3658 - Primaries Roundup; Republican Plan to Backdoor Israel Aid w/ Ben Freeman

Summary

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

Episode 3658: Primaries Roundup; Republican Plan to Backdoor Israel Aid w/ Ben Freeman
Date: June 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on two main themes:

1. A comprehensive rundown of the latest U.S. primary elections across several states, with a focus on progressive versus establishment wins, emerging candidates, and the implications for upcoming legislative races.
2. An in-depth interview with Ben Freeman (Quincy Institute) exposing a congressional attempt to embed future U.S. military aid to Israel within Pentagon operations—effectively bypassing traditional congressional oversight and public accountability.

Throughout, host Sam Seder maintains the Majority Report’s signature blend of sharp political analysis, humor, and irreverence.

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Primary Elections Roundup

(Main discussion from 05:51 through ~25:00)

National Mood & Quick Takes

• Sam Seder observes "muted primary day for progressives" but stresses the broader importance of winning the House and Senate over individual primary outcomes.

  “The most important thing in my estimation is that the Democrats take the House and the Senate. And progressives did fair last night. I would say fair to not so fair.” (05:53)

• California's results remain incomplete, but early trends are analyzed.

• Sam, Brian, and Matt riff on media coverage and comment on both progressive and establishment candidates, noting the progressive movement’s incremental yet notable gains.

New Jersey Races

• Dr. Adam Hamawe (NJ-12):

  • Progressive candidate wins a solidly blue district—with his victory speech played on air.

    “As a doctor, I see my patients struggling in the richest country in the history of the world just to be able to afford their health care...” (07:26 — Dr. Hamawe acceptance speech)

  • Likely to join the left flank of the Democratic caucus (“the Squad”).
  • Sam notes: “This is not a seat that will flip to Republicans anytime soon.” (09:14)

• Rebecca Bennett (NJ-7):

  • More of an establishment win, but district could flip Democratic in the general.
  • Incumbent Republican Tom Keene Kane is “AWOL” and “the only contact anybody’s had with him was he got on a phone call with a reporter and said, pray for me.” (10:30)
  • Panel jokes about his possible day trading woes.

State-by-State Key Races

• Iowa:

  • Establishment-backed Josh Turek defeats more progressive Zach Walls, largely due to institutional support and $10 million from Vote Vets.
  • Sam notes the only significant difference between the two is on Israel: “I think Walls is more willing to call out Israel.” (13:00)
  • Potential for Democratic wins in governor and Senate due to party realignment.

• Montana & New Mexico:

  • In Montana, Jon Tester’s maneuvers aimed at boosting an independent “friendly” to Democrats; Tester’s preferred Dem candidate wins.
  • In New Mexico, conservative Democrats fail at a comeback; establishment wins largely secured by financial muscle.

• California:

  • Progressives fall short in Nancy Pelosi’s district (CA-11), with establishment (and Pelosi-endorsed) candidates leading.
  • In CA-22, a flippable Trump seat, progressive Randy Villegas is ahead, giving hope for another Democratic pickup.

    “It looks like Randy Villegas is ahead. Randy was also on this program...” (19:48)

Michigan: Abdul El-Sayed Surge

• Abdul El-Sayed pulls away in the Democratic primary, with increased campaign polish. Sam plays a notable interview clip (25:25–27:55):

  Abdul El-Sayed (to Katie Turner's question on Israel):
  “It’s really important for us to be able to differentiate between Judaism, the Jewish people, Jewish culture... and AIPAC and Israel. Those are two different things... I don’t want my tax dollars being spent to backstop apartheid and genocide...” (26:34)

• Commended by Sam as a model answer addressing the nuance between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism:

  “His answer there by talking about critiquing Egypt I think is brilliant. That is a 10 of 10 answer.” (28:15)

• Panel critiques the problematic media framing of progressive electability.

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Key Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Primary Results:

  “Progressives got a couple ...Viegas in California, Hoi in New Jersey. Mieha won her primary as well. I think that was sort of a foregone conclusion.” (21:43)

• Media Snark:

  • A running gag on Dave Rubin’s lack of compelling answers about Trump’s economy:

    “MAGA host mocked after failing to name any of Trump’s achievements.” (05:21)

• Progressive Realism:

  “At the end of the day, the most important thing in my estimation is that the Democrats take the House and the Senate.” (05:36)

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Interview: Ben Freeman on the Congressional Israel Aid “Backdoor”

(Begins 37:38, main insights through 53:09)

Context & Background

• Guest: Ben Freeman, director at the Quincy Institute, co-author of “The Trillion Dollar War Machine.”
• Discussion Topic: New congressional provisions aim to deeply integrate U.S. and Israeli defense sectors, rendering future military aid automatic and shielded from public scrutiny and congressional oversight.

  “The nature of the Israel aid package today... falls under what’s called a memorandum of understanding, where we basically agree to send Israel almost $4 billion of military assistance every year... Now, the key... is there’s congressional oversight of it.” (37:38 — Ben Freeman)

How Aid Transparency is Being Undermined

• A provision stuffed into the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) would integrate the US and Israeli militaries/defense industries in areas like AI, cyber, weapons, and data.

• Ben:

  “What this does is it takes all of that, the openness of it, and it puts it into this defense integration model... Congress is not going to have a say in this.” (38:46)

• The “Trojan Horse” Mechanism

  • Buried in 4 pages of the 500+-page NDAA.
  • Proposes “co-production” and “network integration and data fusion,” effectively merging operations at every level.
  • “That’s just a process you can’t unwind... cybersecurity experts [say] it could take years... to untangle.” (41:09–42:45)

• Financial Implication

  • This model could give Israel open access to vast Pentagon contracting dollars, far exceeding the current $3.8B aid cap.
  • “This model would be limitless... It’s not clear exactly how much... but I think it’s fair to say [there] would be significantly more U.S. taxpayer dollars going to Israel.” (43:10)

National Security & Governance Concerns

• No equivalent U.S. arrangement with any other ally—even NATO or AUKUS partners.

