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Emma Vigeland
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Matt
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Emma Vigeland
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Ryan Grim
the Majority Report with Sam, where every day's casual Friday. That means Monday is casual Monday, Tuesday, casual Tuesday, Wednesday casual hump day, Thursday casual Thirs. That's what we call it. And Friday, casual Shabbat. The Majority Report with Sam Cedar.
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Emma Vigeland
It is Friday, February 20, 2026. My name is Emma Vigeland. In for Sam Cedar. And this is the five time award winning Majority Report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, usa. On the program today, Ryan Grim of Dropsite News will be with us to break down the news of the week. And later in the show, Ren Woodson and Mabel Cabani, hosts of the News Girls podcast, will be with us to have some fun. Also on the program, breaking the Supreme Court rules that Trump's most sweeping tariffs violate the law striking down a majority of them. We'll be talking about that in just a second. Oil prices climb as the Trump administration and Trump himself publicly muses about striking Iran this weekend. How much telegraphing do you have to do? Like this is very atypical. It's odd. His administration also says it's going to release alien information now that Obama spoke about it on a podcast.
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Matt
I'm gonna.
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Emma Vigeland
We should trust them. We should trust these. That, that the, the guys that are redacting all the Epstein information are going to give you exactly what you need to hear about aliens.
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Ryan Grim
Maybe Obama should talk about Medicare for All.
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Brian
Exactly.
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Matt
Obama could just say what people need to know about too.
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Emma Vigeland
Yeah.
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Matt
Like this is all nonsense.
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Ryan Grim
Or you could shut up.
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Emma Vigeland
Yeah. Might be more helpful.
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Matt
Okay.
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Emma Vigeland
At the Board of Peace meeting, Trump announces a multibillion dollar reconstruction plan for Gaza, a thinly disguised colonial operation led by his son in law. The plan includes a construction of a 5,000 person military base in Gaza. And the slush fund is currently recruiting Palestinians to be a pro western police force in the strip. The husband of Labor Secretary Lori Chavez, D Remmer, has been banned from the department's facilities after two women say he assaulted them.
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Matt
The Sean O' Brien's pick for labor, huh?
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Emma Vigeland
DHS just reached a $1 billion blanket purchasing agreement with, you guessed it, Palantir. An investigation by Newsweek finds that ICE killed a third U.S. citizen last year, Ruben Ray Martinez, during a traffic incident in Texas. HUD proposes a rule that would ban noncitizens from public housing, which would mean tens of thousands of evictions. Congresswoman Jan Schakowski withdraws her endorsement of Donna Miller in Illinois's 2nd district because she took APAC money. That's this. That was her biggest endorsement.
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Matt
It's called leadership.
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Emma Vigeland
Yep. Trump DOJ is hard at work fighting discrimination against men. They're suing a regional Coca Cola for hosting an all female networking event.
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Matt
Me and Brian just high five.
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Emma Vigeland
Do you guys feel like your masculinity is back?
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Matt
Finally we're being Protective.
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Emma Vigeland
Exactly.
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Ryan Grim
I don't like it when you guys get together alone. It scares me.
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Matt
It makes me nervous.
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Emma Vigeland
What are you up to?
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Matt
They have to publish that.
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Emma Vigeland
And lastly, the Committee to Protect Journalists finds that at least 59 Palestinian journalists have been beaten, sexually assaulted or abused in Israeli prisons. All this and more on today's Majority Report. Welcome to the show, everybody. It is casual Friday. What a week so far. Sam will be back on Monday. Hello, Matt. Hello, Brian. Looking forward to our conversations with Ryan Grim and our friends over the news, girls. We'll be talking to them at like a 1pm but we got to start with the breaking news here that the Supreme Court has found that Trump's emergency tariffs, which is a majority of them that he imposed, violate the law. This is really the first time that this right wing Supreme Court has ruled against Trump specifically in his second term in a major case like this. And of course, it's because the economy is impacted.
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Matt
Anybody who runs a manufacturing business in this country is actually not benefited because a lot of the raw materials they needed to get from other countries. So, yeah, it's been a disaster for people who run businesses. So the Supreme Court's gonna step up.
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Emma Vigeland
Exactly. But I mean, it's still a good thing. Still good news. Chief Justice John Roberts wrote the ruling and then the three liberals, of course, joined. But the three conservatives that joined were Roberts, as I mentioned, Gorsuch, Amy, Coney, Barrett, the usual suspects, Alito, Clarence Thomas and the beer chugger were the ones that sided with Donald Trump. So in this ruling, Roberts invoked the major questions doctrine as his justification to strike down the tariffs. And Gorsuch and Barrett joined him in that justification. But the liberals, the three liberals did not do so important. And that's important because if you've been watching this program for a while, you'll be familiar with Chevron deference and the fact that the court overturned the 40 year old doctrine of Chevron deference, which essentially meant that the courts would largely defer to the expertise of government agencies. But during the Biden administration, the Supreme Court came up with a legal invention essentially that had never really appeared in legal text before, even though they're supposed to be operating on precedent and building off previous case law. This activist far right court came up with this idea of the major questions doctrine to supersede Chevron deference. So what they said was if there is a major question which is very vaguely defined, the Supreme Court can overrule the agency's determinations about how they're going to implement certain policies. It's intentionally vague and designed to give the Supreme Court even more power. They just granted themselves more power if they determine something is a major question here. It's being used for something good for like the first time though, because this was used to kill student loan forgiveness under Biden. This was used to kill the eviction moratorium under Biden. This was also used to roll back a bunch of environmental regulations by the Supreme Court. So that's why the liberal justices are not signing on to the justification being used in Roberts majority opinion. I was laughing at this earlier in the show and Brian was like what are you laughing about? As I was reading and I said I don't even really want to tell you because it's so nerdy and it is, but I'm going to and so I'm going to incorporate it into the coverage because I just found this a little bit funny. Mark Joseph Stern posted that how Gorsuch tried to conscript Elena Kagan, one of the liberal justices, into signing on to their stupid major questions doctrine and his concurrence. But Kagan put a footnote in there that showing that she's not going to
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Ren Woodson
be
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Emma Vigeland
signing onto this stupid legal theory. She writes, I'll let Justice Gorsuch relitigate on his own our old debates about other statutes unrelated to the one before us. What matters here is only the IEE PA's delegation refutes the executive's assertion of authority to levy tariffs without any help from the major questions doctrine. So she's kind of making fun of him.
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Ryan Grim
I always hate it when people try to conscript me into the major questions camp and their concurrence.
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Matt
I it's so annoying my face when people try to conscript me into the major questions doctrine.
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Brian
Sir,
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Emma Vigeland
What do you think that I'm in this industry because I'm cool. Anyway, so. But here's the money quote from the opinion on the tariffs from Roberts declaring that the ieepa, which is an acronym for the International Emergency Economic Powers act, it's a 1977 law. Go to the screenshot here. Here it is held IEEPA does not authorize the president to impose tariffs. The judgment is vacated, blah blah blah. So there you go. I mean that's unequivocal. And that law, the ieepa, is significant because it's a huge blow that Trump's ability to impose these tariffs because it was by far his most sweeping authority. He still has other options, but now he has to go through a bit of a process. You have to provide notice you have to provide justifications. It's a lot more narrow. Notably, the Canada tariffs actually are the ones that were granted under the authority that is not deemed illegal by the Supreme Court, the ones that are on steel, aluminum, lumber. So they're not going to be impacted by this ruling. But that Trump would have to go through that process over and over again and not just say, I'm imposing a tariff on Brazil because I don't like that their court system prosecuted my buddy Jair Bolsonaro, for example, for trying to do a coup, which was one of the things that he was doing.
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Ryan Grim
Or saying he didn't like the tone of the voice of a woman in Switzerland.
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Emma Vigeland
Right.
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Matt
Or making up stuff about fentanyl. Like, as with Canada, like, these are all. This is all fantasy. And I'll just say, like, in a better world, tariffs are a tool in the toolbox that should be used, like, very, like, I guess, consciously, instead of, like, you know, accusing Canada of the
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Emma Vigeland
way Biden was doing it.
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Brian
Yeah.
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Matt
And, like, it's kind of a shame now. I mean, now this. This power has to be back in Congress's hands, and Congress isn't very functional right now, but we do actually need to have economic policy geared towards, you know, reshoring certain things and that sort of thing. And Trump has completely, like, I mean, made that a stupid conversation.
