3648 - Wrestling with Ice; Short Circuiting AI Data Center w/ Leo Martinez, Gabi Finlayson

Summary

The Majority Report with Sam Seder – Episode 3648

Title: Wrestling with Ice; Short Circuiting AI Data Center
Date: May 20, 2026

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OVERVIEW

Sam Seder hosts an episode covering two major grassroots fights:

1. Defending Immigrants against ICE raids in Southern California, with guest Leo Martinez of VC Defensa, an immigrant-rights, ICE-watchdog collective recently raided by the Feds.
2. Grassroots opposition to a massive AI data center in Utah, with Gabby Finlayson, political consultant at Elevate Strategies, addressing unchecked corporate power and environmental threats.

The episode also offers sharp analysis of recent primary results in Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and Georgia, and reflects on shifting landscapes of left/progressive electoral organizing.

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KEY SEGMENTS & HIGHLIGHTS

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1. Election Roundup & Progressive Wins

[01:24–12:54]

Main Points:

• Pennsylvania Third District:

  • Chris Robb, DSA and WFP-endorsed, wins with 45% of the vote in a three-way race against establishment-backed and AIPAC-funded rivals.
  • Importance: Demonstrates progressive positions have broad support in solid blue districts.
  • Quote [07:14]:
    “I don't think... there's a single position he holds that doesn't have majority support. Again, maybe it's nine out of ten, but here he is last night celebrating.” —Sam Seder

• Kentucky GOP Primary:

  • Thomas Massie loses to Ed Gallerin (Navy SEAL backed by Trump’s “geriatric army”), ending the career of a rare anti-war Republican.

  • Notable commentary about the party’s age and ideology: “The Republican Party is an older party... Massey represents the entire elected anti-war contingency in the Republican Party. They just lost it.”
    —Sam Seder [11:09]

  • Emma Vigland observes the ideological shift:
    Quote [12:08]:
    “I would just make an observation that they might be anti-war, but in the sense of the one that happened in 1865.”

• Georgia Supreme Court:

  • Despite high Democratic turnout, poor organizing/communication led to GOP retention of Supreme Court seats.

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2. Interview: Leo Martinez on ICE Organizing & Federal Repression

[21:08–41:42]

Background:

• VC Defensa:
  • ICE-watchdog and defense collective formed originally in the Trump era, now expanded and community-rooted.

Highlights:

• Origin Story & Context:

  • Founded during heightened fears in the 2016 election lead-up; Democrats and Republicans both promised to escalate ICE enforcement.
  • Organizing learned from prior waves under both Obama and Trump.

• Community Building & Volunteer Structure:

  • Leveraged rage/sadness from broader injustices (Gaza, George Floyd, No DAPL) into local organizing.
  • Created inclusive roles for all, regardless of language or background:
    • “We really prided ourselves... on being able to find something that everybody could do that wanted to be a part of this project.” —Leo Martinez [24:02]
    • Now includes contingents of medical professionals, educators, and others.

• Best Practices for Defense:

  • Immediate neighborhood outreach after ICE activity; establishing group chats (WhatsApp) for rapid alerts.
  • “There’s just absolutely no substitute for knocking on doors and talking to people.” —Leo Martinez [39:06]

• Impact on ICE Tactics:

  • Persistent, visible defense deters ICE—if they are “kicked out” by informed/responsive residents, they often do not return.
    • “They do not like to be exposed in neighborhoods... We literally just let neighbors know that they're there and make as much noise as possible and they leave.” —Leo Martinez [29:28]

• ICE/Federal Retaliation (Recent Raid):

  • Massive, theatrical raid by 40+ federal agents at 3am, accompanied by search warrants for 'antifa' and 'assault training' materials. ICE confiscated personal/work computers, skateboards, and organization merchandise.
  • Martinez views it mainly as intimidation and performance:
    • “We've seen this in the past before. We're not... the first and... not the last of our volunteer base that gets raided or arrested... We do see it as more of a show of force than anything.” [32:40]

• Security & Transparency:

  • Operate openly; no secrets or operations that could endanger volunteers.
  • Pushing for replicable models—directing others to “take any... blueprint that they feel is valuable.” [26:48]

• Resources and Next Steps:

  • Hotline: [phone] is available for support and replication advice.
  • Merchandise (as solidarity and fundraising): Stashbxx (stashbxx.com; decks, shirts).

Memorable Moment:
Leo on the organization's approach:

“Our goal is to never be necessary. Our goal is to be a resource, our goal is to be a backup.” [27:48]

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3. Interview: Gabby Finlayson vs. Utah’s Mega AI Data Center

[43:22–59:10]

Background:

• Gabby Finlayson, Elevate Strategies, is at the forefront of organizing opposition against the largest proposed data center in the US.

Details of the Project:

• Scale & Threat:
  • 40,000 acres—twice the size of Manhattan, more than Washington D.C.
  • Would use 9 gigawatts—double the entire state’s current energy use.
  • Potentially increases carbon emissions by 50%.
  • Significant water draw from the already-drying Great Salt Lake, risking local ecology and economy.

Quote [44:14]:

“It is, you know, 40,000 acres... would use and, you know, put up 9 gigawatts of energy... has the potential to increase our carbon emissions by 50%... raise temperatures... which will absolutely decimate the ecology, plants, and animals in the area.” —Gabby Finlayson

Corporate Capture & Lack of Democracy:

• Approval Process:
  • Rubber-stamped by a state authority (Military Installation Development Authority) with little/no actual local or public input.
  • County commissioners had essentially no power to block project.

Grassroots Response:

• Broad, Non-Partisan Pushback:
  • Environmentalists, ranchers, libertarians, and local residents uniting against the project.
  • Tactics: Referendum, legal challenges, and appeals over water rights.

Quote [48:40]:

“So many normal people in Utah have started to really come out of the woodwork and say, no, no, no, not this. We're not okay with this. You all better slow your roll on this one.” —Gabby Finlayson

Escalation:

• Smears by "Mr. Wonderful" (Kevin O’Leary):

  • O’Leary, wealthy Canadian investor (not billionaire!), behind the project, accused Gabby and colleagues on Fox News of being Chinese operatives.
  • His attempts at intimidation (doxing/pro-vigilante rhetoric) have only increased opposition.

  Quote [53:22]:

  "He literally ... claimed that this must be Chinese influence because only the Chinese would want to inhibit a data center... Of course, only China wants to protect the environment in Utah.” —Sam Seder

Next Steps & How to Help:

• Participate in the Bear referendum (Box Elder Against Environmental Ruin).
• File protests over water rights transfers.
• Support via “Utah Nature Security” merch; proceeds fund grassroots accountability and organizing.

