3606 - Israeli Settler-IDF Attacks on Palestinians in West Bank Intensify w/ Jasper Nathaniel

Summary

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The Majority Report with Sam Seder

Episode 3606 – Israeli Settler-IDF Attacks on Palestinians in West Bank Intensify
Guest: Jasper Nathaniel, Publisher of Infinite Jazz
Date: October 20, 2025

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Brief Overview

In this episode, host Sam Seder, joined by Emma Viglund and Matt, speaks with independent journalist Jasper Nathaniel, currently reporting from the West Bank. The primary focus is on the intensification of violence by Israeli settlers—often with the tacit or overt cooperation of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF)—against Palestinians, including Palestinian-American citizens. Jasper describes first-hand violent incidents, the dynamics between settlers and the IDF, and the lack of effective protection or recourse for Americans and Palestinians in the West Bank. The episode also explores broader issues of U.S. government indifference, media neglect, and the crucial but often dangerous role of independent journalism in these conflict zones.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Historic U.S. Protests and Political Context [(03:37–16:10)]

• Massive “No Kings” Protests:
  Sam and Emma discuss the historic scale of recent protests across the U.S. against oligarchy and the concentration of power and wealth. Protests reached millions, including substantial turnouts in smaller towns and heavily Republican states.

  • “Estimated 125,000 people out in Boston. That's crazy.” (05:21–05:35)

• Intergenerational Motivation:
  The protests skewed older (Gen X and Boomers)—a demographic with significant electoral power.

  • “Most of the people I saw were Gen X or boomers...the amount of the electorate these people represent is extremely high.” (09:18)

• Skepticism and Hope:
  Sam and the panel reflect on cynicism around protests without subsequent organizing, but highlight encouraging levels of activism and on-the-ground organizing.

  • “If even just a tiny percentage of those begin to organize and they have access to those people who were there, it is helpful.” (11:10)

• Oligarchy vs. Capitalism Discussion:
  The conversation turns to how oligarchy, not simply capitalism, is the core issue—connecting today’s power dynamics with historical warning against “kings.”

  • “The oligarchy we have now is only a function of capitalism because that is the path that we have been on.” (14:41)

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2. Jasper Nathaniel’s On-the-Ground Reporting from the West Bank [(25:20–87:46)]

a) Jasper’s Introduction and the Importance of Independent Journalism [(25:20–26:12)]

• Sam Seder:
  Praises Jasper's vital role as an independent journalist, free from editorial or institutional suppression, reporting stories often killed or sanitized by major outlets.

b) Anatomy of a Settler Attack: First-Hand Account [(26:34–48:51)]

• Context: Termisia Attacks:
  Jasper describes life in Termisia, a predominantly Palestinian-American, relatively affluent West Bank village, now facing increasing settler violence.

  • “The farmhouses in this agricultural land are like little mansions...these are not people who are used to dealing with this violence. SETTLER. So anyway, the violence has been getting worse…” (26:34)

• Step-by-Step Incident Breakdown:

  • Settler Confrontation Begins [(29:58)]:
    Settlers block Palestinian landowners’ attempt to reach their olive groves, threatening them with firearms. Jasper and an American-Palestinian farmer are harassed and denied access.

    • Quote:

      “He has a gun? ...Oh my God, that's a gun. Alright.” (30:03–30:12; Jasper and others in the car)

  • IDF Involvement and 'Collaboration' [(32:16–36:48)]:
    After initial blockage, Jasper and the farmers attempt alternate routes, only to encounter IDF soldiers. The IDF appears to promise help, but subsequently abandons them, leaving them vulnerable.

    • Quote:

      “Then the next thing that happens...is the IDF Jeep just speeds off, just disappears into the dust, and leaves us with the two settlers on the atv.” (36:53)

  • Escalation: Mass Settler Assault [(39:06–46:13)]:
    A group of approximately 100 settlers emerges from hiding to attack fleeing Palestinian farmers, Jasper, and international activists. Cars are vandalized, activists are beaten, and an elderly Palestinian woman is brutally clubbed.

    • Quote:

      “When I'm outside pushing the car is when...about a hundred zombie, like, savage settlers just appear out of the hills and start chasing me.” (39:06)

    • Quote:

      “There’s a woman by herself...I will tell you...there’s no way he’s going to attack her...but the next clip is what happens.” (42:49)
      [Attack occurs on video—CONTENT WARNING]

  • International and Local Responses:
    U.S. embassy is unresponsive, offering only platitudes and referring responsibility to the Israeli government, despite clear threats and documented attacks on Americans.

    • Quote:

      “The protection of American citizens is always the responsibility of the host nation government...” (56:16; quoting U.S. embassy official)

    International activists are seriously injured, but are strictly told not to fight back to avoid settler reprisal against villages.

c) The Aftermath and U.S. Government Failure [(51:44–62:38)]

• Embassy Refusal to Intervene:
  Jasper details fruitless appeals to the embassy for protection, highlighting the double standard for American citizens based on ethnicity.

  • Quote:

    “Why do we have an embassy in Israel?...objectively speaking, they're not protecting Americans here.” (56:52)

• Plight of Palestinian-American Detainees:
  The episode spotlights cases like Mohammed Zahir Ibrahim, a 16-year-old Palestinian-American imprisoned by Israel, and the lack of U.S. government interest in securing his release—even as family members are killed by settlers.

  • Quote:

    “The United States must use every avenue available to secure the release of this Palestinian American child.” (59:36; quoting Rep. Ayanna Pressley)

d) The Impact of Reporting and Brief Lull in Violence [(62:38–64:51)]

• Documentation as Protection:
  Following Jasper’s viral footage, settlers and IDF appeared to avoid direct conflict the following day, underscoring the power of international scrutiny.

  • Quote:

    “Saw your video yesterday...God sended you for us.” (62:53; local Palestinian farmer to Jasper)

• IDF Public Relations and Denials:
  Jasper revisits the same location, is confronted by IDF, and films their attempts to minimize or deny their role, including filming Jasper for their own “propaganda.”

  • Quote:

    “This guy's filming me right now saying that I'm here making propaganda. I got chased by 100 settlers yesterday. I almost got killed because these guys set me up. And he's over here saying I'm filming propaganda. Incredible.” (67:39)

e) The Systematic Process of Land Theft [(77:21–82:45)]

• Visual Breakdown:
  Jasper and a local farmer guide the hosts through the visible encroachment process: tents turn to containers, to permanent construction, then eventual full settlement approval.

  • Quote:

    “This is how it all starts: starts with a tent, then it becomes a container…” (80:45)

• Economic and Existential Stakes:
  Even relatively wealthy communities are now threatened. Continuing to tend their land, even under threat, is seen as crucial for resistance and survival.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “[The IDF] just disappears into the dust, and leaves us with the two settlers on the ATV. And then about 100 more immediately appeared and came after us. So I find it very unlikely that they did not know…” (36:53–39:06; Jasper)

• “I got chased by 100 settlers yesterday. I almost got killed because these guys set me up. And he's over here saying I'm filming propaganda. Incredible.” (67:39; Jasper)

• “The only hope, just to go by what the Palestinians say at least, or the ones that I know, is to keep telling their story.” (87:00; Jasper)

• “If these people are now as vulnerable as they are, just imagine the shepherding communities, the Bedouin communities, I mean, they are utterly defenseless.” (82:45)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• No Kings Protests & Political Context: 03:37–16:10
• Interview with Jasper Nathaniel Introduced: 25:20
• Description of Termisia, First Incidents: 26:34–29:58
• Settler Confrontation & IDF 'Assistance': 29:58–36:48
• Mass Attack & Chase: 39:06–46:13
• Assault on Woman, Activists Injured: 42:49–46:13
• Embassy & U.S. Government Response: 51:44–56:16
• Mohammed Zahir Ibrahim Case: 59:36–62:01
• Temporary Lull/Settler Withdrawal Post-Reporting: 62:38–64:51
• Systematic Settler Land Grab Explained: 77:21–82:45
• Closing Reflections: 87:00–87:46

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Summary Tone & Final Thoughts

The tone is alternately urgent, outraged, and darkly humorous—typical of The Majority Report. Sam and crew balance personal anecdotes, sardonic asides, and deep concern for the violence in the West Bank. Jasper’s matter-of-fact, sometimes grim reportage provides an unflinching window into daily realities obscured by diplomatic platitudes and official denials, while the panel continually steers the conversation toward the larger stakes: the erosion of democracy, the consequences of unchecked state and settler violence, and the immense value and risk in independent journalism.