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Emma Vigeland
Biden was using tariffs, but in conjunction with his infrastructure policy, because you have to have the capacity to manufacture the cheaper goods here before you make it more expensive for foreign goods and materials. That was what the infrastructure bill was designed to do, that the Trump administration is totally scrapping. You can do tariffs and escalate them, but first you have to build out the capacity to manufacture the goods here before you make it more expensive for everybody else. So there's been, like, an estimate that the federal government collected around $200 billion in tariffs at the start of last year. What this impacts is 170 billion of that 200 billion is what is overturned here by the Supreme Court. Now, the court did not say whether or not importers are going to be able to get refunds. They punted that to the lower courts. But that's going to be something that's really important here because there's one more angle to this when we're looking at these tariff refunds. I bring you an article from Wired, July 2025. Trump's Commerce Secretary loves tariffs. His former investment bank is taking bets against them. Cantor Fitzgerald, a financial services company led by the sons of U.S. commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, is creating A way for investors to bet that President Donald Trump's signature tariffs will be struck down in court. Traders at the firm's investment banking subsidiary, Cantor Fitzgerald and Company say they have the capacity to buy the rights to hundreds of millions of dollars in potential refunds from companies who have paid Trump's tariffs. According to documents viewed by Wired, Lutnick ran Cantor Fitzgerald for nearly 30 years until he was confirmed by the Senate in February, when he turned over control of the firm to his sons, Kyle and Brandon, who are both in their 20s. Since joining the Trump administration, Lutnick has emerged as one of the most vocal supporters of the president's tariff policies. Isn't that amazing? He is such a, like, snake.
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Ryan Grim
Slimiest guy alive.
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Emma Vigeland
I almost respect it. I almost respect it. Like when he was, like, totally brazenly lying about his relationship with Epstein and he does it with a smile and you almost believe him.
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Ryan Grim
Makes him happy to lie.
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Emma Vigeland
Exactly.
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Matt
It's a sickness.
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Emma Vigeland
I mean, but he's a much better liar than the president. Since joining the Trump administration, Ludnick has emerged as one of the most vocal supporters of the president's tariff policies, which Lutnick has said would raise hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue for the United States, eventually eliminating the need for Americans to make less than $150,000.
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Matt
Oh, yeah, once we expect that.
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Emma Vigeland
But the investment bank that made Lutnick a billionaire is now letting certain clients wager that Trump's tariffs will eventually be ruled unlawful at companies that have paid the import duties can apply to get their money back. So the Lutnick family is very happy right now because their firm is going to get rich off of all of this.
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Matt
Just a note for. We're live on Rumble today for all of our free speech, independent platform and join watchers on Rumble. People should know that Kantor Fitzgerald is also the owner of Rumble.
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Emma Vigeland
Yes. What's up, guys?
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Matt
Love the independent media.
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Emma Vigeland
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Brian
It's.
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Emma Vigeland
Sa. We are back and we are joined by, you know, one of our favorite guests. Let's be real. Ryan Graham, author, journalist, 25. I mean for me I'm not. You're. You're higher than top 25. For me not, not to stick up to you too much.
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Ryan Grim
But for Sam, top 50.
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Emma Vigeland
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And, and that's why we made sure to have you on when he. When he wasn't here because we know that you guys sometimes have a such a difficult relationship but. Co founder of Dropsite News, Ryan Grim. Thanks so much for coming on the show.
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Ryan Grim
A pleasure.
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Emma Vigeland
I wanted to start with this amazing story that Dropsight has that you and Murtaza Hussain have written. I mean, well, we could rant about how the mainstream press is deliberately ignoring the most important elements of the Epstein files and they're just focused on the salaciousness of. Of certain allegations if that if anything. But your story at drop site is entitled the Israeli government installed and maintained security system at Epstein apartment. Tell us about your reporting on this and what you and Murtaza have found.
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Ryan Grim
Just more of nothing to see here. It would be funny if they did start including just seeding their articles with some of this or mentioning it in their. In cable news, and then trying to explain how that fits into everything that they've told their audience up to that point. So the best way I've seen this framed as a nothing to see here, goes back to the proximate cause for the surveillance and the security system being put in the apartment, which is that Ehud Barak, former Israeli Prime Minister, was staying there for such long stretches of time that they basically considered it to be Barak's residence, you know, place he's staying. So they put in the security equipment, they drilled holes in the wall, they set up a hotline to the consulate, they did background checks on all of the maids and other housekeepers that were going in and out. And then any guests who wanted to come over, you had to clear them with the Israeli government ahead of time. And, you know, for the home of a former prime minister, that's a reasonable precaution that most states would take. This was Jeffrey Epstein's apartment. So it's like, it's kind of interesting anyway. So it suggests at a minimum, enormous amount of awareness by the Israeli government who Jeffrey Epstein is and what the relationship was with him. This would have been approved at the time by Netanyahu. Netanyahu was Prime Minister in 2016, 2017. When we have these records. Yoni Koren, who's a kind of high profile Israeli intelligence official and a kind of protege of Barak's, also stayed in this apartment, as we had reported before, I think, like three different times for like very long stretches. That's at least of what we know. So, yeah, that's just more of nothing going on. Just a little, you know, so this, you know, we all have Israeli surveillance installed at our homes. Most of us don't know it. Like, this was, this was voluntary.
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Emma Vigeland
And this is a separate apartment that he had in New York that is different than that enormous mansion that he had because I saw this is also like on 66th Street. I don't remember where his other residences, but God, it's amazing how everything is happening. Like all of these wealthy people on the Upper east side, these connections. I mean, Lutnik's right next door. And then I guess Epstein had a second apartment on 66th Street.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah, this was. And a lot of the. It was legally owned by Mark Epstein, but it was controlled by his brother, was controlled by Jeffrey Epstein. Mark appears to own, or a development company of his appeared to own like two thirds of this building or something like that. It's in a more downscale neighborhood. It's maybe a 20, 25 minute walk from the, from the mansion. I think it's over 2nd around 2nd Avenue and East 66th. So it's, it doesn't have the glam of being, you know, that that famous mansion is like 50ft from Central Park. Lutnick is not living more than 50ft away from Central park. And it's across the street from the Frick Museum, which is ironic because Frick made his money violently crushing workers rights in the 19th century. So every time Epstein would look out his window, he'd see, you know, the virtues of that crime being kind of shown off across the street. So, yeah, it's a separate apartment. And he had an apartment in Paris too, that he would use for similar circumstances where people would be like, hey, Jeffrey, I'm gonna be in town, I'll be in Paris. Can I stay at your apartment? I'm gonna be in New York. Can I stay at your apartment? So it was one of the extra things that he would offer to his friends and his potential or future business partners or other allies, depending on what you want to do. It's better to have a private apartment than to have a hotel. You know who's bugging the apartment. You never know who's bugging the hotel.
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Emma Vigeland
And what's fascinating about this too, and almost funny, is that Netanyahu has been trying to go on the messaging offensive and, and, and saying that there's no way that Jeffrey Epstein could have ties to the state of Israel. And your reporting indicates that he literally approved this, this surveillance.
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Ryan Grim
You know, ironically, Netanyahu is making a funny argument because Netanyahu has his grand ambitions regionally. He's got his relationship that he works on with the United States. And then he's got his internal domestic, coalitional, intramural battles that he engages in. And sometimes those take precedence over his regional or global concerns. And he and Ehud Barakt, they don't like each other. They are in opposite camps inside this intramural fight domestically. And so Netanyahu has said the reason that we know that Jeffrey Epstein has no links to Israel is because of his tight relationship with Ehud Barak. And he said, Ehud Barak is a. You can look it up. His quote is hilarious. He's an anti Zionist radical who has done everything to destroy and overthrow the Israeli government. Ehu Barack.
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Emma Vigeland
So didn't we start. Weren't there conversations that we. That had recordings about. Was it Barack that was talking about the. Oh, hello Kitty. That was talking. Oh my goodness. About the, like the, the possibility of a one, one Democratic state and one state being an issue. I mean that. So I guess that's anti Zionist, apparently.
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Ryan Grim
Yes. So what he had said in this conversation with Summers and Epstein, he was like, he said the problem, and this goes back to the coalition politics too. He said the problem with the early Zionist effort, which then bled into the post formation of the state of Israel, was that they had to let anybody who was Jewish from around the world come to Israel. They couldn't. They couldn't pick and choose based on what he was, what he was saying, or kind of superior races. So, you know, you had to take Somalians, Ethiopians, Mizrahi Jews from around the Middle east, which they kind of like, you know, from Iraq or wherever else, which. That's a separate story. But Mizrah Mizrahi Jews talk about the discrimination that they face constantly. I'm sure you guys have talked about that a bunch here. And so he's saying like, they had to do that for demographic reasons, otherwise there would be, you know, too, too many Arabs. But if they would take away control from the rabbinical cohort that currently was deciding, like, who is and is not able to be Jewish, then and they could take it, take it to the government, they could then tell all these Russians and Eastern Europeans who are not Jewish, here's the process that you can go through that's rather simple to convert to Judaism. And as he said in that tape, I think they'd rather be Jewish than Russian. So basically saying, look, you want to come live in a first world country, then all you have to do is like memorize this and here's how you do it and you become Jewish and then we let you in as an immigrant and then they can fight the demographic battle against the browner Jews in Israel and also against the Arabs. And Barak also believed that that would benefit his spectrum of the political coalition.
