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The Majority.
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Report with Sam Cedar where every day casual Friday that means Monday is casual. Monday, Tuesday casual Tuesday, Wednesday casual hump day. Thursday casual thirst, that's what we call it. And Friday casual Shabbat.
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The Majority Report with Sam Cedar.
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It is Friday, November 7th, 2025. My name is Sam Cedar. This is the five time award winning Majority Report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, usa. On the program today, Ryan Grim, co founder and reporter at Dropsite News, also co host of Breaking Points. Also on the program today. He'll of course wrap up this week that was and what a week it was. Meanwhile Trump regime does an emergency appeal, an emergency appeal to the order to fund food stamps. In other words, that they may have to fund food stamps is an emergency. Government shut down day 38 Democrats still united in the Senate. It would have been a government jobs report day but because of that shutdown, all we know US companies announced most October job cuts in over 20 years. This as consumer sentiment is at three year lows and nearly all time lows. You remember three years ago we were just coming out of COVID Republican senators vote, I should say the COVID lockdowns. Republican senators vote down resolution to block military assault on Venezuela. Federal judge in Chicago issues an injunction that restricts the use of force by ICE. This as ICE is now detaining a record 66,000 people. Lee Stefanik launches a Republican bid for New York state. Governor reports that the cbo, the Congressional Budget Office is believed to be hacked by an unnamed foreign actor. Remember that sandwich guy took the brutal action of throwing a sandwich at a completely buffed out ICE thug? Well, he is the latest detainee to be found not guilty of assault on ice. Congresswoman Nancy Mace countersued by her ex fiance over her accusations as Republican House members begin to label her as crazy Broadway musicians and strike and approve new contract. All this and more on today's Majority report. Nassau county spokesperson says Michael Blake is primary Richie Torres. Did you not mention that yesterday? Oh, all right. How we did know that and in fact we were scheduled to have Michael Blake on yesterday, but because of scheduling conflicts, we're going to have him on Tuesday. Michael Blake ran for mayor. Was he, was he, did he run for mayor? Yes, it seems like ages ago. And he is going to be running against Richie Torres. We are abt around here. Sorry, anybody but anybody but Torres.
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Abt you guys can hear me now. Yeah, I have my mic plugged in so I was doing a pre tape. Sorry about that. My fault, my fault. Hello.
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Hello.
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Nobody was saying it was anybody else's fault. Emma Viglin. Friday.
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Yep, it's definitely Friday.
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It's been quite a week. We were just talking off mike about how we can't even believe the election was this week.
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10 day week.
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I know, I know. And I had my move too. So I'm running on fumes here. But I will be out next week, by the way. I'm going to be on a little vacation slash. Also look out for me on some shows out west. I'm going to be doing a little bit of a tour.
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We'll have some fun. I'll see you out the trail.
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Potentially Ponzi of America. Potentially higher learning. Potentially some Others.
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What?
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You don't need to put them out in case it doesn't happen.
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Well, they're booked. I'm just, like, being almost superstitious about, like, say there's like a conflict and then I can't go on there. But that's.
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How many schedules run at the same time Marshall does?
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I am not sure, but forgot to check. Forgot to check that.
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That's a little uncomfortable.
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So watch this space. AKA probably my Instagram and.
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Or Twitter potentially. Tyt. Is that possible that you.
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Yeah, I. I hit him up and, you know.
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Have you not heard back?
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I texted Anna, like, hey, girl, I know it's been a while, but let's link up.
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Guys can talk football. Rotisserie. Okay, we don't call it rotisserie anymore. We got fantasy. Is that what it's. Fantasy football?
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Yeah.
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I had no idea what you meant.
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I had no idea what you meant.
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I just got rotisserie baseball. No. Are you serious? No idea? That's what the. Originally it was called, like, the whole fantasy genre of football. Baseball, whatever. It was originally started as rotisserie baseball.
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Is this like, pre Internet?
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It may have been, yeah. And guys, I knew the guy who was part of that, and I think it was like, at a rotisserie chicken place. Kentucky Fried Football. Yeah, I know. I still call it rotisserie leagues. And I guess that may be a little bit dated now, but 30 years ago, it was a rotisserie going through my rotisserie league team at.
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In the commissary.
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All right, let's get into this. The. As you know, Zoran Mandani won the mayoral election two or three days ago. I think you might know that.
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Yep.
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And he did so under the banner of affordability, and then had a very, very clear. Was a five point plan, four point plan. I can't remember off the top of my head. I can't. I've never added them up. But freeze the rent control, apartment rents, free buses, also child care, and gosh, I'm still suffering from.
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Those are the three big ones.
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Those are the three biggest. And. And so he has this three point plan. And. But affordability became a buzzword amongst Democratic candidates. You started hearing it was a.
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For the Democratic Party to bridge a gap or bridge the gap between the more establishment centrist types and Zoram Mamdani without actually addressing what affordability means within Mamdani's campaign, which means taxing the rich to achieve those ends. I spoke about this yesterday at the start of the show, but we're going to Hear from Trump in a second. Republicans are going to start talking about affordability. And it's really incumbent upon the Democrats to make a distinction about what they mean about providing an affordable life. And they have to offer things that the Republicans can and will not offer. Taxing the hell out of billionaires and providing social services. That's it. There's no shortcut.
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City owned grocery stores. That was the fourth point. And so here is Donald Trump now. This was on Wednesday, this is the day after the election. And he has heard the message and.
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The country is doing very well. But as Republicans, you have to talk about it. Because if you don't talk about it, you know, I saw that they kept talking about affordability. Well, Biden was a disaster with affordability. He had the highest inflation rate in the history of our country. But you have to talk about it. It's no good if we do a great job and you don't talk about it. And I don't think they talk about it enough. You know, they have this new word called affordability and they don't talk about it enough. The Democrats did and the Democrats make it up because we took over a mess.
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Think, okay, we should just tell you that the word affordability is not a new word. It has existed for at least my lifetime, I would imagine. Even prior to that, people were talking about affordability. I have watched historical documents like Mad Men and I'm quite sure they said the word affordability in the context of that show. Now, I don't know that for sure, but I seem to remember it.
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First known usage, usage 1647.
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1647. Okay, so it's relatively new in terms of the history of the planet. Right? That's like a drop in the bucket. But he's obviously talking about, you know, it's shorthand for him to say that this is something that we have to take seriously and we people should campaign on it. And one of the things you need to do is actually like, that word encapsulates a lot of what he was supposedly talking about back when he was saying inflation is rampant. Here he is, however, 24 hours later.
