3590 - ICE Thugs Rampage, Authoritarianism Undeniable w/ Jeet Heer & RM Brown

Summary

The Majority Report with Sam Seder — Episode 3590 Summary

Date: September 26, 2025
Title: ICE Thugs Rampage, Authoritarianism Undeniable
Guests: Jeet Heer (The Nation, Time of Monsters), RM Brown (The RM Brown Show)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deeply into accelerating U.S. authoritarianism under Trump, with a focus on the alarming escalation of ICE enforcement, the governmental use of legal apparatuses to persecute political enemies, erosion of democratic institutions, the situation in Gaza, shifting public opinion, the faltering opposition from the Democratic Party, and the normalization of spectacle and corporate criminality. The episode is punctuated by detailed topical discussions, live videos, irreverent humor, pointed media criticism, and sharp, sometimes darkly comic, analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Escalation of Authoritarianism and ICE Brutality

• ICE Raids & Abuse: The hosts and guests describe unsettling, militarized ICE raids taking place in New York and elsewhere ([78:55], [82:05]), emphasizing their chilling effect on entire communities, mishandling of firearms, targeting of civilians, and explicit violence against families.

  • RM Brown: “It’s terrifying. These guys seem like they don’t know what they’re doing. They’re walking around with rifles... families and kids walking around.” ([78:55])

• Class Action on ICE: The episode references lawsuits in DC regarding warrantless ICE arrests, often of legal residents ([84:36]).

  • Brian: “They’re rounding up people who are American citizens too. Not that that should matter...” ([84:36])

• Dehumanization & Historical Parallels: Host Sam Seder draws direct lines between current ICE conduct and fascist police tactics of the past, likening the situation to Nazi ratlines and gestapo practices. ([92:05])

2. Trump’s Authoritarian Project: DOJ, Military, and Political Enemies

• Weaponization of State Power: The show details how Trump is using the DOJ as a cudgel against political opposition, foreshadowing further militarization and a troubling precedent in targeting domestic dissent ([28:28], [29:22]).
  • Jeet Heer: “Turning over, transforming the instruments of state power into their own hands. This is Cash Patel’s FBI now. They’re putting out this narrative that there’s this vast left-wing network...” ([33:45])
• Generals’ Loyalty Test: The discussion highlights Trump’s plan to convene all U.S. generals/admirals, evoking Hitler’s purges of military leadership and warning about its signals of consolidating power ([4:16], [33:41]).

3. International: Gaza, Israel/Palestine, & Flotilla

• UN Walkout on Netanyahu: The hosts react to the mass walkout by UN delegates during Netanyahu’s speech, noting the significance for international legitimacy as global perceptions shift ([11:14]).
• EU Humanitarian Flotilla: Discussion of Spanish, Italian, and possibly Greek naval protection for the humanitarian fleet to Gaza, breaking the Israeli naval blockade and escalating international intervention ([12:41], [15:12]).
  • Greta Thunberg on the flotilla: “What we are doing is trying to show that there is still some humanity left... this mission shouldn’t have to exist.” ([13:26])

4. Dramatic Shifts in Public Opinion and U.S. Politics

• Polling: New data shows major drop in American support for Israel’s Gaza campaign; with nearly half of U.S. voters now recognizing Israeli actions as genocide and support for a Palestinian state growing ([9:19]).

  • Sam Seder: “Half of US registered voters say Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza – not just Democrats.” ([9:19])

• Trump’s Double Talk on Israel: Trump’s shifting statements on West Bank annexation—tied to Adelson’s donations and Middle Eastern business interests—are covered with skepticism and contextual nuance ([16:29], [17:26]).

  • Trump (clip): “I will not allow Israel to annex the West Bank. It’s not going to happen.” ([17:26])

• Government Shutdown Politics: The near-shutdown of the federal government becomes a microcosm for broader opposition dysfunction and the Democrats’ tentative shift to more antagonistic rhetoric, largely in reaction to grassroots anger ([41:09]).

5. Crippled Democratic Opposition & Party Dysfunction

• Elite Surrender and Timidity: The show criticizes the Democratic establishment, especially Schumer and Jeffries, for responding too little, too late to the rise of authoritarianism, and for relying on anti-Trump sentiment rather than presenting a real alternative ([47:26], [53:05]).

  • Jeet Heer: “Their reluctance to say Trump is creating a constitutional crisis is very disturbing.” ([47:26])
  • Sam Seder: "You cannot point out what is being done now, the severity of what is being done now, if you do not offer an ambitious plan to fix it." ([54:46])

• Internal Party critiques: The discussion of Kamala Harris’s campaign memoir highlights flaws in the party’s hierarchical, loyalty-centric, and anti-democratic culture ([59:02]).

  • Jeet Heer: “This is a hierarchical party, a party that is averse to democracy within its own ranks and which demands one-way loyalty.” ([59:27])
  • Emma Vigeland: “She was picked in many ways because she was going to be a good soldier. She was not prepared to take on a leadership role.” ([61:53])

6. ICE Masking, Media, & Authoritarian Iconography

• Cowardice & Accountability: The episode ridicules right-wing defenses of ICE agents wearing masks by likening them to supervillains, not superheroes ([99:00]-[107:53]).
  • Dave Rubin (mocked): “They wear masks to protect their families, like Spider-Man!”
  • Sam Seder: “The biggest problem is not the Joker or Penguin sending out these masked thugs—it's our government.” ([101:15])

7. Corporate Criminality & Cultural Stratification

• Ticketmaster/Live Nation Monopoly: CEOs’ boasts about "undervalued" concert prices are dissected as evidence of monopoly price-gouging, with Ticketmaster controlling both ticket sales and resale, leading to “concerts as luxury goods for the top 20%” ([130:44]-[133:32]).
  • Brian: “Artists could make these decisions, but... streaming has destroyed the model so artists are not... challenging the Ticketmaster monopoly... it rips off fans and makes it an elite experience.” ([135:22])

8. Right-Wing Paranoia, Conspiracy, and Media Absurdity

• Megyn Kelly & the ‘Etsy Witch’ Panic: The panel lampoons Kelly’s segments on “Etsy witches” casting spells on conservatives, tying it to America's tradition of moral panics and the political utility of manufactured victimhood ([141:27]).
  • Candace Owens (mocked): “Erica and Charlie Kirk heard about these curses. News genuinely rattled Erica.” ([145:09])

9. Media Criticism, Notable Clips, and Humor

• RM Brown supplies AI-generated absurdist TikTok videos, a segment on YouTube “nepotism,” and ridicule of right-wing panels invoking “maps of consciousness.”
• Notable Jennifer Welch Interview: A Democratic candidate for Georgia governor is grilled relentlessly about AIPAC donations, exemplifying the kind of adversarial journalism missing in mainstream media ([123:25]-[128:38]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jeet Heer ([28:28]):
  “One is reluctant to start using this language because you don’t want to be the boy who cried wolf, but… there’s more and more wolves.”

• Brian ([84:36]):
  “They’re rounding up people who are American citizens too. Not that that should matter, of course…”

• Sam Seder ([4:24]):
  “It seems not the smartest of things to do, but of course, it worked out well for… Oh yeah, when Hitler fired all the generals.”

• RM Brown ([78:55]):
  "It's terrifying... walking through an ICE raid, these guys don't know what they're doing, walking around with rifles in the street."

• Greta Thunberg (clip) ([13:26]):
  "What we are doing is trying to show that there is still some humanity left, that there are still people willing to step up when all other means fail. But this is a last resort. This mission should not have to exist."

• Sam Seder ([101:15]):
  “The biggest problem is not the Joker or Penguin sending out these masked thugs—it’s our government.”

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Timestamps — Key Segments

• 00:00 – 03:44: Opening: Political overview, list of stories (ICE, Netanyahu at UN, Trump’s legal moves, tariffs)
• 06:42 – 12:32: Authoritarianism, ICE tactics, UN walkout, shifting public opinion on Israel/Gaza
• 13:10 – 15:21: Gaza flotilla, Greta Thunberg quote, Italy/Spain’s moves
• 16:29 – 19:20: Trump’s stance on West Bank annexation and motivations
• 28:28 – 36:09: Jeet Heer on authoritarian creep, anti-antifa orders, war on terror “brought home”
• 39:19 – 41:09: Authoritarian economics, lack of handouts except to repressive forces
• 47:26 – 53:05: Dysfunctional Democratic opposition, reliance on courts, lack of messaging
• 54:46 – 65:37: Kamala Harris and party leadership failures; insular, hierarchical Democratic culture
• 78:55 – 93:15: RM Brown on ICE raids, video evidence; bystander intervention and pushback strategies
• 99:00 – 107:53: ICE masking, superhero analogies mocked, connection to fascist iconography
• 130:44 – 138:05: Ticketmaster’s monopolistic price-gouging and cultural stratification
• 141:27 – 147:51: Megyn Kelly’s “Etsy witch” panic, exorcism lore, right-wing conspiracy culture
• 123:25 – 128:38: Jennifer Welch’s AIPAC grilling, adversarial journalism
• Final: End notes, plugs, reader mail, and humorous wrap-up

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Tone & Approach

The conversation is irreverent, smartly satirical, and often darkly funny, blending serious political analysis with comic relief and pointed pop culture references. The hosts direct sharp skepticism at the mainstream Democrats, the flailing media ecosystem, and right-wing spectacle, while highlighting moments of resistance and shifts in public consciousness.

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For New Listeners

If you missed this episode, you got:

• A fearless, unvarnished look at the U.S.'s authoritarian slide;
• A window into the human impact of ICE brutality and grassroots protest;
• Concise, data-backed analysis on shifting Israel–Palestine discourse;
• Firsthand perspective, political history, and sharp analogies from Jeet Heer;
• Satirical media commentary and right-wing lunacy straight from RM Brown;
• Live critiques of U.S. party politics and the (sometimes) hopeful glimmers of genuine opposition.

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Transcript

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[Brian]

Okay.

[Sam Cedar]

Meanwhile, Trump's authoritarianism moves into using the dog DOJ to prosecute enemies of com enemies as comey indicted. That was a mouthful. Next up, threaten the military phase as hegseth to convene all U. S. Generals and admirals across the globe in one place at one time.

[Brian]

They keep doing this too with also not respecting the lone survivor thing, right or not the the designated. Yeah, it's very odd.

[Sam Cedar]

It seems not the smartest of things to do, but of course it worked out well for who is it that guy? Oh yeah, when Hitler fired all the general. Dozens of UN ambassadors walk out as Netanyahu attempts to justify a genocide. Immigrants with no criminal record now the largest group held in ICE detention as the detainee death toll hits 6,000. Trump to levy a huge import tax on Pharmaceuticals, supposedly 100%. Kitchen cabinets, furniture, heavy trucks, all double digit massive tariffs. But don't worry, it only goes into effect in four days. So five days. Trump says he will not allow Israel to annex the west bank. But do we have that clip? We should get that clip. We have five days out from a government shutdown. Democrats actually seem to be digging in. Federal prison bureau ends union protection for workers. Microsoft disables some of its services to the IDF under pressure from activists. Yes, huge and good news folks. Measles hit a 20 year high in this country and pediatric flu Deaths hit a 15 year high.

[Emma Vigeland]

Records all over the place.

[Sam Cedar]

Two thirds of immigrants at alligator alley who were there in July have seemed to have just disappeared. Lastly, Spain, Italy deploy naval vessels to protect the humanitarian flotilla headed to Gaza. All this and more on today's majority report. It is Friday.

[Brian]

Yes, a very casual one. Matt, you gotta bring me on screen if you don't mind. Here I come.

[Sam Cedar]

Brian's not here today.

[Brian]

Brian's not here and Matt is just.

[Sam Cedar]

Taking a sweet time mosing over to the.

[Emma Vigeland]

That was a left handed.

[Brian]

Seems maneuver. Yeah, well done.

[Sam Cedar]

Thanks for joining us folks. You know every couple of days we move into a different stage of authoritarianism. We still have obviously an increased number of ICE thugs going around tackling people, shoving women, children, ripping families apart, disappearing them to detention centers where conditions are awful, people are dying. There's protest is happening today, sometime around now actually in New York City over what's going on with ICE detainees. We'll talk a little bit with Jeet here about the phase of authoritarianism where you go in and use the chief law enforcement officer of the country to go after your political enemies on really wafer thin charges. It's not like we didn't see the actual DM telling Pam Bondi to go after Comey and others. We'll get to that as well. But what is happening today, just across the river from us, Benjamin Netanyahu is addressing the UN this is coming at a time where multiple countries in Europe have recognized at the very least the concept of a Palestinian state and that.

[Brian]

People may say, okay, what does that mean in the face of this genocide? And I think there's a fair point there. But Moin Rabani had a really good piece in Jacobin speaking about this where it's the easiest thing for these European and Western governments to do so. And it's clearly a response to pressure from activists. But it also is not meaningless given the fact that Israel is responding with absolute fury about it. Because as we played the other day, this, this reporting from the Guardian where they interviewed people in Tel Aviv, you can just tell that they're most concerned about worldwide perception of Israel more than, of course, the Palestinians, even at these protests. And this is a major problem for them in the diplomatic sphere.

[Sam Cedar]

There's a lot going wrong for Israel in that sphere. Meanwhile, they have leveled parts of Gaza City, like just absolutely leveled and devastated it. 47% of respondents, according to a new Quinnipiac poll that was released yesterday, say that backing Israel is in the national interest of the United States, while 41% believe it is not, and 12% do not know the answer. This is a sharp change from December 2023, when Quinnipiac reported that respondents backed Israel by a 69 to 23 margin. That's a huge change. The survey also found that 49% of American voters have an unfavorable opinion of Netanyahu, 21% saying that they have a favorable opinion of him, 31% approving of Trump's handling of the Israel Gaza war, 56% disapproving of. It'd be nice if the Democrats had the opportunity to exploit something like that. The number of Americans who are now sympathizing with the Palestinians over Israelis has gone up sharply. Just 8% of Democrats, 25% of independents back Israel's Gaza campaign. 65. I should say that's in Germany. 58% of Americans favor a UN recognition of a Palestinian state. And half of US registered voters say Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza, not just Democrats. Not just Democrats. No. And we have. Well, this is the way that people reacted to Netanyahu at the UN today.

[Brian]

These are the delegates. This is not applause for Netanyahu.

[Sam Cedar]

Order in hall. This is applause for people leaving. As you can see. Order in the hall.

[Brian]

No order.

[RM Brown]

No order during a genocide place.

[Sam Cedar]

Order in the hall.

[Emma Vigeland]

Looks like lunch break.

[Sam Cedar]

It's called Walk in the room.

[Jeet Heer]

Please.

[Sam Cedar]

Order in the hall and please be seated. Looks like it's going to be an exclusive speech. So, I mean, the vast majority of delegates at the UN General assembly walk out on Netanyahu.

[Brian]

This is the image tweeted out by the state of Palestine account. I mean, pretty powerful, all those empty seats.

[Sam Cedar]

Meanwhile, speaking of power, Spain and Italy have deployed naval vessels to protect the humanitarian flotilla. Greece has said that it will be protected as it goes through their, I guess, their waters. But this is a big deal because, as you know, Israel has attempted to board or has boarded flotillas in the past, has fired drones at them and.

[Brian]

Detained Chris Smalls and beat him in severe conditions among, you know, others.

[Sam Cedar]

And here is Greta Thunberg on that same flotilla as it heads to Gaza.

[Brian]

I'm not scared of Israel. I'm scared of a world that has seemingly lost all sense of humanity. And what we are doing here is trying to show that there is still some humanity left, that there are still people willing to step up when all other means fail. But this is a last resort. This mission should not have to exist.

[Sam Cedar]

There it is.

[Brian]

I mean, creating a humanitarian corridor is also terrifying right now to Israel when, I mean, I was listening to an interview with a drop site reporter speaking from the flotilla. We interviewed Greg Stoker recently from the flotilla as well. He was speaking to Crystal Ball and Ryan Graham about what the nature of this protection is from these European ships. And apparently it's still ongoing. Right. The Italian one is supposedly just there for rescue purposes. The Spanish government might be acting a little bit more, I guess, aggressively towards Israel is my understanding. But we still. He was saying the negotiations are ongoing. But in the best case scenario of what happens here is if you have European countries and Greece may be joining the fight soon as well, protecting this, a flotilla, and they're able to break the siege. This shows that there are opportunities for countries to come together and deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza through this corridor and dare the Israelis to bomb European ships.