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Emma Vigeland
It's just like any kind of ethnic supremacist project. There's always, there's no bottom to the barrel of how they will try to restrict and say that you are not sufficiently pure, whether it's whiteness or Jewishness. And obviously, Epstein was a major Jewish supremacist, as the emails have shown, that he genuinely believed biologically that Jewish people were more intelligent, more superior. He wanted to work with people who were more purely Jewish. And so that is, I think, a fairly instructive anecdote about Zionism for people that want to understand it a little bit more. Lastly, on this, like, what do you make of, you know, I saw that morning Joe has been running a little bit with the angle of the fact that Epstein had worked also for Russian intelligence or has ties with Russian intelligence. I should say. It's amazing that that's the angle. I mean, it pales in comparison to the litany of Israel connections, but it's still there. He was clearly some sort of like, you know, fixer, espionage type, person for hire for a variety of different governments, but the Israeli government seems to be his primary client.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah. And I think it's an indication into how the kind of Morning Joe types understand that they can't kind of hold back the public's understanding that this guy had connections to intelligence agencies and to the intel world. So now it's not a yes or no question, it's a okay, yes, he did, but who. So now we gotta. Now we'll channel it over towards Russia. And he had a lot of context with Russians. Absolutely. A lot of the oligarchs. Russian oligarchs whose circles he swam in are actually Russian, Israeli or Israeli Russian. That part's interesting. Now, we had reported. Yeah.
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Brian
That.
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Ryan Grim
That, yes, he did create a back channel, you know, during the Syrian Civil War for negotiations with Russia.
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Emma Vigeland
Yeah.
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Ryan Grim
And you've even seen that referenced by like Politico, which. But awkwardly, like, didn't mention that he did it on behalf of Israel.
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Brian
Yeah.
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Emma Vigeland
With Ehud Barack emailing about it.
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Ryan Grim
It's like, which back. Like it's a back channel, but it's to Russia.
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Brian
But who. Who.
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Ryan Grim
Who's doing the channeling? So trying to explain all that without mentioning Israel just like, contorts people into these weird knots.
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Emma Vigeland
I mean, and. And the, the like overarching point about media. I mean, it's honestly accelerating, I would say the, like, for anybo under 45 years old or something like that, the reliance on more independent media, because, I mean, it's just a chasm in terms of the understanding of Epstein's actual power. If you're somebody that's engaging in online independent media or reading things like dropsite versus people I know, say, in my family that maybe only read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, and there's just. It's actually quite striking. I don't know if I can think of a story. I mean, although the Journal's been doing. Perhaps the Journal's not the right example, the Washington Post or whatever. I don't know if I can remember a story, a major story like this, where there is such an enormous gap in understanding and in honest reporting of just the basic facts of what this guy was when you look at mainstream coverage versus online coverage, although there is
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Ryan Grim
another one actually that comes to mind. You're not going to like this analogy, probably if you poll people now in the United States on whether Covid leaked out of the lab or was a natural origin, overwhelmingly the public now says that they believe it was a lab leak. And that comes despite mainstream press really never coming around to that kind of conclusion. Now some people I know disagree with,
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Emma Vigeland
we disagreed in the past, but I'll keep an open mind. If you just send me some stuff,
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Ryan Grim
I'll send you some good stuff. It's an interesting, interestingly similar dynamic in the sense that the mainstream press never really. There's been some articles in the Times been like, okay, actually maybe it could have been a lab leak. And here are the, here are the reasons. And you know, there's emerging reports of like, actually like pretty early in the summer it was already out there. So the idea that it could have come from this wet market in the winter, it doesn't make sense. Wet market would have been more of a super spreader. But the point being the mainstream press never really said, okay, yeah, it was a lab leak. Mainstream press, if anything, is still organized. Pretty much they've moved on, but they're organized around the consensus, around a natural leak. But the public is like, no lab leak. So whether they're right or wrong, it's like the same kind of understood.
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Emma Vigeland
Right.
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Ryan Grim
Because I think if you poll the American public, the like, yeah, he had, he had links to espionage networks and like a lot of them would say Israel. And despite the fact that the main Street. So in other words, you can now get a public consensus around an issue, around and over the media, like the mainstream, mainstream media, they don't ever have to come around.
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Emma Vigeland
Yeah, I had a normie friend text me that does not pay attention to politics at all. Do you think Epstein's still alive in Israel?
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Ryan Grim
Whoa.
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Emma Vigeland
Right? Like, I mean, it's just completely, it's completely broken through.
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Ryan Grim
That's funny.
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Brian
That's.
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Ryan Grim
That among a lot of normies, including my 12 year old twins, like they were telling me what, what the sixth graders are talking about. Like the debate among sixth graders is is he alive or not? And like the more serious people of the sixth graders are like, no, he's probably dead, right? Yeah, yeah, more conspiracy minor like, no, no, no, he's definitely alive. And here's why. None of them remotely would like question the fact that he was like, you know, if they know what like Israel is or what a spy agency is like. But they're so far beyond that.
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Emma Vigeland
Right?
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Ryan Grim
So your friend who's like, yeah, he's alive, playing Fortnite in Israel, that's a non trivial subset of people.
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Emma Vigeland
And I think what it says about the lack of faith in our institutions, from Estab Press to our government is the story of American politics right now. And it's just demonstrated in that example. I wanted to turn to asking you about that board of peace meeting yesterday. Obviously it's this very thinly disguised effort to colonize the Gaza Strip to build casinos and hotels over the bodies of dead Palestinian children. And I should have headlined this, but Lancet came out with an analysis yesterday about how dramatically the death toll is undercounted. So this is also an evidence destruction operation. They want to hide the bodies and the skulls cuz it's in the hundreds of thousands in true death toll. And so you know that you have Trump is appointing Jared Kushner to lead this. FIFA pledged tens of millions of dollars to build soccer facilities. The Guardian reported that the plan for Gaza includes this construction of a 5,000 person military base. But overall, outside of just the naked ethnic cleansing and war crimes that this entails, it's also a way to undercut the authority of the un. And the Biden administration started this. The Biden administration started this with the insane attacks on UNWRA and in the of course repeated disregard regard for the United nations resolutions basically begging Israel and the United States to rein this genocide in a little bit. When we're talking about the breakdown of whatever rules based order there was, however immensely flawed, I don't think we can tell that story without talking about how this is a way to kind of completely neuter any power that the United nations may have had.
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Ryan Grim
Yes. Yeah. And Trump has been kind of explicit about that and he's gone around saying like why do I have to end all of these wars? Isn't that the UN's job while he's out vetoing efforts to end these wars? So it's also he appointed himself chairman for life of this thing and he also gave himself the power to appoint the next chair. So it's this like almost hereditary situation where he runs this Board of Peace. He's now supposedly extracted $7 billion from a handful of countries, Uzbekistan, Morocco, UAE, etc. To go to allegedly towards Gaza reconstruction. He's saying that the US is going to put in $10 billion. It's funny to cover Washington and Congress for years and see people fight about appropriations battles and how are we going to spend Money and do horse trading, do an earmark here if you vote for this, spending for that. And he's like, actually, I'm just gonna take $10 billion and send it to myself over at the Board of Peace. It's like, oh, you can do that. You can just write a check from the treasury for $10 billion to the board of Peace. Meanwhile, it's so crazy that this is happening while Israel is still bombing Gaza. They're bombing Gaza yesterday and like killing people. It's utterly incredible. You know, as you know, Hamas did not agree to disarm as part of this ceasefire. And now Trump is saying, you have, you know what, 60 days or whatever to give up. Netanyahu says they have 60,000 AK47s, which is, feels kind of, it feels like pitiful like from, for a country that is, aside from the United States, maybe the most well armed in like world history.
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Emma Vigeland
Right.
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Ryan Grim
To be whining about 60,000, like automatic weapons, like really like that. You can't, you can't come to some type of terms of coexistence with the, with 2 million people who have 60,000 and no access to bullets. Like, they're making them up, making them themselves.
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Emma Vigeland
Like, I mean, you guys have AI systems that can map exactly where any Palestinian is at any time. I mean, remember a few months ago when they assassinated that doctor, I think he was like high up in, in surgery at one of the, and they had a drone just go down, find his exact location in the hospital. Just, just, just, just killed him. Just killed him. I mean, you know, I still sometimes wonder if the average American understands the complete disproportionate nature of this. Right, that's whining about AK47s. As you know, there's. Hamas doesn't have missiles. Gaza certainly doesn't have an air defense system like the Iron Dome.
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Brian
It is
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Emma Vigeland
shooting fish in a barrel.
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Ryan Grim
Right, right. And so that, so they're saying that they're going to have this, they're going to build five military bases that are going to be home to this International Stabilization Force, 20,000 troops from all over the place, Indonesia, Albania, et cetera, that will be coupled with 12,000 Palestinian police forces. Now Israel is working extremely hard to make sure that it is like these drug traffickers and organized criminals that they're funding and arming that take on this role rather than the actual kind of Palestinian police force that is in Gaza. So that remains to be an open controversy. Israel is clearly trying to keep things static, you know, prevent phase two and reconstruction from kicking in doing as much as they can to then, you know, shrink the population and divide it as much as they can so that these clans that they, these organized crime operations that they arm are the ones that have more control than anybody else.
