on the show, I didn't even know that arguments were, like, a thing you could be famous for.

Sam Cedar (110:29)

You had no idea of debate bro culture or anything like that.

Adam Friedland (110:32)

Well, it's just like. But in reality, that's kind of what the Internet is. It's just. Everyone's having an argument all day long. So, I mean, in a simple sense, if I could do something that's nice. That's kind of makes people feel nice. And they'd laugh a little bit. I don't know. My. If my parents could watch it. Like, it's not smut. Like, the. The stuff I used to pedal in. That's. All right. So in reality, like, that's my only concern is, like, I finish one episode, then I start working on the next one. It's like, you can't stay productive if you're kind of just considering anything outside of that, so.

Sam Cedar (111:07)

Well, we're gonna put a link. We're gonna. We're. You are the luckiest capo in the world. World.

Adam Friedland (111:14)

Come on.

Sam Cedar (111:15)

That is just reading off an. I am. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you in any way.

Adam Friedland (111:19)

Sam, I was gonna say you're one of my. One of my heroes as one of the OG Capos.

Sam Cedar (111:26)

I appreciate that.

Adam Friedland (111:28)

Kind of awkward.

Sam Cedar (111:29)

Yeah.

Adam Friedland (111:30)

You're one of the first capos that's.

Sam Cedar (111:33)

We started the profession. That old.

Emma Vigeland (111:35)

Yes. Sam's carrying around millennias and millennias of.

Adam Friedland (111:41)

Does a capo have a pimp? Kind of like the other profession.

Sam Cedar (111:45)

Well, I mean, we have an agency.

Adam Friedland (111:48)

Who is yours? Mitzi Shore. That's a little back of the room action right there.

Sam Cedar (111:55)

That's nice.

Adam Friedland (111:57)

Anyway, guys, it's been a pleasure.

Sam Cedar (111:58)

We're gonna put a link to this Adam Friedland show.

Adam Friedland (112:02)

Oh, thank you.

Sam Cedar (112:03)

It's available on YouTube.

Adam Friedland (112:05)

Yeah, yeah, it's on YouTube. The Adam Freeland show. We just released merchandise shortly after my civil rights moment, which was maybe in bad taste.

Sam Cedar (112:14)

That's fantastic.

Adam Friedland (112:15)

I, like, realized when I announced it, I was like. I was like, this is. This is not like. I was, like, made the Jews look, like, human again. And then now make.

Sam Cedar (112:28)

Did you see. Did you see the Shmuley Botek post?

Emma Vigeland (112:32)

Yeah, I did.

Sam Cedar (112:33)

God.

Adam Friedland (112:36)

Shalom in the home.

Sam Cedar (112:37)

Yes.

Adam Friedland (112:38)

Where is he? He's, like. He, like, wears T shirts and stuff now. He's not, like a black cat anymore.

Sam Cedar (112:44)

He. He posted about Charlie Kirk and literally had his gofundme in the link.

Adam Friedland (112:52)

My dad said that they were fundraising the off of the Torres episode. They're not cutting me in on any of that.

Sam Cedar (113:00)

No, this is. This is amazing. I mean, this is.

Matt (113:04)

I've spoken to my friends many times for his protection.

Emma Vigeland (113:08)

Yes. Help protect Rabbi Shmuley.

Adam Friedland (113:10)

But doesn't he live in Israel?

Emma Vigeland (113:13)

It's the safest place in the world.

Sam Cedar (113:15)

He lived in New Jersey, but I have no idea.

Adam Friedland (113:17)

I don't think he was la.

Sam Cedar (113:18)

Yeah, I mean, I have no idea how's his.

Emma Vigeland (113:21)

Doesn't he have a sex toy business with his daughter?

Adam Friedland (113:24)

Come on. It's a good business. Come on. We're not allowed to have business this. What's the problem?

Sam Cedar (113:31)

What?

Adam Friedland (113:32)

Like that doesn't mean his daughter and him do it.