[Emma Vigeland]

A lot of strike actions going on, I think, particularly Italy, too.

[Sam Cedar]

Italy has been. There have been national strikes.

[Brian]

It's the dock workers. Yeah.

[Emma Vigeland]

This is Paolo Massetti, an Italian journalist in Pisa, once a socialist stronghold in Italy, the city's firefighters joined the general strike for Gaza and knelt in front of the Pill Austinian flag.

[Sam Cedar]

Let's play this. This is from Trump on about yesterday, I guess it was. And asked if he would allow Israel to annex the West Bank. And as you know, it was widely reported that Miriam Adelson had made her $120 million campaign donation to Trump contingent upon a promise that he would allow for full annexation of the west bank or for annexation of the West Bank. I should say in the meantime, what I suspect may have happened is that Trump's friends in Saudi Arabia said that is a bridge too far and you're going to screw up our deals with you. I think this, the idea that Trump has in some way found a conscience about this is absurd.

[Emma Vigeland]

He found a luxury plane from Qatar.

[Sam Cedar]

What was the. Oh, okay, now I get it. But here is Trump. And what's interesting here is we could see and you know, Jasper Nathaniel from Infinite Jest may very well be headed into that area.

[Emma Vigeland]

Infinite Jazz.

[Sam Cedar]

Jazz, sorry, chest. I always do that. And he's, you know, has reported from there in the past and has been, you know, following intensely as sources West Bank. Either they just continue on with this sort of rolling, unofficial annexation of the west bank or there is a clash with Netanyahu and Trump and we'll see, you know, Taco Trump. But here he is talking tough here.

[Brian]

Did you promise leaders this week that you would not allow Israel to annex the West Bank?

[Sam Cedar]

Is that something that you said? I will not allow Israel to annex the West Bank. No, I will not allow it. It's not going to happen.

[Brian]

Did you speak with Netanyahu about this?

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah, but I'm not going to allow it. Whether I spoke to him or not, I did. But I'm not allowing Israel to annex the West Bank. There's been enough. It's time to stop now.

[Brian]

Okay, so what's really interesting about the timing of this was wasn't Tucker Carlson have had a segment earlier this week that speaking about how Netanyahu is humiliating Donald Trump. And I saw some people speculating, saying this is going to get back to him. I mean, he's very easily manipulated. He also doesn't have and is susceptible to flattery. Harris said that during the campaign, one of, you know, her only kind of astute observations, unfortunately. But, yeah, there it is Wednesday on Glenn Greenwald show. It's humiliating. Tucker Carlson rages over Netanyahu controlling the US And Trump, who knows what factors into his decisions. This also comes back. You know, Rubio had just come back from his trip and the Qataris are furious that Israel bombed their country when they were being mediators. So we don't know what is factoring into this decision. But I just don't trust that Trump has the wherewithal or the fortitude to follow through on this or even understand like what is happening with Area E or whatever. That settlement that Israel just approved that creates basically forecloses the idea of a contiguous Palestinian state from occupied East Jerusalem to the West Bank. Does Trump know that that means essentially annexation even when they're not annexing it? My guess is no. And that's my prediction for how he's going to.

[Sam Cedar]

I suspect that this is a function of what is a red line for either Qatar or Saudi Arabia or other Arab states who are afraid of potential reaction in the event that Israel annexes the West Bank. And whatever deals Trump has, I mean the guy has doubled his net worth in nine months. That's pretty good business sense. And whatever deals he has with them is in jeopardy. And Schwing State on the IM says, can you guys explain exactly what it means for the US not to allow Israel to annex the West Bank? Well, US has protected Israel in the UN Security Council for ages. And you know, for the UN Security Council to condemn it, for there to be full fledged boycotts and sanctions and a non recognition. You know, the only difference really essentially with annexation from what it is now is that how the international community views it. And the lack of annexation gives the international community some type of fig leaf as to pretend that it's not happening. And so it's not that the US can absolutely stop it, but the US has an enormous amount of leverage over Israel in terms of weapons, et cetera, et cetera. And then if they simply decide to stop defending Israel's actions in these situations, then Israel's got some much bigger problems. In a moment we're going to have Jeet here on we will talk to him maybe about some of this and then other things as well. Getting into cold and flu season? Yep, I got my flu shot and I got my Covid shot. But the important thing is is to also take your vitamins, keep your immune system strong. There's a lot of multivitamins out there, but ritual is different. They're essential for men. 18 plus multivitamin is a science backed is made with traceable and bioavailable key ingredients. What does that mean with traceable? It means, you know where these ingredients come from, which is important because there are some places that really frankly don't have the same regulations that at the very least we used to have in this country. And bioavailable means that there's a good uptake. And the thing I love about these is that they are easy on the stomach. Ritual shares the source, the supplier, the scientific research backing each active ingredient so you know what you're putting in your body and why. I've told the story a million times. I had a vitamin D deficiency. According to my doctor. I would leave the doctor's office, I would buy a multivitamin, I would have it and then I would run out and then I would never get it again. And Ritual is not only got great stuff in, but like I say, easy on the stomach. So when you remember to take your vitamin, you don't have to say oh, I haven't eaten any food right now, I can't take it right now. And then you forget and they send you with a subscription. They send you vitamins on a regular basis. The they're essential for men 18 plus multivitamin and contains 10 key nutrients and two delayed release capsules designed for optimal absorption per day. Omega 3 DHA to support heart and brain health. Vitamin D3 to support normal muscle and immune function. Like they say here, designed to be gentle on the stomach. Yes, Essential for Men is third party tested for heavy metals and clean label project certified so you know you can trust what you're putting in your body. Ritual multivitamins are vegan, non GMO project verified gluten and major allergen free again made traceable. It's HSA and FSA eligible with a seamless checkout experience so you can save when you shop with pre tax dollars. Essential for Men is a quality multivitamin from a company you can actually trust. Get 25% off your first month for a limited [e-mail] majority. That's ritual.com majority for 25% off your first month. And lastly, I just want to let you know one of my daily reads or at least I visit there every day waiting to see what, what's going to be up there next. Current affairs if you like deep, thoughtful, progressive analysis and I like to think that you do because of course that's the show we're doing. You're going to love Current Affairs. They have a print and digital edition of Current Affairs. Current affairs combines intelligent commentary, biting political satire and really sort of almost like surprisingly gorgeous artwork.

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[Jeet Heer]

Does seem like where, you know, things are starting to hit the fan and you know, like one is sometimes a bit reluctant to start using this language because you don't want to be, you know, the boy that cried wolf. But, you know, like actually, you know, like there's more and more wolves and there's even like stuff that I don't think people are paying enough attention to which are quite striking. I actually think that the, you know, Charlie Kirk assassination and then this latest attack on the ICE facility, both actually like very ambiguous events in many ways. But they're trying to use it for everything that it's worth. And there's stuff that people don't talk about, like the declaring antifa as a domestic terrorist organization which has like real potential for like being used as against the left.

[Brian]

Well, we talked about that yesterday a little with Ken Klippenstein. And I asked nihilistic nve I was asking him about that because I saw some reporting saying like, okay, this executive order where he makes this declaration, doesn't have any teeth. He doesn't have the ability to change it via executive order. But Ken pushed back and he said, I think that reporting is a Bit misleading, because it's really not a question of some official declaration. It's just how does it, Our law enforcement on the federal level prioritize things. And Trump has clearly told them, prioritize this, and that's really all he needs to do.

[Jeet Heer]

That's exactly right. I actually also had a conversation with Ken exactly along that line.

[Brian]

I think he really gets around that guy more probably.

[Jeet Heer]

The way to think about this, I think, is that this is the ultimate sort of blowback from Bush's war on terror, that within the global war on terror, you had this kind of apparatus that was set up to combat Al Qaeda. And even at that point, a lot of people said, you're fighting terrorism, which is like a tactic, and you're certainly using the American military, which is maybe the most efficient way to deal with things. But there was such a thing as Al Qaeda, there was a network, and there's ways in which you could disrupt that. But what Trump's entire worldview involved is, you know, coming out of the failure of the war on terror, you know, which ended with two big wars being lost, the right has turned inwards, and they want to, like, you know, use the apparatus of the war on terror domestically. And people like Gorka, Sebastian Gorka are like, come out of that, and they're going to use the sort of worldview and way of thinking and state apparatus that was used in the Middle East. It's going to be applied domestically. And I think that, that, you know, like, if you think about what that would mean, it's terrifying. It is the war, to use the old 60s slogan, you know, bring the war home. Well, they are bringing the war home.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah, indeed. And I think, you know, your point at the top, you know, suggesting, like, it's hard to use the word authoritarian without. Because you almost want to keep some powder dry. Yeah. But I don't know, like, when, when you've, you know, when you've been pushed off a cliff. Have you fallen off a cliff if you haven't hit the ground yet? Like, I mean, the. It's like, I. It's quite clear that we are headed down this path. And, you know, I've had these conversations with people, more normie types, and the almost universal response is, you know, a. Something to the effect of, like, well, we just got to get through these next two or three years. And which I think is not. It's sensible, but I don't think it works that way. I don't think, like, I don't think that you just. This stuff runs at an increasingly higher like accelerates and runs at a greater pace. And then all of a sudden it just ends. I think the idea is that step by step by step, they consolidate power. And just the idea that Trump wouldn't attempt to cancel elections, whether it's either in 2026 or 2028, seems the idea that he wouldn't attempt to do it seems pretty far fetched at this point. And we're a week out from Hegseth, getting all the generals and admirals together. And there is, there is historical precedent for this type of thing where they bring these generals in and say, like, you better swear you fealty now or you get fired. The original was in German, but so.

[Jeet Heer]

This is like, yeah, yeah, this is.

[Sam Cedar]

When you got to stop this stuff right before you fall off that cliff.

[Jeet Heer]

No, I think that, I think that's absolutely right. They are sort of like in a phase of consolidating their power and, you know, turning over, transforming the instruments of state power into their own hands. And I think, you know, one has seen that, especially with the FBI, where this really is Cash Patel's FBI. And I know that they're good people that are working there. And one does see a sort of tension, especially in these kind of recent shootings, between the people who are the sort of fact finding part of the FBI where they're gathering evidence and, you know, they haven't concluded in all the big cases that these are basically lone wolves, that they, you know, there was no network. But then you get Cash Patel and Trump and all these other people, like, you know, like saying, putting out this narrative that there's this vast left wing network, that it is a transgender ideology, antifa and like, where does it lead? And I would also say, like, you know, like this sort of the actions that they're taking do not suggest that they plan to contest elections. And this goes, you know, not just the sort of repressive aspects, but also even their economic policies. I don't think that you kind of do the kind of austerity and slash and burn stuff. I think, well, we'll just put it to the voters, but we don't know. Certainly the time to fight back is now. And the other worrying thing is that we have seen time and again surrender of elite institutions, surrender the universities, surrender of big law, surrender of Wall street, surrender of the media. And to the extent that there has been resistance, it's come from popular forces. I mean, the Jimmy Kimmel case, you know, as trivial as in some ways it is, was the case that like There was like a, you know, mass popular mobilization of people canceling their Disney things, and that is what transformed it. Whereas, like, you know, like, you know, Disney seemed, like, perfectly happy to surrender. And so, yeah, I mean, the twin dynamic of an increasingly aggressive administration and an elite that has basically decided to take the approach that you outlined. Let's just wait till the next election. Let's wait two or three years. That's not a good dynamic.

[Sam Cedar]

There's. These may be triplets. Not just that twin dynamic. Yeah, the. The stuff that's happening in the context of CBS and Paramount and the potential that Ellison will also buy Time Warner, which would mean then CNN and the Daily Show, Comedy Central, hbo. In one rather large fell swoop, you could see the elimination of a lot of this sort of mass media that would provide a critical perspective to those normies who think, like, oh, it's going to go away in four years. We should also say just, I think that's your smoke detector that's going off. Is that yours?

[Jeet Heer]

It is, but that's okay. That's normal.

[Sam Cedar]

All right. I just wanted to.

[Jeet Heer]

Yes, the fire's always going off.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay. Well, I just wanted to let people know what that noise was. But, I mean, it is really. It is disturbing and it's nice. Like you say, the Jimmy Kimmel thing may be trivial, but any display of pushback on the administration is good. What is, I would say, the only thing that seems to be inconsistent with other authoritarian style, I guess, growing authoritarian states. And we should say, you know, like Stephen Miller was, if not quoting Goebbels the other night, like, clearly channeling there. Well, I don't know. These channels. I'm like, they're studying this.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

You know, they're. They're studying these things. And, you know, I don't know if, how, how, you know, how much you need a roadmap, but they're looking for roadmaps. And those roadmaps have not led in very good places.

[Brian]

I mean, I would argue that the way that they are trying to incentivize ICE recruitment is very much borrowed also from the Nazis trying to create this lucrative option for these wannabe fascists.

[Sam Cedar]

But. But the one thing that they're not doing is providing those economic benefits that often comes hand in hand with an attempt to consolidate power. They. I mean, all we're seeing is either some version of austerity, whether it's going to be in Medicaid, and we're going to see it in the context of what's happening with Obamacare and These tariffs or austerity, that's sort of like, papered over and pushed into the future. There's no, like, handing out benefits, which is often, you know, sort of one of the plays. That may be the, the best. That may be the one sort of saving grace when we talk about if there's an opportunity in 2026 with all the gerrymandering that's going to happen for at least a slow. On the role of them taking power.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah, no, no, that is an interesting point. I think the sort of plutocratic aspect of the American right has always cut against doing the more populist, authoritarian thing of you build the auto, you create jobs, you know, like, you know, say what you want about National Socialism. At least it had an economic policy. You know, like the. But, but on the other hand, I mean, I think what Trump is doing is maybe doing it on a more personal level. I like, you know, like, I'm the president. If you are nice to me, kiss my ring, you know, I'll throw you favors and maybe like, trying to also even, like, with things like the farmers, you know, like the tariffs hurt the farmers, but then I'll take the money from the tariffs and give it to the farmers. Like, like, there does seem to be some element of trying to make stuff.

[Brian]

That's what I was. That's kind of. Yeah, is, is those are the only economic, the economies falling apart. The only economic kind of benefits that they're providing are for their Gestapo, which is. They're borrowing that from the Nazis. That's also what they did.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah. No, no, I mean, the, I know the, the, the, the ICE stuff and, you know, like, all the money that's going to building these detention centers. There does seem to be something like you're creating a sort of cadre of loyalty and also, you know, to go back to the hexa thing, you know, trying to make the military as your Praetorian guard that is loyal to you. So. Yeah, I mean, you know, you know, you don't want to get too far ahead of yourself, but it's all heading in a very, A bad direction. And as I said, like, you know, I'd be a little bit more confident if there was like a coherent opposition.

[Sam Cedar]

Well, that's how I wanted to turn to that. Yes. And we should say, you know, so maybe like, to segue into that coherent or lack of a coherent opposition. We're five days away from a government shutdown. Really. Four and a half at this point. I guess I don't know what happens if the Generals are all headed to D.C. and then the government shuts down. I'm not sure. Obviously, the military doesn't, but I don't know if they're all taking military planes. Like, I'm not sure exactly what happens in that instance, but the, the, the Democrats seem to do we have that Hakeem Jeffries thing. Do you see that? I think I may have retweeted it, or I'm not sure. I think day and retweeted, but Hakeem Jeffries was out there, and I really don't appreciate a lot of what he does, but he was talking a lot tougher. Chuck Schumer has supposedly, supposedly, if you read sort of like the Hill and Politico, so he's supposedly determined not to cave. But sometimes when you have to say that, it's because if you're in the process of caving. But what is your sense of at least the government shutdown? And then let's move to sort of the broader question of the, of the, the opposition, as it were.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah, sure. I mean, I do actually think that on the shutdown, there does seem to be a change. And I. But viewers will remember, like, the last time we were close to a shutdown, Schumer was basically saying, well, now is not the time, and the shutdown would hurt workers. And he had came up with many reasons. I do think this is kind of related to this issue of popular anger and the Democrats themselves, Democratic elites like Schumer and Jefferies worried that voters are getting mad at them. One sees this, I think, explicitly in people like Ezra Klein and Matt Iglesias, I think, are the sort of, you know, intellectual equivalents where they're basically saying, like, oh, it really looks like Democrat voters are Democratic Party voters are very mad and they're going to go after us, so we got to give them some red meat. And this shutdown is the best way to sort of like, channel that anger in, in a pro establishment way. So I actually think that Schumer and Jeffries are basically, you know, there is. Are responding to things like Zoran winning the primary. Right. Like, they really don't want to get. They're worried that, you know, like, you know, their phony baloney jobs are on the line.