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You look at 25% reduction in costs for Thanksgiving between Biden and me, meaning this administration. That's a tremendous number. That's a tremendous. It's the biggest reduction in cost in the history of that chart or whatever it is. They do that. They do a synopsis process of everything. They, they cover every element of Thanksgiving meals, 25% down. So I don't want to hear about the affordability because Right now, we're much less. If you look at energy, we're getting close to $2 a gallon gasoline. With Biden, it was $4.50, $5. Another thing, inflation. We had the worst inflation in the history of our country. Now we have virtually no inflation at all. It sounded a very low number and a very normal number. So the affordability is much better with the Republicans. The only problem is the Republicans don't talk about it. And Republicans should start talking about it and use their heads, because we have great numbers. We have greatest. And they're going to only get better when all these jobs open up, all these factories open up that are being built all over our country. I mean, we are building auto plants. We're building.
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Okay, I mean, listen, he's just rambling now. Does he say at the end there, I don't want to hear about affordability.
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In the middle of it.
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We heard it. So he's off the affordability. And because. Did you know that Thanksgiving is going to be 25% cheaper this year according to Donald Trump? Let me explain what he's talking about. It also gives you some insight into how this guy's, like, brain does or does not work. Trump was touting earlier in that speech, maybe afterwards, in terms of like, the 25%. He was talking about Walmart's package Thanksgiving meal. And apparently it is 25% cheaper this year than it was last year. But the reason why it's 25% cheaper is instead of the 21 products that were in the Walmart 2024 Thanksgiving basket of goods, this year's basket contains 15 products. Listen, I'm not going to claim to be a math whiz, but that is nine fewer products, incidentally. And I guess if you, if you're counting each individual item, like each can of green beans, as opposed to like, this comes with three cans of green beans, it's 22 items versus last year's 29 items. And Walmart's great value store brand, which is like the, you know, in house, Walmart brand makes up a larger percentage of this year's basket than last year's, which included a larger proportion of brand names. So in other words, it is cheaper this year because you're getting less.
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And would cutting SNAP benefits or all but eliminating food assistance for 42 million people, as the Trump administration is trying to do. The courts are forcing them to pay up to like, I think 62% of SNAP benefits, but it's going to be less for a lot of people. 65%. Exact. Actually, does that have an impact on affordability when people's food assistance just runs dry because the Trump administration refuses to negotiate with Democrats?
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Not only is it makes it a lot less affordable for the 42 million Americans who receive food assistance, but we're going to see in addition to the increases largely in inflation in all groceries across the board, things like coffee are going out of control. There's some other areas that it's going out of control. Farmers are getting hit. When you take that money that 42 million people were injecting into supermarkets, when you take that money out, you're going to see a rise in prices because supermarkets are a volume business. The cost for a supermarket to put out 18 cans of green beans on the shelves versus 25 cans, they're not saving any money. It's a volume business. And if volume goes down, if there's less money coming in, they're going to have to make up for it because they have fixed cost, they have fixed labor costs, they have fixed overhead in terms of like the, the supermarkets, they don't save money if they put less products on the shelf. They need to move all of the products on those shelves. And so the way they make up for it is they're going to raise prices.
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And the data from that private firm that is like filling in the gap for the government data that's not available during the shutdown and has said that this month of October in terms of job losses is the worst since 2003, that over a million jobs have been cut this year. People being unemployed or underemployed is a major, major issue for affording anything. And then let alone the tariffs, which isn't even, you know, he doesn't address this, obviously, because he can't. But the average tax on US imports is up to 18% on top of when you. It would be 9% if he just had his regular tariffs, but the emergency tariffs double that. The ones that are at issue right now in front of the Supreme Court. 18% Average tax borne by Americans on US imports, up from 2.4% at the start of the year before Trump got into office. How are you tackling affordability, dude? When this whole tariff regime, I'm sure.
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There'S no, we have no government reports on it. That's the way I'm tackling it.
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It's all about him consolidating his power. And then they think in their libertarian worldview that they can basically continue to eliminate things like income taxes and do compounding sales taxes, which is how these tariffs function. On regular people. And the lower your income is, the more disproportionately you're going to be impacted by this. So iceberg ahead.
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Not changing for eight years.
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There you go. I love it. Don't take that jacket off. We need that luck. Hey, I want to start off by just saying mentioning that I know you guys at drop site are raising money. I think you hit your goal. But I have a feeling this lawsuit is going to be a little more expensive than that. You guys are being sued. Owen Jones wrote for you a piece talking about the bias of the editor or the publisher at BBC.
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A bunch of people at BBC. Yeah.
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And the bias when it came to reporting on what Israel was doing in Gaza and the BBC in Britain. The, the defamation laws are very different than they are in this country. And you guys are being sued. And I know, I mean, you guys do not have the deep pockets that the BBC has. That's, they've got the public.
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They have the public's pockets.
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Exactly.
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Although it's, it's an editor and not the BBC itself and they're currently suing only Owen. But we are doing the legal defense of it because we're in the U.S. there's some question about whether or not they'll be be able to add us directly to the lawsuit. But yeah, we've already spent about 40 grand defending this. And annoying, like, you know, legal calls and back and forths and like all these different filings. We weren't going to say anything about it, but the Telegraph broke it yesterday. And so we put up a donation page yesterday and overnight. And I haven't mentioned this before, overnight. So far we've raised more than a hundred thousand dollars.
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Oh, geez.
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So we're over what we've spent so far. Now we're in the very early stages. We're going to need more. We have liability insurance. We, the deductible is about 250. So if we can get to 250, then we won't have to basically Pay anything unless it goes over then some certain amount you buy.
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250. You don't mean 250 DOL.
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Do not. I do not. $250,000. Not sure what that is in pounds or whatever they use over there. But we also could recoup these costs if he loses and if we win and we expect that we will win. But in order to win we have to, we have to fight and we intend to. We stand by the story. So deep appreciation for everybody who gave. You can find a link. It's in my pinned on Twitter.
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We'll put the link in our podcast and YouTube description today as well.
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As independent media gets bigger and this matters I think for everybody, like you're going to see lawsuits against independent companies, whether it's shows like this or breaking points or drop site and if those are costly lawsuits, like if they lose and it turns out that independent media can fight back, like that's good for everybody.
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Yes, without a doubt. And I am, I was planning on donating before I heard that you got $100,000 and I going to continue to do that, give a little less. Now I'm gonna cut it down a couple of percentage points, but that's okay. But honestly this is really important because these type of suits are intimidation tactics and it is each time somebody wins against these type of suits, it sets a precedent that is helpful and makes sort of frivolous suits less and less likely. And by frivolous, I mean ones that are meant to drive people out of business. I mean we've seen this, right? I mean Thiel did this with Gawker and Elon Musk is doing it with Media Matters. I mean this is, this makes a big difference. So.