Emma Vigeland (113:37)

Sorry, I don't know what I was.

Adam Friedland (113:39)

Mr. McDonald has McDonald's three days, three meals a day. Come on. It's just that you own a business sometimes Rabbi Schmuly has his.

Emma Vigeland (113:49)

I'm so sorry.

Adam Friedland (113:51)

That is an age old trope.

Sam Cedar (113:56)

Anyway, I'm glad we. We went long enough for you to regain the moral high ground. Thank you.

Adam Friedland (114:04)

I'm in fact the good. The good one.

Sam Cedar (114:06)

We are going to.

Adam Friedland (114:08)

Emma, I'm gonna make. I'm gonna make things right with Max right now. I'm gonna call him.

Emma Vigeland (114:12)

I'm gonna say please, please do give him my life.

Sam Cedar (114:15)

Next time. Next time. Maybe we need to have your dad on so that we can like.

Adam Friedland (114:20)

He's the man. He's my best friend.

Sam Cedar (114:22)

Yeah, I love.

Adam Friedland (114:24)

Take care, guys. All right, bye.

Sam Cedar (114:27)

All right, folks, I guess we doing a freebie Friday. No, we don't need to do that.

Matt (114:35)

It's 202, so we do a half.

Sam Cedar (114:37)

Hour after the funhouse. Come on. The fun half song.

Matt (114:42)

It's 25 minutes.

Sam Cedar (114:44)

Matt doesn't want to edit the thing.

Matt (114:46)

No, I know. I just want to give our stuff away for free.

Sam Cedar (114:49)

All right, we'll do that. The freebie Friday.

Matt (114:52)

Become members, folks.

Sam Cedar (114:53)

Become members. Join the majorityreport.com and find out what you're missing. It's just 30 minutes of the same thing that you had for two hours. Also, just coffee.

Emma Vigeland (115:08)

Yeah, I'll be right back.

Sam Cedar (115:10)

Just coffee.

Emma Vigeland (115:11)

No break. So I must take one break.

Sam Cedar (115:13)

Yeah. There you go. Dave from Jamaica. A man can't own a sex shop with his daughter. What a world. Militant apathy. Watching the latest episode of Alien Earth and realized that is what a libertarian paradise looks like. Trillionaires running everything from private islands with their own police forces killing hundreds of thousands with petty decision tater tot. My sister is headed to the west bank this week with a group that is going to be doing protective presence work as a deterrence from settler violence. She's an incredible person, activist, Columbia SIPA graduate. And I hope she says stay for the next couple of months. If she wants to send us any dispatches from there, send us an email@mainvancereportersmail.com and we should also mention that I don't think I'm talking out of school. Infinite Jazz. I think is planning a similar trip and hopefully we'll, you know, he's already done it once. It's a good time to sign up for that sub stack. Incidentally, Infinite Jazz sub stack Junior and Philly. I hope you guys focus on Patel's Valhalla comment. I mean, I don't.

Matt (116:38)

It was, I mean, elaborate. It was a weird comment. Yeah.

Sam Cedar (116:43)

Tough guy.

Emma Vigeland (116:44)

Yeah.

Sam Cedar (116:44)

Talk as if they're like, you know, fellow Vikings.

Matt (116:49)

Is it really? I think they're not gonna, like, throw Christianity overboard for Viking ism. I don't know how much it sort of.

Sam Cedar (116:58)

Sort of?

Matt (116:59)

It's also lame, bro.

Adam Friedland (117:00)

Shit.

Matt (117:01)

I don't know.

Sam Cedar (117:01)

They're just drag kings.

Adam Friedland (117:03)

Yeah.

Sam Cedar (117:03)

They're pretending to be men.

Matt (117:04)

I don't think it. I don't think it's. Maybe. Maybe I'm wrong. If people can elaborate the significance of.

Adam Friedland (117:09)

That better, but I'd say there's more.

Sam Cedar (117:10)

Issues with Cash Patel than that.

Matt (117:12)

Yeah.