Quote [58:48]:

“All proceeds will go to us, any other organization called out by Kevin O’Leary who do this type of public accountability work.” —Gabby Finlayson

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4. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Progressive Organizing:

• “When we talk about people seeing the level of injustice with Gaza, that's not a self-contained silo, that raises people's awareness and sensitivities and sense of injustice across the board.”
  —Sam Seder [23:33]

On Anti-ICE Tactics:

• “I need people to have the info.” —Leo Martinez on using WhatsApp [26:48]

On Corporate Power:

• “These leaders in our state and Kevin O’Leary ... forget what it’s like when real people have a real concern... they’re not going to be influenced by money or being guilted into supporting American national security.”
  —Gabby Finlayson [56:26]

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5. Timestamps for Key Segments

• Election & Political Analysis: 01:24–12:54
• Interview: Leo Martinez (VC Defensa): 21:08–41:42
• Interview: Gabby Finlayson (Elevate Strategies): 43:22–59:10

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USEFUL RESOURCES

• VC Defensa hotline: [phone]
• Merch — Stashbxx: Stashbxx.com (pending release)
• Bear (Box Elder Against Environmental Ruin) Referendum: find on social and local media
• Elevate Strategies: social: @elevate_utah / substack: [ElevateUtahNews]

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Tone & Style

Throughout, the tone is blend of irreverent, passionate, and deeply informed — both mocking of the absurd (federal overreach, billionaire crybabies), and earnest in spotlighting effective, concrete grassroots organizing.

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SUMMARY TAKEAWAY

This episode showcases how popular, progressive movements—from ICE resistance in California to environmental justice in Utah—can build power and force accountabilities from below, even as establishment and elite interests attempt to co-opt, repress, or smear organizers. Listeners get a primer in “how-to” grassroots organizing, while also getting an inside look at the real impacts of unchecked corporate and state power—and how to fight back.

Transcript

[Sam Seder]

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[Sam Cedar]

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[Sam Cedar]

The Majority Report with Sam Cedar. It is Wednesday, May 20, 2026. My name is Sam Seder. This is the five time award winning Majority Report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal, the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, usa. On the program today, Leo Martinez, community organizer in Ventura county, member one of the founders of VC Defense, an ICE watchdog immigrant rights group which is raided by the feds last week. Then Gabby Finlayson and Jackie Morgan, the senior partners at elevate strategies, who Mr. Wonderful claimed were Chinese cutouts to stop a massive AI data center in Utah.

[Brian]

There's no other reason to resist it?

[Sam Cedar]

No. Meanwhile, in Pennsylvania, Chris Robb all but becomes the next DSA member to make it to Congress. In a stunning win the primaries last night in Pennsylvania primaries. In Kentucky, Massie loses to Trump's Republican geriatric army. And in Georgia, despite the very good Democratic turnout, Democrats in Georgia failed to take Supreme Court seats. Meanwhile, Trump's fake IRS settlement now adds tax cheating immunity to all of Trump and his family on top of a nearly $2 billion slush fund. It's, it's funny, but not funny and funny. Trump endorses Ken Paxton in the Texas Republican Senate primary. Meanwhile, back in Washington, the Senate advances the War Powers Resolution. In the wake of Bill Cassidy's primary loss, he has apparently found. Jesus. Foreign governments dump U.S. treasuries leading to rates north of 5%. That's usually when Trump totally tacos. And a U.S. district judge rules ICE can no longer arrest immigrants in New York immigration courts. All this much, much more on today's Majority Report. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. It is hump day, as Emma Vigland would say. And I've got to say, because she's out today, she, you know, weird, it's those contract obligations that rolling. She, she's only allowed to work like one day a week essentially. Now that's the, that's basically, she won't be in Friday, but she will be here tomorrow. So big night last night in the primaries. As you know, we had Chris Rob on this program, I don't know, about a month ago or so. And he was one of like the bloggers from days of yore and has since been a state senator. He was, he is a DSA member. He was also endorsed by the wfp. I mean all of AOC endorsed him and went down there and campaigned for Him, Josh Shapiro working in the background, apparently against him. But the establishment forces really sort of messed up. They originally wanted this doctor, her name is Alana, with Sanford. And then the sort of. The bottom fell out of her campaign about three or four weeks ago, and they freaked out in part because she gave a really horrible answer about what was happening in terms of Gaza. AIPAC money started playing in there. And I think it was, I don't know, was it the drop site or the lever. There was reporting that showed that a lot of her money was actually coming from AIPAC sources, as it were, people who were supporting her because they perceived her as a vote to protect Israel. And her campaign just bottomed out. And then you'll recall, I think the other day we played a clip of Cory Booker, who never gets involved in elections that aren't New Jersey. I'm focused on New Jersey, he's focused on New Jersey. So you have time to get involved with the New York City mayorality. Like, like that impacts New Jersey, but apparently, what is it, the third district in Pennsylvania that really impacts him in New Jersey. And so he was down there supporting Sharif street, who, it turns out like, has some like, was found to have negotiated with Republicans to allow them to gerrymander back in maybe 2022. I feel like this was. Or maybe earlier, as long as they protected his seat so they could get rid of other Democratic seats. And in the end, Chris Robb won with about 45% of the vote out of a race of three. And so likely had one of those two dropped out, he would have gotten over 50% of the vote, it appears now. And this is the bluest district in the country. And this is what's also really important about this. In the bluest district of the country, you should have someone who represents

[Leo Martinez]

at

[Sam Cedar]

least, you know, from an electoral standpoint, from the perception of the body politic, someone who should be like, completely in line with progressive values. Like, there should be no daylight here at all.

[Brian]

Tomato pace, concentrated.

[Sam Cedar]

And now the reality is, is that I don't think. I don't know for sure, but my guess would be that you could take 9 out of 10 of his positions, maybe 10 out of 10, but let's just say 9 out of 10 and put them against polling for just Democrats, just like mainstream Democrats and maybe even independents. And I don't think there's a single position he holds that doesn't have majority support. Again, maybe it's nine out of ten, but here he is last night celebrating. You get a notion of the excitement in Pennsylvania. I, I believe. I believe.

[Leo Martinez]

I believe. I believe that we just won. I believe that we just won. I believe that we just won.

[Sam Cedar]

So pretty exciting. Great news all but guaranteed to be a sitting congressperson come the fall. And there was other wins in Pennsylvania. Brooks in Pennsylvania, seventh. Was, was both Josh Shapiro and Bernie Sanders choice to win in that primary. The WFP did pretty good in the House districts in Pennsylvania. So good news all around there in Kentucky to the extent that it matters and was sort of unpredicted. Thomas Massie lost his, his primary to Navy SEAL Ed Gallerin. Let's look, let's go to the Massey. This is number four. This is Thomas Massie thanking his team in concession speech at his headquarters. I want to start by thanking the volunteers who have put so much effort into this. Some of you came from all across the country. Some of you are homegrown. I love all of you. All right, and let's cut to Gallerin's victory party. And you know, people are starting to, like, question online, how, like, how do we explain this? This is Gallerin's victory party. It looks like a busy Starbucks. That's literally his victory party.