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And hey, if, if we win and we recoup the costs, anybody want a refund? Just email us and get your money back.
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Oh sweet. All right, well then I will make a note of that. All right, let's talk about this. This was probably the best election.
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In.
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A while for people who want Republicans to lose and like in a twist for people in the sort of like left edges of the Democratic Party who want to sort of build a. Have been working on building a more progressive wing of the party to hopefully like take over the party.
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Can you remember a off year elections like this that were this partisan? Like we know of course, 2010 with the red wave and you know, even 2018 in response to Trump. But like an off year election that is just basically uniform Democratic wins across the board. That's not a typical dynamic right outside.
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Like, who won the New York mayoral in 2017? But 2017, the first Trump year was.
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That was second. Didn't de Blasio. That was the second de Blasio.
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Second de Blasio, Yeah. That rather forgettable election.
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But.
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So if you remember, like, right after Trump, there was this huge women's March. And then 2017 and 2018, there was this huge reaction against Trump, but it hadn't really coalesced into, like, a vision for what the party would do if they took over. But now it's starting to come together a little bit. And like, with Mikey Sherrill in New Jersey in particular, an interesting case, like, the way she went after landlords who were, like, using algorithms to, like, collude. And she had this line that. Where she's like, look, I'm gonna go after them. I'm declaring a state of emergency. I'm gonna. I'm going directly at these landlords. My opponent will not. Because he gets all his money from these landlords. Like, that's the. That's it in a nutshell right there. That's the whole.
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We played that clip, I think, and she used specifically affordability, and she mentioned about landlords, and there was another word. She used the word freeze in there. Freeze.
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Freeze the utility. Freeze. Utility price.
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Utilities. Yes. And.
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Yeah. So on one in June, she. In August, she's like, freeze. Freeze the utility prices. Which. Good, great. Like, enter. Like, electricity prices are through the roof. Like, that's smart.
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And as a. As a movement, like, question, like, that's. At the end of the day, if. If the existence of Zoran Mamdani pushes, you know, the rhetoric and hopefully the actions really, of these politicians, that is a good thing because it creates a certain momentum. Right, Right.
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And I also just want to say that when we were playing the coverage on CNN of Dana Bash really excitedly playing up the big wins by Spanberger and Cheryl, which, you know, that's significant. But it's like the thesis they have is, is that, look, moderates can still win in overwhelming numbers like this, but they are completely discounting the fact that we saw swings for Latino voters and young people, and the latter of which I think are young people watching Zoran on TikTok and Instagram and getting more engaged in their politics, even if they're not in New York City, they're pretending like that's not a real thing. But Zoran's popularity has elevated races across the country, in my view. And there's no way to prove that. But that's just my thought.
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It's for, for several years now, it's been embarrassing to be a Democrat or to say that you support the Democrats. It's just, it's like a humiliating thing to say in social circles, especially among young people. But Mamdani is making it cool like, like, you know, so I think there's, I think there's something to that, that it's like he's, he's showing a path that you can actually work within the Democratic Party, advocate, you know, for something good against villains and, you know, pull it off.
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Let's talk about the sort of like second and third order implications of them. And that's, I guess this is the second order implication. But there's more. One of the biggest losers outside of Andrew Cuomo and I guess Chris Cuomo and maybe, you know, Greenblatt at the ADL and Bill Ackman has got to be Chuck Schumer. I mean, this is embarrassing now. Like it was enraging before, but now it's just like completely embarrassing. We had already seen like some, I don't want to call it mutiny, but we had seen people like Heinrich in New Mexico coming out in favor of Platner. We had seen, I think, the same thing happening in Michigan where the chosen dscc, the Democratic Senate Campaign committee choice was getting sort of snubbed. I think Adam Schiff was actually going out to, you know, talking to Mallory Morrow, not my favorite candidate there, but also not the Haley Stevens who was the sort of establishment pick. And Schumer not endorsing this guy and his non endorsement, meaning absolutely zero.
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That.
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I mean, this Schumer is sort of a, a sort of like a dead man walking in terms of his, his Senate seat. I mean, or at least that's the sense I get these days.
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And he still hasn't said who he voted for, right?
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He refuses to.
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Unless he. Yeah, and every day it's going to get harder because if he has to admit that he voted for Cuomo, as the stench around Cuomo just gets fouler and Fowler, it's going to be that much harder for him to do. You know, I had mom Donnie on our program several years ago when he was doing a hunger strike for the tech for the over the taxi cab medallion issue he was playing. He was doing an inside outside thing with Schumer at the time. Like they were a pair. Like they were. The two of them led that fight together. So Schumer is not like new to this guy. He doesn't know every single assembly member necessarily. But like, this is somebody Ryan, you.
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Know you can do the hunger strike with somebody and still not really know them deeply inside.
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Yes, I guess so. I don't think Schumer did the hunger strike, by the way. I think he was.
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Well, you can see somebody do a hunger strike and not know them deeply.
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But yeah, I mean, clearly he had a balancing act where he's trying to raise national money to run these Senate campaigns. And just from the pure political side of it, clearly he felt like it was gonna hurt him in his efforts to do fundraising at the national level if he endorsed him or was campaigning with him. But at some point you have to go some level of leadership and just tell your donors, like, look, he won the Democratic nomination.
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What am I gonna do? Right? What am I gonna do?
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Like, I'm not doing Cuomo, right?
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But that's where he's ill equipped. This is the problem. Like the, like, when we're blessing that what we're. When we're like talking about how to rebuild the Democratic Party, the leader only being focused on fundraising from big money donors. And many of them are Zionists who are just outright racist about Mount Ghana. I mean, we have to be speaking about this in those terms. They are Islamophobic and they are racist towards him. And that is their attitude like that. This is hurting the party's brand in so many different ways that, like, it's also hurting their ability to be a durable coalition in opposition to him. Because it's not just what Mamdani stands for in policy that is important, it's what he stands for and how you do politics. Having volunteer armies, engaging voters that are non traditional voters, and the whole infrastructure that builds up. Chuck Schumer, the donor class and the consultant class is invested in not doing that kind of politics. They're invested in ads and fees that are not about people power. It's about consulting. And so it's Chuck Schumer's inability to endorse Mamdani is indicative of him clinging onto an old way of doing politics that has destroyed us, that has led us to this fascist moment.
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But it's also in his self interest in the sense that he could actually match the big dollar donors at this point with angry small dollar donations from Democrats across the country. You could probably exceed, you know, what you're able to get from these, you know, giant, you know, you know, $20,000 plate fundraisers that he does. But then, then who is he and what's his role exactly? The party that's funded by grassroots donors is not going to necessarily pick him as their leader.