Sam Cedar (117:23)

Militant apathy. I think some of this right wing reaction comes from them actually seeing him die. Once you have to watch a person die violently, it puts you in a victim's pov. It becomes real. So for the first time, these pro gun sociopaths have to come to grips with their own mortality.

Adam Friedland (117:37)

Yep.

Matt (117:37)

They see themselves in the person that died as opposed to just, you know, who gives a fuck? Some kids.

Sam Cedar (117:45)

It was really disturbing.

Matt (117:46)

It's horrible. But again, like I keep pointing out, every time you hear hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of kids have been killed in schools in the exact same way.

Sam Cedar (118:00)

In fact, they're aware. The terror that they feel in the moments before, you know, is. I mean, I can't even imagine being a little kid in a school, knowing that there or any. I mean. I mean, in any scenario, obviously, but a child who has, you know, less emotional intelligence growth and, you know, and knowing that there is a gunman in the school starting to hunt people down and it just.

Matt (118:46)

And there's all this momentum toward getting phones out of school. Well, better figure out a way to make sure that they don't need to call their parents during a school shooting.

Sam Cedar (118:54)

Like New Jersey mailman. Can you please tell Adam my friends and I are still huge. Come, boys. We still listen to clips every day.

Emma Vigeland (119:11)

I will admit I've said this before, but I love Savvy's World. I listen all the time. I'm a big fan and I had heard good things about Compound, but I didn't really look into it because the name was so disgusting. I just was like, this can't be for me.

Sam Cedar (119:26)

But maybe A little bit of a guy's podcast.

Emma Vigeland (119:28)

A little bit.

Matt (119:29)

No offense at the women who are plenty.

Emma Vigeland (119:32)

I have a lot of guy interest though, right. Like sports and stuff. So I maybe I would like it if I went back but maybe not.

Matt (119:37)

Listen to the early episodes where they use the full like 40 second home improvement theme song as their intro music.

Sam Cedar (119:46)

Until they tried to monetize.

Matt (119:48)

Once they started making money they're like.

Sam Cedar (119:50)

We need to drop this number 13. It's wild being African American. We have almost always been hated by the leaders of them, the nation, whether we do something or nothing. And that hate is a culture yet somehow you just keep functioning and then you're described as lazy. Anyway, hope more white people keep that in mind during times like these. Several HBCUs got sent threats yesterday because of white on white violence.

Emma Vigeland (120:14)

I know we read that on air. Someone I ended up in about that.

Matt (120:17)

Well that's the big joke about the entire sort of gun movement in this country is that it's in its own words against tyranny or whatever. Rand Paul tweeting out guns for shooting at the government when it becomes tyrannical. But actually what it's about is paranoia about either leftists or brown people.

Sam Cedar (120:36)

Cole from Ohio, he was an Internet brain rotted nihilist dark soul. The Valhalla comments is most of that stuff like Nordic Runes is just white supremacy, but Cash is the type of moron who doesn't know that and thinks it's Assassin's Creed or something.

Matt (120:54)

Yeah, that's what I think.

Emma Vigeland (120:55)

He might know it. Okay.

Matt (120:59)

I think Kash Patel is doing Nordic white supremacy.

Sam Cedar (121:03)

I'm pretty sure he's an idiot.

Matt (121:05)

Yeah.

Sam Cedar (121:12)