[Sam Cedar]

Here's Hakeem Jeffries. And just to prepare people so that you're not shocked, his response about the potential for a government shutdown is not to just defer to God to take care of it, which I know people probably going to, if you're familiar with Hakeem Jeffries going to feel somewhat surprised by this, but here he is.

[Emma Vigeland]

Workers that are just worried about losing their jobs.

[Sam Cedar]

Donald Trump and the administration have been.

[Dave Rubin]

Engaging in mass firings that we deem.

[Sam Cedar]

Illegal throughout the year. We will continue to push back against any effort to undermine federal civil service protections that exist in the United States of America as a negotiating tactic.

[Dave Rubin]

Our response to Russ vote is simple.

[Sam Cedar]

Get lost.

[Brian]

Good. But I would also point out that it's easier for Hakeem Jeffries to say that than Chuck Schumer. Like Jeffries is trying to save his own ass. The 60 votes are needed in the Senate and all I'm see, I'm seeing Patty Murray being like, the Democrats aren't the ones that want to shut down the government or whatever. I'm not as confident in the Senate Democrats.

[Jeet Heer]

Well, yeah, no, no. I mean, this is. Yeah, no, I think that, I think that's right in terms of the political dynamic. And I don't think Schumer has control of his caucus. But, you know, I do actually think that the incentive structure for Schumer has changed. I think that his job is also kind of like on the line. Like, I, I think he's very unpopular and. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, this all goes back to the, you know, this issue of where will the opposition come from. I think that the angrier voters are at the Democratic Party, the more likely it is that you're going to get a Democratic Party that stands up to Trump.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah, I think that's true. And I think the only thing that gives me some confidence that Schumer at least is, is that. But Jeffries got sort of screwed last time with Schumer. And I, I think he would be hesitant to go so far out in front of his skis were, were he not confident that Schumer was going to hold the line. And, you know, there's something like you see Thune coming out there and sort of saying the Democrats demands are too high, which is sort of surprising because they won't take a meeting. So they don't really know what the demands are. So this is going to be interesting because this is a real game of chicken, and we'll see. And it's going to be the first indication, I think, by the Democratic leadership that there's something extraordinary going on, even though we've had government shutdowns before. So let's talk about this cohesive lack of cohesive, because even in the messaging of this government shutdown, it is unclear what, what the message is. I mean, I'm Happy for it. But what, what, what is the message? Like, we, this is the Hakeem Jeffrey thing is the first time I've heard him say, like, they've been doing sort of illegal stuff all year, so we're not going to do that. But, like, it's all over the place.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah, no, no, there isn't a kind of coherent messaging. And it's kind of a shame because I think that what Jeffrey just said could have been a messaging for a long time, you know, like, Trump has been doing illegal stuff. I think Schumer's strategy has been to rely on the courts and I think, you know, to try to be, like, fair minded. You know, the courts have been stopping a lot of Trump stuff. But, you know, like, as I read the Constitution, you know, like, the courts are not the only avenue of checks and balances, and Congress has a responsibility. And so the, and especially, like, if you're coming into, like, midterms, you actually, like, as an opposition party, want to be, like, making the case, like, why we should, you know, win back, control the Senate and the House. And to me, the best way to do it is to say that Trump is, like, running rampant and is, you know, like, creating a constitutional crisis. We have to be the Czechs. And the reluctance to say that, to me is, like, very disturbing. They might be heading in that direction.

[Sam Cedar]

They're not only reluctant to say that, they're also reluctant to offer any type of, like, any people who engage in this type of activity are going to be held accountable if we get back into office, which is also, like, you know, an important thing to say, like, we're going to fix things or stuff like, hey, this media consolidation. Yeah. I think I saw Murphy on TV the other day saying something to that effect of, like, we're going to get in there and we've got to deal with this media consolidation, like, come up with a programmatic answer to what Trump is doing in addition to resistance.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah, no, I think that's. I think there's actually a lot of avenues of, you know, like, you know, like, all the evidence is that Trump is getting Pam Bondi and Casp Patel to go after his political enemies. And, like, one thing you can certainly do is say, like, you know, like, you know, like, once we're back in power, you know, like, not only will we have investigations, but there will be punishment. Pam Bondi could be disbarred. Right. And you can certainly say to, like, all the sort of media outlets and big law, like, you know, we're not going to Forget this. Like, just, just say that we will not forget what has happened. We will not forget the way you caved into Trump. And more broadly, you can make, I think, as Elizabeth Warren has been doing, and others make the case that, you know, the real problem is not just Trump's authoritarianism, but the sort of centralization of the media and sort of plutocracy which is making it much easier to have a very small elite that will serve on behalf of Trump and which is actually very interested in encouraging everything that Trump is doing. So, you know, like, there's a lot more you can do and you. Yeah, exactly. Create an incentive structure so that people fear you. But they don't want to do that.

[Sam Cedar]

No, it's nuts. Now, I will say you got some Democrats in the Senate who are like, you know, calling for the release of information. Tom Homan, our Department of justice has apparently video of Tom Homan taking a bag full, literally full of money, taking a fast food bag.

[Emma Vigeland]

Kava bag.

[Sam Cedar]

What is kava? I don't know. Kava. Everybody can say kava.

[Jeet Heer]

Is it a grocery store? Is it? You help me out.

[Emma Vigeland]

I think it's like a sweet green style, Mediterranean. Sweet green.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay. But nevertheless. Okay, So a healthy alternative to fast food full of $50,000. Yeah. Nuts. This is absolutely nuts. And what's, what's amazing about this is like, this was a 45 minute story the other day.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. I mean, but, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of things like that, but I mean, that is particularly nuts. And, you know, like, again, the defective opposition party, you know, would make this like, you know, like, we got to get this guy out of there. But also, like, Trump and his administration are hugely corrupt, and they're usually corrupt at a time where people are hurting. And, you know, the other interesting thing about this is that even though the, you know, Schumer and Jefferies are not really providing an opposition, I think people are actually paying attention to this as well as paying attention to the economic news, because if you look at Trump's numbers, they're really going down.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh, they're going down. But the problem is none of that. I mean, and, you know, Schumer was on TV the other day going like, the generic ballots going back up, and they hate us as much as they hate the Republicans, but they really hate Trump more. And we're going to get the votes. I mean, that's a strategy relying on a lot of stuff that you don't control. Like, literally, specifically, you don't control Then the idea that, like, Donald Trump's net worth has doubled in nine months, like, that's insane. And the idea that Democrats aren't even able to articulate this with one voice. It is. Schumer and Jeffries are being studious in making sure that people don't realize they're there. Like, that is their agenda. It's fascinating.

[Jeet Heer]

Well, I mean, like, more broadly, what we've seen since the emergence of Trump in 2015 is the idea that the threat of Trump will be enough to get votes in line. We just have to make sure this guy's unpopular and that will be voted in this alternative. And we don't have to offer like any sort of, like, policy alternative or any way to like combat this because we're just the non Trump and that we will run on anchor regime restoration. That is to say, we will take you back to the happy time before Trump when the system worked. And I think that the real pattern it has been that Trump was able to come in as the voice of anti system anger and that the Democratic Party elite has consolidated itself as the pro system party. And I think Schumer and Jeffries, despite taking a sort of stronger stance now, they are still trying to run as a pro system party and as a party that basically believes that aside from Trump, everything is going well, we get rid of Trump and everything will be restored. And you know, like, that's, you know, we have seen that the, A, that isn't actually effective for keeping Trump out of power, but B, like, you know, all the sort of corruption and all the sort of authoritarianism, like, what happens to that? Like, how do you have even, even on its own terms, how do you like, save the system if there's no punishment or there's no like, roadmap for like, dealing with like, you know, like the, the crimes that we've seen and.

[Sam Cedar]

Cannot point out what is being done now, the severity of what is being done now, if you do not offer a, an ambitious plan to fix it, right. It's like, it's like, you know, don't worry, I'll deal with that little chip on the vase. But if the vase is broken into a thousand pieces, you need to have a more aggressive plan. And if you don't have an aggressive plan, there's no way to know that this vase just broke. And so. All right, let's. Speaking of all this is a good segue into your piece on Kamala Harris's book has come out. And in fact, I have it right.

[Jeet Heer]

Here for my sins. I've actually read it. I have a review up in the Nation, but I wouldn't ever encourage anyone to read this entire book. But I actually do think the first 50 pages gives you enough.

[Sam Cedar]

Can you photocopy them for me?

[Jeet Heer]

I will get them to you. But I mean, there's. I think actually in some ways this book is a vindication of a lot of the stuff that the show has been saying and I've been saying on the show. Like, as we said, Kamala Harris needs to separate herself out from Joe Biden and that Gaza is a huge drag. Not speaking on Gaza is a huge problem. And I think Kamala Harris basically admits to all this. She basically says that Joe Biden was not able to show the same sort of empathy for Palestinians that he had for Ukrainians. And one can sort of think, well, why would that be? What does it say? That you're empathetic for one group of people and not the other. But it also, it's a very damning book about Joe Biden and the Biden circle. Like, she has a few digs against Mike Donilon and Anita Dunn that are actually, I think, quite effective. And Jill Biden, to be honest. But it's also, if you. And she's critical of herself, but only on messaging things. Like I gave this interview where I was inarticulate. But she has, if you actually, like, step up, back a little bit. It's actually very damning of her because she basically ran as being sort of the continuity. The continuity candidate that I will be the candidate that will continue Biden. And what she said on the view was her kind of point of view. I can't think of anything I would have done different than Biden except maybe I would have appointed a Republican.

[Sam Cedar]

The, the, the thing that I took from your review, because I will tell you right now, I will not be reading that book. It is highly unlikely that I even read those first 50 pages. But the idea of, like, I believe all the things that, you know, Biden, the Biden people were bad. And, but, but if 107 days and the pressure of a campaign, you cannot figure out that this is a bad idea, to not distance myself from him in this environment. I think you are not qualified to be president United States. Like, like, you know, you are not qualified to be present to, to, to be the most important political leader of a political party. That's just the way it goes. Like, you know, part of this stuff is a test. And if you cannot tell. And the thing is, they knew too. Like, it's not like this Gaza stuff was a surprise. I saw a little segment where, you know, part of the reason why she didn't pick Shapiro was she felt that he might be too controversial because of that. But we also know that campaigners like canvassers and stuff like this were told we're no longer registering what people say about Gaza in our files because they didn't want to know. And this is just incompetence. You know, it's like whatever her politics are, there's incompetence here.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah, I mean, there's incompetency, but I think there is a larger politics. And it really comes through in the book with this word that she keeps using, loyalty. You know, like I have to be loyal to Joe Biden. You know, it's the job of the vice President to show loyalty. And actually there's a further twist on this, which is that Biden himself was loyal to Benjamin Netanyahu, which is also a misplaced loyalty, and he was not.

[Brian]

Loyal to Kamala Harris. So what's the point? Why is it one way?

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah, exactly. But that's what they want. I mean, this is a hierarchical party, a party that is averse to democracy within its own ranks and which demands a one way loyalty. I mean, whether people read the book or not, I mean, I think that is the message that comes through. And there's actually, I will mention this, it's a kind of like startling scene which illustrates why she could not speak out against Biden, which is that it's okay. So imagine it's the night of the debate and you know, like Kamala Harris has been practicing for the debate.

[Sam Cedar]

Her debate. Her debate.

[Jeet Heer]

Her debate with Joe Biden. With. With Donald Trump. Donald Trump. The big night. You know, one of the. Which she actually did quite well in one of the big events where you can kind of reach people and change people's mind. And suddenly out of the blue she gets a call from Biden, who she hadn't spoken with for a couple of weeks. And he says, you know, hey kid, how's it going? And she says, oh, you know, I guess he wants to cheer me up. And then he says, my brother, you know, you're going out to Philly because my brother's out in Philly and he's speaking to some real power brokers in Philly. Now, by the way, that phrase, power brokers in Philly, it's like, are we like Robert Moses here? Are we in 1970? Some of these power brokers are a little bit concerned that you might not Respect me and that you're not going to. You might put some distance between you and me and your campaign might do that. And you know, like, just, just be aware of that. Right. So it's basically a veiled threat. Not even a veiled threat. It's a threat. Right? Like if you criticize me in any way, if you put any daylight between you and me, I have enough support within the party. I have my own people who can like really mess you up in a swing state. So she was like, you know, this is the, what, you know, what Emma said, you know, like, loyalty is a one way street. You have to show loyalty to Joe Biden. And I think that, like that way of organizing a party, you know, like it cannot continue. Like, you know, like we cannot. And I think Harris herself, I mean, interestingly, like, she, she says, you know, like, I always thought I had to work within the system, and now I'm sort of seeing that that doesn't, you know, like the system is breaking down.

[Sam Cedar]

And so you wrote that in your piece. And I and her basically conceding I might not be right for this.

[Brian]

Well, I think that's hopefully, first of all, like, you can see her instincts are bad. Like, why does the COVID look like John Grisham? Like one of the best things she has going for her. And I'll say that she's, she's a beautiful woman. Put your face on the COVID Secondly, why I sometimes struggle sometimes with like putting it on her is fully, which, I mean, but this book tour is making it easier. Is the kind of woman, and particularly women of color that were elevated within the Democratic Party, were elevated with an extremely narrow permission structure that is evident in the weakness that she displays in the excerpts that I've read from the book. And she was picked in many ways because she was going to be a good soldier. She was not prepared to take on a leadership role. And perhaps if she were born at a later time in her life, like, like there would have been, I mean, what we see of the leadership from the squad and stuff like that, that had to come from the grassroots. But for many years, the party elevated black and brown voices in many ways that wouldn't rock the boat. And Biden's racism and misogyny, I think come through so much in his treatment of her. And that's not to absolve her of things, but he deliberately didn't prepare her, undercut her ahead of the debate. And so I feel more sadness when I see her speak in public because I feel she's A avatar of systems of misogyny, corporatism and all of this stuff that has been a plague in the party where she should never have even been in this position to begin with.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah, no, I totally agree with that. I mean, there's an element of real tragedy in her situation which I was hoping to convey in the review. I mean, like, she was very mistreated by the. I think she even like only underplays it a little bit. Like there's almost like she's giving hints. But it's very clear that they did. I mean, Biden did not want really to groom her to be his successor. Like, they really went out of their way to undermine her when she was vice president. But you know, like, it's also the case that, you know, she was the type of person that accepted that slot and that role for herself. You know, it's a chicken and egg situation. But I mean, more systematically it is a problem with the party that, you know, like that kind of, you know, a pro system party that's very hierarchical, where loyalty is a one way street and where there's a real attempt to shut out any sort of party democracy. I mean, I think one thing is that she also needed Biden because they didn't want to have any mini primary. She needed that endorsement right away. And so the original sin was really not having primaries and Biden not stepping down. Or maybe the original sin was Biden running at all in 2020. But in any case, unless the Democrats are more of a real genuinely Democratic party where grassroots voices can rise up and are listened to rather than shunted aside, you know, like what sort of opposition they can provide to Trump. I don't know. Having said that, I mean, I think that the opposition to Trump is rising. I mean, I think there's a genuine popular opposition. And some, yeah, despite this, and some of it unfortunately might take very disturbing and violent forms. But I mean, that's what happens when you don't have like a legitimate Democratic opposition that does its job.