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Right.
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And so in order for him to stay on top, he has to keep the old structure in place.
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And it also, I think, sort of like, it's, it doesn't take many steps to sort of say, like, wait, now, wait a second. Haven't we heard over and over again that these donors don't dictate what you do? Like, I mean, it's so sort of like basic that we forget to sort of just say that. One question of like, there is no calculation that you can come up with where it doesn't make sense for Chuck Schumer to endorse Mamdani unless he is explicitly being told not to by his donors and has no ability, like you say, to push back on the donors and just say like, hey guys, I'm going to jam here. Even at the end of the day, it's going to be better. I'm going to be a better tool for you if I endorse this guy. Then if I hang myself out on a limb and you're making me saw off the limb that you put me on, he doesn't even the ability to do that. I mean, this is like, it's not just sort of corrupt in the, in a sort of, you know, like more general sense of the word. It's also just wildly incompetent. Like, you know, do your corruptness well, buddy. That's what Andrew Cuomo was able to do in a lot of respects. Like, he built the whole IDC as a way of making it not look like he was just doing Ken Langone's business. And it made, made it more obtuse, I think. But Chuck Schumer doesn't even have the ability to do that, which I find fascinating. But let's also talk about like, the, the, the more impacts from this because. And not obviously just Mamdani's election, but the Democrats won as far as I can tell. And still things are, you know, drip, drip, drabbing in. Like, I don't know, some. The Moms of Liberty lost in every school board election across the country. They've lost, lost all of them or, you know, some board in, you know, aside from the state board in Georgia. Like, you're seeing this all over the place. Like they, everything, they can't find one loss. And in the days before the election, there was a lot of reporting that there were eight Democratic senators who were in the mix to cave on the shutdown. And just today they, they scuttled another attempt by the Republicans to do it. And it seems obvious to me that, like, the size of this wind is why the government is still shut down, because they, like, we can't come up with any justification. It's like they, they, the Democrats are befuddled by the fact that it's working.
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B
Yes, I think that these, A lot of the senators were running on fumes into the election and were, like you said, they were close to being like, okay, like, we, we put up our fight time to, you know, now the exchanges are open. You know, we made our point. Time to open things back up. But with, yes, with the election and with Trump freaking out about, is he for affordability? Is he. Forget about affordability. Does he now? He wants to get rid of the filibuster, but Republicans in the Senate don't want to get rid of the filibuster. And so Republicans are then actually kind of pressured to come some sort of deal because they want to get a deal done before Trump forces them to get rid of the filibuster. Like, they don't want to get rid of the filibuster. They don't have the votes to get rid of the filibuster. So all of this pressure from Trump to get rid of it is just. Is bad for them. They would like to move beyond that and get it done. Also, Like, I still don't understand why Republicans won't just do it. Like, you're the party in power. It's going to hurt you when people are paying $4,000 a month for their premiums because you fought to make sure their premiums are $4,000 a month. Like, since when does Trump care about the deficit? It seems like just ego for him. He just keeps saying, I'm not going to extort it. I'm not going to do it under pressure.
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C
Like, well, he's deluded, Ryan. I mean, he's literally.
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A
Wait, you're asking, why don't Republicans just do. Yeah, why don't they?
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C
Just because he doesn't care about the future of the Republican Party. This is like a, his, this whole second term was motivated by spite, a desire to stay out of prison. And, like, now that he's in power, does he, he doesn't see a future. He knows he's dying. Like, at some point, you know, he's up there and he doesn't think about the future of the Republican Party or thinks basically, I think probably so highly of himself that if they just stay close to him, they can weather out the midterms. Or actually, it's probably this. They think that they can gerrymander their Way out of it. And now his response to this is let's go after mail in voting. Because he understands what this is gonna mean.
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B
Yeah. He also doesn't seem to mind when Republicans lose when he's not on the ballot.
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C
Yep.
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B
Because. And he even posted about that a couple times. Oh, Trump not on the ballot, Republicans lose. Like he sort of. Cuz it feeds his narcissism and his celebration of himself to see Republicans suffer when, when he's not actually on the ballot.
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A
Let's talk about this in terms of like the filibuster because the, the, the, I mean I'm of two minds about the filibuster. I have wanted to get rid of the filibuster for a long time. This is the way that political parties, Democrats and Republicans, hide what their agenda is. And it gives them the excuse. It sort of functions in the same way the IDC did in New York State, which is like I wanted to vote for, you know, the pro act, but you know, or you know, we should definitely, you know, cut every department, whatever it is. But you know, the filibuster, that type of thing. Here is Steve Bannon now one of the. And I imagine you have a similar notion of this. I think Trump is going to use Mamdani's win as a predicate. He would have done it anyways, but he's going to use it as a predicate to send federal troops into New York City, on top of which I got to think that they are going to get. They're very nervous about the results across the country and the Democratic sweeps here because what is the opportunity to win in the midterms for them? Like it's narrowed significantly in terms of like what these numbers show. And with California, with California passing Prop 50 and Maryland saying they're going to redistrict and this sort of like the Democrats redistricting is going to mitigate some of what the Republicans are doing. And the Republicans redistricting in an environment like we see now could very well end up costing them more seats than it gains them. Right. Because they have to dilute their. Sure. Their plus 15 seats go down to like a plus seven. And all of a sudden Texas, with.
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C
The Latino vote, if it flips in the way it did in Jersey, they're, they're asking, they're going to lose seats.
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A
In Texas after this redistricting. So there's going to be, I don't know if it's Miller or vote or who, whomever. There's going to be some panic because Democrats Controlling one or two of the houses in Congress is definitely like an obstacle to their agenda. You know, you can't completely stop them, but you can make it much more difficult. Here's Steve Bannon basically articulating that, calling for the Senate to get rid of a filibuster so that they can actually, like, you know, get into the getaway car and get going before the midterms.
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F
And I will tell you right now is God is my witness, if we lose the midterms and we lose 20, 28, some in this room are going to prison, myself included. They're not going to stop. They are getting more and more and more radical, and we have to counter that. And what do we have to counter it with? We have to counter it with more action, more intense action, more urgency. We're burning daylight. If you look across every aspect of this, we have to codify what President Trump has done by executive order.
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B
Right?
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F
We have to codify it. And people say, well, they're just going to be messing with Bill's campaign Senate. We got to put aside these structural barriers and get on with it. President Trump today gave to the Senate when they came over for breakfast, even Lindsey Graham, some of the guys he liked, and some of these institutions. I understand this is a very tough decision to make. And you're going to see some people in the conservative movement that not in a million years, because I talked to him today, quite frankly. I had Hawley on the show this morning, Josh Hawley, and he's talking about it. I'm trying to play the institution.