Blaze Chadwell as a resident of St. Paul, Minnesota, always remembered the weekend of the George Floyd uprisings when our mayor made a public statement that most of the protesters who were arrested were from out of town. When media disputed this claim with evidence showing that they were mostly locals, the mayor apologized and said he was just relaying what police told him. Four days after Minnesota PD tried to cover up a murder and the mayor is still taking the police at face value. Oh yeah. Okay, let's do this clip. We got a couple of clips here that I wanted to get to this today from Axios. Virtually virtually all major grocery categories are now more expensive than they were a year ago. Some substantially so. Whatever growth the administration said it's coming from trade and industrial policy. Nothing is more vivid to households than what they put pay to feed themselves. The food at home component of the consumer price index rose 0.6% in August from July. This was the biggest month over month increase since August of 2022. The tail end of a huge year of a huge monthly increases in grocery prices. Again, remember By August of 2022, what was happening is that people were both exploiting Covid, but also demand starts going up. And as the economy comes out of a sort of like the COVID slump, as it were, and yet, you know, people had shut down production. The trade barriers, tariffs are raising input costs from fertilizer to machinery to transportation that ripple through food prices. So coffee is up almost 21% year over year. That's just strictly tariff because. And perhaps other input prices, inputs, you know, in terms of getting it to the market. But we tariff the hell out of coffee. Now. Uncooked beefsteaks are up 16.6% year over year with a 3.3 monthly. But fruits and vegetables were up 2.3% year over year. Apples rose 9.6% and bananas 6.6. The bananas are exclusively tariffs. I imagine the, the apples are a function of machinery. But here is Secretary Commerce Howard Lutnick who is here to tell you that's not inflation, that's just rising prices.

Howard Lutnick (124:10)

Good tariffs are not inflation. It is outrageous that people think tariffs, our inflation. Remember what inflation means is I'm going to go buy this tie and I know the tie is going to cost 30 bucks, but next year I think the tie is going to cost $33 and the year after it's going to cost $36. So I have in my head 10% inflation, right? If one, if this tie is made in Italy and it's going to cost $31.50 now, so what? It's not going to change next year, the year after the year, year after. And if I want to buy an American tiger, buy an American tie.

Sam Cedar (124:46)

Okay, pause it for a second. First off, I don't know off the top of my head what the tariffs are on Italy, but 10% is the minimum. So they're going to cost 33 bucks. And I guess if you are the commerce secretary, you believe like this is a one time deal. They're always going to be 33 bucks. Now it only goes up 10% and a. I don't care because I'm incredibly wealthy and I wear my tie. But I also know this is a one time charge. Now most people, they don't believe, they don't know if it's going to keep rising. I mean really we don't know because the tariffs keep going on and off. But the Idea that this is not inflation and this is the, this is like Biden, Biden administration level of pedantry.

Emma Vigeland (125:45)

Yeah. It's like basically saying, you know, a gunshot wound could, could kill you, but I just stabbed you. I mean, that's not, that's not murder or whatever. It doesn't necessarily matter to the consumer why prices are going up or what the exact reason is you are raising prices actually deliberately outside of like just market forces that were doing it.

Adam Friedland (126:13)

Or.

Emma Vigeland (126:13)

That traditionally like inflation is meant to indicate that it's just the market forces kind of doing that.

Sam Cedar (126:18)

I would also add that like if you think corporations see that there is no elasticity to their people's tie buying, well, they pay 33. Well, if they were okay with this 10% bump, let's do another 10% bump next year. There's, you know, like we saw during COVID that just the idea that something could be inflationary encouraged corporations to make everything inflationary because the only difference is that what they ended up doing was putting the money into their pockets.

Emma Vigeland (127:02)

And meat processor and meat processors, which is affecting the food prices. They were some of the worst offenders of that, of the Greedflation stuff, taking home record profits while they kept blaming naturally occurring inflation on price increases.

Howard Lutnick (127:17)

Now so what? It's not going to change next year, the year after, the year after. And if I want to buy in American, American tie could buy an American tie. That's not inflation. What everybody's going to learn is this is not inflation. You have energy prices down and he's going to keep them down as we get lower and lower of drill baby, drill. That's a big number.

Sam Cedar (127:37)

Right?

Howard Lutnick (127:37)

That's driving down the cost of all of us in our pocketbooks. Groceries are down. I'm telling you, inflation is not part of our future.

Sam Cedar (127:46)

You concerned about. He's lying. I mean, there, he's just like in the, in the first half, he's, he's just being sort of trying to play with semantics. Here's a news flash. People don't care about inflation. They care about rising prices. And so you can call it whatever you want to call it. Rising prices are rising prices. But he's lying about grocery prices.