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Further Resources

• Jasper Nathaniel’s Substack: Infinite Jazz
• Follow on Instagram/Twitter: For real-time updates and reporting

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For listeners/readers seeking a comprehensive understanding of settler violence and U.S.-Israeli-Palestinian dynamics—especially as experienced by Palestinian Americans—this episode is an invaluable, harrowing resource.

Transcript

[Emma Viglund]

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[Sam Seder]

The Majority Report with Sam Cedar. It is Monday, October 20, 2025. My name is Sam Seder. This is the five time award winning Majority Report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, usa. On the program today, Jasper Nathaniel, publisher of the Infinite Jazz on Substack, currently in the West Bank. Also on the program today, Israel continues to bomb Gaza despite supposed ceasefire. It's day 20 of the government shutdown. We're weeks away from millions on federal food assistance from losing that. We also feds as of today are furloughing most of the workforce overseeing the US Nuclear stockpile. No Kings. Protests across the country Saturday, perhaps the largest in the history of the United states, drew between five and a half and eight and a half million people to the streets. Meanwhile, U.S. marines encouraged by Vice President J.D. vance to hold a celebration, detonate a shell over Interstate 5 in California by mistake. Convicted disgraced former congressperson George Santos gets a commutation by Trump because of course US Kills more boaters in the Caribbean. Then release two who survived the strike to their home countries despite being alleged narco terrorists. Weird, huh? Trump pressures Zelensky in meeting with Putin to give up territory for peace. Trump then floats subsidies for Argentinian beef imports to help with the rising price of meat in this country. And the Coast Guard, you'll be happy to know, buys two private jets for Kristi Noem, one presumably for Christie, and I guess the other for Corey Lewandowski.

[Emma Viglund]

Oh, no, they want to be on the same.

[Sam Seder]

Wait, they're on the same, but the other one's for husband. Oh, yes, for $172 million. All this and more on today's Majority Report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks so much for joining us. It is Monday, not fundamental.

[Emma Viglund]

Oh, fun day Monday. Yes, yes.

[Sam Seder]

I mean fair. Thanks for joining us. Hopefully many of you have your own no Kings stories. There were people out in all of the major cities, millions of people out in the major cities across the country. I was up in Kingston, New York, and there was hard to say, but I would say at least like 2 to 5,000 people there marching through the city. Ryan spoke, the congressman for the 18th district was there. I went with my daughter, which was fun. And I've just heard from people all across the country that there was tons. Let's take a look at what we.

[Emma Viglund]

Have up here yeah, this is, I.

[Sam Seder]

Guess, footage from Minneapolis, Philadelphia, Washington, D.C. chicago, New York City was packed. San Diego, Boston, insane. We're getting people just on the IMS right now. Yosemite Sam Cedar. I live in a tiny town in North Carolina. There was at least three or four hundred people protesting there. Cho says we had ten and a half thousand to show up in Grand Rapids, Michigan. We're gonna see more come in. Estimated 125,000 people out in Boston. That's crazy. Let's play a couple more clips. What else do we have here?

[Emma Viglund]

This is Arkansas. Just in case any Republicans watching think, oh, these are just blue degenerate urban areas. No.

[Sam Seder]

Files in Arkansas. Leftist rage says Albany protest. Miles of people lined up on the busiest sections of the road. Tom Cotton's beard, 2000 in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. In Juneau, Alaska, says Uday and Kousse Lutnick, 750 Mego 2000 in Pura, Illinois hopeful, 900 in Haverhill, Mass. That's pretty good. Ramona Frankenstein. Small town. I grew up in New Hampshire. At least 200 people. Long island popped out big, says Nassau County. County spokesperson Easy 10,000 plus. In New Orleans, Carly Chirk, Denver, 25 to 35,000, says Saturn Girl. Idaho, Wilmington, population 127.7K showed up. Adam Lefty. This is where Idaho. Here is Boise, Idaho, population of Democrats. This may be, I mean, for pound. For pound, the most Republicans Republican state in the country.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah.

[Emma Viglund]

I do like that they're still patriotic here. That's their form of protest. That makes sense.

[Sam Seder]

Clearwater, 6,000 in Eau Claire, 3,000 in Newburyport, Maine. I mean, it really dramatic numbers across the board here.

[Emma Viglund]

And it pissed Trump off, obviously. Obviously.

[Sam Seder]

Oh, yeah. Let's show Donald Trump's reaction. It was, I mean, you could say on some level he pooped himself, but he decided to aim that poop on the American public.

[Emma Viglund]

Great.

[Sam Seder]

Here, here it is. It has a copywritten song. So this is. Okay, version. This is him. Okay, pause it for a second. It's him flying a fighter jet. Now, of course, this is fiction. Donald Trump would never be able to fit into a fighter jet. Yeah.

[Matt]

Look at that torso.

[Sam Seder]

He also, the best part is look at the mask is not even over his nose.

[Emma Viglund]

Yeah, he doesn't need it. He can. He can breathe up there.

[Sam Seder]

I don't need the face diaper up here. There's no Covid on Mars. Yeah. I don't have to worry about that. And it's the.

[Matt]

It says King Trump on the side.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah. And the idea, of course, is to sort of like, play into it. But what's impressive is that they spent all of the past week or two talking about this as a. As it's going to be full of antifa fighters and ninja fighters, Hamas and Hezbollah and what is, you know, like Red Dog America hating Marxist and on and on. And then, of course, all they're talking about now is it was all boomers. It was all old people.

[Emma Viglund]

I mean, compared to the pro Palestine protesters, yeah, I would say it skews a little bit older. But that doesn't mean that this is not like a show of major discontent with Donald Trump. Like, that's what matters is that people were motivated enough to get out on a Saturday and protest this administration.

[Sam Seder]

Oh, I'll tell you something. They're nervous about this because if they are. Right. And my experience was that it was. Most of the people I saw were Gen X or boomers out there, at least up in Kingston, I was with my daughter. I mean, I saw young people as well, but that was, you know, I would say probably 45, 40 and older were the majority of people in midterm elections. Like, the amount of the electorate these people represent is extremely high.

[Emma Viglund]

Yeah.

[Sam Seder]

And they're very, very motivated.

[Emma Viglund]

Can we just play a little bit more?

[Sam Seder]

Oh, yeah, yeah. We didn't get to the part where he's on his jet and he. He basically. Now, I don't know how this works, Brian. You've been in military, but I can't imagine they would let you in the Air Force. But. But I don't know if it works this way where they actually put a pipe that goes from the seat. Because, of course, you can't. You can't relieve yourself if this goes from the flight suit. And. But here you see Donald Trump with just massive diarrhea of him through the airplane.

[Emma Viglund]

I mean, that. Right. Exactly. How much did he eat that day?

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, I mean, same amount.

[Emma Viglund]

Light lunch.

[Matt]

He's the president. You guys have to respect him.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

At least he wasn't wearing a tan suit.

[Emma Viglund]

You're right, you're right.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

You guys want to divide us all the time.

[Matt]

You got to support our president.

[Sam Seder]

Now, I've seen like, super, some. A little bit of some cynicism about these protests, and I, you know, obviously the protests mean nothing if there's no organizing that comes out of this. But, you know, at least at the protest that I went to, there were a lot of tents. There was a lot of, like, tables set up. People are organizing. There is no doubt my mind now, let's assume There were close to, I would, I would imagine there were closer to 8 million than 5 and a half million because there's so many towns where you had a thousand people come out, 2,000, 5,000, 10,000 people that are just not going to be recorded. And. But if even just a tiny percentage of those begin to organize and they have access to those people who were there, it is helpful. And as far as the no kings thing at one point, my hope is, is that the, those involved in the anti oligarch tour that went around, like Sanders and AOC and people who fight oligarchies and concentrations of wealth and power. When we think about kings, that's what the kings were. They were, they weren't just like, they didn't just have a monopoly of power, they had a monopoly of wealth and resources. That was like, almost like definitionally what the king was. And we obviously don't have the same system of government, but the, the problem, it remains the same. I cannot remember the name of the professors we had on who had written that book, the Anti Oligarchic Constitution. And Pat Ryan up at Kingston, his speech was talking about the Declaration of Independence.