• Sam’s skepticism:

  “From a national security standpoint... I wouldn’t want to do this with anybody... You don't have any way of policing even where that technology goes after it gets shared.” (45:57)

• Ben explicitly warns:

  "Would you want to give them the keys to the Pentagon?... We just don’t do that with anybody else, even our most trusted partners. And so why would we do that with Israel right now?" (46:48)

Political Maneuvering & Activism

• The provision originated in the chairman’s mark—House Armed Services Committee (HASC) chair’s initial version.

• Efforts to strip it: Rep. Ro Khanna will introduce an amendment in HASC; if that fails, Rep. Thomas Massie will try on the House floor.

  “Call your members of Congress, if they’re on House, please tell them to support Conor’s amendment. Let’s get this stripped out of there before it starts.” (49:18)

• Ben:

  “This is a strategic move from Netanyahu and the Israel Lobby... If you can’t win the public fight, take it privately. Use your lobbyists, use your special interest to try to sneak this through.” (50:50)

• Timeline: NDAA typically finalized by September, though leadership may push for an earlier vote.

Closing Thoughts on the Provision

• Sam:

  “Right now is the best shot they have to pass something like this because it definitely feels like in both parties the trend is away from this type of cooperation and support of Israel... The reason why you bury it in this way... is so that you don’t have to actually make it a political question anymore.” (50:19)

• Ben:

  “The Israel Lobby is really upset that we’ve made a stink of this, so let’s irritate him a little more.” (52:15)

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Additional Noteworthy Segments

Science & Health Policy Sidebar

(56:15–58:25)

• Sam and team riff on recent medical breakthroughs (cancer, mRNA, GLP-1 for diabetes), criticizing the U.S.’s reluctance to publicly fund or distribute medical innovations and the distortive impact of vaccine skepticism.

  “We’re literally living in an era where we have to argue about medicine being good.” (57:20)

Final Banter/Community Q&A

(Some lighthearted moments, inside jokes, podcast business, and thank-yous—not essential for synthesis.)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

Primary Elections Analysis:

• Dr. Hamawe’s Speech: 07:26–09:14
• New Jersey Analysis: 09:14–11:41
• Iowa/Montana/NM: 13:00–17:58
• California Races: 18:13–21:42
• Abdul El-Sayed Interview Clip: 25:25–27:55

Ben Freeman Interview (Israel-Pentagon Integration):

• Introduction: 37:38
• Basics of Current Aid: 37:38–38:46
• Shift to Pentagon Integration: 38:46–41:09
• Technical Details (data fusion, co-production): 41:09–45:17
• Comparison to Other Alliances: 45:57–47:55
• Process for Removing the Provision: 48:35–50:04
• Political/Maneuvering Context: 50:19–51:34

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Conclusion

This episode distills the latest primary results—spotlighting the few progressive triumphs and setbacks—while drilling deep into the quietly radical shift in U.S.-Israel policy working its way through Congress. Ben Freeman exposes how “embedding” aid to Israel into Pentagon operations risks unaccountable, open-ended spending and profound security ramifications. Listeners leave with both an understanding of the immediate electoral landscape and actionable insight into the behind-the-scenes mechanisms of foreign policy—and are reminded to pressure their representatives before the NDAA is finalized.

Transcript

[Sam Seder]

You are listening to a free version of the Majority Report. Support this [e-mail] and get an extra hour of content daily. The Majority Report with Sam Cedar. It is Wednesday, June 3rd, 2026. My name is Sam Seder. This is the five time award winning Majority Report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, usa. On the program today, Ben Freeman, author and director of the Democratizing Foreign Policy program at the Quincy Institute on the congressional attempt to hide aid to Israel in the future. Try and take it off of the political stage. But first, muted primary day for progressives elections across the country. To the extent that we know the results, California is going to take a while. Also on the program today, Iran fires missiles at Kuwait and Bahrain in retaliation to US Bombing. Meanwhile, Iran is letting friendly ships through the Strait of Hormuz. DHS secretary believes that following court orders apparently is optional. In an unsigned opinion, the Supreme Court okays Alabama's use of a congressional map previously found by a lower court to be intentionally racist. This court case is insane. Except for it's not a case, it's just an unsigned decision. DOJ investigating and folks, sit down for this one. The oppression of this man will never end. DOJ is investigating Jorge Santos for insider trading on Kalshee. He seemed like such a nice boy. New report. National Guard did not reduce violent crime in D.C. did have an impact on some opportunistic crime. So wouldn't I guess cameras on every block, doctors across us reporting an increase in childhood disease as vaccinations decline. Scott pelley, fired from 60 Minutes subsequently come out and told us what we all knew. The whole place has become just a political shop for the Zionist and right wing agenda. Todd Blanche says the slush fund is dead, but the Trump family will still get immunity from cheating on their taxes. In the wake of naming the completely unqualified Bill Pulte Director of National Intelligence, the Pentagon hires a 25 year old 1-6-er to a key counterterrorism position.

[Brian]

The youth is our future.

[Sam Seder]

All this and more. Although what could there be on today's Majority Report? Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. It is hump Day. Emma Vigelund out today. Nevertheless, we've licensed the phrase hump day from her. You weren't here when she coined that phrase.

[Brian]

No, but it's nice that she's getting paid on her day off.

[Sam Seder]

Exactly. That's the whole key, folks. Passive income. Henry wants to nominate yesterday's fun half for the best of we went pretty deep into the Dave Rubin stuff. I forgot about that. I put that out of my head. We will probably, you know, revisit Dave Ruben. Maybe not today, but I think in the coming days. I feel like we owe it to ourselves, I should say. The Daily Beast has an article. I haven't read it yet, but it says like something to the effect of perhaps the dumbest man on the Internet talking about Dave Rubin. People are making a big deal of the fact that when he was asked by name a single metric by which Donald Trump is the economy is doing better than it did under Joe Biden. Dave Rubin, I think they're starting to, they're investigating this, I believe had a stroke.