Emma Vigeland (128:12)

And it's one thing if prices are rising and wages are rising in a similar manner, but that is not the case. It wasn't the case under Biden and it's certainly because it was Greedflation, especially in the back half of his term. And it's certainly not going to be the play the the case with tariffs because especially because these companies are really directly incentivized and need to pass off these prices on to consumers.

Sam Cedar (128:42)

It's also telling that he uses a tie as an example of something that, that you buy. That's what I was thinking because for most people, people buy ties in like this is like almost like a capital expenditure. Like you buy a tie or two ties or maybe even four ties. Assuming like if you're like a year right. It's not something that you do week in, week out. And I will also say that in terms of his example, because the tie for him is this is a casual. And he's not paying $30 for his ties. I can also assure you of that.

Emma Vigeland (129:18)

Oh, sure.

Sam Cedar (129:21)

But the existence of American made ties, in the vast amount of, of examples of where we're seeing inflation, there is no alternative option because these are all inputs on the manufacturing of stuff, even in the United States. So there is no version of what he's talking about. I mean, if they had only tariffed ties, maybe he'd be right. But they've tariffed the machinery that makes ties 20% on all Italian goods. So the tie is actually 36 bucks now.

Emma Vigeland (129:59)

I mean, it reminds me of Trump using dolls. Little Cindy's gonna get only three dolls instead of 200 or whatever he was saying for Christmas. That's not what the biggest concern is here. Yes, it's going to hurt people and they're going to hit really badly. Like all of the tariffs on China affecting toys around holiday time. But it's the day to day stuff. I mean, what are they doing about rent? What are they doing about. I mean, and food prices? People need food to eat. You can't just buy two hamburgers a year, like two ties a year to sustain yourself.

Matt (130:32)

What they're doing about rent is harassing the population of people that build housing.

Sam Cedar (130:40)

What else do we got?

Matt (130:40)

Do we got anything else?

Sam Cedar (130:41)

We should. What's that? Oh, no, this. We should do this Chuck Schumer thing because this is important. We will talk more about this going forward. But it has been lost in the news. Yesterday, Republicans triggered the nuclear option to change the rules of the Senate that is going to allow them to speed up confirmation of Trump's nominees for the executive branch. The vote was 5345. And didn't thune, like, insist they were not going to do this? I mean, I know I would expect better from that, but it's going to allow the Senate to confirm an unlimited number of nominees in one vote rather than do each one individually. The rule Applies to executive branch nominees subject to two hours of Senate debate, including sub cabinet picks and ambassadors. It will not affect judicial nominations. Republicans say they're going to allow their own senators to object to individual nominees in any given block, but the rule will strip away the power of the minority party to do the same thing. These guys don't think they're ever going to lose the Senate. And they may be right. I mean, they may be right. Thune initiated the process by bringing up a package of 48 Trump nominees who had been subject to the 60 vote threshold. I got to tell you, I am in favor of the filibuster going away, but this is important to note because Democrats, the vast majority of whom have been, you know, have made this sacrosanct. But they don't understand that more often than not in the history of this country, the filibuster has been used to inhibit progressive legislation.

Emma Vigeland (132:55)

They know that. The Democrats that support the filibuster know that. They like it.

Sam Cedar (133:00)

Well, they just lost their fig leaf.

Emma Vigeland (133:02)

But they have an excuse to not do shit. Exactly.

Sam Cedar (133:04)

I mean, you read the book, read.

Matt (133:05)

Robert Caro's books about the civil rights fight and the way people, people were talking about the Senate back then. We need to get back there now.

Sam Cedar (133:13)

What should the response of the Democratic leader should be? Is it to say, good, because we're going to address the American public. We're going to go out there with candidates who are going to meet the needs and the expectations of the American public. And when we get into office, you cannot wait to see the nominees that we have that are going to fill these seats in labor and across the board. I mean, frankly, Democrats are going to need this to rebuild the government. Here's Chuck Schumer, who's going to tell these Republicans a thing or two, recognizes the Democratic leader.