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A
Well.
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F
Well, they called me up this afternoon and said, let's go through the 10 reasons we need to do it. And these are heavy hitters on what I would call the constitutional, limited government constitutionalists in our movement. And they're about to come out over the next couple days and make this argument because I said, look, we have to understand that if we don't take this to the maximum, a maximalist strategy now with a sense of urgency, and in doing this, seize the institutions. If we don't do that now, we're gonna lose this chance forever. Cause you're never gonna have another Trump. Right? You're just not gonna.
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A
Starting from the end, working forward. I remember, you know, a couple years ago where Bannon was like, Trump is just the beginning of this. This is a real movement and blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera. I think he knows, like, we are watching sort of like 3/4 maximalist type of situation here. They thought things were going to go better at this point and it's, things are going sideways for Trump and so he knows this is it, this is the opportunity because the blowback from this hopefully will be huge. So I don't know where are you on this? Because if they get rid of the filibuster, there's a lot of stuff they can do that. I mean, if I was them, that's what I would do. I would get rid of the filibuster. Because this is, this could be their big last bite at the apple. But it's going to mean the next 11 or 12 months is going to be the, we're going to be at peak authoritarianism, peak brutality by ice, peak. Like we're going to see really, really radical stuff over the next 12 months.
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B
I think agree with you. If I were them, I'd be saying the same thing as, as Bannon is saying up there. And, and it does go to show that he's not as confident that this is going to be a 50 year, you know, permanent majority, you know, as, as he was before. And part of it is a significant reason for that, is that they're wrecking the economy like, and unnecessarily and deliberately. Like they, they took over a growing and, you know, pretty solid economy, a lot of people suffering in it. But like, relative to where it's been over the decades, it was going well and through the, just the chaotic policies. So how many, you know, thousands, you know, hundreds of thousands of, you know, federal workers, you know, undone tariffs, put on, taken off, put on, taken off, putting, you know, enormous numbers of businesses out of business now they might get overturned entirely. We don't see the BLS data because the government is shut down. But the word, you know, from the, you know, private people who are trying to counting this is that you're seeing job losses that we haven't seen in 20 years. Mortgage interest rates are still high. The one thing he's got is that the Fed is probably going to cut rates, but that's only because he keeps undermining the strength of the economy. If that goes on for another year, the Senate is really in play. I think if Republicans lost, if they lose the House and keep the Senate, that's maybe even better for them because then they can, two years from now, blame Democrats for whatever they're doing. But they could, they could even lose the Senate. Like the Iowa is in like one of the worst depressions that it's been in.
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A
Patola is up a couple of points in and, you know, we're way out from the election. But in Alaska, I personally think that Platner is going to beat Janet Mills and I think it's going to beat Susan Collins by even more.
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B
Right.
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A
Then he will beat Janet Mills, frankly.
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B
Yeah, that's. That gets 50.
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A
Yep.
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B
And then maybe Jared Brown. That's a, it's a tough call. North Carolina. Is North Carolina up? I think North Carolina.
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A
Roy Cooper's running in North Carolina. I mean, there's, there is, there's opportunity for that to be eked out in some fashion.
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C
And so, and frankly, I think that the Republicans are making. Made a mistake. Not Marjorie Taylor Greene verse Ossoff. Like, were they running another college football coach? I mean, it's just insane. Like, I pretty sure they are. It's just they're, they, they're tripling down on more establishment Republicans at the time where the base is not that interested in that.
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A
Yeah, she's gonna be out there. She's gonna take a huge chunk out of that guy in Georgia because she's so mad that she didn't get, she didn't get Trump's blessing. I mean, yeah, talk about. I hate to be a little bit hackneyed here, but she scorned and she is taking it out on him in a big, big way.
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B
But let's get into seeing that coming. Yeah. Marjorie Taylor Green, she seems such a stable.
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A
Yeah, I've always thought of her and Nancy Mace is the two people you could always count on.
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C
Well, I mean, she was praising Nancy Pelosi on CNN yesterday.
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B
Yeah, I'm a Marjorie T. Lately, that's for sure. Yeah.
- [52:33]
C
She's really trying to make herself seem less radical and insane.
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B
I knew she would get dunked on by the right for that. But what she said about Pelosi, she was clear. She's like, I'm just talking about her effectiveness. Like, she's good at getting stuff done. And as somebody who is critical of what Pelosi got done a lot of the time, I'll say that she had incredible tactical and strategic political skill.
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A
She never lost a vote. She would never bring a vote to the floor that she wasn't going to win.
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C
But, but like, just compare that to Marjorie Taylor Greene, Ron. Around the halls of Congress, Congress, seemingly a little drunk. I don't know if that's the case. And opening AOC's mail slot and going, hey, Sandy, Hey. Or whatever. Like she's trying to make herself seem less insane. And it seems like she's doing a good job.
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B
And she's doing a good job. Pretty easy to come down from that True.
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A
Yeah, you can. That can turn on a dime. So too obviously, you know, and we're going to talk more about the tariffs next week on the program. And the Lutnick sons, Uday and Koussay, I think is their name. They are, they are primed to, to make, I want to say millions, but I feel like it could be, there could be a B associated with this because they bought up all of those sort of like, you know, tariff IOUs, recruitment, recoupment, coupons. And I think the Supreme Court. There are two areas where the Supreme Court is going to protect and that's going to be the Fed and it's going to be their buddies who are, you know, standing to lose because of the tariffs. So we'll see about that. But I want to also talk the.
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B
Witcraft boys out there scraping bitcoin from every tin pot dictator around the country.
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A
I mean, the amount of, the amount of enrichment by, you know, I don't know, maybe a thousand people who are, it's just, I think we're never going to fully understand the size of this sort of like extraction, but. And it's weird that it's almost like a secondary or third issue. Like, oh, yeah, no, they're robbing everybody blind. But that's actually not the biggest problem that we have.
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B
Right.
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A
It's the authoritarianism. And so, I mean, let's just. I wanted to stay with this scenario where they do get rid of the filibuster, where they do. Where. Because there's a big fight going on that is somewhat submerged on the right. And it's all around like, the issue of Israel and Gaza very well may have cost Kamala Harris the election. You know, we can never know these things for sure, but it's clearly, it clearly created a huge cleave within the Democratic coalition. And you see what happens to the youth vote with someone who recognizes the reality of what's going on with Israel and Gaza versus, you know, what we saw just 12 months ago. And it's not like anything happened over the course of the past 12 months that was fundamentally different than what we saw at this time in 2024. But, but it's also functioning on the right and it's becoming a cleave on the right now. You know, where those lines are drawn. I am sort of unclear. It's not necessarily that there's a huge conscience for the, for the Palestinians, but there is a burgeoning anti Semitic, anti Semitism that has found a good vehicle here to articulate this stuff on the right. And this stuff at Heritage. I want to just play this clip. This is a leaked video and we can talk about like, sort of who wanted to leak this where. Kevin Roberts, who had come out a week ago in this weird non sequitur video that seemed to come out of nowhere.