[Emma Vigland]

Probably count.

[Brian]

I have, like, no friends left at this age. And I think I could do this for a birthday party. I could pull these numbers.

[Sam Cedar]

Massey won every age group, put this up under the age of 65 in, in this district in Kentucky, and yet still lost by what was it, a 10%? It was 10,000 votes.

[Brian]

9.9%. Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

And you know, he lost 65 to 35 on 65 and over and that carried that district. So now there's a lot of people with conspiracy theories online, et cetera, et cetera. Look, the bottom line is the Republican Party is an older party. It also, in terms of like voting, it also Massey represents the entire elected anti war contingency in the Republican Party. They just lost it. And I mean, like, broadly speaking, anti war. It's not like the Democratic Party. I would say Net Net is an anti war party. They're not. Okay.

[Emma Vigland]

I would just make an observation that they might be anti war, but in the sense of the one that happened in 1865. Because if you do the math on 65 plus and say, when did somebody who's 65, when were they born? It was 1960. So everyone born basically under Jim Crow, that's who went garring and then lesser extent, everyone after that.

[Sam Cedar]

Right. Although I'm not sure that given the opportunity of a pro war Massey in a pro war gallery and that it would have Been very different.

[Emma Vigland]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

I don't think in terms of, like. I mean, my suggestion is, is that, you know, Massie's not exactly the most anti 1865. He's not exactly. I mean, let's be clear. This type of libertarianism is as virulently pro confederacy as anything else. I mean, American libertarianism is essentially neo confederacy. That part of the party is shared across all of their ideological chasms. Massie had a very good quote a couple of years ago where he thought, like, there was a libertarian strain in the Republican Party because he and Rand Paul and one or two others got elected. And he came to realize after Donald Trump's ascent. Yeah, here it is. All this time, Massey explained, I thought they were voting for libertarian Republicans, but after some soul searching, I realized when they voted for Rand and Ron and me in these primaries, he's talking about Ron Paul, I guess they weren't voting for libertarian ideas. They were voting for the craziest son of a bitch in the race. And Donald Trump won best in class, as we had until he came along. There is a sense of, like, if I shake things up, I can justify. I mean, it really is in many respects the reactionary mind, the purest of the reactionary mind. The idea is that I am such an iconoclast that I'm bringing back what existed 100 years ago. I'm such a revolutionary that we're returning to when we had a more explicit hierarchy in this country. But nevertheless, Massey's out. However, he has vowed to make the next seven months rather difficult for Donald Trump. We see the same thing with Bill Cassidy. Suddenly the War Powers resolution this week makes more sense than it did a week and a half ago when the Senate shot it down and he voted against it. The Republican Party is Donald Trump's party. I also suspect, frankly, that anybody who thinks that there's going to be some type of change in the Republican Party with the absence of Donald Trump, I think there's going to be some marginal. But understand, too, that is that when you see people bucking Donald Trump, it's resent their own personal fortunes, resentment, resent that's coming out. Not necessarily some type of, like, newfound understanding of principle. But that's where we're at in the. In Georgia, good turnout. Democratic Party did a very bad job of communicating which Supreme Court justices people should vote for. Organizing has to take place on the ground there in Georgia, but. That's where we're at. We will have more to say on the numbers maybe later this week as we get a little more information in a moment. We're going to be talking to Leo Martinez. He is a member and I think one of the founding members of Ventura County Defense, an ice watchdog group. And he was just literally, feds busted open his door at 3am last week to arrest him and search his stuff. I think they confiscated his skateboard. Oh, VC defense. Sorry. 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[Leo Martinez]

Let's go.

[Sam Cedar]

We are back. Sam Cedar on the Majority Report. Emma Vigland is out today. It's a pleasure to welcome to the program Leo Martinez, community organizer in Ventura County, California and one of the four co founders of VC Defensor, which is an ICE watchdog group. And Leo, my understanding is you, you started this group right before inauguration, like in the build up right before, right after the election to Donald Trump. Tell us about that.

[Leo Martinez]

Yeah, we were having conversations, me and four other folks were having conversations during the campaign because Democrats and Republicans were running on escalating ICE and deportation. So we knew whichever way it was gonna swing, it wasn't gonna make a difference on the ground. Maybe it'd be more open than it would be. But also a lot of us had experience with the first Trump administration. And me personally, the first time that I got into a lot of the immigrant defense stuff was during the Obama era when they were doing a lot of checkpoints and picking people up from the county jails and targeting communities that way.

[Sam Cedar]

And so what, what did you do differently this time? I mean, was the, I mean, just give me a sense of like how you went about organizing it, how the goals were different. I mean, obviously Obama deported record breaking deportations during his eight years. What, what did you guys decide to do differently this time?

[Leo Martinez]

Well, the good thing is the first two times we got a lot of the problem solving, the troubleshooting out of the way. So this time around it was so much easier because of the genocide in Gaza that had for a whole year prior just created a whole bunch of support on the Ground from young kids to just. Everybody was outraged and had nothing to put their energy into. So when we were able to present a project that people in their neighborhoods could directly get involved in that were, that was going to make the situation not only better, but they would be able to form a defense line and be able to get a lot of that anger and frustration out. I think it was kind of like a no brainer. Our first meeting for a volunteer call out had hundreds of people. Same thing with the workshops that we initially started with. So it was a very, very. We didn't have to worry so much about the recruitment. It was more the logistics of when

[Sam Cedar]

was that recruitment, I mean, because that's, that's fascinating, I think, and a great lesson for people to understand that when we talk about people seeing the level of injustice with Gaza, that that's not a self contained silo, that it raises people's awareness and sensitivities and sense of injustice across the board.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Leo Martinez]

And it was. And even then before that, it was snowballing from the George Floyd protest, It had snowballed from the no Dapple, it had snowballed from so much. Just like you guys had seen your support, your support grow in the last few years to shout out to fucking long live Michael Brooks. But this was something that, that had, had built a community that didn't have anywhere to put that energy. So for a lot of us it was a lot of logistical and practical stuff on the ground. It's like, all right, we have a hotline that we need to spread and we need this to be in. Knock on every door, every neighbor and every small business in the area that tends to our community to be there. If you don't speak Spanish, which at first there was a lot of white folks that didn't speak Spanish that wanted to be volunteers. And it was a little bit of a struggle in the beginning. Be like, what are we going to do with these folks? But immediately those were the folks that were able to hit all the small businesses. They were able to go to all the school districts and talk to teachers, people on the ground there. They were able to pull funding down. So we really prided ourselves from the beginning, sorry, excuse me. On being able to find something that everybody could do that wanted to be a part of this project. So now it's swelled into, we have like contingency of 90 medical professionals that are like nurses, people's transporters, surgeons, doctors that work at medical facilities across the county that are already volunteers. So they started pulling resources together. So they could do house visits. They got their malpractice insurance. We have the same thing, a contingency of like 60 to 70 education professionals, teachers, para educators that form a thing there that they're doing, like after school, school tutoring program. So it's more of a community project as opposed to just an ICE focus thing. Right.