[Emma Vigeland]

Can I ask one question to the group here is how did the Democratic Party that has oriented itself more towards college educated folks also at the same time become less aware of its history? Like what are the main lessons of the Democratic Party of the last century?

[Sam Cedar]

I don't think it's fdr. People operate in that kind of.

[Emma Vigeland]

But so like, okay, let me get drill in there. When it was said, and I was saying that Kamala Harris has the precedent of Hubert Humphrey distancing themselves from the current president and then benefiting from It. Why do people say that's not relevant?

[Sam Cedar]

I don't. Well, I don't think it's relevant because I think there is a mentality based upon sort of, you know, that I think you can align with a certain ideology. That is what Jeet is talking about in terms of like how I move up. You know, when we talk about seniority and we talk about loyalty and we talk about you, you protect the person who is your crane essentially within a. And it's. It's less about the overall health of the enterprise and more about the success of the individuals within it. That is a corporate mentality that I think, like is. Is unquestioned within the context of, you know, there's a lot of money to be made in that campaign and the people who are making that money are. They're not going to provide advice and perspective that is contrary to their own either monetary self enrichment or, you know, sort of like just in terms of like a career self enrichment in some way. I don't think they think about it that way, but I do think that they're. Because they come from that ideology. Their. Their worldview is not to even. That's not relevant because.

[Emma Vigeland]

Crazy.

[Sam Cedar]

Because why would she do that to Biden?

[Brian]

And even how Biden selected her. I want to pick a black woman under. I mean it. Treating her as a cog in the machine. And this is also how many women of her age in corporate America have had to get ahead. So when Sam describes it as this corporate thing, that's what the party is. That's what the party engendered. And there's. And that's. When it's. A court basically functions like a corporation and not as a grassroots political movement where hopefully we're seeing some shifts.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah, yeah. To go back to like, sort of like Matt's point and to expand on what you guys have been saying, I mean, I think there was a point at which the Democratic Party had social movements within it. It had the unions, it had people coming out of the civil rights movement, coming out of feminism. But like, you know, if you're college educated, you know, like college, one of the jobs of going to college is you learn how corporations work. And so I think as the sort of social movements have withered away or become less relevant, and as it has become that sort of professional, managerial party of people who are college educated and went to college to learn how corporate hierarchies work and how you rise within corporate hierarchies, then of course you're going to get people who operate within this framework. And part of that corporate hierarchy is the sort of fake diversity that you get. I think the one hope for the party is, you know, there are still social movements out there, and if they can, you know, make inroads in the party, they can provide a sort of challenge or alternative to this corporate model.

[Sam Cedar]

Jeet here, natural correspondent for the Nation magazine and host of Time of Monsters, always a pleasure. And I also just want to say, folks, should go and read your piece on William Buckley and its review of Buckley, the Life and Revolution that Changed America.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah, I would actually. I mean, this might not be the place to say, but if you ever wanted to do a segment on that, because there's a lot to say about Buckley and it has a lot of lessons for the contemporary moment, because the people who say, like, you know, well, why can't we have, you know, intellectuals like Buckley anymore in this age of Trump? Well, I got news for you, man. Buckley prepared the path to where we are now. I'll throw that out there.

[Emma Vigeland]

Does the National Review allow you to access its full archives yet? Or is that still sort of not allowable?

[Jeet Heer]

I actually have gotten a bootleg copies of National Review from. I can't even say the sources. Graduate students have been doing scans just like the Pentagon Papers, but they don't offer that.

[Emma Vigeland]

And I think that's kind of telling.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah, National Review does not offer that. There's a lot of stuff that's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, and, you know, if you had to go to the actual archives, there's amazing stuff like, you know, the Birmingham. You know, the famous case where the church was bombed and four girls were killed. National Review's position was that, well, it could have been a, quote, crazed Negro that did this. So for understandable reasons, the more things change, huh? Yeah, yeah, but. But rest assured, I have bootleg copies of old National Review.

[Sam Cedar]

There you go. We know where to go for the bootleg copies of the National Review and Kamala Harris's book. Jeet here. Always a pleasure. Thanks so much, man.

[Jeet Heer]

Great to be on. Thank you.

[Sam Cedar]

Also, we cannot encourage Jeet enough to change the battery in his smoke detector. It is not normal. That is not the way that your smoke detector works.

[Brian]

There was a moment where we had a dog chirping and barking in the hallway. We've having some issues with the elevator rattling. We had sirens outside. And I. I almost.

[Emma Vigeland]

Emma's a little bit overstimulated.

[Brian]

I can't. I. I do get very overstimulated, but it's also my Fear is that everyone in the audience is never gonna watch us again when that stuff happens. But hopefully, no, they can't get enough of okay. Because for me, it would be too overstimulated. I'd be like, I'm out for the day.

[Sam Cedar]

What we really needed, though, was like, a flashing light, and every time his beep went off, the light would go on. All right, we're going to take a quick break, and we're going to welcome in studio, Rim Brown, who's going to be here in studio with us. Short for right back.

[Brian]

Rim. What's Rim short for? Nothing.

[Sam Cedar]

Wow. All right.

[Emma Vigeland]

See you in a second.

[Brian]

Just stop it. Thank you.

[Sam Cedar]

Sam Sa. We are back. Sam Cedar, Emma Vigland on the Majority Report. It is a pleasure to welcome in studio RM Brown from the RM Brown show. Is that what you call your show? Yep.

[RM Brown]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

We will need.

[Brian]

Do you know how microphone. Do you know how microphones work?

[RM Brown]

I got to get it. Ral. That was my fault.

[Sam Cedar]

That was my fault.

[Emma Vigeland]

Now he's on.

[RM Brown]

Yeah. Come on, Matt.

[Sam Cedar]

A little bit loud.

[RM Brown]

Am I loud? Can we bring me down a little?

[Sam Cedar]

We're not used to having someone who can project on the show.

[Brian]

How you doing?

[Sam Cedar]

Genuine professional in studio. Aaron Brown, tell us about the channel that you have.

[RM Brown]

I do a channel on YouTube. They let me on there. It's pretty high bar to get on there. I went through all the process.

[Sam Cedar]

Huh.

[RM Brown]

So now I'm. I'm registered. I'm. It's all. I'm legally on there, and I go on there, I say stuff, and that's.

[Sam Cedar]

That's.

[RM Brown]

I think that's a really.

[Sam Cedar]

And are you a partner?

[RM Brown]

I'm a partner.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay. I got it.

[RM Brown]

I got in. I got in the partner program. It's a big deal. My mom called me the day that I got it. She's like, like, you did it.

[Brian]

This is what we've always wanted for you.

[Sam Cedar]

Did your mom work at YouTube?

[RM Brown]

She worked.

[Sam Cedar]

She the one who was the one.

[RM Brown]

Which is a conflict of interest a little bit. And I got that partnership. People were, like, calling me out about. I was like, it's not like they call me Nepo, baby. Have you heard that?

[Sam Cedar]

Of course. Of course. What is that?

[RM Brown]

That's when your mom works at YouTube and you get a partner. You get into the partner program lickety split. And I've been fighting that ever since.

[Sam Cedar]

My. My kids say that they're Nepo babies, and I'm like, you haven't done anything. Yeah, yeah. She's like, I'm a Nepo. Baby. And I'm like, nip, you're just a student. Like, what?

[Brian]

Right? She's not in media.

[Sam Cedar]

Like, you haven't gotten a job yet. You're not like, you need to get a job. That's.

[RM Brown]

The kids have done something. Because I don't want to reveal too much, but was wandering around the studio and there's a lot of kid art around here, and I love the kid art.

[Sam Cedar]

Over the years, I have accumulated a lot of art from my kids.

[Brian]

I mean, it's basically worthless if you were to sell it.

[Sam Cedar]

But.

[RM Brown]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Sam Cedar]

I mean, it is, but nobody sells their kids art.

[RM Brown]

You know what I love about it? I'm saying this has to be a younger one. There's one on the wall over there. And I love younger kid art because it's kind of scary. It's a little bit like when they draw face.

[Emma Vigeland]

Well, it's a horror movie. Horror movie standby. Every horror movie has kids drawing sort of the monster in the first third of the movie.

[RM Brown]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's something ominous and terrifying about kid art.

[Sam Cedar]

My kid. I mean, my kids are all, like, older than. Than what this art would suggest By. By many years at this point. But they both went through that phase which I spent almost like, I think 10 or 15 years in, in drawing situations. Like where someone falls in a manhole into a sewer that is full of shards of glass and steel.

[RM Brown]

Right, right. And you look at that, you're like, oh, boy, this is scary. Is this some kind of, like, prophecy or something? A little.

[Brian]

I have a core memory of doodling and drawing, like, faces and doing it in fourth grade. And my fourth grade teacher saying, why do all these guys have big noses? Like, they're the villains? She said, you know, you might be a little worried that this looks like anti Semitic art. And in hindsight, it really did.

[Sam Cedar]

Who are your inspirations?

[Brian]

I think it was, like, witches or something.

[Emma Vigeland]

Easy to draw noses.

[Brian]

Drawing witches. Right.

[Sam Cedar]

And.

[Brian]

But it did look like you were.

[RM Brown]

Looking at a lot of propaganda cartoons from the 1920s, and you were, like, very inspired by that.

[Brian]

Everyone has their interests, you know, so let's talk.

[Sam Cedar]

So you. You had a story that you were just walking around New York City yesterday.

[RM Brown]

This seems very on the nose, but I was just walking down a side. This is totally true. Walking down a sidewalk yesterday. And I was actually doing like a, you know, trying to do a story about this on my own channel. And I walked through, like, an ice raid where they. It's all unmarked cars. They're like, blocking off one of these, like, small streets, you know, and it's. Terry. It's terrifying. Like, that's the thing about the. That you know, when you actually see it in person, how, like, scary that is. I mean, they're. They're also. These guys seem like they don't know what they're doing. Like, they're. They're walking around with gun, like, rifles in the street. There's, like, families and kids walking around.

[Brian]

Jesus.

[RM Brown]

And they just have, like, vests on. They look like kids, you know? And. Yeah, I'm gonna say I don't know about you guys. I'm gonna make controversial statement. It seems kind of dangerous.

[Sam Cedar]

Let's. Let's play this clip from number three. This is in Hyattsville, Maryland, just on two days ago. ICE guys basically tackle this guy in the middle of the road and talk about sort of not being trained in a way. Like, they don't seem to know what the hell they're doing.

[Brian]

This was in Maryland. And the. The ICE officer pulls a gun and then drops it. And incidentally, a bunch of other people.

[Sam Cedar]

He'S pulling a gun while he's got the guy pinned on the ground. It's just crazy. Watch this. Just to tell people that is the guy that they have tackled on the ground. He's yelling help me or ayuta over and over again. The ICE guy has had the gun drawn while he's lying on top of the guy and then just put it back into his holster. I mean, it's. Go ahead. Not even his holster. In his belt. In his belt. Help me. Help me. Help me. Help me. Help me. Help me. Pause it for one second. I'm sorry. Neither one of these guys seems to have any idea what they're doing. They can't manage to cuff the guy. The idea that you would take your gun and shove it in your belt while you're wrestling with this guy seems to be just in terms of, like, training. I can't imagine.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah, that's not in the manual.

[Sam Cedar]

These guys seem to like, dangerous. They both seem like guys who. Well, well, I had, you know, I had the stalking and then I got the job recently. These guys feel like they've been on. On the job for like, three weeks.

[Emma Vigeland]

Small cop dropouts.

[Sam Cedar]

Yep. There's his gun falls out.

[Emma Vigeland]

There's a die for his gun.

[Sam Cedar]

And then he's glasses.

[Brian]

That he is pointing it at the crowd of protesters.

[Sam Cedar]

So not even protesters, just like, standby bystanders.

[Brian]

Okay. Yeah, right. Bystanders who are trying to videotape. Videotaping, bearing witness, whatever. This guy's screaming, help me. Help me. And he dropped. He mishandles his firearm again and then points it at a bunch of people.

[Emma Vigeland]

And his glasses are, like, hanging off his face as he points a gun at a crowd.

[Sam Cedar]

And you can hear people start yelling at him like, put your gun down. He starts to, like. He clearly realizes, like, I should not have my gun drawn pointing at the bystanders or anybody, but I'm too embarrassed to show that I'm actually listening to these. I mean, this is just such a.

[Brian]

He's.

[Sam Cedar]

Jesus. And then his partner has to draw his gun because he's like, wait, maybe this guy that we're talking. It's just unbelievable.

[Emma Vigeland]

$200,000 of taxpayer money to pay these guys to do this.

[Jeet Heer]

Put the gun down. Put the gun down.

[Sam Cedar]

We have it. You trying to. Put the gun down. You trying to kill me?

[Brian]

Put the gun down.

[Sam Cedar]

What's your name? What's your name? Get out of here. What's the name? You're not wanted here. We got you on camera. I mean, I. It's just unbelievable that these guys are just, like, wandering around our cities now doing this stuff.

[Brian]

There was a class action lawsuit in D.C. about these, you know, warrantless immigration arrest that was filed, I believe, yesterday. And there's this one excerpt that is just insane because they're rounding up people who are American citizens, too. Not that that should matter, of course, but for a plane close on Aug. 21, an unidentified federal agents arrested one of the plaintiffs without a warrant while he was getting in his truck to work. They did not ask him for his name or identification or his immigration status. He said he had papers, but they grabbed his arms and legs and called him illegal repeatedly. He responded that he has papers. In other words, immigration status. They replied, no, you don't. You are illegal. After the agent put Mr. Escobar Molina into a vehicle. He told them again he had papers. And the driver of the car yelled at him, shut up, bitch. You're illegal.

[Sam Cedar]

A couple of people are noticing that apparently the ICE guy dropped this clip at his ammo. Look at. Look at this guy. This is a guy. Same basic scene. This one is in Iowa City in a. In a market. And again, it's just like these dudes. It's absolutely no idea ID and, you know, good for. For people to just yell at these people and tell them that they're pieces of garbage. Hey, are you living? I can videotape. I'm a combat bat. No, I'm A combat bat. If are you, then where's this cop? Are you a cop? Are you ICE or a cop? Hey, are you ice or a cop? Hey, are you that bad? One one call. Yeah, please call 911. Hey, are you ice or a cop? You need to identify yourself. Hey, are you ICE or a cop? You could be. Are you? Are you? Hey, look at their face. Are you I a cop? Are you? I a cop? Now they got the guy. They got this hand and he's about to stun gun combat back. I got this on video. You won't even identify gentlemen. Who are you with? Who are you with?

[Brian]

Federal agents who Life or no?

[Sam Cedar]

Wow. You better not tase them. Call the cops. Pieces of. Look at their faces. Can't even identify themselves. Pieces of racist. Good for that guy who basically prevents, you know the out. I'm a combat vet after anti combat vet. What a. We're following you, you pieces of. Yeah, piece of the. Look at these racist little pieces of.

[Brian]

Hell. Yeah, he definitely. You're right, Sam. If though if he wasn't filming they would have.

[Emma Vigeland]

You don't charge that up unless you're gonna use it.

[Brian]

Oh my God.

[Emma Vigeland]

And shout out, that's Oliver. Or Posted by Oliver. Wheeling, Iowa City Councilor. Great to have representatives willing to stand up in these moments.

[Brian]

Well, also, I mean Brad Lander has. While we're here, Sam, we have number two, right?

[Sam Cedar]

Yes.

[Brian]

This is just. Brad Lander has been doing bearing Witness down at 26 Federal Plaza, which is like the immigration hearing courthouse. Here's another federal agent.

[Sam Cedar]

There's a clip actually before this.

[Brian]

Okay. It's at the top of the thread if we want.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah, yeah, it is. It's. It's. And this is coming from Tim Pool, apparently Sending. Now the amazing thing is is that this is from. This is Tim's reporter. Do you have it, Matt? I have it right here. That they obviously think that this is in some way. I don't know, makes them. Makes. Makes ICE look good. I mean their audience just.