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Emma Vigeland
And it's just a replication of their previous tactic prior to the, like the act of genocide post October 7, which was openly bragging about funding Hamas because they found them to, or at the very least openly allowing the Qataris to send money to Hamas. Netanyahu admitted this. There are quotes of him talking about it because they found they want to factionalize the Palestinian resistance. It's why Barghouti is still imprisoned. And they also want to be able to talk about Hamas as a, you know, a more Islamist organization versus say, like secular and a group that's less difficult to demonize. And they're doing this just in an even more slapdash way. But Hamas is going to. Is on the other side of things now.
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Ryan Grim
Right? And Israel kind of put them there because up until 2023 or so, the Netanyahu idea was Hamas is considered to be too toxic of an organization for the international community to move forward toward a Palestinian state. If Hamas is in control after two and a half years of genocide, they've kind of transformed how the public and even global leaders think about that question because it's like they were fending off an actual genocide. Like that is how they are now seen by huge portions of the world
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Emma Vigeland
and they've come to negotiations in good faith. We should also say that, I mean, they have been at least abiding by the terms of negotiations as the Israelis wipe their ass with it.
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Brian
Right.
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Ryan Grim
Doesn't. Right, right.
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Emma Vigeland
Not to be so graphic. Sorry.
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Ryan Grim
And saying ahead of time. No, but saying ahead of time that that's what they were going to do with it and then following through with it. Still, if you poll in Europe, as Israel has done, and we got their leaked polling data, Israel is still ahead of Hamas when it comes to public opinion, but not by much. That's how badly they have damaged themselves. That it's close.
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Emma Vigeland
Right. Speaking of toxic names organizations, I wanted to ask you about this news. I headlined it, but it's really significant. Congresswoman Jan Schakowski withdrew her endorsement of Cook County Commissioner Donna Miller. Donna Miller is running in Illinois's 2nd congressional district and this is a fairly crowded primary. But this was her most high profile endorsement, certainly because Schakowski, gosh, she's like a staple of Democratic politics for quite a while. And it was over Donna Miller taking AIPAC money.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah.
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Emma Vigeland
I mean this is pretty amazing.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah, Everybody there loves Jan Schakowski. That might a slight exaggeration. Your Chicago, suburban Chicago viewers can put some nuance on that, but it's quite popular and everybody wants her endorsement in that, in that race. And for her to publicly withdraw her endorsement and explicitly say she was doing it because of Miller's alliance with AIPAC is kind of a seismic moment electorally because also they and Dave, Dan and I reported on this a while ago and I saw the Washington Post picked it up a couple days ago, which is good. It's like good for the mainstream press to cover it before. Usually they wait until after the election and they'll do a splashy investigation that's like, aha, that person that won, they were actually funded by aipac.
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Brian
Right.
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Ryan Grim
Well, good, good to know. But like, could you have told me that before the election? And so now it's out, like it's public. So. Because they, they, I think it was Elect Chicago Women is the name of the super PAC that AIPAC created. They, they did, they did two Elect Chicago Women and the other one was like Make Chicago Affordable or something like that. So they're literally biting Mamdani's messaging to put on their fake pop up super PAC that is trying to conceal that it's a PAC money. They don't care Chicago is affordable and they don't care if they elect Chicago women or men or whatever.
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Brian
Like, whatever.
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Ryan Grim
But this Elect Chicago Women has spent millions and millions of dollars and trying to do it in a way that where the disclosures wouldn't come out until too late so that nobody would know that it was aipac. Because if you know it's aipac, then a lot of voters are like, okay, I know now who not to vote for. Let's look at the rest of the candidates and figure out who I am going to vote for. And it didn't work because they've done this before and they're the only, like they're the only ones that do this. Like the crypto crowd, like they'll let you know, like we're coming in with millions of dollars and you better agree with us on crypto policy or we will destroy you. And they do it with their chest out because they want people to know like who, who shot this person. And crypto is not toxic enough in primaries. Like it's not polarizing enough. Like a lot of people are crypto, whatever. Everybody uses crypto. You have to be really plugged in to kind of understand and be Motivated by that, Meta is dropping 60 million in primaries, but they're telling you who's doing it. So basically nobody else does this kind of. We're going to spend all this money and not tell you who it is. So if a dark money operation comes in and it comes the way that we were, Dan and I were able to figure it out is that all the candidates that they were, that these secret groups were getting behind had one thing in common, which was that they had like 150 like donors in common or 200 donors in common who were maxing out to all of them and then also to like Josh Gottheimer and like Steve Scalise. So it's like, who could this be possibly be? Yeah, like, and, and when you see the Republicans thrown in there too, that it really helps. It's like, oh, okay, this is like these donors are not in, they're not, they're not in this because of, because it's Democratic politics or Republican politics. They're, they're APAC donors who are just being told like here are the candidates that we're endorsing, so give them money. So then you look at that, it's like, oh, that's the same, those are the same candidates that these PACs are spending all this money behind. And then DMFI, to their credit, that's Democratic Majority for Israel and APAC offshoot, they're now out publicly spending and they're backing these same candidates. So like at least the mfi, they don't run on Israel. They don't put it in their ads. Maybe some mailers to like a pro Israel neighborhood but, or to like the targeted list but their TV ads don't mention Israel, but at least it says dmfi.
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Emma Vigeland
I mean, listen to the insanity of the conversation that we're having. I mean one, it's legal in this country to spend an unlimited amount of money as long as you classify it as an independent expenditure. Thanks to the Supreme Court and that amount of, and you don't need to disclose it, we have dark money groups spending, you know, billions probably in this country in total. Like I don't have the numbers in front of me, but since Citizens United it's been an explosion of dark money and an explosion of this kind of super PAC money. And it's not even required that you, that you have like, like pharmaceutical ads have more, have way more disclosures about side effects. You shouldn't be able to create a pop up super PAC and conceal that it's actually a pac. I mean that we don't even have that level of campaign finance law where it's required that you disclose which group and the money's dark. But the group can lie about who they are in TV ads. It's amazing to me.
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Ryan Grim
Elect Chicago women. And my guess is that it's going to get worse if it ever gets better. Because I think you're going to see as, as you get more and more heat on donors, because people are getting so sick of this, even if it's after the election, people are going to find out who gave the money and then there's going to. Then people are going to complain, right? Like this person sucks. They spent a hundred thousand dollars. They live in California. They messed up my this primary. They suck. We should boycott their company. Or like, they'll write a bad Yelp review or something. And those people are then going to complain that they shouldn't have to suffer any criticism whatsoever for participating in the democratic process. And so I think you'll see even more and more opacity added to the current dark money system. So that the thing that we were able to do now of like cross check these donors, who knows if we'll be able to do that in 10 years or less?
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Emma Vigeland
All right, you're putting the grim and Ryan Grimm here, buddy.
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Ryan Grim
It would be the court, I would imagine Supreme Court would be like, yeah, you know what this is?
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Emma Vigeland
We're violating their privacy rights by forcing them to disclose the corporate persons. Last topic here before we let you go, Ryan, because it's just still not getting enough attention. The United States is still murdering people in the Caribbean and in the Pacific and off the coast of this country with these strikes on what they claim are drug boats. And they provide no evidence to that fact. And in fact, we have evidence to the contrary because there is a lawsuit that's being brought against the Trump administration for one of their previous murders of two men who were working in Venezuela. And I believe they were from Trinidad and Tobago and they were just workers that were coming back, I think, either home from a long stint in Venezuela where they were working and they brought a lawsuit against the Trump administration. That lawsuit hasn't deterred them. They've resumed these strikes.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah. And my co host Emily made an interesting observation this week that I hadn't thought of, though I think I didn't think of it because I never took the administration's rationale for their legal rationale for their strikes remotely seriously. But if you do take it seriously for a second, it has unraveled because of the maduro kidnapping. The original legal argument on behalf of the strikes is that this, these are. This is a terrorist organization that is using drugs to make profit and then funneling its profits into this. This Maduro terrorist organization that is, that is at war with the United States and it's. The war with the United States is that it's sending, like, migrants or whatever to the US that was how they claimed that this was some kind of combat and that you can get the Pentagon involved. So the linchpin of that argument was Maduro and that he was overseeing this giant terrorist enterprise that was at war with the United States. According to Trump, he recognizes Delta Rodriguez as the legitimate ruler of Venezuela. She's doing a fantastic job.
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Emma Vigeland
That's what he keeps saying.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah, Doing everything that we want her to do. She's in constant communication with Rubio and his subordinates. And so who, who is the. Who are the drug dealers sending their financing to that would justify this as a legal measure? Like, so they have completely evaporated there.
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Emma Vigeland
And I'm their own.
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Ryan Grim
Their own idiotic, unfounded legal rationale.