[Sam Cedar]

That's interesting. And so, like, how do you. So if there's a situation. I'm just curious from a logistics standpoint, because I think this can be very, very instructive to people. You've been incredibly successful with this stuff. And then I want to talk about how, how much you've upset certain contented cohorts. But the idea. So I imagine, you know, and I'm thinking in terms of, like, you know, places where there is a really strong surge of ice, or like an ongoing one in different areas. There may be kids who don't go to school for an extended period of time. And so you guys, like, will put out. You got that list of 60 teachers you'll put out. We need tutoring services for this family, that family. I imagine you're careful about, like, putting addresses in and stuff like that. I mean, just give us a sense to the extent that you can, because I imagine, you know, there's going to be people watching this who are going to want to try and get as much information as possible, both because they want to replicate it and because they want to stop it.

[Leo Martinez]

No, and I hope so. And that's really why we do so much press is really what I want is other people across the country to kind of take any. Anything in our blueprint that they feel is valuable to be able to implement. So for examp, let's say we're starting from scratch from the beginning. If I see it's a neighborhood which usually they hit an apartment complex, usually it's densely packed apartment complexes that have undocumented folks in them. If they hit that neighborhood on one day, we're there that same afternoon knocking on every single door, making sure everybody has our hotline number. But also, more importantly, and above all, we're getting everybody in a group chat. Everybody from that apartment complex gets in a group chat. I know people talk about like, oh, you should be on signal. You should get off of WhatsApp. But also, undocumented folks are used to WhatsApp. They already know WhatsApp. We have to go to where people are at to work within those limitations. Nobody's gonna download signal just to get our notifications and alerts. Right. That's that was like a huge thing that a lot of people complain about. It's like, I don't give a fuck. I need people to have the info. So, so we do that. Then through that group chat, we drop update videos. We do a lot of the. Especially when, like you said, when ICE hits, people don't want to send their kids to school. People don't want to go out. So if they're not going out, the only places they're getting information from is from their phone. So we need to be as practical as possible with the things that we put out there and localize it as much as possible. Like these are the cars to look out for, know somebody that was detained, get ahold of us so that we could put resources behind the family and make sure that we cover all their bases. And that group ends up swelling into that immediate response team on the ground. Because when you have undocumented neighborhoods, you have a lot of people with citizenship status, whether it be the older kids, whether it be the partners, the spouses, the siblings sometimes. So they'll take on the responsibility of patrolling in the mornings as well as us having our team of patrollers that go through all the different cities that are from those cities and from those counties. So even though it's a top down organization, we empower so much on the ground that our goal is to never be necessary. Our goal is to be a resource, our goal is to be a backup. Our goal is to kind of work out the logistics and present what's worked in other neighborhoods. But really it's the people on the ground that, that are the ones doing the work and the ones that are quickest to respond and back and support each other up. So you guys are sort of in undocumented communities? Yeah, go ahead.

[Sam Cedar]

You guys are sort of jump starting in some ways, like just neighborhood groups. And is that as a, as a, as a best practices, does ICE tend to come back the second day? Like if they're interested in an area, do they come back the second day or like, or later? I mean, is that, is that the way they operate or do they try and mix that up or what?

[Leo Martinez]

They'll leave it alone for a few months. They do have a tendency to want to get the easiest arrest possible. So if they show up in a neighborhood and they get kicked out once, twice in a row, they're not coming back to that neighborhood for a few months. They'll try again in a few months. And usually what we'll see is like for example, in Ventura County, Oxnard is the Biggest city. If they get kicked out of Oxnard twice, they won't come back to Oxnard for at least two weeks. Maybe try and hit in a different spot, three weeks in a different spot. But the next days or the next few days, maybe they'll take a few days off, but they'll try and go hit one of the smaller towns in the county. So we kind of have this. It's not necessarily a pattern, but it's kind of a habit that they have of trying to get the easiest arrest possible. They do not like to be exposed in neighborhoods, which is crazy because when we say we kick them out of neighborhoods, we don't touch them, we don't box them in, we don't threaten them. We literally just let neighbors know that they're there and make as much noise as possible and they leave. The vast majority of the times if you catch them early enough, I'm old

[Sam Cedar]

enough to remember that they were trying to get dangerous criminals off the street. And you would think that they would exert a little bit more effort and we'd hear more of their massive gunfights as they fought all of these dangerous criminal elements who now have figured out to hide in the guise of like a grandmother or a moment or a dad or a babysitter.

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

So. Well, honestly, like the big, they seem to save all of their firepower for people like you. Last week you had a little visit in the middle of the night. Tell us about that.

[Leo Martinez]

Yeah, yeah, 3:00am There was flash grenades thrown into the yard. They had, they closed up the street, they had guns out, lights out, 40 agents banging on the door. My mom lives with me and she's a volunteer as well. She's an older lady, but also like she's from Mexico City, she's scrappy and she's not going to take anything from anyone. So we had already talked a few times about the possibility of this happening and we were ready. So we got. They knocked down the door as we were approaching it, pulled us outside, threw me in cuffs. I assumed, rightfully so, that because they were hitting me at home that they were also hitting the business, the shop where we organized most of our activities from. It's not the only place we organize out of. We're a county wide organization, so we have little spots all over the county, but rightfully so I expected them to hit here as well. The surprise for me was that they also hit a former volunteer in another volunteer's house looking for. And that was the other surprise. The surprise is that after everything and all the dust settled. All they wanted was our cell phones. All they wanted was laptops and computers, which is hilarious given the amount of agents and the amount of energy that they put into this. But also, we've seen this in the past before. We're not. I'm not the first and I'm not the last of our volunteer base that gets raided or arrested or pepper sprayed or threatened or any of these other things. So we do see it more of as a show of force than anything.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah, I mean, what do they think that you have on your computers? I mean, I would imagine there's a certain amount of like, ops operational security that you guys maintain in terms of, like, lists of people who shouldn't be on, you know, those lists, etc. Etc.