[Brian]

Well, you're clearly a foreign asset because we don't use the metric system in America.

[Sam Seder]

Exactly. Here it is. MAGA host mocked after failing to name any of Trump's achievements.

[Matt Leckie]

Ruined Rubin.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, now that Rubin gets wrecked on Trump economy. Is that actually from the Dave Rubin Show? Did he actually title it by himself or.

[Matt Leckie]

No, sorry. I think that's from Daily Beast editorializing.

[Sam Seder]

All right, let's, let's get into what happened across the country last night. Again, California, we only have some results in and to the extent that we do not necessarily stuff that we're going to be super psyched about again, at the end of the day, the most important thing in my estimation is that the Democrats take the House and the Senate. And progressives did fair last night. I would say fair to not so fair. But there wasn't necessarily huge races. Like we're not talking the difference between a Platner in a mills. We're not talking the difference between a Haley Stevens and an Abdul El said that's not what we're talking about. Congressional races come and go, although this one is pretty exciting. Dr. Adam Hamawe, who was on Hamui, who was on the program last week, Emma interviewed him, pulled out a, an impressive win in New Jersey. And here is his acceptance speech. And you understand this is a very blue district. So he's going to win this district.

[Dr. Adam Hamawe]

As a doctor, I see my patients struggling in the richest country in the history of the world just to be able to afford their health care. I met people every day drowning in medical debt because the billionaires and the insurance companies decided that we need to make profits over taking care of the sick. I became a doctor to take care of people and to save lives. But I end up spending half my time just fighting the insurance companies to be able to provide care. I knew that the system was broken, rigged and that it was serving only a few and not the many. And when I came back from Gaza, I went to the halls of Congress to share what I saw. But what I found is many doors that were closed in my face. People didn't even want to listen. And I realized that these doors weren't just close to me there, they were close to everyone for everything, unless you were one of the oligarch lobbyists with a check in your hands. So six months ago we launched this campaign. Almost no one thought that we were viable. No one thought we had a shot. Even those who call themselves progressives laughed us out of the room and they said that we didn't ask permission to run.

[Sam Seder]

So there it is. Maui in the New Jersey's 12th district wins. That's going to be a, that's a 60, essentially a 60 to 35, 37 district, Harris over Trump. So very likely, barring some bizarre catastrophe, he will be a sitting congressman increasing. I don't know if we still say the word squad anymore, but will certainly be of that ilk in the House to the left of even the Progressive Caucus. And that's good. And that's a district again, this locked in blue district. And so this is not a seat that will flip to Republicans anytime soon. And also in New Jersey, the other race I think that folks were keeping an eye on from a progressive standpoint. I don't know how close it was ever. But in New Jersey seventh, Rebecca Bennett won. She is a more the establishment candidate, I would say there this is an important district. It was 5048 Trump district. So essentially even and in this environment, very likely to flip to Democrats. And if you add to that context, the congressman Tom Keene Kane, who has been representing this district, son of the former governor there, has been AWOL for three months. The only contact anybody's had with him was he got on a phone call with a reporter and said, pray for me. I don't know what to say. He's apparently though he was trading. He was doing some day trading.

[Brian]

Is that what we're praying for?

[Sam Seder]

He may have been like, I should have never gone short on Nvidia or

[Brian]

something for China to land that Boeing deal.

[Sam Seder]

Exactly. So that's a potential pickup in New Jersey. The, I mean, there's a couple of districts in New Jersey. New Jersey's nine was a one point victory for Trump. So there's a very good shot there that the Democrat will win. It is, I guess, yeah, this is, I guess it was a former representative from New Jersey's 9th district, I believe. And that district just swung to Trump last election. And it's very likely going to go back to the Democrats moving from New Jersey West. I guess it would be. Iowa is next. I'm just trying to organize. There's a lot of stuff here. Turek, Josh Turek, who was the establishment pick as we talked to Daniel Nikanian yesterday, the difference in Turek, Josh Turek and Zach Wall's politics, not dramatically different. They're both pretty progressive. I think Walls, the difference would be Israel, frankly. I think Walls is more willing to call out Israel. Schumer never got explicitly involved in this, though it was clear that this is that Turek was his choice. Turk got $10 million from Vote Vets, which is, I don't want to say a cutout for the establishment Democrats, but certainly is aligned with them. This is an open seat. And there's some thinking that there's a chance in Iowa that we may see in Iowa, like the Democrat may win for governor there. And there's this chance that perhaps the Senate is in play. Joni Ernst has left the Senate. And you should all remember she was someone who got into the Senate by shooting a pig, if I'm not, or wrestling a pig in her ads and then firing off a, an ar15 maybe. I can't remember exactly.

[Matt Leckie]

Sounds about right.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah. So that's what's happening in Iowa. Zach Wallace will have a, I think a lot of future. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. Things got too weird for the senator who literally talked about wrestling a pig to get into the Senate with the Republican Party. Just sort of. She didn't leave the Republican Party. The Republican Party left her. If you keep going west from there, I don't know, Montana, New Mexico, the establishment. There was an attempt by some conservative Democrats in New Mexico to return. You'll recall that, David, that Nikanian had told us about, and they lost. So there's no resurgence of conservatism. There was, you know, success by establishment candidates, but again, they have a lot more money in Montana. We had talked about this weird dynamic where Jon Tester was promoting an independent and was supporting quietly a Democrat in the race who is expected to maybe drop out to clear the field for this independent. Very similar to what we see in Nebraska. And that Democrat won. So that's encouraging, really. I mean, I don't know if a Democrat's going to win in Montana or I should say an independent who would caucus with a Democrat in Montana. With the Democrats in Montana, however, if there's a better chance than not, which in this instance it is because that Democrat registered may drop out or at least be low key enough that it will help boost the independent. That means that the Republicans need to deploy money and resources there. So even in these states, I mean this is the whole point of the 50 state strategy. Even in these states where Democrats can't win or we think Democrats can't win and we really have no sense of what the sort of like trend is going to be six months from now based upon what could be oil shocks and inflation and etc. The more the chances increase, even if it goes from 20% chance to a 40% chance, that means that Republicans have to deploy their resources there and that helps in other areas where there is maybe a 45% chance or a 42% chance. So that's all good news. South Dakota, I didn't even look.