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Emma Vigeland
And I mean, we could also talk about how they don't have any authority on this. Like, the 2001, 2002 AUMFs are supposed to be about, even in their broadest definition, the Middle East. I mean, this is. How is this a claim that this is in response to 9, 11. Because that's what would have to happen if you were using the authorizations for these military force. So, I mean, it's insanity. It's insanity. But I'm also now even confused as to, like, what this sadism is designed to provoke. Because the theory before we kidnapped Maduro was that I thought that they were trying to provoke Maduro into a response to justify action in Venezuela, military action. Like, what is your theory on what the motive is about this killing for
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Ryan Grim
the sake of killing at this point, I think killing takes on its own momentum. Like Hegseth and Trump are like, these are bloodthirsty people. There's no other really explanation for it.
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Emma Vigeland
Yeah, I guess.
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Ryan Grim
So they're not stopping cocaine from getting into the country. I mean, like, taking out a couple boats. Like what? Yeah, yeah, it's totally insane. It's totally wild. And yes, it hasn't even slowed them down. That they undercut their own rationale for doing it shows how they didn't even believe remotely their own rationale for it.
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Emma Vigeland
I mean, does. Were they emboldened by, you would say, the momentum of Congress failing to rein in the wartime authority? Like, I mean, this is also a way to just basically throw the middle finger up at, like, at the legislature, which they have neutered very effectively and say, you know, you want to try to say that, like under the Constitution that Congress is supposed to give the authorization for war. Well, you failed at that and we're gonna keep doing it.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah. I think at a higher level, it's like, and Trump has spoken about this kind of publicly. In his mind, he held back in Trump one, out of respect for like, institutions, norms and rules. Like, that's his. And frankly, comparing Trump 1 to Trump 2, he actually did hold back what he was capable of, like, clearly.
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Emma Vigeland
Yeah, well, he had handlers that held him back, like, like, I mean, unlike now.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah, right. And he, and he feels like his payback for that was, you know, the fake news media calling him terrible things and the, and the Democrats charging him with zillions of crimes and trying to throw him in prison. So this time around, he's just gonna do whatever he wants. And, and what he realized is that he can, like, he can bomb a boat and kill a bunch of people and go to his next meeting and wake up the next day a free man and do it again and again and again and again. He can, he can bomb Iran, he can kidnap the President of Venezuela. He can, you know, he can do tariffs. The Supreme Court will tell him he can't. He's going to put them right back on through some other convoluted legal mechanism and just outrun everybody. So, yeah, what he realized is while everybody else is saying, wait, you can do that? He's like, yeah, watch me, I'm going to do it.
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Emma Vigeland
And I think that's where to tie a bow on this Epstein. The lack of accountability, the lack of justice for this class of people. It's the story of everything since Iran Contra. It's the story of the creation of the Epstein class. It's the story of the devolution of American democracy because it has created impunity for those in power and they have taken full advantage. And Trump's the best example.
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Ryan Grim
Indeed.
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Emma Vigeland
Indeed. All right, well, Ryan Grim and Kitty, adorable cat. I got two cats. Ryan. I'm a first time cat owner for the first time in my life. I always grew up with dogs, but I'm, I see, I see, I see. What? I, I realized I loved them the other day when I saw a movie and there was a cat in it and I started crying and I'm like, okay, wow, they've, they've gotten my heart now.
- [64:29]
Ryan Grim
So we, we Have a dog. And the dog is not a fan of the cats, I'll tell you that.
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Brian
Oh, wow.
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Emma Vigeland
All right. Wow. That's some rancor in the grim household. Appreciate you coming on today, everybody. Of course, please support Dropsite News essential in this time period. And also, of course, breaking points check out breaking points as well. Thanks so much. Ryan.
- [64:54]
Ryan Grim
Threw it all. Throw all your money at it.
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Emma Vigeland
Exactly right. Thanks so much. Talk to you later.
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Ryan Grim
See ya.
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Emma Vigeland
All right, quick break, folks. And when we come back, we will be joined by our next guest, News Girls. Sam. We are back. And we are joined now by Ren Woodson and Mabel Cabani, hosts of the News Girls podcast. They've been covering a lot, including the Jeffrey Epstein saga. Hey, guys, thanks so much for coming on the show.
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Ren Woodson
Yeah, thank you for having us.
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Emma Vigeland
Yeah, I'm happy to have you. I didn't know this. I was getting a little bit of rundown from producers over here that you guys had previously worked CBS and 60 Minutes. Just reflect and maybe, Ren, you can take this first on what you're seeing now out of CBS News after the Zionist takeover.
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Ren Woodson
I mean, it's really tragic to watch because we still care so much about the network and Mabel and I send each other articles all the time. Like, we are so glad we don't work there anymore because. And we talk to our old colleagues and they all feel like they feel so shut down from the journalism they used to be able to do. Their freedom is like being kind of stripped away. So it's really sad. It's really hard to watch.
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Emma Vigeland
Mabel, what was the environment there previously and what are you hearing maybe from people that you used to work with about what it's like now? I mean, the restrictions on them, for example.
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Mabel Cabani
Yeah, Ren and I were there for like five years and the environment was super different. You would think of CBS as pretty, like in the middle, down the center when you were thinking of, like, other networks. And when we were there, it was this very old fashioned place. We'd always refer to CBS as this, like, dinosaur we were working at because everything was just very old fashioned. Even if you wanted to get something out of archives, you would have to get like a physical tape ship, like bought on a truck from New Jersey to cbs. That was just kind of the style. People were working there for like 30 years, their whole lives. And so when we were there, that was kind of the culture. So it's sad to see how an institution that's been around for so long can change within like, less than a year, because it seems like, it's completely different now.
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Brian
It.
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Emma Vigeland
I mean, they've. What's that guy? Peter Attia. Oh, wait, no, that's.
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Matt
Yeah, he's the health guy.
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Emma Vigeland
Yeah, he's the health guy. Barry Weiss has decided, despite his involvement in the Epstein saga, that just he's too essential, I guess, providing health gurus longevity advice. Yeah, longevity advice to fire. I mean, unbelievable. He was in those Epstein emails, like a lot. And including. Didn't he have an anecdote in his book about how he couldn't be with his wife and his child who was experiencing health difficulties right after being born because he was working. He was on his grind set. And then people put it together that in the emails he was with Jeffrey Epstein.
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Ren Woodson
Oh, no.
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Emma Vigeland
Yeah.
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Mabel Cabani
Apparently CBS HR wanted to fire him. That's what we're hearing. That people we know, staffers really wanted him gone. Right, Ren? But apparently Barry Weiss just like really didn't want to give into this woke mob mentality of trying to fire him and wanted to keep him.
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Ren Woodson
Yeah, that's part of her whole ethos, is being against the grain. But I guess keeping him. There's some insider reporting that that's one of the reasons that Anderson Cooper is leaving. Kind of like driven away. Obviously the whole Barry Weiss presence and what she's been doing to the company is probably the main reason, but that Achio was kind of the cherry on top.
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Emma Vigeland
Well, Anderson Cooper leaving, if. Mabel, maybe you can take this. What does that mean? I mean, he's kind of a staple of 60 minutes at this point. He works for Both CNN and 60 Minutes. But does this portend. I don't know. Other hosts may be abandoning CBS news even though 60 Minutes is an institution. If they don't have the editorial control that they. They want, I would imagine that this is going to be an exodus that's broader.
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Ren Woodson
Yeah.
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Mabel Cabani
We have seen reporting actually that Barry Weiss wants to push two other correspondents out, Sharon Alfonsi and Scott Pelley, which are. They've been there for a really long time. Scott Pelley was. If there is a leader of 60 Minutes, where there really isn't. But he's kind of the main face of it. And so, yeah, we're presuming 60 Minutes just won't be the same. Anderson leaving. There's another reason. I mean, he says it's because he wants to spend more time on cnn. He has like three projects there. He has young kids. That's what his public statement is. But like Ren mentioned, obviously Peter Attia saying the new leadership is impacting this. Apparently, they also got involved with one of his 60 Minutes pieces and kind of axed them. He was going to do an investigative piece into Trump allowing, like, white South African refugees to come to the US And Barry Weiss axed it, saying this is not ready to air. And so that's probably another big reason that he's leaving.
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Emma Vigeland
And I would guess. And Ren, I'd love your thoughts on this, that they're gonna be elevating and just increasing the workload of their most reliable mouthpiece, Tony Two Cuts. Tony Dokipal.
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Ren Woodson
Oh, my God, Tony decouple is such an embarrassment at this point, which is sad because I actually really, I used to watch when we worked there out of loyalty. I watched CBS Mornings every morning, and I actually really liked him on. On there. He does. He did a good job. But it's like ever since being having this opportunity to be promoted, he's kind of sold out to this, their new ethos, which is very much kind of a both sides. Like, that's what we've seen. They're trying to make everything a both sides issue. When Renee Goode was shot, that was. He had a viral clip where he was saying people think different things. We just have to understand each other, which is just so not what CBS has historically been. And even the reporting he did. So I don't know if he saw dollar signs. I don't know why he personally shifted so much.