[Jeet Heer]

He.

[Emma Vigeland]

Tim can't say whether or not he supports Mahmoud Khalil being deported or not. His audience loves this stuff.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

Here I put the link right here. And this is the moment where ICE is coming in and grabbing this father of two young kids. You can see them like shoving the kids aside, shoving the wife aside. And God knows what they're doing when they. When they pull them into the stairs because they put up. You know, they put up paper in to hide the window there. But watch this. This is disturbing stuff. Look at. They're pulling her hair. Look at, look at. Look at these cowards wearing the masks.

[Emma Vigeland]

Eric Adams, New York and Cuomos.

[Sam Cedar]

If he wins. Look at that. Look at that. See that? See that paper they put up on that screen? And then the wife is distraught. And apparently this is a perfect example of a guy who is fighting demons inside his own head. And instead of being able to like, come to grips with what his job is and what he is doing to families, he. He gets angry and he's mad at himself because he knows what he's doing is despicable and he takes it out on this woman. Watch this. Those are the kids, their daughter, son, her out of the building.

[Emma Vigeland]

Say adios before he does that.

[Brian]

As she's.

[Sam Cedar]

That guy just snaps.

[Brian]

She snaps, literally, because she's begging him because he was a part of the federal agents that just broke her family apart.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh, yeah, you can see he's the guy who is grabbing her hair in the first video. And these guys are just pigs. They're disgusting pigs. And honestly, there should be a. I hope somebody somewhere has a spreadsheet because all these people should be brought up on charges. If there's ever a moment where there's any type of justice in this country, track them.

[Emma Vigeland]

Like Nazis fleeing rat lines.

[Sam Cedar]

Exactly, exactly.

[RM Brown]

It was crazy, too. Well, when I walked through that, like, everybody had their phone up at least, you know, people were recording it. But it's like, yeah, it shut that, like the whole block that I was on, it just like shuts everything down, you know, like everybody. You can't. You know, when there's guys walking around with guns, you can't do anything.

[Brian]

Right.

[RM Brown]

You know, so.

[Brian]

And when, you know, Zoron hopefully wins in the. In November, he needs to make sure and. And look out for any collaborators within, like New York police forces that are going to try to go around the state here. Because there are a lot of fascists who enjoy this kind of thing and they have to be dealt with accordingly because this is going to be a legitimate states rights issue in standing up to the Gestapo who are about to have a. Their budget tripled. Tripled. And the detention budget is like something like 300% increase or I'm maybe forgetting the exact percentage off the top of my head.

[Sam Cedar]

They're going to have to. I'm going to get the contract. I'm going to do all of those, look through it. And I decided who's the best people to get a contract.

[Brian]

Thank you. Thank you, Tom. I didn't make out the more than 10% of what you just said, but I feel safer already.

[Sam Cedar]

Do you only got. You only get 5%? Unless I get $50,000. $50,000 make more sense than that. 25% for every $10,000.

[Brian]

So much saliva in your impression.

[Sam Cedar]

It's true. I'm. That is one thing that I've checked on. I'm actually. I'm actually 99.9.9% saliva.

[Brian]

This is also a very easy impression. Can double as trump when his dentures are out, when he's making those calls from the toilet.

[Sam Cedar]

That's true. Rm. I. I heard that you brought some clips. Is that true? You know, you're well known for clipping things.

[RM Brown]

Yeah, yeah, I clip a lot of things. And, yeah, that's. That's kind of my. That's my, you know, professional expertise I'm bringing to the show today.

[Sam Cedar]

Right.

[Emma Vigeland]

RM looks at the feed and then finds its pulse.

[RM Brown]

Exactly.

[Sam Cedar]

You are like a professional zeitgeist. Measurer. Right? Is that it?

[RM Brown]

And not a taste maker, but maybe like a taste examiner.

[Sam Cedar]

Observer. Observer aggregator. Isolator. It's like you don't. You don't make the water under the ground, but you carry the divining rust distills it.

[RM Brown]

Finally, somebody. I didn't say it. Yeah, you said it. Okay. Thank you.

[Sam Cedar]

These are.

[RM Brown]

These are very topical.

[Sam Cedar]

So what is this? Do you need to set it up or do we just.

[RM Brown]

I'm gonna be totally honest. I don't remember. I don't know. I don't remember. But let's check this. Oh, yeah, this is. So I've been. I kind of have been really. My area of research lately has been sort of like Jesus on tick tock.

[Brian]

Is that Laura Loomer?

[RM Brown]

Aig? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

And do you speak. Is that Portuguese? Portuguese?

[RM Brown]

I. I believe so.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay. Yeah. Okay.

[RM Brown]

I believe so.

[Sam Cedar]

All right, Well, I hope it doesn't say anything that is problematic. Yeah.

[RM Brown]

If you're. If you speak Portuguese, put, you know, maybe put in the chat.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay, so what should we do? Just run this, I guess.

[RM Brown]

Just run that.

[Sam Cedar]

Do you want to pop up? Okay. And this is a. An image of, like, an AI generated.

[Emma Vigeland]

Nun from that horror movie.

[Sam Cedar]

Here.

[Emma Vigeland]

See what happens with her. I'm gonna mute the music because it's gonna.

[RM Brown]

Oh, yeah, that could get.

[Emma Vigeland]

But it's Jesus starting going up to the nun Chucky, and sort of telling them it's all gonna be.

[RM Brown]

It's all gonna be okay. Because these are. I don't know if you guys know about this. These are notoriously evil characters.

[Emma Vigeland]

Exorcist. Girl. Her head goes the right way around.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh, here's the it.

[RM Brown]

That's the it clown.

[Sam Cedar]

So.

[Emma Vigeland]

So it's Jesus giving a hug to.

[RM Brown]

Sort of like, Jesus has been doing a lot of stuff on Tick Tock that I don't know.

[Brian]

Oh, my God.

[RM Brown]

Yeah, there's. There's the Shining, and that's.

[Sam Cedar]

Is that Freddy Krueger or.

[RM Brown]

Okay, I don't know who that guy. I'm gonna be honest. That. That might be.

[Emma Vigeland]

It looks like originally it's Freddy Krueger, and then the. The AI turn turns the mask into.

[RM Brown]

Okay, yeah, that's Jason.

[Emma Vigeland]

It's Jason.

[RM Brown]

Right, sorry. And then what? That, I guess the mask goes away.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay.

[Emma Vigeland]

The AI has sort of mask removal technology.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh, wow.

[Brian]

And then it's a. It's a human being underneath that.

[RM Brown]

I kind of. I kind of found this because, like, people were sending me. They were like. Immediately this was happening with, like, Charlie, Kurt stuff. And I hope they don't do this Jigsaw. I mean, I think those guys, when she. Jesus came, they realized what I was doing. All.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

Times was wrong.

[Brian]

Right.

[RM Brown]

Like, Jigsaw. What did Jigsaw.

[Emma Vigeland]

It shows that everyone can be sort of redeemed.

[RM Brown]

Right, Exactly. And sometimes Jigsaw did some bad stuff.

[Sam Cedar]

Right.

[Brian]

And if you're not actually mass murdering people, you're kind of in a better stance with Jesus than the other people in the video.

[RM Brown]

Exactly.

[Sam Cedar]

And sometimes all you need is a hug.

[RM Brown]

Yeah, exactly.

[Sam Cedar]

Right.

[Emma Vigeland]

Anybody try to hug any of those.

[Sam Cedar]

Guys at any point?

[RM Brown]

And I watched a lot of the Friday the 13th movies. I don't remember a lot of hugs. You know, and maybe we could have.

[Sam Cedar]

Did anybody ever try and hug any of those? Like, Chucky or any of that.

[Brian]

No, Netanyahu.

[RM Brown]

Chucky. You know, in Chucky's defense, he did have a knife a lot of the time, so it's hard to go in for a hug. You got to go behind. You go behind.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah.

[Emma Vigeland]

I would also just point out Emma mentioned Netanyahu. All of those people have a lower body count than Netanyahu alone. So.

[RM Brown]

Yes, totally.

[Sam Cedar]

That's true. Totally.

[Brian]

But it is a little concerning to me how much, like, I. I've started, like, joke sending my friends AI slop on. On Instagram, and now it's actually populating my feed and.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah, not gonna want to do that.

[Brian]

There are people, like, I'm not gonna name names, but there are people that I know that are in on the Boomer side of things that have sent me. Not you. Okay. That have sent Me, Things like that. But I'm like, how do you not know that this. Like, it's actually kind of impacting their. Their brain?

[RM Brown]

Has Sam sent you? Brain? Emma, this is serious.

[Sam Cedar]

I can't believe Tim Walls is doing this.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

I can't believe Tim Walls is dancing down this escalator like this. Why would he.

[RM Brown]

I was shocked by that. I was. When I was on Rogan the last time we did an hour on that.

[Sam Cedar]

Exactly.

[RM Brown]

That was Right.

[Sam Cedar]

Do you have any other clips, or should we go to this clip?

[RM Brown]

I think I gotta. Oh, let's go to this one. Because the other one I sent is.

[Emma Vigeland]

This is sort of related to the ice stuff. This is related to the ice stuff, Sam, about why they wear masks.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay. Yeah, this is. This is Dave Rubin explaining the need for masks for ice thugs.

[RM Brown]

He's still around, huh?

[Sam Cedar]

Dave Rubin is still around.

[RM Brown]

In a way. Good for him.

[Emma Vigeland]

He's a bit of an emeritus YouTuber. He only does, like, sort of of the intro and outro segments and then just somebody else's content.

[RM Brown]

Then he just tacks on Chucky getting.

[Emma Vigeland]

Hugged by Jesus or Ben Shapiro, you know, on Bill Maher.

[Sam Cedar]

He's got twins. I. You know, I do. I do have some sympathies. The twins. He's got a. You know, can we wrap this up in 15 minutes, what he's saying? And then he does it. But here he's done some deep thinking about the implications of having federal sort of quasi. They're not really police, right? Because they're really federal bounty hunters, essentially, and, you know, sort of a militia, because. And here he is explaining why they need to wear masks.

[Dave Rubin]

But the other part of all of this is the mask part, because the ICE officers, the way the Democrats are framing it is there are these masked guys who look like Cobra soldiers out there, and they're taking orders from Cobra Commander and Destro and Dr. Mindbender and.

[RM Brown]

Firefly going into GI Joe stuff.

[Emma Vigeland]

Is that how we're thinking about it, guys? Like a GI Joe episode?

[Brian]

Infamously, Tim Pool is a fan looking through politics in this particular lens of, you know, Marvel or other kinds of movies. We do not think this way.

[Sam Cedar]

I listen, you know, dropping in a reference to explain things. But the idea that we. I don't even know who those guys are, but the guy. The idea that we think like the Joker or the Penguin is sending out. No, actually, the biggest problem is that it's not the Joker and not the Penguin sending out these masked thugs. It's our government. That's the biggest Problem about it, I.

[Emma Vigeland]

Don'T look at Japanese internment thinking it was like the Master, I don't know, whoever, right.

[Sam Cedar]

If it was some type of evil Dr. DeSarro or whatever it is, then we'd be like, okay, we need to have the. The police force deal with the evil Dr. Desaro who's sending out these mass thugs. But no, the problem is it is our government that is sending out these mask thugs. That's exactly the opposite of what he thinks it is, but go ahead.

[Dave Rubin]

But the other part of all of this is the mask part, because the ICE officers, the way the democrats are framing it is there are these masked guys who are look like Cobra soldiers out there and they're taking orders from Cobra Commander and Destro and Dr. Mindbender and Firefly and I can probably think of a couple others. I'll work on it. When we play the clip and they're taking orders from them and they're just running around in their masked. Because they're evil people. No, they are wearing masks because you lunatics keep going on television telling everyone that they're evil and they are concerned about their family. I don't know if you ever heard of Spider man or any other superhero, but why did superheroes. You know, when I was flying back from Charlie's funeral, I actually watched Avengers Endgame because I was like, I have to just not. I'd have to be able to not think for a little bit.

[Sam Cedar]

Hold on. Can we just take a moment and just acknowledge how insane that segue, that like one sort of tangent. Incidentally, I went to Charlie's funeral and we seem to have exhausted our entire ability on our YouTube channel to play clips of that and monetize it. So let me see if I can do it a secondary way. And. And just, you know, and I'm flying back. And of course I watched a bunch of movies and I saw the Avengers and that was. Oh, anyways, what was I saying?

[Dave Rubin]

Spider Man, God or any other superhero. But why did superheroes. You know, when I was flying back from Charlie's funeral, I actually watched Avengers Endgame because I was like, I have to just not. I'd have to be able to not think for a little bit. And Endgame's pretty good. Those last two, Infinity War and End Game are pretty good. But why do superheroes wear masks? You know why superheroes wear masks? And they always point it out. All the movies, they don't wear the masks for those themselves. They wear the masks to protect their family. Spider man wore the mask, not because he was afraid that Green Goblin was coming to get him. Green Goblin was coming to get him. Either way, he didn't want Green Goblin to rape Auntie M. Oh, Auntie M. Right. That was Auntie M. She was anti M. Right.

[Brian]

Can you. Are you kidding me right now? You just threw a rape Auntie M thing in there. In what scenario are we seeing like, oh, in Avengers, endgame is the rape thing.

[RM Brown]

Right, right.

[Brian]

God, Every one of those violence against women thing in there just to get the people going and remind people that even though you're a gay guy, you still hate women just like the rest of your audience.

[RM Brown]

You know, he does have a big problem here, though, with Clark Kent and Superman.

[Sam Cedar]

That's true.

[Brian]

Maybe the ICE agent just needs.

[Sam Cedar]

Well, he doesn't wear a mask.

[Emma Vigeland]

Well, he took his glasses off. It's the same thing.

[Sam Cedar]

So. So the idea is that they're just trying to protect their family and so necessarily, they're superheroes.

[RM Brown]

Right.

[Sam Cedar]

It is so hard to go through history or at any other time and find examples of anything other than fictional. Fictional superheroes who wear masks to protect their family. Matt, do you have those clips from the slack? The. Those other two that are right behind it? Sorry. Okay, go to where that clip was. I put two in there right after it as examples of this. Okay. Play the first one first. Here is an example of some superheroes who are wearing masks because of course, they're afraid of having their aunt sexually assaulted. Here it is, right there. Yes, this is in Ohio. And these. Go ahead. Right here. Good. Oh, do you Wave audio attic. Increase in similar incidents nationwide. Here's ABC's Rena Roy. Tonight, an Ohio community on edge after this group, masked and dressed in black, marched through the streets of Columbus Saturday carrying firearms and flags with swastikas. There's legitimate. Huh? Okay. Now you understand why these swastika carrying gentlemen? Because they're all family men and they're very afraid about their family. And of course, they're superheroes.

[RM Brown]

I think also they're so proud of what they're doing that they want to be a little humble.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[RM Brown]

You know, Right. It's not about me. It's sort of. It's not about me kind of thing.

[Emma Vigeland]

Not me.

[RM Brown]

Yeah, exactly.

[Sam Cedar]

Now, well, listen, of course, many of these movies, the Avengers and Spider man, this all takes place contemporaneously or well into the future. But, you know, we have a rich past of heroes in this country wearing masks as well. These guys are not fictional characters. They're actually real. Let's play this. Oh, see that he is. But he's masked. He is directing traffic. Oh, and look at. There's the family. There's a little kid with a mask. They're all there. Oh, there's some handbags. They don't want to be sexually assaulted. And so that is why all of them. There are a masked. Just another example of. Of heroes wearing masks.

[Brian]

How he's not really. I would say Dave, probably a pretty good. Big superhero fan, because there's a lot of villains that wear masks. Like just looking at Dr. Doom famous.

[Emma Vigeland]

They're also worried about their family being.

[Brian]

Raped, but would have been forgiven by Jesus. Scarecrow was really worried about the women in his life being raped.

[Sam Cedar]

And one wonders why other police officers or fire. Why aren't firemen wearing masks?

[RM Brown]

Right.