[Brian]

Toby Doden I believe beat Dusty Johnson for the Republican.

[Matt Leckie]

You're not making that up either?

[Brian]

No, I'm not.

[Matt Leckie]

In good forstatted Montana.

[Sam Seder]

In California, just wrapping up here you had Nancy Pelosi's seat and Sekat Chakrabadi Bharti was on this program months and months ago. He's coming in third as far as I can tell. Now again, you know California results aren't in but this is the California 11th. It looks like it's going to be Scott Wiener and Giraffe. The Giraffe. I'm not familiar with that but and Connie Chan, who I think Chan actually got Pelosi's endorsement. So progressive shut out there. But again, you know, Part of this is about Israel and frankly like this, the public opinion about Israel is going in one direction and I don't think it's going to change in California's 22nd where Democrats have a very good shot of picking up flipping a Trump seat. It looks like Randy Villegas is ahead. Randy was also on this program so it would be he against the Republican David Valadado or Dao, I can't pronounce his name. He has 45% the sitting Republican congressmen. Remember this is an open primary. Villegas has a 30 to 26 edge against Jasmeet Baines. That may have changed. I haven't seen the most recent numbers. That's with only 56% of the vote in. So that again that can change. But the point being that you really get a sense there's 56% for the Democrat and 45% for the Republican.

[Brian]

As of right now, Viegus is 29.8% to 25.7 for Jasmeet.

[Sam Seder]

Okay. So I mean, that's. Yeah. More or less there. Jimmy Gomez in California's 34th breezed into the general election. Everything else is sort of up in the air. In the governor's race, it is not settled, but it looks most likely that it's going to be Becerra versus the formerly British. I mean the immigrant, I guess Steve Hilton, the Fox News or one American. I don't know where he comes from. In the mayor's race, it looks like it's going to be Karen Bass against Spencer Pratt, who is the former T. Reality TV star. I don't, I'm not familiar with him either.

[Brian]

Come on, California.

[Sam Seder]

Well, this is no different.

[Brian]

Schwarzenegger was the governor.

[Sam Seder]

And Reagan.

[Brian]

And Reagan.

[Sam Seder]

Right. So that's basically where we are at this point. That's, you know, those are the big takeaways from, from this race, from this. So progressives got a couple. It looks like Viegas in California, Hoi in New Jersey. Mieha won her primary as well. I think that was sort of a foregone conclusion. And now on to next week is. What's that state? Maine. We will, we will get to that in a moment. Is he in? No. Oh, coming at 9:30, 12:30. Sorry. Well, we should, let's see. Do we have time for one? Let's. Yeah, let's just watch this with. I mean, we're starting to see this. There's a new poll that came out yesterday that's showing Abdul Al Said is pulling away. McMurray is dropping like a lead balloon and Haley Stevens is sort of hanging in there and it's becoming clearer and clearer that Said has the inside track in this Michigan Democratic primary. And you also, I think, I feel like there's. Over the past couple of weeks there has been. He has become more general election ready. Not necessarily by attacking to the middle, but there's just a level of polish on his campaigning that seems to have. He's upped his game a little bit. Confident here he is on Ms. Now or is this Ms. Now or is this. Yeah, yeah. Katie Turner. I didn't know if she was still on Ms. Now on Ms. Now. Katie Tur. Obviously it's hard to look people aren't responsible for their spouse's work. But also it's not like you're not influenced by your spouse. And Katie Terry's husband is Tony Duke Dukapliss. I can't remember, I don't know, pronounced Dokapal. Dokapal. And now, joke. Paul's former wife moved to Israel with the kids. It's true. And he, you know, his conversion to Judaism and his circumcision or the second circumcision, it's only two cuts. He wrote, he wrote out. But. And there is no zeal like that of the convert. But here's Katie Turr asking a question of Abdul Al Said. And I first heard him say this, and he may have been saying it on the, on the trail, I think during the, maybe a debate. But this is a great answer.

[Katie Turner]

Jewish population in Michigan and a lot of them, you know, feel uncomfortable in this moment about anti Semitism, about the way that campaigns sometimes speak about what is anti Semitism and what is not. What do you say to the Jewish community who you're going to want to vote for you, about your positions on Israel, on AIPAC funding, etc. And how they shouldn't feel alienated by a candidate like you?

[Sam Seder]

I just, I just, I want to hear him answer this. But I mean just if you think like if you spend some time, you know, and maybe it's the third or fourth time I've heard this question now it really occurs to me, Jewish, Jewish, Jewish, what do you think about Israel and aipac? I would love to see the polling of Jews and their relationship to aipac. I did not grow up with some affinity. My parents at Passover would talk about aipac as if, like this is in any way, this is a Jewish thing. It's just absurd. Good.

[Katie Turner]

By a candidate like you.

[Abdul Al Said]

Well, Katie, I'll tell you this. Nobody understands what it's like to be discriminated against for how you pray. Like someone who gets discriminated against for how we pray. And most of the time we don't ask how we pray. Most people are asking, what do you pray for? And I pray for peace and dignity and basic goodness for all of our kids, whether they're Jewish kids who are neighboring couple of houses down from me or my kids who are Muslim. And I'll tell you that it's really important for us to be able to differentiate between Judaism, the Jewish people, Jewish culture, Jewish contributions to this country which are vast, and AIPAC and Israel. Those are two different things. I, when I'm elected, will be the chief opposition to what the Egyptian government does. Now my family immigrated from Egypt. That doesn't make me anti Egyptian. That just means that I want my tax dollars to be spent here to, rather than sent over there to cement the chokehold of a military dictatorship on its own people. And I apply the same exact principles to Israel. I don't want my tax dollars being spent to backstop apartheid and genocide when they could be used to provide things like glasses or health care or schools for our own kids. And I worry that a lot of times people want to use the word anti Semitism to spread to defend a foreign government. And I think it's just really important for us to differentiate between those two because I, I don't want to be held accountable to what another government does simply because I share ethnicity with the people who live there. And I know the same for my Jewish sisters and brothers.