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Emma Vigeland
I would imagine the dollar signs had something to do with it. I want to get your guys reaction to this. Trump yesterday was asked about Prince Andrew's former Prince Andrew, although the people that are removing Prince from it are trying to absolve the royal family. No, no, this guy. Brother of the King. Brother of the King. Okay, so he's former Prince. Sure. Andrew Trump was asked about his arrest over his. His ties to Epstein and the charges that are being brought against him for misconduct are not, we should be clear, related to, you know, say, Virginia Giuffre's accusations against Prince Andrew of him that, you know, raping her. And it's about misconduct. And so it's about similarly to the other Labor Party guy, whose name, Peter Mandelson. Peter Mandelson. It's about providing inside information to Jeffrey Epstein, which is like, you know, whatever. It's like getting Al Capone on taxes, that kind of thing. So, so Trump is asked about this and he expresses sadness. And I think you guys can probably guess who he's sad for.
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Ryan Grim
I got a question about something big overseas today. The former Prince Andrew arrested by the police there related to something with Jeffrey Epstein.
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Brian
Do you think people in this country,
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Ryan Grim
at some point, associates of Jeffrey Epstein will wind up in handcuffs?
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Mabel Cabani
Well, you know, I'm the expert in a way, because I've been totally exonerated. That's very nice. I can actually speak about it very nicely. I think it's a shame. I think it's very sad. I think it's so bad for the Royal Family. It's a very, very sad. To me, it's a very sad thing when I see that. It's a very sad thing to see it and to see what's going on with his brother, who's obviously coming to our country very soon. And he's a fantastic man, the kids. So I think it's a very sad thing. It's really interesting because nobody used to speak about Epstein when he was alive, but now they speak. But I'm the one that can talk about it because I've been totally exonerated. I did nothing. In fact, the opposite. He was against me. He was fighting me in the election, which I just found out through the last 3 million pages of documents. Yeah, please.
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Emma Vigeland
He always wants to control the narrative. And. And frankly, he's almost a savant in that. In that area. I mean, it's been. His political talent is his. Like, he's a PR savant. This isn't going to work. I've been totally exonerated without, like, there being any news story that would even justify it, like, slightly. There's been the opposite of exoneration. The more information that we get, the more guilty Donald Trump. Trump looks and him not expressing sadness for the victims there, but reflexively expressing sadness for the Royal Family is. I mean, how much more do we want to say about it? Mabel or Ren, either of you guys react to that?
- [75:13]
Mabel Cabani
I mean, he did the same thing when Bill Clinton popped up in the first drop in December. He was like, I feel so bad for Bill Clinton. Like, he doesn't deserve this. He actually, like, hopped across the aisle to rush to Bill Clinton's defense. So. So it seems like anyone that's being persecuted, in his words, for the Epstein files, he just finds an immediate ally. So this is not surprising, but it's very disappointing that he's continuing to go on this narrative. That's just working against him.
- [75:41]
Emma Vigeland
Yeah, I mean, exactly. It's working against him, but also he's just cornered on this. And I do think it's impacting him a little bit because. Because this is him quite literally showing class solidarity with the elites. And he's defending royals. And that's what the Epstein story, I think, always was a stand in for was just this anger that people have about elite impunity. And Trump is demonstrating it right there on Air Force One.
- [76:11]
Ren Woodson
Yeah. Which is really a nonpartisan issue, like we see even in our coverage. People on both sides are really fired up right now and trying to get justice for what we're reading in these files. So it's really. If he is normally so good at pr, this is not going to help him. This is going to backfire even within his base.
- [76:32]
Emma Vigeland
Right, and you guys, is this. Is it, right, that you've interviewed some survivors?
- [76:39]
Ren Woodson
Yeah, we interviewed a survivor, Trump survivor, who also met Epstein and Epstein attempted to traffic her.
- [76:45]
Emma Vigeland
Yes. Can you tell us a bit about that?
- [76:49]
Mabel Cabani
Yeah, her name is Beatrice Kewell. She was basically invited to participate in one of Trump's beauty pageants. And she actually reached out to us when in the midst of all of our reporting, because Ren and I decided when these files came out to kind of just contribute all of our time to digging through them and reporting exclusively on Epstein for the past couple of weeks. And, yeah, it was a really sad story because we have. She's from Switzerland. So this is an example of a victim from overseas that was basically brought to the US under the guise of this pageant. And she basically met Epsom, or she met Trump, and he invited her up to his room and allegedly attacked her. She says that her height actually saved her. She's like, really tall. What is she, like, five' 11, six feet.
- [77:33]
Ren Woodson
Six feet tall? Yeah.
- [77:34]
Mabel Cabani
And she said she was able to kind of get away, but this was something that really scarred her, obviously.
- [77:40]
Ryan Grim
Yeah.
- [77:40]
Ren Woodson
And then after the attempted assault, she says he immediately was like, if you tell anyone about this, your life is over. Basically was immediately threatening her into silence. And then so she ended up keeping quiet until a couple years ago, when a lot of Trump allegations were coming out before the last presidential election. She finally felt comfortable speaking. And then she also said at that same pageant, Epstein was also there on the prowl, going up to women and had approached her and was like, you need to come to Mar A Lago with us. And she was getting a really creepy vibe from him. And she said he actually was not charming, whereas Trump was very suave and charming. Epstein wasn't like, she. She didn't even know who he was, obviously, but she could tell something was wrong, like off about this guy. And she just kept saying, no, no, no, but he kept pushing. And actually she said at the end of the conversation, he looked pissed off that she was not, like, willing to go with him or even give him her number.
- [78:40]
Emma Vigeland
And that's a really important anecdote, the fact that he was not charming. Because we are hearing the excuses from Les Wexner from yesterday in his testimony to the Oversight Committee, that, gosh, I just fell under this guy's spell. I mean, what could I do? I just had to have him live in my house. I had to give him power of attorney over all of my finances. I had to. To give him millions and millions of dollars. I mean, like, he was living in Wexner's apartment, I believe, but then also, like, kind of shacking up with him in Ohio, if I'm remembering correctly. Like, and that is what the convenient excuse is for the elites that are implicated in this, is that Epstein was just so charming, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
- [79:32]
Matt
It's the trafficking.
- [79:32]
Emma Vigeland
Yeah.
- [79:34]
Ren Woodson
Yes. No, we were surprised to hear that, too. We hadn't heard anyone come out and say he wasn't charming before. And you think because he was luring in all of these people, that he would be, like, just Mr. Outgoing, Mr. Charisma.
- [79:49]
Mabel Cabani
But, no, it seems like the power that he had over these elites was potentially the information, obviously, that he had on them. We did this deep dive into kind of Bill Gates relationship with Epstein, and there were some emails going back and forth that showed that Bill Gates and Epstein were really close at a certain point. And during their falling out, Epstein was basically threatening Bill Gates, saying, I'll expose your affair, because Bill Gates had an affair at the time, and Epstein was very involved. I'll expose your affair if you cut ties with me. So it was clear that Epstein wanted to keep powerful rich people close, had information on them, and is willing to sell them out if they cut ties.
- [80:29]
Emma Vigeland
What else did you guys find in regard to these pageants? Because Trump's involvement in pageants and modeling sort of events and Epstein's closeness with him during that time period feels very much like, you know, there's a lot of evidence that this. Yeah, I may have been. Modeling agency, sort of or whatever, but it's also a vehicle for trafficking.
- [80:58]
Ren Woodson
Yeah, that's actually a topic we're still. We're actively working on an investigation about. But it does seem like that was a huge gateway for him to come across women, kind of have a constant influx of women, and that he allowed. At least this is how Beatrice put it when she was talking to us, another predator to hunt on his territory and would invite Epstein in, and she even said there were other men who were kind of doing the same thing, kind of predating basically on women at these pageants. So it seems like.
- [81:34]
Emma Vigeland
Did that involve girls as well? Not just women. I mean, when you spoke to Beatrice, did she speak about there being underage girls there?
- [81:43]
Mabel Cabani
No, she didn't speak about it at that pageant. We do know that underage girls were involved, because within this model sphere, we know that Jean, Lucy, Luke Brunel was involved. And he was obviously Epstein's best friend. He had a modeling agency, MC2 Models, and that was also part of this entire tangled web of trafficking girls, bringing them to New York, giving them apartments that Epstein owned, and being like, here, this is a model apartment, but it's basically just 10 blocks from Epstein's Upper east side townhouse. And they would just be taken back and forth to Epstein's townhouse. We found emails that were, pick the girls up from this apartment and bring them to my townhouse at 10am so we know that this was all going on.
- [82:24]
Emma Vigeland
And when you guys have been doing your deep dives into the files, how many other billionaires are implicated here besides Bill Gates, Wexner, some of the other people we've mentioned.
- [82:38]
Ren Woodson
Oh, my goodness. I am so happy you asked that question, because I spent a whole week of my life looking into this. And the total in just the most recent files was 25.
- [82:50]
Emma Vigeland
Wow.
