The Majority Report with Sam Seder

Best of 2025: Trump's End-Times Fascism w/ Naomi Klein
Episode Date: January 1, 2026
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Episode Overview

This episode features a highlight from The Majority Report’s “Best of 2025”—a wide-ranging, in-depth interview with best-selling author and activist Naomi Klein, co-author (with Astra Taylor) of the influential Guardian article, "The Rise of End Times Fascism." The conversation, led by Emma Viglin, explores the contemporary evolution of right-wing politics under the resurgence of Trump, the blending of disaster capitalism, tech oligarchy, and apocalyptic narratives, and the profound threats to democracy and the planet. The show’s latter portion includes banter and commentary on Eric Weinstein’s public scientific feud, and Sam Seder’s recent appearance on Patrick Bet-David’s show (Valuetainment), where he debunks right-wing immigration myths.

The episode is rich in irreverent humor and clear-eyed political analysis, maintaining the show's signature mix of accessible insight, leftist perspective, and sharp, candid exchanges.

Key Interview: Naomi Klein on “End Times Fascism”

(Start: 08:09)

Background & Framing

• Naomi Klein discusses her Guardian piece, “The Rise of End Times Fascism,” co-written with Astra Taylor.
• The discussion builds on her body of work, such as The Shock Doctrine, but notes key differences in today’s political moment.

Evolution of Disaster Capitalism

• Klein notes that while her concept of the “Shock Doctrine” (governments and elites exploiting crises to impose regressive policies) remains relevant, the Trump era is marked by a more aggressive, premeditated manufacture of crisis.
• Naomi Klein [09:27]:
  “Honestly, I’d rather it be another book than this particular book. I’d love for The Shock Doctrine to go out of print and no longer be relevant…but the book describes a particular strategy that is very popular for the right globally, which is trying to throw so much at the public in a time of crisis that our minds get scrambled, we lose our narrative.”
• She warns about the limits of looking only to history—arguing today’s cumulative crises and far-right strategies also differ in critical new ways.

AI, Privatization, and Capitalist “Preppers”

• Trump's team is “openly creating shocks and vulnerabilities” to exploit.
• The Trump administration’s aggressive use of AI and its privatization agenda are compared to previous historic “technocrat” takeovers after crises (e.g., the “Chicago Boys” in Pinochet’s Chile, “Harvard Boys” in post-Soviet Russia).
• “When they’re talking about an AI-first strategy for the federal government, basically replacing many of those federal workers with bots...these should be seen in the lineage of wholly unqualified young men who have run roughshod over governments.” — Naomi Klein [10:41]
• AI’s environmental impact (“a vampiric technology”) is highlighted:
  • Massive energy/water use
  • Schmidt and Silicon Valley’s “build back better” campaigns utilize bipartisan alliances, not just Trump’s Republican base.
• “This is really a vampiric technology...it builds this mirror world by draining our world of what we need to live.” — Naomi Klein [16:25]

The “Network State,” Bunker Capitalism, and Tech Utopianism

• Klein explores the convergence of libertarian tech billionaires’ “network state” dreams (Peter Thiel, Patrie Friedman, seasteading) with apocalyptic prepper fantasies of the religious and nationalist right.
• “They want luxury lives serviced by machines and indentured servants with absolutely no rights...all of this foresees collapse, and it’s being dreamed by the very people who are accelerating the collapse.” — Naomi Klein [26:18]
• This “bunker state” mentality connects market libertarianism, AI accelerationism, and climate collapse denial/acceleration.

Overlap of Apocalyptic Narratives: Religion, Tech & Nationalism

• “End times fascism” refers to the blending of religious rapture narratives, tech billionaire “escape hatches,” and Fortress America nationalism.
• These actors are “giving up on the future” for the many as they plan their own exit strategies—whether spiritual, technological, or geographic.
• “All of them are within this apocalyptic narrative. They are…treasonous, really. I’ve never used the word ‘treason’ before…to this world.” — Naomi Klein [35:56]
• Emma Viglin [31:00]:
  “It is actually the same thing—it’s just a different letter in front of fascism or a different word in front of fascism.”
• Klein emphasizes the need for the left to create counter-myths, countering nihilistic right-wing apocalyptic ideology with stories rooted in humanism, environmental stewardship, and collective struggle.
• “We need our own myths. We need our own transcendent stories. And I think the Left, at its best, has been able to do that.... We are the people who are faithful. We are committed to staying.” — Naomi Klein [36:56]

Building a Broad-Based Coalition

• Despite the grim scenario, Klein sees potential in the clarifying effect Trump-era accelerationism provides:
  • The stakes are “life or death.”
  • There is an opening to build broader coalitions opposed to the “machine” agenda, including disaffected elements of Trump’s own base.

Memorable Quotes

• Naomi Klein [16:25]:
  “What worries me most immediately about AI is that this is really a vampiric technology...it devours energy on such a huge scale.”
• Emma Viglin [31:51]:
  “It is actually the same thing—it’s just a different letter in front of fascism or a different word in front of fascism.”
• Naomi Klein [35:56]:
  “They are treasonous—to humanity? Yeah, yeah…to this world. Not just humanity. Like, to creation.”
• Naomi Klein [36:56]:
  “We need our own myths. We need our own transcendent stories. And I think the Left, at its best, has been able to do that.... We are the people who are faithful. We are committed to staying.”