[Leo Martinez]

We do have, to a certain extent, we do have. We're. We're really good on security, but the truth is, is that from the very beginning that we started this organization, we're like, okay, cool. We have to operate in a way that if we ever get rated, like, there's nothing really of value to them. Like, there's nothing. They were looking for. And it said in the warrant for the shop, which weirdly, not for the house, but in the warrant for the shop, they said that they were looking for training material and training stuff that would show people how to assault or how to whatever with federal officers. They were looking for weapons, glass breakers, or anything like that that could be used to assault federal officers. So they really were looking for more than what they found. A lot more than what they found, which is hilarious. Again, because we cannot operate this openly and also be doing shady stuff behind the scene, getting ready to assault officers, we just wouldn't be able to do it. Our organization would crumble in a heartbeat. The minute that something gets discovered or the minute a raid like this happens. And also, and more importantly, none of those doctors, none of those teachers, none of the parents and the grandparents that are part of our volunteer base would be part of our organization if that's how we operate it. That's why we don't have a mass. That's all we got to move openly.

[Sam Cedar]

Well, I would imagine from their perspective, this is all about. This is largely. It's a two. There's two purposes for what. For what they're doing. One is to try and intimidate you, which my sense is that's not going to work. The other is. The other is that they want to create a narrative that you and your fellow, you know, volunteers are some type of like, you know, antifa. Sleeper Cell. We should say that at your screen print and design studio, it was reported the DHS inventory sheet shows that agents took a USB drive, I'm sure with secret plans for, you know, Sleeper Cell. Two knives, which I should say. We have knives here in this office as well, because there are times where we need to cut things. A phone and skateboards, as well as a riot shield. What are you using these skateboards for?

[Leo Martinez]

Oh, that's right. So it's. It's merchandise that would show affiliation and association with the organization, which we're. We're gonna make more skate. We print decks. So we're gonna print more of those decks, put them up for sale.

[Sam Cedar]

Now, wait a second.

[Leo Martinez]

They're gonna print up and put up where T shirts that we have, the merch shirts.

[Sam Cedar]

Wait, wait, where do I get the. The deck. My son's escape. No, no, I want to know where we can buy. I want to know where we can buy one. In fact, what is the. What is the site where folks can buy some of this? Because in many.

[Leo Martinez]

We're gonna be putting it up today. Yeah, we usually sell it at events around here and we do raffles with it, but we are gonna be putting it up. It's Stashbox, but the last word boxes with two X's. No, O. It's bxx. Stash. Bxx.

[Sam Cedar]

All right, well, Brian's gonna. Brian's gonna put the link in our podcast in YouTube description because this stuff has gotten significantly more valuable because DHS has driven up, has made it into collector's items. It seems like

[Leo Martinez]

a commercial for.

[Sam Cedar]

Yes.

[Leo Martinez]

That the feds took.

[Sam Cedar]

Well, because, you know, I'm certainly interested in the deck for my son. So what else. What else would be helpful? I mean, if you guys like put out any type of manual for other groups around the country, A, and then B, I guess. What are you anticipating going forward? Because it feels like ICE is trying to lay low, at least in terms of like the publicity. But I get the sense that certainly in areas where there's less media coverage, they're operating as intense as ever. But particularly fall in the midterms, they're going to ramp up again in a way that will rival what they were doing several months ago.

[Leo Martinez]

Yeah, we're coming up on the one year anniversary of the invasion of Los Angeles, which for us being the next county up affected us tremendously because we had two military bases here and that's where all the DHS was operating out of. That's where all the border patrol was coming out of that's where all these ICE agents from all over the country were operating out of. So the month of June of last year is when things were really at a fever pitch and they closed it off with a raid. The largest raid in California history here in Camarillo within our county at Glass House, which was a marijuana farm that had hired a ton of undocumented folks. So that was the bulk of our work for June, July, that flow. We had hundreds of calls a day. We responded incredible as a team. So much family support, we got so much love. And also that's where we got a lot of the media connections. So as the year went on and they would either crash into me in the truck or somebody got taken under weird circumstances or the second time that they crashed into me, boxed me in and arrested me.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh wait, we watched that scandal off of this. I, we, we covered that. I didn't realize that was you when they, when they slammed you in the back of your truck. That was all on video.

[Leo Martinez]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

Nice work, man.

[Leo Martinez]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Cedar]

I mean that sucks.

[Leo Martinez]

Solid history of pushing these out, but.

[Sam Cedar]

Well, I love it. If there's and, and is there like any ideas of like creating a manual, some of those best practices for other places around the country where, you know, people may. Or are you in touch at times with different groups around the country helping them because you have. Okay, great.

[Leo Martinez]

Yeah, we're in constant communication with other groups and the county, up the county, LA county as well with those teams. But even then, on my. Aside from everything, I started making TikToks at the beginning of last year, not thinking that it was going to have anything to do with this work. And that blew up a little bit. So even though I was covering a lot of Mexican politics, really what I started doing is I started making videos in English and in Spanish on how to build those neighborhood groups, on how to do. Going back to school season, we did a bunch of videos on how to prepare your elementary school for the drop off and pick up line that's mostly hit by ICE agents and how to defend that internally. So a lot of the stuff that we do, nothing's rocket science. It's more. The truth of the matter is when we talk to other response teams and everything else is that there's no substitute for knocking on doors and talking to people. There's just absolutely no substitute for that. And I think that's a big part that a lot of folks miss and a lot of folks skip over is you have to go out and knock doors. You might have a really big city, but you also have a lot of hotspots within that city that you need to work on. And as you work on those hotspots in the city, you're going to know what other hotspots you want to learn and you're going to come up with other solutions for other spaces. We're always available as a resource. You could reach out to us online, but to be honest, call the hotline, the hotline numbers everywhere. That's the one thing that we always have dispatchers answering for. And we could, we can kind of deviate whatever we need to.

[Sam Cedar]

What, what is that hotline number for folks who are watching?

[Leo Martinez]

Hotline is area code 8052-9611-1980-5247. Ready to answer? 296-296-1119.

[Sam Cedar]

Okay, great. Well, Leah, really, I can't tell you how much I appreciate the work you're doing. Brian tells me that you're a fan of the program, obviously of Michael Brooks as well. That is incredibly excited to be here with you guys. Honestly, it really is incredibly gratifying to see folks in our audience who are doing this type of work and you are really your level of commitment and the grief that you have caused them, honestly, if we had the ability to give a medal, I would. But we're going to put a link, once you got your store up and ready, we're going to put a link to that on the site as well as to your TikToks and that hotline. Leo Martinez, thanks so much for your time. Really, really appreciate it.

[Leo Martinez]

Thank you guys very much. Have a spectacular day.

[Sam Cedar]

Are you too? We got to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to be talking to Gabby Finlayson and Jackie Morgan.