[Matt]

Fishkin and Forbath.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, Fishkin and Forbath talking about the idea of no kings in the Declaration of Independence, but the concept of kings. When we talk about someone who has a monopoly of power and wealth, really sort of like the monopoly of power came first and the wealth just followed because they were able to say we'll take all the wealth because I have this army. But the idea of monopoly of wealth, giving that type of oligarchic power, this is what we're fighting against.

[Emma Viglund]

And that's why there's some people that are cynical about like, it seems a little designed to avoid the question of capitalism. But I don't think that story is finished yet. To your point, you know, we. There, there's still an opportunity to connect it to what we've been saying about oligarchy and taxation. It's just that it kind of fits into what we're saying about what we were saying last week about the Democrats losing credibility by being undemocratic in their lack of responsiveness to their base. Right. If the only message is that of democracy, we cannot do that again. Well, I mean, they leaned into that with Kamala Harris and it was not potent enough to overcome people's odds. Obvious material reality.

[Sam Seder]

Here's the thing. The, the oligarchy we have now is only a function of capitalism because that is the path that we have been on. There are other ways to get to oligarchy. We can see it around the globe. And so it's to say that the problem is capitalism is to ally the fact that the problem is oligarchy. The way in which we got to oligarchy, we in this country, as opposed to, let's say Russia did not head to oligarchy because of, of, of capitalism. It was an injection of perhaps a form of capitalism but with a pre existing structure that was also problematic. It is important to address the oligarchy and in the note in Kings is a childlike way of saying oligarchy.

[Matt]

FDR got to economic royalists.

[Sam Seder]

Exactly.

[Matt]

I would say that conditions are going to force us in that direction as well, even if there's a resistant part of the Democratic party that doesn't want to talk about it.

[Sam Seder]

And the question is like, once it's become clear that we have a monopoly of power and of wealth and a concentration of wealth that does not serve democracy, the question is like, well, how do we get here? And that in our particular case it is capitalism, then there's going to have to be a change to renew democracy.

[Emma Viglund]

Yep.

[Sam Seder]

It's going to have to come from a different system that we have practiced that brought us to this point. But we have a little more to talk about that. But couple of words from our sponsors and then we're going to be talking to Jasper Nathaniel from the west bank and folks, check out his substack Infinite Jazz. Much of the footage we're going to be talking about is going to be available there and a piece that he wrote in the Paris Review. But first, like I say, words from our sponsor. This is easy. This morning when I got out of bed, I got out of my cozy earth sheets. They are fantastic. They are temperature regulating. I had to, I didn't. I don't want to go into it, but I had some problem with my neck after the show Friday you saw me rubbing my neck. Saturday I was laid out. It was a real problem. I got a heating pad, but the rest of me is cool because of my cozy earth sheets. I love their joggers. I love, love their hoodie. Fact, I think that one of them, because I have two as a backup, was absconded with by a child of mine. I'm not going to get into it, but cozy earth bamboo sheets, they are temperature regulating, guaranteed to give you a comfortable night's sleep. They are made from viscose, viscous I should say, which is from bamboo. Naturally wick away heat moisture from your body, helping you sleep. Several degrees cooler but they are incredibly soft. They have something called the Bubble Cuddle blanket which is an ultra soft blanket. Offers a combination of comfort and style. This midweight faux fur blanket is great for lounging anywhere in your home. I've given cozy Earth PJs as a.

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[Jasper Nathaniel]

Thank you. That was very nice. I really appreciate it. And, yeah, I mean, people here are always saying, why is it so unusual to see like, that? People find it unusual that I'm there as an independent journalist, and that's weird to me. This is like one of the worst conflicts in the world with its implications included. And it's weird that I am, like, getting. It's weird that people are saying it's unusual to see somebody like me. I have to say, I mean, like, what happened yesterday, which we'll get into, that's happening every single day. Every single day. And it's crazy that, like, this is the first time or it's not the first time. It's crazy like this. It just broke through because I posted it online.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, I mean, let's get to this. This footage is going to be, you know, there's a bit of it, but why don't you just tell us, like, it starts out at 7:40 in the morning. Tell us what's going on with this settler blocking. Just, you know, set the table for us and we'll play the video.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Okay. So I'm in the town of Termisia, which is, like, outside of Ramoa. It's an interesting place because it's 85% American citizens. So the vast majority of people who live here are Palestinian Americans who basically go back and forth. And it's a pretty wealthy town. So this is a place that has been, like, pretty insulated from settler violence and just general occupation violence for many decades. Not completely insulated, but relatively speaking, it's been okay, really, just until the last couple of years is when it's gotten bad. And what it comes down to is these settlers are setting their sights higher. The farmhouses in this agricultural land are like little mansions. The land itself is, like, beautiful and lush. So this is not something that happens here all the time. It happens all across the West Bank. But these are not people who are used to dealing with these violence. SETTLER. So anyway, the violence has been getting worse, and basically there's this whole swath of agricultural land between the two settlements, Shiloh and Adeid, and then the town of Termis Aya. The land has gradually been taken by settlers who show up, build an outpost. They basically prop up a tent, put an Israeli flag, and then suddenly two tens. And then, like, if you go near them, you get shot. And so over the last couple of years, almost all of their land has become inaccessible to them. So they decided yesterday they were going to go out for the first time this year, all as a unit. There was basically like a caravan of farmers and their workers who all driving out together at 7am so that, so I think what you're about to show is like two minutes into that drive, basically.

[Sam Seder]

And I just want to mention this, I know this is on the. I know it was originally in the Paris Review, but it's now on the top, I think, of your substack. You wrote a piece just, I don't know, 10 days ago, 12 days ago, that talks about folks, I think from this town, American citizens who are here trying to, who have been trying to get the US Government to pay attention. The fact that American citizens have been killed in this, in and around these areas to absolutely no avail, it's heartbreaking. But. All right, let's play this clip.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Can I just say one thing about this? I'm literally in the house of Mohammed Zahir Ibrahim, who is a 16 year old Palestinian American kid who's been in Israeli military detention since February. I'm staying with his family right now. So that's how close we are to the place where these Americans are being killed and abducted.

[Sam Seder]

Okay, let's play this clip now. 7:38 in the morning. Good.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

That's it.

[Unidentified Participant]

We can't get through. He has a gun.

[Sam Seder]

He has a gun?

[Unidentified Participant]

Yeah.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Where's the gun? Oh my God, that's a gun. All right.

[Sam Seder]

Okay, so you can hear you and your driver, I guess, who, who's driving?

[Jasper Nathaniel]

That's the farmer. Like it's his land that we're going to Yur. And he's an American lawyer. So you know, he owns land in the west bank and he also has a home in, in Anaheim where he runs a family law practice. So that's who you hear throughout a lot of these videos.

[Sam Seder]

Okay. And, and so these guys, these settlers just come down. I mean this is the dynamic that I think people don't fully understand is they, the settlers try and like push the boundaries literally. And, and they sort of do it with this sort of like tacit approval of the IDF or this. There's this sort of like the IDF is supposed to like constrain them, but sometimes does and sometimes doesn't. I mean there's.

[Emma Viglund]

Okay, well in this instance it appears like they were maybe have, were directly collaborating. Right Jasper? Because they let.

[Sam Seder]

Well, okay, let's get ahead. So we're, we're, we're at the next one.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

This is to Address what you just said. Like, these settlers most likely have been sleeping in a farmhouse owned by one of the farmers trying to get out to his olive grove. So they wake up, come out of the farmhouse that belongs, someone look in their binoculars, see the Palestinians coming out, get their gun, go down and block the road. So, like, that's how perverse this is. Like, they're literally staying in the homes built by people trying to get to their land.

[Sam Seder]

Okay, let's. Let's go to the next one after that. The. This part three. Yeah, let's go to part three. This is where you guys drive around, try and find a different area, and then you. At 8:37am you get out of the car to go talk to the idf.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Do you want me to give context on it first?

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, yeah, please do. Yeah, go ahead.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah, so basically, like, we. So we. We got blocked by the settler with the gun. We went. We found another route. We actually made it to the olive groves, which was, like, a really nice surprise for everybody. The farmer that I was with, the officer, realized very quickly that his trees had no olives on them, which was probably just a bad season. So we decided to leave. So we go back to leave the way we came, and there's settlers blocking that way. So then we go back to lead the other way, and there's just an army jeep in the middle of the road, and we don't know what to do. And so we talk about it, me and Yasser, and decide of the two of us, I'm less likely to get shot if I approach them because I'm white. So this is me. My phone is in my pocket because I didn't want them to see me recording. But walking up the hill, my hands in the air, they're pointing their guns at me. And I'm gonna go basically ask them if they will please help us get out, get back into the village.