Chuck Schumer (134:00)

Mr. President, I just want everyone here and in the country to understand what our Republican colleagues just did. For the third time this year, Republicans just resorted to the so called nuclear option in the Senate, weakening the Senate even further and turning this chamber into a conveyor belt for unqualified Trump nominees. A conveyor belt for unqualified Trump nominees. Make no mistake, this move by Republicans was not so much about ending obstruction as they claim. Rather, it was another act of genuflection to the executive branch. Democrats have shown very clearly we're willing to negotiate. We did that at the end of the last work period. We were doing it today. But what Republicans have done is chip away at the Senate even more. More to give Donald Trump More power and to rubber stamp whomever he wants, whenever he wants them, no questions asked. That is not the Senate's job. We're supposed to debate and take votes on nominees.

Sam Cedar (135:07)

Oh, gosh, I'm already. Listen, let me get to the quick about this. We now. Well, okay, that. That's true, but we also are prepared to completely capitulate on the budget. But now that you've done this, we're still going to completely capitulate on the budget. So you're going to find out, misters and ladies, what happens when you do something like this, which is so horrific. So horrific that I am going to be seven minutes late to vote on that budget that you want to pass. So it's not going to happen lickety split. You're going to have to wait. Maybe you'll get hungry.

Chuck Schumer (136:03)

What kind of bull is this?

Sam Cedar (136:05)

I mean, when we capitulate on the budget, we're not going to be smiling, we're going to grumpy. And that's going to make you feel bad. Right.

Emma Vigeland (136:18)

I liked when he said, you know, this is about giving Donald Trump more power. I thought about, like, who I'd heard this kind of phrase from before.

Sam Cedar (136:25)

No, don't worry, because it's September.

Emma Vigeland (136:29)

Yes.

Sam Cedar (136:29)

And the Republican Party, by the time September comes, Trump's approval rating, you will see. They will not. They're gonna start to break apart. How do I know this?

Adam Friedland (136:44)

How?

Sam Cedar (136:45)

Okay, well, here's plan B. Plan B is we're gonna give them so much rope that they're gonna hang themselves on it. Wait till they pass their budget again. Oh, with our help. Because so much rope, it reaches the floor. Exactly. So much. Okay, all right, that's gone. That's the complicated part. We've. We're gonna also tell them, oh, you should step up on a chair and tie the rope there. And then, then you'll see.

Emma Vigeland (137:19)

Please step off now.

Sam Cedar (137:21)

If. If they don't do that, we may have to vote for their budget again. Until they learn their lesson, we're gonna kill them with kindness. That's what it is. Oh, you don't like me hugging you so tightly? Oh, well, there's more of this where that came from, so watch out. You're in big trouble.

Adam Friedland (137:47)

Maybe if you did hug them really tight, it would work.

Sam Cedar (137:51)

My plan is to hug them so tightly, they won't be able to vote. They won't be able to pull the lever. They just. I'm gonna need a little bit of help because I'm not as spry as I used to be.

Matt (138:04)

There's still a minute left of this clip. You sure you don't want to.

Sam Cedar (138:07)

Oh, yeah, no. Let's hear some more.

Chuck Schumer (138:11)

Is grossly breaking norms by sending us woefully unqualified, unscrupulous, and in some cases, deeply dishonest individuals for powerful and important positions by going nuclear. Nuclear today.

Sam Cedar (138:24)

Okay, so, you know, how are we going to make them pay for this? We're going to vote for their budget, and then you're going to see what happens when you have all these incompetent people. Okay, keep going.

Chuck Schumer (138:37)

Publicans are saying we don't want to do our jobs. They're saying, whatever Trump wants will do it. Make no mistake, because of the harmful steps Republicans took today, historic. The historically bad nominees Donald Trump has sent to the Senate all year long will get even worse. Republicans now own even more than they had before.