[Katie Turner]

You've got support of Bernie Sanders and a lot of other progressives in the caucus are my favorite Jewish uncle. There are more moderates in the Democratic Party who are, who are worried that if primary voters elect you in Michigan, they're going to lose that seat. I guess. How will you feel if you are elected? The general election happens and it goes to Mike Rogers.

[Abdul Al Said]

Well, we're going to do everything we can.

[Sam Seder]

I mean I can't even dignity dignify that with a response. First off, his answer there by talking about critiquing Egypt I think is brilliant. I think it's just brilliant. That is 10 of 10 answer. How are you going to feel if you lose knowing that there are some people who think that you're going to lose? You imagine that question having been asked of like Barack Obama when he was running for president.

[Brian]

Isn't that what a race is?

[Sam Seder]

I don't, it's just, it is just

[Matt Leckie]

also moderates don't have exactly a stellar record on a particular state level over the past 15 years.

[Sam Seder]

Exactly. My God, You just never hear that in any other context asking Wemby if

[Brian]

you guys lose the final.

[Sam Seder]

No, but I'm saying in politics.

[Brian]

No, I know, but just.

[Sam Seder]

It's just absurd.

[Brian]

It's a stupid question.

[Sam Seder]

It is. It's like a push poll. All right, in a moment we're going to be talking to Ben Freeman, author and director of the Democratizing Foreign Policy program at the Quincy Institute about new provision snuck into usually must pass legislation to change the dynamic of aid to Israel. First, a couple of words from our sponsors. This episode of the Majority Report brought to you by Wild Grain. What is Wild Grain? It is fantastic. Wild grain is the first baked from frozen subscription box for artisanal breads, seasonal pastries and fresh pastas. Unlike store bought options, Wild grain uses simple ingredients you can pronounce in a slow fermentation process that can be easier on your belly and richer Nutrients and antioxidants. There's no preservatives. Do you understand? All of the baked goods you buy in the supermarket have stuff, have preservatives. So it sits on the shelf for an extended period of time. There are no shortcuts. 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Want to welcome back to the program Ben Freeman, author and director of the Democratize Democratizing Foreign Policy Program at the Quincy Institute. And Ben, you have a piece up as of just a couple of days ago about Congress, Congress's attempt to integrate the US And Israeli militaries as a way of essentially sidestepping aid. This is based upon a report that I know that you, you help work on by a colleague of yours at the Quincy Institute, Steve Simon, that he wrote a couple of days earlier entitled the Disappearing Aid Check. Let's start with like, what, what is the nature of the aid that we give Israel today?

[Ben Freeman]

Yeah, yeah. Thanks, Sam, and thanks for having me back. Always great to talk with you. The nature of the Israel aid package today, it falls under what's called a memorandum of understanding, where we basically agree to Send Israel almost $4 billion of military assistance every year. Now, a big chunk of that comes right back to the U.S. you know, they're required to buy stuff from U.S. defense contractors. But besides Wilson, hundreds of millions of dollars stays in Israel and helps to is effectively a subsidy for their defense industry there. Now, the key to the aid model is there's congressional oversight of it. Every year, you know, there's a vote on this aid package. Members of Congress upset with Israel can potentially hold it up, can potentially attempt to block all of it.

[Sam Seder]

And we should just add to that, like, I mean, so necessarily. It's also, there's not a direct public control over it, but it is transparent enough so that we have a say at least in that public opinions against Israel that's going to impact the behavior of our congresspeople.

[Ben Freeman]

That's exactly right. And critically, the public can get involved, they can yell at their member of Congress to block the aid package, to hold it up because they're upset and they can do it before the aid goes out under this new model that we just learned a couple hours ago. Breaking news on this is that Netanyahu himself came up with this initiative. There's a resolution that was just introduced in the House that says it gives Netanyahu himself credit for initiating this. What this does is it takes all of that, the openness of it, and it puts it into this defense integration model which would effectively try and merge to a very significant extent, the Israeli military industrial complex within the US Military industrial complex. And what that means for transparency is, you know, all that stuff about calling your member of Congress, that won't work anymore. You know, Congress is not going to have a say in this. This is going to be within The Department of Defense, the Pentagon bureaucracy is going to handle all of this merger with the Israeli military.

[Sam Seder]

Okay, so walk us through how this happens because Congress doesn't have a, like a line item veto of the Pentagon's budget. Right. Like they get the way that they vote on national defense is through one big NDA essentially, which is like authorizes, it's a budget for the military, but it's so vast that you can stick a bunch of stuff in there. And it's tough if you vote against it. I mean, it's not that tough, but it's tough for it's designed in a way to essentially almost like blackmail, maybe a strong word. But congressional leaders, because inevitably there's something coming to their district from that bill or they're going to be attacked as being, you know, you want our troops to have no, no guns or something like that. So how do they integrate it? I mean, it's not, they're not literally integrating the militaries, but they're integrating the whole procurement process, the funding process. What is it?

[Ben Freeman]

Yeah, yeah, it's exactly right. I mean, in the bill we're talking about here, it is the National Defense Authorization act, but it's the Defense Policy Bill. You this is must pass legislation every year. It's over 500 pages this year. And what we're talking about, what was snuck in here for Israel is just four pages of this. But what this does, it's very much a trojan horse. And it, it proposes co production, licensing agreements. It proposes effectively merging the, the Israeli military sector, their military industrial sector with the US military sector. And it does it across several domains. Bas battlefield of the future, you can think of AI, cyber energy, weapons, you know, you name it, drones, missile defense, and on and on. It proposes that across all these different fields that we start working with Israel directly. US Defense firms start working with Israeli firms directly. And it also has two key phrases that I think are particularly troubling. There's our network integration and data fusion. And now talking to cybersecurity experts about this, they have told me that that effectively means we are going to embed our military's data with Israel's data. And that's just a process you can't unwind. You can't just say it's like, oh, okay, you know, our datas are connected now and you know, if Israel does something bad, we're going to turn the switch off and do it. You know, according to cybersecurity experts, you know, that's just impossible in some cases. Or it could take Years in other cases.