[Sam Cedar]

I mean, yes, they do it inside the fiery buildings, but they take them off when they come outside where people could find out who they are and their family. Or is it perhaps that what they're doing is so reprehensible that they are in fact, not superheroes, they are in fact villains. And so they wear masks because they want to shield themselves from any type of accountability for the way that they're working.

[Brian]

Also, you know, there was actually a reason to wear a mask for a. I wouldn't say heroic, but for a kind reason that occurred over the past few years in the once in a lifetime, hopefully, pandemic that we live through, which Dave Rubin was extremely against. So the mask wearing, disappearing.

[Sam Cedar]

Where.

[Brian]

Where are we on the map of consciousness and now different. Oh, okay.

[Sam Cedar]

But fair enough. Yeah. So these. If you see any of these chin diaper wearing guys.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

Out there.

[Brian]

Right.

[Sam Cedar]

Make sure that you.

[RM Brown]

Beta. Very beta.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah. I think, you know, calling them beta in chin diapers. Do they have. Maybe ask them, like, does your diet. Does your chin have diarrhea? Yeah. Why do you need to wear a chin diaper?

[RM Brown]

That's a burn. That's a burn they won't recover from.

[Sam Cedar]

Exactly.

[Emma Vigeland]

Remember the Superman movie where he, like, was like kicking his gun all over the sidewalk and he's trying to detain the guy.

[Jeet Heer]

Superman.

[RM Brown]

That was his Keystone Cops era when he was fumbling around.

[Brian]

This is before they've gotten their powers back. Right.

[Emma Vigeland]

Superman's accidentally like.

[Brian]

Yes. They don't have their full powers yet. AKA the billions and billions of dollars of funding from the federal government to fund our Gestapo, which apparently is hate speech. I'm sorry, I shouldn't actually say that. JD Van says as much.

[Sam Cedar]

Did you just come with one clip?

[RM Brown]

The other ones are so they're stupid to the point of. I think they will. I think they will slow.

[Emma Vigeland]

I mean, this was pre. Previously covered on R.M. brown's program. I believe this was. Maybe I got it somewhere else.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay. Is this another example of this? Okay, so walk us through this.

[RM Brown]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

I watched PBD have a wonderful conversation with Nick Fuentes about how, you know, Jews control everything. Right.

[Brian]

And.

[Sam Cedar]

And, you know, pd PBD was. Was good hard enough to say. Like, I would love to be able to control everything too. So I'm not going to blame them. It was, it was a. It was. It was finally, you know, it was nice to see a calm, rational conversation talking about the different nuances of anti Semitism.

[RM Brown]

Half of that interview too. He's like, hey, look, you're a smart guy. You're so smart. You're so well spoken. Let's just cool it on the races stuff.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah.

[RM Brown]

Like, it's like, that's kind of my whole bit. So what do I. If I don't have that?

[Emma Vigeland]

You're a great communicator, but you're communicating all this racism.

[RM Brown]

Also. Like, is he that. I mean, you know, is he that great of a communicator? You can speak on camera. You know, I.

[Sam Cedar]

It's. I think. I think the point that it's irrelevant and that his fundamental core brand proposition is racism and anti Semitism.

[RM Brown]

Yes.

[Sam Cedar]

You know, arguably homophobia, but it's not. It's not clear. He seems very confused about that. I think at one point, Nick Fuentes said that it was very gay to have sex with women. Right. Which is. And God forbid he would not want to be gay. And so he apparently is or claims to be asexual, of course. Anyways, so here is pbd and what's he doing? What's he doing here?

[Emma Vigeland]

So this is them last week, after Candace Owens makes this threat to TP usa saying, if it goes in the direction that I don't approve of, I will go scorched earth. And this is.

[RM Brown]

She goes scorched earth a lot.

[Sam Cedar]

She does.

[Emma Vigeland]

She's kind of always scorched.

[Sam Cedar]

Get a little closer there.

[RM Brown]

I think that's her made Earth approach.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah.

[Emma Vigeland]

And yeah, this is them. They'll eventually go back to our favorite the map of consciousness.

[RM Brown]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

The anatomy of you. I don't. There will.

[Candace Owens]

There will be nothing that can stop me.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay.

[Brian]

And I want you guys to say, this is not a threat.

[Sam Cedar]

This is a promise. There will be. Hold on. Nothing. I got to ask this question. I'm sorry. Who is she talking to? Why is the camera six inches, like, to her left? Like. Like, is she.

[Brian]

They switch shots sometimes. I think she's talking to.

[Emma Vigeland]

This is the two shot Sam hates.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah.

[RM Brown]

That's like a very 90s thing.

[Sam Cedar]

Right? It's horrible. But at least the 90s thing, they'll go clock, like closer to like 90 degrees. This is really just like 8 degrees off of. You know, we should.

[RM Brown]

We should reach out. They should go full 90s where it's black and white.

[Sam Cedar]

I think what we should all do is just. We should all talk like this as if there's someone else in the studio that we're talking to. And listen, I appreciate you coming in and shooting this, but we've got another show over here that we're doing. This is the official camera.

[Emma Vigeland]

You can over here.

[Sam Cedar]

Exactly. Make sure you get close to your mic. Okay?

[RM Brown]

Okay.

[Sam Cedar]

Sorry. Okay.

[Brian]

And I want you guys to say.

[Sam Cedar]

This is not a threat.

[Brian]

This is a promise.

[Sam Cedar]

There will be nothing that can stop me. I will release every single text message. So to do those of you who are trying that I'm seeing the messages.

[Candace Owens]

I am telling you to back off right now. Like, right now.

[Sam Cedar]

Don't do it.

[Candace Owens]

Okay?

[Sam Cedar]

Don't you think about it.

[Candace Owens]

I know exactly who you are.

[Sam Cedar]

I know exactly who you were that were exerting pressure.

[Candace Owens]

Don't you pretend to be noble now and say nice things about Charlie Kirk and think you're going to slide into his chair.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay?

[Candace Owens]

Over my dead body. Which I'm sure can be arranged.

[Sam Cedar]

Whoa.

[RM Brown]

Okay.

[Sam Cedar]

Well, what do you think? What do you think she's saying? You think she thought the Shapiro.

[Emma Vigeland]

Okay, so we're gonna skip a little bit ahead now.

[Sam Cedar]

Who is. Who's on there?

[Emma Vigeland]

Bowling is there.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh, Eric. Bowling.

[Emma Vigeland]

So to bring the mood down a little bit. But here they are. They'll go. This is where they get into the map of consciousness.

[Sam Cedar]

I gotta say, this is amazing because there's like four guys who look like. Like just at different times during the day. The same guy. Just at different times during the day.

[Emma Vigeland]

Different levels of.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah, she's used all her bullets, so to speak. But I'm trying to see what you're saying.

[Jeet Heer]

What's your point here?

[Dave Rubin]

Like, tell me what you're saying.

[RM Brown]

She is angry and venomous right now.

[Jeet Heer]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

And that is not a person that you want to mess with. She's capable and she's filled with rage. That's all I'm saying. Do you think on the power versus force chart. Yeah, I'd love to see What Pat thinks about this. Rob, if you could pull that up. Power versus force. Please show me where you think Candace is operating on Vinny. What do you think? Power versus force.

[Jeet Heer]

What do you think?

[RM Brown]

She's at it.

[Jeet Heer]

We just did this at the vault.

[Sam Cedar]

If I had to wear.

[Dave Rubin]

Go to serious level.

[Sam Cedar]

Right. What is going on here? Like, how much money do they get every time they show this? This is just the most. Most bizarre.

[Emma Vigeland]

And they get it from the same.

[Sam Cedar]

Place I do, which is Google map of consciousness. What is it? It's.

[Emma Vigeland]

Well, this is where I get. I just Google image map of consciousness and then see what comes they.

[Sam Cedar]

There is. I. I would bet everything I own that they use this map of consciousness as a tool in what? You know what PBD's business is? His main business is business consulting.

[RM Brown]

Consulting.

[Sam Cedar]

And he has like 40 guys working for him, maybe more in a building that's right across, like, it's on, like, this airstrip and like, right across it. Working in this building doing this. And I am convinced they must use this map of consciousness as a business consultant thing. And they do this as a way of, like, giving it legitimacy.

[Brian]

I could could see that. I could also just see them being so emotionally stunted that this is the only way they know how to categorize.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah, you may be right. Matt, could you go. Could you. Why don't you pull up the. The majority report trucker hats, and let's take a look at that and see if that gives us some answers to what we're looking for. Because that is one of the ways that we can divine. Right. What's going on is by looking at. At a majority report trucker's hat is available in two different colors.

[RM Brown]

I'm feeling kind of keychainy right now. I don't know if that's no keychain.

[Sam Cedar]

Pull up the majority report merch store and we will figure out what's going on here.

[Brian]

We should sell mood rings that tell people which part of the map of consciousness they're on.

[Sam Cedar]

Perfect. She's angry. She's in anger.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[RM Brown]

It always ends up every angry, which.

[Sam Cedar]

A lot of people are. She's below the.

[Jeet Heer]

The.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah. What do you call. This is not a bad thing. That's just. Guess what? I fluctuated all over this damn thing. But. But I think Adam. Because you know what she's talking about. If it is Ben Shapiro, that's.

[Jeet Heer]

You think that's not a bad thing.

[Sam Cedar]

No, I. I didn't say it's a good or a bad thing. I just said where she's at. It's not a bad thing, you think I'm saying?

[RM Brown]

So you think this is kind of like, maybe. The thing I like about PVD is that these are all also, like, sales tricks. Like, it's like, oh, I got this thing from an ebook that if I want to, like, keep somebody on the phone for an extra 30 minutes, I go to the map of consciousness, and we have something to talk about, you know?

[Brian]

Right.

[RM Brown]

That's like, the funny thing about his show is it's supposed to be a politics show, but it's really like a sales. Sales show.

[Emma Vigeland]

And it's also like, yeah, like, get out of any sort of realm where you might turn off the mark that you're trying to, like.

[RM Brown]

Yes.

[Emma Vigeland]

Change their mind on.

[RM Brown]

And they're going down. They're losing. I'm losing them.

[Sam Cedar]

They subject.

[RM Brown]

Map of consciousness.

[Emma Vigeland]

They subject Vinnie to it.

[Jeet Heer]

Like, it's like, we're gonna go to.

[Emma Vigeland]

The map of conscious. Vinnie, tell us what you think about that. Because Vinny's, like, been the one guy who's like, I'm so not. I'm kind of upset about Netanyahu and all this stuff. So I was like, well, Vinnie, are.

[Sam Cedar]

You sure you come back from a good smack time? How much is involved in your ego in that?

[Brian]

I mean, favorite thing is that they couldn't tell that she was angry just from listening to her.

[Sam Cedar]

Right.

[Brian]

We've got to pull up the map of consciousness to read the whole map.

[Sam Cedar]

Of consciousness, and all they come up with is angry.

[Brian]

Yes. So insightful.

[RM Brown]

That's kind of every time. Because they're watching a clip where somebody's, you know, like, getting mad about something. They're like, map of consciousness time. Angry, Angry.

[Brian]

And that makes you. You less conscious.

[RM Brown]

Should we do that? Should we score ourselves on the map of conscious consciousness?

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah, we can. We can measure. Let's go through this and we'll. We'll all see where we are on the map of consciousness as we listen to this.

[RM Brown]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

Let's see.

[RM Brown]

Kind of apathy right now.

[Brian]

Okay.

[RM Brown]

I would say apathy.

[Brian]

Apathy. Which neutrality are we on? Emotion.

[RM Brown]

I'm a little mad that I don't get my own second. I gotta be crammed next to Emma.

[Brian]

I know.

[RM Brown]

Let me go.

[Sam Cedar]

I gotta.

[RM Brown]

Would be tragic.

[Brian]

Oh, you're. It's tragic to sit next to me.

[RM Brown]

Yeah, it is.

[Brian]

Well, now I'm in the anger portion of emotion.

[RM Brown]

Okay. So that's how they enter. They kind of interact.

[Sam Cedar]

They don't. You think that you're in Vindictive right now. And the problem is you're in the red. It's a force. Yep. And it is. You are. You're. You're in force. Yeah. And that's a. You know, you're in the red zone. That's very difficult. Really what you want to get up to is somewhere like Joy, Bliss, but serenity fact.

[Brian]

Honestly, there shouldn't. This map is too expansive for me. They really just need to cut out all of the other elements. God, view, life view, level, maybe keep scale and definitely keep emotion. But I have no process. So for women, it's just scale and emotion.

[Emma Vigeland]

My process is I'm. I'm a. I'm at level 5. 40. I'm. My process is transfiguration. My emotion is serenity.

[RM Brown]

You do read that? Yeah. You give transfiguration.

[Emma Vigeland]

My life view is complete. Yeah, pretty much.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh, you believe in one God, Why is it so tough? I don't see.

[Brian]

Why is it so top heavy with the scale? It's going in these intervals. And then you can be like at this incredible scale of pure consciousness at the very top, from seven, it's like a video game.

[Emma Vigeland]

It takes more XP to level up.

[Sam Cedar]

The higher.

[RM Brown]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian]

I was hoping they would use SAT scoring.

[RM Brown]

Are there purchasables on the thing? Can I just.

[Emma Vigeland]

In app purchases?

[RM Brown]

Yeah, in app purchases. I just want to buy bliss.

[Sam Cedar]

And where's the part about being in the bathroom for 20 minutes? I can't find that one on there. All right, go ahead. What she's talking about, if it is Ben Shapiro, that's. You think that's not a bad thing? No, I. I didn't say it's a good or a bad thing. I just said where she's at. It's not a bad thing. You think I'm saying?

[Jeet Heer]

So you think at a time like this, it's good to be there?

[Sam Cedar]

I do. Tell me why I think we need to be there.

[Jeet Heer]

Tell me why.

[Sam Cedar]

Because the left will tell you. Let's. Let's. Let's go back to unity. Let's tone things down. Yeah, sure. Because you didn't just have one of your biggest, most influential human beings on your side assassinated in cold blood. It's not time to take the tone down. I disagree with you.

[Emma Vigeland]

I'm not.

[Sam Cedar]

I'm not.

[Emma Vigeland]

Eric's on the wrong part of the map of consciousness.

[RM Brown]

It looks like he's red zoning right now. Totally red zone 50 max.

[Brian]

What's interesting, though, about this slightly, is that. What's the guy's name on the left. That's not Vinny. He's the big, big pro Israel defender.

[Emma Vigeland]

He's the one who threw a tampon at Anna Gasparia because he brought up Israel.

[Brian]

Nice new friends she's got over there. It's interesting because Candace Owens was going after Bill Ackman in that, in that monologue, Right. So what she's alluding to and the accusation is that there is a war for the future of TP usa. Erica Kirk, I would imagine is some sort of figurehead, but they're wondering which part. I don't mean to besmirch, you know, the former Trump model or whatever, but they are trying to see which direction or all this. Is all this, you know, money, this infrastructure going to go? Is it going to go with, sorry, Ben Shapiro, who has basically said, I'm making daily wire a $1 million donation to TPUSA.

[Emma Vigeland]

Oh, it might be bigger than that.

[Brian]

Isn't that what he said? And I'm like, isn't Daily Wire in dire financial straits?

[Sam Cedar]

Well, it's an investment.

[Brian]

So is it going to go in the bench appear zero mode of a. More like still establishment Republicans. It was a million. Yeah. Or is her his, Charlie Kirk's girly Candace Owens gonna take it over and have the anti Semitism slash anti Zionism takeover?

[Emma Vigeland]

And I'll just say since this happened, Candace Owens has been going and you've probably seen this even more, I guess scorched earth per. Or insane like peddling random conspiracy theories.

[RM Brown]

She's examining a lot of video footage.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah, for sure.

[RM Brown]

She's doing a lot of that, which.

[Emma Vigeland]

I thought like maybe she would take a little bit of time to get.

[RM Brown]

To, but I guess, well, you know that those clicks aren't getting themselves, you.

[Sam Cedar]

Know, I guess just in violence. And that's just to take the tone down. I'm not disagree with you. I'm not, I'm not suggesting violence. I'm not suggesting violence at all. When I'm saying stay pissed off, stay angry. I went. It looks like everybody else thinks I had a law. I lost a child in college, was.