[Emma Viglund]

Your phone's in your pocket here.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Do you speak English? We just need help getting out because the settlers over there are blocking us. This is the only other way where you want to go? Just back to Termisaya, back to the village. That's it. Yeah, just want to go home? No, I live in America. I'm visiting family here. No, I'm here for the olives. In the car. Bringing passport? Yeah, I think so. Then he's like, do you have a picture on your phone? And I'm like, yeah, I think so. And then they're like, you know what? You're fine. Go to the car and come through. So he gives us the green light to go.

[Sam Seder]

They were looking for a picture on your phone. Do you think they were.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

They. They wanted to know if I had a picture of my passport on my phone.

[Sam Seder]

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Because they. They clearly were like, do you have family here? They want to know if you're not Palestinian type of thing, is what they're asking. Okay.

[Emma Viglund]

You're just visiting.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah.

[Emma Viglund]

Did you deliberately not mention that you were a journalist there in that instance? Just to kind of write. I mean, that's smart.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Just like, path of least resistance.

[Emma Viglund]

Right?

[Jasper Nathaniel]

I don't. I don't. In hindsight, maybe, you know, just wanted to try the olives was not the most obvious thing I could have said, but that was.

[Sam Seder]

That was a. That came off as a little snippy, maybe. Like, something like, I'm just a Jew who loves olives, and, you know.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Was off the cuff.

[Sam Seder]

Well, I mean, I imagine at that point, like, there's a little, like, rising intensity. Okay. And so.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

You. So I walk down the hill.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

I go, Yasser's waiting there with the car. I get in on my great news. They said, they will help us out. They'll help us get out. So then we drive up the hill, and is the next video you're gonna play where we talked? Okay. So then you're gonna hear. We get up to the top of the hill. Soldier gets out of the car, puts his hand out. It's like, stop. So we're waiting, and then you'll hear me ask him a question. I think.

[Sam Seder]

Protecting.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Oh, sorry.

[Emma Viglund]

Sorry.

[Sam Seder]

Positive.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Once we get up there, I realized there's settlers up there, too. Not just any settlers, but it's the guy who had the gun we saw in the morning is there on an ATV with another set.

[Sam Seder]

So they have. They have been tracking you guys and are following you this way. They're basically coming ahead you off at this other pass. Okay.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Correct. And so we are thinking, okay, the soldiers are going to help us get by these guys, basically. And, like, just to state the obvious, like, not every settler carries a gun. When one of them is carrying a gun, it's a completely different situation. Like, you know that they could kill you at any moment, and they do. They do. They will. So, like, you really just don't take any risks at all when you encounter a settler with a gun. Oh, you're gonna move them? Yes. Oh, thank you. So I'm like, are you gonna move this?

[Sam Seder]

Oh. They pause it. They offer, we're gonna move them.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yes.

[Sam Seder]

And then you can go. So they're saying it correct.

[Emma Viglund]

That's the idf.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah, correct. That's the idea. He says, we're gonna move them, and then you can go. And I'm like, great, they're gonna move the settlers. Then the next thing that happens, which I did not get on video, is the IDF Jeep just speeds off, just disappears into the dust, and leaves us with the two settlers on the atv. And then there's also another car of a Palestinian farmer and his workers, and their windshield was completely smashed and their tires were slashed because the settlers on the ATV had just done that to his car. And so now it's us, the destroy the. The car with the windshield broken and the slash tires, and then the two settlers on the atv. Which one are you playing next, Sam?

[Sam Seder]

This one is we get in, the cars drive off, but the smash car gets stuck. So I try and get out to help the settlers.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah, so, so basically, I mean, the.

[Sam Seder]

Settlers appear to have left.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

At that point, the guy on the atd, like, sort of, like, goes off, and we're like, oh, great, okay. And then we start to leave, and then I realize that the car with the slash tire is not able to get out, which, you know, in hindsight, duh. So I get out of the car and I go offer to help him. And when I'm outside pushing the car is when, you know, a. About a hundred zombie, like, savage settlers just appear out of the hills and start chasing me. So just to, like, spell it out, listen, I don't have any definitive proof that the IDF knew they were there or that they set it up or whatever, but what I do know is that the IDF was up there. They said they would help move the settlers. They then left us with two settlers in plain sight that they saw, and then about 100 more immediately appeared and came after us. So I find it very unlikely that they did not know there was 100 people in the bushes right behind them.

[Sam Seder]

Okay, and then you turn, and then you turn and there's 15.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah, yeah. The next one is. Is me running away from the settlers. This is when. This is like the moment the attack sort of starts in earnest.

[Sam Seder]

Hey, hey. Press, Press.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

American.

[Sam Seder]

Press American.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Trying to get to a torched car.

[Emma Viglund]

What'd you say, Jasper?

[Jasper Nathaniel]

The. The siren that you're hearing is a Palestinian fire truck was trying to get to a car that had been torched.

[Emma Viglund]

I'm almost trying to find the footage, the wider shot of you.

[Sam Seder]

Then there's another shot from a distance, right, that.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Are you on the subject? Are you on the Subtech video.

[Emma Viglund]

Yeah. Oh, here it is.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Okay.

[Sam Seder]

This is another angle. And you can see Jasper in the black shirt running and trying to shoot over his shoulder with his phone.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

In hindsight, I would have put my phone away a little bit earlier.

[Emma Viglund]

Here they come. When you refer to them as zombie, like, this is it. Literally, it looks like there's that, like.

[Matt]

The 28 days ones that can work that car.

[Sam Seder]

And that car is the one that they had slashed that is dragged the.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Driver and the passenger out of the car and miraculously, they both escaped. So then basically what happens is me and the two guys in the car are running for our lives. This group is chasing us down the hill. Like, this is, like a big hill. And we're running down the hill. The village is basically at the bottom of the hill and they're coming after us. And as we're running, we're like. We'll, like, run into other people who had been there harvesting and didn't know this was happening. So then they would start running too. So it's like. It becomes basically like just a whole group of people running. And then the guy who we will see in a moment with a big club, he was like. I don't know if he is the leader or if he is just the coolest or the biggest warrior or whatever, but he was on my tail, hunting me down, basically chasing me. And I get to Yassir, the farmer I was with. I get to his car and I get in and I immediately start filming again. And so I think the next clip you'll play is right after that chase. I get to the car and the crowd is right behind us. Literally right behind us.

[Sam Seder]

He's right here.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

He's measuring. Here he is.

[Sam Seder]

Here he is. Gary. Yeah, there it is.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Are the doors locked?

[Sam Seder]

Okay, so go ahead. Go ahead.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah. So, you know, he's trying to get into the car, obviously, he smashes the rear windshield. So basically there's like a line of cars now trying to escape. I thought that we didn't realize that there was anybody still out. We thought that everybody had, like, either made it out or got it into a car or something. I wasn't sure about the two guys who were in the car because I hadn't been with them. But in terms of, like, everybody else, we think everyone is gone. And then we see the guy who had just smashed our windshield, who had been chasing me come across the side of the car. And then we look ahead and there's a woman by herself, like, maybe 30ft ahead of us picking olives And I will tell you, both me and Yassir, we talked about this a lot today. Like, both of us thought, there's no way he's going to attack her. There's just no way. I mean, she's an older woman, she's by herself. She's so clearly defenseless, picking olives. Like, this is a huge guy, he's got a club. Like, what kind of a absolute monster would attack her? And so the next clip is what happens.

[Sam Seder]

We should tell people this is a little bit graphic and content warning. This is pretty upsetting to watch. This is an Israeli settler who sees this elderly woman picking olives. And this is what he does.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Oh, come on. Don't hit her.