[Sam Seder]

And so how do they get the money? So these things are integrated. If we, is the idea if, like we give money for Boeing to develop a fighter jet or something. Israel's defense industry is. Also has part of that contract. I mean, how would it work in practice?

[Ben Freeman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've kind of laid out at least one of the cases there where we would see, you'd see, you know, we have a historic level of Defense Department funding already. You know, my colleague Bill Hartsuk and I just wrote the Trillion Dollar war machine. And now Trump's asking for a $1.5 trillion Pentagon budget. You know, so there's an enormous piggy bank there. What this would do is allow Israel to get direct access to all of those Pentagon contracting dollars. And so they would work with the Boeings of the world. They'd work with the Raytheons, the RT, RTXs, a lot of defense tech startups. And so really, it's another big distinction with the aid model. The aid model was capped at that, you know, 3.8, 3.9 billion figure. This model would be limitless. You know, in the past few years, we've had a majority of the Pentagon budget, hundreds of billions, billions of dollars going to defense contractors. This would allow Israel to get a huge chunk of that pie. So it's not clear exactly how much we're talking here, but I think it's fair to say would be significantly more US Taxpayer dollars going to Israel and Israeli firms under this new model than under the military assistance model.

[Sam Seder]

So would it be something like, okay, Boeing's getting this $10 billion? I don't know. It's probably more $10 billion contract to build this helicopter, attack helicopter or drone or so. And. But they're subcontracting out the radar aspect of it or the weapons aspect of it, and they'll go to an Israeli company, they'll develop it, and it'll be sort of like jointly owned, I guess, the technology. And then it's just a question of Israel. We'll take five of those. That. And we've got. The money has come through this company that is partly Israeli owned by the government. Even conceivably, I mean, is that essentially it like, we're just going to be. It's, it's crazy.

[Ben Freeman]

It's crazy. And it's really at every level of the system too. You know, the, the bill specifies, you know, all the way down to, you know, the research and design phase of process R and D. They want our defense industrial complex collaborating with Theirs all the way up to kind of the end case you're talking about where we've worked together to create some new fantastic weapon together and we're jointly co producing that it's called. So the bill doesn't pull any punches. It says at every point in this process, this bill wants us working directly with Israel's military industrial complex.

[Sam Seder]

Is there anything, any relationship that we have that's even analogous to this? Because I mean, just, it's hard for me to imagine wanting to do this with such, without any type of limiting principle, which there doesn't seem to be one in this. From a national security standpoint. I wouldn't want to necessarily do this with anybody. I mean, aside from like the issues of the genocide, the apartheid, the problematic nature of Israel, I don't know if I'd want to even do this necessarily with Canada because it's just a national security question. You can't control the back door of this. You don't have any way of policing even where that technology goes after it gets shared.

[Ben Freeman]

Right, right. I mean, if you take the word Israel out of this conversation and you just say, would you want to merge the US Military with any foreign military, Would you want to give them the keys to the Pentagon? I think everybody says no, you know, you know, that's not something we want to do. And to your question, Sam, of what's analogous to this, you know, there are some parts of our cooperation with other countries, you know, NATO, our Aukus relationship with the UK and Australia that contain parts of this. But I think arguably there is nothing that would rise to the level of the integration that we're proposing with Israel because it includes everything. Intelligence, again, data fusion. You're talking about integrating networks together. We just don't do that with anybody else, even our most trusted partners. And so why would we do that with Israel right now when we just learned that the President of the United States called Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu effing crazy on a call this week, and yet we're going to get more entwined with Israel than we ever have.

[Sam Seder]

I'm a little skeptical, I should just say I'm a little skeptical of stories like that after hearing them from the Biden administration. Because all we know, it could have been like, you're effing crazy in the way that somebody would talk about last night. I can't believe this guy was dancing on the bar. And it's fantastic. That's why I love you, brother. But, but. So, okay, do we know how these four pages got in this is the 2027 NDAA. A When does that come up for a vote? Do we know how those four pages got in there? And do we know how those four pages can get out?

[Ben Freeman]

Yeah, I mean, a couple ways they got in. You know, this is from the chairman's mark, not to get too nerdy, but this is the chairman's mark of the NDA. So this is basically the chairman Rogers, he puts this out, and then tomorrow our timing is impeccable with this conversation. On Thursday, there's a markup of this bill. So we're going to get to vote. Members of the House Foreign Services Committee are going to get to vote on amendments to this. And we've already heard directly from Ro Khan. He's publicly announced this on social media that he's going to introduce an amendment to strip this out of the ndaa. And now if that gets knocked out, if that doesn't succeed, Thomas Massie has already publicly said he's going to introduce an amendment in the full House when it comes there to strip it out of there. And we're going to have folks on the Senate side. This is going to come up in the Senate too. So we're going to have one battle after another here. But the big, big fight, first fight at least is going to be in the House Armed Services Committee tomorrow. So, you know, call your members of Congress, if they're on House, please tell them to support Conor's amendment. Let's get this stripped out of there before it starts.

[Sam Seder]

And this, this feels like a provision that is just going to keep coming back and coming back each year until they can figure out a way of getting it through. But I would imagine today in this version, and this is something they're planning for what, like, September vote? And is that where they're aiming for in terms of, like, when this would actually get to the floor?

[Ben Freeman]

Likely. Likely. September. They have more ambition, ambitious plans on that to get it done this summer. But, you know, realistically, Congress makes plans and then goes on vacation. So, you know, September is probably a more realistic timeline for final finalization of all this.