- [82:51]
Ren Woodson
Which just in the most recent tranche. So that's the last 3 million. That's almost 1% of the world's billionaires.
- [82:58]
Emma Vigeland
I was about to look up how many billionaires are there and do a little quick math. So thank you.
- [83:03]
Ren Woodson
It's hard to mentally grab, and that's people he's actively communicating with. Like, I don't understand how someone has this much social stamina, because that's just a drop in the bucket for who Epstein socialized with. But, yeah, it was 25 other billionaires. And I want to say, the allegations, there's quite a spectrum of things that they're accused of. It's like, from Mark Zuckerberg just sitting next to Epstein at a business dinner, all the way to Leon Black, who is accused of sexually assaulting countless women. So we don't want to treat all of the billionaires like the same level of guilty or like their accusations are the same level of bad, but some of them are.
- [83:45]
Emma Vigeland
But, I mean, fraternizing with him in and of itself is obviously suspicious, but, like, okay, so you got Leon Black on one side of the spectrum. Like, what would you say Are the billionaires that are not getting enough attention for more glaring evidence of misconduct and perhaps criminality.
- [84:05]
Ren Woodson
He is definitely number one.
- [84:06]
Emma Vigeland
Yeah.
- [84:07]
Ren Woodson
And I'm glad to see. I know he owns Shutterstock. Mabel just did some reporting on this yesterday that people are boycotting Shutterstock and its subsidiaries because of Leon Black.
- [84:18]
Mabel Cabani
Yeah. We found out that school districts are canceling their class picture days because shutter. So Leon Black was the CEO of, like, a global fund manager that owned Shutterfly, that owns LifeTouch, which is the company that take school pictures. And so these school districts in Texas, one in Arizona, a couple in Michigan, canceled their school picture days because parents were concerned that LifeTouch would basically get access to their students pictures. And Leon Black was involved. And obviously he's implicated in all of this. So the ripple effect is, like, insane that it's reached this point, but it's valid because we're not getting answers. So everyone's speculations are kind of at the highest level of what could possibly be happening.
- [84:59]
Ren Woodson
Yeah. So he's number one. I would say the Dubins are number two. I don't know if you're familiar with them. Glenn and Ava Dubin were really close friends of Epstein's. And one of the emails that has honestly haunted me the most was one that Ava Dubin sent Epstein after he was already a convicted sex offender. He emailed Epstein that her teenage daughter was having five friends over next week and that he should come by.
- [85:24]
Emma Vigeland
That was him. Wow. Okay. Yeah, wow. So Dubin is a billionaire and hedge fund manager who has donated to Democrats. So just, you know, when we're talking about some of the bipartisan nature of this and why this was not revealed and why justice was not pursued. There you go.
- [85:45]
Ren Woodson
And there's another. And, Mabel, you can get into this way more than I can. Ava Dubin is a doctor, very high up, very powerful at Mount Sinai. And Epstein had some, like, privileges at these hospitals because of her. Right, Mabel? Yeah. So she was.
- [86:03]
Mabel Cabani
Her and her husband started, like, the Dubin Breast center at Mount Sinai. And because they're these billionaire donors, Epstein had special access to Mount Sinai doctors who would treat the girls that would come stay with him. They helped him get ambulances for his island and his ranch in New Mexico. And just all of this special access. He had a VIP line to the hospital, and just all of these, again, privileges because of his contacts to these billionaires.
- [86:28]
Emma Vigeland
I mean, it's just this is where we. When we talk about why all of these freak billionaires prefer philanthropy. It's. I was naive about it, I guess in the sense, like, I just thought, oh, this is. It's vanity and it's in their control, and it's much less than they would be taxed. But it's not just that. It's special privileges. Like the girls that were trafficking and raping get medical attention for the wing that we've donated, for example.
- [86:57]
Mabel Cabani
No, exactly. Like seeing the people and the institutions, like hospitals, you know, universities that were all a part of this. And kind of giving him this, like, okay, you're a convicted sex trafficker, but we'll just be close with you anyway, is something that was really, really shocking to us because there's so many people involved.
- [87:15]
Emma Vigeland
Right.
- [87:16]
Ren Woodson
Yeah. He visited the Harvard campus about 40 times a year. He had an office there because he was really close to the guy who oversaw the evolutionary studies program. And Epstein had a personal interest in a certain type of eugenics called transhumanism. So it was like a side project passion for him.
- [87:36]
Emma Vigeland
Can you elaborate on that?
- [87:39]
Ren Woodson
Sure. What transhumanism is?
- [87:40]
Emma Vigeland
Yeah, just for. Because, I mean, we kind of touched on in our previous interview about his obsession with, you know, he was a Jewish supremacist.
- [87:48]
Ren Woodson
Yeah. So transhumanism is using computer science and AI to edit DNA, basically edit parts of the human body to make humans better, superior. And he did. I guess, I don't know how into the eugenics you went in your last segment, but he thought he had. Yeah. Superior seed. And he wanted to impregnate up to 20 women at a time at his New Mexico branch.
- [88:14]
Emma Vigeland
I mean, this is Elon's belief system, by the way. Like, I mean, this is eugenics is a widely held belief by the billionaire class. The Epstein class.
- [88:24]
Mabel Cabani
Yeah.
- [88:25]
Ren Woodson
And to tie back to the institutions we learned from the latest files, it's up to now 30 top scientists that Epstein, like, in addition to the almost 30 billionaires, he was also talking to 30 top scientists. And they've said, off the record, the reason they even entertained him, because he, as they said, wasn't an intellectual imposter. He did not have a lot to say, and his ideas were pretty ludicrous. But he could give them millions of dollars. And he did. And that's how he got this office at Harvard. And they were just so blinded by the money that they are just were willing to go along with it.
- [88:59]
Mabel Cabani
And we're seeing reporting now that he was really close to the Nobel Peace Prize committee. So it just like it's everyone. Like, that's the highest level of honor you can get in the World. And he was using his contacts there as leverage to. We saw an email with Bill Gates to someone from Bill Gates staff. Epstein was like, I can get him a Nobel Peace Prize for his work on polio because I'm close to the Norwegians. So just seeing how he leverages these contacts is. Is insane. That's how he kept this very tight bubble of powerful people.
- [89:33]
Emma Vigeland
Back to a little bit of your guys history with cbs, what was your interaction with this story when you were at CBS?
- [89:44]
Mabel Cabani
Yeah, my first story at 60 Minutes was actually on Epstein, and it was before he even died. So it was before people really knew about him. We were investigating his crimes in Florida specifically. And so we were focusing a lot on victims testimony and depositions. And it was kind of crazy to see this guy that nobody talked about being kind of given a handoff from the Department of Justice and from, you know, the Florida Justice Department. So that was what that piece was about when I was there. But Epstein died in the middle of the work that we were doing and everyone was obviously talking about, you know, did he kill himself? Was this a murder? So we at 60 Minutes got special autopsy photos that nobody had yet. So we had just like hundreds of naked pictures of Epstein. And we were like, we need to kind of address this conspiracy that the country is debating right now. And so we switched the piece at the last minute and it kind of became about Epstein's death.
- [90:39]
Emma Vigeland
You guys saw photos of Jeffrey Epstein naked?
- [90:42]
Ren Woodson
Mabel. Mabel saw it all. She saw it all, saw it all.
- [90:46]
Emma Vigeland
So is the corkscrew thing real?
- [90:50]
Ren Woodson
I asked the same question.
- [90:53]
Mabel Cabani
It's hard to tell because he was dead, but it seemed pretty normal.
- [90:57]
Emma Vigeland
So I.
- [90:59]
Mabel Cabani
Sorry.
- [90:59]
Emma Vigeland
Don't need to know more. Don't need to know more. Just, just. I mean, that's like. I mean, the fact that Mabel, you get to say that, that's a pretty, pretty crazy story that you have under your belt. It's unfortunate. Yeah, unfortunate. But I mean, that kind of puts to lie the more crazy conspiracy theories that he's still alive in Israel, for example.
- [91:21]
Matt
Do you guys have a take on what happened on the day that he died?
- [91:24]
Emma Vigeland
Yes.
- [91:24]
Matt
Now that like, given, I don't know, any recent revelations.
- [91:27]
Ren Woodson
Well, I do have the pin Mabel gave me that says Epstein did not kill himself. And I thought about wearing it today, but I decided to be more professional.
- [91:37]
Emma Vigeland
Well, I mean, you're on the wrong podcast for being professional. But. But what's. Yeah, I would love to know your guys's just take. Given the fact that you've done such a Deep dive on his death.
- [91:50]
Mabel Cabani
Well, because the piece was basically evaluating from these autopsy photos whether he had killed himself or not. We had experts come on and basically analyze the way that he died and came to the conclusion that he did kill himself. You know, the neck, the specific neck break that he had indicated that he was using this rope to try to kill himself. There was no, There were no bruising or dirt under his nails or on his skin that would indicate any kind of struggle. So I'm still of the belief that that is what happened. But, of course, the circumstances under his death are suspicious. The security guard, the missing tape, the fact that we haven't really been able to talk to the security guard, why were you there? Like, what was happening in that environment is still suspicious. So we also know that he was under suicide watch at the time. Like, he had tried to kill himself before, and so he was put under specific watch, like extra security to make sure he didn't do that. So how was he allowed to do that? I think that's really suspicious.