[Sam Seder]

Hey. Oh, my God.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Hey, hey, hey. So then we're like, tracking with him, and now it's just like there's other people just standing there. And so we are now, like, trying to get people into our car away from him. And he is just, like, going to town on people. And keep in mind, there's tons of settlers behind him. So there's a stampede going on. This guy is just out in front. You can see one or two others in it. But the next thing that happens is there's two activists. And I want to give a lot of credit to these international activists who tend to stay anonymous, but, I mean, these guys really put themselves right in the line of fire. And so then I think the next thing you'll see is him attacking two activists. One of them broke his arm, broke his leg, got a concussion, stitches in his head. The other, I don't know the extent of their injuries, but they're both pretty seriously injured. Holy. Hey.

[Sam Seder]

Get it.

[Emma Viglund]

Get it.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Get him.

[Sam Seder]

And are those activists able to get into the. Your car?

[Jasper Nathaniel]

I get out of the car pretty soon after that. So, yes. One of the injured activists is then carried into the car. The one who broke his arm and his leg and got a concussion is then. It's not on camera, but he's then brought into the car. Right when I get out of the car. This is, I think the next step is just our car getting attacked again, because, again, like, they're still here.

[Sam Seder]

Let's go to the next. Next.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

One more thing, Sam. The activists and journalists, but, you know, primarily the activists, like, are told explicitly, like, you know, there's a whole system here of protective presence. There's these big organizations that run it. And one of the number one rules is you don't fight back, which is. It's crazy to imagine, like, if you're getting Attacked or if you see somebody else getting attacked, what do you mean you don't fight back? And the reason is not because the activists could get hurt. It's because if you fight back and you hurt somebody, the settlers will come back the next day and punish the village for what you did to them. So a lot of, like, activists in the past will try to be a hero. They try to step in, they try to fight the settlers, they try to get in between. And every single time it's not the activists that pay or in some cases the activist gets injured from it, obviously. But the point is the settlers then take it out on the Palestinians. So that's why you're seeing like it's completely one sided. Also they have the weapons, obviously, but just some context. I'm gonna get out here.

[Sam Seder]

No, no, no, no, no. Somebody used to document that's.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Let her in.

[Matt]

You get in.

[Sam Seder]

I am lost, Sam. And which car now next they light a car, the settlers, Israeli settlers at that point, then light a car on fire.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah, they torched a couple cars. But like, it's like, so after I help get the injured woman into a car, there's like settlers still kind of hovering, but they're like starting to disperse and go back up the hill because they've gotten close to the village now where they might actually meet like a larger group of people than them. And so then I see just this car up in flames. I think it's the car that had been smashed earlier, but I actually don't know what car was. But I mean, after it was over, it was just like it was carnage. I mean, there were just people screaming, like so many people hurt. And I just want to say one thing. Right before we went on, the BBC published an article about this. And like, it's pretty accurate. Like they interviewed me for it. But the IDF in their statement claims that the confrontation dispersed after they arrived. The IDF never arrived. They never came. They left right before it started. But they absolutely. Not only did they not disperse it, they, they did not show up. So again, like, imagine an event this big. Hundred over 100 settlers involved in an attack, and like the army just doesn't even show up.

[Emma Viglund]

So can you.

[Sam Seder]

I'm sorry.

[Emma Viglund]

Yeah, no, it's all right, go ahead.

[Sam Seder]

How would they know? I mean, like, give us a sense of how they would know. Is it possible the idf, like, okay, we know that the two soldiers who are on the, presumably on the highest point in that area sped off just before this happens. Is there any other way? I mean, so you Know, there's every. There's some reason to believe that this.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Was sort of like you're asking, do they have plausible deniability? Yeah, I suppose they have plausible deniability that they did not actually know that there were a hundred settlers ready to attack, because I don't have a smoking gun that proves it. But they have no plausible deniability that they did not know that there was a settler with a gun waiting there for.

[Sam Seder]

Right, right.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

In all likelihood, he was the one who then went and signaled to the others that it was time to come.

[Emma Viglund]

So.

[Sam Seder]

So they knew something was. Was potentially going down there.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

And then. And then once it starts, there's sirens because cars are being crushed and exploded. There's like tons of shouting. There's a Palestinian fire truck, so there's sirens. Like the IDF is around. They were just there. So, like, I don't know, it's hard to imagine why. And by the way, I stayed for like an hour after it was done, and they never showed up.

[Sam Seder]

Okay.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

They never came.

[Emma Viglund]

Well, I guess that kind of leads us into the. The. The moment where we zoom out a little bit, because yesterday when this had happened to you, you know, we were on our page and other shows were trying to get the word out because basically the US Embassy had declined to protect you, and you are a constituent of Senator Chuck Schumer, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, and I believe, Representative Goldman. Right. So we were tagging them and all this stuff because the United States government represented, you know, by Mike Huckabee, Christian Zionist, in. In. In Israel, as the Israeli ambassador. They were basically declining to help you.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah, I mean, remember, this is a mostly Palestinian American village. These are American citizens, every bit as American as me. So, like, me being there actually shouldn't change anything for them. Like they should all. And. And in my text exchanges with the embassy guy, he acknowledges that there's 60,000 Palestinians in the West Bank. So, like, right off the bat, Palestinian Americans. Yes, Palestinian Americans. Yeah, so. So, yes. Sorry. Yes. So right off the bat, they've been ignoring terrible violence against Palestinian Americans for years, they admit. And now I'm them as frankly, like, let's just be real, like a white person who. Who lives full time in America. I'm probably more American to a lot of people in our government. And so basically what happened was I can't remember exactly how, but, like, somebody. Somebody was sent. The video just, like, immediately started going viral and my phone started blowing up. And then, like, somebody from the village had contacted the US Embassy, and somebody from the embassy to speak to me. So I get on the phone with someone. He was talking to me, not in my capacity as a journalist, but in my capacity as a American tourist there. So, unfortunately, I can't use his name. But he tells me on the phone when we speak, bro, this is terrible, man. I saw the video. That's so fucked up. I mean, he's, like, really, like, growing out with me. He's saying all the right things. He's like, these settlers, man, they just. This and that. Like, just, like, really, like, putting on an act that this is. He's like, this is just. He's like, enough is enough. Like, we, like, we're gonna stop this. And I'm like, okay, great. So, like, you're gonna come in and provide protection for the people in the village because, you know they're under attack. And he's like, I gotta have a couple internal meetings, and then I'll be back in touch. And then the next text exchange is when we text and you get one.

[Sam Seder]

Of these for the next hour, two hours.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah.

[Sam Seder]

And what was the text? Text exchange.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

You have it on the screen. I mean, he. If you don't have it, it's okay. He basically says. I say, can I.

[Sam Seder]

He. He.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Okay. I said to him, people are going back out tomorrow to the fields. I'll be going with them. We need protection here. And he said, you got it? Okay.

[Emma Viglund]

He said, unfortunately, we've already told the Israelis that they plan to be out there again tomorrow. I'm friends with the mayor, Lafi. But then you're saying, we need protection. We are Americans.

[Sam Seder]

Wait, wait. But this is. This is interesting, though, because. Read this part about. Then again, we told the Israelis yesterday the villages would be out there today. So in other words, he's saying, like, we're doing everything we can, but we have no control over these guys. They're crazy.

[Emma Viglund]

Right, right. And then you say, we need American protection. We are Americans. Unfortunately, we simply can't do that. Much as I might personally like to. We haven't gotten the manpower. Got the manpower to protect the nearly 60k American Palestinians. And legally, were not permitted.

[Sam Seder]

So there you go. You say, I'm an American tourist. Can you protect me? And then did you get one of those? Like.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

No, no, put it up. Because there's something I want to point.

[Sam Seder]

Here it is. He writes, unfortunately, no. The protection of American citizens is always the responsibility of the host nation government, which is why we pull our embassies out of places that host nations can't or won't protect. Them Syria, Iran, Yemen, Venezuela, etc. Etc. Is doing a lot of work there.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

North Korea.

[Sam Seder]

And then you write back, are you implying that the Israeli government will protect me and the other Americans here? I don't understand. The IDF led us directly into an ambush. That's what's supposed to happen.

[Emma Viglund]

Yes, but it didn't.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

So he, so he has repeatedly in our conversation, like, said, like, well, let's be real, the Israeli government is not fulfilling their duties here. But in the same conversation he says if the host country fails to protect Americans, we pull our embassy. So like, why do we have an embassy in Israel? I mean, I'm not even trying to, you know, like make a great point here. Just, I mean, objectively speaking, they're not protecting Americans here.