[Brian]

Just Gabby, Jackie's sick. I just found out.

[Sam Cedar]

Well, we're just going to be talking. Yep.

[Brian]

She must have met Emma.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah. Senior partner at Elevate Strategies. They are a firm in Utah that works with progressive campaigns and they have been really upsetting Mr. Wonderful. They've missed made Mr. Wonderful. Mr. Cranky. And we will be talking to Gabby about her fight against a massive, I mean just massive, AI data center in Utah. We'll be right back after this.

[Sam Seder]

This.

[Sam Cedar]

Sam.

[Leo Martinez]

Live.

[Sam Cedar]

We are back. Sam Cedar on the Majority report. Emma Vigland is out today. Want to welcome to the program Gabby Finlayson, senior partner at Elevate Strategies, which is a political consulting firm that works with progressive campaigns, causes and organizations throughout Utah. I imagine, like there's not a lot of those entities in Utah. But I guess maybe we'd be surprised. But you've also been part of organizing against this data center and have, I guess, sparked the ire of someone named Mr. Wonderful. How could you. But, Gabby, first, before we get into that, tell us about this data center, because I've been reading about this. It's nuts.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, it really is pretty wild. This is the largest proposed data center in the United States. And I think it's so hard to even conceptualize how big of not only a physical footprint that it would have, but the impact that it will have on Utah and the surrounding areas. So it is, you know, 40,000 acres. That is twice the size of Manhattan. It's like about the same size as Washington, D.C. and it would use and, you know, put up 9 gigawatts of energy, which is more than double what the entire state of Utah uses right now. It also has the potential to increase our carbon emissions by 50%. It will create, like, a heat island around the area, meaning that it will raise the temperatures of our state by, like, 5 degrees during the day and over 20 degrees at night, which will absolutely decimate the ecology, the plants and the animals in the area. And then one of the biggest problems is that it is right at the very top of the Great Salt Lake, and it will take a ton of water away from the Great Salt Lake. And this is a lake that's been dying for several decades. This is. We've already spent over a billion taxpayer dollars trying to even restore it a little bit, and we're not even close to where we need to be. And so using a project like this that would take so much water has a huge risk for our economy, for the environment, for all kinds of things. Even, you know, the. Our greatest snow on Earth, if the Great Salt Lake doesn't have enough water, will completely go away. So is it a huge deal? And people are rightfully very upset about not only the project itself, but about how it was kind of rolled out and announced to the public.

[Sam Cedar]

I want to get to that. And I just. I just want to reiterate a couple of these factoids because it's so shocking, the idea that this data center is going to consume twice as much power as the entire state does now. Yeah, like, just the idea. I mean, it's just insane. And then the. The CO2 emissions 50 more percent than every vehicle in Utah. And vehicles are the. One of the biggest emitters of CO2, just to increase the footprint and so dramatically in terms of just climate change. And then, of course, you know, all the other sort of, like, more localized impacts in terms of water, in terms of heat, It's. It's shocking. And so the. This was just decided by the Box Elder county commissioners. I mean, no offense to Box County, Box Elder county, but it seems like the implications of this are bigger than some county commissioners.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, definitely. So the county commissioners have caught a lot of heat for this, which is totally fair. However, the bigger problem is that this project was approved and rubber stamped by a state agency called maida, the Military Installation Development Authority, which is a really powerful state agency in Utah that has the power to give people tax breaks. It has the power to approve these big developments from private developers before the public even hears about it. And so this project was rubber stamped by the state agency that is chaired by our senate president and mostly appointed by the governor. And then it was sort of given to these county commissioners to rubber stamp and, you know, say, we need. Technically, you know, we need your approval on this. So rubber stamp it. It was three, you know, rural county commissioners, but it's hard because they were put in a tough position in that if they voted against it, the state agency would override them anyway and they would have no, you know, even input into the project at all. And so some of them have justified on the, you know, the back end saying, like, we at least wanted to have a voice in this process, which is why they voted to approve it. But really, this is the state agency that approved it. And conversations that Kevin o' Leary said that he had with our governor and the leaders of both chambers of our. Of our legislature, that they greenlit this project before it even came before that state agency. And so the county commissioners are getting a lot of blame for this. But in reality, this was a project that was already, you know, moving forward before the county commission even knew. Knew it existed.

[Sam Cedar]

And so let's talk about the pushback that you guys have been organizing, and then we can talk about Mr. Wonderful Kevin O' Leary's involvement and then his response. But tell us about that pushback.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, so I think this is one of those very wonderful and rare issues in a red state like Utah that has brought together people across the political spectrum, you know, whether it is progressives or Democrats that are upset about the environmental impact or, you know, rural farmers and ranchers, or, you know, we still in the west have a big libertarian streak. It has been across the board. People are upset about this project for a multitude of reasons. And so I think because of that, we've had to see a lot of Our, you know, state elected officials and leadership and even Kevin o' Leary in some ways sort of try to walk back and justify why this project is a good thing or change their argument about why we need this project in Utah. And despite all of that, it's not really working on the ground. People are still upset about it. There are a ton of different pieces to how people are trying to push back. There's a referendum in Box Elder County. There are people looking at potential lawsuits because this project was rushed through so quickly. They think that there are some things they didn't do. But more than that, I think that people are also looking at, you know, electoral consequences for some of the people that are involved here. And so it's been really, really fascinating to see people coming together and realizing that this is not a left versus right issue. This is a up versus down issue. And so many normal people in Utah have started to really come out of the woodwork and say, no, no, no, not this. We're not okay with this. You all better slow your roll on this one.

[Sam Cedar]

So, I mean, it feels like you must be having some measure of success because of Kevin O. Leary's channel temper tantrum that he has thrown. But first off, just tell us a little bit about him. He's a billionaire from Shark Tank and he's. I guess he's invested heavily in this because he's so concerned about people in Box Elder county getting jobs that he wants to support a data center, to support a technology where. So far, all I can figure out from this technology is that that it can make funny videos and will basically supplant a lot of people's jobs.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, I mean, Kevin o' Leary is a Canadian. Many Canadians have corrected us that he is a multimillionaire, not a billionaire. They said, do not give him that credit. So we'll do that. Yeah, he's the Shark Tank guy. He's invested in things like cat DNA testing and dog wine and God knows what else. And he owns this company that does these big investments in AI data centers all over the world. He has one in Canada, a couple of others around the US and so this is not necessarily a new venture for him. But the pattern of working with o' Leary Digital has been the same across the board from all the folks that we've talked to that have worked with or had a data center like this be dropped in their lap. But they make a lot of big promises about how the impact will not be what people think it is, and they can't tell you why. Because they have patents and NDAs and all kinds of things, so they can't explain it. And then kind of when the public either gets tired or we move on to a different story, all of those promises keep getting rolled back and it's, it's just as bad, if not worse, than it was initially promised to be. And so, you know, I also want to be clear that, like, you know, we are people that we run a political consulting firm and we make content online, but there were people talking about this far before Kevin o' Leary decided to be and go on Fox News and call us operatives for the Chinese government. You know, there are environmentalists, ranchers and farmers and scientists and journalists that have been talking about this issue from even before we were. And so how we sort of became the face of this is unclear to me. But yeah, it's been really incredible to see so many people across the board joining together on this one.