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B
Right. Like, like, who is asking like that meme? Everyone. Kevin Rogers.
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A
Yeah, exactly. Like, what are you talking about? He came out with a video saying, we, we, it's America first. We're not going to kowtow to Israel. And then, and then like, just like bizarrely, we're also not going to cancel Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes. And then people are just like, what?
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B
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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A
Exactly. And apparently at the Heritage foundation, they have some Israeli supporters and Israel supporters at the Heritage foundation, and they also have Jewish people working there and other people who still cling to the notion that we're only supposed to use that stuff for the base. We're not supposed to believe it ourselves.
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B
It's okay for Muslims and Hindus, but come on.
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A
Yeah, we're not doing like.
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B
And our Judeo Christian. What? Come on.
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C
No, but that's it. But that's it. It's the Christian nationalists. It's the Christian nationalists. That's. Who are like reasserting themselves.
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B
The Christian nationalists hate that term. Judeo Christian.
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C
Yep.
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B
They're like, stop with this.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Yes, it's. It's Christianio. Christian.
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B
Christian Christian.
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A
It's Christian Christian. And Kevin Roberts is one of these Christian nationalists, just like Russell Boat, who came out of that oper there. And it seems like there's people at the Heritage, like, you know, we don't see this as much, but apparently there has been a lot of turmoil about this. So six or seven days in, Roberts has to do a video in front of like the extended Heritage foundation family. It was a struggle session. Right. Like they're asking him questions and a lot of people are saying stuff like this. Let's play this one. And we have one or two questions that, that were asked there just to give you a sense of how deep this is going within the right wing circles.
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F
What is the role of someone who is doing this, who is mainstreaming, who's mainstreaming a neo Nazi Stalinist online and.
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A
Who believes that Churchill was the cause of World War II.
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F
What role does that person have inside the conservative movement? Looking back to what Bill Buckley told.
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A
Us at the very beginning of this movement? That's my question. Robert Rector.
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G
I love you. Thank you.
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C
I love you.
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G
I agree with you. And one thing, there'd be a lot of things to say. But in. So we can get to another question. But I want to address your fair question. I can speak to Heritage's role, which I see very clearly now, one of the lessons learned six days in, and that is we do what we've always done, which is to confront those noxious ideas. And secondly, to be clear, that Fuentes, people like Fuentes, they aren't conservatives. There's no way that that can be.
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B
I don't think so.
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G
Construed that way, or at least in a way that's persuasive. But we also, and this is not disputing what you've said, but adding to it a tactical desire. We have to understand that in 2025, that evil person Fuentes, although I still have hope for his soul, has an audience of several million people, and at least some of that audience might be open to be converted. My video didn't do that, although the intention was to open that idea, not to endorse what Fuentes is saying, but quite the opposite, to appeal to them.
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A
And so here he is saying somebody. I mean, there's so much. There's so many layers to this. But you got a guy who is a longtime Heritage foundation guy who says, you know, Buckley made a very. Made it very explicit that we police the conservative movement. Now, the reality is, and there's been a lot of stuff about Buckley has come out in the past couple of years, and people have done some deep dives. He didn't quite police them in the same way, but he made it seem like he was policing them. And what Roberts did here is he failed to make it look like we were policing them. But here he is admitting that, okay, the guy loves Stalin. Nick Fuentes, I don't know if he does, but this is what he said in the Tucker Carlson. He thinks Hitler was a great guy. He thinks Churchill was a bum. He thinks, you know, he's anti Semitic. He loves Nazis. But he's also popular.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So, I mean, eyeballs are eyeballs. Eyeballs, you know, and the idea that Kevin Roberts actually believes that he can convert some groipers by whatever it is that he did is laughable. I mean, if he said in the.
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C
Other video that basically his ideas are worthy of debate. So that's antithetical to what he just said right there to the question, oh.
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A
He'S learned his lesson.
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C
But he's speaking to two different audiences. He was speaking to the groipers more there, and now he's speaking to people within Heritage that are concerned And I mean, want your thoughts on this, Ryan. But it feels like he was basically trying to say, welcome groipers into our movement. But donors, don't worry, we'll try to convert them.
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A
I mean, who believes that if he actually believes that? I think like, wow, this guy's a lunatic. He doesn't really believe it though. I think he just knows, like we need to, we need to protect our right flank because that's the future of our party. And here is. Let's play one more clip of just like how deep the anger runs. That last guy was sort of like approached it on more sort of like philosophical, high minded. How could you. Like what. What has been going on here? I am so surprised. Say it ain't so. Yes. What's the line from. From Casablanca. Like gambling. What this establishment. Yes, here is let's fascists Heritage. This one, if I'm not mistaken, is. I don't want to say it's a question. It's a comment from somebody who works at Heritage who's basically like, you got to get the F out of here. And there was about half a dozen of these. He's going to stay because it's a Christian nationalist organization. But it's disillusioning some of these people who have been completely dilute. It's. It's changing. They're going from deluded to a different delusion, I guess, this institution moving forward.
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D
I also know that that sentiment is shared by others in this room.
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A
Oh, wait, go. Go back. Go back just a little bit. Go back. We just like 20 seconds. Because I think she says, I don't have faith in you to run this anymore. Go back.
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D
Just.
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B
Yeah.
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D
Under you. I also have every reason to believe you are a good and decent man. And I know that you're my brother in Christ. And yet after all of the events of the last week, I stand here today with no ability to say, I have confidence in your leadership for this institution moving forward. I also know that that sentiment is shared by others in this room who for reasons that I think are perfectly reasonable, especially given what we've seen this last week, are afraid to say that exact same thing openly and directly. But as you yourself have said, now is the time for courage. Dr. Roberts, over the last week, you have shown a stunning lack of both courage and judgment. There's nothing ambiguous about what we saw happen. Tucker Carlson invited a holocaust denying neo Nazi onto his show and then spent roughly two hours doing little more than flirting with him. And when our friends and allies on the right, staunch conservatives, rightly and reasonably criticized Tucker for throwing softball questions at a Hitler apologist. We had options at that point. We could have, and, in my opinion, should have joined them. We could have led from the front and lovingly rebuked our ally. Loving rebuke is an action that, respectfully, even Helen Keller could see is not the same thing as participating in cancel questions.