[Brian]

Bowling, ousted for misconduct.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Still kicking though.

[Sam Cedar]

There's always a. There's a second life for these guys. Third life, fourth life.

[Brian]

But cancel culture.

[Sam Cedar]

Let's see. What should we.

[Brian]

Oh, I mean, seven is pretty great in my view.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay.

[Brian]

That's. Yeah. Our new friend Jennifer Welch, who was on on Tuesday, just.

[RM Brown]

Oh, I've seen her.

[Brian]

She's awesome.

[RM Brown]

She's funny.

[Brian]

She's great. She's funny. She's making me laugh. She's, I mean, got great politics and is conducting an interview in a much better way than you're going to see 99% of journalists, specifically on mainstream media. Because this is a compilation, I'd encourage people to check out the full interview because I think this is Aotic leftists on Twitter or whoever put this together. Cut out his. Or I guess it's on TikTok. Either way, cut out his responses because he's just filibustering. But listen to how many times.

[Sam Cedar]

Wait, and this is the lieutenant governor of where?

[Brian]

Of Georgia. He's running for governor in Georgia. He's a Republican and I guess he went on their show interestingly and she just completely hammers him or won't let up on a. Will you take AIPAC money?

[H]

Will you take APAC money or have you taken APAC money?

[Emma Vigeland]

I'm not certain if I've taken it or not.

[Sam Cedar]

I've run.

[Emma Vigeland]

I've been in an office 10 years. It doesn't jump out at me as I'm taking it. But I think the most important part.

[H]

Will you for this race?

[Emma Vigeland]

I have no idea. I haven't even thought about it.

[H]

Come on, Jeff. This is like there's a genocide going.

[Brian]

He was a Republican until like very, very recently this year. So I'm sorry for getting that wrong.

[Sam Cedar]

He's running for a Democratic. He's running for the Democratic nominee in. As governor. In.

[Brian]

Yes, yes. I stand corrected. That's why he's going on their show.

[Emma Vigeland]

I've been in an office 10 years. It doesn't jump out at me as I'm taking it. But I think the most important.

[H]

Will you for this race?

[Emma Vigeland]

I have no idea. I haven't even thought about it.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay.

[H]

Come on, Jeff. This is like there's a genocide going on right now. And I mean in even human rights. Israeli human rights groups see this. That the United States of America funding.

[Jeet Heer]

To see these kids starving and to.

[H]

Not know if you're going to be beholden to the Israeli lobby is to me is not something that should take time to think about. Because you started off this interview with us talking about your faith. Will you take APAC money in this. In this race?

[Emma Vigeland]

I have no idea. I haven't even thought about it.

[Sam Cedar]

Wow. Okay.

[H]

I want to take that moral clarity that you have right there and then ask you again, are you going to take money from apac? Because just there you talked about an AIPAC is what helped. They gave Trump over, I think 200, $300 million. Are you going to take money from A group that lobbies to deny that that's happening to those children.

[Emma Vigeland]

I'm not going to give you the shallow answer of saying yes or no.

[H]

Because you can have moral clarity to talk about the starvation, the famine and the genocide. Then it's a very easy jump to then just say across the, the board. You wouldn't believe how popular you'd be, Jeff. You just wouldn't believe how popular you'd be if you said, I am not taking money from apac.

[Sam Cedar]

We'll certainly continue to look at it.

[H]

But look, I hope that you do, Jeff. I wish you the best of luck. I hope that you can report back to us sometime soon that you've thought about these APAC donations and that you will not accept them and partner with them in this because I think that you will have so much more credibility. And how uncomfortable did I make you?

[Sam Cedar]

All right, you should bring up the.

[RM Brown]

Consciousness for him is obfuscation on there.

[Brian]

I mean his, his answers. We almost, it was like fully six minutes. We couldn't play the whole thing. But the way he dodges and tries to do the traditional politician thing, it was just phenomenal.

[RM Brown]

I look at it, I like that it's something I'll look at.

[Brian]

I'm looking at a shallow answer.

[Sam Cedar]

I'm looking at some of his fundraisers and the. I don't even know if AIPAC is on there and he may not know. But the value of this is because it signals to other candidates like this is toxic, this is radioactive. There's no point in me taking this money because it's going to be, it's going to cause me problems. It's the same thing that having Torres on Adam Friedland's show did, which is it ends up signifying to politicians because understand like they're just put their fingers up in the wind and on this kind of stuff. Although there's obviously a huge sort of like artificial, like a fan blowing in one direction.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

But when the fans, when the wind starts going the other direction is really helpful stuff because, you know, nobody's out there going like she's a, you know, some, you know, green haired.

[RM Brown]

Right, right, right.

[Sam Cedar]

No nose piercing, you know, college student who's doing this.

[RM Brown]

Yep.

[Brian]

It's.

[Sam Cedar]

It's literally like she was good. She's.

[RM Brown]

She's good at like not letting up either.

[Sam Cedar]

She.

[RM Brown]

I like the.

[Brian]

Oh yeah. I was trying to count the follow ups. It was like something like six or seven and she just, and, and then her co host would ask a question. Then she just kept coming back Being like, Jeff, you didn't answer my question. I mean, it's amazing. It really is. She's got a great BS detector. So not to suck up to Jennifer too much, but that's actually what independent.

[Emma Vigeland]

Media should be doing.

[RM Brown]

Is she in Georgia too?

[Sam Cedar]

No, moving to New York. She has that space where she can get people on there and they just don't expect what's coming.

[RM Brown]

Right?

[Brian]

Yep.

[RM Brown]

Might be the Southern accent. Maybe there's something like sweet about like be fine. Then she gets here.

[Emma Vigeland]

I think they see Oklahoma and they assume like Blue Dog or something like.

[Sam Cedar]

Right?

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah. Well, it's also kind of why Slot King went on Breaking Points, remember? Because she thought it was a conservative and a liberal and like that it would be a down the middle show. That was what it seemed to be the case and didn't realize. No, that's not what you're getting. With Crystal in particular.

[RM Brown]

That was great.

[Sam Cedar]

I guess we're doing a freebie Friday. Whoa. I can't believe. Can't believe we've given Wren Brown for free to everybody. That's. We're undercutting a huge business failure. Oh, let's. We could go. Do you ever go to concerts?

[RM Brown]

Very rarely.

[Sam Cedar]

Why?

[RM Brown]

Like, I don't know. I feel like I'm. I'm getting too old for it maybe.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh, really?

[RM Brown]

I don't like standing up that much. You know, it's a lot of standing up.

[Brian]

It is a lot of standing up.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah. They're a little expensive these days. Oh, they going to see live shows. But did you realize they're undervalued? Remember Live Nation? Ticketmaster was the subject of a lot of antitrust stuff and a lot of FTC stuff during the Biden administration. And you. There's a time to reap and there's a time to sow. And this guy is finding this is the time to sew. Here is the CEO of Live Nation, Ticketmaster with his perspective on ticket prices for you. Music is a better business though than selling tickets for sports, I assume.

[Emma Vigeland]

100%.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Emma Vigeland]

I mean, you know, I think, I think music has been under appreciated. You know, I always joke sports, it's like a badge of honor to spend 70 grand for a next courtside. They beat me up if we charge 800 for Beyonce.

[Sam Cedar]

Right.

[Emma Vigeland]

I'm, you know, so it's a real.

[Jeet Heer]

We're.

[Emma Vigeland]

It's a very under. We have a lot of Runway left.

[Sam Cedar]

Right.

[Emma Vigeland]

So when you read about the ticket prices going up, but still average concert price is $72. Try going to a Laker game for that. And there's 80 of them or whatever the hell.

[Sam Cedar]

So the.

[Emma Vigeland]

The concert is under underpriced. Has been for a long time.

[Brian]

Underpriced. Unbelievable.

[Sam Cedar]

Wow. They beat him up for $800 a ticket.

[Brian]

I mean, this is one of the most insane monopolistic practices in the country right now. And Lina Khan knew this. The they the United States, or I guess this was the Department of Justice. It was probably Jonathan Kanter.

[Sam Cedar]

Right.

[Brian]

Either way, the Biden administration sued Ticketmaster at the time because they do a few things. One, they own their own reseller, so they take a cut out of the initial sale and then get another cut on the back end when it's sold at an insane markup.

[RM Brown]

Seen that.

[Brian]

They also use this thing called dynamic pricing, which basically fluctuates based on demand and uses algorithms to make that determination. But the baseline is already so high because of their monopoly that they're just inflating upon an already insane amount of money that they're making.

[Sam Cedar]

And they've taken over. They've taken over almost every venue.

[Brian]

Yes, yes.

[Sam Cedar]

Venues that we have done shows at. Much less fun to engage with now that they are a live nation. I'm not going to say, you know, but.

[Brian]

But. But we saw.

[Sam Cedar]

Rings a bell.

[Brian]

You had that chart. And I actually think I saved it on my desktop for future reference. Like a little dork. Yeah. The consumer spending chart that we showed Sam on how for. It's basically the only top 20% of the country right now that is increasing its consumer spending. And the 80% below is at the consumer price index, meaning it's matching inflation. That's what tickets have become. That's what. Like concerts and shows. Like, what. The only way I get to shows is I asked for Christmas, I asked for StubHub gift cards, and I accumulate them and then try to get great seats. But otherwise, like, I mean, I was looking at these Lady Gaga tickets. There's no way I could go to that. Are you kidding me? Because of the dynamic pricing, the tick shows and sports events, especially in big, big cities like this, have unfortunately become luxury goods for the top 20%. And they. That's how, you know, also the ultra wealthy feel like they have a connection to culture and personality.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah.

[Brian]

You curated experiences.

[RM Brown]

I was thinking that I walked by, like, a tame Impala poster.

[Brian]

I've been listening to them a lot recently.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah. Yeah.

[RM Brown]

And I was like, okay, they're coming in December. And I was like, okay, let's see. I look it up. No, I'm not, I'm not going to.

[Brian]

Yeah, that. Right.

[RM Brown]

So yeah, that, that chart. That's what it's a bunch of.

[Brian]

Right.

[Sam Cedar]

This is where I brag that I'm a little more savvy because all of my favorite musicians are from the early 90s.

[RM Brown]

Fugazi. You're going to see Fugazi. Five dollars.

[Sam Cedar]

Exactly.

[RM Brown]

Not gonna raise that price ever.

[Sam Cedar]

Exactly.

[RM Brown]

Ian MacKay's 80 years old now.

[Sam Cedar]

Exactly. And the show is at 6:00pm And I'm back at home by, you know, 7, 7:38. And it works.

[RM Brown]

Do you remember any like 90s shows that didn't cost a lot of money that you got into? You were like that. Wow. That was the, that was the. That didn't cost or whatever back in the day. These, these like.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah.

[Emma Vigeland]

What prices were you seeing Husker do for?

[Brian]

No, Sam saw Nirvana, which makes me want to cry.

[Sam Cedar]

Like six bucks or something. I don't know. It was just like in a, in a club and there's an old Kurt.

[Brian]

Cobain talking about how he would never charge like more than $20 dollars for his.

[Sam Cedar]

It was like 15. It wasn't much and. But I, I. During the 80s and the night, half the 80s in the 90s, I would go to shows at the Centrum in Worcester is now named something different. But I saw like Bruce and Prince and it was all like. It was probably like, you know, if it was 35 bucks, I would have been like, whoa, but I'm going to splurge for this now. Of inflation. But that's still no.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

That'S not $800 in 1980, you know, in today's dollars.

[Brian]

And this was like over 10 years ago. But I saw Louis CK and Madison Square Garden, of course, you know, Louis different, Different time now. But what I loved about what he was doing then was he, I think banned resale. And my friend and I were able to. To see him, it would great. See it said msg for like 50 bucks each or something like that. But artists could make this, these decisions, but in part not to go down another wormhole. But these big artists are not. And not even big artists. Artists are not making money on sales of records anymore because streaming has destroyed the model. So artists are not. Are complicit in this. But they're also needing to make their money on tourism. And that's part of why they're not challenging the Ticketmaster monopoly in meaningful ways. So I guess it might be different for comedians or whatever or comedians that care. But for artists, the streaming model, Spotify has really hurt their business model. So they do it this way, and it rips off fans, and it makes it this elite experience that people can't bring their families to or whatever.

[Sam Cedar]

Scott eg and Cheeseburg on the IM says this is exactly what Eddie Vedder saw coming and tried fighting. Fighting inches early 90. I don't know what that means. Eddie said every time he got a commitment from an artist to join the fight, Ticketmaster would buy them out. Yeah, I'm not surprised by that.

[RM Brown]

There used to be a thing at south by Southwest to where it would be like, well, now it's like, you know, to get a badge to go see these, like, musicians is, like, prohibitively expensive. You can't do it. So there's like, this class tier where the badge holders are just, like, tech guys or whatever. And then. But some of the musicians will do something secretly at another venue. They'll like, arrange that, and then, like, normal people can go to that. And even that I don't think they are, like, able to do anymore. Yeah, so it's like this weird, like, tiered thing where, like, the badge holders are like, the.

[Sam Cedar]

I get a run to the back. Okay, you guys.

[Brian]

Oh, keep. How would I read some ions, huh?

[RM Brown]

We're taking over the show.

[Emma Vigeland]

I just make one point about that. Does he not know his business? Like, the. Why do people go pay that much money for sports games is because they're actors and want to appear on TV and also sport events. Like, even in Bismarck, the. The sort of Dakota Wizards, the minor league basketball team that I used to love. That's corporate. It's corporations to give gifts to the people who want to go to the games. That's not really something you do with concerts.

[Brian]

Oh, my gosh.

[RM Brown]

Right?

[Sam Cedar]

Right here.

[Emma Vigeland]

Go to the Beyonce concert.

[RM Brown]

That was that Coldplay guy who got caught cheating, right?

[Sam Cedar]

Well, yeah. You see that?

[Emma Vigeland]

They're not used to it yet. The sporting events are known like, hey, make sure those people are having an affair.

[Brian]

Clef low creflo half dollar cref.

[Emma Vigeland]

Who was creflo dollar Prosperity Gospel.

[Brian]

Okay, Right, right. Me and my friends got to see a pre famous Rihanna in 2007 at a $10 a ticket. Brookdale Community College. That's insane. What a great story.

[Emma Vigeland]

I mean, I saw all of these. I saw Muse for less than the $80 ticket that he saw. That was more expensive. It was the Target center show. That was probably like 60 bucks for the pit. Yeah, but, like, when I was seeing indie bands in, like, 2009, 2010, it was always like, 35 bucks for a concert venue in Minneapolis.

[RM Brown]

Yeah, I went to an LCD sound system thing like a couple months ago. I think I paid. I mean, I was like, this is a huge. Actually kind of a dent to go see this.

[Brian]

Ty Worm. Taylor Swift needs a couple more billion before she speaks out.

[Emma Vigeland]

She's already. Or her producer has spoken out already, actually, like Taylor Swift. I mean.

[Brian]

No, she has not spoken out. Taylor Swift has the worst dynamic pricing of every artist, or at least her price.

[Emma Vigeland]

Let me see what that headline was.

[RM Brown]

So is that literally.

[Brian]

She's actually the worst offender.

[RM Brown]

If you check in and then you come back, like, in an hour, it'll be like a different.

[Brian]

Yes, yes, yes. And I love Lady Gaga very much. But she's also has embraced dynamic pricing, which she and other. And other artists that are that rich should be leading the way.

[Emma Vigeland]

It was Antonine. That Right.

[Brian]

No longer her producer.

[Emma Vigeland]

Against it.

[Brian]

No longer her producer.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah, we're gonna start doing that for the member show on this thing too. We'll just see dynamic pricing. All right. Should we do one more? Yeah, we could do that. The Comey indictment, which I think probably we should. We should get to. What is the Megyn Kelly thing about Megan?

[RM Brown]

She's worried about witches.

[Emma Vigeland]

She's doubled back to the Etsy witches.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay, well, we got RM here, so let's do that. Because I know you spend a lot of time in the occult and witches. Oh, my God. He. She had a priest on.