[Sam Cedar]

What do you think he was doing? I mean, he literally went up said claim that really, that this must be Chinese influence because only the Chinese would want to inhibit a data center that's going to use more power than Utah combined and put out more CO2 than 50%. 50% more than all the vehicles in Utah. Of course, only China wants to protect the environment in, in Utah and inhibit Mr. Wonderful making profits. But what, what, what was, I mean, he targeted you guys, does he does, like, if you guys are somehow inhibited from this activism, is it all going to go away according to him? Or what is it? What was it? What did you do to him?

[Sam Seder]

I honestly have no idea what we did to him. Like, we, you know, as anyone that makes political content knows, there are a lot of people that watch it or see it that are not fans of what you're saying. And the same thing is here in Utah, right? We know leadership in the state sees what we put out. We had only put out two videos about this, like a week before he went on Fox News. Somehow, I do not know how it got on his radar that we were people that were talking about this. And then, yes, to your point, I think that because there was such pushback on the environmental impact and again, the way that it was kind of rolled out to the public and they felt really steamrolled by this project. I think he was trying to pivot the message to say like this, the only people that could be against this are people that hate American national security and don't want us to win the AI arms race or whatever you want to call it. Therefore, we must be Chinese operatives. And yeah, I don't know what he thinks would have happened. Like, obviously we are not interested in anyone who is making threats about us on Fox News in a suit and pink flip flops. But like we're not going to stop talking about this issue. And even if we did, the public pushback would still be happening. Like this is not us leading the charge. Like this is real people here in Utah that are pushing back against this. We just happen to have a platform to kind of elevate those voices. So I have no idea. But it is definitely not landing. I don't think anyone in the state that is upset about this project decided to stop being upset about it because of what Kevin o' Leary has said. If they've only gotten more upset.

[Sam Cedar]

I feel like what I think is fascinating, I mean I think what it shows there's a couple of things and you know, my mind obviously often goes to sort of finding the most anxious part of this is that a he has no experience in having to actually deal with the public and sell any of this technology. And I would imagine that's the case with a lot of them. All they do is they go in, they drop a lot of money into the campaigns of people who can sign off on this. They try and do it in the back room as quietly and is amongst this sort of like powerful elite as much as that word is is abused sometimes, like that's what's happening. And he is so clueless as to what happens when the public finds out that he thinks doxing essentially you guys in some fashion as Chinese agents is going to have some impact. I mean there's two things. One is like it's quite clear they have all of their approvals have come as a function of paying off people in one form or another. And then the other is they're going to get more savvy about this as, as time goes on they're going to realize like soon that I mean we've talked to other groups who have stopped AI data centers. They're going to get more savvy and start waging is my guess, more public facing campaigns like we almost saw in the fracking days.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think, you know, this is such an interesting like microcosm of all the reasons that people politics. But you know, I think that's right. I think when people have been wealthy and powerful for a long time, they forget what it's like when they can't buy people's approval or they can't strong our people into saying yes or getting on board or even being quiet about it. I think that's exactly what we're seeing here. These, these leaders in our state and Kevin o' Leary and these other people that are rich and powerful. I think forget what it's like when real people have a real concern about a real thing happening in their state and they're not going to be influenced by, you know, potential money or being guilted into supporting American national security. And I think you're right. I think because there's been such public pushback and in every place they've tried to build these data centers across the country, I think they are going to have to try and get more savvy and be more harsh about it because otherwise, like, I don't know how they're going to continue to get the public even to be fine with things like this, let alone supportive.

[Sam Cedar]

What. So give me a sense of what you think happens next and how people can get involved.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, so like I mentioned, there is a referendum going on right now by box elder residents so people can get involved with that if they would like to do that. We can find them on social media. Their acronym is Bear, like the animal. And then there's also, again, like I mentioned, potential litigation. But also the biggest thing that we're looking at in Utah right now is supporting people in the state that want to file protests against the water rights. That's like kind of the biggest thing that people can do is saying that they don't want to have these water rights traded and sold, which is a very complicated area of law, especially in the West. But also, you know, if people want to support us and the work that we are doing. And another one of the organizations that Kevin o' Leary called out on Fox News, we actually, we made a version of his hat. I don't know where he found this hat, but he's been wearing it everywhere. It just says Utah National Security on it. And did he make it himself? I don't know. But we decided to make our own hat that says Utah Nature Security and all of that, all the proceeds will go to us. Any other organization called out by Kevin o' Leary who do this type of public accountability work. And so people can go to our social medias, it's Elevate Underscore Utah, Utah to find those. Or on our substack, it's Elevate Utah News.

[Sam Cedar]

All right, well, we'll put links to both of those. Gabby Finlayson, our regards to. To Jackie, your partner who is sick today. It's going around. But thanks so much for the work you're doing. Really impressive and much appreciated.

[Sam Seder]

Well, thank you so much and likewise, thank you for all you do.

[Sam Cedar]

Thanks. All right folks, that's it for us today, at least in the first half or what we call the free half of the show. You can join us in the fun half by becoming a [e-mail] when you do, you not only get the free show free of commercials, but you also get the fun half and you get to IM us. You, you can watch us. Well, you can watch us live, I think either way. But you get the fun half and you get to support the show. Join the MajorityReport.com Also, don't forget just coffee, co op, fair trade coffee, hot chocolate, use the coupon code. Majority get 10% off. It's great coffee and they're a great co op and they've got great blends and you're supporting producers and farmers and Chiapas and East Africa. And the majority point also the discord. Check out our discord majoritydiscord.com you can get the AM Quickie three times a week for free in your email box five times a week. If you want the to pay a couple bucks, but it's free three times a week amquickie.com check it out. We will put links to the merch stores for for Gabby and Jackie who are fighting Mr. Wonderful in Utah and also Leo Martin as group VC DEFENSA will put all the information in Today's podcast and YouTube descriptions. Check out Support these people.

[Brian]

Did you know the Great Salt Lake, the water source for this data center, as it's drying up, it's releasing a toxic dust that potentially could make Salt Lake City uninhabitable.

[Sam Cedar]

Well, then you could expand the data center.