Additional Segments

1. Weinstein vs. Carroll: Science Feud Breakdown

(From ~39:09 - 55:11)

• The hosts share and riff on a viral Piers Morgan segment where self-proclaimed outsider physicist Eric Weinstein is harshly critiqued by physicist Sean Carroll.
• Carroll details why Weinstein’s "Geometric Unity" lacks scientific rigor and is not taken seriously in the field.
  • “It is 100% possible to have a good idea and have it have an impact on what physicists do. But it’s not easy.” — Sean Carroll [42:34]
  • “Eric’s paper has none of that.” — Sean Carroll [43:49]
• Weinstein’s angry rejoinders and accusations of a “distributed idea suppression complex” (DISC) are lampooned by the hosts.
• Sam Seder and crew hilariously analyze Weinstein’s failure to meet scientific standards, poking fun at his ego and lack of transparency, ultimately likening his position to an undergraduate ignoring an assignment prompt.

2. Sam Seder vs. Valuetainment Panel: Immigration Myths Exposed

(From ~62:46)

• Seder recounts his recent appearance on Patrick Bet-David’s “Valuetainment” podcast, where he squared off against right-leaning hosts pushing disinformation about immigration and Social Security numbers.
• Key points:
  • Right-wing myth: “2 million+ Social Security numbers given to non-citizens means mass voter fraud or illegal immigrants getting benefits.”
  • Seder fact-check:
    • All recipients are legal immigrants—green card holders, temporary protected status, etc.
    • The program began under Trump (EBE program, 2017).
    • Non-citizens cannot vote; Social Security cards are for tax purposes.
    • Immigrants pay into the Social Security system, often without ever receiving benefits.
  • “They’re here legally. They’re paying into the system, and most will never get the benefits...but they [the PBD hosts] keep calling them ‘illegals’ and implying it’s some kind of conspiracy.” — Sam Seder [70:54, condensed]
• Seder describes the studio dynamics—the hosts talking over him, refusing to correct each other, and relying on real-time Googling.
• The segment highlights the persistence of anti-immigrant sentiment even among those who are themselves immigrants, and the willingness of right-wing media figures to spread misleading narratives.

3. Tariff Policy, Trump’s Economy, and Left Populism

(Throughout, especially 96:24 – 105:33)

• Seder and co-hosts discuss the economic consequences of Trump’s tariff proposals and the mythology around American manufacturing revival.
  • They explain tariffs are a regressive tax—hurting the working class more than elites.
  • Without larger industrial policies (e.g., the CHIPS Act model), tariffs alone achieve little except economic pain and inflation.
• Klein’s argument about the “shock doctrine” nature of such moves is echoed in this economic analysis.

Notable Episode Quotes & Timestamps

• Naomi Klein [16:25]:
  “...AI is really a vampiric technology...devours energy on such a huge scale.”
• Naomi Klein [26:18]:
  “All of this foresees collapse, and it’s being dreamed by the very people who are accelerating the collapse.”
• Emma Viglin [31:51]:
  “It is actually the same thing—it’s just a different letter in front of fascism or a different word in front of fascism.”
• Naomi Klein [35:56]:
  “They are treasonous—...to humanity? Yeah, yeah. To this world. Not just humanity. Like, to creation.”
• Sam Seder [70:54, condensed]:
  “They’re here legally. They’re paying into the system, and most will never get the benefits...but they [the PBD hosts] keep calling them ‘illegals’ and implying it’s some kind of conspiracy.”
• Sean Carroll [42:34]:
  “It is 100% possible to have a good idea and have it have an impact on what physicists do. But it’s not easy.”

Memorable Moments

• Klein’s elaboration on why current right-wing “apocalypse prep” is “bunker capitalism,” connecting libertarian fantasy, privatization, and nativist nationalism ([23:01]–[29:45]).
• Seder’s blow-by-blow dissection of the Valuetainment panel's misinformation, highlighting the gulf between right-wing rhetoric and policy reality ([62:46]–[85:09]).
• The panel’s gleeful, extended evisceration of Eric Weinstein’s scientific self-mythology, with hosts embracing their outsider status while lampooning “DISC” paranoia ([39:09]–[55:11]).

Structure

• Introduction and Banter
• Main Interview: Naomi Klein on “End Times Fascism” (08:09–38:42)
• Science Feud Recap: Weinstein vs. Carroll (39:09–55:11)
• Seder on Valuetainment: Immigration Myths Debunked (62:46–85:09)
• Economic Policy Analysis: Tariffs and Shock Doctrine (96:24–105:33)
• Listener Interaction & Wrap-up

Tone & Style

• Irreverent, insightful, sharply critical—humor and accessibility mingled with clear progressive analysis and historical perspective.
• Direct language, candid reflections, and a deep skepticism of right-wing and establishment myths.

For Listeners New & Returning

This episode is essential listening for those seeking to understand the connections between right-wing techno-libertarianism, disaster capitalism, climate acceleration, and the rise of “end times” narratives in American (and global) politics. It’s also a showcase of The Majority Report’s commitment to pushing back against misinformation—whether on national TV or in viral podcast showdowns—always with facts, historical context, and plenty of wit.