[Sam Seder]

I got to imagine that right now is the best shot they have to pass something like this because it definitely feels like in both parties, the trend is away from this type of cooperation and support of Israel. I mean, it's indicative of that fact, though, isn't it? Like, the reason why you bury it in this way, as opposed to do aid is so that you don't have to actually make it a political question anymore.

[Ben Freeman]

Right? I think that's exactly right. This is a strategic move from Netanyahu and the Israel Lobby. You know, they know that, you know, they're reading the tea leaves, they're reading the polls and seeing this unprecedented level of public distrust in Netanyahu's government. And so they know that this aid is going to be under more pressure than it ever has been before. So they're doing what a lot of folks do in Washington. If you can't win the public fight, take it privately. You know, use your lobbyists, use your special interest to try to sneak this through. And I think that's why it's important right now for the public to really jump up and tell them how concerned they are about US Israel and military cooperation and tell your member of Congress not to vote for this.

[Sam Seder]

All right, well, Brian will put a list of congresspeople, Republican and Democrat, because I think even in the Republican Party, they're starting to get some pressure, at least from younger voters about this. And we'll put it in the podcast and YouTube description, a list of those people and maybe the general hotline to Congress so that people can just voices, because they don't, I would imagine they don't get a lot of feedback at this, at this point when things are going into markup and the Armed Services Committee. And so every little bit helps.

[Ben Freeman]

The Israel Lobby is really upset that we've made a stink of this, so let's irritate him a little more.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think you guys are probably on their, their, their list of favorite people. Ben Freeman, the book is the Trillion Dollar War Machine, How Runaway Military Spending Drives America Into Foreign wars and Bankrupts Us At Home. And the piece is the US And Israeli Militaries. Congress Quietly Moves to Integrate US And Israeli Militaries. We'll put a link to that and to the Steve Simon brief as well. And again, we'll put a list of the members of the Armed Service Committee. Call your Congress people there and then just call your Congress people and tell them to support an amendment to strip this out if it actually makes it out of committee. Ben Freeman, again, thanks so much for your time today. Really appreciate it.

[Ben Freeman]

Always a pleasure, Sam. Thank you.

[Sam Seder]

All right, folks, that does it for us today, at least in the free part of the program. We've got a lot of stuff to get to in the front half today. Can you ask Ben where he got his bookshelf? Great interview, by the way, says Pope X Galactic Nurse Boogers. You're effing crazy. I can't believe you killed hundreds of thousands of people, including medical professionals, press, women and children in targeted strikes. That's why I love you, brother. Trump to Netanyahu. This is an update on the Montana Senate. Bankhead saying she has no intention of dropping out. You may want to give it a day or two. We'll see. She might not. And also it could be a negotiation ploy, but that she is the one that Tester supported. So presumably he knows something. Maybe he thinks that he she wouldn't siphon votes off of the independent. Maybe she runs on the Republican platform. Who knows? Reese from Tacoma says if you could confirm there was more Dave Rubin clowning in the fun half, I'd Bet you get 300 new subscribers. Maybe what we'll do is we will have a subscriber drive. Like if we get, I don't know,

[Matt Leckie]

every new 100 twitch subs, we do five minutes of Dave Rubin.

[Sam Seder]

Oh, my God. I would do. I would do five minutes of Dave Rubin for 50 new Twitch subs.

[Brian]

We're at 127198, 127 190.

[Matt Leckie]

Well, that's followers.

[Sam Seder]

That's followers. Oh, you're saying.

[Matt Leckie]

I wish we had that many paid subs would be like a song or something.

[Brian]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Leckie]

Where do you see that flying jetpacks around?

[Sam Seder]

I don't know.

[Matt Leckie]

We'll keep an eye on it though. But

[Sam Seder]

Mr. Mr. Fun, today is my grandmother's 90th birthday. Can she get a master Yoda orgasm?

[Matt Leckie]

Coming right up.

[Sam Seder]

So the show has gone so downhill.

[Brian]

Happy birthday.

[Sam Seder]

Happy birthday, grandma.

[Brian]

Feel just like Al Roker.

[Sam Seder]

It's your. I actually got my uncle Saul, who Saul was named after on his 104th birthday or 100th birthday. On Al Roker. Yep.

[Brian]

You're gonna live forever, aren't you?

[Sam Seder]

Me, I don't know if I will

[Brian]

get some good genes.

[Sam Seder]

We're gonna. We gotta do a couple of guests on this. But before I go, like, in the past like two weeks, there has been incredible medical breakthroughs on cancer. Largely mRNA, I'm assuming another country. Is this research? No, no. I mean, oddly enough.

[Matt Leckie]

Trying to save me from cancer.

[Sam Seder]

Oddly enough, I'm not exactly sure. But. But like major, major cancer breakthroughs. Breakthroughs in arterial disease. Is that what you call it? Like to lower your glp? I. I don't. Not your. To lower your end. There's new GLP ones that are coming out that are supposedly also like, very helpful in terms of longevity and whatnot. Just in the past week now, of course all of those people are probably like leaving the United States, right?

[Ben Freeman]

Yeah.

[Matt Leckie]

Or it'll be a really expensive subscription service by a private company that.

[Sam Seder]

Yeah, one of them is for type 1 diabetes. We got to get somebody on to talk about this because we're literally living in an era where we have to argue about medicine being good.

[Matt Leckie]

Well, you know, my conspiracy theory about the anti vaxxers was like, they were, some of them maybe even with elites secretly knowing that they were helping protect that as a private asset for companies. Even though it was publicly developed, things like mRNA, even though we should keep those types of things in a more public sphere. When you create this sort of like insanity that says actually they want to kill us and make us die earlier. And suddenly by.

[Sam Seder]

It's that much harder for the government to. I mean to argue that we should

[Matt Leckie]

be taking a stewardship role in this and be spreading it and making it available to people.

[Sam Seder]

I will say that the argument was like the real question when that, when the vaccine was rolled out was like, hey, wait a second, why isn't this free?

[Matt Leckie]

Yep.