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah, small price to pay for you'd

[Sam Cedar]

be able to expand the day. I mean if Utah, if Salt Lake City was uninhabitable, think of all the water that would be then available for the data center. Think of the compute, Brian. God, all the computer. Oh, I'm sorry, Brian. Is this upsetting your Chinese taskmasters?

[Brian]

They didn't pay me for a rebuttal,

[Sam Cedar]

just paid me for the initial statement. Exactly. Brian tried to buy some coffee this morning with a huan and he was rejected.

[Brian]

Soon I won't be though. Soon. Soon that'll be the currency of this country.

[Sam Cedar]

That's right. If, if Brian gets his way. Matt, what's happening in the Matt Leckian media universe?

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah, we had Ron Placon on Left Reckoning yesterday talking about California Styer and their mayor race and some other stuff. Check that out. Patreon.com says left recording.

[Sam Cedar]

What did you guys say about Steyer? What's the, what's the word?

[Emma Vigland]

I mean Steve reluctantly seems to be the best candidate. I also didn't know that Butch Ware failed to make the ballot at all. The Green Party just fucked it up.

[Sam Cedar]

So, you know, I mean at some point, well, like this is the thing about the dsa. Their model has shown to be very effective or at least relatively speaking over

[Emma Vigland]

a much shorter time period.

[Sam Cedar]

Over a much shorter time period. And there's going to be what like now six members of Congress minimum who are going to be full on card carrying DSA members and they obviously won't always vote in the way that we want them to and obviously six members out of a 200 and you know, who knows what it'll be after this fall. 220, 230 member caucus. But it is progress in a way where if you look at like the 30 year history of the Green Party, there's something, the concept of the Green Party, not necessarily bad. The execution of it seems to have gone off the rails 25 years ago.

[Emma Vigland]

Yeah. And never got even seen the rails since.

[Sam Seder]

No.

[Emma Vigland]

So nice if some people would maybe.

[Sam Cedar]

Well whatever, I think, you know, everybody's got their, their core brand proposition, I guess

[Emma Vigland]

oppositional defiance.

[Sam Cedar]

Yes. Brian, I don't have that. That's why Brian's so supportive of the Chinese government.

[Brian]

No it isn't.

[Sam Cedar]

Oh also, we're also going to put a link in. Listen, a lot of people come to me, they're like Sam, what's the meaning of the world? What is life about? Or you know, how can I improve my status in my friend circle or stuff like that. I'm not good. I don't have those answers. But there is the head of Guru Tainment. Ronald Reagan is obviously an expert at this. He's been doing it for almost 40 years in giving this type of advice and now he is available to you, the public for any type of advice you want through Manect. And we will put the link. Patrick Bed David was kind enough to set him up, see if he can see if his ideas can compete in the marketplace. Just heads up if you want to do a live video chat with him. It's going to cost a minimum of $15,000 but you can text with him for 50 bucks.

[Brian]

Guru attainment. Maybe I should spend money on this. But does that mean it entertainment gurus or it's.

[Sam Cedar]

Hey, that's a great question to ask Ronald Reagan.

[Emma Vigland]

$15,000.

[Sam Cedar]

You just got to come up with another. You would really want to jam packed that $15,000 in there to ask your

[Emma Vigland]

credit card to up your limit.

[Sam Cedar]

And the first, the first thing, the first thing I. Exactly. How do you pay for that? I don't have 15,000. No, I couldn't charge something $15,000.

[Brian]

If you're asking that question, you don't belong on manect.

[Emma Vigland]

No MasterCard. That is not a false purchase. I meant to do that

[Brian]

as they're repoing my car. Sorry, babe, I needed to Manect.

[Emma Vigland]

Showing your wife the Manect bill.

[Sam Cedar]

I wonder if Ronald Reagan's wife knows he's doing this. Like, he's constantly having to be like, can you please just. We have kids. All right, we got to take a quick break. We'll head into the fun half. We're going to take phone calls today. We'll open them up early. We'll be right back after this.

[Sam Seder]

You are in for it.

[Sam Cedar]

All right, folks, 604-6257-3920. See you in the fun house. Are you ready? Who sent us this?

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[Sam Cedar]

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[Brian]

Just want to degrade the white man.

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[Leo Martinez]

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[Caller]

Alpha males are back, back, back, back.

[Sam Cedar]

Snowflake says what?

[Caller]

The alpha males are.

[Sam Cedar]

You're out of madman.

[Caller]

And the alpha males are back, back.

[Leo Martinez]

Oh, no.

[Sam Cedar]

Sam Cedar.

[Leo Martinez]

What a. Whoa. What a nightmare.

[Sam Cedar]

Yeah, or a couple of them. Just put them in rotation.

[Leo Martinez]

DJ dinner. Well, the problem with those is they're

[Emma Vigland]

like 45 seconds long, so I don't know if they're enough break.

[Leo Martinez]

That's nonsense.

[Sam Cedar]

See, white people doing drugs.

[Brian]

They look worse than normal white people. And all white people look disgusting.

[Caller]

And the alpha males psycho them.

[Sam Cedar]

Snowflake says, what? What? What? What? What? What?

[Leo Martinez]

What?

[Sam Cedar]

What?

[Leo Martinez]

What?

[Sam Seder]

What?

[Sam Cedar]

What?

[Leo Martinez]

What? What?

[Sam Cedar]

What? What?

[Sam Seder]

What?

[Leo Martinez]

What?

[Sam Seder]

What?

[Sam Cedar]

Snowflake says, what

[Brian]

a hell of a lot of bank. A hell of a lot of bank.

[Caller]

A hell of a lot of bank.

[Brian]

Okay, I'm making stupid money. Hell of a hell of a lot of bank. A hell of a lot of bank.

[Sam Cedar]

All lives matter. Have you tried doing an impression on a college campus?

[Brian]

I think that there's no reason why reasonable people across the divide can't all agree with this psych.

[Caller]

And the alpha males are back, back, back, back, back, back and the Africans are black, black, black, black, black, African and the alpha males are black, black, black, black, black, black and the Africans are back, back, back, back when you

[Brian]

see Donald Trump out there doesn't a little part of you think that America deserves to be taken over by jihadists? Keeping it 100 can't knock the hustle.

[Sam Cedar]

Come on.

[Brian]

Them them things I do for the bigger game plan. By the way, it's my birthday, my birthday. Happy birthday to me you boy.

[Sam Cedar]

I have a thought experiment for you.

[Caller]

And the alpha males are back, back Africans are black, black Alpha males are black black Africans are back, back Come

[Sam Cedar]

on, come on, come on.

[Brian]

Someone needs to pay the price of blasphemy around here.

[Sam Cedar]

I, I am a total pussy. Pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy sa.