- [92:49]
Emma Vigeland
I think you can also see, foresee a scenario where it's like, you have five minutes. Do you do this, or we do it for you? And that figure that was seen walking up the stairwell with extra bedding, according to, I think it was like the FBI report on it that was cut out of the footage that the Trump administration released, like, would indicate that perhaps it was somebody saying, like, you know, what's up now? Like, you do it or I do it for you.
- [93:17]
Ren Woodson
Right. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what I believe.
- [93:21]
Emma Vigeland
Yeah.
- [93:22]
Ren Woodson
That they, like, just gave him the opportunity and he did it. Yeah.
- [93:26]
Mabel Cabani
It's not that easy to kill yourself in prison, especially.
- [93:29]
Emma Vigeland
No, no. And I just, in reading all of this and getting a dive into his psychology, it's just, it's maybe, I mean, you, you know more than me, Maple, given what you've seen, but it just. I, he, he. This was somebody who had, like, immense confidence in, in his impunity and his ability to get out of stuff. And so I wonder, like, how he could have felt cornered, because it doesn't seem like this sociopathic narcissist even had the ability to feel like he was a cornered man.
- [93:58]
Ren Woodson
Completely agree. He was so arrogant, he thought the rules did not apply to him. And I think the way that he got out of his first arrest and conviction so easily, he barely served any jail time. Why would he think this would be any different than that?
- [94:14]
Emma Vigeland
That's my, that's, you know, those are the questions that remain. But really, Appreciate you guys coming on today. Thank you so much. Where can people listen to your podcast and follow your work specifically even, you know, on Epstein and all these deep dives you guys are doing.
- [94:30]
Mabel Cabani
Yeah, we do. We come out with daily reports on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube so you can follow us. Newsgirls reports so we come out with daily bite sized kind of information and then longer form interviews and kind of analysis on CBS and Epstein on our YouTube so you can follow us there.
- [94:47]
Brian
Awesome.
- [94:48]
Emma Vigeland
We'll put a link to that down below wherever people are listening to or watching this. Thanks so much for coming on. Mabel and Wren, appreciate your time.
- [94:56]
Ren Woodson
Thank you so much.
- [94:57]
Emma Vigeland
Of course. All right guys, with that we're going to wrap up the free part of this program. Head into the fun half in just a second. As a reminder, this show relies on your support. If you could go to jointhemjorityreport.com you can become a member. You can im the show keeps us resilient in the case of deplatforming and things like that. So jointhemajorityreport.com also want to say we'll put a link to this down below. I don't know if we have it there. Next week I'm doing a I'm going to be a part of this David Griscom's book launch, which I'm really excited about. David Griscom has a book that has come is coming out, the Myth of Red Texas. I'm going to be hosting and moderating the panel on that and I think it's sold out but that there's still like a standing room option. I'm forgetting exactly what it is but check the link if you want to go to that in New York City. It's next Wednesday so wanted to make sure I plug that and then still
- [96:04]
Matt
reserve a spot on Eventbrite but I think it might be sold out.
- [96:07]
Emma Vigeland
Yeah. So there's still just. Just wanted to plug that in the in case people haven't heard about it. I'm really pumped and honored to have been asked by David. And then also of course if you're in LA and you want to come to the Bituation room live, it is in like a month and a few days now, the 22nd of March. I'm going to be at Dynasty typewriter in LA when we're going to have special guests, myself and Francesca Fiorentini. It should be a really awesome show. So link down below for that Dynasty typewriter March 22nd. Matt, what's happening on left Reckoning with Jacobin.
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Matt
Yeah. Speaking of David Griscom, he had Cornel west on earlier, and that aired this morning on the Jacobin Meg YouTube channel. Go subscribe to Jacobin. It was very funny because it was just a chance to get Cornel west on the Jacobin show. But Cornell heard about David's book, and Cornell's from Oklahoma himself, so has a very keen interest in Texas politics and kept veering the conversation back to David's book in a helpful way for promotion. So shout out cornow us for that. Go check out that interview over at the Jacob and Meg YouTube channel.
- [97:16]
Emma Vigeland
All right, we are gonna head into the fun half. See you there.
- [97:21]
Ryan Grim
Okay, Emma, please.
- [97:22]
Emma Vigeland
Well, I just. I feel that my voice is sorely lacking on the majority report. Wait, Whoa.
- [97:28]
Ryan Grim
Look, Sam is unpopular.
- [97:30]
Brian
I do deserve vacation at Disney World. So, ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to welcome Emma to the show.
- [97:35]
Emma Vigeland
It is Thursday.
- [97:37]
Matt
I think you need to improve it for Sam.
- [97:39]
Emma Vigeland
Yes, please.
- [97:40]
Brian
No, no, no. I'm. I'm gonna pause you right there.
- [97:42]
Emma Vigeland
Wait, what?
- [97:43]
Brian
You can't encourage Emma to live like this. And I'll tell you why. She was offered a tour. Sushi and poker with the boys. Tour, sushi and poker with the boys who was offered a tour. Yeah. Sushi and poker with the boys. What? Twerk, sushi and poker had Tim's upset. Twerk, sushi and poker with turquoise was offered with twerk, sushi and that's what we call biz. Sushi and poker with turtles.
- [98:11]
Ren Woodson
Right.
- [98:12]
Brian
Twerk sushi and we're gonna get demonetized. I just think that what you did to tip pool was mean.
- [98:19]
Emma Vigeland
Free speech.
- [98:20]
Brian
That's not what we're about here. Look at how sad he's become now. You shouldn't even talk about it. I think you're responsible.
- [98:27]
Emma Vigeland
I probably am in a certain way. But let's get to the meltdown here.
- [98:32]
Brian
Sushi and poker with the boys. Oh, my God. Wow. Sushi. I'm sorry. I'm losing my mind. Someone's offered a tour. Sushi and poker with boys.
- [98:41]
Ryan Grim
Logic.
- [98:42]
Brian
Sushi and poker. I think I'm like a little kid. I think I'm like a little kid. Think I'm like a kid. I think I'm like a little kid. I think I'm like a little kid. Add this debate 7,000 time. So I'm not trying to be a dick right now, but, like, I absolutely think the US should be providing me with a wife and kids.
- [99:06]
Emma Vigeland
That's not what we're talking about here.
- [99:11]
Ryan Grim
It's not a fun Job tour.
- [99:12]
Brian
That's a real thing. That's got a real thing. Real thing. Willie Walker. That's a real thing. That's real thing.
- [99:18]
Emma Vigeland
Offered.
- [99:19]
Brian
That's a real thing. That's real thing. That's a real thing. That's offered. Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Rogan has done it again. Offered work. That's a real thing. I think he might be blowing it out of proportion. Real thing. That's that. Poker with the boy. That's a real thing. That's poker. Let's go, Joey. Twerk, sushi and poker. Boy. Take it easy though. Twerk, sushi and poker. Things have really gotten out of hand. Sushi and poker with the boys. Sushi. You don't have a clue as to what's going on live. YouTube.
- [99:54]
Emma Vigeland
Sam has the weight of the world on his shoulders. Sam doesn't want to do this show anymore.
- [100:00]
Brian
Anymore.
- [100:00]
Emma Vigeland
It was so much easier when the majority report was just you.
- [100:05]
Brian
Let's change the subject. Rangers and Knicks are doing great. Shut it up.
- [100:09]
Emma Vigeland
You don't want people saying reckless things on your program.
- [100:12]
Ryan Grim
That's one of the most difficult parts about this show.
- [100:14]
Emma Vigeland
This is the pro Killing podcast.
- [100:16]
Brian
I'm thinking maybe it's time we bury the hatchet.
- [100:19]
Emma Vigeland
Left his best Violet Twerk.
- [100:21]
Brian
Don't be foolish and don't tweet at me. And don't.
- [100:24]
Ryan Grim
The way Emma has cucked all of these people.
- [100:27]
Brian
Love it.
- [100:28]
Emma Vigeland
That's where my heart is. So I wrote my honors thesis about it.
- [100:33]
Brian
She wrote an honest thesis. Is.
- [100:36]
Ryan Grim
I guess I should hand the main
- [100:37]
Brian
mic to you now. You are to the right of the UN policy.
- [100:40]
Emma Vigeland
We already fund Israel. Dude. Are you against us?
- [100:43]
Brian
That's a tougher question. I haven't answered to.
- [100:49]
Ryan Grim
Incredible theme song.
- [100:51]
Ren Woodson
Hi bumbler.
- [100:52]
Ryan Grim
Emma Viand. Absolutely one of my favorite people.
- [100:55]
Emma Vigeland
Actually.
- [100:55]
Ryan Grim
Not just in the game like period.