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A
Like, you gotta make the Helen Keller joke in the middle. This is the 80s bit. I know. Fascinating. Yeah. Really? I mean, Stevie Wonder, too. Just want to make it clear I'm not woke. Yeah. Like, I'll make fun of handicap people, but. But, you know, the Holocaust is. Yeah, the Holocaust. Hold on, my brother in Christ, go.
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B
But.
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A
Let this play out while you.
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D
Weigh in right after Ryan and lovingly rebuked our ally. Loving rebuke is an action that, respectfully, even Helen Keller could see is not the same thing as participating in cancel culture. We also could have just said nothing at all. Instead, we managed to scrape together an initial response that at best was equal parts incoherent, unhelpful, and naive. At worst, as others have referenced it, was more akin to a master class in cowardice that ran cover for the most unhinged dregs of the far right. The next four days, I think, for me, were even more worrying because you appeared to dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge any real semblance of accountability. Nothing about that seemed to indicate you really wanted the buck to stop with you. It seemed at first as though you wanted the buck to stop with your chief of staff. And only after it became clear that Ryan falling on his sword would be insufficient to quell the outrage both inside and outside of this building, did we finally see you manage the courage to utter the words, I made a mistake. And quite frankly, even if you had managed to say that four hours after that video, it would have been a weak response. But, sir, it took you four days to say that. And even then, the mistake was couched largely in terms of, well, I'm sorry, you guys just didn't really understand the words that were coming out of my mouth. And maybe I should have spoken better, but also maybe try to listen better this time. With all due respect, Dr. Roberts, we all understood what you said in the video and in the ensuing response. It wasn't that we weren't ready for some additional nuance. It was that little of what you said actually made sense to us. We watched. You seem perfectly willing to attack all of our friends and allies on the right, but say nothing about the guy who just said he Dislikes nothing more than Christian Zionists. A term which he seems to use to mean basically anyone who supports Israel and includes many people in this room.
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B
Mm.
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A
It's so difficult to watch someone take this type of. Is really amazing.
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B
He's already dead. He's already dead.
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A
Exactly.
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B
And he might still be fired. To your point about him staying, you could imagine a world in which it's like, no, actually you're out of here definitely.
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A
But also I can imagine a world in which he stays and this like starts like there's a rival Heritage Foundation. I mean there is this fight that is so deep and it's not getting really much coverage at all. And cuz it runs against and the narrative that really the mainstream and I'm including the establishments of both parties here, that there is an anti Semitism problem on the left. When there is I think not only, not one. I mean look, there's always. There's anti Semites, you know, in any political faction, but there isn't a problem on the left. It is not a burgeoning industry on the left like it is on the right. It is metastasizing on the right.
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B
Example would be if you tried to do an anti Semitic YouTube program. You would not find an audience on the left that doesn't exist. You do it on the right, you're gonna have. You got millions of people watching. So that like that kind of tells you like where, where that audience and where that problem is.
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A
Well, right, like the center for American Progress going like, well you know, we need to. I mean I don't, you know, off the top of my head, I don't even know someone on the leftist who is like sort of that virulent of it of an anti Semite. I'm sure there are some, but I don't know who they are.
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C
Well, they won't even embrace anti Zionists.
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A
But just the fact that I don't know who that is. Can you imagine like the center for American Progress coming out with a video and going like we stand this person. Like it's just insane.
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C
But Ryan, like what is. I mean I know that you have on Breaking Points you have two hosts who are conservatives. Like what is your understanding of what they're dealing with with this issue on the right? I'm curious.
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B
I mean it's, you know, conservatives don't want to hear it from me. But like the problem is their underlying Christian nationalist ideology being taken to its logical extreme. Like, and the like breakdown in kind of gatekeeping media allowing it to be taken to its Logical extreme. Like in the past you could see where a, you know, Christian nationalism would head, but you couldn't get there because you'd put fences around it because like a Fuentes couldn't build up an audience. It just, they just couldn't. You'd have the Birch Society, like doing their, you know, male stuff or whatever, but like, you could not let them speak at the conventions, not let them on the three, you know, broadcast news programs. And then they're kind of boxed out of the national conversation. You can't, you can't do that anymore. So it allows them to take their ideology to its extreme. And if you say that Hindus, you know, are going to burn in hell, the amount of anti Indian hatred on the right now is exploding.
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A
Fuentes went deep in attacking.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you, if you say that Muslims don't belong in America and should all be deported, even the ones who are born here and they're gonna, they're all a threat and they're terrorists. And then you, then you have Fuentes people come in and be like, cool, we agree. And, and the Jews. And then send on the right is like, no, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on. That's beyond the pale. And the Fuentes people are like, why? We hate everybody who's not Christian. They're not Christian. We hate them too. And so they don't have an answer to that. And the answer would be we're all Americans. It's a multicultural multi faith democracy. What matters to do the MLK stuff like that, like, that's the answer to that. But they're so dug in on anti wokeness and Christian nationalism that they won't say that even that that woman in the clip had to like go to. Through these contortions.
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Yeah.
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To talk about how she's not woke. And so they're, they're, that's. So they're kind of stuck.
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A
The real question is like how. I mean, how this is going to play out because they don't seem to have figured out a way. I mean, this has been the trajectory, right. I mean, of the Republican Party for the past 20 years, since as long as you and I have been watching this stuff. Stuff is watching the Republican Party that would exploit racism, that would exploit Islamophobia, that would exploit all of these anti Semitism to a certain extent. And to watch them exploit it in their electoral base. To them actually the electoral base taking over that element of the party. And you know, I mean, you keep.
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B
You keep seeing a version of it, like with you know, Boehner elevating the Tea Party. And then the Tea Party throws them out. Tea Party elevates the Trump wing. The Trump wing throws them out. Trump wing elevates Fuentes, lets him back on Twitter because they buy it. And then, you know, we'll see how it ends.
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C
Yeah, and Matt has his point that I think is important too. Like you have Vivek Ramaswamy running in that really important Ohio gubernatorial election in 2026. And we saw that clip of him being confronted by a Christian nationalist kid basically saying, or let alone Ann Coulter opening when going on his podcast and saying, just so you know, I wouldn't vote for you because you're an Indian. Like that's going to have implications for them. And Trump endorsed Vivek. But. But is the base going to kind of reject that because they are too racist for it at this point?