[Sam Seder]

The Israeli government just did a story two weeks ago about Americans killed in Israel by Israeli forces. And not only will they not pull the embassy out, you can barely get a meeting with lawmakers who represent these people. What has struck me throughout this entire thing, and it's also, you see this in the context of the hostages as well. When there is an American Israeli as opposed to an American Palestinian, like that person becomes an icon. If they are killed in Israel, this happens on a regular basis where American citizens are completely. They're either killed, they're imprisoned, they're beat up. No, nothing, nothing by the media, nothing by the US Government. It is such an explicit manifestation of, I don't know if we want to call it racism or, or if there's some other dynamic layered on top of the racism or if the racism allows this other dynamic to happen. I don't, I, I don't know. But it's so clear. There's a, there's two different standards.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

I think it's a combination of like just pure racism, like, like Islamophobia, but also anti Palestinian racism, which is distinct. And also like combine that with just complete deference to Israel who's responsible for all these killings and these people just don't exist. I mean, like I said, I'm staying in the home of a 16 year old, an American teenager.

[Emma Viglund]

Yeah.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

We have the guy who runs the prison system in Israel openly bragging about torturing and starving prisoners, including Americans, the flotilla people. And I can't tell you how hard it's been to get any politician to pay attention to this kid who's stuck in prison.

[Emma Viglund]

Can we put up this image of him just so people know. Good. On Ayanna Pressley who put out this statement about this. I wonder honestly if some of your. She's been great on this issue regardless. But Mohammed Ibrahim, a US citizen, is being held in Israeli prison. His health is deteriorating. The circumstances are desperate. The United States must use every avenue available to secure the release of this Palestinian American child. And I just want to put that image up there because that is a child. I mean, looking at him, it's just insane. And we have no idea what is happening to him in these Israeli torture dungeons right now.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

He was supposed to spend this past summer working at the family ice cream shop in Tampa Bay. He was going to work there with his first cousin, Saifullah Mussolet. Saifullah was beaten to death by settlers a couple kilometers from here in July while Mohammed was in prison. So as far as the family knows, he doesn't know that his cousin was beaten to death or the prison guards have been taunting him with it. That also is a thing that happens. But think about that. I mean, this ice cream shop, the two people, two of the people that were supposed to be working there, first cousins, one is dead and one of them is left for dead in Israeli military detention. I mean, these are Americans. It is so absurd. And I just want to say, like, listen, right before this, I was visiting Sepulch's grave actually, and right next to him is a grave of Mohammed Shalabi, who is an 18 year old who was murdered on the same day as say Paula. He got whatever little amount of attention, say Foam got, Muhammad Shalabi got less because he's not an American. And I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but the reason I'm putting such an emphasis on these Palestinian Americans is not because their lives are more important or more valuable, but it is because when the American government refuses to step in to in any way protect their own citizens, get justice for their murder, help rescue them from torture dungeons, it goes to show just the extent of our just horrific relationship with Israel.

[Emma Viglund]

Yep.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yep.

[Sam Seder]

All right, let's play this. You posted this about 3 hours ago because appears that like things settled down probably in the wake of how far you're reporting traveled or maybe explicitly so. And I just. Let's play this. But I want to talk about the dynamic that must exist for us to. For this to be the outcome right now. And I'm curious about that. Okay, let's play this.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

It's because your video yesterday, that's why today doesn't come. The settlers.

[Unidentified Participant]

The settlers, yeah.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

That's good to know all the words.

[Sam Seder]

Saw your video yesterday that God sended you for us. Well, all right.

[Emma Viglund]

It's good to end on a little bit more.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah. Let's go to your head. Let's go to this one. Let's go to this next one. Down on the thread with the Israeli.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

This is the site of the attack yesterday. So I returned to the same olive fields, and the farmers were, like, overjoyed because they were picking their olives in peace.

[Sam Seder]

And then go below that one. Is it that one? No, this one I'm thinking of. There's. I. I haven't watched it, but you say, let's this one speak for itself. Hear this one.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Well, first to the one, actually, I think where I. The third one in the sequence. I literally, all of a sudden I'm like, oh, there's soldiers over there. And I asked somebody and he says, yeah, they're. There's soldiers and police here doing an investigation. And, you know, my immediate thought is like, well, we all know the last.

[Sam Seder]

One I put up there. No, but the one below it. The one below it in the. In the im.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah. So anyway, I. They asked me. The one below that officer comes over.

[Sam Seder]

And says, okay, yeah, okay, sorry. That's it.

[Emma Viglund]

Sorry. Yeah.

[Sam Seder]

All right, here we go.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

So this guy's filming me right now, saying that I'm here making propaganda. Sorry. It should say, I spotted the soldier who, like, lured me into an ambush. It's in the thread of the first video that you played. So if you go back to that first one you played, I think it's the third.

[Emma Viglund]

Okay, okay, we have it.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

And I regret about it because I saw the video. Yeah.

[Sam Seder]

I don't have.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

No filming.

[Unidentified Participant]

So he told us.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

This is the one. This is the one who told me, come on up. And then it's. Soon as we got there, sped off, and then the sideworks came.

[Emma Viglund]

Tomorrow.

[Sam Seder]

Tomorrow.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

I want you to.

[Sam Seder]

You coming to my station. I take your phone. Yes, sir.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Thank you. An investigation. I mean, undeniably, they were there in part. They were going around checking on the farmers, making sure they were not getting attacked by settlers. Now, is it coming from a sincere wanting to protect Palestinians place? I don't think so. I think they're chastened. I think that the coverage yesterday had an effect, and that's certainly what the locals think. I think you should. If you want to do one more, you should do the one where I say, just let. This one speaks for itself. This one's pretty fine.

[Sam Seder]

You see that one? That's the.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Okay, so this is again, like, it's the. The big oaf is the guy that I had spoken to the Day before. And the other two.

[Sam Seder]

Maybe you can't say this, but it's quite clear to me the guy's lying. I didn't know. I didn't know. We just sped off at that one moment. I mean, give me a break. And he knows. He's smart because he's also covering his face.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yep. Hey, you know, I almost got killed yesterday when he did that.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

You led me right up into an ambush.

[Sam Seder]

Oh, really? Let me adjust my mask.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

You know that you were right there and you left and I got chased by 100 settlers trying to kill me.

[Sam Seder]

I could be dead.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

I could be dead. They want to investigate the assault. Okay, yeah, yeah. You're going to be investigated, too, though, because you're part of it. Can you help them? Yeah, absolutely.

[Unidentified Participant]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

It was some propaganda. Propaganda? Yeah. I almost got killed yesterday. Is that propaganda? You saw the video. You saw the video. If, if we had.

[Emma Viglund]

Don't care.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

We just don't come here and try to protect you, but we care. Oh, and we got. So has he been arrested yet? Has he been arrested yet? The guy looking for him? And then.

[Unidentified Participant]

Okay, all right.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

People are charged to take some DNA and all those things. Yeah. But without feeling. Okay.

[Emma Viglund]

It's amazing to see how they cover their faces like that. It's very much, very short.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

But the last one is very short. But Matt put up the idea of TikTok 1, if you don't mind, because then I, I, I walk away, and I look over and I realize one of the soldiers is just straight up filming me definitely making a TikTok. Like, these are on duty soldiers. And I just catch him, like, making a video of me. So this guy's filming me right now saying that I'm here making propaganda. I got chased by 100 settlers yesterday. I almost got killed because these guys set me up. And he's over here saying I'm filming propaganda. Incredible. Incredible. Like, can we just talk about discipline for a minute? Like, why these guys shouldn't even be talking to me. Me, probably.

[Emma Viglund]

Yeah.

[Sam Seder]

I mean, I don't. That presupposes that they're not doing exactly what they're, you know, not out there to do. I mean, the way that we got a torture regime in Iraq was not because people were ordered to torture. It was rather. There's no recourse. Don't worry, guys. We're unshackling you. And that, that, that has that same feel there. And they just got pressure from some political. From somewhere within the government. Like, this is a tense, a little Bit of a tense time. So you guys gotta chill. Talk to me about that dynamic. Because it's quite clear that they can't, you know, when the guy's like, if we, you know, didn't want to, if we didn't have to be here to protect you, we could just. I mean, it's the same sort of, like, mentality of, like, it can't be a genocide because if we wanted to, we could just kill everybody with a nuke. There is international pressure. Does work to an extent. Right. Like, that's what this shows. They, they, they, they walk this line of, just how much can we get away with? Seems to be always the type of thing. And that line keeps moving.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah. So we have like the oaf in the beginning and then the TikTok guy. And then there's a third guy who I don't think we've seen these videos, but he's like, the one who's got it together. Like, he's a good talker and he was, like a nice guy just interpersonally. And he says to me, like, look, can we talk human to human? Do you mind not filming? And I was like, okay, but I'm going to be writing about it, obviously. And he's like, he's like, well, you're gonna try to spend my. Anyway, we agree to speak off the record or on background.