[RM Brown]

Whoa.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah, you gotta do exorcism sort of through the media.

[Sam Cedar]

Is this guy really a priest? Because he looks like he plays a priest.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah, on the USA Network right there.

[RM Brown]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

I mean, honestly, I cannot imagine, like, hey, listen, I don't have a huge budget, but I need. I need a set. I need a set that looks like a priest office. Can you do this? And how quickly can you get it together?

[Emma Vigeland]

Duct tape on the call.

[Sam Cedar]

Don't worry about. I. I don't care. You're blocking the window with the bookcase. It's. We just need to do this.

[RM Brown]

Vicious.

[Emma Vigeland]

The Catholic Church got in on these SM7B deals.

[Brian]

He looks like somebody who would be cast in Law and Order SVU as a priest who's giving like. They're walking and talking through the church, giving pertinent information very relevant to the investigation.

[Sam Cedar]

A lot of exposition from this guy. Exactly. Is I believe about, if I get the details right, about a young man.

[Dave Rubin]

Who was at, you know, kind of like a birthday party, some kind of celebration.

[Sam Cedar]

Wait, can we go back just a little bit? What is he talking about?

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah, so we actually, the. The clip we have actually wasn't going to include much of him, but we can get a little bit of taste of what he's talking about.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay. Oh, to God.

[Dave Rubin]

A person who's reasonable would say, but I'm just playing. And I would say, I completely playing.

[Emma Vigeland]

With, you know, Etsy witches.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh, I'm just playing around. I see. Yeah. So, okay.

[Emma Vigeland]

Ouija board sort of thing.

[Sam Cedar]

Right, right, right, of course.

[Dave Rubin]

And that. And then I would say at the same time. At the same time. You remember the movie the Exorcist?

[Jeet Heer]

Of course, yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

How can you forget it?

[Dave Rubin]

So that story is based off of two true stories. And one of the true stories is.

[Sam Cedar]

I believe, about, if I get the.

[Dave Rubin]

Details right, about a young man who was that, you know, kind of like a bird.

[Emma Vigeland]

I just want to say, if these were actually true stories, wouldn't you have the details pretty ready to hand that, like a demonic spirit.

[Sam Cedar]

Right. Circling around them? I. I mean, I get it. Like, they.

[Emma Vigeland]

It looks like me with Teapot Dome.

[Sam Cedar]

I'm not. I have a feeling that the part about the neck, the head spinning on the head, probably not true.

[Brian]

No, that is true. He would say, that is true.

[Sam Cedar]

But the part of a child who was sick, that's probably true. And I would not be surprised if two priests went there and go, well, the kid has the devil in them. Good.

[Dave Rubin]

Birthday party, some kind of celebration of.

[Sam Cedar]

Some sort with kids, and they just.

[Dave Rubin]

Busted out the Ouija board and just played for fun. But that was an entry point for what ultimately became a possession.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh, okay, wait a second. I just need to take that in. This is the part of the story you're not going to believe. Not the part about the possession, but how they got there. Ouija board. Oh, right.

[RM Brown]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

That's what that story is. Not trying to edify the fact that a possession is real, but that sometimes it comes from a Ouija board.

[Emma Vigeland]

You know, the thing that Hasbro has the trademark for.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah, exactly. This was the problem. There were no possessions and we didn't have to do exorcisms until board games.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

When Chutes and Ladders came out, this was a real problem. Yes.

[Emma Vigeland]

Operation.

[RM Brown]

Yeah.

[Brian]

But you would be surprised at how many different sectors of our economy are invested in witchcraft. I mean, the publishers of Harry Potter, for one, some of the most complicit.

[Emma Vigeland]

Well, that's the weird thing is a lot of the right wingers were the type of people saying, you couldn't read Harry Potter like 10 years ago. And then she came out as anti trans. And now it's like, I guess patriotic.

[Sam Cedar]

To read about Hogwarts.

[Brian]

I mean, Etsy's literally doing business with witches and allowing them to profit off.

[RM Brown]

Of their website forming these witches.

[Emma Vigeland]

The New Deal had witch regulations that have been stripped away. And now you got the free market. Witches can sell their witchcraft on Etsy.

[RM Brown]

Right.

[Candace Owens]

You're playing with fire, messing with this stuff. There actually are demons in this world calling up the spirit world. In particular, the devil's spirit world can actually have real world consequences. It's not something to mess with. Many Christians believe this. This is dangerous. It's not a game. It's literally evil. Second, this is what I really want you all and the people at Jezebel and Etsy to know. Erica and Charlie Kirk heard about these curses.

[Sam Cedar]

Right.

[Candace Owens]

And that news genuinely rattled Erica in particular. She knew Christian teaching on the subject. She loved Charlie. Absolutely. And she was scared when she heard of the curses Jezebel had called up.

[Brian]

Can you pause? So much so. So I like how she's saying Jezebel too and like bringing it into her Biblical. Biblical. The Jezebels. You know, Jezebel is like a mag. It's a feminist kind of what offshoot of Deadspin if I'm not.

[Sam Cedar]

Yes.

[Jeet Heer]

It's in the same sort of umbrella.

[Brian]

And they're using that term ironically. It's called Jezebel because it's has a feminist bent and they're making fun of.

[Emma Vigeland]

It's because they like being loose women.

[Brian]

Yeah. And then she's like, they're calling themselves Jezebels.

[Sam Cedar]

Casting. You are so proud that you're so slutty.

[RM Brown]

It'd be funny if she was like, yeah, this, this spirit stuff is no joke. I got one in the studio.

[Sam Cedar]

People are writing it. People are writing in like, she doesn't get that it's ironic. She's admonishing witches for putting a spell on people and it being rude. I get the feeling she might know and it's a little bit of a performance.

[Emma Vigeland]

She's also the person who made of a piece big stink about how Santa Claus is a white guy.

[Sam Cedar]

Was like the idea of a black Santa Claus, like, what you're not gonna.

[RM Brown]

Get present, like article at one point where they go into this thing like, look, we don't really want any real harm, but maybe like, his shoes are too big. Did you hear that? Like, oh, I missed that one. They explain, they're like, this is a goofy joke. And she like keeps going for some.

[Emma Vigeland]

Reason Satan, be careful what you wish for.

[Brian]

But maybe she actually. Now that solves some things. She genuinely thinks Santa is real too. In addition to demons. Oh, yeah, that must be it.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah.

[RM Brown]

It's the spirit realm that.

[Candace Owens]

She and Charlie contacted a friend who I believe she said was a Catholic priest, but definitely a friend, and asked him to come over and pray with them over Charlie the night before he was murdered.

[Emma Vigeland]

I don't believe this, but she eventually.

[Sam Cedar]

Well, you keep her up there, but. And so did they brought in a priest just for the Jezebel Etsy witches?

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah, the witch curse from the Jezebel blog, where they contracted with some Etsy witches, apparently.

[Sam Cedar]

No, I know, but I'm saying, like, they. They brought in the priests specifically for that. I find that hard to believe.

[Emma Vigeland]

And, you know, and I'll just say.

[Sam Cedar]

And I find it hard to believe that they did and it didn't work.

[Emma Vigeland]

That's what I wanted to point out is clearly these witches are more popular than Christ.

[Sam Cedar]

No, I think, honestly, huge numbers. Somebody's gonna talk to that priest and see what they like if it was a scam.

[Emma Vigeland]

I actually have Catholics in my family who bought a new house and invited the priest over in the first week to have dinner and bless the house. And the night after the night the priest left a window, or not a window, a picture fell off of the wall. They just moved in.

[Sam Cedar]

So maybe.

[Emma Vigeland]

I think. Maybe you didn't put it in correctly.

[Sam Cedar]

But.

[Emma Vigeland]

But my family. My family thinks the house is haunted.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah. Well, yeah, I think the real question trump. I think the real. I think the real question is, like, how well does the hot water heater function? Like, is there. Do the doors, you know, like, the floor creak?

[Brian]

Now that we think about it, should we be looking into demonic presences in this office?

[Emma Vigeland]

There's some spooky stuff going on. Like the. You know, the plumbing's out, like, once a month.

[Brian]

Yeah. Sometimes the power goes out, too.

[RM Brown]

They should be like. There should be a guy who does, like, those examinations of, like, your septic system, but also demon. Like, he'll check for demons too.

[Brian]

You have not watched enough junk television. There are TV shows about this kind of thing.

[RM Brown]

Oh, man. Hell, yeah.

[Candace Owens]

That, as she later told me, weapons will form but not prosper, that Satan and those witches have no power. Of course, God's will is the one that matters. And his blessing over Charlie was real and palpable. All you had to do was spend time with Charlie to know that. But why torture a family like that?

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah. God, when Charlie was Saying the Civil Rights act was bad. God's grace was just washed over him.

[Candace Owens]

As a Christian believing family. Why do this vile thing to a young couple, parents to two babies, living in accordance with the gospel, deeply in love. Yes, political, but doing nothing other than speaking publicly about their views and their desires to make other people's lives better. Who would do such a violent.

[Sam Cedar]

They had a professor watch list, incidentally, where they had hundreds of professors that they would harass and try and get fired.

[RM Brown]

Right.

[Sam Cedar]

Just. That's just the low hanging fruit. But obviously no one deserves to be shot. But I think that like, you know, having websites and blogs, you know, put curses on you is probably just, you know, the way the free market.

[RM Brown]

Right. So I thought, you know, yeah, if you get a curse, then you go on Etsy and you find someone to undo or fight against that curse.

[Sam Cedar]

McConnect too. I think if you go on Manect, you can get the curses reversed.

[RM Brown]

Yep. I think.

[Sam Cedar]

Is there more on this? Well, you know what we got to do. Wrap up here. I gotta, I gotta get that doctor's appointment.

[RM Brown]

You wanna go into detail about what you're.

[Sam Cedar]

I'm having a little eye issue.

[RM Brown]

Oh, blurry, blurry.

[Brian]

Bring us back, Matt. Right where it's not. Yeah, yeah, we're still.

[RM Brown]

Okay.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Megan Kelly.

[Sam Cedar]

Megan Kelly. All right, let's read a couple IMs and then we. Lauren Hobert Immigrants are disappearing from Alligators Alley in the same way that Jews are disappearing from Auschwitz, Texas. Tanky. Any chance the visit with Erdogan preceding this clip had any influence on Trump's reversal in the West Bank? I got to think that it is. I mean, because he had said this like a day or two before too. I got to think it's like has to do with the Saudis, like some, some business deal.

[Brian]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Sam Cedar]

Really cool.

[Brian]

Oh, sorry. Just really quick. The Miriam Adelson money is in the back. In the back, in the rear view mirror.

[Sam Cedar]

What have you done?

[Brian]

Right, and that's for his campaign. He doesn't give a crap about that. He wants money in his pocket and that's what the Qataris and the Saudis can give him.

[Emma Vigeland]

Yeah, Miriam, he didn't give me a plane.

[Sam Cedar]

Not bad, Aaron. Having been to the west bank many times, the difference between Area C and Israel proper proper is is nil. The west bank is de facto annexed. Trump saying a no to de jury. Annexation allowed on the ground. Slow drip. Annexation indefinitely. Allie from New Hampshire, my husband, best friend and I discovered was it was cheaper to drive seven hours from New Hampshire to Buffalo. Stay in an Airbnb to see Chapel Roan last summer than it to see it closer to in Boston.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

Whoa.

[Brian]

People do that.

[Sam Cedar]

Audio snob. Can we get a low pass on the 12k? I don't know what that means.

[Emma Vigeland]

That's I think about Jeets.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh, Bogo Spinto. Does Jeet have a stub stack or something where we can send him money to get a replacement battery for his smoke detector? And two more fool's errand. My dog is upset with Jeet here in his smoke.

[RM Brown]

He's making everybody's dog go crazy with.

[Sam Cedar]

That Beep Muddy Mo. This map is their version of horoscopes and the final IM of the week. Shartz McGee. Speaking of cash grabs, check out the Riyadh Comedy Fest lineup. Oh, I did see that. Yeah. There's like 30 comedians. Some that you like, some that you don't. Who?

[Emma Vigeland]

I mean, Bill Burr is the main disappointment.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah.

[RM Brown]

Yeah.

[Jeet Heer]

What's up with.

[Sam Cedar]

From the perspective of a comedian? I mean, I would not do it. I just want to make that clear. And I'm not. I'm letting anybody off the hook, but I know the mentality and they're like, I'm getting asked to go. Like, if I went there on my own, nobody would care.

[Brian]

Well, that's sort of the point. But I would. My other part is like, I don't like white Westerners acting like we have some sort of like, moral leg to stand on in this current moment with Saudi Arabia. Yes, obviously, the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, the way they treat you, slave labor or whatever, but it's just like we're committing genocide right now. So. Although I will say that Pete Davidson performing is kind of of crazy because his dad died in 911.

[RM Brown]

Oh, my God, I forgot about that.

[Emma Vigeland]

And they're performing on the anniversary of the Khashoggi butchery.

[RM Brown]

So he was on Theo Von. I wonder if he dressed that. That would be interesting to see Pete Davidson talk about that. Seems weird.

[Brian]

Seems a little rough. Yeah, I mean, they were pretty responsible for 911, which killed your dad, so.

[Sam Cedar]

All right, leaving the be Matt Brian at absentia. Emma, great job this week. Rm Brown. Where can people find you?

[RM Brown]

Oh, yeah, check out the RM Brown YouTube channel. Also, I was asked to say that Francesca's doing a show October 13th.

[Sam Cedar]

Where? In New York.

[RM Brown]

New York. New York City. Bell House.

[Sam Cedar]

Didn't hear about that. That's interesting.

[RM Brown]

You guys didn't hear about that.

[Sam Cedar]

That is weird.

[Brian]

I guess Better friends. She's upgraded her friends.

[Emma Vigeland]

Interesting.

[Sam Cedar]

Wow. All right.

[RM Brown]

Yeah, sorry guys. It's sold out and we don't have any awkward. Yeah, we don't have any plus ones left.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh, okay. All right. That is weird. All right, well, okay. 10-13- Francesca is doing a show at.

[Brian]

The in our backyard basically.

[RM Brown]

Yeah.

[Emma Vigeland]

I also have a quick plug I'm.

[Sam Cedar]

Probably gonna have to actually I'm not sure. I guess my plans to go to the back bell house that night to for a drink I'm have to cancel because it's obviously yes, you're not a show going on there to go in.

[Emma Vigeland]

On Monday, myself and David Griscom will be phone banking with DSA to encourage members to sign up for solidarity dues. You can sign up at DSAUSA US/LRPB. That will be at 6pm Eastern Monday.

[Sam Cedar]

Let's put a link in the podcast in the YouTube description because that is a not easy URL. I couldn't even follow anything you said. Why? Why don't people use Bitly more? Just don't get it.

[RM Brown]

Yeah, bitly's good.

[Sam Cedar]

Why don't they squat.comforward/mov.

[Brian]

All right, let's wrap up.

[Sam Cedar]

Thanks Haram.

[Brian]

Yeah, thanks for having me.

[RM Brown]

Yeah, thanks guys.

[Sam Cedar]

Folks, see you on Monday. It might take all the strength like.

[Jeet Heer]

I to get to where I want.

[Sam Cedar]

But I know somehow I'm gonna get there.

[Jeet Heer]

I wasn't looking when I just got caught between the truth and the.

[Sam Cedar]

Light bar final Won't make me feel any better yeah, I know the clock is ticking but the meds are gonna kick in and my pilot light shining bright I get somewhere the choice was made for the option where you don't get paid for the road that bends before it finally breaks you.

[RM Brown]

I guess.

[Sam Cedar]

Somehow lost my drive between the 101 and the 5 do you know how far the teacher takes you? Yeah, I know the clock is ticking.

[Jeet Heer]

But the movie man I kick in.

[Sam Cedar]

And my pilot light shining bright.

[Brian]

Years.

[Sam Cedar]

While I shifted in and out of the gear Waiting for my moment to happen I still know how much longer I can stay in or how much more I'd rather pay to play in I know somehow my.