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B
Certainly. Certainly a sizable chunk of them are. And the real danger for them is that that audience is there. And so now you have people who go out and buy a microphone and make a YouTube show. 25% of the country is like, with Fuentes. And so that's this massive opportunity for these right wing content creators to go and just feed and feed more of that stuff. So it's a, it's a very vicious cycle that I don't see a way out for them. I feel like they're going to be taken over by it.
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A
Somebody's got to write a book about how like there was. And I'm sure there is. But the Christian nationalists went a little bit underground following the Bush years and they were submerged, but they clearly. But then they pop back up with Mike Pence as the Vice president and all the while in their backfilling and it's growing. And then now they don't have like a leader per se in the administration. I guess Vance on some level is that guy.
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C
But he's a Catholic. Like the evangelical Christian nationalists, they see Trump as their leader just because he is a stand in for an evangelical chosen by God.
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B
Yeah. And a providence it is.
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A
It's going to be interesting to see where they go just in the next 11 months or so, because this is not going to go away and it's only going to sort of like gain momentum. It seems to me on the right, they have no idea how to deal with this.
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B
Yeah. And a huge, and a huge part of it that fueled the rise was genuinely the genocide in Gaza. Like a lot of these young Christians saw that, didn't like it. And then when they spoke out about it were called anti Semitic and then they just gravitate towards Fuentes like oh I guess I'm anti Semitic. So I think that that played a role and also the you know, Netanyahu's decision in the Obama years to basically break with the Democratic party and throw their lot in with the far right. Yep. Like not, not a well thought out plan guys. Like have you seen who's in the alt right?
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A
I just remember there was a quote from an Israeli general and like Michael Brooks would talk about how Israel was making common cause with right wing really like Nazi adjacent parties in Europe in the, in the teens and that a Israeli general was, somebody asked him, he's like, you realize like these Christian Zionists in America, they, they want, they support Israel because they want you all to die in hellfare hellfire when, when Jesus returns. And the general was like we'll deal with it then.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And they're dealing with it now. Right.
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A
It turns out this can happen before Jesus returns. And thank you for that theological pronouncement, Ryan. There you go Ryan Grim, thank you so much. Really appreciate you coming on. We will link to the fundraiser that you're doing to deal with this lawsuit coming from Britain and obviously to drop site and breaking points. Appreciate you coming on.
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B
Appreciate that.
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C
Thanks Ryan.
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B
See ya.
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A
All right folks, I guess we should head into the fun half of the program wherein we will have fun. We've got more clips and we will take maybe some IMs, maybe we'll take calls but I, I don't know, I don't want to say that. I don't want to over promise folks. It's your support that makes the show possible. You can become a member@jointhemajorityreport.com when you do you not only get the free show free of commercials but you also get the fun half. And don't forget to check out our merch. Is the Emma majority report.
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C
No, it's the pre sale ended on the third.
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A
Pre sale ended on the third. But you can still get the Trump slump stickers which I think are going to be coming more into fashion. Can you imagine a better Christmas stocking gift than a four pack of Trump slump stickers all sold at cost. It it's a built in both gift and explanation why they're not getting anything else. Also just coffee co op fair trade coffee. It's a co op in Madison, Wisconsin. You can get the majority report blend. You can get a bunch of other single origin coffees, great coffee, great company and use the coupon code majority get 10% off. Matt. Left reckoning. Yeah.
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B
For left reckoning. Patreons patreon.com left reckoning. There will be a Sunday show for y' all on Sunday, so become a member to get that.
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A
When does this whole Jackman thing start?
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B
I believe the first show will be next week, but, you know, very exciting. Don't want to over promise and under deliver.
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C
Well, I, I didn't plug this yesterday at the end of the free half of the show because it wasn't out yet. But if people would like, they can check out my episode on the I've had it podcast. It was so fun to be able to meet Jennifer in person. I know that Pumps was out, so I'll have to go. I mean, I would love to go on a second time so I could get to meet the whole crew, but it was really fun. Jennifer's husband, Josh kind of stood in. We spoke about politics more broadly. We had a good time. So they're great. Check out.
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A
Stood in for Jennifer.
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C
No, her co host, Pomps, who was on vacation. So great conversation. Check me out on the I've had it podcast, folks.
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A
See you in the fun half. Three months from now, six months from now, nine months from now. And I don't think it's gonna be the same as it looks like in six months from now. And I don't know if it's necessarily gonna be better six months from now than it is from now, but I think around 18 months out, we're going to look back and go like, wow. What? What is that going on? It's nuts. Wait a second. Hold on for. Hold on for a second. Emma. Welcome to the program.
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Matt.
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What is up, everyone? Fun Path. No, Me. You did it. Fun Pat.
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C
Let's go, Brandon.
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A
Let's go, Brandon. Fun Pat Bradley, you want to say hello? Sorry to disappoint everyone. I'm just a random guy. It's all the boys today.
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C
Fundamentally false. No. I'm sorry.
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D
Women.
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A
Stop talking for a second and let me finish.
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C
Where is this coming from, dude?
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E
But.
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A
Dude, you want to smoke this Citadel? Yes.
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E
Hi.
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A
Me is me. Yes.
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E
Is this me?
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B
Is it me?
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A
It is you.
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E
If it's me.
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A
Hello, that's me. I think it is you. Who is you? No sound every single freaking day. What on your mind?
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B
We can discuss free markets and we can discuss capitalism.
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A
I'm going to go Skyline Libertarians. They're so stupid, though. Common sense says of course.
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C
Gobbledygook.
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A
We nailed him.
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C
So what's 79, 21 challenge?
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A
Man, I'm positively quivering. I believe.
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E
96.
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A
I want to say. 857. 210. 35. 501, 1/2. 3, 8, 9, 11. For instance.
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C
$3,400. 19. 5, 4.
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A
$3 trillion. Sold. It's a zero sum game. Actually.
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C
You're making me think less.
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A
But. But let me say this. You can call it satire.
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B
Sam goes satire on top of it all.
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A
My favorite part about you is just.
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C
Like every day, all day, like, everything you do.
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A
Without a doubt. Hey, buddy, we see you. All right, folks, folks, folks.
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C
It's just the week being weeded out, obviously. Yeah.
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A
Sun's out, guns out. I. I don't know.
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C
But you should know.
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B
People just don't.
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A
Like to entertain ideas anymore. I have a question. Who cares? Our chat is enabled, folks. I love it. I do love that Mom. Gotta jump. Gotta be quick. I gotta jump.
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B
I'm losing it, bro.
- [83:35]
A
Two o', clock, we're already late, and the guy's being a dick. So screw him. Sent to a gulag.
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C
Outrageous.
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A
Like, what is wrong with you?
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E
Love you.
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B
Bye.
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A
Love you.
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B
Bye.
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A
Bye.