[Sam Seder]

And.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Basically, he says he's being very sincere or, you know, showing sincerity. He's like, you went through something very traumatic yesterday. We're very sorry that it happened. We don't like it either. These settlers cause us a lot of problems, and it made us look very bad, what you said. Like, they always accidentally say that. He's like, it made us look very bad that you said we let you into it. And I was like, I know, I know. I noticed that it made you look really bad. I'm sorry. And he's like, why did you say that? And I'm like, well, because you led me. So anyway, then they start actually disputing like, that, you know, they will claim that basically what they're saying that first they were saying, the first thing was, we don't know that. We didn't know there were settlers there. So then I reminded them that we had a conversation about it. I played them the video and I reminded them that there were two settlers waiting there in plain sight. And then they said we had other missions and we couldn't wait around to make sure that, like, every settler was gone. So we knew about those, but we didn't know about all the others, like, okay, all right, so that's what you want to say. Fine. And then basically I said, okay, so you're saying you didn't know. How do you not know there's 100 people right here? Like, there's not. Like, there were four of them and they're just sticking to we didn't know. But then coming back to, like, they really want me to revise the record to stay to say that maybe they messed up, but they did not. There was no deliberate attempt to lead us into harm's way. And like, I'm not under any illusion that suddenly, like, because this video got a lot of views, settler violence is over, obviously. But it actually reminds me of a scene from no Other Land, the documentary where Tony Blair goes to visit one of the communities in Masfa Yata and brings a day of international attention to this village that's going to be demolished. And then he leaves and they don't demolish it. And the villagers are like, look, did Tony Blair help us? Yes. He probably saved this one village for demolition. Does it solve all of our problems? Absolutely not. But it goes to show that, like, you know, Israel, as you say, Sam, they are responsive to diplomatic pressure in, like, in some ways, despite how it might look in Gaza. Like, that's why they have not killed more people. To answer that question that the genocide, genocide deniers say, it's like, because they need to maintain a certain level of standing. And so I think a video goes viral yesterday of a woman, older woman, being clubbed, unconscious. And like, I mean, and to make matters worse, there's a video of like a zombie apocalypse of settlers chasing an American. And I'm making a lot of noise about it. I think that the message got to them that, like, if there's another really. And I told them, like, I'll be here tomorrow, so we'll see what happens. I think the message came through. If tomorrow's another bad day, we might be in some trouble.

[Emma Viglund]

Well, I mean, Israel is obsessed with public perception or international perception, right? Like, you see the footage even from like the protests in Tel Aviv. The so called liberal Israelis are basically like, they'll show sympathy for Palestinians. But many times the framing is that we don't want the world to have this critique of us. And so when you can turn that vulnerability against them to your point via journalism, that's where it's, it puts them in a position where they have to respond to it.

[Sam Seder]

Let me, let me ask you this. What, what capacity does a. The idea, I mean, two Soldiers, if they had seen those hundred settlers, it would have been a different story, right? I mean, the soldiers have a lot more firepower than those settlers do at that moment. And the settlers can't afford to attack the idf, not at that moment. A, but B, what capacity, and correct me if I'm wrong on that, what capacity does the IDF have to know where those settlers came from? Right? Like, I mean, it's not like there are roving nomadic.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yes, that's a great point because actually you just reminded me, I forgot about this. The soldier who I was arguing with, the like smarter one, said to me, we don't know where the. I was like, have you arrested the guy yet? He's like, no. I'm like, why not? He's like, we don't know where he lives. And I said to him, yes we do. He lives in one of the farmhouses that's been occupied, or he lives in one of the tents that have been put up. Like, the settlers have a very clear systematic way of stealing land. What happens is they're in their settlement and then a couple of them peel off, they put a tent down and a flag, like I said before, they build an outpost. And now with this government, years later or months later, Smotrich retroactively recognizes it as a settlement. So to be clear, like these settlers who are completely out of control, like rogue, savage, the most violent of the settlers, or some of the most violent, I should say, these are the ones. Like this is why when Yinon Levi settler, murdered Auda Hathawin a couple weeks ago or a couple months ago in Umm El Kair, this is why Smotrich and a bunch of other right wing Israelis come out and say, you know, this is a Jewish pioneer. These are the people on the frontier of the, of the Jewish state. Because these violent settlers are quite literally pushing the boundaries. And so this band of savages, they are doing the government's bidding by being out here putting down roots and terrorizing Palestinians and getting them off the land. And right now it looks really bad for them, but in a couple years from now, people will forget about the woman who got clubbed in the head. And if the settlers did their job well, then they will have gotten the Palestinians out and now there'll be a respectable settlement here. And so that's, that's how it happens.

[Sam Seder]

There was a video that you took and I can't remember from when it was over the past couple of days, and I don't know where you are pointing to the guy you were with. Land and there's the hardware store and the. Which one? Which one is that? Do you remember which day that was?

[Jasper Nathaniel]

It's gonna. You can find in my, like, Instagram stories, Matt, if you want to Look, I know what you're referring to and I can explain it so well. Yeah.

[Sam Seder]

Because this is a perfect visual example of what you're talking about. How they sort of like creepingly take one sort of like 25 yards at a time, essentially.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah, Matt, I'm gonna send it to you. I'll take. Just give me. You want me to take a minute?

[Sam Seder]

Is it in your stories right now?

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah, I have your stories up here. Hold on, I'm just texting it to you, man. Sorry, Reveal.

[Sam Seder]

But that, that really, that for me was really made it clear on how this happens because it's so. It's. It's. It's hard to conceive of what's going on there, I think for Americans who have a. Just a different perception of this stuff.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

I texted to Sam and said, because, Matt, you don't have an iPhone and I don't have good service here. But. Yeah, so while you're hopefully getting it, I'll explain what it is. So we're looking out. Actually, I'm in Term as I. So the town that we've been talking about, and we're looking out at the Shiloh settlement on one side and the other settlement, Adeid, and then all this agricultural land in between Termisaya and the two settlements. And this is the land that has been basically taken by the settlers. Did you get it, Matt or Sam?

[Sam Seder]

It hasn't come through yet.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Okay.

[Emma Viglund]

All right.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Well, it's okay.

[Sam Seder]

Your explanation, I think will cover.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah. My Instagram stories. It would be in the Ramala district stories. Let me just explain. Explain what it is. It's okay. So basically there's a bunch of like shelves of buildings, but like really nice looking buildings because again, it's like a wealthy area. And the guy who I'm with, who's Yassir, the farmer that I've been with, is pointing at each of these buildings and explaining to me what it was supposed to be. So this one over here was somebody building a house for his family, and before they could finish it, the settlers started coming and threatening them. And now the settlers are literally using it as a base. This one over here is a local hardware store. Owner was ready to open up a second location. He wanted to do it in the olive fields, which is obviously a place where somebody might need to go to get farm Tools. And before he gets to finish it, the settlers take it over. So, like, point by point, they are just taking each of these things that the. The Palestinians have actually built. Did you get it?

[Sam Seder]

I got it. Let's. I sent it to you.

[Emma Viglund]

Oh, my God.

[Sam Seder]

By the time. Don't hold that up, because if there's a.

[Matt]

If there's a number on there.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah. No, there's no phone numbers. Okay.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Yeah. And perfect.

[Emma Viglund]

Yes, this is perfect.

[Unidentified Participant]

The left. This is how it all starts. Starts with a tent, then it becomes a container. Then the container becomes multiple containers. They put up the flag, this regular flag, and all of a sudden it becomes there, that building over there.

[Sam Seder]

Oh, go keep it.

[Emma Viglund]

All right. Yeah, that building.

[Unidentified Participant]

It used to be for a home supply store. Building supplies, construction. Another company, which is in the middle of the town, wanted to construct another location here, further away from the center of the town. And war erupted and they could not continue. And all of a sudden it. It now has the Israel.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

So the. The frame for that building was a hardware store being built by somebody in the town.