[Sam Seder]

Or why, why didn't we retain the patent? Like, why don't we have a. Why couldn't we go in and say to a company like, you know the one that paired with Pfizer from Germany on their COVID vaccine. I can't remember the name. They're a smaller company. They, they, they. No, I can't remember. But they, they partner with Pfizer because Pfizer has all the cash. But you know who else has the cash? We have the cash. And so why can't we go out and contract a pharmaceutical company to develop stuff for us? Yeah, it was Biontech. Now they're German company. But I'm saying, I'm sure we have analogous ones in this country. Why can't the U.S. government go in and go like, oh, you need $3 billion to develop this very quickly. Here's $3 billion. In fact, here's 3.2. You keep the 2, use the 3 billion. The 2 is your profit. Use the 3 billion to develop it. And then guess what, we own it. And then the cost of it is 0 or 2 bucks a person because we got to pay for the refrigeration or whatever it is. That conversation went away very quickly when it was like, it's dangerous. It's not effective. It's not doing anything. And then of course, it just creates like the entire frankly conservative movement. Right. 25 years ago, they're like, oh, we're going to use the racism. We're going to use the conspiracy but that's for the rubes. Yeah, that just gives us control. And then 20 years later it's like oh you guys, you guys are gone now. You guys are dinosaurs. The whole party's become what you created because you created Frankenstein and now Frankenstein is chasing the doctor around. You know, Frankenstein has the pitchfork.

[Matt Leckie]

I mean it's just interesting how a guy like Jay Bet Acharya who is the anti vaxxers favorite at the Brownstone Institute goes on all these podcasts talk about how bad lockdowns were and now is CDC and NIH director

[Sam Seder]

and I mean what do we think he's doing there?

[Matt Leckie]

He's making America healthy again.

[Sam Seder]

CDC had to ask for volunteers to go do the Ebola screening at the

[Matt Leckie]

start of COVID Jay Betachary.

[Sam Seder]

I wouldn't worry about it.

[Matt Leckie]

He wrote a thing you probably only

[Sam Seder]

two or three days training to make sure that you don't spread Ebola. Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it.

[Matt Leckie]

But the case against Medicare for all is what he wrote in the 2020 so. But it was nice to see a bunch of leftists anti vax idiots platform him and now he's running the CDC and nih. Great job guys.

[Sam Seder]

Oh yeah, we've got a good clip of Dr. Oz figuring out what insurance is

[Matt Leckie]

like crude to say

[Sam Seder]

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[Matt Leckie]

Yeah, I had a Freddy G comedian and leftist on who does work with like track APAC does a bunch of really good vertical video stuff on Instagram and Tick tock had him on left reckoning. Talk about New York politics. David Griscom and I also talked about Norm Finkelstein upset in a lot of the red brown type Tucker Carlson fluffers that.

[Sam Seder]

Oh yeah, we should play that clip.

[Brian]

Yeah, it's been requested by Emma for me to save it for tomorrow.

[Sam Seder]

Are you serious? Maybe we save it.

[Matt Leckie]

You guys can both get get the.

[Sam Seder]

She did that surreptitiously. That's why I wasn't on the list yesterday.

[Brian]

No, that was just my fault. That was purely just skipped over it on accident.

[Sam Seder]

I like how she asked like Ryan's

[Matt Leckie]

falling on a sword.

[Sam Seder]

She asked you. She asked you when I wasn't around.

[Brian]

I truly did skip it Yesterday on accident.

[Matt Leckie]

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[Sam Seder]

Quick break. Fun half. Three months from now, six months from now, nine months from now. And I don't think it's going to be the same as it looks like in six months from now. And I don't know if it's necessarily going to be better six months from now than it is three months from now. But I think around 18 months out, we're gonna look back and go like, wow.

[Matt Leckie]

What?

[Sam Seder]

What is that going on? It's nuts. Wait a second. Hold on. Hold on for a second. Emma. Welcome to the program. What is up, everyone? Fun pack.

[Brian]

No.

[Sam Seder]

Mickey, you did it. Fun hat. Let's go, Brandon. Let's go, Brandon. Fun hat. Bradley, you want to say hello? Sorry to disappoint everyone. I'm just a random guy. It's all the boys today.

[Katie Turner]

Fundamentally false.

[Sam Seder]

No. I'm sorry. Women. Stop talking for a second and let me finish. Where is this coming from? Dude? But. Dude, you want to smoke this? 7A. Yes. Hi, it's me. Is me. Yes. Is this me? Is it me? It is you. Is this me? Oh, it's me. I think it is you. Who is you. No sound every single freaking day. What's on your mind? Sports. We can discuss freaking markets. And we can discuss capitalism. I'm gonna go libertarians. They're so stupid. Though common sense says of course. Gobbledygook. We nailed him. So what's 79 plus 21? Challenge. Man.

[Abdul Al Said]

I'm positively quivering.

[Sam Seder]

I believe 96. I want to say. 8572-103550-11138. 911.

[Matt Leckie]

For instance.

[Sam Seder]

$3,400. $1900. 5 for $3 trillion. Sold. It's a zero sum game. Actually. You're making me think less of. But. But let me say this poop. You call it satire. Sam goes satire.

[Ben Freeman]

On top of it all.

[Katie Turner]

My favorite part about you is just like every day, all day. Like everything you do.

[Sam Seder]

Without a doubt. Hey, buddy. We see you. All right, folks. Folks, Folks, folks. It's just the week being weeded out. Obviously. Yeah. Sun's out, guns out. I. I don't know. But you should know people just don't

[Matt Leckie]

like to entertain ideas anymore.

[Sam Seder]

I have a question. Who cares?

[Ben Freeman]

Our chat is enabled.

[Sam Seder]

Folks. I love it. I do love that look. Gotta jump. Gotta be quick. I gotta jump. I'm losing it, bro. Two o'. Clock. We're already late. And the guy's being a dick. So screw him. Sent to a gulag. Outrageous. Like, what is wrong with you? Love you. Bye. Love you. Bye. Bye.