Sam Cedar (139:04)

Oh, my God, they own even more. See, this is the plan. They're going to be so bogged down by how much they own. And now, make no mistake, I made a massive mistake when I thought by now they wouldn't be doing this. So here's the thing. Sometimes you make a mistake by voting for a budget and waiting for them to capitulate on their part because Trump is going to be so weak and disfavored that they're going to be running from him. Him. But here is the thing. A lot of people would say, I'm not going to do the same thing I did last time, but my father told me, try, try again. So I'm going to. We're only going to vote for every budget.

Emma Vigeland (139:59)

Yeah.

Sam Cedar (140:00)

That Donald Trump brings up. And I'm telling you, by four years from now, watch out.

Matt (140:04)

The American people are going to reward us.

Sam Cedar (140:06)

Oh, yes.

Emma Vigeland (140:08)

That's the framework of the whole thing. They're gonna own it and it's gonna help us electorally. I don't care that much about the consequences of protecting people.

Matt (140:17)

I still remember Chuck Schumer talking about the impeachment of Trump and their ludicrous limiting to what they were going after him for and then saying, well, once this is all out, the American people will deliver us into power. And that's all it was ever about.

Sam Cedar (140:32)

It's just amazing how feckless.

Emma Vigeland (140:37)

How feckless this whole institution, how many.

Sam Cedar (140:41)

Times they have to launch the nuclear. I mean, the reason why they called it the nuclear option was because it was like scorched earth.

Emma Vigeland (140:50)

Well, for what the Senate basically says their role is, maybe, because all they seem to act as now is basically a Weight around the neck of democracy and they kill basically any bill that they can because it doesn't meet that 60 vote threshold. It's why we're passing over the past 10, 15 years, historically low amounts of legislation, although Trump rammed everything through that he wanted to, in part because they don't care about the norms that Chuck Schumer is. I wouldn't say screaming, but upset about there on the Senate floor.

Adam Friedland (141:28)

Oh, I.

Sam Cedar (141:29)

Excuse me. You didn't think I was screaming? Maybe you didn't see me do this.

Emma Vigeland (141:35)

I did this for emphasis three times.

Sam Cedar (141:39)

I'm. I put my fist down. Not all the way to the podium, but I, I literally moved my arms from my shoulders.

Emma Vigeland (141:50)

You're very aroused to.

Sam Cedar (141:52)

Yes, look at, look at how aroused I am.

Emma Vigeland (141:56)

You're doing the Trump YMCA dance.

Sam Cedar (141:58)

Yes, but I'm doing it in. In unison, so it's much stronger.

Matt (142:05)

But if you get rid of all this filibuster stuff, then what are you going to blame your lack of.

Sam Cedar (142:10)

Oh, wow. That raises another point, my young Jedi.

Matt (142:18)

You won't have a reason to call.

Sam Cedar (142:19)

No, no. We're going to reimpose it for the American people.

Matt (142:26)

You say that like it's a joke.

Sam Cedar (142:29)

I'm not joking. We're gonna run on reimposing the filibuster so that this can never happen again. Why not just raise the threshold back.

Matt (142:39)

To 66 or whatever?

Sam Cedar (142:40)

We could do that too. In fact, we're gonna go one better. 75.

Emma Vigeland (142:48)

The average age of my caucus.

Sam Cedar (142:50)

Exactly. And we will have it actually follow the average age of our caucus.

Emma Vigeland (142:57)

Yes.

Sam Cedar (142:58)

So as we age, so too will be the vote. Rathmo told we'll need 101 senators to.

Emma Vigeland (143:03)

Vote on to do anything in honor of Dianne Feinstein.

Sam Cedar (143:07)

Exactly.

Emma Vigeland (143:10)

The Feinstein rule.

Sam Cedar (143:12)

We will hold on to giving away power with an iron grip. My God.

Emma Vigeland (143:22)

Speaking of, Biden was one of the only Democrats, I think, in 2020 that opposed abolishing the filibuster and won the nominations.

Sam Cedar (143:30)

There you go.