[Unidentified Participant]

Somebody in the town. These two buildings. This building right here. Yeah, this building. They're closest to us. The owner cannot finish it because every time he. He does any plumbing next come in and they steal the pipes or they steal the hoses. That building, that building, it's residential apartments. The owner cannot finish it. The settlers are constantly inside, attacking it, breaking things inside it. So.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

And one other thing that I did not capture in that video is they stole all of the grape vines or the grape plants. And this pissed me off so much, they opened up a winery. So there is now a brand of wine that ships to the U.S. by the way, what's it called? It's called Shiloh Winery, and it has great reviews on Google, which also pissed me off. Like the winery itself, which of course is, you know, open to non Palestinians only. So they are now making wine off of stolen Palestinian grapes and selling it and profiting off it, obviously. Meanwhile, Palestinians are not even allowed to dig for water. So it's just. And this view. Actually, though, Sam brings up one other point I want to make about the town, which is that this town is unusual because, like I keep saying, they have money. And these people, for the most part, maybe with some exceptions, they don't rely on olives as, like, their primary income. So their livelihood does not depend on being able to get to the olive groves like it does in so many other places that I've been. However, when you ask them, when you ask the farmers, like why do you keep going out, risking your life over it? You know, it is a pride thing, in part. I think a lot of people know that the olive tree has a lot of symbolic value to Palestinians, too. It takes a very long time to grow. But there's also a very practical thing, which is that the settlers, like, in that view you were showing Sam, they started at the two settlements, they took a little bit of land, they took a little more land, they started occupying these buildings, they took a little more. They're almost at the village. And the people in the town feel that if they don't go out into the fields and put up some level of resistance, even if it means just being there, then it's a matter of time before the settlers overtake the village. And when I tell you there are beautiful homes in this place, I mean, I have no doubt that the settlers are, you know, their mouths are watering over the opportunity to kick people out of these homes. So it really is like an existential threat to what is, like, a pretty wealthy, largely American community. And, like, we're literally talking about the people that you see in that attack video that we showed earlier. So, like, that's what they're up against, and that's who America is just completely refusing to defend them against. And that's why I think this place in particular is so interesting. Like, if these people are now as vulnerable as they are, just imagine the shepherding communities, the Bedouin communities, I mean, they are utterly defenseless. And, I mean, it really is just, like, a sign of just how grave things are that the most privileged parts of the west bank are now experiencing the same type of ongoing, regular, deadly violence, land theft. And the US government and the Israeli government are deeply complicit in it. And the only hope, just to go by what the Palestinians say at least, or the ones that I know, is to keep telling their story. And I know that's, like, cliche. And it's like, well, did it get us anywhere with Gaza? I mean, it kind of did, because, like, if there was not the enormous wave of public opinion shifting, the genocide probably never would have ended. And the thing is, you're not seeing that with the west bank at all. There's very, very little noise about the West Bank. So while there's this ceasefire in Gaza that we're all supposed to be celebrating, which, by the way, I'm behind on news, I hear Israel is back to bombing there. But even so, in the two days of quiet, such as it existed, west bank was as bad as it's ever been as it's ever been in terms of Israeli violence and no noise about it whatsoever from the mainstream media, from political figures and they are going to get run right off this land if that doesn't change. And so.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, well, Jasper, Nathaniel, folks can see your reporting and support your reporting at Infinite Jazz on Substack. We're going to put a link to that. Folks should also follow you either on Instagram or Twitter because the, the amplification of what you're sending out clearly at the very least is helpful in that narrow context. Hopefully some will spill over. But can't tell you how much I appreciate your coming on and the work you're doing. Really important stuff and obviously dangerous. Stay safe. Good luck with this and keep us updated.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

All right, Sam, Emma, thank you.

[Emma Viglund]

Thanks so much.

[Sam Seder]

All right, folks, we've got to take a break. Buckets and buckets. Isn't the ceasefire over? It certainly seems like it. Apparently an Israeli bulldozer went over on an exploded ordinance and they decided to blame that on Hamas. Trump has also conceded that Israeli backed gangs in Gaza were firing at Israel to stir things up. But that, you know, the bottom line is Israel just continues to bomb innocent civilians.

[Matt]

At least give me a month so I can pose for the Nobel Prize, please.

[Sam Seder]

So, but it's also fascinating that you would presume, I mean, we all assume like, oh, okay, he's whatever, however many miles away, you know, an hour's drive from the Gaza Strip. But the, the way the news works within the context of, of Israel is I don't think they, they don't cover such things in any way that the Israeli public would have information and certainly not in just the West Bank. Again, we'll put that link up to Jasper's substack. Support him, frankly, I think he should have a system of backup cameras, but. All right, we're going to take a break, head into the fun half. Don't forget, just coffee co op today in lieu of of membership call go support Jasper's work on Substack. That would be helpful. Matt. Left reckoning.

[Matt]

Yeah, left reckoning. We had a Sunday show for members yesterday. Patreon.com left reckoning. We got into some stuff with Zoran and him and this final stretch of the campaign and also talked about Graham Platner who is good and is going to be the next senator for Maine.

[Sam Seder]

All right, quick break. Fun half. Three months from now, six months from now, nine months from now. And I don't think it's going to be the same as it looks like in six months from now, and I don't know if it's necessarily going to to be better six months from now than it is three months from now, but I think around 18 months out, we're going to look back and go like, wow.

[Matt]

What?

[Sam Seder]

What is that going on? It's nuts. Wait a second. Hold on. Hold on for a second. Emma. Welcome to the program.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Matt. What?

[Sam Seder]

What is up, everyone? Fun hack. No, me ke. You did it, Fun hack.

[Emma Viglund]

Let's go, Brandon.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Let's go, Brandon. Fun Bradley.

[Sam Seder]

You want to say hello? Sorry to disappoint everyone. I'm just a random guy. It's all the boys today.

[Emma Viglund]

Fundamentally false. No. I'm sorry.

[Matt]

Women.

[Sam Seder]

Stop talking for a second. Let me finish.

[Emma Viglund]

Where is this coming from?

[Unidentified Participant]

Dude?

[Sam Seder]

But. Dude, you want to smoke this? 7A.

[Emma Viglund]

Yes.

[Sam Seder]

Hi, me. Yes. Is this me? Is it me? It is you. If it's me. Hello, it's me. I think it is you. Who is you? Every single freaking day. What's on your mind?

[Jasper Nathaniel]

We can discuss free markets and we can discuss capitalism.

[Sam Seder]

I'm gonna discuss that. Like libertarians. They're so stupid. Though common sense says, of course.

[Emma Viglund]

Gobbledygook.

[Sam Seder]

We nailed him.

[Emma Viglund]

So what's 79 plus 21?

[Sam Seder]

Challenge.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Man, I'm positively quivering.

[Sam Seder]

I believe 96. I want to say 8, 5, 7, 2, 1, 0, 35. 500. 1, 1 half.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

3, 8, 9, 11 for $3,400.

[Emma Viglund]

1900 dollars.

[Sam Seder]

5, 4, 3 trillion dollars. Sold. It's a zero sum game.

[Emma Viglund]

Actually. You're making me think less of.

[Sam Seder]

But let me say this, call it satire.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Sam goes satire on top of it all.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah. My favorite part about you is just.

[Emma Viglund]

Like every day, all day, like everything you do.

[Sam Seder]

Without a doubt. Hey, buddy. We see you. All right, folks, folks, folks.

[Emma Viglund]

It's just the week being weeded out. Obviously.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah. Sun's out, guns out. I. I don't know.

[Emma Viglund]

But you should know.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

People just don't.

[Sam Seder]

Like to entertain ideas anymore. I have a question. Who cares? Mao chat is enabled, folks. I love it.

[Emma Viglund]

I do love that.

[Sam Seder]

Gotta jump. Gotta be quick. I gotta jump.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

I'm losing it, bro.

[Sam Seder]

Two o'.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Clock.

[Sam Seder]

We're already late and the guy's being a dick, so screw him. Sent to a gulag.

[Emma Viglund]

Outrageous.

[Sam Seder]

Like, what is wrong with you? Love you.

[Jasper Nathaniel]

Bye.

[Sam Seder]

Love you. Bye. Bye.