Matt (143:30)

Well, I think of one we would like that was also not for getting rid of the filibuster. And Bernie Sanders needs to change his position.

Emma Vigeland (143:38)

Oh, really?

Matt (143:38)

I forgot that he's always been a sort of Senate filibuster guy.

Emma Vigeland (143:42)

Yeah, that's dumb.

Sam Cedar (143:43)

All right, five more IMs, then we're out of here. Hogtown. Rachel. Rachel Gilmore, Canadian journalist, made the most innocuous comment about the right being radicalized in this moment. Was added to that stupid Charlie Kirk murderers website has been driven off the Internet and had to go to the police because of people trying to find out where she lived. Receiving death threats and threats of sexual assault immediately proving her point.

Emma Vigeland (144:08)

Jesus.

Sam Cedar (144:10)

One guy, one time.

Emma Vigeland (144:16)

This one guy, one time.

Sam Cedar (144:17)

This dog walker bit is so millennial. Jon Stewart coded. Gene, please, please, please have Professor Jiang on the show. His YouTube channel is called Predictive History. He's been gaining some popularity recently. His geostrategy series is really interesting explanation on how we got to this point. Love you guys. Let me just. Professor, I don't know if we'll have them on, but we'll see. Destro 7 Trump doing the dick jerk dance to YMCA is apropos.

Emma Vigeland (145:03)

Yeah. What's the only band that will allow him to.

Matt (145:08)

It's his favorite band in the entire.

Emma Vigeland (145:10)

World also dude, it has a dance. It has a dance.

Sam Cedar (145:15)

Yeah. When you're that old, doing the M.

Matt (145:18)

Especially is probably pretty cool.

Emma Vigeland (145:19)

It's a little bit tough to raise his arms after all of that. That would be poetic after he was so critical of John McCain that he's incapacitated similarly.

Sam Cedar (145:31)

Okay, space Lenin. Sam, how have you found ways to cope with the knowledge that everything right wingers say and believe is complete self serving bullshit? I'm 36 and it still drives me insane. I don't even talk about it for a job.

Unknown Singer (145:48)

It's.

Sam Cedar (145:48)

It's. It's difficult. Home repair YouTube channels. Exactly. There's a. I spent a lot of time looking at how to make a cement slab or how not to have to make a cement slab. That's interesting. And also how to pre make truss like a fully trussed wall.

Emma Vigeland (146:11)

That sounds cool.

Sam Cedar (146:17)

Notice to Californians, please call your state senators today for concurrence vote on SB79 which would allow for upzoning around transit hubs here in LA. We desperately need to counter NIMBYs and two more small D Democrat Adam Heartland. And the final IM of the week, Ralph. Ezra Klein's assertion that Charlie Kirk was doing politics the right way is pretty nutty considering Kirk literally bussed insurrectionist to the Capitol on January 6th for the purpose of overthrowing the government. Can we sanitize this guy a little more?

Matt (146:59)

Those were. That was a busload of people sent to persuade.

Sam Cedar (147:02)

They were persuaders. Matt, Ryan, Emma, great job this week. Dorsey, Kyle, Chris, Gino, Maria, Julie, Great job this week. We'll see you on Monday.

Unknown Singer (147:26)

It might take a strength like I to get to where I want But I know somehow I'm gonna get there I wasn't looking when I just got caught between the truth and the light fall the find it out won't make me feel any better? Yeah, I know the clock is ticking? But the meds are gonna kick in? In my pilot light shining bright?

Adam Friedland (148:08)

I get somewhere?

Unknown Singer (148:09)

The choice was made for the option where you don't get paid? For the road that bends before it finally breaks you? I get somehow lost my drive between the one I? One and the fire? Do you know how far the teacher takes you? Yeah, I know the clock is ticking? But the man's not gonna kick in? And my pilot light shining br? While I shifted in and out of here? Waiting for my moment to happen? I'm still not how much longer I can stay in? Or how much more I got to pay to play in? I know somehow my life got great in.